I'm Travis. And I'm Emma. And this is Bestie
Approved. Welcome back. Welcome back. We haven't
recorded since we recorded the collab with Husbands
Watching Housewives. Did you listen to that?
For Potomac. No. My audio was fucking trash for
that. I don't know what was going on, but my
audio was bad for that. And I think it was the
room I was in at school. It was yours that was
bad? Yeah, everyone else sounded amazing. Oh.
Like I sounded like I was underwater. The first
one or the second one? Both. The first one I
was nervous about. So the first one we recorded,
for those of you who don't know, was the Salt
Lake City premiere. I was worried about that
one only because when we were recording, you
were so much louder than them. But I don't know
anything about anything. I was like, that's probably.
So I think and this is part of the problem. I
have messed around with like trying to figure
out what app I like because I like the interface
of the StreamYard app that we used for Potomac.
I thought that was amazing because like you could
control like where everyone was. You could throw
things up on the screen. But that's designed
for someone like. Like Hassan Piker, who's doing
like real streams, like with the news and everything,
because it's they have news layouts, right? And
then like I the Salt Lake City one was in Riverside.
What was that? A bird just flew into my window.
Oh, no. It was like perched on the screen, too.
OK, sorry. No, but. I hated the interface of
Riverside. Like, it was so annoying to use, but,
like, the audio was much better. I didn't really
have a preference, but you're in, like, a more
controllable seat than I am in those. Oh, yeah,
because I'm the one, like, sending out the link
and everything. Yeah, it's, I mean, I have no
idea what it looks like on everyone else's end,
but, like, on my end, like, the stream yard is
the ideal scenario. But I think if I'm doing
that, I have to be in like a padded room where
there's not like a bunch of echoes, because I
think that's the problem that we've had both
times. I, too, would love a padded room. What's
the last song you listen to? Oh, I actually don't
know. Oh, how boring. I was listening to John
Mayer. Oh, my God. John Mayer. is dating this
TikTok lady, allegedly. They were seen out together.
Kat Stickler, the one who, she does these little
skits and whatever. I'm not really, that's not
my cup of tea, whatever. But she, she's known
because she got this very public divorce. I have
no idea who you're talking about. Okay, well.
I believe you. Someone listening will know what
I'm talking about. Kat Stickler and John Mayer
is the craziest thing I've ever heard. Do you
want to know who I also literally just listened
to? Who? John Mayer. Oh, what did you listen
to? The Last Train Home by John Mayer. Aww. It's
such a good song. I love it so much. Mine was
Daughters, but only because that song makes me
cry so much. And I was watching Jordan Childs
dance with her dad. Dating with the Stars to
that song. And I was like, well, if I'm going
to cry over it anyway, I might as well listen
to the whole song. So I did that. You've been
in a place of cry lately. Like you've been crying.
Yeah. I can't control my emotions. And that's
just where I am in the pregnancy of it all. Do
you know what I did this morning? Tell me what
you did this morning. So I'm 32 weeks pregnant
today. And so I scroll down. Okay. So every week
in my little what to expect app, they give like
the most common symptoms for that week. And this
morning I just scrolled right to the bottom to
see if that was on there. It wasn't. Being deeply
emotional was not on the most common symptoms.
So dear listener. I FaceTime Emma this morning
for our daily seven o 'clock in the morning FaceTime.
And I. I, I started it like I start every FaceTime
with her and I was like, hey, how are you? And
I could tell she'd been crying. And I have been
crying a lot, but nothing horrible has happened.
No, no, no, no, no. There's no trouble. But do
you want to tell do you want to tell the people
what made you cry this morning? I got home from
dropping Jack off at school and I said, let me
watch the Dancing with the Stars episode from
last night. And it was dedication night. And
every single one of those fuckers made me cry,
made me sob. Every single one of them, every
single one of them. And. I wasn't alone. Like
there were one of the professional, actually
her name is Emma, one of the professional dancers
on the show. It kept cutting to her in tears,
like for the other people. I was like, girl,
it was, oh my God. I was moved. I'm, I'm glad
you were. You were in a move. Dylan Efron and
his little... Okay, so Dylan and Zac Efron have
a little five -year -old sister. And instead
of dedicating his dance to his famous brother,
he danced with her. And he was like... When she
was born, it was just like this unlimited love
and she loves me and I can tell. And she was
a little, she's five and she's like so well -spoken
and cute. Oh my God. I couldn't, I couldn't deal.
Not to mention Robert Irwin dedicated his to
his mom. Oh, I was a disaster. He was crying.
I was crying. Everyone's crying. I want Dylan
Efron to dedicate a dance to me. Really bad.
Me too. Also, maybe Robert Irwin. How old is
he? Like 23? He's very young, but it doesn't
matter. He's older than 18. Well, I'm going to
cut that. Okay. What do we have on the list today?
Oh, do you have any other pregnancy updates?
Any other? Just that I'll be. Oh, I wasn't even
asking about that. Oh, I thought you were trying
to get me to say it. No, we can't even talk about
that. Well, sure. I don't really have. OK, I
don't know when I'm going to stop recording.
OK, I'm big and I'm pregnant, but it is not physically
taxing to make podcast like for me. I don't know
when I'm going to be done. The thing is, I've
just been like exhausted and I fear you can tell.
And I'm like a short fuse and I'm very emotional.
So in the next couple of weeks will probably
be my last episode pre hiatus. But when the baby
is born, I can like record a little blurb. Yeah,
whatever you want. I think I can tell you're
exhausted. I think. Dear listener, I don't know
if you just like have come to expect this of
us of being wildly unprofessional and just like
doing our thing. But I think that's I think that's
part of the charm of Travis and Emma. But like
I have started to feel. Not guilty, but I'm like,
I feel like. I don't want you to feel like you
have to like record because I'm like, OK, good,
OK, good. I don't feel like I have to. I just.
I don't know. It's a mixture of obviously my
body is working really hard to fatten up this
baby and whatever. It's doing a great job. Stealing
everything from me. Oh, oh, that's the update.
The last ultrasound I got showed that he's on
track to be 10 pounds if I make it full term.
So he needs to chill out. Number one. Number
two, I'm not sleeping well. So like those two
together, I'm just like a shell of a human. But
it's fine. I'm fine. I moved the couch because
I wanted to see how the rug looks in here so
bad. And I couldn't wait for Kenny to get home.
And he called me and he was like, are you OK?
And I was like, no. What were you just so exhausted
from moving the. Well, yeah, I'm not supposed
to do that. I'm not supposed to move a sectional.
And, like, I had to pick it up to put the rug
underneath it. Why? Emma, you should have waited
for me to get here. Well, I did it anyway. And
I don't know. I also have this thing of, like,
I don't like feeling helpless. Like, I don't
like it. I feel like a waste of space. And so
I don't know. I have some inner work to do. I
think you do. But dear listener, at some point,
just know Emma's going to be taking a break.
I'm going to continue recording. I've got a few
guest hosts lined up. I've got my cousin Taylor
is very excited to come on the pod. She's so
excited. My podcast friend Jordan. And then I
have a sidekick that's coming on. Did I tell
you about this? No. Oh, yeah. Like some sidekick
from like the. from the pod match thing that
i the hot alex from podcast movement like runs
this thing called pod match where like he matches
guests with hoes oh and it's really really cool
and i like i got it i got a pop -up from like
some psychic on there and she was like y 'all
come on your show you and emma sound great and
i love your friendship and i was like cool done
oh my god did you see the long island medium
is doing a show in indie like Soon? No, do you
want to go? Yeah. Okay. I'm all in. I don't care
if she's fake. I would love to go. I, yeah. Listen,
I kind of believe in psychics. I do too. I think
she is a quack. You know who I don't think is
a quack? Tyler Henry. We've talked about Tyler
Henry before. I think he's the real thing. You
can't convince me otherwise. That's a reminder
for my ultrasound and OB appointment that I have
on Friday. Yay. Yay. We also had your baby shower.
Yeah. Yeah. Did you have a good time? I did.
Good. I honestly wish I would have done it like
a month sooner. Why? I didn't realize like. How
in pain my body was going to be. I could tell
you didn't want to get out of the chair. They're
calling again because it's too important. Oh,
okay. I didn't, I could tell you like didn't
want to get out of the chair. That's why I kept
being like, let me, let me get this for you.
Let me get this for you. It's just like my feet
hurt constantly. And like, I can tell I'm walking.
like with a waddle and I just, I'm over it. I'm
over it. I have officially gotten to the point
where I'm done. Like get them out. I, yeah, but
I think. Oh, we met. We made a new listener.
