Cool. Awesome. Do you guys want to go first?
I mean, I guess we could do the welcome to another
episode of Husbands Watching Housewives. I'm
Scott. I'm Jeff. And we have some special guests
with us today. We're also their guests. We're
their guests. Yes, all of us. Who's who's guests?
We don't know. I'm Travis. And I'm Emma. And
this is Bestie Approved. Yeah, it's all working
out. This is like our second collaboration ever.
So it's just, you know. Same. a lot of learning
yeah like we we've been guests on one other podcast
and like i didn't even know that was a collab
like i think it was just us being guests i don't
really i i never got the like the audio from
that i have no idea what happened with that i
don't even know if it got published if i'm being
honest but we're just talking and it's what we're
best at um What's the last song that everyone
listened to? I don't know if I told you guys
about this, but this is something cute that Emma
and I do at the beginning of every episode. What's
the last song both of you listened to? That requires
me to know the names of the bands that I listen
to. I'm pretty much at the will of Spotify playing
things randomly at me. I'm like, oh, I like this
song. Okay. Apparently, I listened to Scarlet
by Holly Humberstone most recently. That's what
I'm into. Jeff was probably listening to some
disco fantasticness on the way home. Well, I
was listening to a podcast on the way home. But
before that, I think the last... What was the
last one? It was my leg song, which is like 500
or 600 songs. Just pick one, any one. Which one's
your vibe right now? It's really like a mismatch.
or a mashup of like i i don't listen to a lot
of current stuff um so which is like a lot of
either might be 70s or 80s or 90s or 2000s and
so you're like an adult contemporary radio station
pretty much like there's like beautiful a few
people that i will listen to like a current people
but it's really you know far and few between
so it might have been some It was an old song.
But what about you guys? Mine was also old. It
was Fade Into by Mazzy Star. Oh, that's a good
one. That's a good one. It's on my list. Mine
is fairly old, like 2012 -ish. Better than that,
the Dave Aude remix by Sub Radio. Yeah, I lost
on that one. Very gay. Very gay. Do you guys
just want to jump into the episode? I feel like
it was a pretty big... episode unless there's
anything on anyone else's minds before we jump
in because i don't have given the current state
of the world i don't feel like complaining about
politics right now like i yeah no same same absolutely
yeah getting into that episode is probably a
better place to go i was gonna say something
i just like read something before i like hopped
out of the car but what did you read jimmy kimmel
got a show canceled well did he get his show
canceled Well, he got pulled indefinitely. Indefinitely.
Yeah, it just happened. Yeah. That's crazy. At
the request of everyone's favorite. Yeah. Right.
Because I can tell you the last time I watched
Jimmy Kimmel. I mean, that's true, too. Same.
But I do enjoy him as a host. I do, too. And
I enjoy free speech. But we can go down a whole
sad road about that. So, sorry. beautiful i had
no idea that's crazy it just happened i think
i just saw it like i was like after the stoplight
you know once i got off looking at your phone
that's fine that's cool i got off the road to
emma while i was driving before it's yeah i watched
him be in reverse and launch tiktok on his phone
and it's like Godspeed, I guess. Godspeed. It's
a real talent. Jesus, take the wheel. Actually,
though. Cool. So, yeah, where did the show start?
Every week, Scott says that to me. Well, I don't
remember shit. I really just don't remember a
thing at all. I know we just watched that, but
how the show started off, and usually where we
end up by the end of the show, two totally different
places. And so he'll say that. And I'm like,
oh, where did it start? So that's kind of the
cool thing that Salt Lake City has done in the
last couple of years is they've pretty well contained
it all inside of a capsule episode where they're
not all over the place. It's not a ton of different
scenes. But we start and end on a camping trip,
basically. Angie Kay picks Mary up in a little
RV for a little getaway. And I guess they tricked
all the other women into... getting on this RV
excursion with them. And I love that so much
because I'm obsessed with the idea of an RV trip.
I've told them about this a million times. Like
I want so badly to like drive across the country
in an RV. I've always wanted to do that too.
And I always thought like, oh, thanks a lot.
You know, MTV and road rules and all that stuff.
Like this gave me, I just always wanted to, but
of course no challenges along the way. I don't
need those. I would do like one or two challenges.
Go ahead. I would hate to be. surprised by it
though like i need to know totally if i'm gonna
be in close quarters with nine other people before
i launch into it there's no way um for that yeah
mary is allegedly co -hosting this thing i feel
like she honestly just said she would co -host
so that angie would tell her where the fuck they
were going oh probably well i'll do it and then
she didn't And I love the way they present. Like,
yeah, like I bought an RV three years ago because
my husband told me to. And now I just had the
great idea to like take the women on this RV
trip. They had camping roll plaster all over
the front of this RV. Like it was very clearly
something done by production. And it's fine.
I can deal with the illusion of some of it. Her
RV that they showed was not the RV they were
in either. No, it wasn't. But. So they all show
up. Everyone shows up at Beauty Lab and Laser,
the holy place where Jen Shaw got arrested. They're
all waiting out front. We find out that Angie,
Whitney, and Bronwyn aren't getting along with
Baby Gorgeous Lisa, which is, spoiler alert,
why she's not on the bus. No, it's because she's
working. She has work to be done. Obviously,
she is with Blake Lively. Blake and Ben. Blake
and Ben. sure and to be fair i did see pictures
of them together on instagram but like okay like
whatever whatever you need to tell yourself baby
gorgeous um what else i couldn't tell i couldn't
tell from your notes like where lisa barlow like
ranks and like your your hierarchy of the salt
lake housewives because you were you had a lot
of notes that were like i love her i love her
but also like i don't know if i can That's where
I struggle so much. And Emma will tell you this.
I like the idea of Lisa Barlow. I imagine in
real life, she's probably one of the most fun
people to be around. I think she's probably incredibly
generous. I think she's wonderful. I think she
has a very, very hard time not being the alpha
dog in some cases. And I think that's where you
get a lot of the... that her screaming at Whitney,
you're lying, you're lying. And like, I can't
handle when someone needs to control a narrative.
And I think that's how she's been presented on
the show for better or worse. So I really, really
want to like her. I really want to like all the
women. I don't have a problem with anyone except
for Brittany. I'm sure you could tell from my
notes that I cannot stand Brittany, but everyone
else I really, really like. And I want to like
Lisa. Right. No, agreed. I think. I don't know.
Irritates the ever -living snot out of us, but
she's one of the ones that's supposed to. I don't
think you're supposed to worship everything that
she does. And I think that we're like, I'd rather
not. But she does a good job at doing what she
needs to do. I don't know. I feel like if you
look at a lot of people's pages on Instagram,
particularly Queens of Bravo, you're supposed
to worship Lisa and that she carries the show.
So I was glad she wasn't on the episode, but
I knew. They were going to talk about her, and
I knew everyone was going to say, they can't
go one episode without talking about Lisa. Lisa's
carrying the show, even without being there.
And I hate that narrative, because I think they
all pull their weight, and they all have something
to add in its ensemble show, and it's not just
the Lisa show. Like, there's no Housewives, or
there shouldn't be no Housewives, where it's
just, like, insert person show. so i agree if
anyone wasn't there they would have talked about
her it didn't matter who it was yes yeah I agree.
