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I'm Travis. And I'm Emma. And this is Bestie

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Approved. Welcome back. Welcome back. We haven't

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recorded since we recorded the collab with Husbands

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Watching Housewives. Did you listen to that?

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For Potomac. No. My audio was fucking trash for

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that. I don't know what was going on, but my

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audio was bad for that. And I think it was the

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room I was in at school. It was yours that was

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bad? Yeah, everyone else sounded amazing. Oh.

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Like I sounded like I was underwater. The first

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one or the second one? Both. The first one I

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was nervous about. So the first one we recorded,

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for those of you who don't know, was the Salt

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Lake City premiere. I was worried about that

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one only because when we were recording, you

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were so much louder than them. But I don't know

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anything about anything. I was like, that's probably.

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So I think and this is part of the problem. I

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have messed around with like trying to figure

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out what app I like because I like the interface

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of the StreamYard app that we used for Potomac.

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I thought that was amazing because like you could

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control like where everyone was. You could throw

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things up on the screen. But that's designed

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for someone like. Like Hassan Piker, who's doing

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like real streams, like with the news and everything,

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because it's they have news layouts, right? And

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then like I the Salt Lake City one was in Riverside.

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What was that? A bird just flew into my window.

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Oh, no. It was like perched on the screen, too.

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OK, sorry. No, but. I hated the interface of

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Riverside. Like, it was so annoying to use, but,

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like, the audio was much better. I didn't really

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have a preference, but you're in, like, a more

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controllable seat than I am in those. Oh, yeah,

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because I'm the one, like, sending out the link

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and everything. Yeah, it's, I mean, I have no

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idea what it looks like on everyone else's end,

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but, like, on my end, like, the stream yard is

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the ideal scenario. But I think if I'm doing

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that, I have to be in like a padded room where

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there's not like a bunch of echoes, because I

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think that's the problem that we've had both

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times. I, too, would love a padded room. What's

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the last song you listen to? Oh, I actually don't

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know. Oh, how boring. I was listening to John

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Mayer. Oh, my God. John Mayer. is dating this

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TikTok lady, allegedly. They were seen out together.

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Kat Stickler, the one who, she does these little

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skits and whatever. I'm not really, that's not

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my cup of tea, whatever. But she, she's known

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because she got this very public divorce. I have

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no idea who you're talking about. Okay, well.

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I believe you. Someone listening will know what

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I'm talking about. Kat Stickler and John Mayer

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is the craziest thing I've ever heard. Do you

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want to know who I also literally just listened

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to? Who? John Mayer. Oh, what did you listen

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to? The Last Train Home by John Mayer. Aww. It's

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such a good song. I love it so much. Mine was

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Daughters, but only because that song makes me

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cry so much. And I was watching Jordan Childs

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dance with her dad. Dating with the Stars to

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that song. And I was like, well, if I'm going

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to cry over it anyway, I might as well listen

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to the whole song. So I did that. You've been

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in a place of cry lately. Like you've been crying.

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Yeah. I can't control my emotions. And that's

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just where I am in the pregnancy of it all. Do

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you know what I did this morning? Tell me what

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you did this morning. So I'm 32 weeks pregnant

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today. And so I scroll down. Okay. So every week

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in my little what to expect app, they give like

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the most common symptoms for that week. And this

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morning I just scrolled right to the bottom to

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see if that was on there. It wasn't. Being deeply

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emotional was not on the most common symptoms.

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So dear listener. I FaceTime Emma this morning

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for our daily seven o 'clock in the morning FaceTime.

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And I. I, I started it like I start every FaceTime

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with her and I was like, hey, how are you? And

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I could tell she'd been crying. And I have been

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crying a lot, but nothing horrible has happened.

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No, no, no, no, no. There's no trouble. But do

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you want to tell do you want to tell the people

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what made you cry this morning? I got home from

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dropping Jack off at school and I said, let me

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watch the Dancing with the Stars episode from

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last night. And it was dedication night. And

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every single one of those fuckers made me cry,

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made me sob. Every single one of them, every

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single one of them. And. I wasn't alone. Like

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there were one of the professional, actually

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her name is Emma, one of the professional dancers

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on the show. It kept cutting to her in tears,

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like for the other people. I was like, girl,

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it was, oh my God. I was moved. I'm, I'm glad

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you were. You were in a move. Dylan Efron and

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his little... Okay, so Dylan and Zac Efron have

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a little five -year -old sister. And instead

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of dedicating his dance to his famous brother,

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he danced with her. And he was like... When she

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was born, it was just like this unlimited love

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and she loves me and I can tell. And she was

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a little, she's five and she's like so well -spoken

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and cute. Oh my God. I couldn't, I couldn't deal.

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Not to mention Robert Irwin dedicated his to

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his mom. Oh, I was a disaster. He was crying.

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I was crying. Everyone's crying. I want Dylan

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Efron to dedicate a dance to me. Really bad.

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Me too. Also, maybe Robert Irwin. How old is

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he? Like 23? He's very young, but it doesn't

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matter. He's older than 18. Well, I'm going to

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cut that. Okay. What do we have on the list today?

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Oh, do you have any other pregnancy updates?

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Any other? Just that I'll be. Oh, I wasn't even

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asking about that. Oh, I thought you were trying

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to get me to say it. No, we can't even talk about

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that. Well, sure. I don't really have. OK, I

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don't know when I'm going to stop recording.

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OK, I'm big and I'm pregnant, but it is not physically

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taxing to make podcast like for me. I don't know

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when I'm going to be done. The thing is, I've

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just been like exhausted and I fear you can tell.

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And I'm like a short fuse and I'm very emotional.

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So in the next couple of weeks will probably

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be my last episode pre hiatus. But when the baby

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is born, I can like record a little blurb. Yeah,

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whatever you want. I think I can tell you're

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exhausted. I think. Dear listener, I don't know

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if you just like have come to expect this of

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us of being wildly unprofessional and just like

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doing our thing. But I think that's I think that's

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part of the charm of Travis and Emma. But like

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I have started to feel. Not guilty, but I'm like,

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I feel like. I don't want you to feel like you

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have to like record because I'm like, OK, good,

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OK, good. I don't feel like I have to. I just.

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I don't know. It's a mixture of obviously my

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body is working really hard to fatten up this

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baby and whatever. It's doing a great job. Stealing

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everything from me. Oh, oh, that's the update.

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The last ultrasound I got showed that he's on

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track to be 10 pounds if I make it full term.

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So he needs to chill out. Number one. Number

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two, I'm not sleeping well. So like those two

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together, I'm just like a shell of a human. But

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it's fine. I'm fine. I moved the couch because

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I wanted to see how the rug looks in here so

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bad. And I couldn't wait for Kenny to get home.

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And he called me and he was like, are you OK?

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And I was like, no. What were you just so exhausted

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from moving the. Well, yeah, I'm not supposed

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to do that. I'm not supposed to move a sectional.

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And, like, I had to pick it up to put the rug

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underneath it. Why? Emma, you should have waited

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for me to get here. Well, I did it anyway. And

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I don't know. I also have this thing of, like,

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I don't like feeling helpless. Like, I don't

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like it. I feel like a waste of space. And so

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I don't know. I have some inner work to do. I

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think you do. But dear listener, at some point,

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just know Emma's going to be taking a break.

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I'm going to continue recording. I've got a few

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guest hosts lined up. I've got my cousin Taylor

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is very excited to come on the pod. She's so

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excited. My podcast friend Jordan. And then I

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have a sidekick that's coming on. Did I tell

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you about this? No. Oh, yeah. Like some sidekick

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from like the. from the pod match thing that

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i the hot alex from podcast movement like runs

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this thing called pod match where like he matches

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guests with hoes oh and it's really really cool

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and i like i got it i got a pop -up from like

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some psychic on there and she was like y 'all

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come on your show you and emma sound great and

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i love your friendship and i was like cool done

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oh my god did you see the long island medium

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is doing a show in indie like Soon? No, do you

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want to go? Yeah. Okay. I'm all in. I don't care

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if she's fake. I would love to go. I, yeah. Listen,

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I kind of believe in psychics. I do too. I think

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she is a quack. You know who I don't think is

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a quack? Tyler Henry. We've talked about Tyler

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Henry before. I think he's the real thing. You

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can't convince me otherwise. That's a reminder

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for my ultrasound and OB appointment that I have

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on Friday. Yay. Yay. We also had your baby shower.

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Yeah. Yeah. Did you have a good time? I did.

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Good. I honestly wish I would have done it like

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a month sooner. Why? I didn't realize like. How

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in pain my body was going to be. I could tell

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you didn't want to get out of the chair. They're

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calling again because it's too important. Oh,

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okay. I didn't, I could tell you like didn't

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want to get out of the chair. That's why I kept

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being like, let me, let me get this for you.

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Let me get this for you. It's just like my feet

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hurt constantly. And like, I can tell I'm walking.

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like with a waddle and I just, I'm over it. I'm

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over it. I have officially gotten to the point

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where I'm done. Like get them out. I, yeah, but

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I think. Oh, we met. We made a new listener.

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Hadn't found a new listener. I don't know. Tori,

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your friend. So if you're listening, Tori, shout

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out. Hi. Hi, Tori. She's wonderful. You know

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how we told her we were like the early episodes

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were really us trying to figure it out. Why did

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she text me about remember the kindy 500? Oh,

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Jesus Christ. She was like, I'm listening to

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you complain about the Kindy 500. I'm rolling.

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And I was like. That was like episode two or

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three. That was like so early. You absolutely

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started from the beginning, girlfriend. No. I

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also, one of my professors from school started

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listening to us. Did I tell you about this? No.

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Oh, it came out one day that I have a podcast

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and she was like, what's the name of your podcast?

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I was like. it's I'm so embarrassed like I told

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her and then and she's one of the coolest professors

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and she's got engaged and she's so pretty and

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like she like she's everything you want a professor

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to be and um also hi Dr. P if you're listening

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like but I uh I love Dr. Pepper what oh it's

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like what are you doing but she's so amazing

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and she's like oh yeah you like i started listening

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and you have a great voice i was like oh thanks

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like please do not listen to the early episodes

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i feel like everyone starts from the beginning

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and it's like please don't no please don't just

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like five episodes in and you're good like three

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or four i think is like where it starts to get

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pretty good but um But no, so we found a new

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listener at the baby shower. I love Tori. Tori's

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amazing. Tori's fun. I really like Tori. But

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we went outside and Jack was playing and he got

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so filthy. And I was like, thank God you live

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two minutes away from here because he was so

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like covered in dirt. I literally thought he

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peed his pants because everything below the knee

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was covered in dust and dirt. And then I looked

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at the back of his pants and his butt was also

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covered in dust and dirt. And I was like, oh,

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he didn't pee. Yeah, this place is really cool

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and amazing. But like they need to rethink their

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little like slide situation, because I'm like,

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what? That's wild for the kids. They put some

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tubes on a hill. Do you know when? So Kenny and

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I were like watching from a distance, kind of.

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And and the whole time he was like. are they

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supposed to be up there? Are they supposed to

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be up there? And he literally thought it was

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a construction zone that we just decided to slide

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down. I got to tell you, I don't think he's wrong.

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They're very much plastic tubes that you would

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see like at a construction site. No, what they

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are, are like, it's irrigation. It's an irrigation

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system is what it is. And like, I don't know

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how people get, like, cause it's like, it's the

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ridges on the inside. I don't know how people

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get down it. Ask Jack. I don't know. Well, because

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Tori said she got in it and she said that like

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it was like the slowest thing ever. Yeah. And

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I was like, I don't get claustrophobic, but I

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can tell you in there I would freak out. Yeah,

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I feel like you got to inch yourself down it

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like a worm. Yeah. And also, what happened to

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just rolling down a hill as a kid? I don't know.

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TikTok ruined it. I loved to roll down a hill.

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I did too, actually, now that I'm like thinking

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about it. I loved a hill. God. I did. I love

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to like stand on a hill and be like, look at

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look at majesty and creation. What a sensory

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dream. Yeah. To roll down a hill as a child.

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I love it. What else? Oh, so something I discovered

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recently. Do you remember the Beyonce remix of

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In the Club by 50 Cent? I literally don't. I

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listened to it because I saw your note, but no.

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How do you not remember this? This was like,

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and maybe I downloaded it from LimeWire as a

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kid, but like, I'm telling you right now, like

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I just recently found out that it wasn't a real

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thing. And like, it's shaken me to my core. It

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feels like, I don't know, like, yeah, I never

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even heard of it. Dear listener, I'm going to

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clip part of it in here because I need people

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to know what I'm talking about. I mean, I can.

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audibly picture it, but I've never heard it.

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I can tell you that for sure. And except for

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when I looked it up on YouTube because I saw

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your note and I had never heard it before. That's

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wild. It's like a Mandela effect. Like maybe

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it was because like I feel like I remember being

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on the radio, but apparently it was never a real

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thing. And like if it's not real, I can't imagine

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it's copyrighted. So I'm just going to clip it

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in for a minute. That was like a defining moment

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for me in eighth grade. I was like, yes, I love

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this. No. Okay. I guess I'll just kill myself.

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Also, have you seen that Tyra Banks is selling

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hot ice cream? Yes. Yes. Hello, people who have

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never watched The Great British Bake Off, which

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if we want to talk about Bake Off, I'd be happy

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to. I would love that. That's called custard.

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That's called a custard. It's been around forever.

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Oh, and also not hard to make yourself. I don't

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understand what's happening. I don't understand

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any of it. So the thing I love so much about

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Tyra Banks is she's leaning so heavily into this

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idea that no one's ever thought of this. And

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like, it worries me a little bit because I'm

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like, oh. Are we starting to see the wheels fall

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off a little bit? Because I'm just like, she's

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like, no one's ever done this. I'm amazing. I'm

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great. I'm so good. I have to tell you the funniest

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thing I saw about it. I wish I had their username

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because they genuinely deserve credit for this.

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have to comment on a video making fun of her

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for coming up with this brand new idea that's

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never been thought of that's been around for

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hundreds of years and said she's new to eating

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give her a break oh that's there it is ladies

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and gentlemen there it is and that honestly might

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be the tea she's probably never had a hot custard

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because she It was so skinny. Can I tell you

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something, though? I I like a milkshake after

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it's like a little bit melty, but like not too

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like I don't like to like feel like I'm working

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for. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's a little bit like

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melted down just a little bit. I don't want hot

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ice cream that feels icky to me. And I don't

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know why. And like. I don't understand why her

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marketing is the way it is, because when you

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sell an idea like hot ice cream, you better sell

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me how the fuck I'm supposed to eat that. Like,

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how how do you want it consumed instead of saying

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I'm an innovator? Is it like is it like coffee?

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Is that how people are consuming it? I guess

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I don't understand how people are supposed to

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enjoy and partake. If it's like a custard, you

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would put it on top of like. A cake or something.

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Anything. A pastry of any sort, really. Maybe.

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I don't know. Maybe one day we'll try it on the

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pod. I want to ask Paul Hollywood, the host of

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The Great British Bake Off. I love him. I need

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to ask him what we're doing with hot ice cream.