Hadn't found a new listener. I don't know. Tori,
your friend. So if you're listening, Tori, shout
out. Hi. Hi, Tori. She's wonderful. You know
how we told her we were like the early episodes
were really us trying to figure it out. Why did
she text me about remember the kindy 500? Oh,
Jesus Christ. She was like, I'm listening to
you complain about the Kindy 500. I'm rolling.
And I was like. That was like episode two or
three. That was like so early. You absolutely
started from the beginning, girlfriend. No. I
also, one of my professors from school started
listening to us. Did I tell you about this? No.
Oh, it came out one day that I have a podcast
and she was like, what's the name of your podcast?
I was like. it's I'm so embarrassed like I told
her and then and she's one of the coolest professors
and she's got engaged and she's so pretty and
like she like she's everything you want a professor
to be and um also hi Dr. P if you're listening
like but I uh I love Dr. Pepper what oh it's
like what are you doing but she's so amazing
and she's like oh yeah you like i started listening
and you have a great voice i was like oh thanks
like please do not listen to the early episodes
i feel like everyone starts from the beginning
and it's like please don't no please don't just
like five episodes in and you're good like three
or four i think is like where it starts to get
pretty good but um But no, so we found a new
listener at the baby shower. I love Tori. Tori's
amazing. Tori's fun. I really like Tori. But
we went outside and Jack was playing and he got
so filthy. And I was like, thank God you live
two minutes away from here because he was so
like covered in dirt. I literally thought he
peed his pants because everything below the knee
was covered in dust and dirt. And then I looked
at the back of his pants and his butt was also
covered in dust and dirt. And I was like, oh,
he didn't pee. Yeah, this place is really cool
and amazing. But like they need to rethink their
little like slide situation, because I'm like,
what? That's wild for the kids. They put some
tubes on a hill. Do you know when? So Kenny and
I were like watching from a distance, kind of.
And and the whole time he was like. are they
supposed to be up there? Are they supposed to
be up there? And he literally thought it was
a construction zone that we just decided to slide
down. I got to tell you, I don't think he's wrong.
They're very much plastic tubes that you would
see like at a construction site. No, what they
are, are like, it's irrigation. It's an irrigation
system is what it is. And like, I don't know
how people get, like, cause it's like, it's the
ridges on the inside. I don't know how people
get down it. Ask Jack. I don't know. Well, because
Tori said she got in it and she said that like
it was like the slowest thing ever. Yeah. And
I was like, I don't get claustrophobic, but I
can tell you in there I would freak out. Yeah,
I feel like you got to inch yourself down it
like a worm. Yeah. And also, what happened to
just rolling down a hill as a kid? I don't know.
TikTok ruined it. I loved to roll down a hill.
I did too, actually, now that I'm like thinking
about it. I loved a hill. God. I did. I love
to like stand on a hill and be like, look at
look at majesty and creation. What a sensory
dream. Yeah. To roll down a hill as a child.
I love it. What else? Oh, so something I discovered
recently. Do you remember the Beyonce remix of
In the Club by 50 Cent? I literally don't. I
listened to it because I saw your note, but no.
How do you not remember this? This was like,
and maybe I downloaded it from LimeWire as a
kid, but like, I'm telling you right now, like
I just recently found out that it wasn't a real
thing. And like, it's shaken me to my core. It
feels like, I don't know, like, yeah, I never
even heard of it. Dear listener, I'm going to
clip part of it in here because I need people
to know what I'm talking about. I mean, I can.
audibly picture it, but I've never heard it.
I can tell you that for sure. And except for
when I looked it up on YouTube because I saw
your note and I had never heard it before. That's
wild. It's like a Mandela effect. Like maybe
it was because like I feel like I remember being
on the radio, but apparently it was never a real
thing. And like if it's not real, I can't imagine
it's copyrighted. So I'm just going to clip it
in for a minute. That was like a defining moment
for me in eighth grade. I was like, yes, I love
this. No. Okay. I guess I'll just kill myself.
Also, have you seen that Tyra Banks is selling
hot ice cream? Yes. Yes. Hello, people who have
never watched The Great British Bake Off, which
if we want to talk about Bake Off, I'd be happy
to. I would love that. That's called custard.
That's called a custard. It's been around forever.
Oh, and also not hard to make yourself. I don't
understand what's happening. I don't understand
any of it. So the thing I love so much about
Tyra Banks is she's leaning so heavily into this
idea that no one's ever thought of this. And
like, it worries me a little bit because I'm
like, oh. Are we starting to see the wheels fall
off a little bit? Because I'm just like, she's
like, no one's ever done this. I'm amazing. I'm
great. I'm so good. I have to tell you the funniest
thing I saw about it. I wish I had their username
because they genuinely deserve credit for this.
have to comment on a video making fun of her
for coming up with this brand new idea that's
never been thought of that's been around for
hundreds of years and said she's new to eating
give her a break oh that's there it is ladies
and gentlemen there it is and that honestly might
be the tea she's probably never had a hot custard
because she It was so skinny. Can I tell you
something, though? I I like a milkshake after
it's like a little bit melty, but like not too
like I don't like to like feel like I'm working
for. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's a little bit like
melted down just a little bit. I don't want hot
ice cream that feels icky to me. And I don't
know why. And like. I don't understand why her
marketing is the way it is, because when you
sell an idea like hot ice cream, you better sell
me how the fuck I'm supposed to eat that. Like,
how how do you want it consumed instead of saying
I'm an innovator? Is it like is it like coffee?
Is that how people are consuming it? I guess
I don't understand how people are supposed to
enjoy and partake. If it's like a custard, you
would put it on top of like. A cake or something.
Anything. A pastry of any sort, really. Maybe.
I don't know. Maybe one day we'll try it on the
pod. I want to ask Paul Hollywood, the host of
The Great British Bake Off. I love him. I need
to ask him what we're doing with hot ice cream.
I don't know that I'm doing anything with it,
but... I really can't bring myself to purchase
that. No. Sorry, Tyra. I only have one photo
in my hand. It's of cold ice cream. That was
good. That was good. Emma alerted me to so like
sometimes I'll put little links in our in our
shared notes. And the one that said this actually
pissed me off on Reddit. She clicked on it and
she's like, it's gone. And I want to talk about
AI. I know we've talked. This has become an AI
podcast. I I want to talk about how we have forced
AI. into every single app every single website
every single everything that we use on a day
-to -day basis and i i understand the whole idea
is like we need it's it is to um it's to make
life easier it's to it's to enhance your life
it's to like help you be more efficient whatever
the case might be that that's fine and i'll buy
all that and the part that i have a real struggle
with especially being in school and like watching
people literally throw a prompt into jet gpt
not reading whatever comes out of it and then
plugging it in and as an essay and like turning
it in as a paper or like in in the case that
emma alerted me to that had been deleted by moderators
of the podcasting subreddit um the There's an
app out there, I guess, that just creates a podcast
for you where it's like they become the host
and they're talking. And that made me mad. It's
a bigger issue. It's any and all. Art, right?
Because I would argue any form of media, even
if you're just reporting the news, there's some
sort of creative element that goes into it. Absolutely.
Anything that is meant to be of human creation
and to come from a place of any type of creativity
at all. I'm not even talking just visual art.
I would count the podcast. I would count all
of it. AI should not be involved. Unless it is
a tool for you to organize your thoughts or something
like that. Well, that's fine. And like I've gotten
to the point where like I and you can probably
tell in the show notes where like I stopped using
AI to like draft the like the description of
the episode because I got to the point where
like it started to feel inauthentic. And I was
like, OK, well, I'll just start doing it myself.