And I think that's what I like about this show
is like, I think they are all equally matched
in this show. Like, I don't think there's one
person that carries it. And there's like, you
can make the argument about Mary in seasons,
what, three and four, where she was like, not
on the show. And then she was a friend of like,
I'll buy that with Mary. But like, I also think
she did not want to be part of the show. And
she had more going on in her life because we
see what happened in season five with her son.
But like, I think everyone there really holds
their own weight. Anyway. Brittany's back this
year, and I hate that, but part of me does love
that she saw this invitation, and she took it
for face value, and she showed up in a bikini
under her coat, and she said, I'm Brittany Spears.
Look at me. I loved that. Did she really? Yeah,
I loved her little fit. I kind of, yeah, I enjoyed
that. That was the one thing I was like, oh,
okay, you're funny, Brittany. The thing is about
Brittany, she's an actress. She is a Broadway
girl, yeah. Yeah, I think a lot of this is like
her acting and playing the part of a housewife.
And I wonder, I'm like, are you really like this?
Or are you just like... giving a performance
okay so now that you're saying that out loud
like that reframes my the entire way I think
about her because like now I'm just like oh she
this because the whole like the the her giving
the toast and the her like I can't even say it
last season about Jared Osman like that that
whole song and dance now that you're saying that
I'm like oh maybe there is something to that
you can see the acting she's acting Because she's
not that good at it. I mean, what? Bless her
heart. Bless her little heart. So they all get
on the RV. I was so obsessed with all of it,
though. Like, I want to be on an RV so bad. And
they do a little flashback. Emma, have you gotten
to the point in season two yet where Jen Shaw
got arrested? Yeah. Okay. So they do the shot
for shot, like, reenactment of. the the SWAT
team showing up and they're like and I I want
to know who all knew about this in advance because
like I could tell Heather was acting but the
whole oh the they show up and like and then you
realize they're strippers like I was fine with
it but like up until the moment that I realized
they were strippers I was so mad I was like I
don't want this I don't like take this back I
don't want this on my house oh yeah we didn't
immediately knew they were strippers did you
really yeah The SWAT thing, it gave like FBI
female body inspector. Okay, so maybe I'm just
like too naive. I don't know. But like one of
those strippers was a little thick and I was
super into that. For like half a second, I thought
like, wait a minute. Is this an actual like,
are the police out there? Is there something
like, is the RV in a no parking zone? I thought
it'd be some. crap like that but yeah then I
was like I thought they were just like showing
up to like oh look it's like we're doing a funny
little like bit like I thought that's what was
happening but like the thick stripper really
I was like I'll take it that's fine I do like
Whitney though I think she's so funny I liked
Whitney a lot this episode and that was like
that was a good setup yeah that was a good prank
it took me a minute with Whitney on this episode.
Cause I was like, I think I had a bad taste in
my mouth from like the last couple of seasons
on her healing journey. Like, I was just like,
I don't like, I don't, I don't need it. But like,
I, I was really surprised at how vulnerable she
was able to be like with everything that's gone
on with the business. And like, I, I was, I became
a big fan of Whitney this, this episode. She's
on her filling journey. So her business failed.
On a filling journey. It was my favorite moment
of the show around that fire pit. We'll get to
it later. But when she says, I am not ready for
a hug right now. That was my favorite moment
of the whole show. I wrote that down at some
point. That was very good. She said, I don't.
Like she stopped talking. She's like. It was
the face she made for me. I was like. oh yes
we're back to be sobbing your eyes out and be
like get off of me um they get into lisa not
being on the rv and and she says it's because
she had a work thing but then we get a flashback
to lisa on facetime flat out saying she doesn't
want to spend the night with bronwyn i like how
do you guys feel about bronwyn let me ask you
this i like bronwyn a lot a lot to the show last
season I like anyone who can I feel the other
woman to a certain extent maybe not Angie maybe
not Whitney will just like back off when like
Lisa comes at them and the fact that Bronwyn
I think it was when they were in Palm Springs
and she was just like what was the line like
you're doing your job like it you expect me to
like ride your dick like it's my job like I was
like yes yes give it to her like give me that
head shake like All that was good for me. So
the fact that Lisa is saying, I don't want to
be there because Bronwyn's there. It's like,
really? You've had bigger beefs with like Heather
and Whitney. Like, why are you acting as if Bronwyn
is like the most, is the worst thing ever? So
I thought that was just dumb. Like, and it's
also, it's, well, two things. One, it's your
job. I know you have a real job, but this is
your job to go on this cast trip. So I don't
know what you're thinking there. But then I also
read, and this may not be true, but, you know,
because it was on Reddit, that someone was saying
that she was still in contract negotiations when
they started filming. And so maybe that's why
she wasn't on this episode. Did you see that?
Oh, no, I didn't see that. I remember that being
an issue when we heard they started filming is
that she wasn't yet finalized. Yeah. I do remember
that. Interesting. Was it, wait, Bronwyn wasn't
finalized? No, she was trying to play hardball,
I think. Or maybe she successfully did. Yeah.
Interesting. Because otherwise I feel like she
would be like, I hate, I may hate all these chicks,
but I will at least show up because it's my job.
But if she's still trying to negotiate to come
back on this season, then you're not going to
appear. And there's going to keep rolling without
you. Well, that's the interesting thing. And
like Emma and I have talked about this. We talked
about this with Secret Lives of Mormon Wives
with Taylor not going on one of the cast trips.
We're like. that's a different beast from the
housewives because the housewives will just,
like, cut you out. Like, they'll be like, okay,
well, you didn't want it that bad, so friend
up, I guess. No call, no show, girlfriend. Yeah,
I think that's why, like, Heather was so pissed
at Bronwyn for not inviting her on that Palm
Springs trip last year because she was like,
I would come, but if you're not inviting me,
I can't come, therefore I'm not in the episode,
therefore I'm not going to be paid for this episode,
and you're really screwing me. That's true. Yeah.
uh but so they get into that a little bit and
we get more into that a little bit later um because
i think i wonder if part of it was also like
she just like didn't like didn't want to deal
with the lawsuit stuff because like i i don't
think she wanted the same treatment for better
or worse that jen shaw got because i'm i mean
the way she granted it's a very very different
situation but the The way that they just hung
Jen Shaw out to dry with the lawsuit stuff, I
don't think Lisa wanted to put herself in that
situation where the woman could say anything
similar to that about her. I think aside from
Jen Shaw, Lisa always does this thing we were
just talking about where she's so worried about
her image and the PR of it all that she, while
things are pending, maybe didn't want to have
that conversation. I'll buy that 100%. That makes
sense too. Yeah. But we also get into a fight
between Whitney and Brittany. Yeah, Whitney and
Brittany about fighting about Whitney's business.
And I don't like Brittany bringing this stuff
up because I'm like, Brittany, you don't have
a business. Shut up. I don't want to hear your
mouth. I can't stand her. And then we cut to
Angie K drinking tequila straight from the bottle.
