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But I guess I should probably introduce the show.

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So we just jumped in. that's okay now i'll take

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it um so i'm travis and this is bestie approved

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i'm obviously here without emma because she literally

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just had her baby um so that's super fun and

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exciting and he's happy he's healthy he's perfect

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and he's adorable um but i actually have two

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new podcast friends here uh david and lisa from

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outrage overload and i Would love for you guys

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to introduce yourselves and tell us a little

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bit about yourselves. Well, I'm Lisa. I've been

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a David Beckmeyer wrangler for more years than

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I'd like to count. But we started our show because

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we were not having any time to talk to each other.

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So we started saying, let's start talking. Make

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this time. We're going to talk what's going on.

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And if someone listens, fine. Great. I love that.

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Yeah. So I'm David Beckmeyer. So, yeah. So the

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show that Lisa and I do together is called This

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Week in Outrage. The overall kind of media empire,

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if you will, is called Outrage Overload. And

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our sort of serious show there that's a Connors

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Institute podcast is called Outrage Overload.

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And that's the one that. Where I interview like

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scientists and like a serious thing, it's the

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opposite of what we're doing tonight. I interview

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scientists and researchers and practitioners

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and stuff like that. And we talk about sort of

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toxic polarization and bridge building and kind

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of rebuilding our divides and things like that.

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That's awesome. That's awesome. And so when you

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reached out to me originally, I think the way

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you kind of introduced yourself was like you're

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trying to find some middle ground. And I think

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right now that's. really, really, really what

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this country needs. So I guess what sparked the,

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the, like that idea, I guess. Yeah. I mean, I

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think you hear it from a lot of people. If you

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go and talk, talk out there to folks that a lot

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of people are, you know, just at their kind of

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wits end of of of this kind of anger like there's

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this idea of it was a bunch of research on it

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um hidden tribes i did some research and kind

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of came out with this idea of a exhausted majority

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where like a lot of people are kind of over it

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with the two parties fighting all the time and

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and kind of not really giving us great options

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you know when that comes up and so there's you

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know there's this huge majority of people that

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really don't like either party don't really like

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the options they don't like the vitriol they

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don't like the anger and the fighting all the

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time but they But you don't know that they're

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a majority because their voices have sort of

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been silenced by these louder voices that really

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give this perception that everybody is angry

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all the time and isn't ready for a conversation

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and all this kind of stuff. And those people

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are out there. Yeah, they exist. I'm not saying

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that's – it's naive to say they don't exist.

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But it's a misperception to think that's how

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everybody is. Once you actually meet real people,

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they have a lot more. gray like this not that

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sort of i guess red and blue versus black and

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white it's not that clear cut that you're either

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in that bucket or that bucket people are kind

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of thinking about this different ways but there's

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all these kind of incentives to drive us into

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this thinking that the other people are terrible

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and and you know and then once you get that in

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your head because we kind of live in our bubbles

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and all that then you just think there's no one

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out there that on the other side that i that

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i can talk to and they're worse it's so it's

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not my fault it's their fault you know and we

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just keep it it's just like a spiral downwards

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as you get that kind of mindset going it gets

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worse and worse so i was living in that like

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everybody else right i was out there getting

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twitter fights you know and then and you know

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and i was caught in it i was watching the news

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and it was getting me mad all the time and and

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that was like that was like the trigger of like

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the or the signal that like this is really isn't

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right they're just trying to make me mad all

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the time it's working I'm just mad all the time.

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I'm sitting on the couch yelling. I can't do

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anything sitting on the couch yelling, right?

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So that's kind of where I'm kind of a science

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nerd and a science geek. So maybe there's other

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people like me that would like to kind of research

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some of this and see what's out there. So I don't

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want to do my own research. I'm going to go talk

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to the people that do the research, right? So

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that's kind of what I thought is an interesting

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way to do it. And I thought a podcast was a –

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was a good way to do that because you go a little

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deeper right kind of more than a two minute segment

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we can talk to somebody for a little bit longer

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and go a little deeper and i could so my role

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is kind of this guide to kind of bring the researchers

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that are doing the work and then bring them on

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and let them present and talk about it but make

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it accessible to you know just anybody that's

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kind of science curious you don't have to be

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a full -on math geek and this kind of stuff you

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don't have to know the ways that you do statistics

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and things like that you just kind of have have

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some logic and reason and be interested in the

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science and so we expose this research that's

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going on out there in a kind of you know funner

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more interesting way because there was some academic

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podcast doing some of this but they're like three

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hours long and it's kind of academic to academic

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and who wants to listen to that but other academics

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and so i thought you know maybe make something

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that would be a little more appealing to a broader

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audience nice i love that it's funny that you

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bring up like the twitter fights and everything

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because there's i put this on our list but there's

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a tweet that like resurfaces every couple of

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years but it's uh talks about it's someone saying

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like azalea banks is schizophrenic until i agree

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with her and then and then she's like she's the

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best voice ever and it's so funny that like it

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resurfaced when it did because like that's exactly

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how i'm feeling about like candace owens right

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now like i'm just like I truly kind of want to

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know if there's like any research behind that,

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like behind like what what is going on with like

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people like Candace Owens and Marjorie Taylor

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Greene, where I'm like, I categorically disagree

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with everything that comes out of their mouths.

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But but now I'm like, oh, hey, maybe maybe there's

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something there and maybe we can find the middle

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ground there. We're we're hopeful, optimistic,

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I mean, hopeless, optimistic with Marjorie. Anytime

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she says the slightest little thing that we.

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slightly agree with we go we're getting her we're

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getting her back we she's well she's out there

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well and i yeah well yeah so there is this idea

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kind of in social science that have talked that

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that even political scientists have talked about

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this as well um you know kind of this idea of

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this kind of renegade character that can um do

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uh play these roles of like um how they have

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authority on one side and then and so that they

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can actually you know sort of point out these

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these criticisms on that side so you and they

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kind of are like these you know cross uh and

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and and you know you'd think we'd have somebody

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like you know liz cheney would be an example

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of that right like theoretically you didn't have

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anybody that was more sort of trusted and well

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known in the conservative world and then she

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sort of you know comes out against trump and

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but they don't it doesn't work like the whole

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thing that social scientists said would always

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work sort of didn't work but there is this idea

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these people that can cross cut like that that

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have they have enough sort of cachet on their

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own side that they kind of, you know, make a

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point like that and start to, and in fact, I

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mean, the stuff that Marjorie Taylor Greene is

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saying, frankly, is exactly the kind of stuff

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that you want somebody to say. Now, you know,

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was she going to live up to it? Is she going

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to live up to it? All that. But, you know, this

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idea that, you know, she actually said, I'm sorry

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for being part of the problem. And, you know,

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I'm ready to talk across divides and all this

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kind of stuff. I mean, that's what you, that's

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the kind of thing these social scientists have

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been talking about. take that role on and you

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know so i don't know you know it'll be interesting

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so again it's like to say it's like i hate him

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until wow they're really saying good things now

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right well and that's that's the thing with marjorie

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taylor green right now where it like because

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when she started coming out and saying all of

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that i was like she's she's she wants to get

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reelected like that's that's what is happening

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right now and then she resigns and i'm like oh

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my was was she being serious like was she actually

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saying that she's sorry and like now she's kind

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of like bowing out of the game because the fallout

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is going to be that bad. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting.

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I don't know. Yeah, exactly. I don't know the

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answer to that because it's like, it's hard to

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sort of, I don't know. It's hard for me to armchair

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quarterback this because I kind of would not

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be, the resignation in some ways is not a surprise,

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but how quickly it happened. Like you say, how

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can you say that's not a surprise? It's totally

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a surprise. Well, once she did this kind of transition,

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you're like her path is probably, you know, her

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path towards future politics is probably being

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cut off, but, Like the speed at which that happened,

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though, it's being cut off with other politicians.

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But I think she's going to get the general public

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behind her. It's possible. I mean, she could

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be another populist that builds a populist groundswell

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kind of, you know, although, you know, there's

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a lot of now because of the stuff that, you know,

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like we see with like these fake accounts. There's

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a lot of stuff now. Maybe Trump wasn't as much

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a groundswell from the ground up as as it sort

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of looks like it is. Well, that's that's the

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thing is I cannot imagine that like MAGA like

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as as a concept as like as like this like idea

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that it's as big as it is. There's no way that

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like that many people are all in for Donald Trump.

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And I have to believe that like a lot of what

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we were like seeing with like the the the obsession

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on Twitter probably was part of like what we're

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kind of like getting confirmation of now where

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it's like. like what what's her uh the daughter

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ivanka like her her biggest fan account was based

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out of what nigeria like come on yeah yeah so

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i think that maybe that it's not really as big

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as as it is i think you're right Well, and also

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whether it really originated, you know, kind

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of on the on the on the base or are, you know,

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on the streets and, you know, in these small

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towns or whether, you know, this kind of Russian

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influence or who knows what state actors maybe,

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you know, kind of started it and then it latched

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on, you know, as a populist movement. And then,

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you know, because we amplify it, the Russians

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don't have enough power on their own to do that

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or whoever state actor. We did it like it's our

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fault. We fell for it. But I do think that I

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was it. I think it was. it was your show that

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i was listening to i think with uh the guy austin

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that you guys had on where um what was it it's

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like for every one tweet from someone else like

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it sparks like what 10 000 or something is like

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the ratio so like yeah they absolutely if they

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didn't like the spark they absolutely absolutely

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lit a few more so no i yeah like it's it's a

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hundred percent like we're the accountable ones

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but yeah like you know we can do that all by

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ourselves i guess Right. Well, yeah, I mean,

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that's kind of what I guess that's part of my,

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you know, complain about the whole. Well, you

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know, I mean, the problem is like we this goes

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so deep. Right. Because people just are not active

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civic participants. Right. Maybe we've had it

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easy for too long. I don't know all the reasons

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for it, but we're sort of passive. Right. We

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just let this stuff flow to us and we don't really

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take a role that much of a role in it. You know,

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it's kind of funny that we have all these, you

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know. folks like my show and, and, and other

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people like a lot of political commentators and

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they're talking about all these things and doing

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all, and you have all these, you know, political

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strategists and they're thinking about all this.

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Like most people are not just putting that energy

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in. Like they don't, they don't watch any news

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at all or read any news at all, like zero. Like

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there's so much research showing the vast majority

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of people just don't any, whatever news they're

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getting is coming to them sort of passively through

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other feeds. Well, and it's I think the people

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that are watching the news are probably watching

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the most toxic sources. And by the way, on both

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ends, like I like my audience knows I Emma and

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I are raging like borderline socialists in a

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lot of ways. But like I can look at both sides

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and like I look at MSNBC and I'm like, oh, my

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God, like we shut your mouth. Like, please stop

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talking because like you're making us look so

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bad. And then I look at Fox News and I'm like,

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I can't believe people. believe anything that

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comes out of their mouths so i guess like i don't

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think there's a source of information that like

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is actually like pure is not the word but i guess

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it's like you're not getting really great information

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that's not designed to be polarizing from anywhere

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so yeah right i love when people say oh but i

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watch fox news just to see what the other side

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is saying No, you're just watching because you're

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entertained by it. Well, you know, and that's,

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you know, there's some, okay, that's fine. But

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in some sense, you're getting... They're not,

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nobody's doing that. Most people aren't doing

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that. But, you know, there's a lot of people

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that talk about that idea that, oh, you need

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to look at news from both sides or read news

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from both sides. That's kind of okay. But if

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you're looking at garbage on both sides, then

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you're just getting more garbage. Like you're

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not actually getting more informed. You can look

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at it from the perspective of a media analyst

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and say, what is the media trying to say? Because,

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you know, like you say, The left leaning programs

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and and and articles and journals and things,

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you know, kind of both do the same thing. They

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don't necessarily lie, although you could say

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people on the side on the right lies maybe a

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little bit more. But it's mostly not straight

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out lies. It's more they just kind of leave stuff

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out and then change the shape of it. Right. So

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that you get more angry because they're kind

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of leaving some stuff out most of the time. Like

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a lot of times when you go look at one of these

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stories that I don't know, even even Marjorie

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Taylor Greene or something said this thing or

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Trump said this thing often, even a lot of times.

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And then you go. look at a little more and go,

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well, in context and a little bit more here,

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it's kind of Trump being Trump and it wasn't

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really that big of a deal. You know, some of

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these things that you can go look at or some

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of these other things that are being proposed

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sometimes. Now, the last nine months, maybe that's

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a little different, but there's a lot of these

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things when you go look at them, if you're looking

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at the left -leaning version of it, a lot of

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times it's exaggerated and just try it because

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it is trying to get you riled up and trying to

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get you mad. It's mad and it's the whole, if

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it bleeds, it leads and all that kind of stuff.

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And so it's all those incentive structures that

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they know. You know, they know how human brains

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work. And we all, whether you're on the left

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or right, you still have a human brain and you're

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still going to, we're all susceptible to all

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these tactics on us. So there's no, you know,

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so we all fall for it, you know, and it's a feel

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good thing, right? Like we feel morally. um superior

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if we keep seeing these things that show how

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bad the other side is so we like it in the moment

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doesn't really help us like we don't sleep better

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because of it and we don't have a better picture

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of the world or anything but we feel better in

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the moment because it kind of justifies that

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we made the right choice look how bad those people

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are i i guess i mean like i i don't love it but

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like i i guess if that's if that's like If that's

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how we're morally justifying it. But one of the

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things I put on my list, because this kind of

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like leads me into one of them. And you said

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Lisa was pretty familiar with this, is a family

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that like puts themselves on blast. And it's

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a podcast called The Necessary Conversation.