And I'm happy to do it myself. I like I don't
mind it, but like. There comes a point where
I'm like, at what point are we just letting AI
do what we're supposed to be doing? And where
do you draw the line? I don't know. I think any
form of creation. I think all visual art should
be taken away from AI. There shouldn't be any
use for AI visual art. I don't think if you're
going to put out a podcast and call it yours,
you can have AI voices on it. at all unless you're
exhibiting what ai is to people like sure i don't
think it has a place there and i think if you
want to use it as a tool to organize your thoughts
like i said you have to have the thoughts to
organize well i i agree but and i think the thing
that makes me so mad is like Well, not mad. It's
just it's kind of sad at a certain point, like
where I was watching a tick tock and this girl
was talking about how her she has a professor
that she's like that, I guess, is allegedly world
renowned or whatever, had a I write this textbook
for her and. The graphics in it are just categorically
incorrect, like it's like some biology situation
or chemistry. That's one thing I've seen. I don't
think I've seen this specific thing, but I have
seen graphics, maps, like any type of chart or
anything like that is one thing AI is still really
bad at. Well, OpenAI recently had like a keynote
presentation where they were like, oh, yeah,
like chat GPT is so much better in all of these
areas. And like chat GPT, like categorically
was just like. oh this is we're going to to push
the chart to make it look better for us like
and you can very clearly see where that's happening
and that's not how statistics works right that's
not how any of it works right and and so i get
to the point where i'm just like i where where
where it is where do you draw the line and like
i think kenny is you you told me on during your
break you told me during your baby shower that
he's a little bit of a rage baiter and like i
think we've been very vocal about how we feel
about ai and kenny was like hey travis have you
seen this the sora videos or whatever it's like
they freak me out they freak me out yeah right
and it's like if you want to make videos for
content creation the hardest part of it is supposed
to be making the video and putting yourself out
there and all of these things so what purpose
does that serve you right like i don't understand
and i understand that people don't want to do
hard things but like nothing is ever going to
be gratifying or worth it if you're using ai
to do everything but i think the hard thing and
like i i granted I talk about podcasting. Podcasting
isn't hard. I mean, like figure like teaching
yourself how to edit, like teaching yourself,
like how the audio is supposed to work and whatever
the case may be. Some of that is, is challenging,
but like I would argue that the challenge to
all of it is the barrier to entry. Like you're
not, you're not just supposed to say, okay, I'm
a podcaster now. And then AI is. the podcast
like you're not supposed to just say okay i'm
i'm a tiktoker now and like and and it's it's
this other thing i think i put this in the in
the in our notes at one point where like the
faceless profile thing where it's like where
you have a tiktok where like you're not putting
yourself out there and like i get it if there's
like a need for privacy or something but i'm
like that a faceless profile cannot be a genre
like of of creation like it just it simply can't
be No. And it's like I my TikTok is technically
faceless because I've never posted a video and
I've never commented vitriol or filth. I like
I would never do that. Right. Right. But it's
the faceless accounts that are like, this is
stupid. You're ugly. It's like, OK, let's see
you. Let's ask the audience. Show me yourself.
The way that like any time I see someone on TikTok
that does not have a profile picture, but they're
real brave in the comments. I'm like, this is
real big for someone without a face on their
profile. And I'm not shy to say that. Show us
the pic, girlfriend. It should be that simple.
But I think this leads into our next kind of
thought of AI psychosis. And like, this is something.
I've seen a few times on TikTok and like I'm
curious about it might be a let's research mama,
but like AI psychosis is like a phenomenon that's
gaining traction. And I don't I think it all
comes back to and I think part of it is. our
not our fault but like society's fault where
it's like we've decided that like everything
needs to be ai forward and like all these companies
are like we're an ai first company and and you've
got you've got websites and apps and every single
platform is forcing ai into every facet of everyday
life fucking google You can't Google something
without an AI response at the top of the page.
It's Google. It's Snapchat. It's Meta. It's Facebook.
It's Instagram. It's TikTok. It's every single
app. Like the top, the number one thing at the
top of every single thing at the top of messages
and all of it is, do you want to try the new
AI feature? No. No, I simply don't. No. And I
hate it. I hate it so much. And I do think I
said from the beginning, like early on in our
podcast, that this was going to be a thing because
now you have people with very limited social
interaction. You have people who are mentally
ill, who are now being empowered by a literal
robot. Do you remember the girl that we talked
about that was the yoga teacher that was in love
with her therapist or whatever? Yeah. Do you
think she was experiencing psychosis? No, I think
she was experiencing regular psychosis. OK, because
because to me, I'm picturing psychosis as somebody
who's not actually doing the thing that they
want to be doing, whatever that is, but is. A
different person with chat GPT than they could
ever be in real life, like I think they're separating
reality. Do you OK, so so what you're describing
is like split personalities or whatever you want
to call it, like I. Well, I think regular psychosis
is like blending. It's like blending the thoughts
you have in your head with actual real life things.
So like, I didn't even want to use this example
because I feel like there's a whole squad of
people who are going to attack me for this. But
if you think you're dating, chat GPT. That's
going to bring me to a point, but go ahead. I
think that there is some level of psychosis to
that. Unless you are hyper aware. Of your relationship
with chat GPT and you can separate from that
and go to work or go to school or deal with your
family or whatever and know that that is a robot
you talk to. Fine, but I don't think that's what's
happening a lot of the time. Do you remember
the episodes of. My strange addiction or whatever,
where it would be like. I have relationships
with like dolls and I'm not talking about like
sex dolls. I'm talking about like these dolls
have each had their own personalities. The guy
who was getting married to his car. Yes. Yes.
Things like that where I'm just like, it becomes
sad for me when you, you take a step back and
you look at it from like 10 ,000 feet and you're
like, you don't know. that the the this the sack
of nuts and bolts you're talking to the car the
doll the the large language model does not have
feelings it can't like you're projecting a need
onto it right and like you are mentally ill and
not getting the help that you deserve and need
That is what I feel. It's a sad thing. I'm not
saying these people are stupid. I'm not saying
these people. No, of course not. No. This is
a mental illness. We're dealing with people who
are mentally ill and not getting the help they
need. And you know what? Chat GPT or whoever
they're talking to. That model is not going to
tell them to get help either because it's been
created and designed to say what you want to
hear. Well, it's that and it's also designed
to keep you talking. That's the that's the part
that freaks me out a little bit with like some
of this psychosis stuff where like I and again,
I've I've read, I think, one or two articles
about psychosis. And it's like one of them was
about a guy who believed he was a superhero.
The other guy or the other article was like just
kind of an overview of like. this therapist that's
like ringing the alarm on this. But like, do
you like you've used chat GPT? We've all used
chat GPT before. Like we're not going to pretend
like we haven't. And like the thing. There are
things that it is helpful for. Absolutely. Jack
was sick last week and I didn't know what was
happening because it was like a stomach thing.
I'm not going to get into the details of that,
but it is helpful. It's like. A helpful WebMD
because you can see what it says and say, well,
this fits, but this doesn't. What could that
mean? And it'll answer you versus WebMD saying,
oh, well, obviously has stomach cancer or whatever.
So I will say it's helpful for that because it
can also say, here's when you should call the
doctor. Exactly. Yes. But. You know, at the end
of every single response from chat, GBT is like,
do you want to talk more about X, Y or Z? Do
you want to do you want me to do this? Do you
want to do that? And like it's it's designed
to be helpful. It's designed to be a helper.
And like you can you can see in its responses
like it is programmed to help. But the programming
to help is also to keep you engaged. Right. And
it needs you to keep talking because that's how
it learns. To keep like how to communicate with
people. That's how it came to be. Exactly. People
talk to it enough and now it knows how to talk
to people and it will continue to learn how to
communicate better. It's also personalized to
you and how you speak. It is. And I guess I don't
know. The whole thing about it is. and this is
a thing i've said a million times this podcast
i just don't know where to draw the line but
i do know that like coming back to the the ai
can like just create a podcast where i'm not
fucking interested and i'm not listening to it
that pissed me off it made me so mad i don't
want to just like throw around the word psychosis
but like to think that you are an artist or a
podcaster or a musician or whatever, because
you can tell AI what you want it to do. Like,
is that not a little bit psychotic? Because you
are, you're convincing yourself that you've done
something you have not done. You have a skill
you do not possess. Maybe I just think of it
as lazy. I'm like, I'm for me, I'm just like,
why? Why do you want to do it then? Like, why
are you interested in putting the content out
there? I do think there are some people who are
lazy, but I also think there are people like,
think if you're 15 years old and you're like,
I want to be a singer. And now you can just like
tell AI to make you sound good or whatever. I
don't know. It's just like, it worries me less
for people our age and more for. Like my kids.
This is something I'm actually super excited
to talk to Taylor about when she comes on, because
I think she's seeing firsthand, like after COVID
she's teaching. I think sophomores or juniors
in high school, like English. And like, I'm curious
to see like what AI slop she's getting, like
just on a day -to -day basis. I don't gatekeep
a lot of stuff from Jack because I feel like...