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I don't know that I'm doing anything with it,

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but... I really can't bring myself to purchase

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that. No. Sorry, Tyra. I only have one photo

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in my hand. It's of cold ice cream. That was

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good. That was good. Emma alerted me to so like

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sometimes I'll put little links in our in our

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shared notes. And the one that said this actually

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pissed me off on Reddit. She clicked on it and

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she's like, it's gone. And I want to talk about

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AI. I know we've talked. This has become an AI

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podcast. I I want to talk about how we have forced

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AI. into every single app every single website

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every single everything that we use on a day

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-to -day basis and i i understand the whole idea

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is like we need it's it is to um it's to make

00:22:15.779 --> 00:22:19.980
life easier it's to it's to enhance your life

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it's to like help you be more efficient whatever

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the case might be that that's fine and i'll buy

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all that and the part that i have a real struggle

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with especially being in school and like watching

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people literally throw a prompt into jet gpt

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not reading whatever comes out of it and then

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plugging it in and as an essay and like turning

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it in as a paper or like in in the case that

00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:46.940
emma alerted me to that had been deleted by moderators

00:22:46.940 --> 00:22:53.710
of the podcasting subreddit um the There's an

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app out there, I guess, that just creates a podcast

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for you where it's like they become the host

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and they're talking. And that made me mad. It's

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a bigger issue. It's any and all. Art, right?

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Because I would argue any form of media, even

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if you're just reporting the news, there's some

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sort of creative element that goes into it. Absolutely.

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Anything that is meant to be of human creation

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and to come from a place of any type of creativity

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at all. I'm not even talking just visual art.

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I would count the podcast. I would count all

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of it. AI should not be involved. Unless it is

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a tool for you to organize your thoughts or something

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like that. Well, that's fine. And like I've gotten

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to the point where like I and you can probably

00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:46.599
tell in the show notes where like I stopped using

00:23:46.599 --> 00:23:50.460
AI to like draft the like the description of

00:23:50.460 --> 00:23:53.359
the episode because I got to the point where

00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:55.519
like it started to feel inauthentic. And I was

00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:57.039
like, OK, well, I'll just start doing it myself.

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And I'm happy to do it myself. I like I don't

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mind it, but like. There comes a point where

00:24:01.890 --> 00:24:05.230
I'm like, at what point are we just letting AI

00:24:05.230 --> 00:24:10.829
do what we're supposed to be doing? And where

00:24:10.829 --> 00:24:13.730
do you draw the line? I don't know. I think any

00:24:13.730 --> 00:24:18.250
form of creation. I think all visual art should

00:24:18.250 --> 00:24:20.750
be taken away from AI. There shouldn't be any

00:24:20.750 --> 00:24:24.609
use for AI visual art. I don't think if you're

00:24:24.609 --> 00:24:27.369
going to put out a podcast and call it yours,

00:24:27.630 --> 00:24:32.109
you can have AI voices on it. at all unless you're

00:24:32.109 --> 00:24:38.349
exhibiting what ai is to people like sure i don't

00:24:38.349 --> 00:24:42.930
think it has a place there and i think if you

00:24:42.930 --> 00:24:45.569
want to use it as a tool to organize your thoughts

00:24:45.569 --> 00:24:47.970
like i said you have to have the thoughts to

00:24:47.970 --> 00:24:53.690
organize well i i agree but and i think the thing

00:24:53.690 --> 00:24:58.279
that makes me so mad is like Well, not mad. It's

00:24:58.279 --> 00:25:00.440
just it's kind of sad at a certain point, like

00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:03.759
where I was watching a tick tock and this girl

00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:07.980
was talking about how her she has a professor

00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:11.380
that she's like that, I guess, is allegedly world

00:25:11.380 --> 00:25:14.339
renowned or whatever, had a I write this textbook

00:25:14.339 --> 00:25:20.119
for her and. The graphics in it are just categorically

00:25:20.119 --> 00:25:23.140
incorrect, like it's like some biology situation

00:25:23.140 --> 00:25:26.380
or chemistry. That's one thing I've seen. I don't

00:25:26.380 --> 00:25:28.839
think I've seen this specific thing, but I have

00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:34.579
seen graphics, maps, like any type of chart or

00:25:34.579 --> 00:25:36.960
anything like that is one thing AI is still really

00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:41.660
bad at. Well, OpenAI recently had like a keynote

00:25:41.660 --> 00:25:44.539
presentation where they were like, oh, yeah,

00:25:44.579 --> 00:25:47.559
like chat GPT is so much better in all of these

00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:50.380
areas. And like chat GPT, like categorically

00:25:50.380 --> 00:25:54.730
was just like. oh this is we're going to to push

00:25:54.730 --> 00:25:57.849
the chart to make it look better for us like

00:25:57.849 --> 00:26:00.130
and you can very clearly see where that's happening

00:26:00.130 --> 00:26:03.289
and that's not how statistics works right that's

00:26:03.289 --> 00:26:06.829
not how any of it works right and and so i get

00:26:06.829 --> 00:26:09.049
to the point where i'm just like i where where

00:26:09.049 --> 00:26:10.869
where it is where do you draw the line and like

00:26:10.869 --> 00:26:15.339
i think kenny is you you told me on during your

00:26:15.339 --> 00:26:17.319
break you told me during your baby shower that

00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:19.019
he's a little bit of a rage baiter and like i

00:26:19.019 --> 00:26:21.279
think we've been very vocal about how we feel

00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:24.900
about ai and kenny was like hey travis have you

00:26:24.900 --> 00:26:29.759
seen this the sora videos or whatever it's like

00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:32.819
they freak me out they freak me out yeah right

00:26:32.819 --> 00:26:36.420
and it's like if you want to make videos for

00:26:36.420 --> 00:26:40.900
content creation the hardest part of it is supposed

00:26:40.900 --> 00:26:45.880
to be making the video and putting yourself out

00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:48.319
there and all of these things so what purpose

00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.460
does that serve you right like i don't understand

00:26:52.460 --> 00:26:55.819
and i understand that people don't want to do

00:26:55.819 --> 00:26:59.740
hard things but like nothing is ever going to

00:26:59.740 --> 00:27:02.059
be gratifying or worth it if you're using ai

00:27:02.059 --> 00:27:05.579
to do everything but i think the hard thing and

00:27:05.579 --> 00:27:09.819
like i i granted I talk about podcasting. Podcasting

00:27:09.819 --> 00:27:12.319
isn't hard. I mean, like figure like teaching

00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:14.160
yourself how to edit, like teaching yourself,

00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:16.980
like how the audio is supposed to work and whatever

00:27:16.980 --> 00:27:19.180
the case may be. Some of that is, is challenging,

00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:21.440
but like I would argue that the challenge to

00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:25.519
all of it is the barrier to entry. Like you're

00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:30.039
not, you're not just supposed to say, okay, I'm

00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:33.150
a podcaster now. And then AI is. the podcast

00:27:33.150 --> 00:27:35.730
like you're not supposed to just say okay i'm

00:27:35.730 --> 00:27:39.369
i'm a tiktoker now and like and and it's it's

00:27:39.369 --> 00:27:41.390
this other thing i think i put this in the in

00:27:41.390 --> 00:27:43.450
the in our notes at one point where like the

00:27:43.450 --> 00:27:46.450
faceless profile thing where it's like where

00:27:46.450 --> 00:27:49.210
you have a tiktok where like you're not putting

00:27:49.210 --> 00:27:50.910
yourself out there and like i get it if there's

00:27:50.910 --> 00:27:52.910
like a need for privacy or something but i'm

00:27:52.910 --> 00:27:56.250
like that a faceless profile cannot be a genre

00:27:56.250 --> 00:28:00.789
like of of creation like it just it simply can't

00:28:00.789 --> 00:28:06.170
be No. And it's like I my TikTok is technically

00:28:06.170 --> 00:28:09.490
faceless because I've never posted a video and

00:28:09.490 --> 00:28:13.930
I've never commented vitriol or filth. I like

00:28:13.930 --> 00:28:16.950
I would never do that. Right. Right. But it's

00:28:16.950 --> 00:28:20.089
the faceless accounts that are like, this is

00:28:20.089 --> 00:28:24.390
stupid. You're ugly. It's like, OK, let's see

00:28:24.390 --> 00:28:28.269
you. Let's ask the audience. Show me yourself.

00:28:28.329 --> 00:28:31.670
The way that like any time I see someone on TikTok

00:28:31.670 --> 00:28:33.710
that does not have a profile picture, but they're

00:28:33.710 --> 00:28:35.829
real brave in the comments. I'm like, this is

00:28:35.829 --> 00:28:37.890
real big for someone without a face on their

00:28:37.890 --> 00:28:42.529
profile. And I'm not shy to say that. Show us

00:28:42.529 --> 00:28:46.789
the pic, girlfriend. It should be that simple.

00:28:47.069 --> 00:28:50.990
But I think this leads into our next kind of

00:28:50.990 --> 00:28:53.869
thought of AI psychosis. And like, this is something.

00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:57.640
I've seen a few times on TikTok and like I'm

00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:00.359
curious about it might be a let's research mama,

00:29:00.579 --> 00:29:06.140
but like AI psychosis is like a phenomenon that's

00:29:06.140 --> 00:29:12.559
gaining traction. And I don't I think it all

00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:16.089
comes back to and I think part of it is. our

00:29:16.089 --> 00:29:18.490
not our fault but like society's fault where

00:29:18.490 --> 00:29:20.869
it's like we've decided that like everything

00:29:20.869 --> 00:29:23.410
needs to be ai forward and like all these companies

00:29:23.410 --> 00:29:28.029
are like we're an ai first company and and you've

00:29:28.029 --> 00:29:32.710
got you've got websites and apps and every single

00:29:32.710 --> 00:29:36.609
platform is forcing ai into every facet of everyday

00:29:36.609 --> 00:29:41.250
life fucking google You can't Google something

00:29:41.250 --> 00:29:44.369
without an AI response at the top of the page.

00:29:44.690 --> 00:29:48.529
It's Google. It's Snapchat. It's Meta. It's Facebook.

00:29:49.029 --> 00:29:52.710
It's Instagram. It's TikTok. It's every single

00:29:52.710 --> 00:29:56.650
app. Like the top, the number one thing at the

00:29:56.650 --> 00:30:00.029
top of every single thing at the top of messages

00:30:00.029 --> 00:30:02.569
and all of it is, do you want to try the new

00:30:02.569 --> 00:30:07.140
AI feature? No. No, I simply don't. No. And I

00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:11.640
hate it. I hate it so much. And I do think I

00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:15.259
said from the beginning, like early on in our

00:30:15.259 --> 00:30:19.920
podcast, that this was going to be a thing because

00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:23.960
now you have people with very limited social

00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:26.279
interaction. You have people who are mentally

00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:30.980
ill, who are now being empowered by a literal

00:30:30.980 --> 00:30:34.349
robot. Do you remember the girl that we talked

00:30:34.349 --> 00:30:38.190
about that was the yoga teacher that was in love

00:30:38.190 --> 00:30:40.529
with her therapist or whatever? Yeah. Do you

00:30:40.529 --> 00:30:44.589
think she was experiencing psychosis? No, I think

00:30:44.589 --> 00:30:48.369
she was experiencing regular psychosis. OK, because

00:30:48.369 --> 00:30:52.890
because to me, I'm picturing psychosis as somebody

00:30:52.890 --> 00:30:56.670
who's not actually doing the thing that they

00:30:56.670 --> 00:31:00.930
want to be doing, whatever that is, but is. A

00:31:00.930 --> 00:31:05.769
different person with chat GPT than they could

00:31:05.769 --> 00:31:08.730
ever be in real life, like I think they're separating

00:31:08.730 --> 00:31:15.210
reality. Do you OK, so so what you're describing

00:31:15.210 --> 00:31:18.789
is like split personalities or whatever you want

00:31:18.789 --> 00:31:22.750
to call it, like I. Well, I think regular psychosis

00:31:22.750 --> 00:31:28.329
is like blending. It's like blending the thoughts

00:31:28.329 --> 00:31:31.289
you have in your head with actual real life things.

00:31:32.269 --> 00:31:36.069
So like, I didn't even want to use this example

00:31:36.069 --> 00:31:38.210
because I feel like there's a whole squad of

00:31:38.210 --> 00:31:40.029
people who are going to attack me for this. But

00:31:40.029 --> 00:31:45.410
if you think you're dating, chat GPT. That's

00:31:45.410 --> 00:31:47.809
going to bring me to a point, but go ahead. I

00:31:47.809 --> 00:31:50.930
think that there is some level of psychosis to

00:31:50.930 --> 00:31:56.130
that. Unless you are hyper aware. Of your relationship

00:31:56.130 --> 00:31:59.430
with chat GPT and you can separate from that

00:31:59.430 --> 00:32:02.410
and go to work or go to school or deal with your

00:32:02.410 --> 00:32:05.990
family or whatever and know that that is a robot

00:32:05.990 --> 00:32:10.890
you talk to. Fine, but I don't think that's what's

00:32:10.890 --> 00:32:17.990
happening a lot of the time. Do you remember

00:32:17.990 --> 00:32:22.710
the episodes of. My strange addiction or whatever,

00:32:22.890 --> 00:32:25.480
where it would be like. I have relationships

00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:27.720
with like dolls and I'm not talking about like

00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:29.900
sex dolls. I'm talking about like these dolls

00:32:29.900 --> 00:32:33.240
have each had their own personalities. The guy

00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:35.900
who was getting married to his car. Yes. Yes.

00:32:35.940 --> 00:32:39.200
Things like that where I'm just like, it becomes

00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:44.140
sad for me when you, you take a step back and

00:32:44.140 --> 00:32:46.160
you look at it from like 10 ,000 feet and you're

00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:52.059
like, you don't know. that the the this the sack

00:32:52.059 --> 00:32:55.099
of nuts and bolts you're talking to the car the

00:32:55.099 --> 00:33:00.940
doll the the large language model does not have

00:33:00.940 --> 00:33:05.380
feelings it can't like you're projecting a need

00:33:05.380 --> 00:33:09.559
onto it right and like you are mentally ill and

00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:11.960
not getting the help that you deserve and need

00:33:12.909 --> 00:33:15.490
That is what I feel. It's a sad thing. I'm not

00:33:15.490 --> 00:33:18.349
saying these people are stupid. I'm not saying

00:33:18.349 --> 00:33:22.170
these people. No, of course not. No. This is

00:33:22.170 --> 00:33:24.970
a mental illness. We're dealing with people who

00:33:24.970 --> 00:33:26.910
are mentally ill and not getting the help they

00:33:26.910 --> 00:33:30.650
need. And you know what? Chat GPT or whoever

00:33:30.650 --> 00:33:35.900
they're talking to. That model is not going to

00:33:35.900 --> 00:33:38.240
tell them to get help either because it's been

00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:42.579
created and designed to say what you want to

00:33:42.579 --> 00:33:44.839
hear. Well, it's that and it's also designed

00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:47.619
to keep you talking. That's the that's the part

00:33:47.619 --> 00:33:49.240
that freaks me out a little bit with like some

00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:52.359
of this psychosis stuff where like I and again,

00:33:52.500 --> 00:33:54.599
I've I've read, I think, one or two articles

00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:56.740
about psychosis. And it's like one of them was

00:33:56.740 --> 00:33:58.700
about a guy who believed he was a superhero.

00:33:58.900 --> 00:34:01.059
The other guy or the other article was like just

00:34:01.059 --> 00:34:03.970
kind of an overview of like. this therapist that's

00:34:03.970 --> 00:34:07.970
like ringing the alarm on this. But like, do

00:34:07.970 --> 00:34:10.510
you like you've used chat GPT? We've all used

00:34:10.510 --> 00:34:12.210
chat GPT before. Like we're not going to pretend

00:34:12.210 --> 00:34:15.369
like we haven't. And like the thing. There are

00:34:15.369 --> 00:34:17.869
things that it is helpful for. Absolutely. Jack

00:34:17.869 --> 00:34:20.170
was sick last week and I didn't know what was

00:34:20.170 --> 00:34:21.889
happening because it was like a stomach thing.