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When I put it on the list, I was like, oh, surely

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they're going to like know exactly what this

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is. And you said you weren't super familiar,

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but Lisa is. 100 % familiar. I want to know your

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thoughts on it because I swear to God, when I

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first started seeing it, I was like, this is

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satire. This is not, this is not real. And then

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it's like, it, it, it's real life. Like these

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are real people and they're like, this is their

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actual belief. So at least, so I want to know

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what you think about this. Well, the more the,

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I, I only watch it on Instagram. So I only get

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the short clips. Right. And so they, so he, Chad's

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very good at cutting the, you know, the most.

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sensational grab you know grab your uh your attention

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clips but um yes if you watch if you watch those

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clips um yes it's very disturbing um how right

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the parents are how right wing they are how much

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they support trump she the mom always wears a

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trump hat the dad won't listen to anything i'm

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kind of saying this for david's um benefit because

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he doesn't really know the dad all he says to

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the kids is that you're stupid both these both

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these kids are highly educated people I'm not

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quite sure what Chad does actually but she's

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a screenwriter for movies okay so and you know

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they keep saying the biggest mistake they ever

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made was letting Chad go to school in California

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that that ruined him he's indoctrinated 100 %

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that's what they say all the time Constantly.

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Yeah. And that you're stupid. You're so stupid.

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You're so stupid. You're idiots. And the dad

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just, the dad is the most childish thing you've

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ever seen. He just is like, I'm not listening

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to you. You're so dumb. And there's, there was

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a big gap of time where the dad wasn't in any

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clips at all on Instagram. He just decided I'm

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not doing this anymore, but somehow the mom got

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it back. And the mom's always wearing a MAGA

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hat. For Halloween, she dressed up as Melania.

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It's so uncomfortable. It's very uncomfortable.

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But I do have to say, I do have to say, I have

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a little bit of hope for this family. The mom

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does tell the kids that she loves them. She does

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say, I hate these conversations with you. And

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I did get this sense that I'm trying, I kept

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trying to find this clip again, where she says,

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the only reason I agreed to do this show with

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you is so that we can have a regular life outside

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of this. So I think their agreement is, is that

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they only speak politics on this show and they

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don't speak it in their regular life. And that

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is the agreement actually. Yeah. And I say that

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is Bravo for them to be able to do that. And

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then, but she does say she loves them. Although

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she does say we never made any mistakes as parents.

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David, have you made any mistakes as a parent?

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Of course not. Yes. I mean, we, our kid was really

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little. We said, we're going to make a ton of

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mistakes. We don't know how to raise you. You're

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the first you we've ever raised. But yeah, but

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the dad to me is just. so childish and just he's

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just there's no there's not going to be anything

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getting through to him and I hate right I'm I'm

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sorry Travis if I'm taking over this but I wanted

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to get a couple other things out I was I was

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boohooing in tears when she the mom was um very

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upset about the Epstein papers and Chad was so

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supportive of like yeah mom that's really hard

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and just let her Cause she wants them released.

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She's convinced that Trump's nowhere near, he's

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not in them anywhere. And she wants them released

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and they weren't getting released. And she was

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really upset about it. And he let her just kind

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of vent and not say, not digging on her, which

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I thought was quite lovely. And, but she's can,

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and she wants, cause she wants all the pedophiles

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arrested as we all do. We all, I don't know anybody

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want, all the pedophiles arrested well that was

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cash patel's thing for 10 years okay well that

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was that was cash patel's thing that's pam bondy's

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thing that's donald trump's thing and like it's

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like i mean they campaigned on releasing the

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files right and then it's like now that we're

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here it's like oh oh no no no no we're not gonna

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and i'm glad that like that got through uh congress

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and i'm glad that it was such a And astonishingly,

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like we're all in on this number. Like what was

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it for 27 to one in the House? And then it was

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a unanimous vote in the Senate. So I'm thrilled

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about that. But yeah, the mom was a was a school

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teacher for her entire life. And like that, like

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she cares about these kids. And like it's really

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sad to see like this is real life and like for

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that to become politicized. And for her to. I

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think there's like a there's a. an unwinding

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process like when you're when you're trying to

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like separate like you're like the political

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side of it from like the real life implications

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of what happened to these literal children and

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you realize like I voted for this guy. People

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say he's in the files. I don't want to believe

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that. And I can understand like, you know, not

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wanting to believe that. But this whole idea,

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this and this notion of like people running around

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saying it's the left and the right. It absolutely

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is. And this whole thing of like people bringing

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up like, well, what if your favorite celebrity

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is on the Epstein list? And I'm like, well, first

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of all, I can tell you Bethany Frankel is not

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going to show up on that list. But if she is

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not, she's not she's not my hero anymore. Like,

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I don't know what to tell you. Right. Right.

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There's a lot of people in our lives we've had

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to go. Yeah, we're not in that movie ever again.

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Right. Yeah. You know, my my my bill, my Bill

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Gates flags off my truck. And I think that's

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the other thing, too, is like, I think MAGA put

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a lot of eggs in the basket. And I'll come back

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to the because I think this all relates. But

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like. with with the necessary conversation podcast

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but like i think maga put a lot of eggs in the

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basket of i'm all in on donald trump like he's

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my guy he is my guy and like this like putting

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him on the pedestal i think was the biggest mistake

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because it's like like we we've seen like he

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could keep moving the goal post of like what's

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acceptable and i think now that we're we're literally

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talking about like is he in the epstein files

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is this like is this going to be the breaking

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point i think this is where you're starting to

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see a lot of people really reckon with the fact

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of like oh i went all in on a guy that i probably

00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:10.059
wasn't entirely sure about and now what do we

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do with that i think that's a very that it's

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probably a very hard process psychologically

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to go through of like separating yourself from

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that because like in a lot of ways and i can

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understand like the charisma and like this whole

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like what everything he campaigned on i can understand

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him being a heroic figure for a lot of people

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like not i mean not for me but like i can understand

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how he got there and i think that has to be very

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very hard like i so i i i sympathize with those

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with those people because it's like you're losing

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your hero but when you see it like oh god sorry

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no no go ahead I was going to say, when you see

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it with like this family on YouTube, really arguing

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it out where you've got the mom who's like, no,

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no, no, there's no way. And I'm like, for her

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sake, I hope she's right. And then you've got

00:23:00.910 --> 00:23:03.950
the dad who is just like Donald Trump's on those

00:23:03.950 --> 00:23:06.109
files. I love Donald Trump. He can do no wrong.

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And like, it's it's just it's it's it's such

00:23:09.250 --> 00:23:13.710
a bizarre fight to see happening in real life

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because I'm just like. Like, how did we get here?

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How did we get here? And to see her being really

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upset, too, about the the mass deportations.

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She was not happy about that. And I think that's

00:23:29.700 --> 00:23:33.420
also when her husband backed out because he just

00:23:33.420 --> 00:23:35.880
was going to stick with, I'm going to back up.

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They broke the law, so blah, blah, blah. They

00:23:37.460 --> 00:23:39.440
deserve everything they get kind of thing. They're

00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:41.500
here illegally, you know, and then, you know,

00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:43.240
they're trying to explain to them, well, there's

00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:44.839
citizens that are being wound up. And also it's

00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:46.519
a misdemeanor, by the way, to violate the border

00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:50.940
crossing. Right. But anyway, so, I mean, I think

00:23:50.940 --> 00:23:54.440
that they have given, you know, she was, she

00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:58.470
just does not want the. mass deportations are

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ice she's not happy with ice's job but she's

00:24:01.650 --> 00:24:07.750
still very much a trump supporter um and um i

00:24:07.750 --> 00:24:09.490
forgot what's going with this well you know i

00:24:09.490 --> 00:24:12.109
was gonna say like this is you know if we get

00:24:12.109 --> 00:24:14.910
it i don't want to get us bogged down by the

00:24:14.910 --> 00:24:17.910
sort of science -y you know political science

00:24:17.910 --> 00:24:20.470
other kind of stuff but you know i mean this

00:24:20.470 --> 00:24:22.849
is kind of a what has happened over the last

00:24:22.849 --> 00:24:24.970
you know 30 or 50 years kind of depending on

00:24:24.970 --> 00:24:26.710
how you measure but especially the last you know

00:24:26.710 --> 00:24:30.089
25 or 30 years that this wasn't always like this

00:24:30.089 --> 00:24:33.089
right we didn't our our political identity wasn't

00:24:33.089 --> 00:24:35.230
this salient in our lives like it is now like

00:24:35.230 --> 00:24:37.890
it's first thing we kind of want to know about

00:24:37.890 --> 00:24:39.509
somebody now and this kind of stuff and yeah

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you know Should I listen? That wasn't like that

00:24:41.869 --> 00:24:44.150
30 or 40 years ago. And so this has been, you

00:24:44.150 --> 00:24:46.609
know, a slow thing to kind of build that up.

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And, you know, and and I think if you do like

00:24:51.470 --> 00:24:53.250
the Robert Putnam and the sort of bowling alone

00:24:53.250 --> 00:24:56.109
stuff and all that, somehow political ideology

00:24:56.109 --> 00:24:58.109
is sort of taken over for this kind of tribal

00:24:58.109 --> 00:25:00.930
nature that humans want. And it is very hard

00:25:00.930 --> 00:25:03.410
now. So and so if you think about like the dad

00:25:03.410 --> 00:25:06.170
or even the mom, even if she is to a point where

00:25:06.170 --> 00:25:08.059
I don't like this or I don't like that. Where

00:25:08.059 --> 00:25:10.079
does she go? Like the left isn't going to sort

00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:12.980
of she can't see the left as an option. No, she's

00:25:12.980 --> 00:25:15.700
still 100 percent. Yeah. So and they wouldn't

00:25:15.700 --> 00:25:17.319
take her anyway. Right. They know you're a bad

00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:19.240
person because you supported him before and this

00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:21.839
kind of stuff. So, you know, it's tough because

00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:23.259
there's where are you going to go? Like there's

00:25:23.259 --> 00:25:26.519
no you and, you know, it's it's almost like the

00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:28.359
box into a corner thing. Like I don't have a

00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:30.220
good option. So I'm going to just double I have

00:25:30.220 --> 00:25:32.200
to double down, I guess, you know. And so, yeah,

00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:35.869
so is that like we just don't have. you know

00:25:35.869 --> 00:25:38.690
a good pathway for people to like you know what

00:25:38.690 --> 00:25:40.869
like your guy's not great my guy's not great

00:25:40.869 --> 00:25:43.230
either let me tell you right right we have problems

00:25:43.230 --> 00:25:48.190
too yeah well and that was that's really the

00:25:48.190 --> 00:25:50.730
the most interesting thing like when you when

00:25:50.730 --> 00:25:52.910
you i guess not the most interesting thing but

00:25:52.910 --> 00:25:55.269
it's it's it's such a big deal to people i think

00:25:55.269 --> 00:25:59.039
because like you're And you say it really happened

00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:01.900
over the last like 30, 40 years. And I think

00:26:01.900 --> 00:26:04.160
it's because like the last 30, 40 years have

00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:06.579
been like literally fighting over like, well,

00:26:06.660 --> 00:26:08.440
this party wants you to have rights. This party

00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:10.380
doesn't. I know that's not what every political

00:26:10.380 --> 00:26:12.039
thing is about, but you've got like, I mean,

00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:15.039
something that's very real for me is marriage

00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:20.619
equality. And you have people on the fringes

00:26:20.619 --> 00:26:22.539
of the far right. I know it's not most of the

00:26:22.539 --> 00:26:25.359
right. It's overwhelmingly like. accepted and

00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:28.460
like not even thought about in in most of the

00:26:28.460 --> 00:26:32.319
united states but um you've got the fringes of

00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:35.619
the far right like being lit on fire by the heritage

00:26:35.619 --> 00:26:37.779
foundation that are like we need to repeal gay

00:26:37.779 --> 00:26:39.480
marriage like we need to pull that back and i'm

00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:43.200
like oh okay it's not going to stop with me so

00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:45.420
like i think it's so important to people because

00:26:45.420 --> 00:26:48.880
it's like oh you voted for this guy you don't

00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:53.180
want me to have rights and i like i think I think

00:26:53.180 --> 00:26:55.480
I can see how people get there, but like I'm

00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:59.160
just like I know that my family is overwhelmingly

00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:03.740
conservative and right leaning in a lot of a

00:27:03.740 --> 00:27:06.900
lot of areas. I know they're not voting for the

00:27:06.900 --> 00:27:08.299
Republican Party because they don't want me to

00:27:08.299 --> 00:27:10.019
have rights. And I think that's a that's a thing

00:27:10.019 --> 00:27:14.240
people have a hard time separating. Yeah. And,

00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:16.259
you know, that's that's such an interesting that's

00:27:16.259 --> 00:27:17.920
actually a very interesting topic, too, because.

00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:21.079
It's one of those ones where – I mean it's one

00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:23.559
of the things that Trump was able to really appeal

00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:27.920
to, particularly in the beginning there, 2015

00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:33.079
timeframe, 2016 timeframe. This idea that culture

00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:37.180
had sort of pushed – like they were losing the

00:27:37.180 --> 00:27:40.400
culture wars kind of thing, right? And it was

00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:42.119
kind of funny that people could simultaneously

00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:44.759
kind of say, I don't really have a problem with

00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:47.150
gay marriage, but – Damn it. Why did we let that

00:27:47.150 --> 00:27:49.390
– why did gay marriage happen? Like that's –

00:27:49.390 --> 00:27:51.170
but I actually don't have – like I personally

00:27:51.170 --> 00:27:53.150
don't have a problem. I even know like my family.

