My thoughts are she's not gay. Yeah, I'm with
ya. It feels like a big delusion. Welcome to
the girl's room. I'm Brittany, your host, and
today I have Bestie approved with me. Travis
and Emma, I'm going to let them kind of tell
everyone about themselves. And then we're just
going to have some pop culture tea that's going
to go down that we're going to talk about. They
sent me some topics that I did not know about
at all. So I learned about them. And I love that
because I am a reality girly, like TV girly.
It was great to learn about the other pop culture
stuff. So introduce yourselves and tell everybody
about y 'all's podcast. Cool. My name's Travis.
I've known Emma now for, God, like we're going
on like five years of like being very good friends.
We worked in finance together and we both hated
it. At one point, we shared an office together.
We were having a time. And I said one day, oh,
my God, do you know what we should do? We should
start a podcast. And Emma has always been so
amazing about, like, being super supportive and,
like, just kind of, like, letting things happen.
And this is just kind of what it's turned into.
It's been really cool. I think we just set our
15th episode that just went live today. And we're
having a great time. But yeah, and I'll let Emma
introduce herself. Yeah. So since we left finance,
we have more time now to do passion projects
and things like that. And so we've been having
fun just yapping about whatever we want to yap
about, really. I'm looking up to see now what
episode that is. It is our 15th episode. Amazing.
Yay, that is so exciting. Yeah, we're both from
Indiana. We're still here. And yeah, that's basically
it for Bestie Approved. I love that. So we got
to chatting on. uh through rss which was cool
i just had a conversation um with i can't think
of his name the guy who runs rss greg wasser
yes i just had a conversation with him on a different
podcast um and that was really cool but we got
we got connected through there and i'm just so
excited that we did because i think our podcasts
are kind of similar um and so we had a couple
topics that we wanted to go over but I think
I really would love to start with the Taylor
Swift situation since it is the one that's the
nearest and dearest to my heart cool I I I'm
not gonna say that I'm like a giant Swifty like
I I know some of the lore I definitely don't
I wouldn't be like I know every single one of
the songs and I know all the words to every single
one of her songs. But I know like most of them.
Sure. And I know the lore. So when you sent the
gay lore stuff, I knew about that already. I've
gone down the rabbit hole of the gay lores. Okay.
What are your thoughts about it then? So, okay.
Well, my thoughts are she's not gay. yeah I'm
with ya it feels like a big delusion yeah yeah
I mean I think like if anything she could be
bi like there's a couple different songs where
um you could you could put it as like a girl
like she's talking about a girl um I'm bi so
I would be fine with her being bi like that would
be a really cool thought to have okay um but
do I think that she's gay no I don't think she's
gay at all I mean her songs are just so boy heavy
yeah well that so I didn't know that people actually
believed she was gay and that the I'm sure people
watching this, I'm not huge into Taylor Swift.
I know I like two of her songs, but I'm just
not a huge Swifty. I'm sorry, don't come after
me. But it was showing up on my TikTok where
people were fully crashing out over her getting
engaged to Travis Kelsey. And I was like, I'm
so happy for them. I love them. They're so cool
together. They're just a very cool couple. i
saw this girl like fully trying to like rationalize
no taylor is gay taylor is a lesbian and i know
this and i know this is the truth and i'm just
like oh yeah they go leaps and bounds they're
like this is all for pr this is this this is
that and if you read into this and her ring and
then like obviously she's gay and it's like A
thing with her, though, is, like, they're always
looking at, like, the imagery and, like, they're
behind the scenes and there's always a clue.
And I'm just like, is it really? I don't know.
I don't know. Well, I will say that, yes, it
is really always a clue. Yeah, she does a lot
of the hidden messages. No, she does. And she's,
like, come out and said, like, how far back can
I go, basically? Like, can I go so far back as,
like... to start planning things like two, three
years ahead. So I definitely do think that she
has done all of the Easter eggs. Like she's so
into that sort of thing. So yes, but I also don't
think that she's gay and I understand the wanting
of it. I really do. And she is a, she's a supporter
of girls and the arts. You know what I mean?