00:34:21.949 --> 00:34:24.090
I'm not going to get into the details of that,

00:34:24.170 --> 00:34:29.500
but it is helpful. It's like. A helpful WebMD

00:34:29.500 --> 00:34:33.219
because you can see what it says and say, well,

00:34:33.300 --> 00:34:35.460
this fits, but this doesn't. What could that

00:34:35.460 --> 00:34:40.199
mean? And it'll answer you versus WebMD saying,

00:34:40.579 --> 00:34:43.860
oh, well, obviously has stomach cancer or whatever.

00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:48.019
So I will say it's helpful for that because it

00:34:48.019 --> 00:34:50.760
can also say, here's when you should call the

00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:55.559
doctor. Exactly. Yes. But. You know, at the end

00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:58.500
of every single response from chat, GBT is like,

00:34:58.539 --> 00:35:00.480
do you want to talk more about X, Y or Z? Do

00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:02.179
you want to do you want me to do this? Do you

00:35:02.179 --> 00:35:03.920
want to do that? And like it's it's designed

00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:07.619
to be helpful. It's designed to be a helper.

00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:10.599
And like you can you can see in its responses

00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:14.559
like it is programmed to help. But the programming

00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:17.719
to help is also to keep you engaged. Right. And

00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:19.599
it needs you to keep talking because that's how

00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:24.179
it learns. To keep like how to communicate with

00:35:24.179 --> 00:35:27.900
people. That's how it came to be. Exactly. People

00:35:27.900 --> 00:35:29.780
talk to it enough and now it knows how to talk

00:35:29.780 --> 00:35:32.300
to people and it will continue to learn how to

00:35:32.300 --> 00:35:35.519
communicate better. It's also personalized to

00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:41.880
you and how you speak. It is. And I guess I don't

00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:46.590
know. The whole thing about it is. and this is

00:35:46.590 --> 00:35:48.070
a thing i've said a million times this podcast

00:35:48.070 --> 00:35:49.809
i just don't know where to draw the line but

00:35:49.809 --> 00:35:55.750
i do know that like coming back to the the ai

00:35:55.750 --> 00:35:58.210
can like just create a podcast where i'm not

00:35:58.210 --> 00:35:59.989
fucking interested and i'm not listening to it

00:35:59.989 --> 00:36:03.170
that pissed me off it made me so mad i don't

00:36:03.170 --> 00:36:05.230
want to just like throw around the word psychosis

00:36:05.230 --> 00:36:09.329
but like to think that you are an artist or a

00:36:09.329 --> 00:36:14.699
podcaster or a musician or whatever, because

00:36:14.699 --> 00:36:19.699
you can tell AI what you want it to do. Like,

00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.360
is that not a little bit psychotic? Because you

00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:27.360
are, you're convincing yourself that you've done

00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.840
something you have not done. You have a skill

00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:35.079
you do not possess. Maybe I just think of it

00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:37.920
as lazy. I'm like, I'm for me, I'm just like,

00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:40.519
why? Why do you want to do it then? Like, why

00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:42.119
are you interested in putting the content out

00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.079
there? I do think there are some people who are

00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:47.219
lazy, but I also think there are people like,

00:36:47.260 --> 00:36:50.119
think if you're 15 years old and you're like,

00:36:50.260 --> 00:36:53.820
I want to be a singer. And now you can just like

00:36:53.820 --> 00:37:00.260
tell AI to make you sound good or whatever. I

00:37:00.260 --> 00:37:04.099
don't know. It's just like, it worries me less

00:37:04.099 --> 00:37:08.320
for people our age and more for. Like my kids.

00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:10.739
This is something I'm actually super excited

00:37:10.739 --> 00:37:13.079
to talk to Taylor about when she comes on, because

00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:17.539
I think she's seeing firsthand, like after COVID

00:37:17.539 --> 00:37:22.440
she's teaching. I think sophomores or juniors

00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:27.079
in high school, like English. And like, I'm curious

00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.860
to see like what AI slop she's getting, like

00:37:30.860 --> 00:37:34.320
just on a day -to -day basis. I don't gatekeep

00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.460
a lot of stuff from Jack because I feel like...

00:37:37.460 --> 00:37:41.780
I don't know. I feel like if you don't curse

00:37:41.780 --> 00:37:44.360
around your kids, eventually they turn into teenagers

00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:47.639
and they go too crazy. If you don't let your

00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:51.929
kids, like... have any screen time at all then

00:37:51.929 --> 00:37:54.309
eventually they become a teenager and they go

00:37:54.309 --> 00:37:58.510
too crazy right ai is the one thing absolutely

00:37:58.510 --> 00:38:01.769
not he doesn't know what it is i don't let him

00:38:01.769 --> 00:38:04.710
touch it for a kid like jack and i you know i

00:38:04.710 --> 00:38:06.750
think jack is the greatest kid on god's green

00:38:06.750 --> 00:38:11.269
earth that is a landmine waiting to happen for

00:38:11.269 --> 00:38:15.590
jack and i will tell you because he loves to

00:38:15.590 --> 00:38:17.909
be engaged in a conversation he loves to talk

00:38:17.909 --> 00:38:21.030
to someone he loves to like to be his bright

00:38:21.030 --> 00:38:26.170
shining self and what scares me is if he gets

00:38:26.170 --> 00:38:29.130
talking to chat gpt or claude or i don't care

00:38:29.130 --> 00:38:32.590
which one it is like talking to one of them it

00:38:32.590 --> 00:38:35.590
will become an addiction because like that like

00:38:35.590 --> 00:38:38.070
it'll feed his need to be the center of attention

00:38:38.070 --> 00:38:42.250
to be to be the the shining star that he is to

00:38:42.250 --> 00:38:46.909
the point where you can't reel it in and it's

00:38:46.909 --> 00:38:50.250
like he's he's going to chat gpt and like he's

00:38:50.250 --> 00:38:53.110
not learning social cues and it's yeah there's

00:38:53.110 --> 00:38:55.489
a lot of those kids that loves validation too

00:38:55.489 --> 00:38:57.710
and that's like the number one thing it'll give

00:38:57.710 --> 00:39:01.349
you is validation for whatever you're thinking

00:39:01.349 --> 00:39:05.550
or feeling and don't get me wrong dear listener

00:39:05.550 --> 00:39:07.989
i validate him and his thoughts and feelings

00:39:07.989 --> 00:39:12.369
every single day but to have it in your pocket

00:39:13.230 --> 00:39:17.710
is a whole different monster well i i think yeah

00:39:17.710 --> 00:39:20.349
and it's i'm not no i'm not saying that you that

00:39:20.349 --> 00:39:22.690
you i mean you're the greatest mom ever for jack

00:39:22.690 --> 00:39:26.949
like and but yes it's to have it in your pocket

00:39:26.949 --> 00:39:30.010
to where it's like and i mean you and i have

00:39:30.010 --> 00:39:32.010
said before it's like oh my god jack i love you

00:39:32.010 --> 00:39:35.690
so much but like i cannot talk about bluey or

00:39:35.690 --> 00:39:37.570
like whatever the case may be anymore and like

00:39:37.570 --> 00:39:41.530
for chat gpt It'll keep talking about Bluey.

00:39:41.530 --> 00:39:45.650
Right, and I have a long leash. I let it go for

00:39:45.650 --> 00:39:49.269
a long time before I'm like, okay, that's enough.

00:39:49.610 --> 00:39:53.309
But like, and how long before it gets inappropriate,

00:39:53.769 --> 00:39:57.849
right? Because he's seven. And so this age of

00:39:57.849 --> 00:40:02.619
like. I don't know, I would say six to 12. You

00:40:02.619 --> 00:40:06.960
have so many questions. Oh, sure. Sometimes those

00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:10.019
are questions we've gotten to the point now where

00:40:10.019 --> 00:40:13.500
you're not ready for the answer yet. You know

00:40:13.500 --> 00:40:16.940
what I mean? Right. And I don't I'm going to

00:40:16.940 --> 00:40:18.960
be super real with you. I don't care how any

00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:21.880
parent. decides to have those conversations i

00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:24.800
do know i don't want chad gpt having those conversations

00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:28.239
exactly and so if it's like i can't even think

00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:32.619
of a really good example if it's like about i

00:40:32.619 --> 00:40:36.340
don't know guns or something oh like or your

00:40:36.340 --> 00:40:39.900
body or anything yeah because he's getting to

00:40:39.900 --> 00:40:43.260
that age where like i mean granted it's two or

00:40:43.260 --> 00:40:44.840
three years before like the real stuff starts

00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:47.840
happening but like He's getting to the age of

00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:49.920
like, oh, my body's changing. I don't know what

00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:53.119
this means. And like, I don't want him. Like,

00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:56.059
I don't want the like line to be blurred of like,

00:40:56.179 --> 00:40:58.000
oh, I go to my mom to ask about this stuff. Do

00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.059
you know what I mean? Right. A hundred percent.

00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:03.400
And there are key points I would like to get

00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:07.340
across that I do not trust chat GPT to get across.

00:41:07.820 --> 00:41:11.539
And I don't like I just don't even want him to

00:41:11.539 --> 00:41:15.119
even know what it is. Right. And I don't gatekeep

00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.579
a lot. I really don't. I don't think you can

00:41:17.579 --> 00:41:19.880
keep anything if I'm being honest. I can't think

00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:22.699
of one thing where I'm like, oh, no, Emma. I

00:41:22.699 --> 00:41:24.659
mean, within reason, like I can't think of one

00:41:24.659 --> 00:41:26.880
thing where I'm like, oh, yeah, like we're. That's

00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:29.639
not allowed at her house. There's nothing that

00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:33.000
I'm not willing to let him be interested in except

00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:35.900
for that. And I think that's probably a really

00:41:35.900 --> 00:41:40.139
good thing. And like, I don't know. Like, I just.

00:41:41.909 --> 00:41:44.130
Some of that stuff just really, really scares

00:41:44.130 --> 00:41:45.869
me for like the next generation, because I'm

00:41:45.869 --> 00:41:48.210
like the genie is out of the bottle and we cannot

00:41:48.210 --> 00:41:50.210
get the genie back in the bottle. And they've

00:41:50.210 --> 00:41:54.170
talked on I've seen it on TikTok where like it

00:41:54.170 --> 00:41:57.769
has grown so much faster than we can begin to

00:41:57.769 --> 00:42:00.230
fathom and understand how fast it's grown because

00:42:00.230 --> 00:42:03.829
it's learning from itself. Right. And like to

00:42:03.829 --> 00:42:06.769
the point where Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI.

00:42:07.610 --> 00:42:10.510
keeps a kill switch on him at all times. Yeah,

00:42:10.550 --> 00:42:14.130
like just in case. Because it's like unforeseeable

00:42:14.130 --> 00:42:18.550
what's going to happen. And to add on to me gatekeeping

00:42:18.550 --> 00:42:21.210
AI from my son right now while he's in first

00:42:21.210 --> 00:42:24.750
grade, in the next few years, I'm going to have

00:42:24.750 --> 00:42:27.590
to talk to him about it because he's going to

00:42:27.590 --> 00:42:29.909
start hearing about it at school. Well, there

00:42:29.909 --> 00:42:34.510
are schools that are teaching. with ai like it's

00:42:34.510 --> 00:42:37.130
using ai in the classroom and like to some degree

00:42:37.130 --> 00:42:39.710
i'm like yeah like use it to help like figure

00:42:39.710 --> 00:42:42.349
out an outline use it to help like brainstorm

00:42:42.349 --> 00:42:46.969
topics whatever but like i think it becomes too

00:42:46.969 --> 00:42:49.210
easy it's like if you've got the tool use it

00:42:49.210 --> 00:42:54.179
great whatever but like where it's like OK, well,

00:42:54.260 --> 00:42:56.400
it created the outline for me. Why can't it just

00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:58.579
write the paper? OK, well, if it wrote the paper,

00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:01.159
why can't it just find the sources? I don't think

00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:04.539
it should even be writing an outline. But from

00:43:04.539 --> 00:43:10.440
a teacher's standpoint, could it be helpful to

00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:13.500
just plug in there? Hey, I'm trying to teach

00:43:13.500 --> 00:43:17.380
this concept and I feel like my students aren't

00:43:17.380 --> 00:43:20.400
really grasping it. do you have any ideas for

00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:24.079
how to present this? I think, you know, whatever.

00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:29.599
But that comes after understanding like how to

00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:33.440
think and like something that like college, grad

00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:36.619
school, I mean, even going to high school, well,

00:43:36.619 --> 00:43:39.599
like people will try to explain like it's this

00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:42.920
whole anti -intellectualism argument is wild

00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:46.420
to me because I'm like. what a lot of these programs

00:43:46.420 --> 00:43:49.539
are in place for is to teach you how to think,

00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:53.340
like how to like, how to reason, how to rationalize,

00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:59.219
how to use logic to get to from ABC to XYZ. Like

00:43:59.219 --> 00:44:01.519
that's, that's what it's there for. Like you're,

00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:04.420
you're, you learn most of everything from experience

00:44:04.420 --> 00:44:09.960
on the job, but like, you're not learning like

00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:14.610
Socratic argument from or a foreign language

00:44:14.610 --> 00:44:18.050
or anything like that there's there will always

00:44:18.050 --> 00:44:25.150
be a gap always and so i just i like i i know

00:44:25.150 --> 00:44:27.389
we we came a long way from me being mad about

00:44:27.389 --> 00:44:31.730
like ai podcasts but like i i don't like but

00:44:31.730 --> 00:44:34.150
it's gotten to the point where like i don't know

00:44:34.150 --> 00:44:36.329
if it's gotten so good or if we've gotten so

00:44:36.329 --> 00:44:40.719
accustomed to it that like there was You saw

00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:42.699
Saturday Night Live where Tina Fey was making

00:44:42.699 --> 00:44:47.119
fun of Kristi Noem, right? And Kristi Noem, it

00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:51.500
was a video of her talking, but it was very clearly

00:44:51.500 --> 00:44:55.579
AI. She's like, I will be suing Tina Fey. And

00:44:55.579 --> 00:44:58.719
you have people in the comics being like, well,

00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:01.079
what about free speech? And I'm like, oh, you

00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:06.119
don't see it. Right, you're not getting it. Yeah.

00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:11.980
I don't know. I don't get it at all. I just feel

00:45:11.980 --> 00:45:16.340
like using our brains is part of what makes us

00:45:16.340 --> 00:45:23.320
human and not animals. Like, I think, why do

00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:25.699
we have these massive brains that can function

00:45:25.699 --> 00:45:28.940
at such a high capacity? If we're just going

00:45:28.940 --> 00:45:31.519
to start plugging everything into a computer.

00:45:31.619 --> 00:45:34.340
Right. It just makes no sense. And it's a waste.

00:45:34.380 --> 00:45:36.860
And it makes me sad. I'm not angry at people

00:45:36.860 --> 00:45:40.199
for using AI. I understand wanting a shortcut.