00:27:53.230 --> 00:27:55.569
I have members of my family that are like – but

00:27:55.569 --> 00:27:58.950
I still have like this weird kind of – I'm opposed

00:27:58.950 --> 00:28:02.329
to this idea because it's like attacking me at

00:28:02.329 --> 00:28:04.910
this kind of cultural – it's like a place I lost

00:28:04.910 --> 00:28:07.269
the war. And it's like a place where Trump was

00:28:07.269 --> 00:28:09.549
so good with that language of we're going to

00:28:09.549 --> 00:28:11.789
win. And they understood what that meant. I think

00:28:11.789 --> 00:28:12.990
most of the rest of us didn't even know what

00:28:12.990 --> 00:28:16.160
that meant. Right. But it's it's stuck with that

00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:17.680
group because they're like, yeah, we've been

00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:20.059
losing for so long and losing for 20 years. You

00:28:20.059 --> 00:28:21.579
know, we lost this. We lost that. We lost that.

00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:24.539
And, you know, and I think that's a place where

00:28:24.539 --> 00:28:27.839
there's so much room to kind of let's come to

00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:29.299
the table because you actually aren't concerned

00:28:29.299 --> 00:28:31.819
about this. So why is it bothering you so much?

00:28:31.859 --> 00:28:34.539
And that's a conversation like we've never been

00:28:34.539 --> 00:28:37.099
good at because people immediately start, oh,

00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:38.799
you don't like it. So therefore you're a bad

00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:40.700
person and blah, blah, blah. And we don't find

00:28:40.700 --> 00:28:43.619
this way to kind of. overcome that like thing

00:28:43.619 --> 00:28:45.339
that's like pretty obvious like you actually

00:28:45.339 --> 00:28:47.500
aren't concerned about it but you are concerned

00:28:47.500 --> 00:28:49.819
about it at the same time and it just talks about

00:28:49.819 --> 00:28:51.700
this whole identity and this winning and losing

00:28:51.700 --> 00:28:54.200
you know kind of black and white winners and

00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:56.220
losers kind of mindset that's happened where

00:28:56.220 --> 00:28:59.359
my side needs to have these three wins and every

00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:01.839
every loss that every win that your side gets

00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:03.920
is a loss to me whereas like that's an example

00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:07.259
of who loses in that right there's no winners

00:29:07.259 --> 00:29:10.180
losers there right well that's something that

00:29:10.180 --> 00:29:14.960
i've like i will spiral over because it's like

00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:17.960
and it comes into this whole conversation about

00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:20.339
diversity equity and inclusion and how like the

00:29:20.339 --> 00:29:23.759
like donald trump and like like all these guys

00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:26.119
like anytime they hate something it's they immediately

00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:28.559
label it woke and it's like it's dei and i hate

00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:32.359
it and like whatever and then you see like you

00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:34.740
you really start to see people saying well like

00:29:34.740 --> 00:29:38.359
like we have diversity equity and inclusion initiatives

00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:41.460
in in so many places in the country and that

00:29:41.460 --> 00:29:43.839
must be why i'm i'm disadvantaged and i'm like

00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:46.539
i don't i don't think you get what diversity

00:29:46.539 --> 00:29:48.700
equity inclusion means if you think you're disadvantaged

00:29:48.700 --> 00:29:52.480
in any way but that's that's not a fight i'm

00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:54.859
gonna win any anytime soon with people but um

00:29:54.859 --> 00:29:59.660
but like you you really you really see it in

00:29:59.660 --> 00:30:03.759
like where you know target was the big one where

00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:05.859
they like they said okay we're gonna roll back

00:30:05.859 --> 00:30:09.829
our diversity equity and inclusion policies And

00:30:09.829 --> 00:30:12.930
like their their entire business model is just

00:30:12.930 --> 00:30:15.609
like on fire around them. And they're like when

00:30:15.609 --> 00:30:19.049
I put it in these notes, but like they they they

00:30:19.049 --> 00:30:21.289
laid off like eighteen hundred people and then

00:30:21.289 --> 00:30:23.710
they blame it on their processes being too complex.

00:30:23.829 --> 00:30:26.930
And I'm like, you just have to take the loss

00:30:26.930 --> 00:30:28.809
and admit when you messed up like that's like

00:30:28.809 --> 00:30:31.049
Diva, you have got to figure this out because

00:30:31.049 --> 00:30:33.539
like. I cannot imagine that there's not someone

00:30:33.539 --> 00:30:36.720
sitting in a boardroom in Minneapolis where Target

00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:39.019
is based saying, hey, do you guys remember when

00:30:39.019 --> 00:30:40.599
we were for the girls and the gays and the days

00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:42.859
and we were doing really, really great? And people

00:30:42.859 --> 00:30:45.180
just like showed up to spend hundreds of dollars

00:30:45.180 --> 00:30:47.599
at a time. And then we like made this fun little

00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:50.140
announcement. And then like they stopped like

00:30:50.140 --> 00:30:52.880
like the fact that they're not publicly making

00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:57.539
this connection is is so insane to me. Yeah,

00:30:57.700 --> 00:30:59.420
they and you know, they used to have a really

00:30:59.420 --> 00:31:03.319
great on. on a pride month, they had some great

00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:05.079
products that came out. I'm like, you'd always,

00:31:05.099 --> 00:31:07.059
I always get a little excited. Oh, they're going

00:31:07.059 --> 00:31:08.740
to come out with the, with all their pride stuff.

00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:10.819
It's really cool. And then when they said, Oh,

00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:12.400
we're not doing this anymore. It's like, yeah,

00:31:12.420 --> 00:31:14.420
I don't think I've been into target since then.

00:31:14.500 --> 00:31:16.619
I don't think we have. I don't think I truly

00:31:16.619 --> 00:31:19.640
think that that was like, and then you're like,

00:31:19.740 --> 00:31:25.200
DEI is a, is a sore spot with me because like

00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.240
you said, Travis, nobody really knows what that

00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:31.390
is. They just think that it's bad for white Christians.

00:31:31.509 --> 00:31:33.690
And it should be bad for white Christians, by

00:31:33.690 --> 00:31:37.450
the way. But, you know, it's like, you don't

00:31:37.450 --> 00:31:39.430
even know what that is. Do you know who made,

00:31:39.529 --> 00:31:43.089
you know, who benefited the most for DEI? And

00:31:43.089 --> 00:31:45.349
they're like, oh, no, no, it's just all those

00:31:45.349 --> 00:31:49.279
Asians. And I'm like. What Asians? Ew. What are

00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:51.720
you talking about? What are you talking about?

00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:54.720
No, white women are the ones who benefited the

00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:59.460
most. But then again, MAGA wants women back in

00:31:59.460 --> 00:32:02.000
the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant. Well, is

00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:05.960
MAGA on that path? Yeah, the trad wife. Oh, the

00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:07.660
trad wife thing, yeah. But I thought those were

00:32:07.660 --> 00:32:09.339
a little bit separate. I don't know if that's

00:32:09.339 --> 00:32:10.980
a one -to -one match. Well, like we've discovered

00:32:10.980 --> 00:32:13.700
that trad wife is more of a porn addiction. Well,

00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:17.599
it's got its aspect to it. Well, I know I was

00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:19.700
surprised I did. I did an episode. I did. I basically

00:32:19.700 --> 00:32:21.180
ended up doing these episodes that ended up being

00:32:21.180 --> 00:32:23.039
a series. Right. I initially started with kind

00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:25.319
of the trad wife, homeschooling, homesteading

00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:27.839
stuff. And that was kind of episode one in this

00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.019
series. And then I did, you know, the young men

00:32:30.019 --> 00:32:32.140
leaning to the right versus young women. Yeah.

00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:35.220
Right. And sort of the Gen Z particularly. And

00:32:35.220 --> 00:32:37.200
so we did an episode about that. And then I did

00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.339
that as a kind of follow up. The third one is

00:32:39.339 --> 00:32:40.819
kind of the Manosphere one, because Manosphere

00:32:40.819 --> 00:32:42.859
kind of kept coming up in both those other two.

00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:46.039
So it's like, why better? try to figure out what

00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:48.000
the manosphere even means so then i did that

00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:49.960
manosphere episode so yeah so i did this episode

00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:51.839
on trad wife and that's where i i learned it

00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:53.700
and like once i talked to one of these experts

00:32:53.700 --> 00:32:55.480
about it and they were talking about you know

00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:58.539
that that there's this kind of um uh kind of

00:32:58.539 --> 00:33:00.599
a porn side to it that like there's this whole

00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:03.880
fetishy trad wife thing going on i'm like oh

00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:05.359
now that you mentioned it that makes perfect

00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:06.880
sense of course there is but it didn't occur

00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:11.559
to me until right no travis is not gonna sleep

00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:14.069
now for a week but it's like you know We talk

00:33:14.069 --> 00:33:15.730
all the time, like if there's a thing, there's

00:33:15.730 --> 00:33:17.990
a porn version of it. Of course there is. But

00:33:17.990 --> 00:33:20.690
just even as, you know, all those women, you

00:33:20.690 --> 00:33:23.990
know, cooking and sitting with all the kids screaming

00:33:23.990 --> 00:33:25.410
and all that. They're flowing dresses and all.

00:33:25.450 --> 00:33:28.970
100 % turn on fetish. Yeah, there's got to be

00:33:28.970 --> 00:33:31.490
a fetish for that, for sure. Yeah. Show me your

00:33:31.490 --> 00:33:32.650
feet a little more. I mean, I'm not here to kink

00:33:32.650 --> 00:33:36.309
shame anyone, but like. No, of course not. Of

00:33:36.309 --> 00:33:41.849
course not. But when you're trying to frame it

00:33:41.849 --> 00:33:46.289
as a. You know, this is the way life should be.

00:33:46.390 --> 00:33:51.150
Women should not have a vote. A vote should be

00:33:51.150 --> 00:33:53.230
for the household and the man will do that. And

00:33:53.230 --> 00:33:55.670
women should be home having kids, as many kids

00:33:55.670 --> 00:33:59.069
as possible. Yeah, it's pretty gross. And for

00:33:59.069 --> 00:34:01.490
women that want to do that, great. Like that's

00:34:01.490 --> 00:34:04.289
your choice. No, that's fine. Yeah, no, 100%.

00:34:04.289 --> 00:34:06.589
But like making all women do that is where we're

00:34:06.589 --> 00:34:08.610
talking about, like drawing the line. Yeah, but

00:34:08.610 --> 00:34:11.050
are you okay? I would like to talk to a woman

00:34:11.050 --> 00:34:13.699
who's okay giving up her vote. And letting her

00:34:13.699 --> 00:34:15.039
husband vote. I don't know. You see him. I mean,

00:34:15.059 --> 00:34:17.260
you see him online talking about it. Again, I

00:34:17.260 --> 00:34:20.079
don't know how real that is. Well, I'm also saying

00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:22.440
if you're doing it online, yeah, you're not a

00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:26.059
trad wife. This is your need to be seen. This

00:34:26.059 --> 00:34:28.599
is your introduction to. It's an influencer.

00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:30.360
You know what? There's going to be the real trad

00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:33.599
wives of, I don't know, whatever. I'm surprised

00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:35.539
it hasn't happened yet. Andy Cohen's got that

00:34:35.539 --> 00:34:37.139
lined up already. Hasn't that already kind of

00:34:37.139 --> 00:34:38.619
happened? Isn't there a show like that? Is there

00:34:38.619 --> 00:34:40.380
not something like that already? I'm amazed that

00:34:40.380 --> 00:34:43.650
hasn't happened. PBS did the 1800 house. Yeah,

00:34:43.650 --> 00:34:48.429
they also did. What was it? Sister wives for

00:34:48.429 --> 00:34:52.909
that. Kind of. But like at the same time, like

00:34:52.909 --> 00:34:55.130
that devolved pretty quickly into seeing like

00:34:55.130 --> 00:34:58.690
what the cracks in those marriages are. But like

00:34:58.690 --> 00:35:00.789
I. So here's here's the thing about the trad

00:35:00.789 --> 00:35:03.289
wife thing, though. Like if you truly believe

00:35:03.289 --> 00:35:09.059
like as a woman, your experience is. But you

00:35:09.059 --> 00:35:11.539
want to like be a mother and you want that to

00:35:11.539 --> 00:35:14.300
be like your sole identity. I want you to do

00:35:14.300 --> 00:35:16.000
that. Like that's that's the cool thing about

00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:18.079
all this is like you have the choice to do all

00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:21.340
of it. And I think when you get into this area

00:35:21.340 --> 00:35:23.000
where like the Heritage Foundation is like, no,

00:35:23.019 --> 00:35:24.800
no, no, this is what must be promoted. This is

00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:27.039
what this is like what we need to push. And this

00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:30.980
is the agenda. And you literally write it down

00:35:30.980 --> 00:35:35.119
in Project 2025. I'm like, oh. You don't you

00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:37.519
don't want women to actually have rights. You

00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:40.619
you like that. That's that's always been such

00:35:40.619 --> 00:35:43.860
a bizarre thing to me. Like in in in most areas

00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:45.920
of life, I'm like, I don't care how anyone lives

00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:47.559
their life. It's truly none of my business. As

00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:51.280
long as everyone involved is like is on board

00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:52.900
and like they're doing what they want to do.

00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:54.539
I don't care how I don't care what your family

00:35:54.539 --> 00:35:57.079
looks like. I don't get it. That's all I care.

00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:00.360
Yeah. Like whatever. Everybody's in agreement.

