WEBVTT 00:00:06.660 --> 00:00:12.839 My thoughts are she's not gay. Yeah, I'm with 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:20.679 ya. It feels like a big delusion. Welcome to 00:00:20.679 --> 00:00:24.620 the girl's room. I'm Brittany, your host, and 00:00:24.620 --> 00:00:29.309 today I have Bestie approved with me. Travis 00:00:29.309 --> 00:00:32.250 and Emma, I'm going to let them kind of tell 00:00:32.250 --> 00:00:34.469 everyone about themselves. And then we're just 00:00:34.469 --> 00:00:38.429 going to have some pop culture tea that's going 00:00:38.429 --> 00:00:40.530 to go down that we're going to talk about. They 00:00:40.530 --> 00:00:44.049 sent me some topics that I did not know about 00:00:44.049 --> 00:00:47.850 at all. So I learned about them. And I love that 00:00:47.850 --> 00:00:51.869 because I am a reality girly, like TV girly. 00:00:52.670 --> 00:00:55.329 It was great to learn about the other pop culture 00:00:55.329 --> 00:00:59.909 stuff. So introduce yourselves and tell everybody 00:00:59.909 --> 00:01:03.590 about y 'all's podcast. Cool. My name's Travis. 00:01:04.849 --> 00:01:09.109 I've known Emma now for, God, like we're going 00:01:09.109 --> 00:01:12.069 on like five years of like being very good friends. 00:01:13.129 --> 00:01:17.269 We worked in finance together and we both hated 00:01:17.269 --> 00:01:20.519 it. At one point, we shared an office together. 00:01:20.659 --> 00:01:22.760 We were having a time. And I said one day, oh, 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:24.299 my God, do you know what we should do? We should 00:01:24.299 --> 00:01:26.819 start a podcast. And Emma has always been so 00:01:26.819 --> 00:01:29.900 amazing about, like, being super supportive and, 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:32.420 like, just kind of, like, letting things happen. 00:01:32.500 --> 00:01:34.299 And this is just kind of what it's turned into. 00:01:35.819 --> 00:01:40.519 It's been really cool. I think we just set our 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:46.709 15th episode that just went live today. And we're 00:01:46.709 --> 00:01:48.969 having a great time. But yeah, and I'll let Emma 00:01:48.969 --> 00:01:53.750 introduce herself. Yeah. So since we left finance, 00:01:53.890 --> 00:01:57.310 we have more time now to do passion projects 00:01:57.310 --> 00:02:01.310 and things like that. And so we've been having 00:02:01.310 --> 00:02:04.810 fun just yapping about whatever we want to yap 00:02:04.810 --> 00:02:11.990 about, really. I'm looking up to see now what 00:02:11.990 --> 00:02:17.870 episode that is. It is our 15th episode. Amazing. 00:02:18.629 --> 00:02:23.349 Yay, that is so exciting. Yeah, we're both from 00:02:23.349 --> 00:02:29.590 Indiana. We're still here. And yeah, that's basically 00:02:29.590 --> 00:02:36.469 it for Bestie Approved. I love that. So we got 00:02:36.469 --> 00:02:42.310 to chatting on. uh through rss which was cool 00:02:42.310 --> 00:02:47.449 i just had a conversation um with i can't think 00:02:47.449 --> 00:02:51.270 of his name the guy who runs rss greg wasser 00:02:51.270 --> 00:02:54.530 yes i just had a conversation with him on a different 00:02:54.530 --> 00:02:58.650 podcast um and that was really cool but we got 00:02:58.650 --> 00:03:00.909 we got connected through there and i'm just so 00:03:00.909 --> 00:03:03.409 excited that we did because i think our podcasts 00:03:03.409 --> 00:03:08.860 are kind of similar um and so we had a couple 00:03:08.860 --> 00:03:12.539 topics that we wanted to go over but I think 00:03:12.539 --> 00:03:15.120 I really would love to start with the Taylor 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:18.879 Swift situation since it is the one that's the 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:23.500 nearest and dearest to my heart cool I I I'm 00:03:23.500 --> 00:03:26.319 not gonna say that I'm like a giant Swifty like 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:29.539 I I know some of the lore I definitely don't 00:03:29.539 --> 00:03:32.330 I wouldn't be like I know every single one of 00:03:32.330 --> 00:03:35.069 the songs and I know all the words to every single 00:03:35.069 --> 00:03:38.689 one of her songs. But I know like most of them. 00:03:39.949 --> 00:03:44.969 Sure. And I know the lore. So when you sent the 00:03:44.969 --> 00:03:49.229 gay lore stuff, I knew about that already. I've 00:03:49.229 --> 00:03:53.949 gone down the rabbit hole of the gay lores. Okay. 00:03:53.949 --> 00:03:57.030 What are your thoughts about it then? So, okay. 00:03:57.110 --> 00:04:02.500 Well, my thoughts are she's not gay. yeah I'm 00:04:02.500 --> 00:04:08.120 with ya it feels like a big delusion yeah yeah 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:12.780 I mean I think like if anything she could be 00:04:12.780 --> 00:04:15.639 bi like there's a couple different songs where 00:04:16.810 --> 00:04:21.670 um you could you could put it as like a girl 00:04:21.670 --> 00:04:24.930 like she's talking about a girl um I'm bi so 00:04:24.930 --> 00:04:27.290 I would be fine with her being bi like that would 00:04:27.290 --> 00:04:30.990 be a really cool thought to have okay um but 00:04:30.990 --> 00:04:34.689 do I think that she's gay no I don't think she's 00:04:34.689 --> 00:04:40.170 gay at all I mean her songs are just so boy heavy 00:04:40.170 --> 00:04:43.850 yeah well that so I didn't know that people actually 00:04:43.850 --> 00:04:48.360 believed she was gay and that the I'm sure people 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:51.300 watching this, I'm not huge into Taylor Swift. 