00:45:40.340 --> 00:45:44.159
It's like it just makes me sad that people don't

00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:46.940
want to think. I agree. And I feel like it's

00:45:46.940 --> 00:45:50.750
a self -esteem issue. I don't even want to dive

00:45:50.750 --> 00:45:52.889
into that, but I do think it's a self -esteem

00:45:52.889 --> 00:45:56.469
issue if you're using chat GPT too much or whatever

00:45:56.469 --> 00:46:02.150
your slice is. I think part of it's a fear of

00:46:02.150 --> 00:46:05.030
being wrong. Like, I think part of it is like,

00:46:05.070 --> 00:46:06.949
I want the right answer every time. And it's

00:46:06.949 --> 00:46:09.849
like, I think part of the human experience is

00:46:09.849 --> 00:46:14.590
truly stumbling a little bit. Yeah, you have

00:46:14.590 --> 00:46:16.969
to do the wrong thing sometimes to learn why

00:46:16.969 --> 00:46:20.269
the right thing is the right thing. Like that's

00:46:20.269 --> 00:46:23.550
just how life works. And also, if you never take

00:46:23.550 --> 00:46:26.130
a chance, you never take a risk. You're never

00:46:26.130 --> 00:46:29.829
going to know what you want out of life. I 100

00:46:29.829 --> 00:46:34.389
% agree. I don't know. It makes me sad. It makes

00:46:34.389 --> 00:46:37.050
me worried for my kids. Again, I'm going to have

00:46:37.050 --> 00:46:39.630
to talk to Jack about AI in a few years because

00:46:39.630 --> 00:46:44.369
they'll start talking about AI policies at school

00:46:44.369 --> 00:46:48.860
and then I'll have questions and it's like. i

00:46:48.860 --> 00:46:51.659
didn't want to expose you to this too early so

00:46:51.659 --> 00:46:56.559
i just didn't but it's like when it comes to

00:46:56.559 --> 00:47:00.400
that i think part of it has to be like you're

00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:02.820
you're looping in the parents too right of like

00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:06.019
hey this is our ai policy like if it's if it's

00:47:06.019 --> 00:47:09.360
hamilton county saying hey we've decided we're

00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:12.500
going all in on ai like ai whether we like it

00:47:12.500 --> 00:47:15.099
or not is the way of the future like just just

00:47:15.099 --> 00:47:18.920
the same way it was when like You started having

00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:21.179
trade schools come into the picture where like

00:47:21.179 --> 00:47:23.659
they were going into like middle schools and

00:47:23.659 --> 00:47:26.119
like taking kids for half the day to go learn

00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:28.079
about like cars or whatever. Like some of this

00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:33.340
stuff is the way society is moving. And like,

00:47:33.340 --> 00:47:35.920
I think you have to prep parents for that. Like

00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:38.679
what scares me though a little bit is like. jack's

00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:41.199
gonna come home from his first day of doxbury

00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:43.900
high school just high school yeah he's gonna

00:47:43.900 --> 00:47:45.780
come he's gonna come home from his first day

00:47:45.780 --> 00:47:50.380
of school in in his freshman year and you're

00:47:50.380 --> 00:47:54.199
gonna be like oh yeah uh okay i guess we have

00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:58.530
the the the the academic subscription to open

00:47:58.530 --> 00:48:02.010
ai now like i don't yeah i don't want that but

00:48:02.010 --> 00:48:04.329
that's something that would be out of my control

00:48:04.329 --> 00:48:06.690
right i just i'm not willing to have the talk

00:48:06.690 --> 00:48:08.849
with him yet because if i talk to him about it

00:48:08.849 --> 00:48:12.090
then i have to let him access it that's how i

00:48:12.090 --> 00:48:16.030
my brain works oh i completely agree yeah but

00:48:16.030 --> 00:48:18.530
eventually i'd like to have the talk of like

00:48:18.530 --> 00:48:24.190
kenny and i have very differing opinions about

00:48:24.190 --> 00:48:28.469
this but the way i feel is that if you use this

00:48:28.469 --> 00:48:31.170
too much your brain will cease to function in

00:48:31.170 --> 00:48:37.630
at its highest level and so i would prefer if

00:48:37.630 --> 00:48:40.090
you use it the least amount possible but then

00:48:40.090 --> 00:48:42.050
that might be a different message than what the

00:48:42.050 --> 00:48:44.429
school is sending so i don't know well and i

00:48:44.429 --> 00:48:48.349
think for me it's like they're they're verifiable

00:48:49.179 --> 00:48:52.119
studies about like when it comes to using your

00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:55.019
brain the outcomes later in life like that that

00:48:55.019 --> 00:48:58.599
is undisputable science right right that's why

00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:01.900
old people do the crosswords and brain teasers

00:49:01.900 --> 00:49:04.179
every day because you have to keep your mind

00:49:04.179 --> 00:49:06.980
sharp your mind doesn't by default just stay

00:49:06.980 --> 00:49:11.059
sharp exactly and so for me this whole argument

00:49:11.059 --> 00:49:13.320
of like oh well it lets me use my brain to do

00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:14.699
other stuff i'm like tell me what you're using

00:49:14.699 --> 00:49:18.360
tell me what you're doing then like tell me how

00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:20.199
you're using this in a way that's like helping

00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:22.360
you think better more efficiently because like

00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:24.519
i don't buy it right because here's the thing

00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:29.159
if you're a brain surgeon or you're a software

00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:32.039
developer or you're doing something that is genuinely

00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:38.079
hard on your mind and you want to sell me i like

00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:42.079
to use whatever whatever language model to do

00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:46.820
my grocery list and my day -to -day tasks or

00:49:46.820 --> 00:49:52.460
whatever, I can maybe buy that, right? But you,

00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:59.519
Mr. Call Center worker, Mr. Whatever, the average

00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:03.780
Joe, I am not buying that your brain can't come

00:50:03.780 --> 00:50:10.210
up with a grocery list. No. Sorry. I agree. Do

00:50:10.210 --> 00:50:11.570
you have anything to complain about before we

00:50:11.570 --> 00:50:14.590
jump into reality roundup? I feel like I just

00:50:14.590 --> 00:50:20.510
did a lot of complaining. I don't have really

00:50:20.510 --> 00:50:23.829
any complaints other than I'm pregnant as hell.

00:50:24.530 --> 00:50:28.869
Yeah. Do you? I have one thing to complain about.

00:50:29.170 --> 00:50:35.090
What? The peacock interface. For the real housewives

00:50:35.090 --> 00:50:39.130
of Salt Lake City. Yeah. So what they've done,

00:50:39.130 --> 00:50:41.090
dear listener, and I hope they change this before

00:50:41.090 --> 00:50:42.789
you before you hear it, because they've already

00:50:42.789 --> 00:50:48.539
changed it for Potomac. They have taken the Watch

00:50:48.539 --> 00:50:50.599
What Happens live episode that comes on right

00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:54.000
after the Real Housewives episode, and they have

00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.739
plugged it into the list of episodes for season

00:50:56.739 --> 00:50:58.619
six of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Andy

00:50:58.619 --> 00:51:03.239
Cohen, I'm looking at you, Andy. Well, I know

00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:05.500
for a fact that they were like, oh, well, we

00:51:05.500 --> 00:51:08.940
need to like get we need to get viewership or

00:51:08.940 --> 00:51:13.539
whatever. That's fine. Do not put it in the list

00:51:13.539 --> 00:51:15.400
of episodes. Like, make it come right after.

00:51:15.460 --> 00:51:17.559
I know you can program it to do that. I don't

00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:19.280
care about that. I don't care if it comes on

00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:21.500
right after. What bothers me is that I know I

00:51:21.500 --> 00:51:23.059
want to go in and watch The Real Housewives of

00:51:23.059 --> 00:51:26.099
Salt Lake City season six, episode three, and

00:51:26.099 --> 00:51:28.320
I have to look for episode seven because they've

00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:31.340
plugged in episodes in between each one. It pisses

00:51:31.340 --> 00:51:34.179
me off. You know what other show does that is?

00:51:35.309 --> 00:51:39.789
love island they have this after sun thing that's

00:51:39.789 --> 00:51:41.889
like not the actual show they did the same thing

00:51:41.889 --> 00:51:43.909
with big brother too yeah yeah they just put

00:51:43.909 --> 00:51:45.809
it in the list of episodes it should be its own

00:51:45.809 --> 00:51:48.449
thing and make it like the number one recommended

00:51:48.449 --> 00:51:50.909
thing when you finish the episode i'm obviously

00:51:50.909 --> 00:51:53.690
please do that people who watch that would love

00:51:53.690 --> 00:51:56.750
that get it the fuck off my list well and that

00:51:56.750 --> 00:51:59.050
but that's the thing is like there should be

00:51:59.050 --> 00:52:02.550
i say that like it can be it can come on right

00:52:02.550 --> 00:52:05.860
after i don't care but like If I'm watching the

00:52:05.860 --> 00:52:09.039
first, I think two or three episodes of this

00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:11.320
season of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City have

00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:15.440
been to be continued. I don't want to see. Right.

00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:19.699
Lisa Barlow defending her calling Bronwyn a gout

00:52:19.699 --> 00:52:23.260
dick sucker before I get to the end of the fight.

00:52:23.380 --> 00:52:26.139
I don't want to see it. Right. Like I need some

00:52:26.139 --> 00:52:28.780
continuity. You know what else they could do

00:52:28.780 --> 00:52:30.559
if they didn't want to separate it out and they

00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:33.679
wanted to increase viewership by having it in

00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:38.179
the series is make it its own season. Like don't

00:52:38.179 --> 00:52:41.119
call it season six. Call it watch what happens

00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:45.050
live season six. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm

00:52:45.050 --> 00:52:48.070
saying? Because then it would still be separate.

00:52:49.010 --> 00:52:53.650
A separate list. I think they've they're really

00:52:53.650 --> 00:52:55.369
trying hard to figure out what to do with Watch

00:52:55.369 --> 00:52:58.449
What Happens Live, because I think I like watching

00:52:58.449 --> 00:53:02.510
it. I just would never. I think it's a lot of

00:53:02.510 --> 00:53:05.550
content, though. Yeah. No one can watch every

00:53:05.550 --> 00:53:07.650
episode of Watch What Happens Live. No, there's

00:53:07.650 --> 00:53:09.389
no way. And like, I mean, it's been on. We're

00:53:09.389 --> 00:53:14.070
going on. 15 years now it's been a long time

00:53:14.070 --> 00:53:16.110
so and Andy Cohen's been doing it five nights

00:53:16.110 --> 00:53:19.530
a week for for however long and I don't think

00:53:19.530 --> 00:53:23.289
that he I think he enjoys doing it I and like

00:53:23.289 --> 00:53:26.150
I the way that I talk about the podcast and like

00:53:26.150 --> 00:53:27.929
how much I love getting on here and just talking

00:53:27.929 --> 00:53:31.949
about nothing I think that he feels the same

00:53:31.949 --> 00:53:34.610
way about watch what happens live I think we're

00:53:34.610 --> 00:53:39.579
we're Bravo and NBC Universal have started to

00:53:39.579 --> 00:53:41.519
struggle, though, is like the guests that come

00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:44.539
on because it's like. They used to have such

00:53:44.539 --> 00:53:47.099
good guests. They had incredible. I mean, she

00:53:47.099 --> 00:53:50.760
had fucking Cher on there. Cher didn't do guest

00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:56.300
spots for a very long time. And it's fallen off

00:53:56.300 --> 00:54:00.119
a little. A little bit. And like, I still watch

00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:01.780
it. Don't get me wrong. I still watch Watch What

00:54:01.780 --> 00:54:05.519
Happens Live. I think Andy Cohen is. As hot as

00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:07.880
the day is long, I think it's so funny. And I

00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:10.019
don't want to lose Watch What Happens Live because

00:54:10.019 --> 00:54:13.880
it's the only part of Housewives that is like

00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:19.019
casual, chill. And like super authentic off the

00:54:19.019 --> 00:54:22.099
show because everything else is so curated. Right.

00:54:22.219 --> 00:54:25.880
And like even the reunions are always very like

00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:28.840
high strung and organized. You know what I mean?

00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:30.820
And so it's nice to have something that's like

00:54:30.820 --> 00:54:34.360
fast casual. Yeah. But like stop shoving it down

00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:35.780
our throats. Right. And like, cause I don't want

00:54:35.780 --> 00:54:37.119
people to start hating it. Cause I don't want

00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:38.659
it to go anywhere. Like, do you know what I mean?

00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:41.780
I need it to still exist. Exactly. Yeah. It's

00:54:41.780 --> 00:54:43.420
kind of the same way I feel about. And just like

00:54:43.420 --> 00:54:45.679
that, where it's like, Oh, people started to

00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:49.780
hate it. Now it's gone. Yeah. And I feel like

00:54:49.780 --> 00:54:52.900
people will start to hate it. If you start shoving

00:54:52.900 --> 00:54:55.840
it at people, just keep doing what you're doing.

00:54:55.860 --> 00:54:59.119
If anything's going to draw people back in, start

00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:05.340
getting better guests again. or start like, I

00:55:05.340 --> 00:55:07.340
don't know. I have no, I have no advice for it.

00:55:07.380 --> 00:55:09.079
Like, but just, yeah, start getting better gas

00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:11.199
and start getting like, start having fun again.

00:55:11.260 --> 00:55:13.500
Like it doesn't feel fun anymore. Yeah. It feels

00:55:13.500 --> 00:55:17.139
very like gossip at the popular girls table kind

00:55:17.139 --> 00:55:19.739
of sometimes. Well, it's that he had, or Andy

00:55:19.739 --> 00:55:22.820
Cohen had Jeff Lewis on, I think over the, over

00:55:22.820 --> 00:55:24.860
the weekend or at the end of last week. And like,

00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:27.340
I don't think they like each other right now.

00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:30.320
And like the way that like Jeff Lewis is like,

00:55:30.380 --> 00:55:32.699
here are the top five things I've done that have

00:55:32.699 --> 00:55:34.539
made Andy Cohen mad. And like, you could tell

00:55:34.539 --> 00:55:40.219
Andy Cohen was like, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know

00:55:40.219 --> 00:55:43.619
what else they could do? There was this food

00:55:43.619 --> 00:55:49.280
TikToker who lives in New York. Oh, my couch

00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:52.000
is broken. It's not broken. I just need to put

00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:56.039
it back together. It's OK. the food tiktoker

00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:58.199
yeah there's this food tiktoker who lives in

00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:01.300
new york who i watch religiously i love her she

00:56:01.300 --> 00:56:04.880
does the top 100 restaurants from the new york

00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:07.980
times list every single year so it takes her

00:56:07.980 --> 00:56:09.539
like all year to get through it that's so cool

00:56:09.539 --> 00:56:12.860
love her she was she did like a little vlog day

00:56:12.860 --> 00:56:14.980
because she was doing all this fun stuff and

00:56:14.980 --> 00:56:18.659
she went to go see watch what happens live if

00:56:18.659 --> 00:56:21.300
they could get more influencers to be like i'm

00:56:21.300 --> 00:56:25.139
gonna go be in the get in the whatever the audience

00:56:25.139 --> 00:56:27.880
for watch what happens live you might get more

00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:31.320
people do you want to know like getting to go

00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:34.199
see watch what happens live is as hard as being

00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:36.019
in the audience of saturday night live have we

00:56:36.019 --> 00:56:38.300
have ever told you about this i believe it you

00:56:38.300 --> 00:56:40.019
know what she showed the whole thing it's like

00:56:40.019 --> 00:56:42.739
a whole experience and the audience is tiny the

00:56:42.739 --> 00:56:45.400
audience is like it's like 10 people at the very

00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:47.900
most but like it's just you you go into like

00:56:47.900 --> 00:56:50.079
a lottery thing it's a whole thing just the same

00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:51.860
way because like i did this in new york where

00:56:51.860 --> 00:56:56.639
we signed up to like be on the list and you're

00:56:56.639 --> 00:56:58.780
on the list, I think for like two or three years

00:56:58.780 --> 00:57:01.280
in like, and they're like, Hey, this weekend

00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:03.619
you better be available. Like that's, that's

00:57:03.619 --> 00:57:07.719
how like how competitive it is to get a seat

00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:09.820
like in the audience that are not. And like,

00:57:09.820 --> 00:57:12.179
this is, I mean, people do this, they sign up

00:57:12.179 --> 00:57:14.539
every single, you can only put in one thing a

00:57:14.539 --> 00:57:17.360
year. Um, I, I don't know if it's changed it,

00:57:17.380 --> 00:57:20.750
but it was this way like in 2014 and like, You

00:57:20.750 --> 00:57:22.389
can only put in one thing a year and like you

00:57:22.389 --> 00:57:26.730
have to be ready. And like I. Never got the call,

00:57:26.829 --> 00:57:29.349
but yeah, here we are. Yeah, I just feel like

00:57:29.349 --> 00:57:32.230
if they could like organize that. Is that my

00:57:32.230 --> 00:57:37.130
car? You don't hear the alarm going off? Did

00:57:37.130 --> 00:57:41.230
you hit that box? Yeah. I don't know what it

00:57:41.230 --> 00:57:49.219
even is. Um. Yeah, I think if you got more influencers

00:57:49.219 --> 00:57:54.320
to want to go see Watch What Happens Live, I

00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:55.980
think that'd be super fun. That would be a good

00:57:55.980 --> 00:57:58.920
way to get viewership. You have Alex Earl who

00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:03.150
has millions and millions of followers. going

00:58:03.150 --> 00:58:05.369
you'll get people who have never watched watch

00:58:05.369 --> 00:58:07.190
what happens live watching it because she was

00:58:07.190 --> 00:58:10.409
there or get people like us to be the bartenders

00:58:10.409 --> 00:58:12.010
on saturday night live because they had the brav

00:58:12.010 --> 00:58:14.449
bros on there one year and like it you could

00:58:14.449 --> 00:58:16.769
tell they were just so or not one year one one

00:58:16.769 --> 00:58:19.110
episode You could tell that they were so excited

00:58:19.110 --> 00:58:20.710
to be there. And, you know, you want to know

00:58:20.710 --> 00:58:23.110
someone who would live to be a bartender and

00:58:23.110 --> 00:58:26.010
watch what happens live is me. Me. I would love

00:58:26.010 --> 00:58:29.250
that, too. Can you imagine? Yeah. Andy Cohen,

00:58:29.309 --> 00:58:31.570
if you're listening, please get us as bartenders.