00:36:00.780 --> 00:36:03.340
Everybody's safe. Everybody's. lives you know

00:36:03.340 --> 00:36:06.340
that's fine you yeah you should do you you do

00:36:06.340 --> 00:36:09.480
you boo yeah do like and that's and that's the

00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:12.820
thing where you've got the project or i'm sorry

00:36:12.820 --> 00:36:15.300
uh the heritage foundation and then turning point

00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:17.699
usa was the other big one where they're literally

00:36:17.699 --> 00:36:20.119
writing down on paper like this is the way we

00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:22.539
want people to live their lives that is strange

00:36:22.539 --> 00:36:27.769
to me i don't get that Yeah. What I will say,

00:36:27.769 --> 00:36:30.409
like, so I will say that, like, the DEI thing

00:36:30.409 --> 00:36:33.289
is another example of this idea of that. I think

00:36:33.289 --> 00:36:36.469
the left often kind of forgets that, you know,

00:36:36.469 --> 00:36:38.909
we think about political power and sometimes

00:36:38.909 --> 00:36:41.210
the right sometimes seems like they have more

00:36:41.210 --> 00:36:43.130
political power here and there. But from the

00:36:43.130 --> 00:36:44.829
right's perspective, like they feel like they

00:36:44.829 --> 00:36:47.389
are excluded, that the left has all this cultural

00:36:47.389 --> 00:36:49.769
power, right? Like the left is kind of to them

00:36:49.769 --> 00:36:53.030
taking over academia, taking over Hollywood,

00:36:53.250 --> 00:36:56.960
is taking over, you know. education from their

00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:59.340
perspective. And, and so, you know, and that's,

00:36:59.340 --> 00:37:01.260
and so they feel like they have to go and assert

00:37:01.260 --> 00:37:03.420
themselves in those, in those realms, you know,

00:37:03.420 --> 00:37:05.440
and I think DEI is kind of part of that. They,

00:37:05.460 --> 00:37:07.760
they kind of attached, you know, again, like

00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:09.960
Lisa says, DEI means whatever somebody wants

00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:13.420
it to mean, I guess. But I think that's part

00:37:13.420 --> 00:37:16.039
of where it comes from. Like, so I had to call

00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:18.300
this person they. You know, it's like, screw

00:37:18.300 --> 00:37:20.800
that. I'm not going to do that. You know, and

00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.659
that that whole conversation where people are

00:37:23.659 --> 00:37:25.699
screaming about like, I don't want to do that,

00:37:25.739 --> 00:37:28.340
then don't. You don't have to. But like you,

00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:32.099
you cannot force an entire population of people

00:37:32.099 --> 00:37:34.480
to get on board with like your notion of what

00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:36.800
the perfect family is or what the perfect religion

00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:40.199
is like. That is so strange to me, like how we

00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:42.280
started versus how we got here. I'm like, Diva,

00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:44.920
like, do you not do you? You're losing the plot.

00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:48.460
Well, sometimes you've mentioned rights like

00:37:48.460 --> 00:37:50.980
I've heard the term rights a few times. And sometimes

00:37:50.980 --> 00:37:52.619
when we use those kind of words, just be careful,

00:37:52.699 --> 00:37:55.199
because like if you say, you know, for like a

00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:57.320
person on the right, they think they're defending

00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:59.420
the Constitution to support Donald Trump and

00:37:59.420 --> 00:38:01.260
do a lot of other stuff. Right. They think they're

00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:03.860
the ones defending rights. And it's the left

00:38:03.860 --> 00:38:05.380
trying to take the rights away. So a lot of this

00:38:05.380 --> 00:38:07.920
is how people interpret this language and words.

00:38:08.340 --> 00:38:10.000
You know, I had a conversation with somebody

00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:12.179
on the right that wrote a whole piece about.

00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:15.079
you know, charisma and how the leftist falls

00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:17.619
for charisma all the time. And and, you know,

00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:20.500
conservatives never fall for charisma. And I'm

00:38:20.500 --> 00:38:23.960
like, and I'm like, isn't Donald Trump like a

00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:26.239
counter argument to this, like a counter point

00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:29.000
of this? And he's like, well, no, because Trump's

00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:31.800
not charismatic because he's kind of. crude or

00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:33.659
whatever. It's like, OK, so we're just defining

00:38:33.659 --> 00:38:35.559
words the way we want to define them now. Right.

00:38:35.820 --> 00:38:38.019
And so and I think it's but it's a good point.

00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:39.760
It's like that's what we all do. Like this guy

00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:41.679
did it. But I mean, I'm sure I could have taken

00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:43.579
one of his paragraphs, kind of neutralize it.

00:38:43.619 --> 00:38:45.119
So you didn't know if he was talking about Trump

00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:47.280
or somebody else or a left person or right person.

00:38:47.420 --> 00:38:49.099
And, you know, you would hand to a bunch of people,

00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:50.079
a bunch of people on the left and say, well,

00:38:50.099 --> 00:38:52.179
this is 100 percent about Trump. Right. And probably

00:38:52.179 --> 00:38:53.360
some people on the right would have said, well,

00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:57.070
that's 100 percent about Mamdani or Obama. So

00:38:57.070 --> 00:38:59.070
it's just like it's just how we look at things.

00:38:59.110 --> 00:39:00.929
We see what we want to see in this stuff. And

00:39:00.929 --> 00:39:03.309
so it can be a real problem when we just don't

00:39:03.309 --> 00:39:05.809
interpret the words the same way. I have a problem

00:39:05.809 --> 00:39:07.909
giving Trump credit for coming up with all this.

00:39:08.469 --> 00:39:10.789
He's someone's pawn. He didn't come up with this.

00:39:11.210 --> 00:39:12.650
Yeah, it's starting to look that way, isn't it?

00:39:12.710 --> 00:39:17.469
Yeah. But yeah, I think he does have an intuition

00:39:17.469 --> 00:39:20.789
for it, though. He can he can. He did, I think,

00:39:20.809 --> 00:39:23.630
see like a missing piece and none of the, you

00:39:23.630 --> 00:39:26.030
know, he simplified things and he figured, you

00:39:26.030 --> 00:39:27.730
know, he's simple, I guess. Right. I mean, he

00:39:27.730 --> 00:39:30.750
sees it simple. And, you know, most of us, most

00:39:30.750 --> 00:39:33.050
people see it simple. So he was able to say stuff

00:39:33.050 --> 00:39:35.929
in simple ways that say the thing he wanted to

00:39:35.929 --> 00:39:38.690
hear. And I think, you know, all these strategists

00:39:38.690 --> 00:39:41.550
are just overthinking it. Oh, 100 percent. Well,

00:39:41.630 --> 00:39:44.659
and I think. The best way I've heard it described

00:39:44.659 --> 00:39:47.179
is Democrats fall in love and Republicans fall

00:39:47.179 --> 00:39:49.059
in line. Like Republicans are going to show up

00:39:49.059 --> 00:39:51.480
and vote for Republicans no matter what. Democrats

00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:54.000
have a tendency to fall in love with their candidate.

00:39:54.099 --> 00:39:58.139
Like, I mean, you could not tell me like that

00:39:58.139 --> 00:40:00.679
Barack Obama and granted there there's room for

00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:02.260
criticism there. But you couldn't tell me that

00:40:02.260 --> 00:40:04.719
Barack Obama was not the greatest president that

00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:06.380
ever walked the face of the earth. And I was

00:40:06.380 --> 00:40:09.480
just mad that like I wasn't I wasn't 18 when

00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:13.030
it was. the time for his the first vote jesus

00:40:13.030 --> 00:40:18.809
he's that young if it makes you feel better i'm

00:40:18.809 --> 00:40:21.449
lying about my age like now so like we moved

00:40:21.449 --> 00:40:26.210
a little bit away from there it's fine like i

00:40:26.210 --> 00:40:28.329
support everyone's right to lie about their age

00:40:28.329 --> 00:40:34.110
but um i think donald trump really found his

00:40:34.110 --> 00:40:37.670
niche in I can I can make the right fall in love

00:40:37.670 --> 00:40:41.809
to like. So I think what we're seeing is probably

00:40:41.809 --> 00:40:45.349
just the pendulum swinging so far because it's

00:40:45.349 --> 00:40:46.730
like, oh, well, we've been falling in love with

00:40:46.730 --> 00:40:49.889
people. So for so long, but like the right didn't

00:40:49.889 --> 00:40:52.190
really have a guy to fall in love with. Like

00:40:52.190 --> 00:40:56.869
I looking back, like I can't think of any figure

00:40:56.869 --> 00:40:59.820
on the right that is truly just like. as charismatic

00:40:59.820 --> 00:41:03.219
as donald trump is it's like as messy as he is

00:41:03.219 --> 00:41:05.059
it's like and like this is the thing is like

00:41:05.059 --> 00:41:06.559
if he would if he wouldn't have gotten involved

00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:08.099
in politics and i've said it a million times

00:41:08.099 --> 00:41:11.019
i would love the guy like i and if i think back

00:41:11.019 --> 00:41:13.940
to like 2014 being in new york if i would have

00:41:13.940 --> 00:41:16.320
ran into him at a party like i know exactly how

00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:17.679
it would have gone he would have been holding

00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:19.760
court with like a bunch of people like he would

00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.039
have been having a time because he's messy and

00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:24.800
he's funny and he's kind of a disaster but it's

00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:26.679
like a it's a car crash you can't look away from

00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:31.650
and I just wish he would have like harnessed

00:41:31.650 --> 00:41:33.570
that in a different way. That's just all there

00:41:33.570 --> 00:41:38.670
is to it. I disagree a little bit. I think he's

00:41:38.670 --> 00:41:43.389
the we just because he wasn't in politics. He

00:41:43.389 --> 00:41:46.889
was he has been misogynistic forever and we've

00:41:46.889 --> 00:41:49.909
just overlooked it because he was a nobody. But

00:41:49.909 --> 00:41:53.510
I if he was in a party and told me that, yeah,

00:41:53.590 --> 00:41:55.750
I'm going to go check on the girls in the dressing

00:41:55.750 --> 00:41:58.039
room at the pageant. I would be fucking qualified.

00:41:58.900 --> 00:42:03.420
OK, that's fair. Yeah, that's fair. You know,

00:42:03.420 --> 00:42:06.980
and I think that those comments were kind of

00:42:06.980 --> 00:42:09.059
just whatever. That's just Trump being Trump.

00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:12.679
He's a nobody. Forget that. You know, he's just

00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:15.280
going to sell some steaks and water and airlines.

00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:18.239
It's all going to go underground anyway. But

00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:22.340
I think that if we knew if we knew then what

00:42:22.340 --> 00:42:30.420
we know now. Oof. I think he would be, I'm using

00:42:30.420 --> 00:42:34.239
quotes, canceled. Canceled. Yeah. I mean, he

00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:36.480
was canceled by the Village Voice like 25 years

00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:40.300
ago. Yeah. I think I was looking at it from the

00:42:40.300 --> 00:42:42.059
perspective of like, he's, I mean, he's like

00:42:42.059 --> 00:42:43.800
a drag queen. Like, I guess I didn't think about

00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:45.619
like the things that we know he said at the time.

00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:47.980
Now we're talking about something totally different.

00:42:47.980 --> 00:42:51.320
I would love to see him. It would be funny. I

00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:54.340
would pay good money to see that. But, you know,

00:42:54.340 --> 00:42:55.900
I think of Trump differently, right? Because

00:42:55.900 --> 00:42:57.900
I see him, I think he's sort of so broken as

00:42:57.900 --> 00:43:00.480
a human. I kind of see him as almost like an

00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:02.880
alien that's going through life kind of pretending

00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:05.480
to, like, this is almost like chat GPT. Like,

00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:07.679
this is what the way a human would talk, right?

00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:13.559
Yeah, he's... I mean, kind of. Like, I mean,

00:43:13.579 --> 00:43:16.960
who even says, what a weird turn of phrase, grab

00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:19.260
him by the pussy. Have you ever met anyone in

00:43:19.260 --> 00:43:21.119
your entire life, even somebody crude that would

00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:24.030
use that weird turn of phrase? I mean, he just

00:43:24.030 --> 00:43:27.989
feels like he's a he's a machine is trying to

00:43:27.989 --> 00:43:30.670
sometimes pretend to be human. I mean, and all

00:43:30.670 --> 00:43:32.989
this stuff. I see that that 10 year old, I'll

00:43:32.989 --> 00:43:35.309
be dating her in 10 years or see that, you know,

00:43:35.369 --> 00:43:38.389
my daughter, my my daughter is so freaking gorgeous.

00:43:38.449 --> 00:43:41.289
And I would love to date that. I mean, just the

00:43:41.289 --> 00:43:43.269
stuff that we've heard. And then he has these

00:43:43.269 --> 00:43:46.650
weird like little moments of like self self awareness

00:43:46.650 --> 00:43:48.250
where it's like, I guess I'm probably not going

00:43:48.250 --> 00:43:51.510
to heaven. Right. And then he turns around and

00:43:51.510 --> 00:43:57.059
he's like, quiet, picky. Yeah. No, but what's

00:43:57.059 --> 00:43:58.800
his obsession with heaven right now? What does

00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:00.360
he think? I don't know. What does he think heaven

00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:04.059
is? I know. I don't know. I mean, I feel like

00:44:04.059 --> 00:44:06.539
heaven is something like Stefan from Saturday

00:44:06.539 --> 00:44:13.530
Night Live. Go see heaven. It's got wombats in

00:44:13.530 --> 00:44:17.409
the corner, dancing wombats. It's got everything.

00:44:19.909 --> 00:44:23.630
Are you old enough to know who Stefan is from

00:44:23.630 --> 00:44:27.110
Saturday Night Live? You've got to look that

00:44:27.110 --> 00:44:32.909
up. Travis. Get some clips of Stefan. You may

00:44:32.909 --> 00:44:35.309
not even know this much about Saturday Night

00:44:35.309 --> 00:44:37.010
Live, but Saturday Night Live has the news segment.