00:04:51.540 --> 00:04:56.560 I know I like two of her songs, but I'm just 00:04:56.560 --> 00:04:58.860 not a huge Swifty. I'm sorry, don't come after 00:04:58.860 --> 00:05:02.139 me. But it was showing up on my TikTok where 00:05:02.139 --> 00:05:04.060 people were fully crashing out over her getting 00:05:04.060 --> 00:05:07.259 engaged to Travis Kelsey. And I was like, I'm 00:05:07.259 --> 00:05:09.180 so happy for them. I love them. They're so cool 00:05:09.180 --> 00:05:12.600 together. They're just a very cool couple. i 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:15.339 saw this girl like fully trying to like rationalize 00:05:15.339 --> 00:05:18.100 no taylor is gay taylor is a lesbian and i know 00:05:18.100 --> 00:05:20.000 this and i know this is the truth and i'm just 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:25.000 like oh yeah they go leaps and bounds they're 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:29.420 like this is all for pr this is this this is 00:05:29.420 --> 00:05:33.199 that and if you read into this and her ring and 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:41.060 then like obviously she's gay and it's like A 00:05:41.060 --> 00:05:43.220 thing with her, though, is, like, they're always 00:05:43.220 --> 00:05:46.459 looking at, like, the imagery and, like, they're 00:05:46.459 --> 00:05:48.120 behind the scenes and there's always a clue. 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:50.800 And I'm just like, is it really? I don't know. 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:53.860 I don't know. Well, I will say that, yes, it 00:05:53.860 --> 00:05:57.959 is really always a clue. Yeah, she does a lot 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:01.800 of the hidden messages. No, she does. And she's, 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:05.259 like, come out and said, like, how far back can 00:06:05.259 --> 00:06:09.120 I go, basically? Like, can I go so far back as, 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:12.480 like... to start planning things like two, three 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:16.899 years ahead. So I definitely do think that she 00:06:16.899 --> 00:06:20.639 has done all of the Easter eggs. Like she's so 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:25.720 into that sort of thing. So yes, but I also don't 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:30.100 think that she's gay and I understand the wanting 00:06:30.100 --> 00:06:33.639 of it. I really do. And she is a, she's a supporter 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:36.060 of girls and the arts. You know what I mean? 00:06:37.290 --> 00:06:40.490 I get that. Like she, she loves the girlies and 00:06:40.490 --> 00:06:44.930 she loves the gays and you can be an ally without 00:06:44.930 --> 00:06:50.490 also being gay. You can love women without being 00:06:50.490 --> 00:06:55.110 gay for sure. And I don't know, like you might 00:06:55.110 --> 00:06:58.329 know better than I do. Brittany, has she ever 00:06:58.329 --> 00:07:03.629 done like the Easter egg thing for her personal 00:07:03.629 --> 00:07:08.079 life at all? Like. It just seems so out of pocket 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:11.920 to do that for her sexuality. Like that just 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:15.240 seems so insane. I know she's done it for like 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:17.839 album releases and stuff, but like personally. 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:24.800 So this is kind of where I am not like the huge 00:07:24.800 --> 00:07:31.399 Swifty. I don't I honestly like don't know the 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:35.740 Easter eggs like I stumble upon like TikToks 00:07:35.740 --> 00:07:39.500 and Instagram reels where I'm like oh that makes 00:07:39.500 --> 00:07:44.860 sense but I'm definitely not the one who is searching 00:07:44.860 --> 00:07:49.600 for them right you're not decoding like I'm not 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:52.199 that I'm not in that deep and I don't know how 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:55.610 they have time to do But, like, she's also been 00:07:55.610 --> 00:07:57.709 with Travis Kelsey now for, we're going on a 00:07:57.709 --> 00:08:00.629 year. Like, it's a year or two. Yeah. I think 00:08:00.629 --> 00:08:03.410 it's two. Yeah. It's, like, it's been a while. 00:08:03.529 --> 00:08:05.629 A while. And then she was with Joe for, like, 00:08:05.709 --> 00:08:09.350 seven years. Yeah. And then, you know, like, 00:08:09.470 --> 00:08:14.810 no. You can't make me believe. Yeah. She's with 00:08:14.810 --> 00:08:19.180 him. Like, it's over. Yeah. much money she in 00:08:19.180 --> 00:08:23.800 attention she would get if she dated a woman 00:08:23.800 --> 00:08:26.019 and like made an album about it and like that 00:08:26.019 --> 00:08:28.839 whole thing you know what i mean yeah like i 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:31.759 mean her last album was about maddie healy like 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:35.019 basically like their situation shit right like 00:08:35.019 --> 00:08:42.340 he's the singer for the 1975 okay yeah yeah um 00:08:42.340 --> 00:08:47.049 he is a mess um that people adore so don't come 00:08:47.049 --> 00:08:50.750 at me maddie who we found um if you did have 00:08:50.750 --> 00:08:54.029 to ship her with a woman who would it be oh my 00:08:54.029 --> 00:08:58.730 god what a great question i i okay so anyone 00:08:58.730 --> 00:09:03.210 i'm gonna ship is gonna be