And I loved it so much. I love the de -evolution
because she started pouring shots and then the
girls start fighting and like then you see her
just devolve into like straight I kept trying
to see like if there were if the bottle kept
going full empty full empty like during different
cuts just to kind of see like how consistently
they were or were not drinking but I didn't really
catch anything yeah this cast drinks like this
cast it's it's not like some of the women on
beverly hills and it's not like i it's not like
some of the women in potomac like this guy's
drinks yeah yeah i love it um i was surprised
that oh sorry i was please go ahead i was surprised
by britney's like such her strong defense of
lisa and they're like sisters now and like how
dare you besmirch her name whitney i was like
what where is this coming from britney was trying
to get a permanent spot as a as a housewife and
not a friend of that's what that was i can definitively
tell yeah that's where she was i don't think
they're actually friends let me tell you i do
not i i the i think the only sisterly thing that
that Lisa Barlow has ever done to Brittany is
looking at Brittany and saying, you do need keratosteumatic
when she was told she had high body count hair.
I do not think that they are that close outside
of that. Do you think any of them are actually
friends? I think Heather and Whitney are probably
friends. And I think... Cousins! What'd you say?
They're cousins. They are cousins. And I think
that Angie and Mary are very genuine friends.
I don't think any of the rest of them were that
close. I think that they all knew each other
peripherally. And I think that's what makes,
I think that's what starts to make for a really
good cast on Housewives is they know each other,
but they are still figuring each other out, I
guess. I don't know. Yeah. That makes sense.
But the women get to their campsite and I have
a place like this, like a mile from my house.
I know this place. I can smell this place. It's
awful. It's miserable. There's absolutely a school
bus outside of this place. It was rugged. Yeah.
And then Mary just goes, I don't like it. And
I love it. Like, okay, hostess. Did you feel
for any moment once they pulled up that like
they were just going to stop camping that at
any moment they're like, just kidding. We're
going somewhere else. I mean, forget the fact
that we saw the trailers and we knew probably
it didn't happen. But did you think or hope for
a moment that maybe I may be a cabin or something?
Honestly, I really didn't think they were going
to campfire dinner. Do you? arrangements too
like how are they cramming them all in there
are they doing it like traitor style where half
of them are going off to a hotel once the cameras
stop yeah true i don't believe they spent the
night there i'll be real with you it was an hour
away from home i believe they probably either
like went to a myriad that night or like went
like a double tree yeah yeah i think a courtyard
suite at least give him a jw come on One of these
other tropes I don't love, Brittany brought camcorders
for the girls. Why? I think it was Carol did
this in New York when they all went to Turks
and Caicos. I don't need that. You're surrounded
by cameras. It's okay, babe. We're watching you
on TV. It's okay. I mean, she was clearly trying
to take the narrative back. She tried miserably,
like, I'm the one who's known as recording people,
and it's like... Well, why did you bring that
up? Yeah, we know. Yeah. That's why we hate you.
Why would you bring up your own dirt like that?
It did give us a good flashback to Meredith going,
you, you need to go. You're despicable. Like,
I love Meredith when she's activated. Oh, God,
it's good. That angle was like, you need to go.
You need to go. I've had enough of you, beast.
I love when they talked about that later. And
Meredith goes, we talked on the phone twice.
We went to dinner one time. We are not friends.
So then we get back into Lisa not being on the
trip. And then we get a confessional from Heather.
And then the women start to get into some of
the accusations and lawsuits. And they're 100
% going to make Lisa Barlow the villain this
season. Yeah, absolutely. i didn't know anything
about these lawsuits actually like i don't follow
her as regularly as i only do because i listened
to the bravo docket about one time so they really
filled me in on it okay i haven't heard that
episode of the bravo docket i do need to go back
and listen to that because like i did write down
at some point like this calls for a less research
mama because i love nothing more than to, like,
go line by line over a lawsuit. Like, I'm applying
to law school. I'm so excited about that. Like,
this is, like, I'm obsessed with this stuff.
But I remember something about, like, they were
suing the tequila brand. Because they have, like,
two or three different offshoots of Vita Tequila,
and it's, like, one of them is, like, Jack Henry
Spirits or something. I know they were in some
kind of litigation. I don't remember what for,
but, like... I think it all has to do with like
loans and things that John took out on behalf
of the company and vice versa. And it just, it's
really technical. If I recall, these are the
same ones. Okay. Do you, do you think that their
entire life is like, and I, I hesitate to ask
this like in this way, but like, do you think
that most of their life is like on loans? Cause
like owning a, owning a liquor company does,
unless it's like skinny girl, you are not making
that much money. Yeah, I'm pretty sure most everyone
on the show is on varying degrees of loans, but
that's, you know, how some people do it. They're
just, they learn to juggle all that back and
forth. I think you're right. I think they are
living on loans because this isn't, you know,
Jose Cuervo. Well, I mean, you know, like, yeah.
to be fair i mean she does have the marketing
company so like i'm not saying that they're like
destitute in their entire life as bankroll by
credit cards like i i don't want it to go off
that way but like i they the way it is shown
on the show they have money like and so i'm like
where i i don't know like i i hope i hope it's
not like the entire the wheels falling off of
the entire operation I don't see that being the
case. I think she's screaming about her money
all the time, too, which is annoying. Like, it's
a whole, like, wealth whispers, you know, situation.
Money talks, wealth whispers, yeah. Yeah. No,
sorry. Sorry. Oh, go ahead. No, I was just going
to say, it's the businesses that are being sued.
It's not her. Fair, okay. She probably has her
Bravo money. whatever money in her name and she
they might have been bankrolling the businesses
a little too tight you know that might be all
maybe yeah yeah maybe her Wendy's money and she
did have a brand deal with Kerastase Thermatique
too yes and her hair is great I will let's if
I have to say three nice things about Lisa Barlow
it would be her hair is great She's a great mom.
She's a great mom. And she's really pretty. Yes.
She's a hard fighter. Very symmetrical face.
Scott, you put into the notes, can this please
be a Lisa Barlow take down season? I mean, it's
going to be, but I do worry that it's somehow
going to like flip it around later and Lisa's
just somehow become the victim of it all. So
I do want it to be just a full on take down season.