00:44:38.849 --> 00:44:40.909
yes and stefan would be one of the people that

00:44:40.909 --> 00:44:43.389
would come on and he would give um you know uh

00:44:43.389 --> 00:44:46.090
hot tips for what to do in new york city what's

00:44:46.090 --> 00:44:48.989
the hot club in new york oh oh oh yes yes yes

00:44:48.989 --> 00:44:50.869
okay like i did i never knew his name i know

00:44:50.869 --> 00:44:52.929
exactly who you're talking about yeah yeah and

00:44:52.929 --> 00:44:55.610
so and and the one of the things about that that

00:44:55.610 --> 00:44:57.809
skit is that he didn't know what he was going

00:44:57.809 --> 00:45:00.309
to say like the writers give him cards in the

00:45:00.309 --> 00:45:02.989
moment He didn't know. So that's why he was cracking

00:45:02.989 --> 00:45:04.289
up so much all the time because he would read

00:45:04.289 --> 00:45:06.429
these cards and then say, and then they started

00:45:06.429 --> 00:45:09.070
making that, that, um, they started scripting

00:45:09.070 --> 00:45:11.289
that like mad libs. So they would just sit in

00:45:11.289 --> 00:45:13.130
the writings. They wrote it all out, but then

00:45:13.130 --> 00:45:15.289
they'd say, okay, we just fill in a blank. Yeah.

00:45:15.369 --> 00:45:17.469
Phil, we're going to do a Stefan fill in. I need

00:45:17.469 --> 00:45:21.550
a adjective. I need a animal. I need a noun.

00:45:21.730 --> 00:45:25.679
I need, yeah. You know, so. So even the writers,

00:45:25.820 --> 00:45:28.079
they wrote the basic script, but then they would

00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.539
mad lib it in and then that's what they would

00:45:30.539 --> 00:45:33.099
give him. Yeah. Oh, that's amazing. So that's

00:45:33.099 --> 00:45:35.380
what I think. So that's what I think that Trump

00:45:35.380 --> 00:45:37.280
doesn't even know what heaven is. What is, I

00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:39.599
mean, what does he, what does he really think

00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:42.239
he's, he's not a deep thinker. I mean, he's not

00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:45.460
a deep thinker. And don't forget, John Paul said

00:45:45.460 --> 00:45:47.539
that don't be an asshole. Everybody gets to go

00:45:47.539 --> 00:45:50.260
to heaven. Just don't be an asshole. Didn't he

00:45:50.260 --> 00:45:52.659
retract that? No, he did not. I don't know. I

00:45:52.659 --> 00:45:54.650
don't know. But the Catholics lost their fucking

00:45:54.650 --> 00:45:57.110
mind. They were not happy about that. No, they

00:45:57.110 --> 00:46:01.550
were not happy. You've got to die for more if

00:46:01.550 --> 00:46:06.389
you want to go to heaven. Yeah. No. Yeah. I guess

00:46:06.389 --> 00:46:10.110
I don't know. The long and short of it is, like,

00:46:10.190 --> 00:46:12.650
Donald Trump is a case that I don't think we're

00:46:12.650 --> 00:46:15.030
ever going to solve as a nation. And, like, at

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some ways, I would like to see in 100 years how

00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:48.500
history is going to reflect on this. Yeah, I

00:47:48.500 --> 00:47:50.860
know, because you can imagine. I don't want to

00:47:50.860 --> 00:47:53.579
live for 100 years. Yeah. Well, you can imagine

00:47:53.579 --> 00:47:56.179
like some character 100 years ago. somebody that

00:47:56.179 --> 00:47:58.219
was living through it would look at how historians

00:47:58.219 --> 00:48:00.119
talk about now they're like oh man they got that

00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:05.960
wrong that's true but it's so anyways go ahead

00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:09.300
i like i want to know like i think i have thought

00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:10.900
about that a lot like how are we going to talk

00:48:10.900 --> 00:48:14.579
about like covid and black lives matter and like

00:48:14.579 --> 00:48:16.639
things that have real impacts and it's like are

00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:20.539
we going to whitewash it or are we gonna like

00:48:21.210 --> 00:48:24.070
And truly learn from our mistakes of doing that

00:48:24.070 --> 00:48:28.670
with like the civil rights movement and and everywhere

00:48:28.670 --> 00:48:31.630
we went wrong and say, no, we have to be honest

00:48:31.630 --> 00:48:33.349
about that, because I think this is something

00:48:33.349 --> 00:48:35.989
like as this is on a societal level. I think

00:48:35.989 --> 00:48:38.389
we have to start being very honest about like,

00:48:38.469 --> 00:48:41.170
yeah, it's OK to admit we messed up like this

00:48:41.170 --> 00:48:42.829
American exceptionalism thing is not getting

00:48:42.829 --> 00:48:47.570
us very far. Yeah, and I think that right. And

00:48:47.570 --> 00:48:50.170
I think the Democrats still haven't really learned.

00:48:50.869 --> 00:48:53.050
figured out what what the takeaways are from

00:48:53.050 --> 00:48:54.969
this whole last 10 years well we tried to start

00:48:54.969 --> 00:48:59.809
doing that I mean Columbus Day was pre -Trump

00:48:59.809 --> 00:49:02.869
we were getting away from Columbus Day yeah for

00:49:02.869 --> 00:49:07.409
obvious reasons and even like nobody likes even

00:49:07.409 --> 00:49:10.369
even Spain like and Portugal don't like Columbus

00:49:10.369 --> 00:49:14.050
nobody likes Columbus right and you know but

00:49:14.050 --> 00:49:16.489
it's also so we were getting away from that and

00:49:16.489 --> 00:49:19.730
getting more of the real story and then here

00:49:19.730 --> 00:49:22.510
here he comes and now you know columbus day is

00:49:22.510 --> 00:49:25.889
back with a vengeance and i think that's such

00:49:25.889 --> 00:49:28.630
a bizarre hill to die on like what like you you

00:49:28.630 --> 00:49:30.809
truly can't handle it being called indigenous

00:49:30.809 --> 00:49:33.929
people's day like you you cannot handle that

00:49:33.929 --> 00:49:37.449
idea and so you like what attachment do you have

00:49:37.449 --> 00:49:39.489
to christopher columbus like i don't understand

00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:43.719
The attachment he has is that or that that side

00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:46.579
has is that the other side says, don't be stupid.

00:49:46.820 --> 00:49:48.860
Well, I guess it's part of that whole culture

00:49:48.860 --> 00:49:51.639
war nostalgia thing. Yes. They feel like it's

00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:53.320
another place. They're losing the culture war

00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:56.059
and losing. Can I just tell you, I've never felt

00:49:56.059 --> 00:49:58.599
nostalgic about Christopher Columbus or Columbus

00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:00.840
Day. Like I've never felt a sense of pride around

00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:04.559
it. Like that is a bizarre thing to me. I'd rather

00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.380
call it Tony Soprano Day because then I would

00:50:07.380 --> 00:50:11.460
be way behind it. Yeah. Right. I mean, the whole

00:50:11.460 --> 00:50:13.820
story is like who even decided to make that a

00:50:13.820 --> 00:50:16.820
story? It's such a wacky story anyway. Who came

00:50:16.820 --> 00:50:21.320
up with that mythology? I I love how creative

00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:23.300
we get with history. Like, I think it's just

00:50:23.300 --> 00:50:28.139
such a fun thing that we do. Also, speaking of

00:50:28.139 --> 00:50:30.500
history, because this kind of is a perfect segue

00:50:30.500 --> 00:50:34.699
into like one of my last topics. Have you guys

00:50:34.699 --> 00:50:38.960
seen the. the timeline on the white house website

00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:42.079
of like the history of like the building of the

00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:46.840
white house you know i hadn't seen it until you

00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:48.780
brought it to my attention but yeah i did i did

00:50:48.780 --> 00:50:53.880
look it over what are your thoughts this is so

00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:58.219
bizarre like to me like what are they really

00:50:58.219 --> 00:51:01.539
doing like you know I mean, I mean, for one thing,

00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:03.739
I mean, Trump does like this idea that if I put

00:51:03.739 --> 00:51:06.579
my crimes out there in public, like they're OK.

00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:08.400
Right. If I just say I'm going to do it, it must

00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:10.719
be fine. Like everyone says, well, it must not

00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:12.860
be illegal because he put it on a website. But

00:51:12.860 --> 00:51:15.920
so there's that side of it, maybe. But what is

00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:18.639
this whole thing anyway? Like, is it what is

00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:20.659
it? I mean, I guess it's it could be as, you

00:51:20.659 --> 00:51:23.500
know, Occam's razor kind of it's just the grift.

00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:26.699
Right. It's like a new way to grift. I don't

00:51:26.699 --> 00:51:28.619
know. It could be legacy like he wants to do

00:51:28.619 --> 00:51:31.170
some kind of legacy there. I feel like the whole

00:51:31.170 --> 00:51:33.369
thing is not about a ballroom at all. I feel

00:51:33.369 --> 00:51:34.869
like there's something else going on here that

00:51:34.869 --> 00:51:38.130
none of us know about. So, Lisa, did you see

00:51:38.130 --> 00:51:41.150
the link that I put in the notes? I'm sorry.

00:51:41.309 --> 00:51:43.969
I did not, Travis. Oh, that's OK. That's OK.

00:51:44.110 --> 00:51:47.090
So I'll just just for a little breakdown. So

00:51:47.090 --> 00:51:49.590
on the White House website, they have like a

00:51:49.590 --> 00:51:51.530
timeline of like the history of events. And it

00:51:51.530 --> 00:51:54.179
starts out pretty normal with like. we built

00:51:54.179 --> 00:51:56.539
the white house and then we had the the fire

00:51:56.539 --> 00:51:58.880
in the war of 1812 and then we rebuilt the white

00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:00.739
house and then like we added the east wing and

00:52:00.739 --> 00:52:03.880
we added the west wing and then it gets to um

00:52:03.880 --> 00:52:09.679
the uh obama administration and they're like

00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:14.579
that jumps way to the way forward well they i

00:52:14.579 --> 00:52:17.199
mean they to be fair they do have like nine pages

00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:20.449
of like history and then it's like like after

00:52:20.449 --> 00:52:23.630
the uh the rose garden being installed it jumps

00:52:23.630 --> 00:52:25.949
to like the obama administration it's like barack

00:52:25.949 --> 00:52:29.150
obama invited the muslim brotherhood into the

00:52:29.150 --> 00:52:30.789
white house and that was just really really bad

00:52:30.789 --> 00:52:32.630
they're terrorists like it literally says this

00:52:32.630 --> 00:52:37.030
on the website and then it goes into uh oh i'm

00:52:37.030 --> 00:52:38.989
sorry the one right before that is bill clinton

00:52:38.989 --> 00:52:44.230
got had his affair in the local office yeah and

00:52:44.230 --> 00:52:49.119
then it jumps to uh a picture of hunter biden

00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:51.260
falling asleep in the bathtub it's that picture

00:52:51.260 --> 00:52:52.780
that's been all over the internet and they and

00:52:52.780 --> 00:52:55.219
it's like hey we found cocaine in the white house

00:52:55.219 --> 00:52:58.960
this must have been joe biden's son like and

00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:02.559
then it's uh well you know i want to say they

00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:05.480
do this jump too right i mean they go from and

00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:07.340
they kind of act like well this just is a normal

00:53:07.340 --> 00:53:09.159
flow right but if you look at like they talk

00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:10.699
about the total quote -unquote reconstruction

00:53:10.699 --> 00:53:13.170
that was done with with truman right so that

00:53:13.170 --> 00:53:16.110
was 1948 and they jumped in 1970 right they don't

00:53:16.110 --> 00:53:17.809
really notice that oh that was like that was

00:53:17.809 --> 00:53:20.670
a long time it's a pretty big gap but also like

00:53:20.670 --> 00:53:23.150
they don't talk at all about how that truman

00:53:23.150 --> 00:53:25.210
reconstruction was like the place was running

00:53:25.210 --> 00:53:28.800
down and also there was a huge like they put

00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:32.019
truman as like truman did it but really that

00:53:32.019 --> 00:53:34.219
was a whole effort by the whole like historical

00:53:34.219 --> 00:53:36.239
i don't know all the names technical names of

00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:38.780
all this these groups that do this kind of architecture

00:53:38.780 --> 00:53:41.480
you know this heritage architecture kind of stuff

00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:45.059
of dc i mean truman was just happened to be the

00:53:45.059 --> 00:53:47.320
president at that time it wasn't like his project

00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:51.940
this was like you know a huge i mean he you know

00:53:51.940 --> 00:53:54.559
these other groups and these these outside you

00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:57.900
know experts that that kind of worry about this

00:53:57.900 --> 00:54:00.579
history beyond one president worked on that project

00:54:00.579 --> 00:54:02.119
and then they kind of jumped like you say these

00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:04.579
other things that are like what is the bill clinton

00:54:04.579 --> 00:54:07.760
you know monica lewinsky thing have to do with

00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:09.739
rebuilding the white house that's super weird

00:54:09.739 --> 00:54:14.860
well that to me is like why are you so obsessed

00:54:14.860 --> 00:54:17.360
with owning the left like why is like why is

00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:19.400
that your entire personality and why is that

00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:21.679
what you're going to put on the website and then

00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:23.960
it's like okay so you have i think one of the

00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:27.199
last items on the timeline was the trans visibility

00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:29.860
day of awareness where the trans woman took her

00:54:29.860 --> 00:54:32.119
top off on the white house lawn and i'm like

00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:36.500
did you include the uh shaman on january 6th

00:54:36.500 --> 00:54:38.320
that was running around without a shirt on because

00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:40.139
you really wanted to obsess over someone not

00:54:40.139 --> 00:54:43.170
wearing a shirt like i don't understand why you're

00:54:43.170 --> 00:54:45.369
not including your side in that like it's just

00:54:45.369 --> 00:54:48.789
it's one of those things where i'm like politics

00:54:48.789 --> 00:54:51.329
is messy and i get that but it's like you were

00:54:51.329 --> 00:54:55.090
you were literally taking like one of the most

00:54:55.090 --> 00:54:59.869
iconic legacies of like a building right and

00:54:59.869 --> 00:55:03.829
being so gross about it like i don't like this

00:55:03.829 --> 00:55:06.190
idea that like someone in the trump administration

00:55:06.190 --> 00:55:08.510
was like yeah let's put this on the website like

00:55:08.510 --> 00:55:12.239
i i don't i i don't get it Right. I mean, they

00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:13.860
could have they could have clearly had a whole