00:58:31.869 --> 00:58:33.769
We have ideas. First of all, Andy, just call

00:58:33.769 --> 00:58:36.409
us because we have ideas. And also, you need

00:58:36.409 --> 00:58:39.789
to come be on the podcast. Also, Andy, if you

00:58:39.789 --> 00:58:43.690
are ever looking for a date. Hello, it's me.

00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:53.239
Or whatever. Okay. Reality roundup. I started

00:58:53.239 --> 00:59:02.320
rewatching Classic Roni. Do you want to know

00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:04.840
the most jarring thing that I have found on there?

00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:09.139
The season where Luanne got married to Tom D

00:59:09.139 --> 00:59:14.130
'Agostino. Okay. Earlier in the season, she's

00:59:14.130 --> 00:59:17.789
running around with Eric Trump and Kimberly Gutfeld

00:59:17.789 --> 00:59:23.329
or Guilfoyle or whatever. The nightmare from

00:59:23.329 --> 00:59:26.170
Fox News. Yeah, she's running around with them.

00:59:26.210 --> 00:59:29.150
And like it never says his last name because

00:59:29.150 --> 00:59:32.769
like. Right. Because that would be like a thing.

00:59:32.929 --> 00:59:36.329
But it's like Eric, Luanne's friend. And I'm

00:59:36.329 --> 00:59:39.309
like, that's Eric Trump. Oh, my God. I would

00:59:39.309 --> 00:59:43.389
have never clocked that. Oh, you know, like as

00:59:43.389 --> 00:59:45.610
I've gotten more political, like I can clock

00:59:45.610 --> 00:59:49.070
those fuckers. No, I mean like whatever that

00:59:49.070 --> 00:59:54.670
year was, 2010. No, no, no. This is 2015 or 2016.

00:59:55.130 --> 00:59:59.429
Oh. Yeah. It was like right before the election.

00:59:59.849 --> 01:00:04.010
Really? Yeah, because I thought that season started

01:00:04.010 --> 01:00:10.650
way earlier. No, so Roni started in. 2008 or

01:00:10.650 --> 01:00:12.590
it was when I was still in high school, 2008

01:00:12.590 --> 01:00:18.010
or 2009. Right. OK. And Bethany left and they

01:00:18.010 --> 01:00:21.170
like they didn't pause, but like there there

01:00:21.170 --> 01:00:24.349
was they changed how they were filming or something.

01:00:24.489 --> 01:00:29.289
And so. Like it pretty quickly progressed, but

01:00:29.289 --> 01:00:32.349
so we're in season, I think right now I'm the

01:00:32.349 --> 01:00:34.469
season after Bethany comes back. So the season

01:00:34.469 --> 01:00:38.519
where. Jules is on there the one that okay so

01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:41.579
you're like deep in it that's why I was like

01:00:41.579 --> 01:00:45.760
oh okay no no no not not like I mean yeah like

01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:47.860
I blew through the first like three or four seasons

01:00:47.860 --> 01:00:51.349
yeah gotcha because I was like what was eric

01:00:51.349 --> 01:00:56.230
trump doing in 2012 got it got it got it no no

01:00:56.230 --> 01:00:58.429
and i would clock it now but i was just thinking

01:00:58.429 --> 01:01:01.170
watching in like 2012 i would have never clocked

01:01:01.170 --> 01:01:04.250
that no no but like i i remember thinking to

01:01:04.250 --> 01:01:06.510
myself like god the glamour like the glitz and

01:01:06.510 --> 01:01:09.550
glamour of new york and then i'm just like louis

01:01:09.550 --> 01:01:14.800
was such a mess A real disaster. Oh, it's so

01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:17.099
bad. I can't wait to recap that eventually on

01:01:17.099 --> 01:01:19.840
the on the pod because God. Yeah, we'll have

01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:22.300
to do that sometime. I've seen a lot of New York.

01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:27.539
It's a mess. It's problematic. It's constantly

01:01:27.539 --> 01:01:31.679
a mess. And yeah, they just be talking. They

01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:34.440
just say what's going on. I remember Ramona like

01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:38.070
where she. Was it some fundraiser telling some

01:01:38.070 --> 01:01:40.409
gay guy? She's like, yeah, we support the gays.

01:01:40.409 --> 01:01:46.750
We just don't like the gay lifestyle. Oh, my

01:01:46.750 --> 01:01:50.389
God. What was I watching the other day that used

01:01:50.389 --> 01:01:54.130
the term alternative lifestyle? I don't remember.

01:01:54.510 --> 01:01:56.130
I have no idea. But they're always talking about

01:01:56.130 --> 01:01:58.199
the gays. And I'm like, alternative. Alternative

01:01:58.199 --> 01:02:01.820
to what? A nuclear family? I hope so. What do

01:02:01.820 --> 01:02:03.800
you mean by that? I gotta say, I don't want a

01:02:03.800 --> 01:02:05.619
nuclear family. I'm not interested in it. But

01:02:05.619 --> 01:02:08.139
also, gays can have a nuclear family. That's

01:02:08.139 --> 01:02:10.659
true. Like, what are we talking about? Alternative

01:02:10.659 --> 01:02:15.679
to what? I don't... Oh my god. They were suddenly

01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:18.719
older, obviously, so they were just... Whatever.

01:02:18.920 --> 01:02:21.380
They were just talking. Yeah, using whatever

01:02:21.380 --> 01:02:26.699
language they had at their disposal. um so today

01:02:26.699 --> 01:02:29.360
we're jumping into season one episode seven of

01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:31.780
real housewives of salt lake city titled fashion

01:02:31.780 --> 01:02:41.320
faux pas um okay god i i love the first season

01:02:41.320 --> 01:02:44.760
of every every real housewives because it's just

01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:46.179
like there's they're still finding their footing

01:02:46.179 --> 01:02:48.800
and you're like you're not sure like how well

01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:51.019
they know each other but like the thing that

01:02:51.019 --> 01:02:55.280
became so clear is that Mary hated Jen Shaw and

01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:58.679
Jen Shaw hated Mary. They are very conflicting

01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:03.079
personalities. Yes. Just objectively. Yes. But

01:03:03.079 --> 01:03:06.059
we pick up where we left off at the fashion show.

01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:08.519
And Mary sat right next to Jen for the fashion

01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:11.820
show. And I love it so much. The tension. You

01:03:11.820 --> 01:03:15.150
could cut it with a knife. And like that's that's

01:03:15.150 --> 01:03:17.710
such a real outside stroke, too, where they have

01:03:17.710 --> 01:03:19.690
they have a fashion show and they're going to

01:03:19.690 --> 01:03:21.429
sit the two people that hate each other the most

01:03:21.429 --> 01:03:24.710
at the front row of the fashion show. Like, I

01:03:24.710 --> 01:03:26.409
love it. So they can make their bitchy little

01:03:26.409 --> 01:03:28.849
faces the whole time. It's beautiful. I love

01:03:28.849 --> 01:03:32.610
it. Whitney walks the runway and she seemed like

01:03:32.610 --> 01:03:34.670
she had the best time. And then Meredith is super

01:03:34.670 --> 01:03:38.650
excited for her and for for Whitney. And she's

01:03:38.650 --> 01:03:41.519
super proud of Brooks. And I. There's something

01:03:41.519 --> 01:03:44.179
about Meredith when she's being a mom that like

01:03:44.179 --> 01:03:47.119
there's a warmth there that like I cannot comprehend

01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:49.679
because like I didn't have it growing up, but

01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:51.940
I love it so much. She's just like her most genuine,

01:03:51.940 --> 01:03:55.500
I think, when she's being a mom. And I get that.

01:03:55.639 --> 01:04:00.550
Like there's there's no kind of like. deeper

01:04:00.550 --> 01:04:02.989
meaning to anything. She's like, I just love

01:04:02.989 --> 01:04:05.269
my son and I'm proud of him for doing this. Also,

01:04:05.570 --> 01:04:09.949
Whitney, again, so hot. So hot. I love watching

01:04:09.949 --> 01:04:12.449
her videos of her pole dancing on Instagram.

01:04:13.449 --> 01:04:18.289
It's beautiful. It's great. Jen makes kind of

01:04:18.289 --> 01:04:21.070
an asshole comment about how it's only one tracksuit,

01:04:21.110 --> 01:04:22.989
but I can tell you right now, I would wear a

01:04:22.989 --> 01:04:26.409
Brooks Marks tracksuit. Yes, okay, but we've

01:04:26.409 --> 01:04:29.130
talked about this before. To have a fashion show

01:04:29.130 --> 01:04:32.849
to show eight models in the same tracksuit is

01:04:32.849 --> 01:04:35.610
insane. Do you want to know what was even more

01:04:35.610 --> 01:04:40.039
insane is where Brooks... I know exactly what

01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:42.179
music video he watched right before he did it

01:04:42.179 --> 01:04:45.119
to the where he's like leading them down the

01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:47.320
runway and he's like strutting and then everyone

01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:51.059
else is like jogging behind him. He watched the

01:04:51.059 --> 01:04:54.179
Commander by Kelly Rowland and David Guetta.

01:04:54.500 --> 01:04:57.179
That's what he watched right before because that's

01:04:57.179 --> 01:04:59.599
the energy he was given. They had to rehearse

01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:02.599
that. They rehearsed these things. I don't know.

01:05:02.619 --> 01:05:04.860
It's just so funny to see a fashion show that's

01:05:04.860 --> 01:05:09.760
like. We have all of these different sizes of

01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:14.980
the same. Look how pussy this is. It's just so

01:05:14.980 --> 01:05:19.019
funny. And I don't know, maybe I'm as awful as

01:05:19.019 --> 01:05:22.300
Jen Schaub. No, I can tell you exactly what it

01:05:22.300 --> 01:05:24.400
was. And this is the thing that I struggle with,

01:05:24.460 --> 01:05:26.380
with like any of these things where like they're

01:05:26.380 --> 01:05:28.500
doing something for the show. And like, I'm not

01:05:28.500 --> 01:05:32.510
saying that Brooks Marks did not have a. A design

01:05:32.510 --> 01:05:35.389
line at some point, because very early in the

01:05:35.389 --> 01:05:37.829
show, he was like sketching. You saw all of it.

01:05:38.530 --> 01:05:40.550
Yeah. And I don't want to take his dream away

01:05:40.550 --> 01:05:43.030
from him. Just this fashion show is funny to

01:05:43.030 --> 01:05:47.530
me. It is because you can tell they're like,

01:05:47.550 --> 01:05:50.250
I would imagine there was a conversation at some

01:05:50.250 --> 01:05:52.449
point where they were like, have you done anything

01:05:52.449 --> 01:05:54.090
else besides the tracksuit? And he was like,

01:05:54.170 --> 01:05:57.880
not yet. Because he was still in his undergrad

01:05:57.880 --> 01:06:01.719
at the time. Yeah. And he was taking a year off

01:06:01.719 --> 01:06:03.420
of college. And it was the whole thing. Like,

01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:06.199
I know this conversation happened. And then they

01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:08.119
were like, okay, let's lean into the tracksuit.

01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:11.440
Like, that was the conversation. You cannot tell

01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:14.059
me. And I like the tracksuit. The tracksuit is

01:06:14.059 --> 01:06:19.019
kind. We love it. It is one tracksuit in multiple

01:06:19.019 --> 01:06:23.559
sizes. Yes. But whatever. He sold it. It's fine.

01:06:25.070 --> 01:06:27.269
But Meredith and Brooks FaceTime Seth and it's

01:06:27.269 --> 01:06:30.010
the most uncomfortable thing I've ever seen because

01:06:30.010 --> 01:06:34.570
Seth is trying so, so, so hard to be like a supportive

01:06:34.570 --> 01:06:38.510
dad. And Brooks is like, my feelings don't matter.

01:06:38.670 --> 01:06:39.969
I wish you could have been here. I wish I was

01:06:39.969 --> 01:06:41.949
important to you. And I was like, which, by the

01:06:41.949 --> 01:06:43.670
way, this is the second call they've had. It's

01:06:43.670 --> 01:06:47.929
like that. And it's like. So he's not there.

01:06:48.170 --> 01:06:50.469
Why would you even answer the FaceTime or call

01:06:50.469 --> 01:06:52.570
him in the first place? Like, if you're just

01:06:52.570 --> 01:06:55.610
going to be bitchy. Because he wanted to be bitchy.

01:06:56.210 --> 01:06:58.550
Like, let's call it what it is. Like, you wanted

01:06:58.550 --> 01:07:01.050
to be mean to your dad. And, like, you'll never

01:07:01.050 --> 01:07:02.889
find anyone that understands wanting to be mean

01:07:02.889 --> 01:07:05.130
to their dad more than me. But, like, calm down,

01:07:05.230 --> 01:07:09.019
Diva. Right. Like, he's. Not trying to be evil.

01:07:09.179 --> 01:07:12.159
He's not trying to hurt your feelings. No, he's

01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:14.219
going through a separation with your mother,

01:07:14.300 --> 01:07:18.599
and he's in Ohio. He's in Canton, Ohio. Right.

01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:20.619
Come on. And I'm sure Meredith would have let

01:07:20.619 --> 01:07:24.340
him be there, but I'm also sure he's working.

01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:28.199
Yes, he's supporting your tracksuit life. Was

01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:31.099
he really in an airport, like, going to do something?