I think though, because we're seeing this with
OC, you... it's really a mistake to like for
everyone to pile on one person because the audience
is going to just shift in that direction so if
they were smart when this is playing out they
would you know just like just here and there
fighting not like i don't need the entire cast
to be against her which they won't like i think
you know the entire cast isn't against her because
if you will remember heather defends lisa a little
too hard for now it reminded me of how she defended
jen shaw within an inch of her life i agree and
then the second that and this is i love heather
like i gun to my head heather is one of my top
five favorite housewives across all the cities
this is the one thing i don't love about heather
is like i i was listening to i think it was and
they were talking about how Heather so desperately
wanted to be best friends with Lisa in the first
couple of seasons. And Lisa was so just mean
to Heather and Whitney, like mean, mean. And
they, I think now she's like got the chance and
she's like, I'm not messing this up. Like I'm
going to be friends with Lisa. And like, so I
don't know. I think you're right. I bet that
does make sense. I still don't understand why
they all need desperately to be friends with.
each other at all like well specifically lisa
but even before like with jen everyone needed
to be friends with jen shaw like oh i have to
be her friend so what's so amazing about lisa
barlow you know my theory and like i'll buy this
about lisa too because like in the first couple
of reunions lisa does talk about and she talks
about it on monica garcia's reunion too where
she's the reason that they brought the show to
utah like she had friends in production and casting
and like she's like come here and the the theory
and Emma and I have talked about this the theory
that I have about Jen Shaw is that she was presented
as the person this show is being built around
and like if you if you know she's she's in a
lot of situations she had no business being in
she's in a lot of scenes like I mean she's in
basically all of the scenes in the first season
and the entire thing is built around her so I'll
buy that like they like because you know they
do this with every every housewife city where
like it's it's not housewives to begin with and
then it becomes housewives i'll buy that it was
like a thing about businesswomen and jen shaw
was like the main businesswoman and they were
like oh no this is housewives right right so
i'm karen huger of utah yes yeah where it's yeah
karen huger was the grand dame of what it was
supposed to be like etiquette or something like
that yeah so like i'll buy that We're in the
same situation. But... What else? Oh, and then,
like, Angie... I didn't like this. Let me just
say, I like Angie Kay. As controversial as that
is, I like Angie Kay. That's not controversial,
I don't think. Yeah, how is that controversial?
She's fantastic. Some people are so annoyed by
her. Really? I mean, she is a pillar of the community.
But other than that, I mean, what'd she do wrong?
She has a very long face. you know she's like
four foot nothing we saw her in real life and
i can yeah i don't know yeah she seemed short
yeah yeah um but she did compare lisa's lawsuit
stuff with the jinshaw situation and i did not
no i should she should have gone there i don't
understand like why even bring up jinshaw's name
like i was like how like why are you even like
bringing up jinshaw like these are two separate
incidents two separate people like incidences
that's not important yeah we could find out who
actually punched her and gave her the black eye
the story unravels just like like someone said
in their confessional they were like the state
of utah and the united states of america are
not concerned with lisa barlow like don't even
start Meredith, the attorney, did say that. But
what I will say, the fact that they keep bringing
up Jen and the fact that they're leaving this
all in, they're 100 % bringing her back when
she's released from prison. 100%. And I pray
to God they do. I would disagree with that only
because I don't think anyone's willing to film
with her. I don't think the network necessarily
likes her. And I think you kind of can't get
past, um, uh, elder fraud. Yes. Yeah. Like with
Teresa, like she just screwed herself, but like
Jen Shaw was like taking money from like poor
elderly people who didn't know any better. Karen
Huger had her fourth DUI though. And they picked,
Bravo picked cameras back up to go film her being
released from prison. I think Karen's a more
sympathetic figure than Jen Shaw. i agree i think
a lot of viewers hate her too like hate her and
also karen had like what seven seasons in her
before she went to jail that's fair correct theresa
too yeah maybe Maybe I'm just holding on to like
and Emma will tell you this about me. Like I
hold on to like the image of people that I think
they were and like that I that I loved about
them. Maybe maybe Jen Shaw is just like just
not coming back. And maybe that's fair. Well,
we're notoriously wrong for predicting things
horribly. So, you know, don't let that prediction
stand. I would love to see her because I think
it would be messy and it would be great television.
Do I think it's morally correct? No. fair what
i what i do desperately want do you remember
the episode of mob wives where they were like
all getting together at the round table and i
think it was drita comes in and goes karen stand
up and like just starts running after her to
beat her up that's what i want from jen shaw
and heather where like jen shaw comes in and
she's like so who gave you the black eye heather
would run so fast there's people like friend
friend of but the four million dollar necklace
comes up and i was under the impression and like
maybe i'm an idiot maybe i'm naive i thought
bronwyn owned that necklace it comes up that
she lied about it and what what her her the way
she presents it she didn't mean to lie like uh
it's fine um she didn't mean to lie but the way
it came off was that she was lying and i was
like okay at least she's owning it because like
she i mean she does say like i was gonna buy
another necklace i didn't think the women would
notice like this that and the other and like
i i appreciated that because it felt like she
came clean about i think with sorry i think without
saying it she said i was doing i made a rookie
mistake i did housewives wrong in that respect
my first season and i was trying to like present
something that wasn't true and you know compromised
her integrity like the fact that she said that
i was like oh my gosh someone actually say that
say i lied it was wrong i went against like who
i am just to impress these women and then without
saying it but just to impress the audience and
like you know do housewives and be like this
rich chick and you know i love that she owned
it and you know like just for anyone to admit
they lied is really rare on housewives so i think
between her and whitney i was like whoa i think
i'm returning to you and be like the honesty
on this episode yeah astounding of bronwyn because
i am at like the end of season two right now
so i haven't watched three four or five and i
yeah so she's new to me and i was like oh look
at this woman owning her shit calling herself
immature admitting that she did something for
the cameras okay So in general, you watch this
episode just for us? Yes. Oh, wow. Thank you
so much. I hope we didn't have major spoilers
for this one episode. No. And pretty much it's
all been spoiled for me anyway, because I'm on
Twitter too much. Jeff had to get off Twitter
for the longest time. He's like, why do I keep
going on here? I can't answer my Twitter in public,
so. Shame. probably similar reasons um yeah yeah
uh but yeah like i i guess i don't get as much
housewives twitter anymore which is good because
it was just too toxic so i stick to other stuff
which is makes me more happy right there reddit
is where i get my housewife stuff well that's
that like even then i'm like i need to like avoid
this because it's just not doing me any good
i have my opinions others have their other opinions
i don't need to hear that i'm just gonna get
fired up you know So, yeah. Yeah. We get Brittany
doing her classic ting, ting, ting. This is the
reason I hate her. I'll tell you right now. This
is why I hate her. And she goes, well, Jared
and I got engaged. I don't know if I told you
about this, but Jared Osmond is Donnie and Marie
Osmond's nephew. And apparently in Salt Lake
City. being one of the osmonds is a massive massive
massive deal like god bless he was so excited
to be connected to the osmonds and they got engaged
and then broke up two weeks later and they're
still dating it's so tiresome it is beyond tiresome
and again that's why it has to be her shtick
like she has to be putting this on because there's
no way there's no way anyone's actually like
that right I hope not. I think she's hopelessly
devoted to Jared. Yeah, I think that's real.
I guess one of the few real things about Brittany
is that she is obsessed with this man. And it's
a really toxic relationship. She's not getting
out. She's living her own lifetime movie. That
has to be the fattest fucking dick then. I don't
know why. I mean, I don't know. Something makes
me think otherwise. I just don't see it. I never
really thought about Osman dick, but I have to
say. I thought it was like a financial thing.
Cause again, new to Brittany hated her in this
episode, but from what I've gathered, she doesn't
really have anything going for her. So I thought
it was like a, I need someone who has income
to be living with me type of thing. Maybe. I
don't, I don't know. I love these fresh takes.