I get that. Like she, she loves the girlies and
she loves the gays and you can be an ally without
also being gay. You can love women without being
gay for sure. And I don't know, like you might
know better than I do. Brittany, has she ever
done like the Easter egg thing for her personal
life at all? Like. It just seems so out of pocket
to do that for her sexuality. Like that just
seems so insane. I know she's done it for like
album releases and stuff, but like personally.
So this is kind of where I am not like the huge
Swifty. I don't I honestly like don't know the
Easter eggs like I stumble upon like TikToks
and Instagram reels where I'm like oh that makes
sense but I'm definitely not the one who is searching
for them right you're not decoding like I'm not
that I'm not in that deep and I don't know how
they have time to do But, like, she's also been
with Travis Kelsey now for, we're going on a
year. Like, it's a year or two. Yeah. I think
it's two. Yeah. It's, like, it's been a while.
A while. And then she was with Joe for, like,
seven years. Yeah. And then, you know, like,
no. You can't make me believe. Yeah. She's with
him. Like, it's over. Yeah. much money she in
attention she would get if she dated a woman
and like made an album about it and like that
whole thing you know what i mean yeah like i
mean her last album was about maddie healy like
basically like their situation shit right like
he's the singer for the 1975 okay yeah yeah um
he is a mess um that people adore so don't come
at me maddie who we found um if you did have
to ship her with a woman who would it be oh my
god what a great question i i okay so anyone
i'm gonna ship is gonna be either zendaya because
i just obsessed with her and um zoe kravitz because
i love both of them and i'm obsessed with them
both so i'm gonna ship everyone with them always
okay I think Taylor and Zoe Kravitz would be
hot right I think yeah that'd be great I think
Taylor and Zendaya would actually be super hot
too I'd be really into that right I feel like
they have like very similar body types they're
like long and skinny yeah anyway yeah anyway
yeah okay so jury's out but she's definitely
not gay uh jury's not out the jury is decided
here's the god's honest truth even if she is
let her be gay she's with or she's with one of
the hottest guys on god's green earth i mean
if that's not gonna turn her straight i don't
know what will lord have mercy right yeah i don't
he's not my type but i i get i i love them together
and there are so many celebrities who like gay
fish and she has not done that at all so i just
think that's why it's so out of pocket yeah like
a lot of the rumors sometimes are like it's an
actor who's played a gay character but it's kind
of like ambiguous if they're actually gay and
i just think it's so funny because she's never
done anything like that like i don't know a lot
of like wanting it to be true is like i think
where this is coming from Yeah, I agree. I agree.
So speaking of gay, we have a lot of gay topics
over here. We do, yeah. And I love that. Okay,
so one of the other things that I saw was the
crumble CEO getting bullied out of the closet.
Yeah. I want you guys' thoughts on this. We talked
about it on Bestie Approved a little bit. Yeah.
Okay. We did. And like, here's the thing. So
I think most of the discourse about it came out
of the fact that he's a registered Republican.
He's in Utah. So I assume there's some connection
to the LDS or the Mormon church there. I think
this is where a lot of like the tension around
it came from. Right. But I mean, he was walking
around his very well decorated house and he is.
very well kept up and he's very cute. I mean,
like you look at him and you're just like, oh,
this is what a good looking gay guy looks like.
It's like whatever. And then people were like,
oh, he says he's straight. And then I guess this
hasn't been confirmed to my knowledge, but I
guess like there someone was saying that there
were Instagram DM screenshots of him like sliding
into guys DMs. And then I think. It became bigger
than he expected it to, because, I mean, the
Crumble CEO is not, like, a huge public figure,
but, like, people were making a huge deal out
of it. And then he finally came out. Yeah, I
mean, I definitely don't think it's okay to push
anyone out of the closet. But I don't love that
he's, like, seems a little MAGA -coded. Yeah.
Not at all. So, yeah. That's the point that we
were making on Bestie Approved is that, like,
the guy who initially made the video was just,
like, clocking him a little bit. It was just
like, that's not a straight man. But all the
people who, like, posted DM screenshots and stuff
like that, like, now you're outing someone and
that is not cute. Yeah. There are so many other
ways you could have come for him. But, like,
at the same time, he's the one sliding into guys'
DMs, allegedly. Right. And that's the God's honest
truth. If you're not willing to be yourself authentically,
like, can you expect other people to, like, hold
up their end of the bargain with? I don't know.