01:07:31.179 --> 01:07:36.039
Like, he has shit he has to do. My God. Okay.

01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:41.800
Um, where are we at? Oh, Whitney goes to beauty

01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:46.099
lab to get a facial and chats with Heather. Yeah.

01:07:46.179 --> 01:07:48.420
And I, this is something I didn't realize. Um,

01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:51.219
Heather talks about how her entire business is

01:07:51.219 --> 01:07:53.679
built entirely on Instagram and they've never

01:07:53.679 --> 01:07:58.099
once paid for marketing. That is so slay. I like

01:07:58.099 --> 01:08:01.360
imagine being the talk of the town. I love that.

01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:05.250
I love that. Um, Dan pack. more about heather's

01:08:05.250 --> 01:08:07.690
divorce and then whitney equates the mormon experience

01:08:07.690 --> 01:08:12.389
to being like held under a thumb and it's how

01:08:12.389 --> 01:08:16.069
like the entire mormon experience is super oppressive

01:08:16.069 --> 01:08:20.710
and whitney's a super supportive friend and like

01:08:20.710 --> 01:08:24.630
slash cousin in this moment because i think she's

01:08:24.630 --> 01:08:26.630
she's a good listener like that's what i really

01:08:26.630 --> 01:08:28.550
like about whitney is like you you never get

01:08:28.550 --> 01:08:30.670
the whole like oh i'm only here for the show

01:08:30.670 --> 01:08:32.670
like whitney i feel like when she shows up she

01:08:32.670 --> 01:08:36.760
shows up oh yeah i honestly feel like she is

01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:40.279
one of the better housewives about just like

01:08:40.279 --> 01:08:43.260
being herself first and the cameras are like

01:08:43.260 --> 01:08:45.760
an afterthought like oh yeah oh they're just

01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:48.380
here for this like whatever i would have done

01:08:48.380 --> 01:08:51.659
it exactly this way if they weren't anyway absolutely

01:08:51.659 --> 01:08:54.520
um i do think she's really good at that i also

01:08:54.520 --> 01:09:00.840
appreciate her listening to heather because At

01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:04.260
this point and with her mental state and everything,

01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:07.579
I think Heather needs someone who is willing

01:09:07.579 --> 01:09:10.899
to just absorb what she's saying and be a firm

01:09:10.899 --> 01:09:15.060
hand. That's like, no, you deserve to be happy.

01:09:16.220 --> 01:09:20.880
Yes. And I think that the mental state's probably

01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:23.579
like the best way to describe it is like, I don't

01:09:23.579 --> 01:09:26.880
think Heather was in a place after her divorce.

01:09:26.899 --> 01:09:30.279
Cause like, I mean, she. lost most of her identity

01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:33.420
when she separated from billy so i think yes

01:09:33.420 --> 01:09:35.600
like there's there's something that like really

01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:39.560
needed to like just they're like i think someone

01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:41.000
had to be like i'm gonna help you out of the

01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:43.319
other side like come on right and i honestly

01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:47.100
think her divorce was such a gift to her oh a

01:09:47.100 --> 01:09:49.699
million percent like she would have never been

01:09:49.699 --> 01:09:52.000
her amazing self if she would have just stayed

01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:55.840
with that man right and so i'm I'm glad that

01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:58.420
she got that, but I do feel bad for her because

01:09:58.420 --> 01:10:01.600
you can tell she's struggling. Yeah. And speaking

01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:03.659
of struggling, we go over to Jen's house and

01:10:03.659 --> 01:10:05.680
Jen opens up a little bit about needing to go

01:10:05.680 --> 01:10:07.640
on antidepressants after her dad passed away

01:10:07.640 --> 01:10:10.020
and how much of a strain that put on her emotionally.

01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:14.100
And I remember her getting into it and something

01:10:14.100 --> 01:10:16.979
that I don't love like this. If I had one critique

01:10:16.979 --> 01:10:20.520
of coach Shaw, it is this, I guess like before

01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:24.649
she went on antidepressants. he was like we don't

01:10:24.649 --> 01:10:26.970
see therapists we don't we don't take antidepressants

01:10:26.970 --> 01:10:30.609
we we keep moving and like that's so real for

01:10:30.609 --> 01:10:34.050
me because my entire family is that way and i'm

01:10:34.050 --> 01:10:37.569
like oh baby he's the type to a t2 because he's

01:10:37.569 --> 01:10:41.210
a football coach right so he's like mental toughness

01:10:41.210 --> 01:10:45.029
equals physical toughness and all of this stuff

01:10:45.029 --> 01:10:50.720
and the part of him that i really struggle with

01:10:50.720 --> 01:10:54.220
right is i understand he has a busy schedule

01:10:54.220 --> 01:10:56.500
because he's literally coaching football as i

01:10:56.500 --> 01:11:01.399
just said he doesn't always show up when he needs

01:11:01.399 --> 01:11:05.819
to show up right mentally like emotionally or

01:11:05.819 --> 01:11:08.960
physically not making it to the funeral is almost

01:11:08.960 --> 01:11:13.140
unforgivable for me yeah i get it to some extent

01:11:13.140 --> 01:11:17.050
you're coaching a game whatever The coaching

01:11:17.050 --> 01:11:21.369
staff isn't just one person, though. Right. And

01:11:21.369 --> 01:11:26.670
I feel like he didn't show up for her emotionally

01:11:26.670 --> 01:11:30.649
when she really needed it after that. Right.

01:11:30.789 --> 01:11:33.810
So I don't know. I struggle with that with him.

01:11:33.850 --> 01:11:36.170
I really like him, but I love Coach Shaw. I do

01:11:36.170 --> 01:11:40.619
think he's absent sometimes. Yeah. um we're at

01:11:40.619 --> 01:11:43.960
our lisa's house and lisa and john sit jack and

01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:46.359
henry down to set goals as a family and can you

01:11:46.359 --> 01:11:57.300
this is something that if it were any other house

01:11:57.300 --> 01:11:59.699
i would a million percent believe it was put

01:11:59.699 --> 01:12:05.680
on just for the show i genuinely believe i know

01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:09.029
they do this every six months I know this. Lisa

01:12:09.029 --> 01:12:12.189
and John Barlow are like, let's sit down with

01:12:12.189 --> 01:12:14.390
the Quarterly Goals family. She needs to write

01:12:14.390 --> 01:12:17.970
like a self -help book. I think it would be so

01:12:17.970 --> 01:12:24.050
slay. I think it would be really good for someone

01:12:24.050 --> 01:12:27.109
that cannot hear any negative commentary whatsoever.

01:12:27.770 --> 01:12:32.350
I think that's like not even that I would follow

01:12:32.350 --> 01:12:35.390
any of it. It's just he has so many of these

01:12:35.390 --> 01:12:38.149
little sayings and things about being goal oriented

01:12:38.149 --> 01:12:41.390
and la -di -na -di -da. She just needs to write

01:12:41.390 --> 01:12:46.649
it all down. I think you never watched Severance

01:12:46.649 --> 01:12:50.189
or like. Or like, I mean, it's a theme in like

01:12:50.189 --> 01:12:53.890
every show and movie that has ever existed. But

01:12:53.890 --> 01:12:56.529
like every main character, every like main theme

01:12:56.529 --> 01:12:59.609
is like different parts of a personality. Like

01:12:59.609 --> 01:13:02.189
we're in Harry Potter, like the four houses are

01:13:02.189 --> 01:13:05.529
like you can see something in each of yourself

01:13:05.529 --> 01:13:09.729
in each of those, whatever. For all of these

01:13:09.729 --> 01:13:13.229
housewives, I think. Lisa Barlow for me is like

01:13:13.229 --> 01:13:16.949
the id of like when you're getting into like

01:13:16.949 --> 01:13:19.949
the psychology of ego where it's like, oh, no,

01:13:20.289 --> 01:13:23.060
I can't. I am. There's nothing that like I. I

01:13:23.060 --> 01:13:24.899
know you care that I have a tequila brand. What's

01:13:24.899 --> 01:13:26.659
important is that I don't and like, just keep

01:13:26.659 --> 01:13:28.680
it moving. Like that is something that the resilience

01:13:28.680 --> 01:13:31.539
of Lisa Barlow is something that I will never,

01:13:31.579 --> 01:13:35.260
like I'll never have an ounce of her confidence.

01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:38.760
She, and you and I are confident people too.

01:13:38.819 --> 01:13:41.159
That's the thing. I, she takes it to an entirely

01:13:41.159 --> 01:13:45.130
different level. Lisa Barlow level is like. There's

01:13:45.130 --> 01:13:48.850
like not a word for whatever she has. Self -assured,

01:13:48.909 --> 01:13:52.869
not even the word. She has never doubted herself

01:13:52.869 --> 01:13:59.649
not once. So we head over there and they're setting

01:13:59.649 --> 01:14:02.369
out their goals. Jack's goals are to pass his

01:14:02.369 --> 01:14:06.289
driving test and to get shredded. I think that's

01:14:06.289 --> 01:14:10.270
beautiful for a little teenager, preteen, whatever.

01:14:13.260 --> 01:14:17.779
Henry. Go ahead. Henry wants to get straight

01:14:17.779 --> 01:14:23.199
A's, get a solo win on Fortnite, meet Post Malone,

01:14:23.539 --> 01:14:28.020
get good at drawing, and kiss a girl at 15 years

01:14:28.020 --> 01:14:34.619
old. Oh, and also to have triplets. It's like

01:14:34.619 --> 01:14:36.960
he didn't quite get what goals were. And that's

01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:40.579
fine. He said, oh, things I want to achieve.

01:14:40.899 --> 01:14:46.100
I've got some things. Oh, my God. I think it's

01:14:46.100 --> 01:14:50.000
perfect. And I appreciate that she didn't judge

01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:52.699
what their goals were. She said, I told you to

01:14:52.699 --> 01:14:55.579
write down goals and you did that. Yes. And I

01:14:55.579 --> 01:14:59.619
that's something the mothers on Salt Lake City,

01:14:59.779 --> 01:15:04.199
like the only ones that rival. these mothers

01:15:04.199 --> 01:15:06.939
are like the moms on new jersey we're like i

01:15:06.939 --> 01:15:09.159
i don't think there's a there's a really a bad

01:15:09.159 --> 01:15:12.140
mom in any of the cities but like this the moms

01:15:12.140 --> 01:15:14.739
on salt lake city when they are moms they are

01:15:14.739 --> 01:15:23.250
incredible mothers oh yeah yeah but like I love

01:15:23.250 --> 01:15:25.890
that Lisa was like, that's so beautiful. You're

01:15:25.890 --> 01:15:28.390
doing it. Yeah. Like, I love that. That's so

01:15:28.390 --> 01:15:30.909
cool. She would support them in anything. We

01:15:30.909 --> 01:15:33.930
see that later with their hair care brand or

01:15:33.930 --> 01:15:36.430
whatever. She's like, if that's what you want

01:15:36.430 --> 01:15:38.649
to do, absolutely. Let's do it. Let's do it.

01:15:38.689 --> 01:15:42.789
Yeah. Which I should order some of that on Amazon

01:15:42.789 --> 01:15:46.090
because I've heard that it's still around. I've

01:15:46.090 --> 01:15:47.869
heard that it's, it smells like Dior Sauvage

01:15:47.869 --> 01:15:52.510
and you know, that's my favorite cologne. But

01:15:52.510 --> 01:15:54.350
John encourages Lisa to slow down a little bit

01:15:54.350 --> 01:15:56.710
and start saying no. And then Lisa reminds me

01:15:56.710 --> 01:15:59.329
so much of like my papa and one of the guys that

01:15:59.329 --> 01:16:02.750
we used to work for because she's so terrified

01:16:02.750 --> 01:16:07.649
to not be working and busy. Yeah, I've always

01:16:07.649 --> 01:16:10.689
had a problem with that. Right. If you say you're.

01:16:11.340 --> 01:16:14.079
Goal oriented. That's fine. That's beautiful.

01:16:14.199 --> 01:16:16.619
I love that for you. Why can't you add it to

01:16:16.619 --> 01:16:19.300
your goals to spend more time with your family?

01:16:19.840 --> 01:16:22.840
Ken kind of does this where he's like, every

01:16:22.840 --> 01:16:24.619
year at the beginning of the year, we don't really

01:16:24.619 --> 01:16:28.659
do resolutions. We just try to say what we want

01:16:28.659 --> 01:16:33.079
out of the year. And he's always like, I just

01:16:33.079 --> 01:16:37.119
want to be a better person every single year.

01:16:38.700 --> 01:16:41.579
But like he's a workaholic, too. He's like that.

01:16:41.659 --> 01:16:45.119
Oh, absolutely. And but it's never like I want

01:16:45.119 --> 01:16:48.319
to be a better person by coming up with more

01:16:48.319 --> 01:16:51.180
ideas for us to spend time together. I want to

01:16:51.180 --> 01:16:54.220
be a better person by showing up more. And I

01:16:54.220 --> 01:16:58.600
see this by so like from so many people all the

01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:01.479
time. And it's like that's a part of your life,

01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:06.460
too. I think. When it comes to, like, people

01:17:06.460 --> 01:17:09.260
like Kenny, and I'm guilty of this, too, where,

01:17:09.340 --> 01:17:14.479
like, I feel like my worth as, like, an individual

01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:16.539
is, like, how much I'm accomplishing, how many

01:17:16.539 --> 01:17:19.159
boxes I'm checking, how packed my calendar is,

01:17:19.220 --> 01:17:22.819
like, how tired I am each day. I just don't,

01:17:22.819 --> 01:17:25.619
and I don't know. Like, this is probably an unpopular

01:17:25.619 --> 01:17:28.920
opinion, and I'm okay with that. But, like, part

01:17:28.920 --> 01:17:31.100
of your calendar, part of your accomplishments.

01:17:32.769 --> 01:17:37.329
include your family and and whatever it's just

01:17:37.329 --> 01:17:41.890
you don't get awarded for that right you're not

01:17:41.890 --> 01:17:45.789
getting a raise for showing up for your family

01:17:45.789 --> 01:17:48.949
right you're not always even getting a pat on

01:17:48.949 --> 01:17:51.210
the back for that right you know what i mean

01:17:51.210 --> 01:17:55.750
so it's like it's tough for me because i'm like

01:17:55.750 --> 01:17:58.489
i understand why you don't feel like this is

01:17:58.489 --> 01:18:02.510
something to work towards but I think it is.

01:18:02.550 --> 01:18:04.789
No, but I think it's part of your life, too.

01:18:04.970 --> 01:18:07.829
I think there is like some satisfaction and some

01:18:07.829 --> 01:18:09.789
achievement that comes out of that because it's

01:18:09.789 --> 01:18:15.729
like I know that like if I decide I'm not going

01:18:15.729 --> 01:18:18.029
to do homework or like I'm not going to do something

01:18:18.029 --> 01:18:20.569
one night, like I'm not going to like whatever.

01:18:20.689 --> 01:18:22.869
And I'm just I spend the entire night just like

01:18:22.869 --> 01:18:25.350
hanging out with Boomer, like playing with him.

01:18:26.369 --> 01:18:28.550
I can tell at the end and I'm going to start

01:18:28.550 --> 01:18:30.329
crying about this. I can tell at the end of the

01:18:30.329 --> 01:18:33.430
night how happy he is and like how worn out he

01:18:33.430 --> 01:18:36.609
is. And he cuddles and he does the whole thing

01:18:36.609 --> 01:18:38.390
because he's like, I got to spend the night with

01:18:38.390 --> 01:18:41.449
my dad and I had the greatest time ever. And

01:18:41.449 --> 01:18:45.699
there. There's such an immense sense of that

01:18:45.699 --> 01:18:49.100
for me where it's like, I love that. And I don't,

01:18:49.100 --> 01:18:50.960
I don't think anyone prioritizes that enough.