either zendaya because 00:09:03.210 --> 00:09:07.950 i just obsessed with her and um zoe kravitz because 00:09:07.950 --> 00:09:10.610 i love both of them and i'm obsessed with them 00:09:10.610 --> 00:09:13.799 both so i'm gonna ship everyone with them always 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:17.259 okay I think Taylor and Zoe Kravitz would be 00:09:17.259 --> 00:09:21.320 hot right I think yeah that'd be great I think 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:23.279 Taylor and Zendaya would actually be super hot 00:09:23.279 --> 00:09:27.159 too I'd be really into that right I feel like 00:09:27.159 --> 00:09:29.700 they have like very similar body types they're 00:09:29.700 --> 00:09:34.259 like long and skinny yeah anyway yeah anyway 00:09:34.259 --> 00:09:40.179 yeah okay so jury's out but she's definitely 00:09:40.179 --> 00:09:43.240 not gay uh jury's not out the jury is decided 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:47.220 here's the god's honest truth even if she is 00:09:47.220 --> 00:09:51.679 let her be gay she's with or she's with one of 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:53.580 the hottest guys on god's green earth i mean 00:09:53.580 --> 00:09:55.379 if that's not gonna turn her straight i don't 00:09:55.379 --> 00:09:59.740 know what will lord have mercy right yeah i don't 00:09:59.740 --> 00:10:03.379 he's not my type but i i get i i love them together 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:09.980 and there are so many celebrities who like gay 00:10:09.980 --> 00:10:13.019 fish and she has not done that at all so i just 00:10:13.019 --> 00:10:15.779 think that's why it's so out of pocket yeah like 00:10:15.779 --> 00:10:19.059 a lot of the rumors sometimes are like it's an 00:10:19.059 --> 00:10:21.820 actor who's played a gay character but it's kind 00:10:21.820 --> 00:10:24.779 of like ambiguous if they're actually gay and 00:10:24.779 --> 00:10:26.360 i just think it's so funny because she's never 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:29.700 done anything like that like i don't know a lot 00:10:29.700 --> 00:10:32.159 of like wanting it to be true is like i think 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:36.649 where this is coming from Yeah, I agree. I agree. 00:10:36.870 --> 00:10:41.929 So speaking of gay, we have a lot of gay topics 00:10:41.929 --> 00:10:47.029 over here. We do, yeah. And I love that. Okay, 00:10:47.129 --> 00:10:50.169 so one of the other things that I saw was the 00:10:50.169 --> 00:10:53.330 crumble CEO getting bullied out of the closet. 00:10:53.830 --> 00:10:59.590 Yeah. I want you guys' thoughts on this. We talked 00:10:59.590 --> 00:11:02.490 about it on Bestie Approved a little bit. Yeah. 00:11:02.529 --> 00:11:05.509 Okay. We did. And like, here's the thing. So 00:11:05.509 --> 00:11:09.490 I think most of the discourse about it came out 00:11:09.490 --> 00:11:11.090 of the fact that he's a registered Republican. 00:11:13.309 --> 00:11:17.389 He's in Utah. So I assume there's some connection 00:11:17.389 --> 00:11:20.090 to the LDS or the Mormon church there. I think 00:11:20.090 --> 00:11:22.049 this is where a lot of like the tension around 00:11:22.049 --> 00:11:27.909 it came from. Right. But I mean, he was walking 00:11:27.909 --> 00:11:30.870 around his very well decorated house and he is. 00:11:31.860 --> 00:11:34.820 very well kept up and he's very cute. I mean, 00:11:34.860 --> 00:11:36.919 like you look at him and you're just like, oh, 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:39.700 this is what a good looking gay guy looks like. 00:11:39.740 --> 00:11:42.659 It's like whatever. And then people were like, 00:11:42.779 --> 00:11:46.320 oh, he says he's straight. And then I guess this 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:49.799 hasn't been confirmed to my knowledge, but I 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:52.200 guess like there someone was saying that there 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:55.639 were Instagram DM screenshots of him like sliding 00:11:55.639 --> 00:11:59.980 into guys DMs. And then I think. It became bigger 00:11:59.980 --> 00:12:02.340 than he expected it to, because, I mean, the 00:12:02.340 --> 00:12:05.039 Crumble CEO is not, like, a huge public figure, 00:12:05.179 --> 00:12:07.080 but, like, people were making a huge deal out 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:12.860 of it. And then he finally came out. Yeah, I 00:12:12.860 --> 00:12:14.799 mean, I definitely don't think it's okay to push 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:20.200 anyone out of the closet. But I don't love that 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:24.860 he's, like, seems a little MAGA -coded. Yeah. 00:12:25.580 --> 00:12:29.529 Not at all. So, yeah. That's the point that we 00:12:29.529 --> 00:12:32.509 were making on Bestie Approved is that, like, 00:12:32.570 --> 00:12:36.590 the guy who initially made the video was just, 00:12:36.649 --> 00:12:42.149 like, clocking him a little bit. It was just 00:12:42.149 --> 00:12:47.509 like, that's not a straight man. But all the 00:12:47.509 --> 00:12:51.669 people who, like, posted DM screenshots and stuff 00:12:51.669 --> 00:12:54.350 like that, like, now you're outing someone and 00:12:54.350 --> 00:12:58.279 that is not cute. Yeah. There are so many other 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:00.840 ways you could have come for him. But, like, 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:04.879 at the same time, he's the one sliding into guys' 00:13:04.980 --> 00:13:08.519 