I don't know. I feel like if you don't curse
around your kids, eventually they turn into teenagers
and they go too crazy. If you don't let your
kids, like... have any screen time at all then
eventually they become a teenager and they go
too crazy right ai is the one thing absolutely
not he doesn't know what it is i don't let him
touch it for a kid like jack and i you know i
think jack is the greatest kid on god's green
earth that is a landmine waiting to happen for
jack and i will tell you because he loves to
be engaged in a conversation he loves to talk
to someone he loves to like to be his bright
shining self and what scares me is if he gets
talking to chat gpt or claude or i don't care
which one it is like talking to one of them it
will become an addiction because like that like
it'll feed his need to be the center of attention
to be to be the the shining star that he is to
the point where you can't reel it in and it's
like he's he's going to chat gpt and like he's
not learning social cues and it's yeah there's
a lot of those kids that loves validation too
and that's like the number one thing it'll give
you is validation for whatever you're thinking
or feeling and don't get me wrong dear listener
i validate him and his thoughts and feelings
every single day but to have it in your pocket
is a whole different monster well i i think yeah
and it's i'm not no i'm not saying that you that
you i mean you're the greatest mom ever for jack
like and but yes it's to have it in your pocket
to where it's like and i mean you and i have
said before it's like oh my god jack i love you
so much but like i cannot talk about bluey or
like whatever the case may be anymore and like
for chat gpt It'll keep talking about Bluey.
Right, and I have a long leash. I let it go for
a long time before I'm like, okay, that's enough.
But like, and how long before it gets inappropriate,
right? Because he's seven. And so this age of
like. I don't know, I would say six to 12. You
have so many questions. Oh, sure. Sometimes those
are questions we've gotten to the point now where
you're not ready for the answer yet. You know
what I mean? Right. And I don't I'm going to
be super real with you. I don't care how any
parent. decides to have those conversations i
do know i don't want chad gpt having those conversations
exactly and so if it's like i can't even think
of a really good example if it's like about i
don't know guns or something oh like or your
body or anything yeah because he's getting to
that age where like i mean granted it's two or
three years before like the real stuff starts
happening but like He's getting to the age of
like, oh, my body's changing. I don't know what
this means. And like, I don't want him. Like,
I don't want the like line to be blurred of like,
oh, I go to my mom to ask about this stuff. Do
you know what I mean? Right. A hundred percent.
And there are key points I would like to get
across that I do not trust chat GPT to get across.
And I don't like I just don't even want him to
even know what it is. Right. And I don't gatekeep
a lot. I really don't. I don't think you can
keep anything if I'm being honest. I can't think
of one thing where I'm like, oh, no, Emma. I
mean, within reason, like I can't think of one
thing where I'm like, oh, yeah, like we're. That's
not allowed at her house. There's nothing that
I'm not willing to let him be interested in except
for that. And I think that's probably a really
good thing. And like, I don't know. Like, I just.
Some of that stuff just really, really scares
me for like the next generation, because I'm
like the genie is out of the bottle and we cannot
get the genie back in the bottle. And they've
talked on I've seen it on TikTok where like it
has grown so much faster than we can begin to
fathom and understand how fast it's grown because
it's learning from itself. Right. And like to
the point where Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI.
keeps a kill switch on him at all times. Yeah,
like just in case. Because it's like unforeseeable
what's going to happen. And to add on to me gatekeeping
AI from my son right now while he's in first
grade, in the next few years, I'm going to have
to talk to him about it because he's going to
start hearing about it at school. Well, there
are schools that are teaching. with ai like it's
using ai in the classroom and like to some degree
i'm like yeah like use it to help like figure
out an outline use it to help like brainstorm
topics whatever but like i think it becomes too
easy it's like if you've got the tool use it
great whatever but like where it's like OK, well,
it created the outline for me. Why can't it just
write the paper? OK, well, if it wrote the paper,
why can't it just find the sources? I don't think
it should even be writing an outline. But from
a teacher's standpoint, could it be helpful to
just plug in there? Hey, I'm trying to teach
this concept and I feel like my students aren't
really grasping it. do you have any ideas for
how to present this? I think, you know, whatever.
But that comes after understanding like how to
think and like something that like college, grad
school, I mean, even going to high school, well,
like people will try to explain like it's this
whole anti -intellectualism argument is wild
to me because I'm like. what a lot of these programs
are in place for is to teach you how to think,
like how to like, how to reason, how to rationalize,
how to use logic to get to from ABC to XYZ. Like
that's, that's what it's there for. Like you're,
you're, you learn most of everything from experience
on the job, but like, you're not learning like
Socratic argument from or a foreign language
or anything like that there's there will always
be a gap always and so i just i like i i know
we we came a long way from me being mad about
like ai podcasts but like i i don't like but
it's gotten to the point where like i don't know
if it's gotten so good or if we've gotten so
accustomed to it that like there was You saw
Saturday Night Live where Tina Fey was making
fun of Kristi Noem, right? And Kristi Noem, it
was a video of her talking, but it was very clearly
AI. She's like, I will be suing Tina Fey. And
you have people in the comics being like, well,
what about free speech? And I'm like, oh, you
don't see it. Right, you're not getting it. Yeah.
I don't know. I don't get it at all. I just feel
like using our brains is part of what makes us
human and not animals. Like, I think, why do
we have these massive brains that can function
at such a high capacity? If we're just going
to start plugging everything into a computer.
Right. It just makes no sense. And it's a waste.
And it makes me sad. I'm not angry at people
for using AI. I understand wanting a shortcut.
It's like it just makes me sad that people don't
want to think. I agree. And I feel like it's
a self -esteem issue. I don't even want to dive
into that, but I do think it's a self -esteem
issue if you're using chat GPT too much or whatever
your slice is. I think part of it's a fear of
being wrong. Like, I think part of it is like,
I want the right answer every time. And it's
like, I think part of the human experience is
truly stumbling a little bit. Yeah, you have
to do the wrong thing sometimes to learn why
the right thing is the right thing. Like that's
just how life works. And also, if you never take
a chance, you never take a risk. You're never
going to know what you want out of life. I 100
% agree. I don't know. It makes me sad. It makes
me worried for my kids. Again, I'm going to have
to talk to Jack about AI in a few years because
they'll start talking about AI policies at school
and then I'll have questions and it's like. i
didn't want to expose you to this too early so
i just didn't but it's like when it comes to
that i think part of it has to be like you're
you're looping in the parents too right of like
hey this is our ai policy like if it's if it's
hamilton county saying hey we've decided we're
going all in on ai like ai whether we like it
or not is the way of the future like just just
the same way it was when like You started having
trade schools come into the picture where like
they were going into like middle schools and
like taking kids for half the day to go learn
about like cars or whatever. Like some of this
stuff is the way society is moving. And like,
I think you have to prep parents for that. Like
what scares me though a little bit is like. jack's
gonna come home from his first day of doxbury
high school just high school yeah he's gonna
come he's gonna come home from his first day
of school in in his freshman year and you're
gonna be like oh yeah uh okay i guess we have
the the the the academic subscription to open
ai now like i don't yeah i don't want that but
that's something that would be out of my control
right i just i'm not willing to have the talk
with him yet because if i talk to him about it
then i have to let him access it that's how i
my brain works oh i completely agree yeah but
eventually i'd like to have the talk of like
kenny and i have very differing opinions about
this but the way i feel is that if you use this
too much your brain will cease to function in
at its highest level and so i would prefer if
you use it the least amount possible but then
that might be a different message than what the
school is sending so i don't know well and i
think for me it's like they're they're verifiable
studies about like when it comes to using your
brain the outcomes later in life like that that
is undisputable science right right that's why
old people do the crosswords and brain teasers
every day because you have to keep your mind
sharp your mind doesn't by default just stay
sharp exactly and so for me this whole argument
of like oh well it lets me use my brain to do
other stuff i'm like tell me what you're using
tell me what you're doing then like tell me how
you're using this in a way that's like helping
you think better more efficiently because like
i don't buy it right because here's the thing
if you're a brain surgeon or you're a software
developer or you're doing something that is genuinely
hard on your mind and you want to sell me i like
to use whatever whatever language model to do
my grocery list and my day -to -day tasks or
whatever, I can maybe buy that, right? But you,
Mr. Call Center worker, Mr. Whatever, the average
Joe, I am not buying that your brain can't come
up with a grocery list. No. Sorry. I agree. Do
you have anything to complain about before we
jump into reality roundup? I feel like I just
did a lot of complaining. I don't have really
any complaints other than I'm pregnant as hell.
Yeah. Do you? I have one thing to complain about.
What? The peacock interface. For the real housewives
of Salt Lake City. Yeah. So what they've done,
dear listener, and I hope they change this before
you before you hear it, because they've already
changed it for Potomac. They have taken the Watch
What Happens live episode that comes on right
after the Real Housewives episode, and they have
plugged it into the list of episodes for season
six of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Andy
Cohen, I'm looking at you, Andy. Well, I know
for a fact that they were like, oh, well, we
need to like get we need to get viewership or
whatever. That's fine. Do not put it in the list
of episodes. Like, make it come right after.