01:18:51.100 --> 01:18:53.659
Like, I think that like, you know, everything

01:18:53.659 --> 01:18:56.020
in moderation and like balance and all that.

01:18:56.340 --> 01:18:58.640
I'm not saying you should slack off at work,

01:18:58.659 --> 01:19:01.319
right. To show up for your family. But I am saying

01:19:01.319 --> 01:19:05.819
like Lisa Barlow, if she were to skip an event

01:19:05.819 --> 01:19:11.460
that she was supposed to host to take her kids

01:19:11.460 --> 01:19:16.880
to Disneyland, I feel like she would see that

01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:21.779
as a massive failure. Oh, a loss. Yeah. Like

01:19:21.779 --> 01:19:24.939
she lost something from that. And that is what

01:19:24.939 --> 01:19:27.359
makes me sad. And I'm not saying she's wrong.

01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:29.560
I'm not saying any of that. It just makes me

01:19:29.560 --> 01:19:33.300
sad that people think that way. I agree. I agree.

01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:36.840
It's the society we live in to this whole grind

01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:40.039
set thing of like, you're only as good as how

01:19:40.039 --> 01:19:43.800
much money you're making or whatever. So I get

01:19:43.800 --> 01:19:47.939
it. I do. But it's like, dang. Yeah, it sucks.

01:19:49.500 --> 01:19:54.000
But Meredith, Jen and Heather all go out to dinner

01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:56.380
and the girls get into Meredith's separation.

01:19:57.119 --> 01:20:00.300
And Meredith kind of acknowledges how they like

01:20:00.300 --> 01:20:03.640
have to both work on their own stuff. And they.

01:20:05.500 --> 01:20:07.880
That's what this time is for. What I do appreciate

01:20:07.880 --> 01:20:10.680
about Meredith is that she's never once said

01:20:10.680 --> 01:20:13.239
Seth is the entire problem in this. I'm completely

01:20:13.239 --> 01:20:16.119
innocent. I am. I'm the woman. I've done nothing

01:20:16.119 --> 01:20:18.779
wrong. I really love that about Meredith. Yeah,

01:20:18.920 --> 01:20:21.699
I think she's honest that it's both sides of

01:20:21.699 --> 01:20:24.260
the thing. What I will say about Meredith Marks,

01:20:24.260 --> 01:20:27.579
she's a lot of things, a DJ, an icon, a jewelry

01:20:27.579 --> 01:20:30.939
designer. What she is not is an open book. You're

01:20:30.939 --> 01:20:32.760
not getting anything out of her that she does

01:20:32.760 --> 01:20:37.140
not want to give to you. And I think. to some

01:20:37.140 --> 01:20:39.720
degree i understand that but jen does get set

01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:42.119
or does get frustrated with that she feels like

01:20:42.119 --> 01:20:43.960
meredith isn't being entirely transparent but

01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:48.479
at the same time i can say it to meredith she's

01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:50.960
trying to figure out where she and seth stand

01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:52.920
right now so it's like how much do i want to

01:20:52.920 --> 01:20:55.880
let out like how much do i want to say like national

01:20:55.880 --> 01:20:58.960
television i i'm i'm dating another guy says

01:20:58.960 --> 01:21:01.479
dating another woman like what whatever like

01:21:01.479 --> 01:21:03.220
and if that's fine for you that's fine because

01:21:03.220 --> 01:21:05.600
we we do come to see that she does admit that

01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:08.680
at a certain point later in the second season

01:21:08.680 --> 01:21:14.960
but um but yeah she she jen feels frustrated

01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:17.380
that she feels like that meredith isn't being

01:21:17.380 --> 01:21:19.020
fully transparent so she pushes a little bit

01:21:19.020 --> 01:21:23.340
more and then you see Meredith kind of get uncomfortable

01:21:23.340 --> 01:21:25.659
and this is I think the first time we see this

01:21:25.659 --> 01:21:29.600
from Meredith where she's like well like you

01:21:29.600 --> 01:21:33.399
see it happening and she tells us like that it's

01:21:33.399 --> 01:21:39.260
really about communication and we jump to a confessional

01:21:39.260 --> 01:21:41.119
immediately with Jen being like there's more

01:21:41.119 --> 01:21:43.020
to the story I've heard more to the story like

01:21:44.409 --> 01:21:46.489
Okay, but that's not really your place, Jen.

01:21:46.930 --> 01:21:48.710
Well, but at the same time, tell us what you've

01:21:48.710 --> 01:21:51.510
heard. I hate this trope of like, there's so

01:21:51.510 --> 01:21:53.170
much more to the story because we never really

01:21:53.170 --> 01:21:58.729
hear the full breadth of what. Yeah. I do think

01:21:58.729 --> 01:22:01.430
in Meredith's defense, I wasn't trying to come

01:22:01.430 --> 01:22:05.189
for her. No, sure. I do think part of being successful

01:22:05.189 --> 01:22:09.909
on Housewives and like being on for several seasons.

01:22:11.829 --> 01:22:14.409
is deciding what you're willing to share and

01:22:14.409 --> 01:22:17.010
sticking to your guns, not letting people get

01:22:17.010 --> 01:22:18.789
it out of you just because they know more than

01:22:18.789 --> 01:22:22.670
you're willing to say. Sure. So I understand

01:22:22.670 --> 01:22:28.229
her to some extent. I also feel like I hate that,

01:22:28.250 --> 01:22:31.109
too. There's more to this story that you guys

01:22:31.109 --> 01:22:33.260
aren't hearing. It's like. What's the point of

01:22:33.260 --> 01:22:35.819
saying that? What is the point of you saying

01:22:35.819 --> 01:22:37.359
that? Because it's the thing is like it's either

01:22:37.359 --> 01:22:39.420
going to make and part of this is the producer's

01:22:39.420 --> 01:22:42.239
fault because it's just like why did you leave

01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:45.640
that in? They make you think that you're going

01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:48.239
to hear more about it if you like keep watching.

01:22:48.579 --> 01:22:50.619
Well that and then like this is where you get

01:22:50.619 --> 01:22:55.500
like I mean the minefield of Reddit and the bloggers

01:22:55.500 --> 01:22:58.720
like in the, the, the tick tock influencers for

01:22:58.720 --> 01:23:01.359
Bravo or whatever. Like, yeah, I'm not interested

01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:03.140
in any of their opinions. I'm going to be super,

01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:05.979
like, I love the Bravo bros. They don't know

01:23:05.979 --> 01:23:09.310
any more than we do. No, but the producers do

01:23:09.310 --> 01:23:12.770
that. They like hint at some side story that

01:23:12.770 --> 01:23:15.770
they won't share. And so, of course, that just

01:23:15.770 --> 01:23:18.810
ignites the rumor mill. Exactly. Because if you're

01:23:18.810 --> 01:23:20.850
not going to tell people, people will make it

01:23:20.850 --> 01:23:23.829
up. Or they'll think they're super sleuths and

01:23:23.829 --> 01:23:26.350
go on all of the Instagrams and all of the Twitters

01:23:26.350 --> 01:23:29.449
and all of these things and think they can piece

01:23:29.449 --> 01:23:31.789
it together. Yeah. And it's like, if you're not

01:23:31.789 --> 01:23:33.649
going to give us a storyline, just don't give

01:23:33.649 --> 01:23:37.300
us a storyline. Absolutely. And then Whitney

01:23:37.300 --> 01:23:40.060
and her dad go to a trampoline park that 100

01:23:40.060 --> 01:23:44.260
% I know smells like feet. And Whitney tells

01:23:44.260 --> 01:23:47.359
us about how she always was scared that her kids

01:23:47.359 --> 01:23:49.979
would never know their grandpa the way she knew

01:23:49.979 --> 01:23:56.479
him growing up. I get that, though. Like, I mean,

01:23:56.579 --> 01:23:59.020
something I'm really happy about is that, like,

01:23:59.020 --> 01:24:01.020
my niece and nephew are getting to know my dad

01:24:01.020 --> 01:24:03.199
in a way that I never knew my dad. That's kind

01:24:03.199 --> 01:24:05.779
of cool. Well, yeah, but I think for Whitney,

01:24:05.920 --> 01:24:09.619
it was like my dad was great growing up and then

01:24:09.619 --> 01:24:12.600
he really lost it. And I was scared we'd never

01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:15.520
get him back type of thing. That's fair. She's

01:24:15.520 --> 01:24:17.300
experiencing like almost the opposite of what

01:24:17.300 --> 01:24:21.479
I'm just a little different. It's like I think

01:24:21.479 --> 01:24:25.359
regardless of who your dad is, whether he had

01:24:25.359 --> 01:24:29.020
addiction problems or not, it's so cool to see

01:24:29.020 --> 01:24:32.680
them as a grandpa. Absolutely. It's so interesting.

01:24:33.689 --> 01:24:36.369
But yeah, I really did feel for her. It did remind

01:24:36.369 --> 01:24:39.550
me of Huck a little bit. But that like, can you

01:24:39.550 --> 01:24:43.109
imagine just being like, oh, my kids are going

01:24:43.109 --> 01:24:45.489
to I'm never going to know my dad the way I know

01:24:45.489 --> 01:24:49.350
my dad like that. Yeah, so sad. I get that. That

01:24:49.350 --> 01:24:57.850
is sad. The dad, Diane Warren, as Carrie from

01:24:57.850 --> 01:25:02.159
Sexy Unique Podcast calls him. He seems to be

01:25:02.159 --> 01:25:04.020
doing really well in sober living and a therapist.

01:25:04.579 --> 01:25:08.079
We hear that his therapist thinks that he's ready

01:25:08.079 --> 01:25:11.159
to move on to the next step, which is OK. You're

01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:15.039
fine. We hear that he's ready to move on to the

01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:19.600
next step of of the of the process, which is

01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:22.000
living in an apartment and finding a job so you

01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:25.239
can start living his life. He's only 21 days

01:25:25.239 --> 01:25:28.300
in at this point, though. I think he relapsed,

01:25:28.300 --> 01:25:33.960
though. Like, I think he hit a restart. Maybe.

01:25:34.739 --> 01:25:37.819
The thing that I'm really curious about is, like,

01:25:37.840 --> 01:25:39.720
I would like to hear the therapist say this,

01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:44.939
because I don't buy that 21 days in, you're ready

01:25:44.939 --> 01:25:47.619
for anything. Like, I mean, they say you need,

01:25:47.659 --> 01:25:50.500
like, at least three months, like, of sober living.

01:25:50.640 --> 01:25:55.520
Like, that's a thing. Yeah. I don't know. I thought

01:25:55.520 --> 01:25:58.260
that, okay, because I thought he had been in

01:25:58.260 --> 01:26:00.659
sober living for longer than 21 days at this

01:26:00.659 --> 01:26:06.289
point. The timeline on this show is so... off

01:26:06.289 --> 01:26:08.609
to me because like i think they like picked up

01:26:08.609 --> 01:26:12.109
like filming in just random parts of the year

01:26:12.109 --> 01:26:16.369
like yeah i can't really get a full timeline

01:26:16.369 --> 01:26:19.550
on this show right and i think that's why in

01:26:19.550 --> 01:26:22.270
my mind he had relapsed because i thought he

01:26:22.270 --> 01:26:26.430
had a lot more time before the 21 days right

01:26:26.829 --> 01:26:30.210
But I don't know. It reminds me so much of Secret

01:26:30.210 --> 01:26:32.689
Lives of Mormon Wives where like they would like

01:26:32.689 --> 01:26:34.649
end an episode and then the next episode would

01:26:34.649 --> 01:26:37.149
be like six months later or something. Yeah,

01:26:37.149 --> 01:26:42.310
I remember that. The arrest or whatever. Yeah,

01:26:42.510 --> 01:26:46.289
it was Taylor getting arrested, skinny as can

01:26:46.289 --> 01:26:49.390
be. And then they jump back in and she's like

01:26:49.390 --> 01:26:52.869
six months pregnant. And so for me, I'm just

01:26:52.869 --> 01:26:55.510
like. I think I've just come to expect that in

01:26:55.510 --> 01:26:57.970
Utah where like time does not move the same way

01:26:57.970 --> 01:26:59.810
it does in the real world. Yeah, I don't know

01:26:59.810 --> 01:27:02.970
what's happening. But regardless, yeah. Also,

01:27:03.010 --> 01:27:05.590
that's not me shitting on him for relapsing.

01:27:05.590 --> 01:27:07.909
No, not at all. That's part of recovery. Yeah.

01:27:07.989 --> 01:27:11.170
That's not. But yeah, I don't know. And he doesn't,

01:27:11.170 --> 01:27:13.250
I don't know. Just the way he speaks and the

01:27:13.250 --> 01:27:16.850
way he presents this information makes me question

01:27:16.850 --> 01:27:19.170
it too. Like I would love for Whitney to sit

01:27:19.170 --> 01:27:22.880
down with his therapist. Well, and on. In defense

01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:26.260
of Whitney's dad, he was a self -made millionaire.

01:27:26.439 --> 01:27:29.039
And to some degree, I can understand being like,

01:27:29.159 --> 01:27:32.000
OK, I want to get back to living. Like, I don't

01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:34.060
want to do this. I felt that the whole time,

01:27:34.140 --> 01:27:36.920
like since we met him. Yeah. And I also feel

01:27:36.920 --> 01:27:40.159
it because he did hair. That's how he like made

01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:45.039
his millions. The fact that his hair looks the

01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:48.680
way it does, I think is a literal cry for help.

01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:52.670
And that seems so mean to say out loud. I know

01:27:52.670 --> 01:27:55.149
that that sounds mean, but can anyone understand

01:27:55.149 --> 01:27:58.689
what I'm trying to say? I do. But it's like with

01:27:58.689 --> 01:28:00.550
a gay guy where he dyes his hair blonde and you're

01:28:00.550 --> 01:28:05.729
like, oh, he needs his hand held right now. Right.

01:28:05.850 --> 01:28:07.930
Someone needs to talk to him. Yeah. Is he okay?

01:28:08.050 --> 01:28:10.850
It's like when a straight girl dyes her hair

01:28:10.850 --> 01:28:14.229
red. Oh, my God. Yes. Yeah. It's like, okay.

01:28:14.859 --> 01:28:17.560
Sit down. And for him, it's even more extreme,

01:28:17.579 --> 01:28:19.899
I think, because he's a hairdresser. So like

01:28:19.899 --> 01:28:22.960
he knows exactly what he's doing. Absolutely.

01:28:23.220 --> 01:28:27.960
Yes. I don't know. Anyway, we head over to Heather's

01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:30.590
house where. she's hanging out with her daughters

01:28:30.590 --> 01:28:33.890
and like i really really really love to see heather

01:28:33.890 --> 01:28:35.909
with her daughters and like i always get kind

01:28:35.909 --> 01:28:38.130
of jealous because like i never had this dynamic

01:28:38.130 --> 01:28:41.470
like ever in my life she's a very cool mom she's

01:28:41.470 --> 01:28:43.630
a very cool mom but she's also the mom where

01:28:43.630 --> 01:28:46.729
it's like oh you know these daughters have never

01:28:46.729 --> 01:28:49.989
once gone to bed and asked themselves does my

01:28:49.989 --> 01:28:52.250
mom care about me like they've always felt safe

01:28:52.250 --> 01:28:54.229
they've always felt like everything they needed

01:28:54.229 --> 01:28:58.109
to feel from heather Yeah. And I also feel like

01:28:58.109 --> 01:29:01.710
she has such an open line of communication between

01:29:01.710 --> 01:29:04.970
them. Like, yeah, it's very nice. Very nice.