DMs, allegedly. Right. And that's the God's honest 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:14.299 truth. If you're not willing to be yourself authentically, 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:17.580 like, can you expect other people to, like, hold 00:13:17.580 --> 00:13:19.100 up their end of the bargain with? I don't know. 00:13:19.220 --> 00:13:22.399 I don't know. Yeah. I have to agree a little 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:25.299 bit just because it's, like. You're doing something 00:13:25.299 --> 00:13:28.320 in a public space and then expecting people to 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:31.159 like keep your secret. Right. And it's like. 00:13:32.820 --> 00:13:35.679 Why do I need to keep your secret if you're sliding 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:39.720 into my DMs? Exactly. Especially when you're 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:43.220 associating with the ops, basically, being a 00:13:43.220 --> 00:13:47.299 Republican. Well, that's enough. Emma, you know 00:13:47.299 --> 00:13:50.320 this. I dated a guy at one point who was a gay 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:53.320 for Trump, and I didn't realize it until we were 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:55.940 three or four dates in, and that ended very quickly. 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:00.000 But I was like, I don't understand this connection 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:03.100 at all. It just makes zero sense to me. yeah 00:14:03.100 --> 00:14:07.899 same it I I can't understand I can't get it I 00:14:07.899 --> 00:14:12.299 can't um I don't want to even attempt to get 00:14:12.299 --> 00:14:15.440 it I think they should probably see the light 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:17.740 it's like it's like religion it's not for us 00:14:17.740 --> 00:14:25.220 to understand right that's exactly right um and 00:14:25.220 --> 00:14:31.690 then so I saw something recently more gays um 00:14:31.690 --> 00:14:36.710 about lil nas x who i love okay i love lil nas 00:14:36.710 --> 00:14:44.009 x but um i so i saw like about him having the 00:14:44.009 --> 00:14:46.850 stroke and like not being able to use like half 00:14:46.850 --> 00:14:50.570 of his face but i guess that's kind of yeah i 00:14:50.570 --> 00:14:53.509 don't okay this is like before the psychotic 00:14:53.509 --> 00:14:57.490 break okay yes he had yeah so this is a while 00:14:57.490 --> 00:15:00.919 ago so i saw that And then you guys sent me, 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:03.320 you know, that as a topic or, like, him as a 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:05.600 topic. And I'm like, okay, well, that's what 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:09.539 I know. And my coworker was like, no, you haven't 00:15:09.539 --> 00:15:13.639 heard about the breakdown? No, I haven't heard 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:17.500 about the breakdown. So now I know about the 00:15:17.500 --> 00:15:21.259 breakdown. And I'm like, oh, no. Like, I love 00:15:21.259 --> 00:15:28.509 him. I'm so sad for him. But also, wow. So. yeah 00:15:28.509 --> 00:15:30.470 you've seen this right because I threw that one 00:15:30.470 --> 00:15:32.950 on the list have you seen what happened oh yeah 00:15:32.950 --> 00:15:37.210 I saw all the videos I saw everything oh my god 00:15:37.210 --> 00:15:40.850 I saw it kind of like in real time too you know 00:15:40.850 --> 00:15:44.769 who it reminds me of who I also like my heart 00:15:44.769 --> 00:15:52.899 bled for is Amanda Bynes yes yes yes The thing 00:15:52.899 --> 00:15:56.080 that I have a hard time with is so this was happening 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:57.940 in West Hollywood. He was walking around the 00:15:57.940 --> 00:16:00.379 street and his underwear and a pair of cowboy 00:16:00.379 --> 00:16:06.620 boots. And he was he was having an episode. There 00:16:06.620 --> 00:16:09.120 were a thousand percent there was drugs involved, 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:10.980 too. Like, you can't tell me otherwise. Like, 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:12.679 I just wholeheartedly believe that. And that 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:16.799 sucks because, like, if it was anything, I would. 00:16:16.860 --> 00:16:19.320 It looks like crystal meth to me, like just. 00:16:19.769 --> 00:16:23.210 what was happening and um i could be wrong and 00:16:23.210 --> 00:16:26.309 i hope i'm wrong about that but this is a very 00:16:26.309 --> 00:16:28.690 dark road that a lot of gay guys do end up going 00:16:28.690 --> 00:16:32.169 down because it's like i mean tina is huge in 00:16:32.169 --> 00:16:35.730 party culture in the gay community and that sucks 00:16:35.730 --> 00:16:37.850 because like i it's like little mouse x is like 00:16:37.850 --> 00:16:40.769 he represented this like voice of a generation 00:16:40.769 --> 00:16:43.029 that was like i'm going to speak out against 00:16:43.029 --> 00:16:45.470 like you know being repressed and like doing 00:16:45.470 --> 00:16:48.820 this thing and like he's falling into kind of 00:16:48.820 --> 00:16:50.799 a dark pattern that I don't love for him. And 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:52.679 I hope that he gets help and I hope that he figures 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:55.679 it out. I do know that he appeared in front of 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:58.379 a judge and they had, there were like five or 00:16:58.379 --> 00:17:01.120 six charges against him. I think I could be wrong 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:02.559 in the number, but there were several charges 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:05.200 against him. And I would imagine what's going 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:08.059 to end up happening is he will probably go to 00:17:08.059 --> 00:17:12.559 rehab and, and probably do some community service. 