00:55:13.860 --> 00:55:15.500
bunch of if they wanted to, like they switch

00:55:15.500 --> 00:55:18.739
from this idea of. of literally kind of construction

00:55:18.739 --> 00:55:21.239
around the White House to this, like, you know,

00:55:21.260 --> 00:55:23.019
scandals around the White House. Like if they

00:55:23.019 --> 00:55:24.880
were going to switch to historical events that

00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:26.480
were significant, there's all kinds of things,

00:55:26.500 --> 00:55:28.099
you know, different signings, you know, there

00:55:28.099 --> 00:55:30.000
was different treaties signed and stuff like

00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:31.880
that you could put in this list, right? But yeah,

00:55:31.940 --> 00:55:33.739
then they picked this weird thing with Bill Clinton,

00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:37.059
the Muslim Brotherhood. And then I love the photo

00:55:37.059 --> 00:55:40.119
of Hunter Biden in the bathtub with a cigarette

00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:45.289
hanging out of his mouth. My God. you know but

00:55:45.289 --> 00:55:47.730
it's this shit that they pick is ridiculous sorry

00:55:47.730 --> 00:55:49.389
i don't know if you're an explicit website you

00:55:49.389 --> 00:55:51.730
want to bleep that yeah no it's every episode's

00:55:51.730 --> 00:55:53.650
explicit i've called i've called christy now

00:55:53.650 --> 00:55:55.489
i'm the c word on my podcast before it's fine

00:55:57.119 --> 00:55:58.400
You know, and then the other thing about it is

00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:00.559
once you get if it's supposedly a timeline, the

00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:02.400
other thing is like, you know, this stuff starts

00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:04.340
to accelerate a lot. Right. You get all these

00:56:04.340 --> 00:56:07.219
things. Like I said, one bullet is 20, 30 years

00:56:07.219 --> 00:56:09.360
apart. And then you get to this end and it's

00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:13.599
like 2025, 2025, 2025, 2025, 2025, 2025. It's

00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:15.960
like all this stuff that he's done in the last

00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:18.739
nine months or whatever. Right. It's like he

00:56:18.739 --> 00:56:20.780
just compresses it all and talk about how wonderful

00:56:20.780 --> 00:56:23.019
it is. Yeah. I mean, they're so wonderful and

00:56:23.019 --> 00:56:24.880
they're so good at everything. They're just really,

00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:33.030
really good. Who is he hiring to do this website?

00:56:34.110 --> 00:56:37.389
I assume Caroline Levitt's brother or something.

00:56:37.429 --> 00:56:40.869
I don't know. Caroline Levitt's kid? I don't,

00:56:40.869 --> 00:56:44.150
yeah. Maybe. I mean, like you say, this could

00:56:44.150 --> 00:56:46.889
be an Onion website. Like once you start switching

00:56:46.889 --> 00:56:48.449
into the Bill Clinton scandal and everything

00:56:48.449 --> 00:56:50.809
that goes after that, this could 100 % be the

00:56:50.809 --> 00:56:53.360
Onion who put this website together. And they're

00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:56.199
so unserious. Like, that's that's the thing is

00:56:56.199 --> 00:56:58.500
like, I'm just like, Diva, you're the president

00:56:58.500 --> 00:57:02.159
of the United States. Like, this is a dot gov

00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:05.679
website. And to Lisa's point, he just doesn't

00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:08.139
get that. Like, he doesn't get the significance

00:57:08.139 --> 00:57:10.739
of that. He doesn't get that he is the president

00:57:10.739 --> 00:57:14.440
of all of the United States. He thinks he's president

00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:18.039
just of the MAGAs. Right. Well, he's president

00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:20.340
of whoever likes him. Yeah. That week. Yeah.

00:57:21.289 --> 00:57:24.349
Maybe. And if you say something he doesn't like,

00:57:24.369 --> 00:57:26.530
he's going to call you piggy or dumb or stupid

00:57:26.530 --> 00:57:30.130
or fake news. Or pull your broadcasting license

00:57:30.130 --> 00:57:34.170
or sue you. Like, whatever. Yeah, it is crazy.

00:57:34.269 --> 00:57:36.949
This is the world we're in now. And like you

00:57:36.949 --> 00:57:38.690
guys were talking about the history. What will

00:57:38.690 --> 00:57:40.909
history look back at this? And you're like, I'm

00:57:40.909 --> 00:57:42.849
just hoping we look back at this and go, what

00:57:42.849 --> 00:57:44.929
were we thinking? Like, how did we let this happen?

00:57:46.739 --> 00:57:49.360
I hope so. You think about the dumbness like

00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:53.659
this is literally, you know, idiocracy, right?

00:57:53.739 --> 00:57:55.659
I mean, this is like idiocracy didn't even go

00:57:55.659 --> 00:58:01.119
this far. But I've wrote all of my topics. I

00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:03.119
feel like I've like I have like one last thing,

00:58:03.179 --> 00:58:04.699
but I want like what's on your guys's list. I

00:58:04.699 --> 00:58:06.119
want to hear I want to hear all of your stuff.

00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:10.679
What do you have, Lise? All of our stuff? No,

00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:13.139
just say anything. Oh, by the way, me and my

00:58:13.139 --> 00:58:15.300
brother have decided to see where it's not bad

00:58:15.300 --> 00:58:19.880
and we used it all weekend. Yes. Be European,

00:58:20.139 --> 00:58:22.239
right? Be English. Just say it all the time.

00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:27.000
Right. Or I think the Aussies do it too. I don't

00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:29.079
think they're bothered by that word. No, they're

00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:31.119
not bothered at all. Gay guys have like taken

00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:33.460
back that word, too. Like I like we scream it

00:58:33.460 --> 00:58:37.900
constantly. So, yeah, I know. And I just feel

00:58:37.900 --> 00:58:40.619
so liberated where I can call my brother the

00:58:40.619 --> 00:58:44.079
C word. Yeah. Proud of you. Not in not in not

00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:46.619
say, hey, you C word. But in a fun way. In a

00:58:46.619 --> 00:58:55.920
fun way. Oh, my God. I love you. Yeah. Let's

00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:58.780
see. What do I have on my list? You know, you

00:58:58.780 --> 00:59:03.019
know, we we're in California. We have Newsom.

00:59:03.059 --> 00:59:07.139
So I always like to talk about one of Newsom's

00:59:07.139 --> 00:59:10.639
trolls against Trump, which are just magical.

00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:14.139
Yes. Even though we don't. Yes. We're not we're

00:59:14.139 --> 00:59:17.860
not lovers of Trump, but I do love that. I do

00:59:17.860 --> 00:59:22.679
love that. He's just going for it. And I'm going

00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:25.579
to just give it to. Give it, give it back to

00:59:25.579 --> 00:59:27.619
them every single time. What was the one that

00:59:27.619 --> 00:59:29.559
you need to, but lately it was like, you need

00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:33.639
to dress appropriately on the airplane. Oh, what

00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:37.099
do you mean? I have to dress appropriately on

00:59:37.099 --> 00:59:40.139
the airplane. That was also on my list. Yeah.

00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:44.630
Yeah. And then. International flights, man. I'm

00:59:44.630 --> 00:59:47.250
putting my sweats on. I'm ready for a nap. What

00:59:47.250 --> 00:59:49.889
are you talking about? Your son was horrified

00:59:49.889 --> 00:59:51.329
when we did an overnight flight and you and I

00:59:51.329 --> 00:59:53.110
showed up in pajamas and he's like, what are

00:59:53.110 --> 00:59:55.949
you doing? You're going to wish you had your

00:59:55.949 --> 00:59:59.510
pajamas on too. And then he shows a picture of

00:59:59.510 --> 01:00:05.210
freaking RFK Jr., the head of our health, walking

01:00:05.210 --> 01:00:08.670
around an airplane barefoot. That's fucking disgusting.

01:00:08.989 --> 01:00:15.039
That's gross. rfk jr is a gem man i gotta tell

01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:20.860
you the gift that keeps on giving i that's another

01:00:20.860 --> 01:00:22.780
one of those things where i look at it i'm like

01:00:22.780 --> 01:00:25.739
is this satire like this this can't be real like

01:00:25.739 --> 01:00:29.219
oh you think beef tallow is is an actual like

01:00:29.219 --> 01:00:31.500
okay that's you're all in on beef tallow you

01:00:31.500 --> 01:00:35.099
are you think vaccines cause autism like okay

01:00:35.099 --> 01:00:38.099
you are you're not a real person like i'm convinced

01:00:38.099 --> 01:00:42.190
of that Well, wait, you're in Kentucky now and

01:00:42.190 --> 01:00:44.929
they've had you've had three children die from

01:00:44.929 --> 01:00:48.449
of measles. No, not measles. Whooping cough,

01:00:48.610 --> 01:00:51.730
right? Oh, because they're not vaccinated. Three

01:00:51.730 --> 01:00:55.010
unvaccinated kids died in Kentucky. That's amazing.

01:00:56.230 --> 01:01:00.670
Isn't Kentucky also where the arc is? Yeah. Oh,

01:01:00.849 --> 01:01:04.449
yeah. The Noah's Ark experience. That's a that's

01:01:04.449 --> 01:01:07.510
a real highlight, too. Have you done that? Have

01:01:07.510 --> 01:01:11.780
you done that yet? So I'm actually in Indianapolis.

01:01:12.260 --> 01:01:14.619
Most of my family is from Kentucky, though. Like

01:01:14.619 --> 01:01:16.340
I still have a ton of family that lives in Kentucky.

01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:21.380
No, I've I've I've never partaken in the Noah's

01:01:21.380 --> 01:01:27.099
Ark experience. And he's a cool town. Yeah, of

01:01:27.099 --> 01:01:30.420
course. And then Megan Kelly is also the other

01:01:30.420 --> 01:01:36.039
gift. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Talking about

01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:38.239
like anything Trump does is OK. Now we're like.

01:01:38.510 --> 01:01:40.670
kind of coming up these weird definitions of

01:01:40.670 --> 01:01:45.110
where you draw the line yeah with that's the

01:01:45.110 --> 01:01:49.849
thing is like megan kelly had had the real opportunity

01:01:49.849 --> 01:01:52.409
to have the world eating out of the palm of her

01:01:52.409 --> 01:01:54.750
hand after the whole fox news fallout situation

01:01:54.750 --> 01:01:59.849
and lord have mercy you want to talk about someone

01:01:59.849 --> 01:02:02.610
who squandered an opportunity like that is that's

01:02:02.610 --> 01:02:07.170
rough like and it gets more disgusting when she

01:02:07.170 --> 01:02:12.090
has a 15 year old daughter yeah it it does and

01:02:12.090 --> 01:02:17.130
that's do do i i think part of the problem is

01:02:17.130 --> 01:02:19.530
she she is one of these people she's similar

01:02:19.530 --> 01:02:22.429
to tucker carlson in this way where i don't think

01:02:22.429 --> 01:02:24.389
she thinks before something comes out of her

01:02:24.389 --> 01:02:25.929
mouth and like she's just talking and talking

01:02:25.929 --> 01:02:28.610
and talking and talking because like you i think

01:02:28.610 --> 01:02:30.889
i when i watched the clip i was like oh this

01:02:30.889 --> 01:02:32.590
is where she realized what came out of her mouth

01:02:32.590 --> 01:02:36.349
and she started writing it back yeah but i'm

01:02:36.349 --> 01:02:39.119
like The fact that it came out of your mouth

01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:41.460
lets me know like, oh, you're you're willing

01:02:41.460 --> 01:02:43.880
to move the goalposts for Trump in this scenario.

01:02:45.420 --> 01:02:48.059
I'm everything that comes out of your mouth is

01:02:48.059 --> 01:02:49.639
completely irrelevant to me now. I'm like, it's

01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:51.219
not a conversation I'm willing to participate

01:02:51.219 --> 01:02:54.760
in. I can't like that's disgusting. And why is

01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:57.340
she all in on Trump? He he threw her out a long

01:02:57.340 --> 01:03:02.280
time ago. He tossed her to the curb. Yeah, I

01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:05.400
don't. That's. That loyalist thing is something

01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:07.679
that's never made sense to me. Like, I don't

01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:10.719
I don't get it. Yeah, that's the one that's always

01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:12.380
been a challenge for me, too, particularly these

01:03:12.380 --> 01:03:14.920
powerful people that like they know they're going

01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:18.019
to get, you know, I mean, I guess it's the power

01:03:18.019 --> 01:03:20.639
that is driving it. Like they just want to stay

01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:23.159
in power somehow and stay in the power circle

01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:25.800
or whatever. But like historically, like he screws

01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:29.539
everyone over eventually. And, you know, it's

01:03:29.539 --> 01:03:31.219
the classic the leopard's not going to eat my

01:03:31.219 --> 01:03:35.400
face off. I can't believe the leopards ate her

01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:41.179
face like and that's like I and I guess like

01:03:41.179 --> 01:03:45.039
I to what end and I'm like if if you really take

01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:48.360
someone who like who has done this kind of well

01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:50.500
it's Kamala Harris where she's been very honest

01:03:50.500 --> 01:03:54.960
about her relationship with Joe Biden and she

01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:56.679
still likes the guy and that's all well and good

01:03:56.679 --> 01:03:58.139
like and she's gone on the book tour and talked

01:03:58.139 --> 01:04:01.880
about like yeah like we we fought a lot and At

01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:04.039
the end of the day, like I still respect him,

01:04:04.099 --> 01:04:06.500
but like our relationship is complicated. And

01:04:06.500 --> 01:04:08.500
I think like you just have to be honest about

01:04:08.500 --> 01:04:10.500
it. Like these people that are so delusional

01:04:10.500 --> 01:04:13.980
about this notion of Donald Trump can do no wrong.