I don't know. Yeah. I have to agree a little
bit just because it's, like. You're doing something
in a public space and then expecting people to
like keep your secret. Right. And it's like.
Why do I need to keep your secret if you're sliding
into my DMs? Exactly. Especially when you're
associating with the ops, basically, being a
Republican. Well, that's enough. Emma, you know
this. I dated a guy at one point who was a gay
for Trump, and I didn't realize it until we were
three or four dates in, and that ended very quickly.
But I was like, I don't understand this connection
at all. It just makes zero sense to me. yeah
same it I I can't understand I can't get it I
can't um I don't want to even attempt to get
it I think they should probably see the light
it's like it's like religion it's not for us
to understand right that's exactly right um and
then so I saw something recently more gays um
about lil nas x who i love okay i love lil nas
x but um i so i saw like about him having the
stroke and like not being able to use like half
of his face but i guess that's kind of yeah i
don't okay this is like before the psychotic
break okay yes he had yeah so this is a while
ago so i saw that And then you guys sent me,
you know, that as a topic or, like, him as a
topic. And I'm like, okay, well, that's what
I know. And my coworker was like, no, you haven't
heard about the breakdown? No, I haven't heard
about the breakdown. So now I know about the
breakdown. And I'm like, oh, no. Like, I love
him. I'm so sad for him. But also, wow. So. yeah
you've seen this right because I threw that one
on the list have you seen what happened oh yeah
I saw all the videos I saw everything oh my god
I saw it kind of like in real time too you know
who it reminds me of who I also like my heart
bled for is Amanda Bynes yes yes yes The thing
that I have a hard time with is so this was happening
in West Hollywood. He was walking around the
street and his underwear and a pair of cowboy
boots. And he was he was having an episode. There
were a thousand percent there was drugs involved,
too. Like, you can't tell me otherwise. Like,
I just wholeheartedly believe that. And that
sucks because, like, if it was anything, I would.
It looks like crystal meth to me, like just.
what was happening and um i could be wrong and
i hope i'm wrong about that but this is a very
dark road that a lot of gay guys do end up going
down because it's like i mean tina is huge in
party culture in the gay community and that sucks
because like i it's like little mouse x is like
he represented this like voice of a generation
that was like i'm going to speak out against
like you know being repressed and like doing
this thing and like he's falling into kind of
a dark pattern that I don't love for him. And
I hope that he gets help and I hope that he figures
it out. I do know that he appeared in front of
a judge and they had, there were like five or
six charges against him. I think I could be wrong
in the number, but there were several charges
against him. And I would imagine what's going
to end up happening is he will probably go to
rehab and, and probably do some community service.
I can't imagine he's going to serve any time
for it, but I, I mean, the the episode led to
him actually hitting a cop so yeah i am just
like god it went and it could have gone so much
worse because i mean he's a man of color like
christ like you i can't even imagine right he
could have messed with the wrong guy i was looking
it up while you were talking because i was pretty
sure i saw it and it's complex that confirmed
um They did a breath test and blood test, and
he was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
Oh, shit. Okay. Wow. He had a full psychotic
break. Fuck. Oh, no. It's almost like it would
have been easier to fix if it were drugs and
alcohol. Right. Yeah. Because there's kind of
like an excuse of like, this is the reason. And
it's so much harder to fix something that's,
like, just your brain. God, that's awful. Now
I feel terrible. Like, oh, that sucks for him.
Yeah, because he's kind of, like, fallen off
the last, like, year, I feel like. Like, he was
so big in such a short period of time. I feel
like he, like, rose to fame. And then he had
those albums back to back, which I love both
of them. They're so good. I think the second
one was like a little bit less received than
the first. So I'm just wondering like what, gosh,
has it been like a downward spiral since then?
And I hate that for him because like you said,
he was representing something that really hasn't
been seen before. And I loved that. like as a
like a gay man who's like so openly and like
proudly just like showing his you know gayness
like showing all of the parts of of himself and
doing it unapologetically and i just absolutely
loved him for it like i even showed my grandma
and i'm like look at this guy i love him and
she's like look at him go you know yeah oh god
i don't know it's now that Now that we're making
the connection, it's and it's funny that I don't
know. Yeah, Emma wasn't on when you were telling
me like about what the girls room was like based
on. But I mean, like it's yeah, like it does
remind me so much of of Amanda Vines and like
just how like her fall from grace like that sucks
so bad. Yeah. I just feel really bad for him.