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:14.259 I can't imagine he's going to serve any time 00:17:14.259 --> 00:17:18.309 for it, but I, I mean, the the episode led to 00:17:18.309 --> 00:17:23.069 him actually hitting a cop so yeah i am just 00:17:23.069 --> 00:17:25.390 like god it went and it could have gone so much 00:17:25.390 --> 00:17:27.589 worse because i mean he's a man of color like 00:17:27.589 --> 00:17:31.450 christ like you i can't even imagine right he 00:17:31.450 --> 00:17:33.730 could have messed with the wrong guy i was looking 00:17:33.730 --> 00:17:35.410 it up while you were talking because i was pretty 00:17:35.410 --> 00:17:37.849 sure i saw it and it's complex that confirmed 00:17:37.849 --> 00:17:44.619 um They did a breath test and blood test, and 00:17:44.619 --> 00:17:46.940 he was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol. 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:50.960 Oh, shit. Okay. Wow. He had a full psychotic 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:56.940 break. Fuck. Oh, no. It's almost like it would 00:17:56.940 --> 00:17:59.920 have been easier to fix if it were drugs and 00:17:59.920 --> 00:18:03.599 alcohol. Right. Yeah. Because there's kind of 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:08.849 like an excuse of like, this is the reason. And 00:18:08.849 --> 00:18:10.789 it's so much harder to fix something that's, 00:18:10.809 --> 00:18:14.809 like, just your brain. God, that's awful. Now 00:18:14.809 --> 00:18:17.529 I feel terrible. Like, oh, that sucks for him. 00:18:18.329 --> 00:18:21.109 Yeah, because he's kind of, like, fallen off 00:18:21.109 --> 00:18:23.329 the last, like, year, I feel like. Like, he was 00:18:23.329 --> 00:18:27.430 so big in such a short period of time. I feel 00:18:27.430 --> 00:18:30.210 like he, like, rose to fame. And then he had 00:18:30.210 --> 00:18:32.650 those albums back to back, which I love both 00:18:32.650 --> 00:18:36.769 of them. They're so good. I think the second 00:18:36.769 --> 00:18:40.049 one was like a little bit less received than 00:18:40.049 --> 00:18:44.490 the first. So I'm just wondering like what, gosh, 00:18:44.509 --> 00:18:49.130 has it been like a downward spiral since then? 00:18:49.190 --> 00:18:52.029 And I hate that for him because like you said, 00:18:52.069 --> 00:18:56.569 he was representing something that really hasn't 00:18:56.569 --> 00:19:01.059 been seen before. And I loved that. like as a 00:19:01.059 --> 00:19:03.799 like a gay man who's like so openly and like 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:07.720 proudly just like showing his you know gayness 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:11.279 like showing all of the parts of of himself and 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:13.519 doing it unapologetically and i just absolutely 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:16.759 loved him for it like i even showed my grandma 00:19:16.759 --> 00:19:19.980 and i'm like look at this guy i love him and 00:19:19.980 --> 00:19:23.299 she's like look at him go you know yeah oh god 00:19:23.299 --> 00:19:27.420 i don't know it's now that Now that we're making 00:19:27.420 --> 00:19:29.519 the connection, it's and it's funny that I don't 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:31.599 know. Yeah, Emma wasn't on when you were telling 00:19:31.599 --> 00:19:34.619 me like about what the girls room was like based 00:19:34.619 --> 00:19:37.559 on. But I mean, like it's yeah, like it does 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:42.140 remind me so much of of Amanda Vines and like 00:19:42.140 --> 00:19:44.420 just how like her fall from grace like that sucks 00:19:44.420 --> 00:19:49.390 so bad. Yeah. I just feel really bad for him. 00:19:49.430 --> 00:19:54.329 I did wonder if it was, like, the stress of needing 00:19:54.329 --> 00:19:57.789 to perform the last couple years has really gotten 00:19:57.789 --> 00:20:00.589 to him or something like that. Yeah. Because 00:20:00.589 --> 00:20:04.730 I can't imagine, like, having millions of eyes 00:20:04.730 --> 00:20:07.369 on you and then all of a sudden, like, no one's 00:20:07.369 --> 00:20:10.730 talking about you anymore. Right. Oh, yeah. I 00:20:10.730 --> 00:20:14.309 can't imagine. So, Emma, do you remember the 00:20:14.309 --> 00:20:18.490 Amanda show? yeah I loved the Amanda show I loved 00:20:18.490 --> 00:20:21.910 it the title of the girls room is based on like 00:20:21.910 --> 00:20:25.789 when they were all like that's what I thought 00:20:25.789 --> 00:20:27.329 it was but I didn't want to like just assume 00:20:27.329 --> 00:20:32.390 that but now I love that yeah so my yeah so my 00:20:32.390 --> 00:20:35.170 logo is an egg as well because you know how like 00:20:35.170 --> 00:20:40.210 the one girl is like I like oh yeah like my my 00:20:40.210 --> 00:20:44.500 whole intro is like an egg cracking Yeah, I love 00:20:44.500 --> 00:20:47.480 that. I don't know how I never put that together. 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:49.660 I mean, the Amanda show has been off the air 00:20:49.660 --> 00:20:52.900 forever. It was only on for like two seasons. 