01:04:14.059 --> 01:04:17.920
I simply will never understand that because I'm

01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:21.639
like, we've we've watched him turn on. One of

01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:23.860
his most vehement supporters in Marjorie Taylor

01:04:23.860 --> 01:04:25.920
Greene. And, you know, what's interesting is

01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:28.139
like the left hated Marjorie Taylor Greene for

01:04:28.139 --> 01:04:32.440
what she was in Congress for five years and.

01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:36.460
Hated her the entire time. MAGA hates her for

01:04:36.460 --> 01:04:40.320
two weeks and she's had to hire security. Yeah,

01:04:40.340 --> 01:04:42.219
well, now she knows what it's like. She has a

01:04:42.219 --> 01:04:45.239
little taste of what she was dishing out. Yeah,

01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:48.269
well, it's in as part of that whole. You know,

01:04:48.269 --> 01:04:49.989
the left is the violent side, right? I mean,

01:04:50.010 --> 01:04:52.670
we talk ourselves into these ideas. The lunatic

01:04:52.670 --> 01:05:00.010
left. Yeah. The radical left. Yeah. Yeah. And

01:05:00.010 --> 01:05:01.570
we have to kind of get out of using this kind

01:05:01.570 --> 01:05:05.449
of language. No, of course we do. Of course we

01:05:05.449 --> 01:05:10.429
do. It doesn't represent anyone real. Say it

01:05:10.429 --> 01:05:12.150
again. I was just saying it doesn't represent

01:05:12.150 --> 01:05:14.250
anyone real. Like it's all just a caricature

01:05:14.250 --> 01:05:18.440
of this idea that doesn't really exist. No, it

01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:21.559
doesn't. But what I do want to because Lisa mentioned

01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:24.159
it, Sean Duffy telling people to dress up for

01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:26.199
flights like when he came out and said what he

01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:29.179
said about travel, I thought that was the most

01:05:29.179 --> 01:05:32.380
wild concept anyone has. Like, you were really

01:05:32.380 --> 01:05:35.239
brave in this economy right now to start talking

01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:37.739
about what people need to do on flights. Like,

01:05:37.739 --> 01:05:44.090
I have to tell you, I will. I will show up to

01:05:44.090 --> 01:05:46.289
the airport in joggers and like a Lululemon t

01:05:46.289 --> 01:05:48.050
-shirt and like that is the best you're getting

01:05:48.050 --> 01:05:50.769
out of me. I'm not interested in like interacting

01:05:50.769 --> 01:05:53.090
with anyone. I'm not interested in this whole

01:05:53.090 --> 01:05:55.630
notion that like we have to be kind to like other

01:05:55.630 --> 01:06:02.030
travelers. Like, no, you're insane. Well, I'm

01:06:02.030 --> 01:06:04.269
not there. I'm not there to, you know, make new

01:06:04.269 --> 01:06:07.469
friends. I need to get to my just my destination.

01:06:08.090 --> 01:06:11.539
But I want you to be clean. Just be clean. I

01:06:11.539 --> 01:06:14.260
don't want you to show up in the in the joggers

01:06:14.260 --> 01:06:16.019
and the lemon shirt you've been working out in

01:06:16.019 --> 01:06:18.059
all weekend. And no one wants to hear your music

01:06:18.059 --> 01:06:19.780
either. So you can keep that in your headphones.

01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:23.519
No, I'm going to be so for real with you. I don't

01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:27.239
care. Like, I'm going to. Well, no, like, that's

01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:29.900
for me, though. Like, I'm just like, I have I

01:06:29.900 --> 01:06:33.019
have my headphones in. I'm not paying attention

01:06:33.019 --> 01:06:34.840
to anything that's going on around me. And like

01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:38.039
these. These issues that people run into at the

01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:39.780
airport, I'm like, these are self -inflicted

01:06:39.780 --> 01:06:41.760
issues. Like if people can mind their own business

01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:43.920
for the most part, like we're probably going

01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:48.119
to be cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I mean,

01:06:48.119 --> 01:06:49.840
everybody's got their quirks. You do your thing.

01:06:49.880 --> 01:06:52.920
I'll do my thing. We're all good. Yes. I just

01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:54.880
want to be showered when you come. I don't want

01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:56.460
to sit next to you if you haven't showered in

01:06:56.460 --> 01:06:58.900
a while. Showering is helpful. Like I cannot

01:06:58.900 --> 01:07:00.880
imagine unless you're a sociopath, you're not

01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:02.519
showing or you're showing up to the airport without

01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:05.909
a shower. Yeah. And like you say, I don't care

01:07:05.909 --> 01:07:10.449
what you're wearing. Just just be clean. Stay

01:07:10.449 --> 01:07:13.230
in your zone, though, a little bit like don't

01:07:13.230 --> 01:07:17.190
want to use all the space. Sure. But that comes

01:07:17.190 --> 01:07:18.889
with minding your own business. I'm going to

01:07:18.889 --> 01:07:21.130
sit here. I'm going to like read my book. I'm

01:07:21.130 --> 01:07:23.130
going to play on my iPad. I'm going to take a

01:07:23.130 --> 01:07:25.750
nap and I'm not going to bother anyone. But like,

01:07:25.789 --> 01:07:28.130
I do want to know when Sean Duffy like got on

01:07:28.130 --> 01:07:29.969
the TV and said what he was saying about like,

01:07:30.010 --> 01:07:31.769
we need to bring civility back to flying. Who

01:07:31.769 --> 01:07:35.059
was that for? Who are we doing that for? Yeah,

01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:36.480
I do want to know that. Who's the audience for

01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:41.019
that? He had some sort of encounter the day before

01:07:41.019 --> 01:07:44.840
that he didn't like. Some girl probably was wearing

01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:46.880
a very small T -shirt and it was too distracting

01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:50.570
for him. Probably. He wants her to wear more

01:07:50.570 --> 01:07:53.130
clothes. That's what it is. Could be. Even if

01:07:53.130 --> 01:07:54.789
that's not what it is, that's what I believe

01:07:54.789 --> 01:07:57.130
it is. Well, you know, we we used to go to a

01:07:57.130 --> 01:07:59.190
lot of trade shows and stuff. And out here we

01:07:59.190 --> 01:08:01.409
have like these shows like Comdex and these other

01:08:01.409 --> 01:08:03.849
ones in Vegas. Right. And often they overlap

01:08:03.849 --> 01:08:08.690
with like some big porn awards thing. So you'd

01:08:08.690 --> 01:08:10.590
fly in and out of Vegas and there's like all

01:08:10.590 --> 01:08:13.409
the, you know, porn stars are there on the plane.

01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:15.760
Almost nothing. Nothing, right. Well, because

01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:17.300
they're going straight from the plane to work.

01:08:18.100 --> 01:08:20.060
Yeah, I guess. Well, it goes straight to the

01:08:20.060 --> 01:08:24.460
plane to the trade show floor. We did that all

01:08:24.460 --> 01:08:26.800
the time. Well, that's true. Yeah, yeah. And

01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:28.439
there was definitely people on the plane that

01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:31.380
were not comfortable with that. No. I found it

01:08:31.380 --> 01:08:33.079
just kind of entertaining. I'm also like, good

01:08:33.079 --> 01:08:34.960
for these girls. They're going straight to work,

01:08:35.039 --> 01:08:39.359
man. Whatever. Good for them. I love that. They're

01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:41.680
not the ones making the problem. You are. Right,

01:08:41.699 --> 01:08:43.479
exactly. Like you say, it's self -inflicted.

01:08:43.869 --> 01:08:49.930
Right. There is. What do you have, honey? I've

01:08:49.930 --> 01:08:54.210
covered my stuff. I'm all good. Cool. Lisa, did

01:08:54.210 --> 01:08:57.689
you have anything else? I could go on forever.

01:08:57.890 --> 01:09:03.949
I've got a long list of shit. We can go on forever

01:09:03.949 --> 01:09:06.409
just on the Housewives themselves and I don't

01:09:06.409 --> 01:09:12.380
even watch it anymore. So I that's I got to tell

01:09:12.380 --> 01:09:13.760
you, that's something if you've ever listened

01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:15.659
to my show, that is something that I will talk

01:09:15.659 --> 01:09:19.539
about to no end. And like, I, I do get the argument

01:09:19.539 --> 01:09:21.939
that they're not they're not great people in

01:09:21.939 --> 01:09:24.439
a lot of cases, like you were saying earlier.

01:09:24.659 --> 01:09:27.500
But it's something that like I've had to like

01:09:27.500 --> 01:09:29.880
really grapple with where like Jen Shah is getting

01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:31.579
out of prison. And like, I mean, she went to

01:09:31.579 --> 01:09:35.319
prison for literally defrauding vulnerable elderly

01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:37.899
people out of like their social security checks.

01:09:38.180 --> 01:09:42.149
And I'm like. Can I still watch her on the real

01:09:42.149 --> 01:09:44.050
house of Salt Lake City if she does come back?

01:09:44.090 --> 01:09:46.090
And like, I think that is a very fair assessment

01:09:46.090 --> 01:09:50.149
where it's like you. Like you can make the argument

01:09:50.149 --> 01:09:51.909
of separating the art from the artist in a lot

01:09:51.909 --> 01:09:55.609
of cases, but I'm like, oh, I don't I don't know

01:09:55.609 --> 01:09:57.069
if I could separate that. I think that's very

01:09:57.069 --> 01:10:01.350
fair, Lisa. Yeah, because you're actually paying

01:10:01.350 --> 01:10:05.329
her. Your your time is money for them. Your eyes

01:10:05.329 --> 01:10:07.909
are money for them. So you're actually paying

01:10:07.909 --> 01:10:12.340
her. She doesn't deserve your money. I'm just

01:10:12.340 --> 01:10:16.840
telling you, Travis. She didn't deserve like

01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:22.060
all the old people's money. Exactly. Yeah. You

01:10:22.060 --> 01:10:25.279
can always watch Love After Lockup or 90 Day

01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:27.079
Fiance. Those are good. Those are good shows.

01:10:27.180 --> 01:10:30.960
There's nothing wrong with those. Listen, I'll

01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:33.140
watch 90 Day Fiance all day long. And like Love

01:10:33.140 --> 01:10:35.180
After Lockup is something like during COVID,

01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:40.789
I got deep into that show. That's so funny because

01:10:40.789 --> 01:10:44.729
we got deep into like some very bizarre documentaries.

01:10:44.930 --> 01:10:47.930
Not only, you know, of course, Tiger King, everyone

01:10:47.930 --> 01:10:53.909
got involved in that. Love Tiger King. So, of

01:10:53.909 --> 01:10:58.189
course, you watch Chimp Crazy, right? No, what

01:10:58.189 --> 01:11:02.090
was Chimp Crazy? Made by the same people. Okay.

01:11:02.289 --> 01:11:07.649
This lady hid a chimp from PETA. Actually, a

01:11:07.649 --> 01:11:12.060
very large chimp. I think you would enjoy it.

01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:15.220
I'll check it out. And it's also a lot of my

01:11:15.220 --> 01:11:17.420
monkey's not going to tear my face off. Right.

01:11:17.500 --> 01:11:20.100
And there are some faces that have been torn

01:11:20.100 --> 01:11:24.460
off. Beautiful. Yeah. So Chimp Crazy was another

01:11:24.460 --> 01:11:27.439
one. And Don't Fuck With Cats. Those are, I mean,

01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:30.079
those are the style of documentaries we got into

01:11:30.079 --> 01:11:33.380
at Gov. I love that. Speaking of the Tiger King.

01:11:33.399 --> 01:11:35.840
Don't Fuck With Cats, right? I've seen that one.

01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:38.979
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Good. Speaking of Tiger King.

01:11:40.080 --> 01:11:42.800
Speaking of Tiger King, he's an interesting case

01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:44.359
because he's the one that's been like begging

01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:46.439
Donald Trump for a pardon. And it would appear

01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:48.619
that Donald Trump will pardon literally anyone

01:11:48.619 --> 01:11:52.239
except for the Tiger King. And why? And why?

01:11:52.380 --> 01:11:56.380
Because the Tiger King, I mean, I mean, I don't

01:11:56.380 --> 01:11:58.840
know why he wouldn't pardon him because he would

01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:03.369
get a lot of publicity. i don't know like that

01:12:03.369 --> 01:12:05.250
like i mean that was the thing though is he had

01:12:05.250 --> 01:12:08.489
a limo waiting outside of his jail like for like

01:12:08.489 --> 01:12:10.729
waiting for that pardon and like they were like

01:12:10.729 --> 01:12:15.630
that's that's not happening like yeah yeah it's

01:12:15.630 --> 01:12:18.109
unfortunate i don't know yeah i mean it's weird

01:12:18.109 --> 01:12:19.829
they don't see some like you say some political

01:12:19.829 --> 01:12:21.810
advantage to it because like you say that it

01:12:21.810 --> 01:12:24.590
would be a lot less you know bad than a lot of

01:12:24.590 --> 01:12:27.100
the other people he's pardoned Yeah, I mean,

01:12:27.140 --> 01:12:29.579
if you can let all the January six people off,

01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:32.140
you can let the Tiger King off, like let let

01:12:32.140 --> 01:12:36.579
him run his zoo. It can only be stuffed animals

01:12:36.579 --> 01:12:39.600
now. He's not allowed to have any of getting

01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:42.739
permits to have exotic animals. But I would love

01:12:42.739 --> 01:12:45.760
to see. I don't think he ever had a permit. No,

01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:48.500
that's true. But I mean, he was also on camera

01:12:48.500 --> 01:12:53.060
and he did a he did a couple of. reality shows

01:12:53.060 --> 01:12:55.699
before tiger king because he was did the whole

01:12:55.699 --> 01:13:00.460
um he was in louis louisiana right i don't know

01:13:00.460 --> 01:13:04.039
could be somewhere louisiana or yeah it had to

01:13:04.039 --> 01:13:06.500
have been louisiana because it wasn't maybe mississippi

01:13:06.500 --> 01:13:08.800
i don't know right and he was making this big

01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:10.739
deal about what a hickey was and but but he was

01:13:10.739 --> 01:13:13.720
marrying this man and i know he's married two

01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:16.659
men and that was so shocking and we're like going

01:13:16.659 --> 01:13:22.430
okay Why are you freaking out? OK, it's just

01:13:22.430 --> 01:13:25.810
for this show. And but who so you never know

01:13:25.810 --> 01:13:29.109
what the story is about. Yeah, he was he was

01:13:29.109 --> 01:13:33.869
just he wanted publicity so bad. Yeah, it was

01:13:33.869 --> 01:13:37.289
publicity. It was like his third try at some

01:13:37.289 --> 01:13:42.149
sort of documentary show about his life. And

01:13:42.149 --> 01:13:44.630
that was that was the thing is like, I remember

01:13:44.630 --> 01:13:46.850
watching that and I was like, this guy is like.