Like I assumed Brittany had. well like britney
was in a similar situation to heather after her
divorce where she was just taken care of because
i mean like we get a scene in season five where
we go to her house and she's in a nice nice nice
house so like i just assumed that it was all
from her ex so maybe it is from jared i don't
know but like we i assume jared's probably taking
care of like five other girls too because we
find out that he's running around the lifetime
cafe with other women and i also love that the
same gym i do I also loved Whitney for being
like, um, that's weird because... Yes. And she
was so comfortable doing it too. She was like,
um, Diva, he's in the Lifetime Cafe all the time
and he's not on the machines. He's not. He's
not. I love it. I was shocked she said it like
as if she was saying something so casual, like
where she went to lunch yesterday. She was like,
oh. Your ex -fiancé introduces me to his date.
I was like, what? I think that's how much we
really don't think that Brittany's serious. That
they're just like, whatever. Like every other
woman, they will like kind of be discreet at
times with each other. But with Brittany, nonstop.
They're just like, whatever, you crazy person.
That's insane. I also love that, Scott, you called
out in the notes, you're jealous of the publicity
and the fact that they still sell chicken salad.
Lifetime's chicken salad is so good, actually.
It is incredible. So I bet that it is. So one
of the companies that I work for, we own luxury
health clubs. And so we're always talking about
Lifetime. We're like, oh, Lifetime this, Lifetime
that. Like, oh, is it like Lifetime? And we recently
kind of... pared back our cafe so we no longer
make things like chicken salads and so when they
started going on about it i was like well that's
what's to make lifetime more successful that
chicken salad incredible it's got like a little
lemony to it it's very good oh see i miss i miss
when there is quality food at the gym there i'll
give you that we get to the obligatory we're
gonna do an activity scene Whitney, Heather,
and Bronwyn go kayaking, and then Mary, Angie,
Kay, Meredith, and Brittany go fly fishing. Whitney
forces Bronwyn and Heather into the same kayak,
and I like Whitney because she's not afraid to
get messy. I like it. But at the same time, I
also feel like Bronwyn and Heather could be very,
very good friends. I think they are equally matched
when it comes to intelligence, and I think they
are both so well -spoken, and I think they have
very deep personal trauma and stories that they
can share like to benefit like the world and
i like them better together than i like them
fighting i'll be honest agreed i think i think
last year we were saying that like heather might
have been not threatened but like i think caught
off guard by the fact that bronwyn is similar
to her and is very intelligent and know is very
good because heather's really good in a verbal
back and forth and broadway gave it back to her
so i think she was like oh wait that's my role
what are you doing and so i think that okay off
of her um but yeah like me out of like you know
the religious trauma and you know similar experiences
and you know being smart and witty yeah they
should be a great duo and i i know it was uncomfortable
when they fort like when uh i think when heather
went over to bronwyn's house and they just had
that very awkward awkward encounter and then
being disinvited from the trip and it was just
yeah i didn't like that so i like that they were
forced to hang out and be in that kayak and i'll
give bronwyn the like because i do buy that like
heather likes to be in charge I don't love the
way she presented it where she's like, oh, it
turns out all you have to do is take a back seat
and, like, do whatever. I didn't love that, but,
like, I do think it was fair. Yes. I do think
Heather has a control thing, but also I think
she has confidence issues to the point where
maybe she's concerned that she'll literally be
booted from the show. That's... Okay, that's
fair. And this is me. I mean, obviously there's
a lot of context I'm missing, but from watching
what I've watched of her early on and now watching
this, that's just kind of the vibe I get. I love
Heather so much. And I feel like the person who
doesn't understand how much Heather has to offer
is Heather. Yes. Yes. Yes. We've always been
that. So I read Heather's book. I did too. You
read both of them? No, I've only read the first
one. I read both of them. I forgot about the
second one, but she really talks about like,
yeah, she is very much a, you know, I want to
be liked. I want to be, you know, chosen and,
you know, it comes from her, you know, family
and being in the church and all that. So yeah,
you're right. Like he doesn't know how great
she is. And I think she got a lot of, she got
a lot of attention and she was really kind of
the breakout star and she's really. since season
one become like the narrator of the show and
i think she took it a little bit too far and
then she people like flipped on her the audience
and she wasn't as likeable in certain seasons
three and four so i think she's bounced back
a bit um in five and now in six so far it's only
one episode so i like where she's going because
i did not like heather after the whole monica
stuff i was like nope nope i was fine with the
monica thing i had a hard time in season three
with her where it was i'm ride or die virgin
shaw i'm not talking about this black eye i'm
not like i i struggled a lot with that because
i was like you were so much better than this
like like pull it together yeah and changing
the story so many times and like getting like
potentially getting someone in on production
in trouble by like blaming it like it was just
like it was bad it was bad I can totally see
that. I just got the vibe. Do you remember when
we were at our nine to five, how I just constantly
every day felt like I was going to get fired
no matter how good a job I was doing? The imposter
syndrome thing, yes. That's kind of what I get
from her. I can see some of that, yeah. 100%,
yeah. Now that you say that out loud, 100%, yes.
It's the same thing. And she was a big Housewives
fan, so beyond Housewives, I think she's kind
of like... whoa what am i doing here like i love
it here but like what am i doing okay you know
that's fair yes um meredith so we we get the
the scene and then we get to meredith and she
looks so incredible in her little fishing outfit
with like the the like little toboggan hat and
everything i said oh yeah i saw your note there
and i was like wow and i we rewound it because
i was like let me have a look at this so we paused
it for like a minute and then i was like It's
just a ski outfit. I think, listen to me very
carefully. I think Meredith, like, could wear,
like, a flannel shirt and jeans and look, like,
there's just something about Meredith where,
like, she is, like, she is a canvas that an artist
paints on. I think she looks incredible no matter
what. I'm upset. I worship the ground. She has
had some fairly basic confessional looks. Even
in this episode, one of them was very plain and
she still rocks it. That color on her and her
confessional was so good. Are you kidding? It
reminded me a lot of one of Lisa Barlow's very,
very early confessional looks. And I was like,
oh, you're doing this right. Yeah. This is what
it's supposed to look like. Yes. Yeah. dying
cracking up talking about how long until we catch
a fish no just give me an estimate to the point
where the guy was like there's a reason we call
it fishing and not catching and she was like
okay but like but like how long so you had that
and then you had mary going well you could just
bring the fish back to life with cpr right like
Mary. What was that? I think she was talking
about catch and release, but she didn't know
like how it worked. I don't know. I don't know.
The only thing I could assume either is that
she was like, oh, you can just throw it back
in. It's like, well, not if you've already killed
it. Yeah. Yeah. Like it was like she thought
the fish already died if you had it on a hook
and you had to like resuscitate it to throw it
back. And then the fact that she's like, well,
he's just wrong. she does that with a few things
it was like it's this and then it was like what
was the like if you drink carbonated water it
hurts your ovaries like there are just certain
things that mary mary is the lord and she believes
look look it up that is true don't you dare google
it professional and be like they are so wrong
can you believe they said that can you believe
these fishermen were trying to tell me about
fish You don't know Gusty. You don't know. Gusty.