00:20:54.019 --> 00:20:57.980 It's very millennial of me, but. It's perfect. 00:20:58.079 --> 00:21:01.980 I love it. Now that I see the connection, I love 00:21:01.980 --> 00:21:04.460 it so much more. I thought it was like the safe 00:21:04.460 --> 00:21:07.279 space of a girl's bathroom, which I also love. 00:21:08.019 --> 00:21:10.299 That's what I thought it was. That's so funny. 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:15.700 what it is it's literally the girl's room yeah 00:21:15.700 --> 00:21:21.339 the girl's room exactly okay so but to back up 00:21:21.339 --> 00:21:24.779 a little bit of the whole Amanda Bynes thing 00:21:24.779 --> 00:21:31.099 and Lil Nas X I was just thinking like when you 00:21:31.099 --> 00:21:34.119 were talking about his like climb and then kind 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:36.160 of like now he's like kind of falling off about 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:38.390 like how that's kind of i'm kind of seeing that 00:21:38.390 --> 00:21:41.589 with charlie xcx as well and i've seen a lot 00:21:41.589 --> 00:21:44.369 of people say because she like put something 00:21:44.369 --> 00:21:47.509 out that was like it's still brought summer and 00:21:47.509 --> 00:21:50.650 people are not into that it's like you're like 00:21:50.650 --> 00:21:53.730 still chasing the dragon almost yeah and i hate 00:21:53.730 --> 00:21:56.690 that for her because like she finally got she 00:21:56.690 --> 00:22:00.009 finally got like what she's been after you know 00:22:00.009 --> 00:22:02.430 like that big break and i mean she's been famous 00:22:02.430 --> 00:22:07.299 for a while but not like you know, alien. She 00:22:07.299 --> 00:22:11.440 wasn't, she wasn't right. Right. Exactly. People 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:15.500 knew who she was. Yeah. Some, some people, you 00:22:15.500 --> 00:22:19.079 know, not everyone. I've loved her since we played 00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:22.039 her at Hollister in 2014. I've loved her the 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:25.539 whole time. I feel like she had real writer dives, 00:22:25.579 --> 00:22:29.420 but not a lot of like passive fans. Yeah. It 00:22:29.420 --> 00:22:34.160 was such an event. Like, yeah. And I loved it. 00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:38.400 Yeah. And I was worried about her feeling like 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:41.720 she needed to do that again, sort of like Lil 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:44.559 Nas X and like what we're saying, like the stress 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:49.309 of it. And that's what I was saying. I was so 00:22:49.309 --> 00:22:52.549 happy to see her get married and, like, have 00:22:52.549 --> 00:22:55.630 a next chapter and something that she can, like, 00:22:55.630 --> 00:22:58.329 focus on. Because I'm sure she'll still make 00:22:58.329 --> 00:23:01.109 music and whatever, but it would be so incredibly 00:23:01.109 --> 00:23:05.009 difficult to replicate the chokehold she had 00:23:05.009 --> 00:23:09.589 on people this summer. Yeah. You know? I don't 00:23:09.589 --> 00:23:11.890 know. We'll see what comes from her. Well, and 00:23:11.890 --> 00:23:14.130 I think the really scary thing is, is, like, 00:23:14.819 --> 00:23:17.799 She reminds me so much of Amy Winehouse. There 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:20.779 are a lot of parallels. There are the massive 00:23:20.779 --> 00:23:25.579 gay following. You're cool and you like coke, 00:23:25.700 --> 00:23:31.099 whatever. I do not want her to go down that same 00:23:31.099 --> 00:23:33.859 path because Amy Winehouse was very public about, 00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:37.200 I'm just not interested in that. But she was 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:40.539 also, when she did start to show interest towards 00:23:40.539 --> 00:23:43.900 the end there. Like I, it was either her manager 00:23:43.900 --> 00:23:46.279 or someone like kept her out of like recovery 00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:48.319 because they were like, no, you're, you're going 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:50.619 to continue making money. And that's how the 00:23:50.619 --> 00:23:52.299 wheels pop. And I don't want that to happen with 00:23:52.299 --> 00:23:55.980 Charlie XCX. Yeah. I think she's a little better 00:23:55.980 --> 00:23:59.660 off possibly just because she's like surrounded 00:23:59.660 --> 00:24:06.140 by people. And she has like her husband now. 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:12.299 But the 1975 are also like pretty known to be 00:24:12.299 --> 00:24:17.720 drug users as well. So I don't know. I don't 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:20.680 know how good of an influence. But that's not 00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:23.460 for me to say. I don't know anything about. I'm 00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:25.000 not honestly like don't really know anything 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:29.779 about the 1975 other than how they relate to 00:24:29.779 --> 00:24:33.920 Taylor Swift. So I know one song by them. And 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:37.660 then we have a friend that. is like all in obsessed 00:24:37.660 --> 00:24:42.259 with them like skylee loves um and i was like 00:24:42.259 --> 00:24:47.420 yeah we're real people oh yeah no no people do 00:24:47.420 --> 