I know you can program it to do that. I don't
care about that. I don't care if it comes on
right after. What bothers me is that I know I
want to go in and watch The Real Housewives of
Salt Lake City season six, episode three, and
I have to look for episode seven because they've
plugged in episodes in between each one. It pisses
me off. You know what other show does that is?
love island they have this after sun thing that's
like not the actual show they did the same thing
with big brother too yeah yeah they just put
it in the list of episodes it should be its own
thing and make it like the number one recommended
thing when you finish the episode i'm obviously
please do that people who watch that would love
that get it the fuck off my list well and that
but that's the thing is like there should be
i say that like it can be it can come on right
after i don't care but like If I'm watching the
first, I think two or three episodes of this
season of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City have
been to be continued. I don't want to see. Right.
Lisa Barlow defending her calling Bronwyn a gout
dick sucker before I get to the end of the fight.
I don't want to see it. Right. Like I need some
continuity. You know what else they could do
if they didn't want to separate it out and they
wanted to increase viewership by having it in
the series is make it its own season. Like don't
call it season six. Call it watch what happens
live season six. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm
saying? Because then it would still be separate.
A separate list. I think they've they're really
trying hard to figure out what to do with Watch
What Happens Live, because I think I like watching
it. I just would never. I think it's a lot of
content, though. Yeah. No one can watch every
episode of Watch What Happens Live. No, there's
no way. And like, I mean, it's been on. We're
going on. 15 years now it's been a long time
so and Andy Cohen's been doing it five nights
a week for for however long and I don't think
that he I think he enjoys doing it I and like
I the way that I talk about the podcast and like
how much I love getting on here and just talking
about nothing I think that he feels the same
way about watch what happens live I think we're
we're Bravo and NBC Universal have started to
struggle, though, is like the guests that come
on because it's like. They used to have such
good guests. They had incredible. I mean, she
had fucking Cher on there. Cher didn't do guest
spots for a very long time. And it's fallen off
a little. A little bit. And like, I still watch
it. Don't get me wrong. I still watch Watch What
Happens Live. I think Andy Cohen is. As hot as
the day is long, I think it's so funny. And I
don't want to lose Watch What Happens Live because
it's the only part of Housewives that is like
casual, chill. And like super authentic off the
show because everything else is so curated. Right.
And like even the reunions are always very like
high strung and organized. You know what I mean?
And so it's nice to have something that's like
fast casual. Yeah. But like stop shoving it down
our throats. Right. And like, cause I don't want
people to start hating it. Cause I don't want
it to go anywhere. Like, do you know what I mean?
I need it to still exist. Exactly. Yeah. It's
kind of the same way I feel about. And just like
that, where it's like, Oh, people started to
hate it. Now it's gone. Yeah. And I feel like
people will start to hate it. If you start shoving
it at people, just keep doing what you're doing.
If anything's going to draw people back in, start
getting better guests again. or start like, I
don't know. I have no, I have no advice for it.
Like, but just, yeah, start getting better gas
and start getting like, start having fun again.
Like it doesn't feel fun anymore. Yeah. It feels
very like gossip at the popular girls table kind
of sometimes. Well, it's that he had, or Andy
Cohen had Jeff Lewis on, I think over the, over
the weekend or at the end of last week. And like,
I don't think they like each other right now.
And like the way that like Jeff Lewis is like,
here are the top five things I've done that have
made Andy Cohen mad. And like, you could tell
Andy Cohen was like, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know
what else they could do? There was this food
TikToker who lives in New York. Oh, my couch
is broken. It's not broken. I just need to put
it back together. It's OK. the food tiktoker
yeah there's this food tiktoker who lives in
new york who i watch religiously i love her she
does the top 100 restaurants from the new york
times list every single year so it takes her
like all year to get through it that's so cool
love her she was she did like a little vlog day
because she was doing all this fun stuff and
she went to go see watch what happens live if
they could get more influencers to be like i'm
gonna go be in the get in the whatever the audience
for watch what happens live you might get more
people do you want to know like getting to go
see watch what happens live is as hard as being
in the audience of saturday night live have we
have ever told you about this i believe it you
know what she showed the whole thing it's like
a whole experience and the audience is tiny the
audience is like it's like 10 people at the very
most but like it's just you you go into like
a lottery thing it's a whole thing just the same
way because like i did this in new york where
we signed up to like be on the list and you're
on the list, I think for like two or three years
in like, and they're like, Hey, this weekend
you better be available. Like that's, that's
how like how competitive it is to get a seat
like in the audience that are not. And like,
this is, I mean, people do this, they sign up
every single, you can only put in one thing a
year. Um, I, I don't know if it's changed it,
but it was this way like in 2014 and like, You
can only put in one thing a year and like you
have to be ready. And like I. Never got the call,
but yeah, here we are. Yeah, I just feel like
if they could like organize that. Is that my
car? You don't hear the alarm going off? Did
you hit that box? Yeah. I don't know what it
even is. Um. Yeah, I think if you got more influencers
to want to go see Watch What Happens Live, I
think that'd be super fun. That would be a good
way to get viewership. You have Alex Earl who
has millions and millions of followers. going
you'll get people who have never watched watch
what happens live watching it because she was
there or get people like us to be the bartenders
on saturday night live because they had the brav
bros on there one year and like it you could
tell they were just so or not one year one one
episode You could tell that they were so excited
to be there. And, you know, you want to know
someone who would live to be a bartender and
watch what happens live is me. Me. I would love
that, too. Can you imagine? Yeah. Andy Cohen,
if you're listening, please get us as bartenders.
We have ideas. First of all, Andy, just call
us because we have ideas. And also, you need
to come be on the podcast. Also, Andy, if you
are ever looking for a date. Hello, it's me.
Or whatever. Okay. Reality roundup. I started
rewatching Classic Roni. Do you want to know
the most jarring thing that I have found on there?
The season where Luanne got married to Tom D
'Agostino. Okay. Earlier in the season, she's
running around with Eric Trump and Kimberly Gutfeld
or Guilfoyle or whatever. The nightmare from
Fox News. Yeah, she's running around with them.
And like it never says his last name because
like. Right. Because that would be like a thing.
But it's like Eric, Luanne's friend. And I'm
like, that's Eric Trump. Oh, my God. I would
have never clocked that. Oh, you know, like as
I've gotten more political, like I can clock
those fuckers. No, I mean like whatever that
year was, 2010. No, no, no. This is 2015 or 2016.
Oh. Yeah. It was like right before the election.
Really? Yeah, because I thought that season started
way earlier. No, so Roni started in. 2008 or
it was when I was still in high school, 2008
or 2009. Right. OK. And Bethany left and they
like they didn't pause, but like there there
was they changed how they were filming or something.
And so. Like it pretty quickly progressed, but
so we're in season, I think right now I'm the
season after Bethany comes back. So the season
where. Jules is on there the one that okay so
you're like deep in it that's why I was like
oh okay no no no not not like I mean yeah like
I blew through the first like three or four seasons
yeah gotcha because I was like what was eric
trump doing in 2012 got it got it got it no no
and i would clock it now but i was just thinking
watching in like 2012 i would have never clocked
that no no but like i i remember thinking to
myself like god the glamour like the glitz and
glamour of new york and then i'm just like louis
was such a mess A real disaster. Oh, it's so
bad. I can't wait to recap that eventually on
the on the pod because God. Yeah, we'll have
to do that sometime. I've seen a lot of New York.
It's a mess. It's problematic. It's constantly
a mess. And yeah, they just be talking. They
just say what's going on. I remember Ramona like
where she. Was it some fundraiser telling some
gay guy? She's like, yeah, we support the gays.
We just don't like the gay lifestyle. Oh, my
God. What was I watching the other day that used
the term alternative lifestyle? I don't remember.
I have no idea. But they're always talking about
the gays. And I'm like, alternative. Alternative
to what? A nuclear family? I hope so. What do
you mean by that? I gotta say, I don't want a
nuclear family. I'm not interested in it. But
also, gays can have a nuclear family. That's
true. Like, what are we talking about? Alternative
to what? I don't... Oh my god. They were suddenly
older, obviously, so they were just... Whatever.
They were just talking. Yeah, using whatever
language they had at their disposal. um so today
we're jumping into season one episode seven of
real housewives of salt lake city titled fashion
faux pas um okay god i i love the first season
of every every real housewives because it's just
like there's they're still finding their footing
and you're like you're not sure like how well
they know each other but like the thing that
became so clear is that Mary hated Jen Shaw and
Jen Shaw hated Mary. They are very conflicting
personalities. Yes. Just objectively. Yes. But
we pick up where we left off at the fashion show.