I love her so much. I also couldn't figure out
his name and just gave up. I loved that. Gusty
could probably tell you about that. After he
said Dusty 16 times. At least you didn't call
him Bussy. Not Bussy. um the women all end up
going out for a campfire and we find out that
angie k was the worst food planner on god's green
earth and mary doesn't eat campfire food apparently
because like she doesn't like steward things
and there were no hot dog buns or ketchup or
anything and it was like every question they
asked angie k her eyes just got bigger and bigger
and bigger and she was like oh You'd think Camping
World or Camper's World would have loaded that
thing up with food for them. You would think.
You would think production would have gone to,
like, Meijer or, like, I don't know. I don't
know what their stores are out there. But, like,
you would think that they went to Kroger with
them and say, hey, like, Angie, maybe pick up
some hot dog buns or something. They're like,
no, let's let this play out. Yeah, let's actually
make Angie go to the grocery store. Like, what
do they even need? sliced bread for? That's my
question. Where did the bagels come into play?
It's all so confusing. Maybe the bagels were
like for the morning and Mary's like, I would
have eaten the bagel. I love bread. So I would
have been like, I'll have a snack and bagel.
These women don't eat bread. mary did that's
fair but they were also eating the hot dogs like
right off of the metal thing because they didn't
have any buns did they not have ketchup like
i was so no they didn't have ketchup and you
said that she said oops just eat your hot dog
and be happy she said you're all so entitled
to food yeah Scott, you put a note in here about
Heather and the campfire lore. I googled this
by sorts and was a real person. Yeah, but still,
I just don't need Heather Gay doing another like,
did you know this Mormonism folklore tale? And
it just, of course, if anyone was going to do
it, it was going to be Heather Gay. Just being
like, just so performative and just so like Mormon
trivia. I'm like, okay. I love that Abram was
like, yep, I know. And I'm like, see, you guys
are so aligned. I would have loved a ghost story
that didn't have to be Mormon. You know what
I mean? Like have a little campfire story. That's
not religious. I don't know. I would argue. Oh,
it just, yeah. That's gross story about shaming
women. Yeah. It's like, if you like are like
out there and kissing boys or whatever, she's
going to come and take you away. What about the
men? What about the men who were, like, kissing
you? I will tell you, that is, I didn't see it
through that lens, but, like, my religious trauma
probably doesn't allow me to, so. Also, it seemed
like one stop away from, like, you know, a truck
stop hooker story is what it sounded like. A
truck stop hooker? I don't know. It just seemed
like that was the whole insinuation behind it,
which I just didn't enjoy. Yeah, it was weird.
It was a weird. A truck stop hooker? Not true
crime. But it was. No. There was a folklore.
He just said that she's a real, real person.
Yeah. Molly Sorensen was absolutely a real person.
I Googled it. Like Lizzie Borden. Lizzie Borden
who like killed her parents. Took a wax, took
30 wax, that whole. Weird. No, we're family ones.
Okay. You need to dive into that, Travis. Mama,
let's research Lizzie Borden, I guess. Yeah,
she was a real person, but now they're saying
she haunts the ravine. Oh, okay. Yeah, she lives
in a school bus. I didn't know anything about
Lizzie Borden. Now we know. It's okay. It's not
that great. I do love... random creepy situation
so the like huddling up and like okay guys let's
go down these train tracks like i i don't know
i thought that was kind of funny if you like
it i love it the entire time i was doing that
i was like i don't need the kitschy blair witch
found footage thing i didn't need it but if you
like it i love it i thought it was great use
of those camcorders they didn't need yeah right
if we're gonna have them at least use them for
something good production thank god yeah yeah
um everyone kind of gangs up on baby gorgeous
at the campfire again and um we get like five
seconds of that and then britney goes whitney
i was really offended by what you said that i
do for money and i was like shut up this is not
for you you've had enough time in this episode
Well, and so are the other women. They were all
very much like, we don't need this is not the
time for this, Brittany. Yeah, it's like Whitney
is like having a real moment and being honest
and saying, my business failed. I lost a shit
ton of money. You know, I feel horrible about
it. I had to fire people. And, you know, it doesn't
again, doesn't happen on Housewives, like just
that honesty. And in the middle of all this,
Brittany is like, well, yeah, but back to me.
But this isn't the first time she's done that.
She did that in Puerto Vallarta. Was it Puerto
Vallarta? Yeah, Puerto Vallarta. When they were
down there and she was like, you guys, what about
me? I feel so left out. Shut up. I think I sent
that to you, Emma, where that scene where Brittany
was like, you guys, you're not supporting me.
I had some really great news about my daughter.
Shut up. Right. And then at the Audrey Hepburn
party, she's like, you guys, like she stood up
and was like, what? That's where, yes, that's
where it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brittany. And
the problem that I have with Brittany, I'm glad,
sorry. I just, I couldn't believe her timing
because I understand the conversation they were
talking about where Brittany said, you suck dick
for money. And then Brittany said. you started
an mlm i get that she's like conflating that
but for her to see this woman crying about her
husband being fully invested and having to fire
30 people and then being like well i would still
like an apology it's comedically bad is what
it is like the timing is so comedically bad come
on and then We do get into, and this is, I really
appreciate this about Whitney because something
I will give Whitney, she, the healing journey
I could have done without, but, like, she's very,
very honest and real about, like, everything
she goes through. And I don't think we're getting
an act with Whitney. I think it's all real, and
I do appreciate that. Yeah, no, I agree with
that. I agree, yes. I like her, like, in general.
I think she has no filter, and I think she's
just, like, saying what's on the top of her mind.
Wait until season three or four and tell me how
much you like her. When it's all about the healing
journey, like, it's a little... Like, when it
revolves around, like, I'm... unpacking all the
trauma like i i won't take that away from her
because i think that's very real when she makes
every situation about that that's what i struggled
with yeah she definitely went a little overboard
with it and just kept on like when she tried
to conflate whether she was drunk or not you
know being used in heather's book that was kind
of like what are you talking about like you're
just trying to have a story yeah fake outrage
outrage but yeah But Whitney came back for me.
She came back for me last season, and I'll take
it. What else? Did you like her red hair? No.
I love her as a blonde. I do love her as a blonde
more, for sure. She's gorgeous and can do whatever,
but the blonde suits her better. I've said on
our podcast probably 50 ,000 times that her face
should be plastered everywhere. Her face should
be studied. Stunning. She is beautiful and her
skin is always like glass. Love her. She has
made some. I met her at an event, at a drag event
once. She was fantastic. Really? Was she really?
She looked that perfect in person. oh yeah it's
just it's it was just like off -putting how pretty
she was i was yeah and this is one thing i also
believe about whitney is you know how a lot of
like women you and i have known people like this
before where like they collect gay people as
friends and it's like i have gay friends i wholeheartedly
believe whitney is like no no i'm i'm an ally
to the community and i really do love gay men
i that's something i really appreciate about
I think so. It's not like, oh, I have to have
a gay. It's like, no, these are actually real
people. And they are my friends and not my accessories.
Yes. Yes. But they might also be my glam. Okay.
Maybe. But like, I would love to be Whitney's
glam. I'll tell you that right now. I would love
to be Meredith's glam. I'll tell you that right
now. And maybe even maybe Gorgeous's glam. Well,
that'd be a full -time job for sure. Oh, 100%.