00:24:53.319 i used to like them but maddie healy pre -taylor 00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:56.519 swift had like some allegations against him and 00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:58.420 stuff like that and i'm like well their music 00:24:58.420 --> 00:25:02.059 isn't that good you know what i mean like i I 00:25:02.059 --> 00:25:04.220 don't have trouble separating the art from the 00:25:04.220 --> 00:25:09.920 artist with that. Yeah, I don't know. And I do 00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:13.940 feel like, unfortunately, Amy Winehouse was kind 00:25:13.940 --> 00:25:17.559 of a lesson for people. And I think in 2025, 00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:24.000 you're going to see someone so in such a bad 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:27.619 way, like you did. I don't think they would put 00:25:27.619 --> 00:25:31.990 that on anymore. fingers crossed yeah that would 00:25:31.990 --> 00:25:35.769 be so hard to see especially like i'm a huge 00:25:35.769 --> 00:25:39.089 amy winehouse fan and there are like shows that 00:25:39.089 --> 00:25:42.269 are very popular that get posted a lot that i 00:25:42.269 --> 00:25:45.230 like can't even watch because it's like why yeah 00:25:45.230 --> 00:25:49.829 no one stand up for her yeah it sucks it's i 00:25:49.829 --> 00:25:51.589 mean like and i think back to you i mean they 00:25:51.589 --> 00:25:53.869 they and this i'm gonna go off on this tangent 00:25:53.869 --> 00:25:57.089 for a second they um love it on rupaul's drag 00:25:57.089 --> 00:26:01.230 race i think it was season four or five what 00:26:01.230 --> 00:26:04.170 uh i don't it doesn't matter what season it was 00:26:04.170 --> 00:26:07.049 but uh one of the women or one of the drag queens 00:26:07.049 --> 00:26:09.549 oh my god one of the contestants jesus christ 00:26:09.549 --> 00:26:14.789 um did amy winehouse as uh the snatch game character 00:26:14.789 --> 00:26:19.950 and it like it actually made me mad because like 00:26:19.950 --> 00:26:23.009 i was a like i was a huge amy winehouse fan and 00:26:23.009 --> 00:26:25.549 i was like this like I mean it was like it was 00:26:25.549 --> 00:26:27.269 the leaning into the drug use and it was like 00:26:27.269 --> 00:26:28.970 she was putting cigarettes out in her hair and 00:26:28.970 --> 00:26:31.430 it was like a whole thing and I was like I don't 00:26:31.430 --> 00:26:35.650 want this to be how people see Amy Winehouse 00:26:35.650 --> 00:26:38.910 like that but they do have you seen the cake 00:26:38.910 --> 00:26:47.150 there's a cake oh yeah yeah one of his fans I 00:26:47.150 --> 00:26:50.269 think it was a Halloween party because they it's 00:26:50.269 --> 00:26:54.079 like he's known for having these extravagant 00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:56.339 halloween parties and like it's the thing to 00:26:56.339 --> 00:27:00.319 talk about and it was literally the year amy 00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:04.200 winehouse passed away it was like in the shape 00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:06.779 of her corpse like she wasn't even supposed to 00:27:06.779 --> 00:27:11.720 be alive and it was that's how and that's how 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:15.319 people viewed her as like a spectacle and that's 00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:19.490 the reason i'll fuck with ryan seacrest It was 00:27:19.490 --> 00:27:22.230 Neil Patrick Harris. I thought it was Ryan Seacrest. 00:27:22.269 --> 00:27:27.269 Oh, I'll fuck with it. I don't like Ryan Seacrest 00:27:27.269 --> 00:27:29.190 for different reasons, though. Is it because 00:27:29.190 --> 00:27:35.849 of the Kardashians? Oh, no. That's like my guilty 00:27:35.849 --> 00:27:44.589 pleasure is the Kardashians. Yeah. I think we're 00:27:44.589 --> 00:27:48.930 done here. No, I've seen so much of the Kardashians. 00:27:48.930 --> 00:27:51.809 It is like a guilty pleasure for me, though, 00:27:51.869 --> 00:27:53.549 because I'm watching this and I'm like, wow, 00:27:53.730 --> 00:27:59.569 I shouldn't. It's almost like they have. No, 00:27:59.650 --> 00:28:02.849 you're fine. It's almost like it's so far out 00:28:02.849 --> 00:28:05.349 of reality how they live that I'm just like, 00:28:05.490 --> 00:28:10.180 how are you? How? How? i just need to know how 00:28:10.180 --> 00:28:15.519 i need to know what is happening it's like escapism 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.599 yeah it's like fantasy yeah yeah it is exactly 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:23.799 exactly what it is it's like i can never I mean, 00:28:23.859 --> 00:28:26.759 the thing for me is like, so, and I think it 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:29.799 was like 2007 -ish, whenever the first season 00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:31.279 of Keeping Up with the Kardashians came out, 00:28:31.299 --> 00:28:33.140 I got super into it because I was like, oh, this 00:28:33.140 --> 00:28:34.640 girl is friends with Paris Hilton. Like, you 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:35.980 couldn't tell me I wasn't going to be Nicole 00:28:35.980 --> 00:28:37.960 Richie when I grew up. So I was like, I love 00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:40.759 this. I watched the first season and I was like, 00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:42.779 oh, it's fun. They're like, they're doing the 00:28:42.779 --> 00:28:45.500 like reality show thing. And then like. If you 00:28:45.500 --> 00:28:48.099 do a little bit of digging about that family 00:28:48.099 --> 00:28:50.779 and about the OJ Simpson trial and about a lot 00:28:50.779 --> 00:28:53.079 of the things that were going on behind the scenes 00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:56.279 with, at the time, Bruce Jenner. And I just, 00:28:56.359 --> 00:29:00.940 I can't, I can't, I don't like him. Oh my goodness. 