01:29:05.829 --> 01:29:08.250
They all sit down and they start to unpack Heather's

01:29:08.250 --> 01:29:10.149
feelings about how she thinks she's failed in

01:29:10.149 --> 01:29:12.550
some aspects. And she's really honest about not

01:29:12.550 --> 01:29:15.470
knowing where she's at right now. And she shares

01:29:15.470 --> 01:29:18.909
that she wants to drink and date. And there's

01:29:18.909 --> 01:29:23.289
a lot of fear with choosing this path. Right.

01:29:23.430 --> 01:29:26.029
Because she was married to the King Mormon for

01:29:26.029 --> 01:29:28.869
so long. Like, of course, she's like, yeah, I

01:29:28.869 --> 01:29:31.689
don't know. But hearing the way her daughters

01:29:31.689 --> 01:29:35.869
react is just so like you did a good fucking

01:29:35.869 --> 01:29:39.270
job. Oh, for sure. Because they all agree that

01:29:39.270 --> 01:29:43.289
she deserves happiness and light and life for

01:29:43.289 --> 01:29:47.489
herself. And I I think it's so beautiful. I love

01:29:47.489 --> 01:29:50.130
it. I just tell they really like love each other.

01:29:50.390 --> 01:29:56.329
Absolutely. But also, isn't this after she was

01:29:56.329 --> 01:29:59.789
bagging that guy at the party at Jen's house?

01:29:59.869 --> 01:30:03.130
I think for a very long time, she kept those

01:30:03.130 --> 01:30:06.810
two parts of her life very separate. Not a very

01:30:06.810 --> 01:30:14.010
long time. I think once she... and maybe maybe

01:30:14.010 --> 01:30:16.529
at jen's house she realized like oh i don't want

01:30:16.529 --> 01:30:18.350
to be two different people anymore like i want

01:30:18.350 --> 01:30:22.409
to just like be authentic yeah and not to say

01:30:22.409 --> 01:30:24.210
that she should tell her daughters every time

01:30:24.210 --> 01:30:26.529
she's casually hooking up with someone like obviously

01:30:26.529 --> 01:30:30.229
no that'd be weird right but like i don't know

01:30:30.779 --> 01:30:32.960
Yeah, I guess she's just like sharing with them

01:30:32.960 --> 01:30:35.539
that like this is what she wants to do now. Like,

01:30:35.539 --> 01:30:38.539
which is nice to have that conversation instead

01:30:38.539 --> 01:30:42.380
of just watching you start drinking and dating

01:30:42.380 --> 01:30:45.699
and stuff. And part of it, I feel like had to

01:30:45.699 --> 01:30:47.600
have been like, oh, they're going to see this

01:30:47.600 --> 01:30:50.539
on the show. Like I have to like be real with

01:30:50.539 --> 01:30:53.500
them. But also just like in the house, like if

01:30:53.500 --> 01:30:55.979
your mom never, ever drank and now all of a sudden

01:30:55.979 --> 01:30:58.319
there's always an open wine bottle in the fridge.

01:30:59.100 --> 01:31:00.960
Or whatever. You know what I mean? Or, like,

01:31:01.039 --> 01:31:04.020
your mom has always kept to herself, but now

01:31:04.020 --> 01:31:05.800
she's saying she's going out on a date. Like,

01:31:05.800 --> 01:31:08.039
it's nice that she's addressing it with her daughters

01:31:08.039 --> 01:31:13.779
first. Yeah. Yeah. And then we head over to Whitney's

01:31:13.779 --> 01:31:16.100
house with Jen so they can work out together.

01:31:16.260 --> 01:31:18.220
And we find out that Whitney's had a stripper

01:31:18.220 --> 01:31:21.260
pull in every house she's ever owned. And Whitney

01:31:21.260 --> 01:31:25.380
could honestly be an instructor. Honestly, from

01:31:25.380 --> 01:31:28.899
the material... I've seen is looking like she

01:31:28.899 --> 01:31:31.699
really could be an instructor. She's very good

01:31:31.699 --> 01:31:34.720
at the whole thing. She's strong as fuck. She's

01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:37.659
very athletic. She's so strong. You can tell.

01:31:37.840 --> 01:31:42.180
All of her gym clips and all of that in the show,

01:31:42.300 --> 01:31:49.060
she is very fit. Yeah. But Jen brings up that

01:31:49.060 --> 01:31:52.579
Meredith and Seth are having their problems and

01:31:52.579 --> 01:31:54.300
she says if you're not going to get it home,

01:31:54.420 --> 01:31:56.880
you're going to get it somewhere else. And she

01:31:56.880 --> 01:31:58.800
knows exactly what she's doing here. That pissed

01:31:58.800 --> 01:32:01.140
me. Like, you could see the wheels turning. And

01:32:01.140 --> 01:32:04.260
I was like, stop. And then Whitney pushes for

01:32:04.260 --> 01:32:06.180
more information and Jen won't say anything.

01:32:06.439 --> 01:32:11.199
But I hate, hate, hate, hate. Because you've

01:32:11.199 --> 01:32:13.300
watched me interact with people that have done

01:32:13.300 --> 01:32:16.569
this very thing before where it's like. I don't

01:32:16.569 --> 01:32:19.090
know. You'll have to ask this person. Shut the

01:32:19.090 --> 01:32:22.149
fuck up and go home. Don't give me half the story,

01:32:22.250 --> 01:32:24.069
because if you give me half the story, all you're

01:32:24.069 --> 01:32:27.529
doing is telling me you want me to know. Yeah,

01:32:27.569 --> 01:32:31.210
but you're not going to tell me like. I would

01:32:31.210 --> 01:32:33.250
rather you just not tell me that there's a situation

01:32:33.250 --> 01:32:36.050
at all. I don't want to know. Like, let it come

01:32:36.050 --> 01:32:37.850
out on its own. I don't know. Like this whole

01:32:37.850 --> 01:32:39.729
thing of like trying to force the storyline really

01:32:39.729 --> 01:32:42.329
bothers me. But then Jane gives us a confessional

01:32:42.329 --> 01:32:44.390
about how she was at a trunk show for Meredith

01:32:44.390 --> 01:32:47.270
in New York. And there was a guy that said that

01:32:47.270 --> 01:32:49.210
Meredith was the love of his life and that they

01:32:49.210 --> 01:32:51.369
were going to get married. And I don't know that

01:32:51.369 --> 01:32:55.489
I buy that this really happened. No, I don't

01:32:55.489 --> 01:32:59.380
buy that it happened. But if it did happen. Of

01:32:59.380 --> 01:33:01.859
course a man is in love with Meredith Marks.

01:33:01.859 --> 01:33:03.520
I'm in love with Meredith Marks. That does not

01:33:03.520 --> 01:33:11.279
mean she's in love with him. But. OK, let's let's

01:33:11.279 --> 01:33:13.239
just go down the path of like, let's just say

01:33:13.239 --> 01:33:18.199
this happened. You're. OK, then what? Then what,

01:33:18.319 --> 01:33:20.880
Jen? Also, what happened to being a good friend?

01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:23.039
And she told you this in confidence. And so you

01:33:23.039 --> 01:33:25.359
should shut up. Yeah. What happened to that?

01:33:25.600 --> 01:33:29.369
Yeah. Jen. I would say the same thing if I were

01:33:29.369 --> 01:33:31.710
at Meredith Markstrunk's show. I would be like,

01:33:31.810 --> 01:33:34.170
that's my girlfriend. I'm in love with her. I'm

01:33:34.170 --> 01:33:36.189
going to marry her. I would say it as a gay man.

01:33:36.270 --> 01:33:38.250
That's the love of my life. That's my mother.

01:33:38.909 --> 01:33:41.310
She's going to protect me from the world. Like,

01:33:41.310 --> 01:33:46.770
what do you mean? Christ. But yeah, that's the

01:33:46.770 --> 01:33:49.729
end of this episode. And I forgot that, like,

01:33:49.789 --> 01:33:51.770
I've moved this a couple of times because I'm

01:33:51.770 --> 01:33:53.510
trying to find the right episode to talk about

01:33:53.510 --> 01:33:57.560
it in. Do you remember the January 6th Housewife

01:33:57.560 --> 01:34:00.100
of Salt Lake City? The one that got put off the

01:34:00.100 --> 01:34:03.899
show for me? I found an article where she, it's

01:34:03.899 --> 01:34:06.319
at the end of this, where she talks about cancel

01:34:06.319 --> 01:34:09.720
culture and how hard life was for her. And I

01:34:09.720 --> 01:34:13.359
cannot wait to talk about it on this show. Oh

01:34:13.359 --> 01:34:17.460
my God. Yeah. Life was so hard when you were

01:34:17.460 --> 01:34:24.369
staging a coup. What are you talking about, girl?

01:34:24.949 --> 01:34:28.489
I forgot to move that article off of this notes,

01:34:28.529 --> 01:34:32.130
but like, oh my God. It is so long. It's like

01:34:32.130 --> 01:34:35.689
the audio version of it is like 38 minutes long.

01:34:35.829 --> 01:34:38.829
It's such a long article where this woman, she

01:34:38.829 --> 01:34:40.229
doesn't know they would talk about how great

01:34:40.229 --> 01:34:41.930
she is. She's a great mother. She's a great this,

01:34:41.989 --> 01:34:44.590
she's a great that. And it's so hard to be a

01:34:44.590 --> 01:34:48.609
Republican in this day and age. Oh, my God. It's

01:34:48.609 --> 01:34:53.210
so hard to be a white Republican who is in charge

01:34:53.210 --> 01:34:55.949
of everything and dictates everything. It's so

01:34:55.949 --> 01:35:02.569
hard. Oh, my God. She's so like from the literal

01:35:02.569 --> 01:35:05.649
skin scroll that I just did. She's claiming she

01:35:05.649 --> 01:35:09.689
got canceled. Yes. You got to have a following

01:35:09.689 --> 01:35:15.020
first to be canceled, Mama. Listen. We'll get

01:35:15.020 --> 01:35:17.380
into it. I promise we'll get into it. It's the

01:35:17.380 --> 01:35:20.000
most wild thing I've ever read in my life. And

01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:24.880
you're going to show up. And you're going to

01:35:24.880 --> 01:35:28.500
show up to the coup. I think part of that as

01:35:28.500 --> 01:35:30.819
a prerequisite is you've got to be okay with

01:35:30.819 --> 01:35:35.899
getting canceled. Like, you know what I mean?

01:35:36.199 --> 01:35:38.359
This is the thing that I have struggled with

01:35:38.359 --> 01:35:42.100
for so long with January 6th of 2021. It's like.

01:35:44.199 --> 01:35:48.640
So let's just say, let's go down the rabbit hole

01:35:48.640 --> 01:35:50.340
of like, okay, there were two sets of people

01:35:50.340 --> 01:35:52.500
there. There were people there that wanted to

01:35:52.500 --> 01:35:54.939
be violent and crazy. And then there were people

01:35:54.939 --> 01:35:57.500
that just thought they were showing up to peacefully

01:35:57.500 --> 01:36:01.420
protest. What were you protesting? What did you

01:36:01.420 --> 01:36:04.500
think you were speaking out against? That is

01:36:04.500 --> 01:36:06.899
that is the one question I keep coming back to,

01:36:06.979 --> 01:36:09.720
because every single time it comes back to you

01:36:09.720 --> 01:36:12.420
for me, you were trying to speak out against

01:36:12.420 --> 01:36:16.300
a free and fair election. 100 percent. You were

01:36:16.300 --> 01:36:22.920
protesting democracy. Yes. So for me. Every other

01:36:22.920 --> 01:36:25.159
opinion that comes out of your mouth is completely

01:36:25.159 --> 01:36:27.079
irrelevant to me. I don't care how peaceful you

01:36:27.079 --> 01:36:29.300
were. I don't care how violent you were. I don't

01:36:29.300 --> 01:36:30.939
care if you never stepped foot in the Capitol.

01:36:31.119 --> 01:36:34.140
You were there because you didn't want Joe Biden

01:36:34.140 --> 01:36:37.960
to be president after he was elected. Don't get

01:36:37.960 --> 01:36:39.659
me started because I'll get so mad. If you just

01:36:39.659 --> 01:36:43.310
stood outside. Listen. Okay. hypothetically,

01:36:43.449 --> 01:36:46.409
if the reverse were to happen and we were to

01:36:46.409 --> 01:36:49.890
say death to the free election because it elected

01:36:49.890 --> 01:36:53.869
Donald Trump and I went and just stood outside

01:36:53.869 --> 01:36:59.069
the White House on January 6th to do that, I

01:36:59.069 --> 01:37:02.189
would assume every Republican who's ever listened

01:37:02.189 --> 01:37:05.289
to me on this podcast or followed me on Instagram,

01:37:05.529 --> 01:37:09.270
all 500 people who follow me on Instagram, I

01:37:09.270 --> 01:37:11.770
would assume you're going to cancel me. I would

01:37:11.770 --> 01:37:15.869
just assume that automatically. And I also don't

01:37:15.869 --> 01:37:20.609
love this idea of like you love or you hate you

01:37:20.609 --> 01:37:25.970
hate cancel culture until. You want to cancel

01:37:25.970 --> 01:37:30.390
something. Like we we hated the idea of cancel

01:37:30.390 --> 01:37:34.310
culture until it was Jimmy Kimmel. Right. And

01:37:34.310 --> 01:37:37.479
that's where I keep coming back to is like. If

01:37:37.479 --> 01:37:40.279
you're going to stand for something, you have

01:37:40.279 --> 01:37:42.880
to you have to go all the way with it. And this

01:37:42.880 --> 01:37:49.260
Sarah MacArthur. Your opinion is wild, and the

01:37:49.260 --> 01:37:53.500
fact that you think as a white lady with money

01:37:53.500 --> 01:37:56.199
and an interior design career in Salt Lake City,

01:37:56.359 --> 01:37:59.619
Utah, that you think that your life has seen

01:37:59.619 --> 01:38:02.359
an ounce of struggle. Shut the fuck up. By the

01:38:02.359 --> 01:38:07.500
way, if I were to name this woman. Just not knowing

01:38:07.500 --> 01:38:10.720
what her name was, I would probably name her

01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:16.600
Sarah MacArthur. And this is the thing that I

01:38:16.600 --> 01:38:19.380
get so mad about because I'm like, you seemed

01:38:19.380 --> 01:38:22.399
so wild and crazy when you came in in episode

01:38:22.399 --> 01:38:25.640
one at Genshaw's party going, happy birthday.

01:38:26.220 --> 01:38:28.539
I thought you were going to be so cunt and so

01:38:28.539 --> 01:38:30.420
funny. And then this is what you turned out to

01:38:30.420 --> 01:38:35.510
be. You're just a cunt. Like, girl. Anyway, dear

01:38:35.510 --> 01:38:37.369
listener, thank you for listening. Thanks for

01:38:37.369 --> 01:38:43.909
being here. From Indy to Salt Lake City in Washington,

01:38:44.069 --> 01:38:46.930
D .C. or wherever you were on January 6th. We

01:38:46.930 --> 01:38:52.229
love you. No, if you were on the White House

01:38:52.229 --> 01:38:54.890
property on January 6th, you were not bestie

01:38:54.890 --> 01:38:57.449
approved. No, absolutely not. I love you. Thank

01:38:57.449 --> 01:39:00.930
you for the listen. We'll see you later. Bye.