Because $60 ,000 a year on glam. Yes. Just on
glam. Just on glam. She doesn't go anywhere without
it. I have glam in Saint -Tropez. I have glam
everywhere. God, I love her so much. I have a
cup somewhere that says that. I got something
from Bravo that was like, I have glam everywhere
I go. Anyway, I did appreciate Whitney being
vulnerable. I also appreciated her pushing Brittany
away, saying, I'm not ready for a hug right now.
And then you guys put in a note saying, what
did Meredith do this episode besides come for
Brittany? Yeah. What did Meredith really do?
Like, she's very non -present in this episode.
I don't need her to do anything besides come
for Brittany. But it was like that one moment
coming for Brittany and that was really about
it. She's going to get along with everybody for
the most part. And she defended Lisa, you know.
by saying, every business takes time alone. It
makes me wonder if she's going to have anything
major storyline -wise this season, or if she's
going to be kind of another participant. I'm
sure she will. I would hope she does. I was going
to say I'm sure she will. I hope she does, because
last year was kind of a similar thing where she
didn't have a lot going on, right? got her bar
mitzvah and now she has all the dj money rolling
in so you know i hope that they talk about her
being a dj well they have to they absolutely
have they should have given her a set out in
the woods that would have been a great premiere
they should have let her have the like do the
new like theme music because you know um who
is it it's not in my miami that's um oh adriana
adriana yeah that's that's her singing like that's
her miami song do you actually think that meredith
marks is mixing anything because i don't care
she has someone doing that for her and she is
going up there and pressing play and shaking
her little titties and i love it and i'll watch
every video that i can find it's a lot of jumping
and i'm like good on her that's you know, good
exercise. She's got cardio on her. Yeah, her
two turntables and a microphone. Do you think
she's actually listening to anything in the headphones?
Probably exactly what's coming out of the speaker.
It's just a lot lower volume. I love it. It's
like, this is a little too loud. Brooks, can
you turn it down? Noise cancelling and she has
it playing really soft. Actually, Enya in the
headphones. Not Enya. She's sailing away. Sail
away, sail away. Oh, Lord. So the women end up
going on. Meredith doesn't have to do anything
this season. She just needs to be Meredith. I
got you. I'm with you. That's all I need her
to be. And here's the oddest to God's truth.
That's all I need any of the women to be is themselves.
Like, they are all fairly entertaining. And even
Brittany, like. If she just sits there and is
pretty, like, I can handle that, too. Because
I think she's one of the most beautiful men in
the world. That's what I hate about her. Because
I'm just like, ugh. Like, I wish I didn't like
this about you. Because I don't want to like
anything about you. But. I did just remember
one more Meredith moment this episode. And it
was so funny. Because she literally almost said
nothing the whole episode. But she did find a
way to plug her caviar. She said, I know nothing
about fish except for that's where I get my caviar.
Guys. I forgot about that. Yes. And I wish I
liked fish because, like, I wish I could eat
Meredith's caviar. Like, I wish I ate fish. Oh,
you can still have caviar. It doesn't taste like
fish. It tastes like nothing. Yeah. Oh, perfect.
I will never hire caviar. No. It tastes like
butter, kind of. Oh, perfect. I haven't had caviar
in a very long time, but yeah, that seems to
be what I recall. Butter. Yeah. Gorgeous. We
support Melissa Gorga and all her cookie endeavors,
but we haven't gotten Meredith's caviar yet.
Are Melissa's cookies good? Yeah. Yes. The cake
is, I love the cake. The coffee cake, it's very
good. We've had two so far. The cookies are,
you know, what you'd expect, kind of, but they're
very, we keep saying it, moist. They're very
moist cookies. Do you not like the word moist?
Well, no, but. I feel like the internet doesn't.
Yeah, we avoided it. Hi, internet. The word moist
is bestie approved. I hope you're okay with that.
But yeah, the coffee cake's delicious. Yes. Beautiful.
Have you bought any of the Housewives merch?
Do you have a? anything that emma will tell you
that i single -handedly like am the sole supporter
of the skinny girl brands in the state of indiana
oh yeah i forgot about skinny girl i was about
to be like no not really except for like 60 bottles
of skinny girl that's true that's really like
that's all i've really bought i i bought some
what did i buy from countess louis oh i I stream
her songs on Apple Music because I am trash.
Because money can't buy you class. We have three
sets of Portia's sheets. Try saying that three
times. I didn't know Portia had sheets. Pampered
by Portia. They're really good sheets. They're
amazing. I'll Google that right now. Pampered
by Portia? Yeah. The only other thing we thought,
I thought of getting Jeff like a three -wick
candle for Christmas, but they were, they were
really expensive. I'm like, 80 bucks for a joke
is not funny to me. Is it from Karen or from
Wendy? I wanted to get one of each just to make
the joke go. So we could burn them both and be
like. Seppos are still on the market. Cause I
was looking into that actually. Yeah. And I don't
know that they still sell them. I don't know
that they were ever on the market. I think that
was a storyline. Yes. You could be right. Oh,
and these things are not that expensive. No,
they're not. They're a good price. Oh, and I
can buy them on Amazon, which means my papaw's
going to pay for it because my Amazon is charged
his credit cards. Anyway. What a day. what is
it your papa yeah my papa my grandpa yeah okay
oh that's cute it's it's really cute it's from
kentucky anyway sorry like sorry to do the women
go on a ghost hunt bronwyn was wearing a gucci
beanie and the logo looks like the nasty pig
logo i didn't see it until you wrote it in the
notes and then i was like oh i see it Because
I saw it earlier and thought, that's a really
weird logo. But then when you see it kind of
in the grainy video, I was totally like, oh,
100 % see what he sees. I feel like Bronwyn would
support Nasty Pig, so I think that's okay. 1000%,
she'd be like, oh yeah, it's art. And then they
go on their found footage ghost hunt. I think
Meredith falls or something. I hope she's okay.
I'll kill myself if she's not. um and then we
get a sneak peek at the rest of the season um
i get so like i didn't i guess i didn't clock
it but whitney at one point said that they go
on three trips this year so they go to greece
they went on the rv trip and then there's like
a below deck crossover for down under so at this
point they go to australia and i'm so excited
i'm also what i will say I never need to hear
another word about Angie Katzenavis being Greek,
but, like, I'm so excited that she gets to go
to Greece. Like, I love that for her. Like, if
they didn't, I'd be like, girl, like, you missed
opportunity. Like, you talk so much about it.
Like, that is the girl's trip. I'm so glad they're
doing that. And Greece is beautiful, so. Right.
And then on the other side of, like, me being
super excited about, like, everything that's
to come, it does. See, like, it does look like
we get a little bit more about Robert Jr.'s journey.
This is in light of, like, he literally just
got arrested last week. So, like, that's wild.
But, like, I want him to be okay, number one.