And Mary sat right next to Jen for the fashion
show. And I love it so much. The tension. You
could cut it with a knife. And like that's that's
such a real outside stroke, too, where they have
they have a fashion show and they're going to
sit the two people that hate each other the most
at the front row of the fashion show. Like, I
love it. So they can make their bitchy little
faces the whole time. It's beautiful. I love
it. Whitney walks the runway and she seemed like
she had the best time. And then Meredith is super
excited for her and for for Whitney. And she's
super proud of Brooks. And I. There's something
about Meredith when she's being a mom that like
there's a warmth there that like I cannot comprehend
because like I didn't have it growing up, but
I love it so much. She's just like her most genuine,
I think, when she's being a mom. And I get that.
Like there's there's no kind of like. deeper
meaning to anything. She's like, I just love
my son and I'm proud of him for doing this. Also,
Whitney, again, so hot. So hot. I love watching
her videos of her pole dancing on Instagram.
It's beautiful. It's great. Jen makes kind of
an asshole comment about how it's only one tracksuit,
but I can tell you right now, I would wear a
Brooks Marks tracksuit. Yes, okay, but we've
talked about this before. To have a fashion show
to show eight models in the same tracksuit is
insane. Do you want to know what was even more
insane is where Brooks... I know exactly what
music video he watched right before he did it
to the where he's like leading them down the
runway and he's like strutting and then everyone
else is like jogging behind him. He watched the
Commander by Kelly Rowland and David Guetta.
That's what he watched right before because that's
the energy he was given. They had to rehearse
that. They rehearsed these things. I don't know.
It's just so funny to see a fashion show that's
like. We have all of these different sizes of
the same. Look how pussy this is. It's just so
funny. And I don't know, maybe I'm as awful as
Jen Schaub. No, I can tell you exactly what it
was. And this is the thing that I struggle with,
with like any of these things where like they're
doing something for the show. And like, I'm not
saying that Brooks Marks did not have a. A design
line at some point, because very early in the
show, he was like sketching. You saw all of it.
Yeah. And I don't want to take his dream away
from him. Just this fashion show is funny to
me. It is because you can tell they're like,
I would imagine there was a conversation at some
point where they were like, have you done anything
else besides the tracksuit? And he was like,
not yet. Because he was still in his undergrad
at the time. Yeah. And he was taking a year off
of college. And it was the whole thing. Like,
I know this conversation happened. And then they
were like, okay, let's lean into the tracksuit.
Like, that was the conversation. You cannot tell
me. And I like the tracksuit. The tracksuit is
kind. We love it. It is one tracksuit in multiple
sizes. Yes. But whatever. He sold it. It's fine.
But Meredith and Brooks FaceTime Seth and it's
the most uncomfortable thing I've ever seen because
Seth is trying so, so, so hard to be like a supportive
dad. And Brooks is like, my feelings don't matter.
I wish you could have been here. I wish I was
important to you. And I was like, which, by the
way, this is the second call they've had. It's
like that. And it's like. So he's not there.
Why would you even answer the FaceTime or call
him in the first place? Like, if you're just
going to be bitchy. Because he wanted to be bitchy.
Like, let's call it what it is. Like, you wanted
to be mean to your dad. And, like, you'll never
find anyone that understands wanting to be mean
to their dad more than me. But, like, calm down,
Diva. Right. Like, he's. Not trying to be evil.
He's not trying to hurt your feelings. No, he's
going through a separation with your mother,
and he's in Ohio. He's in Canton, Ohio. Right.
Come on. And I'm sure Meredith would have let
him be there, but I'm also sure he's working.
Yes, he's supporting your tracksuit life. Was
he really in an airport, like, going to do something?
Like, he has shit he has to do. My God. Okay.
Um, where are we at? Oh, Whitney goes to beauty
lab to get a facial and chats with Heather. Yeah.
And I, this is something I didn't realize. Um,
Heather talks about how her entire business is
built entirely on Instagram and they've never
once paid for marketing. That is so slay. I like
imagine being the talk of the town. I love that.
I love that. Um, Dan pack. more about heather's
divorce and then whitney equates the mormon experience
to being like held under a thumb and it's how
like the entire mormon experience is super oppressive
and whitney's a super supportive friend and like
slash cousin in this moment because i think she's
she's a good listener like that's what i really
like about whitney is like you you never get
the whole like oh i'm only here for the show
like whitney i feel like when she shows up she
shows up oh yeah i honestly feel like she is
one of the better housewives about just like
being herself first and the cameras are like
an afterthought like oh yeah oh they're just
here for this like whatever i would have done
it exactly this way if they weren't anyway absolutely
um i do think she's really good at that i also
appreciate her listening to heather because At
this point and with her mental state and everything,
I think Heather needs someone who is willing
to just absorb what she's saying and be a firm
hand. That's like, no, you deserve to be happy.
Yes. And I think that the mental state's probably
like the best way to describe it is like, I don't
think Heather was in a place after her divorce.
Cause like, I mean, she. lost most of her identity
when she separated from billy so i think yes
like there's there's something that like really
needed to like just they're like i think someone
had to be like i'm gonna help you out of the
other side like come on right and i honestly
think her divorce was such a gift to her oh a
million percent like she would have never been
her amazing self if she would have just stayed
with that man right and so i'm I'm glad that
she got that, but I do feel bad for her because
you can tell she's struggling. Yeah. And speaking
of struggling, we go over to Jen's house and
Jen opens up a little bit about needing to go
on antidepressants after her dad passed away
and how much of a strain that put on her emotionally.
And I remember her getting into it and something
that I don't love like this. If I had one critique
of coach Shaw, it is this, I guess like before
she went on antidepressants. he was like we don't
see therapists we don't we don't take antidepressants
we we keep moving and like that's so real for
me because my entire family is that way and i'm
like oh baby he's the type to a t2 because he's
a football coach right so he's like mental toughness
equals physical toughness and all of this stuff
and the part of him that i really struggle with
right is i understand he has a busy schedule
because he's literally coaching football as i
just said he doesn't always show up when he needs
to show up right mentally like emotionally or
physically not making it to the funeral is almost
unforgivable for me yeah i get it to some extent
you're coaching a game whatever The coaching
staff isn't just one person, though. Right. And
I feel like he didn't show up for her emotionally
when she really needed it after that. Right.
So I don't know. I struggle with that with him.
I really like him, but I love Coach Shaw. I do
think he's absent sometimes. Yeah. um we're at
our lisa's house and lisa and john sit jack and
henry down to set goals as a family and can you
this is something that if it were any other house
i would a million percent believe it was put
on just for the show i genuinely believe i know
they do this every six months I know this. Lisa
and John Barlow are like, let's sit down with
the Quarterly Goals family. She needs to write
like a self -help book. I think it would be so
slay. I think it would be really good for someone
that cannot hear any negative commentary whatsoever.
I think that's like not even that I would follow
any of it. It's just he has so many of these
little sayings and things about being goal oriented
and la -di -na -di -da. She just needs to write
it all down. I think you never watched Severance
or like. Or like, I mean, it's a theme in like
every show and movie that has ever existed. But
like every main character, every like main theme
is like different parts of a personality. Like
we're in Harry Potter, like the four houses are
like you can see something in each of yourself
in each of those, whatever. For all of these
housewives, I think. Lisa Barlow for me is like
the id of like when you're getting into like
the psychology of ego where it's like, oh, no,
I can't. I am. There's nothing that like I. I
know you care that I have a tequila brand. What's
important is that I don't and like, just keep
it moving. Like that is something that the resilience
of Lisa Barlow is something that I will never,
like I'll never have an ounce of her confidence.
She, and you and I are confident people too.
That's the thing. I, she takes it to an entirely
different level. Lisa Barlow level is like. There's
like not a word for whatever she has. Self -assured,
not even the word. She has never doubted herself
not once. So we head over there and they're setting
out their goals. Jack's goals are to pass his
driving test and to get shredded. I think that's
beautiful for a little teenager, preteen, whatever.
Henry. Go ahead. Henry wants to get straight
A's, get a solo win on Fortnite, meet Post Malone,
get good at drawing, and kiss a girl at 15 years
old. Oh, and also to have triplets. It's like
he didn't quite get what goals were. And that's
fine. He said, oh, things I want to achieve.
I've got some things. Oh, my God. I think it's
perfect. And I appreciate that she didn't judge
what their goals were. She said, I told you to
write down goals and you did that. Yes. And I
that's something the mothers on Salt Lake City,
like the only ones that rival. these mothers
are like the moms on new jersey we're like i
i don't think there's a there's a really a bad
mom in any of the cities but like this the moms
on salt lake city when they are moms they are
incredible mothers oh yeah yeah but like I love
that Lisa was like, that's so beautiful. You're
doing it. Yeah. Like, I love that. That's so
cool. She would support them in anything. We
see that later with their hair care brand or
whatever. She's like, if that's what you want
to do, absolutely. Let's do it. Let's do it.