00:29:01.019 --> 00:29:04.640 I don't know this lore. It's a lot. It's a lot. 00:29:04.740 --> 00:29:09.539 It's dark too. It's very dark. oh dad obviously 00:29:09.539 --> 00:29:12.259 they don't want to speak ill of the dead and 00:29:12.259 --> 00:29:14.299 why would they speak ill of their dad but he 00:29:14.299 --> 00:29:21.059 is he was not the best guy oh they because they 00:29:21.059 --> 00:29:24.059 love to like put him like as an angel on the 00:29:24.059 --> 00:29:27.559 show like he has literal like angel wings yeah 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:33.460 the graphics are insane no that's crazy and why 00:29:33.460 --> 00:29:36.140 would they speak ill of their dead dad on tv 00:29:36.140 --> 00:29:40.960 like i'm not gonna expect that of them I know 00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:43.380 deep down in my heart I shouldn't be supporting 00:29:43.380 --> 00:29:48.039 them, but it is so fun to watch. If you can separate 00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:51.279 that, I love that. And, like, granted, Kim and 00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:54.059 Khloe and the rest of them have nothing to do 00:29:54.059 --> 00:29:57.000 with Robert Kardashian and what was going on 00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:01.559 there. And they have nothing to do with Bruce 00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:04.559 generally, like, literally abandoning his family 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:08.809 for... to Mary Chris Jenner, they have nothing 00:30:08.809 --> 00:30:11.890 to do with that. I just, I don't like that they're 00:30:11.890 --> 00:30:15.069 all like one group of people all the time that 00:30:15.069 --> 00:30:19.529 is just in the middle of some kind of chaos all 00:30:19.529 --> 00:30:24.329 the time. Yeah, I think the chaos is manufactured 00:30:24.329 --> 00:30:30.150 a lot of the time. Just for views, which is why 00:30:30.150 --> 00:30:34.420 I'm like, it's not real. Like none of this is 00:30:34.420 --> 00:30:38.839 real and that's what makes it fun. They're like 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:42.099 always in a full glam too. Like they're fully 00:30:42.099 --> 00:30:45.480 down. They're in like designer outfits. Like 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.180 every time you see them, like. Oh, I just rolled 00:30:48.180 --> 00:30:53.779 out of bed. I have these giant eyelashes on, 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:57.759 but this is how I look. The one thing I always 00:30:57.759 --> 00:30:59.819 noticed is that they were always in the bed. 00:30:59.940 --> 00:31:01.759 Like, they were always in, like, one of the others. 00:31:01.859 --> 00:31:04.079 Like, they were, like, just sitting in a bed. 00:31:04.140 --> 00:31:06.559 And I was like, no one is in full glam and that 00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:09.799 much makeup sitting in a bed. Like, just, like, 00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:12.259 hanging out. Like, it's wild to me. Like, that's 00:31:12.259 --> 00:31:13.720 just their life. They're exhausted from getting 00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:18.299 ready. they're not getting themselves ready no 00:31:18.299 --> 00:31:20.259 they're exhausted from sitting in the makeup 00:31:20.259 --> 00:31:24.859 chair it's so hard to sit sitting is exhausting 00:31:24.859 --> 00:31:32.519 okay well this has been a great episode i have 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:35.359 absolutely loved talking with you guys hopefully 00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:39.099 um we can continue the conversation another time 00:31:39.099 --> 00:31:43.279 but i'd love to Yeah, but for now, we're going 00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:46.579 to definitely sign off and tell the people where 00:31:46.579 --> 00:31:50.420 they can find you guys. Cool. Emma, do you want 00:31:50.420 --> 00:31:55.500 to go first? Sure. Bessie Approved is on. Pretty 00:31:55.500 --> 00:31:57.779 much every platform where you're streaming your 00:31:57.779 --> 00:32:02.039 podcasts, Spotify, Apple Music, all the big ones. 00:32:02.299 --> 00:32:06.279 We're not on video yet, but we will be soon. 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:12.500 And yeah, we also encourage you to email us, 00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.460 leave comments, whatever. If you want to shoot 00:32:15.460 --> 00:32:18.079 us an email because you have thoughts about what 00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:21.059 we've been yapping about, it's just Travis or 00:32:21.059 --> 00:32:25.880 Emma at TravisandEmma .com. Well, you guys have 00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:30.339 a great rest of your day and we will talk soon. 00:32:30.740 --> 00:32:34.960 This episode of the girls room is brought to 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:38.440 you by Whitcraft podcast studio and Whit group. 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:41.119 Thank you for watching the girls room. Don't 00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:43.339 forget to like subscribe and share.