I did wonder if it was, like, the stress of needing
to perform the last couple years has really gotten
to him or something like that. Yeah. Because
I can't imagine, like, having millions of eyes
on you and then all of a sudden, like, no one's
talking about you anymore. Right. Oh, yeah. I
can't imagine. So, Emma, do you remember the
Amanda show? yeah I loved the Amanda show I loved
it the title of the girls room is based on like
when they were all like that's what I thought
it was but I didn't want to like just assume
that but now I love that yeah so my yeah so my
logo is an egg as well because you know how like
the one girl is like I like oh yeah like my my
whole intro is like an egg cracking Yeah, I love
that. I don't know how I never put that together.
I mean, the Amanda show has been off the air
forever. It was only on for like two seasons.
It's very millennial of me, but. It's perfect.
I love it. Now that I see the connection, I love
it so much more. I thought it was like the safe
space of a girl's bathroom, which I also love.
That's what I thought it was. That's so funny.
what it is it's literally the girl's room yeah
the girl's room exactly okay so but to back up
a little bit of the whole Amanda Bynes thing
and Lil Nas X I was just thinking like when you
were talking about his like climb and then kind
of like now he's like kind of falling off about
like how that's kind of i'm kind of seeing that
with charlie xcx as well and i've seen a lot
of people say because she like put something
out that was like it's still brought summer and
people are not into that it's like you're like
still chasing the dragon almost yeah and i hate
that for her because like she finally got she
finally got like what she's been after you know
like that big break and i mean she's been famous
for a while but not like you know, alien. She
wasn't, she wasn't right. Right. Exactly. People
knew who she was. Yeah. Some, some people, you
know, not everyone. I've loved her since we played
her at Hollister in 2014. I've loved her the
whole time. I feel like she had real writer dives,
but not a lot of like passive fans. Yeah. It
was such an event. Like, yeah. And I loved it.
Yeah. And I was worried about her feeling like
she needed to do that again, sort of like Lil
Nas X and like what we're saying, like the stress
of it. And that's what I was saying. I was so
happy to see her get married and, like, have
a next chapter and something that she can, like,
focus on. Because I'm sure she'll still make
music and whatever, but it would be so incredibly
difficult to replicate the chokehold she had
on people this summer. Yeah. You know? I don't
know. We'll see what comes from her. Well, and
I think the really scary thing is, is, like,
She reminds me so much of Amy Winehouse. There
are a lot of parallels. There are the massive
gay following. You're cool and you like coke,
whatever. I do not want her to go down that same
path because Amy Winehouse was very public about,
I'm just not interested in that. But she was
also, when she did start to show interest towards
the end there. Like I, it was either her manager
or someone like kept her out of like recovery
because they were like, no, you're, you're going
to continue making money. And that's how the
wheels pop. And I don't want that to happen with
Charlie XCX. Yeah. I think she's a little better
off possibly just because she's like surrounded
by people. And she has like her husband now.
But the 1975 are also like pretty known to be
drug users as well. So I don't know. I don't
know how good of an influence. But that's not
for me to say. I don't know anything about. I'm
not honestly like don't really know anything
about the 1975 other than how they relate to
Taylor Swift. So I know one song by them. And
then we have a friend that. is like all in obsessed
with them like skylee loves um and i was like
yeah we're real people oh yeah no no people do
i used to like them but maddie healy pre -taylor
swift had like some allegations against him and
stuff like that and i'm like well their music
isn't that good you know what i mean like i I
don't have trouble separating the art from the
artist with that. Yeah, I don't know. And I do
feel like, unfortunately, Amy Winehouse was kind
of a lesson for people. And I think in 2025,
you're going to see someone so in such a bad
way, like you did. I don't think they would put
that on anymore. fingers crossed yeah that would
be so hard to see especially like i'm a huge
amy winehouse fan and there are like shows that
are very popular that get posted a lot that i
like can't even watch because it's like why yeah
no one stand up for her yeah it sucks it's i
mean like and i think back to you i mean they
they and this i'm gonna go off on this tangent
for a second they um love it on rupaul's drag
race i think it was season four or five what
uh i don't it doesn't matter what season it was
but uh one of the women or one of the drag queens
oh my god one of the contestants jesus christ
um did amy winehouse as uh the snatch game character
and it like it actually made me mad because like
i was a like i was a huge amy winehouse fan and
i was like this like I mean it was like it was
the leaning into the drug use and it was like
she was putting cigarettes out in her hair and
it was like a whole thing and I was like I don't
want this to be how people see Amy Winehouse
like that but they do have you seen the cake
there's a cake oh yeah yeah one of his fans I
think it was a Halloween party because they it's
like he's known for having these extravagant
halloween parties and like it's the thing to
talk about and it was literally the year amy
winehouse passed away it was like in the shape
of her corpse like she wasn't even supposed to
be alive and it was that's how and that's how
people viewed her as like a spectacle and that's
the reason i'll fuck with ryan seacrest It was
Neil Patrick Harris. I thought it was Ryan Seacrest.