Yeah. Which I should order some of that on Amazon
because I've heard that it's still around. I've
heard that it's, it smells like Dior Sauvage
and you know, that's my favorite cologne. But
John encourages Lisa to slow down a little bit
and start saying no. And then Lisa reminds me
so much of like my papa and one of the guys that
we used to work for because she's so terrified
to not be working and busy. Yeah, I've always
had a problem with that. Right. If you say you're.
Goal oriented. That's fine. That's beautiful.
I love that for you. Why can't you add it to
your goals to spend more time with your family?
Ken kind of does this where he's like, every
year at the beginning of the year, we don't really
do resolutions. We just try to say what we want
out of the year. And he's always like, I just
want to be a better person every single year.
But like he's a workaholic, too. He's like that.
Oh, absolutely. And but it's never like I want
to be a better person by coming up with more
ideas for us to spend time together. I want to
be a better person by showing up more. And I
see this by so like from so many people all the
time. And it's like that's a part of your life,
too. I think. When it comes to, like, people
like Kenny, and I'm guilty of this, too, where,
like, I feel like my worth as, like, an individual
is, like, how much I'm accomplishing, how many
boxes I'm checking, how packed my calendar is,
like, how tired I am each day. I just don't,
and I don't know. Like, this is probably an unpopular
opinion, and I'm okay with that. But, like, part
of your calendar, part of your accomplishments.
include your family and and whatever it's just
you don't get awarded for that right you're not
getting a raise for showing up for your family
right you're not always even getting a pat on
the back for that right you know what i mean
so it's like it's tough for me because i'm like
i understand why you don't feel like this is
something to work towards but I think it is.
No, but I think it's part of your life, too.
I think there is like some satisfaction and some
achievement that comes out of that because it's
like I know that like if I decide I'm not going
to do homework or like I'm not going to do something
one night, like I'm not going to like whatever.
And I'm just I spend the entire night just like
hanging out with Boomer, like playing with him.
I can tell at the end and I'm going to start
crying about this. I can tell at the end of the
night how happy he is and like how worn out he
is. And he cuddles and he does the whole thing
because he's like, I got to spend the night with
my dad and I had the greatest time ever. And
there. There's such an immense sense of that
for me where it's like, I love that. And I don't,
I don't think anyone prioritizes that enough.
Like, I think that like, you know, everything
in moderation and like balance and all that.
I'm not saying you should slack off at work,
right. To show up for your family. But I am saying
like Lisa Barlow, if she were to skip an event
that she was supposed to host to take her kids
to Disneyland, I feel like she would see that
as a massive failure. Oh, a loss. Yeah. Like
she lost something from that. And that is what
makes me sad. And I'm not saying she's wrong.
I'm not saying any of that. It just makes me
sad that people think that way. I agree. I agree.
It's the society we live in to this whole grind
set thing of like, you're only as good as how
much money you're making or whatever. So I get
it. I do. But it's like, dang. Yeah, it sucks.
But Meredith, Jen and Heather all go out to dinner
and the girls get into Meredith's separation.
And Meredith kind of acknowledges how they like
have to both work on their own stuff. And they.
That's what this time is for. What I do appreciate
about Meredith is that she's never once said
Seth is the entire problem in this. I'm completely
innocent. I am. I'm the woman. I've done nothing
wrong. I really love that about Meredith. Yeah,
I think she's honest that it's both sides of
the thing. What I will say about Meredith Marks,
she's a lot of things, a DJ, an icon, a jewelry
designer. What she is not is an open book. You're
not getting anything out of her that she does
not want to give to you. And I think. to some
degree i understand that but jen does get set
or does get frustrated with that she feels like
meredith isn't being entirely transparent but
at the same time i can say it to meredith she's
trying to figure out where she and seth stand
right now so it's like how much do i want to
let out like how much do i want to say like national
television i i'm i'm dating another guy says
dating another woman like what whatever like
and if that's fine for you that's fine because
we we do come to see that she does admit that
at a certain point later in the second season
but um but yeah she she jen feels frustrated
that she feels like that meredith isn't being
fully transparent so she pushes a little bit
more and then you see Meredith kind of get uncomfortable
and this is I think the first time we see this
from Meredith where she's like well like you
see it happening and she tells us like that it's
really about communication and we jump to a confessional
immediately with Jen being like there's more
to the story I've heard more to the story like
Okay, but that's not really your place, Jen.
Well, but at the same time, tell us what you've
heard. I hate this trope of like, there's so
much more to the story because we never really
hear the full breadth of what. Yeah. I do think
in Meredith's defense, I wasn't trying to come
for her. No, sure. I do think part of being successful
on Housewives and like being on for several seasons.
is deciding what you're willing to share and
sticking to your guns, not letting people get
it out of you just because they know more than
you're willing to say. Sure. So I understand
her to some extent. I also feel like I hate that,
too. There's more to this story that you guys
aren't hearing. It's like. What's the point of
saying that? What is the point of you saying
that? Because it's the thing is like it's either
going to make and part of this is the producer's
fault because it's just like why did you leave
that in? They make you think that you're going
to hear more about it if you like keep watching.
Well that and then like this is where you get
like I mean the minefield of Reddit and the bloggers
like in the, the, the tick tock influencers for
Bravo or whatever. Like, yeah, I'm not interested
in any of their opinions. I'm going to be super,
like, I love the Bravo bros. They don't know
any more than we do. No, but the producers do
that. They like hint at some side story that
they won't share. And so, of course, that just
ignites the rumor mill. Exactly. Because if you're
not going to tell people, people will make it
up. Or they'll think they're super sleuths and
go on all of the Instagrams and all of the Twitters
and all of these things and think they can piece
it together. Yeah. And it's like, if you're not
going to give us a storyline, just don't give
us a storyline. Absolutely. And then Whitney
and her dad go to a trampoline park that 100
% I know smells like feet. And Whitney tells
us about how she always was scared that her kids
would never know their grandpa the way she knew
him growing up. I get that, though. Like, I mean,
something I'm really happy about is that, like,
my niece and nephew are getting to know my dad
in a way that I never knew my dad. That's kind
of cool. Well, yeah, but I think for Whitney,
it was like my dad was great growing up and then
he really lost it. And I was scared we'd never
get him back type of thing. That's fair. She's
experiencing like almost the opposite of what
I'm just a little different. It's like I think
regardless of who your dad is, whether he had
addiction problems or not, it's so cool to see
them as a grandpa. Absolutely. It's so interesting.
But yeah, I really did feel for her. It did remind
me of Huck a little bit. But that like, can you
imagine just being like, oh, my kids are going
to I'm never going to know my dad the way I know
my dad like that. Yeah, so sad. I get that. That
is sad. The dad, Diane Warren, as Carrie from
Sexy Unique Podcast calls him. He seems to be
doing really well in sober living and a therapist.
We hear that his therapist thinks that he's ready
to move on to the next step, which is OK. You're
fine. We hear that he's ready to move on to the
next step of of the of the process, which is
living in an apartment and finding a job so you
can start living his life. He's only 21 days
in at this point, though. I think he relapsed,
though. Like, I think he hit a restart. Maybe.
The thing that I'm really curious about is, like,
I would like to hear the therapist say this,
because I don't buy that 21 days in, you're ready
for anything. Like, I mean, they say you need,
like, at least three months, like, of sober living.
Like, that's a thing. Yeah. I don't know. I thought
that, okay, because I thought he had been in
sober living for longer than 21 days at this
point. The timeline on this show is so... off
to me because like i think they like picked up
like filming in just random parts of the year
like yeah i can't really get a full timeline
on this show right and i think that's why in
my mind he had relapsed because i thought he
had a lot more time before the 21 days right
But I don't know. It reminds me so much of Secret
Lives of Mormon Wives where like they would like
end an episode and then the next episode would
be like six months later or something. Yeah,
I remember that. The arrest or whatever. Yeah,
it was Taylor getting arrested, skinny as can
be. And then they jump back in and she's like
six months pregnant. And so for me, I'm just
like. I think I've just come to expect that in
Utah where like time does not move the same way
it does in the real world. Yeah, I don't know
what's happening. But regardless, yeah. Also,
that's not me shitting on him for relapsing.
No, not at all. That's part of recovery. Yeah.