But, like, I'm so excited for this season. Like,
my show is back. I'm so happy. All right. Like,
there's Salt Lake. they all perform well like
there's never a filler episode it's just like
really good intense camp and drama and fun and
the right balance of it all yeah it's not like
it's not getting dark like the other shows are
getting where it's you know being accused of
drugging each other things like that yeah right
just sucking dick for utah jazz tickets but yeah
um oh and then i didn't realize jeff wrote this
in here but like he you wrote that like this
is similar to lisa's basis party where it's all
like contained and it's like a capsule episode
so i i agree i think so smart of like let's put
them all together because usually like the first
episode of a season is like let's see what everyone's
doing been doing since we last saw them and i'm
like i don't need that let's all be together
on a cash trip and chaos will ensue and that's
the entire episode I think they originated that.
I haven't seen every single first season episode
of every show, but I think that's pretty smart
and Salt Lake. 100%. So based on this episode
and this episode alone, if you had to be friends
with any of the women from Salt Lake City, who
would it be? One person or? Just any of the women
or if you had to pick multiple, that's fine too.
I'd say Bronwyn. I'd say Bronwyn. Yeah. Or Angie.
Bronwyn or Angie. Those are like my top two.
I'd say Bronwyn probably followed by Whitney.
I like Whitney too. So part of you wants to say
Mary, right? You're like, oh, I'd hang out with
Mary. But you would be so goddamn confused the
entire time you're hanging out with her. You'd
be like, wait. Emma does not want to say Mary.
I don't get her. Yeah, I don't, especially in
season two, I don't either. It's off the rails.
In season one, she left a bad taste in my mouth,
and now I'm, like, through season two, basically.
I'm, like, almost to the reunion, and I'm like,
wow, we just don't click. I don't know. Something
really changes with her when she decides to actually
participate on the show. Like, I don't know what
they explained to her, how much of a raise they
gave her. But once she starts really actually
being present, she's amazing. But those years
where she's just like, would rather be doing
anything else. It was awful to watch. It's awkward.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to give you my answer in
a second. But like, if you like, if you look
back and Emma, like, do you? do you remember
a couple of the episodes where mary's in her
kitchen and then robert jr comes home after being
gone for like two days and she's like where were
you like why didn't you answer your phone i promise
in season four that is was it season four or
five that is going to make sense and i think
that'll put into context why she was not present
oh yeah i never even really thought about that
because i was i was about to say being a good
mom Controversial hot take here. Being a good
mom is not enough to make me like you on reality
television. There are lots of good mothers out
there. I get where you struggle with Mary 100%.
There's something about her that I really like.
I can't quite put my finger. I think she's just
out of her mind. I think that's what I like about
her. Emma, who would you want to be friends with?
Probably Heather or Meredith. They were pretty
quiet, but Meredith really had me on the floor.
It was clearly her first time fishing. That was...
Absolutely was. I need an ETA on this fish catching.
Where are the fish? For me, I think it would
be... God, gun to my head. i think angie i think
based on this episode alone i think angie really
i think like angie like she's just she's fun
she's like she's she doesn't take herself too
seriously even though she's a pillar in the community
yeah she's willing to get messy and you know
and but she'll own up to it too yes or just downright
gaslight you one way or the other but no in between
she's just all the things yes beautiful well
you guys this i think this is a really cool crossover
experience i think we had an absolute time i
had a good time i definitely had a good time
yeah absolutely i feel a little out of it just
because i've been home all day getting ready
to go camping tomorrow so like i've just been
kind of in and out but yeah no i had a really
fun time yeah like i think i love talking about
housewives but i think i'd love to do another
one where we're just like talk about random stuff
like just you know what's been going on because
like that's what you normally do on your show
just like let's have a go let's catch up and
i'm like yeah i like to do that too i love that
this is also burning down right this is also
such a long episode for you guys too because
like you guys is like usually clock at like 35
minutes at the most and i'm like i looked down
and i was like an hour and 15 minutes oh but
it's good like i think you know we are coming
straight from the episode and we're like also
sometimes a little bit tired and it's also a
little hot up here so like yeah yeah then that
happened okay good night till next time so i
think i like that you took the notes and like
walked us through it and the entire episode i'm
like oh yeah that point oh yeah oh yeah maybe
i've said that i love that yeah and like i did
warn you guys like i take notes like an insane
person. And I hope it lived up to what I was
going to be. I've tried taking notes before and
it just ends up being a little keywords. And
later on, I'm like, what the hell was I talking
about? So like, no, you're I appreciate you doing
that. That was great. Of course. Emma, do you
just rely on him or do you take your own notes?
If I added to this, I think we might go insane.
This is a note for like a regular episode. i'm
along for the ride i just i've decided that if
i put notes in there it would be far too long
and i'm funnier in the moment i what i will say
and this is why emma has always been such an
incredible like partner like walking through
my life with me and co -host like with me she
is She's so, so, so, so good at just letting
me be as absolutely out of my mind as I know
I am. As I clearly am. Like, I'm not going to
say for one second that I'm not, like, chaos.
But she does a very good job of, A, controlling
that chaos. Like, she knows when to rein me in.
And she's also so great about just being like,
yeah, we'll see where the vibe goes. Like, we'll
see what happens. Like, she's so good at that.
And it's good to have an outline. I love an outline.
That's kind of what I treat it as. Well, we tend
to rely on the pictures behind us. So we go through
and like, we just make sure we touch upon each
of the housewives. And so sometimes we're like,
we talk about her yet. And then. Yeah. Jogging
memory. Yeah. So we actually screw ourselves
and we're missing a set of pictures. We're like,
Oh, who do we forget? No. I love that. Okay.
Jeff and Scott, tell us where we can find you.
Tell the listeners, tell everyone. Oh, we're
just so happy. We actually have our own website
now. So husbandswatchinghousewives .com will
give you all the stuff there. And then husbandswatching
on TikTok and some form of that everywhere else.
And Instagram. Instagram. All the places, yes.
Spotify, wherever you... YouTube. Wherever you
get your podcasts. I'm very happy with our search
engine results. I Google myself when I'm bored
at work now. I'm like, oh, the husbands are places.
I love that. It's nice. I also want to make sure
that people don't confuse us with other, you
know, husbands watching other things because
it could get dirty if it gets to the wrong site.
Yeah. I think I've got a few of those bookmarks.
What are they watching? No, we're watching The
Real Housewives. That's what we do. Yeah. I love
it. Well, thank you so much for being here with
us. And thank you for having such a fun time
with us. Like, this has been so cool. This is
fantastic. I hope we can do it again so we can
get into some more some more deep seated opinions
and maybe some disagreements on where we get
with different housewives. Whatever you want,
because we're very similar in our beliefs. And
so it's fun to hear like others like, OK, that's
a valid point why you don't like her. So, yeah.
well i've got a ton of those don't you worry
let this season of potomac start and i'll have
opinions for everyone i will too trust you me
so there's an open door for you to come on for
the season premiere potomac what is it october
6th i think whatever you want do that because
Just like those other podcasts are on Teresa's
payroll. And there were rumors that Robin Dixon
was paying off podcasts too. If Giselle started
paying me, I would have no shame. She doesn't
have to pay me. She doesn't have to pay me. Dear
Giselle, don't you worry. You are bestie approved.
but yeah thank you guys so much for being here
we loved it do you guys have anything else you
want to plug before you go no not at all thank
you for having thanks for having us and yeah
listen to it whenever wherever you get your podcast
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