01:13:47.180 --> 01:13:49.359
you could write like an entire sociology paper

01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:54.300
on him because like he's so bizarre and this

01:13:54.300 --> 01:13:57.039
like obsession he had with carol baskin and like

01:13:57.039 --> 01:14:02.060
i'm like who is this diva And then like you find

01:14:02.060 --> 01:14:04.140
out that he like was dating the guy that ended

01:14:04.140 --> 01:14:06.520
up like blowing his brains out. Like, but like

01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:08.300
he was married to the other guy. And like the

01:14:08.300 --> 01:14:11.020
guy that like accidentally shot himself was also

01:14:11.020 --> 01:14:13.640
like straight, I guess, like ostensibly. The

01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:17.340
whole thing is so crazy. And that kid's mom was

01:14:17.340 --> 01:14:20.880
still hanging out with the tiger king. And you're

01:14:20.880 --> 01:14:26.399
like, honey, honey, you're oh, oh, yeah. she

01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:29.640
needed a hug bad and she needed to be into the

01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:32.359
car and driven away she needed someone to hold

01:14:32.359 --> 01:14:34.420
her hand and like look her dead in the eye and

01:14:34.420 --> 01:14:36.399
just say a couple things she needed to hear because

01:14:36.399 --> 01:14:39.520
that was rough right what are you still doing

01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:42.739
here yeah you're you mean your son is gone but

01:14:42.739 --> 01:14:45.359
you're still sitting here i i don't know to me

01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:50.619
that was just yeah What else? What else, you

01:14:50.619 --> 01:14:52.899
guys? You need to watch Chim Crazy and then get

01:14:52.899 --> 01:14:55.579
back to us. I will absolutely watch Chim Crazy.

01:14:55.979 --> 01:15:00.720
Was it on Netflix? I think it was on HBO, actually.

01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:03.600
I will add it to my list right now. You probably

01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:07.319
can get it almost anywhere, but wow, she's magic.

01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:10.239
From the moment they start her on the camera,

01:15:10.340 --> 01:15:14.000
you're looking at that hair and those lips that

01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:17.310
she's... have blown up and you're like oh yeah

01:15:17.310 --> 01:15:21.710
this is this is gonna be a good ride for all

01:15:21.710 --> 01:15:25.590
my talks for all my talk of dissing like reality

01:15:25.590 --> 01:15:28.890
shows one of my uh guilty pleasures for a while

01:15:28.890 --> 01:15:30.829
was like animal planet had this show and it was

01:15:30.829 --> 01:15:32.369
more like a you can almost say it's like a cop

01:15:32.369 --> 01:15:35.229
show almost but it was like all these people

01:15:35.229 --> 01:15:39.710
that had wild animals you know as pets and They

01:15:39.710 --> 01:15:41.369
all say the exact same thing, you know, talking

01:15:41.369 --> 01:15:43.489
about my leopard's not going to eat my face off.

01:15:43.529 --> 01:15:45.770
They all basically say that, right? My alligator's

01:15:45.770 --> 01:15:48.399
dead. All these experts would tell him, you can't

01:15:48.399 --> 01:15:50.260
keep this animal. It's going to kill you someday.

01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:52.619
It's like, oh, no, you don't understand. My tiger

01:15:52.619 --> 01:15:55.020
loves me. My tiger is not going to eat my face

01:15:55.020 --> 01:15:56.859
off. And they all say that. And they all got

01:15:56.859 --> 01:15:59.140
killed in this show. Everyone got eaten. Oh,

01:15:59.199 --> 01:16:01.840
yeah. No, we had a guy in my neighbor. Not well,

01:16:01.880 --> 01:16:03.500
my neighborhood. I say that loosely because I

01:16:03.500 --> 01:16:05.180
live out in the country. But like we had a guy

01:16:05.180 --> 01:16:08.279
growing up in my neighborhood who kept a bear

01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:11.279
like a big brown bear in his backyard, like in

01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:13.960
like a fenced in cage situation that was like

01:16:13.960 --> 01:16:20.270
probably. ten by six and they were like the like

01:16:20.270 --> 01:16:22.369
the county was out to his house several times

01:16:22.369 --> 01:16:26.510
being like sir you will die like this like and

01:16:26.510 --> 01:16:29.289
i guess like in the state of indiana it's totally

01:16:29.289 --> 01:16:32.069
legal to have a bear as a pet like there's like

01:16:32.069 --> 01:16:36.250
fine okay great but you so he had this bear in

01:16:36.250 --> 01:16:40.649
his backyard and he like and then the one of

01:16:40.649 --> 01:16:44.199
the the kid who i went to school with like And

01:16:44.199 --> 01:16:45.920
he came to school one day and they were like,

01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:47.859
yeah, my dad's in the hospital because the bear

01:16:47.859 --> 01:16:52.960
like slashed his chest open. Oh, my gosh. One

01:16:52.960 --> 01:16:55.380
of these one of these people had a like a Komodo

01:16:55.380 --> 01:16:57.960
dragon that they were that was their pet. And

01:16:57.960 --> 01:16:59.539
it was, you know, the classic, you know, like

01:16:59.539 --> 01:17:02.260
my Komodo dragon loves me. My Komodo dragon is

01:17:02.260 --> 01:17:04.920
not going to kill me. you know the dragon doesn't

01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:07.460
have feelings it's a dinosaur it does not have

01:17:07.460 --> 01:17:10.439
feelings no and uh you know so the guy was missing

01:17:10.439 --> 01:17:12.500
like for a while they finally did like a whatever

01:17:12.500 --> 01:17:14.880
you call it to self the check they do that wellness

01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:17.159
check they did a wellness check on him and this

01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:20.180
is well i bet this dragon was just had been munching

01:17:20.180 --> 01:17:22.239
on him for like a week dragon was dragon was

01:17:22.239 --> 01:17:24.220
well there was like half of him left but the

01:17:24.220 --> 01:17:26.119
dragon was just like i'll save this part for

01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:31.069
tomorrow munching them up that's that's one of

01:17:31.069 --> 01:17:33.489
those things i i look at people that keep reptiles

01:17:33.489 --> 01:17:36.170
as pets like where they have like like full blood

01:17:36.170 --> 01:17:38.449
like out of snakes or one thing but like that's

01:17:38.449 --> 01:17:40.750
still like weird for me but like i look at reptiles

01:17:40.750 --> 01:17:43.170
and i'm like no one really talks about how i

01:17:43.170 --> 01:17:46.569
wholeheartedly believe that those are like like

01:17:46.569 --> 01:17:49.189
just dinosaurs that have evolved like you cannot

01:17:49.189 --> 01:17:51.390
tell me that these komodo dragons are not like

01:17:51.390 --> 01:17:57.550
of this world like so Like, there's no way, there's

01:17:57.550 --> 01:18:00.090
no way I'd keep one of those as a pet. No way.

01:18:00.609 --> 01:18:05.449
There's nothing pet like a reptile. Reptiles

01:18:05.449 --> 01:18:08.470
aren't cuddly. They're not fun to pet. They don't,

01:18:08.470 --> 01:18:11.130
they don't fetch. They care about you less than

01:18:11.130 --> 01:18:14.409
a cat does. Yeah. And they're like, they feel

01:18:14.409 --> 01:18:18.449
weird. And like, I, it's, I've, I've never. And

01:18:18.449 --> 01:18:23.159
you have to feed them live animals. But if you

01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:26.539
are keeping a list, I also highly recommend Cat

01:18:26.539 --> 01:18:30.340
Dancer. Cat Dancer. Cat Dancer. And it's about

01:18:30.340 --> 01:18:34.840
two ballerinas. Cat Dancer. It's about two ballet

01:18:34.840 --> 01:18:39.659
people who are ballerinas, a man and a wife.

01:18:40.239 --> 01:18:45.539
And they decided to bring tigers into their act.

01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:51.869
Found it. On Amazon. There it is. There you go.

01:18:51.930 --> 01:18:53.989
That's on the list. There you go. There you go.

01:18:54.270 --> 01:18:58.350
And it's, it's a boy that, that story took some

01:18:58.350 --> 01:19:01.010
turns. You're like, wait, wait, what? Yeah. I

01:19:01.010 --> 01:19:02.970
didn't see that coming. I didn't see that coming.

01:19:03.029 --> 01:19:06.510
There was a couple of that guy. Yeah. Yeah. I

01:19:06.510 --> 01:19:11.970
can't wait. That's another one that. Just when

01:19:11.970 --> 01:19:13.449
you think, you know, what's happening. Right.

01:19:14.409 --> 01:19:21.289
Exactly. Like, who's that? Beautiful. Yeah. Cool.

01:19:21.810 --> 01:19:23.310
What else? Do you guys have anything else on

01:19:23.310 --> 01:19:27.970
your list to throw at the people? No, I think

01:19:27.970 --> 01:19:30.250
I think I think I've exhausted my list for tonight.

01:19:30.329 --> 01:19:32.970
At least I got like 25 things, but nothing interesting.

01:19:33.909 --> 01:19:36.689
Nothing worth talking about. More politics. Yeah.

01:19:36.949 --> 01:19:39.729
Yeah. Well, you guys can come on when you come

01:19:39.729 --> 01:19:41.470
on to come back on whenever you want. I'm going

01:19:41.470 --> 01:19:43.329
to need to fill in a couple more spots before

01:19:43.329 --> 01:19:46.949
Emma comes back. But this has been such a blast.

01:19:47.069 --> 01:19:48.909
Like tell the plug your show. Tell the people

01:19:48.909 --> 01:19:52.989
where they can find you. So This Week in Outrage

01:19:52.989 --> 01:19:55.710
is a podcast you can find on any of your players.

01:19:55.850 --> 01:19:58.409
You can go to outrageoverload .net is our main

01:19:58.409 --> 01:20:00.229
website where we kind of have all the serious

01:20:00.229 --> 01:20:03.210
stuff we do, but also the silly stuff. The silly

01:20:03.210 --> 01:20:04.310
stuff is a little harder to find, but it's on

01:20:04.310 --> 01:20:06.989
there. You can reach out. But yeah, This Week

01:20:06.989 --> 01:20:09.529
in Outrage is on Spotify and Apple and all the

01:20:09.529 --> 01:20:12.350
places. Same with my Outrage Overload show. We

01:20:12.350 --> 01:20:15.810
also do sub stacks. You can get that from there

01:20:15.810 --> 01:20:17.590
if you'd like to read stuff more than. more than

01:20:17.590 --> 01:20:19.989
listen to silly stuff. You can read my stuff.

01:20:20.170 --> 01:20:22.270
And then, yeah, that's pretty much it. All my

01:20:22.270 --> 01:20:24.210
contact info is on there. So fill all of our

01:20:24.210 --> 01:20:26.350
contact info. So you have some idea you'd like

01:20:26.350 --> 01:20:28.409
to talk about. We do our show live on Sunday

01:20:28.409 --> 01:20:31.050
nights. So you can actually chat with us live

01:20:31.050 --> 01:20:34.529
on Substack. So if you want to participate, you

01:20:34.529 --> 01:20:36.590
can just join our Substack and we go live every

01:20:36.590 --> 01:20:40.250
Sunday night. Amazing. Well, thank you so much,

01:20:40.270 --> 01:20:45.430
Lisa. Do you have anything to plug? No, I'll

01:20:45.430 --> 01:20:48.859
be okay. I'm back in town. I've missed a couple

01:20:48.859 --> 01:20:50.920
of shows, but I'm back in town. So I will be,

01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:52.920
I've been saving stuff up for Sunday. I know

01:20:52.920 --> 01:20:54.880
I've been saving stuff up too. So we're going

01:20:54.880 --> 01:20:58.539
to, that show may go a little long. Yeah. Yeah.

01:20:58.819 --> 01:21:01.619
I will. I will listen live. I can't wait. This

01:21:01.619 --> 01:21:04.739
is going to be so cool. Awesome. Well, thank

01:21:04.739 --> 01:21:10.600
you. Thank you so much. And I'm wondering if

01:21:10.600 --> 01:21:14.000
I can get a squeak mail to me. they'll get a

01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:15.800
swig yeah but they have the recipes up there

01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:19.140
so we might try that for um thanksgiving oh that

01:21:19.140 --> 01:21:24.180
sounds disgusting it is okay i've got all the

01:21:24.180 --> 01:21:27.319
rest i've got all the uh ingredients okay all

01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:30.439
right and keep drinking your diet dr pepper i

01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:36.420
can do that yes yeah cool well from indy to wherever

01:21:36.420 --> 01:21:38.760
we love you and thanks for listening