Oh, I'll fuck with it. I don't like Ryan Seacrest
for different reasons, though. Is it because
of the Kardashians? Oh, no. That's like my guilty
pleasure is the Kardashians. Yeah. I think we're
done here. No, I've seen so much of the Kardashians.
It is like a guilty pleasure for me, though,
because I'm watching this and I'm like, wow,
I shouldn't. It's almost like they have. No,
you're fine. It's almost like it's so far out
of reality how they live that I'm just like,
how are you? How? How? i just need to know how
i need to know what is happening it's like escapism
yeah it's like fantasy yeah yeah it is exactly
exactly what it is it's like i can never I mean,
the thing for me is like, so, and I think it
was like 2007 -ish, whenever the first season
of Keeping Up with the Kardashians came out,
I got super into it because I was like, oh, this
girl is friends with Paris Hilton. Like, you
couldn't tell me I wasn't going to be Nicole
Richie when I grew up. So I was like, I love
this. I watched the first season and I was like,
oh, it's fun. They're like, they're doing the
like reality show thing. And then like. If you
do a little bit of digging about that family
and about the OJ Simpson trial and about a lot
of the things that were going on behind the scenes
with, at the time, Bruce Jenner. And I just,
I can't, I can't, I don't like him. Oh my goodness.
I don't know this lore. It's a lot. It's a lot.
It's dark too. It's very dark. oh dad obviously
they don't want to speak ill of the dead and
why would they speak ill of their dad but he
is he was not the best guy oh they because they
love to like put him like as an angel on the
show like he has literal like angel wings yeah
the graphics are insane no that's crazy and why
would they speak ill of their dead dad on tv
like i'm not gonna expect that of them I know
deep down in my heart I shouldn't be supporting
them, but it is so fun to watch. If you can separate
that, I love that. And, like, granted, Kim and
Khloe and the rest of them have nothing to do
with Robert Kardashian and what was going on
there. And they have nothing to do with Bruce
generally, like, literally abandoning his family
for... to Mary Chris Jenner, they have nothing
to do with that. I just, I don't like that they're
all like one group of people all the time that
is just in the middle of some kind of chaos all
the time. Yeah, I think the chaos is manufactured
a lot of the time. Just for views, which is why
I'm like, it's not real. Like none of this is
real and that's what makes it fun. They're like
always in a full glam too. Like they're fully
down. They're in like designer outfits. Like
every time you see them, like. Oh, I just rolled
out of bed. I have these giant eyelashes on,
but this is how I look. The one thing I always
noticed is that they were always in the bed.
Like, they were always in, like, one of the others.
Like, they were, like, just sitting in a bed.
And I was like, no one is in full glam and that
much makeup sitting in a bed. Like, just, like,
hanging out. Like, it's wild to me. Like, that's
just their life. They're exhausted from getting
ready. they're not getting themselves ready no
they're exhausted from sitting in the makeup
chair it's so hard to sit sitting is exhausting
okay well this has been a great episode i have
absolutely loved talking with you guys hopefully
um we can continue the conversation another time
but i'd love to Yeah, but for now, we're going
to definitely sign off and tell the people where
they can find you guys. Cool. Emma, do you want
to go first? Sure. Bessie Approved is on. Pretty
much every platform where you're streaming your
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We're not on video yet, but we will be soon.
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