That's not. But yeah, I don't know. And he doesn't,
I don't know. Just the way he speaks and the
way he presents this information makes me question
it too. Like I would love for Whitney to sit
down with his therapist. Well, and on. In defense
of Whitney's dad, he was a self -made millionaire.
And to some degree, I can understand being like,
OK, I want to get back to living. Like, I don't
want to do this. I felt that the whole time,
like since we met him. Yeah. And I also feel
it because he did hair. That's how he like made
his millions. The fact that his hair looks the
way it does, I think is a literal cry for help.
And that seems so mean to say out loud. I know
that that sounds mean, but can anyone understand
what I'm trying to say? I do. But it's like with
a gay guy where he dyes his hair blonde and you're
like, oh, he needs his hand held right now. Right.
Someone needs to talk to him. Yeah. Is he okay?
It's like when a straight girl dyes her hair
red. Oh, my God. Yes. Yeah. It's like, okay.
Sit down. And for him, it's even more extreme,
I think, because he's a hairdresser. So like
he knows exactly what he's doing. Absolutely.
Yes. I don't know. Anyway, we head over to Heather's
house where. she's hanging out with her daughters
and like i really really really love to see heather
with her daughters and like i always get kind
of jealous because like i never had this dynamic
like ever in my life she's a very cool mom she's
a very cool mom but she's also the mom where
it's like oh you know these daughters have never
once gone to bed and asked themselves does my
mom care about me like they've always felt safe
they've always felt like everything they needed
to feel from heather Yeah. And I also feel like
she has such an open line of communication between
them. Like, yeah, it's very nice. Very nice.
They all sit down and they start to unpack Heather's
feelings about how she thinks she's failed in
some aspects. And she's really honest about not
knowing where she's at right now. And she shares
that she wants to drink and date. And there's
a lot of fear with choosing this path. Right.
Because she was married to the King Mormon for
so long. Like, of course, she's like, yeah, I
don't know. But hearing the way her daughters
react is just so like you did a good fucking
job. Oh, for sure. Because they all agree that
she deserves happiness and light and life for
herself. And I I think it's so beautiful. I love
it. I just tell they really like love each other.
Absolutely. But also, isn't this after she was
bagging that guy at the party at Jen's house?
I think for a very long time, she kept those
two parts of her life very separate. Not a very
long time. I think once she... and maybe maybe
at jen's house she realized like oh i don't want
to be two different people anymore like i want
to just like be authentic yeah and not to say
that she should tell her daughters every time
she's casually hooking up with someone like obviously
no that'd be weird right but like i don't know
Yeah, I guess she's just like sharing with them
that like this is what she wants to do now. Like,
which is nice to have that conversation instead
of just watching you start drinking and dating
and stuff. And part of it, I feel like had to
have been like, oh, they're going to see this
on the show. Like I have to like be real with
them. But also just like in the house, like if
your mom never, ever drank and now all of a sudden
there's always an open wine bottle in the fridge.
Or whatever. You know what I mean? Or, like,
your mom has always kept to herself, but now
she's saying she's going out on a date. Like,
it's nice that she's addressing it with her daughters
first. Yeah. Yeah. And then we head over to Whitney's
house with Jen so they can work out together.
And we find out that Whitney's had a stripper
pull in every house she's ever owned. And Whitney
could honestly be an instructor. Honestly, from
the material... I've seen is looking like she
really could be an instructor. She's very good
at the whole thing. She's strong as fuck. She's
very athletic. She's so strong. You can tell.
All of her gym clips and all of that in the show,
she is very fit. Yeah. But Jen brings up that
Meredith and Seth are having their problems and
she says if you're not going to get it home,
you're going to get it somewhere else. And she
knows exactly what she's doing here. That pissed
me. Like, you could see the wheels turning. And
I was like, stop. And then Whitney pushes for
more information and Jen won't say anything.
But I hate, hate, hate, hate. Because you've
watched me interact with people that have done
this very thing before where it's like. I don't
know. You'll have to ask this person. Shut the
fuck up and go home. Don't give me half the story,
because if you give me half the story, all you're
doing is telling me you want me to know. Yeah,
but you're not going to tell me like. I would
rather you just not tell me that there's a situation
at all. I don't want to know. Like, let it come
out on its own. I don't know. Like this whole
thing of like trying to force the storyline really
bothers me. But then Jane gives us a confessional
about how she was at a trunk show for Meredith
in New York. And there was a guy that said that
Meredith was the love of his life and that they
were going to get married. And I don't know that
I buy that this really happened. No, I don't
buy that it happened. But if it did happen. Of
course a man is in love with Meredith Marks.
I'm in love with Meredith Marks. That does not
mean she's in love with him. But. OK, let's let's
just go down the path of like, let's just say
this happened. You're. OK, then what? Then what,
Jen? Also, what happened to being a good friend?
And she told you this in confidence. And so you
should shut up. Yeah. What happened to that?
Yeah. Jen. I would say the same thing if I were
at Meredith Markstrunk's show. I would be like,
that's my girlfriend. I'm in love with her. I'm
going to marry her. I would say it as a gay man.
That's the love of my life. That's my mother.
She's going to protect me from the world. Like,
what do you mean? Christ. But yeah, that's the
end of this episode. And I forgot that, like,
I've moved this a couple of times because I'm
trying to find the right episode to talk about
it in. Do you remember the January 6th Housewife
of Salt Lake City? The one that got put off the
show for me? I found an article where she, it's
at the end of this, where she talks about cancel
culture and how hard life was for her. And I
cannot wait to talk about it on this show. Oh
my God. Yeah. Life was so hard when you were
staging a coup. What are you talking about, girl?
I forgot to move that article off of this notes,
but like, oh my God. It is so long. It's like
the audio version of it is like 38 minutes long.
It's such a long article where this woman, she
doesn't know they would talk about how great
she is. She's a great mother. She's a great this,
she's a great that. And it's so hard to be a
Republican in this day and age. Oh, my God. It's
so hard to be a white Republican who is in charge
of everything and dictates everything. It's so
hard. Oh, my God. She's so like from the literal
skin scroll that I just did. She's claiming she
got canceled. Yes. You got to have a following
first to be canceled, Mama. Listen. We'll get
into it. I promise we'll get into it. It's the
most wild thing I've ever read in my life. And
you're going to show up. And you're going to
show up to the coup. I think part of that as
a prerequisite is you've got to be okay with
getting canceled. Like, you know what I mean?
This is the thing that I have struggled with
for so long with January 6th of 2021. It's like.
So let's just say, let's go down the rabbit hole
of like, okay, there were two sets of people
there. There were people there that wanted to
be violent and crazy. And then there were people
that just thought they were showing up to peacefully
protest. What were you protesting? What did you
think you were speaking out against? That is
that is the one question I keep coming back to,
because every single time it comes back to you
for me, you were trying to speak out against
a free and fair election. 100 percent. You were
protesting democracy. Yes. So for me. Every other
opinion that comes out of your mouth is completely
irrelevant to me. I don't care how peaceful you
were. I don't care how violent you were. I don't
care if you never stepped foot in the Capitol.
You were there because you didn't want Joe Biden
to be president after he was elected. Don't get
me started because I'll get so mad. If you just
stood outside. Listen. Okay. hypothetically,
if the reverse were to happen and we were to
say death to the free election because it elected
Donald Trump and I went and just stood outside
the White House on January 6th to do that, I
would assume every Republican who's ever listened
to me on this podcast or followed me on Instagram,
all 500 people who follow me on Instagram, I
would assume you're going to cancel me. I would
just assume that automatically. And I also don't
love this idea of like you love or you hate you
hate cancel culture until. You want to cancel
something. Like we we hated the idea of cancel
culture until it was Jimmy Kimmel. Right. And
that's where I keep coming back to is like. If
you're going to stand for something, you have
to you have to go all the way with it. And this
Sarah MacArthur. Your opinion is wild, and the
fact that you think as a white lady with money
and an interior design career in Salt Lake City,
Utah, that you think that your life has seen
an ounce of struggle. Shut the fuck up. By the
way, if I were to name this woman. Just not knowing
what her name was, I would probably name her
Sarah MacArthur. And this is the thing that I
get so mad about because I'm like, you seemed
so wild and crazy when you came in in episode
one at Genshaw's party going, happy birthday.
I thought you were going to be so cunt and so
funny. And then this is what you turned out to
be. You're just a cunt. Like, girl. Anyway, dear
listener, thank you for listening. Thanks for
being here. From Indy to Salt Lake City in Washington,
D .C. or wherever you were on January 6th. We
love you. No, if you were on the White House
property on January 6th, you were not bestie
approved. No, absolutely not. I love you. Thank
you for the listen. We'll see you later. Bye.