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My name's Travis. And I'm Emma. And this is Bestie

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Approved. What's the last song you listened to?

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It was Video Games by Lana Del Rey. Love that.

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A classic. It is a classic. Mine was Maybe You're

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the Problem by Ava Max. Who we love. I love Ava

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Max. Yeah. Do you know for the longest time I

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thought she was from like Sweden or like a Nordic

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country or something, but it turns out she's

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from like Ohio or something. Interesting. I would

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have guessed Florida. In my mind's eye, you were

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going to say Florida. Oh, I can see Florida.

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No, but like, I don't know why I thought she

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was from like. Are you looking it up? Yeah, I

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don't know. Well, her parents. Hmm. She's from

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Milwaukee. Milwaukee. Which is crazy. Yeah. How

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do you become Ava Max in Wisconsin? Well, how

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do you become Trixie Mattel in Wisconsin? I really

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don't know. That's a fair question. Anyways.

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Anyway, so today, Emma and I did our daily FaceTime.

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Emma, I want from your perspective, I want you

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to tell the world how I just woke up full of

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venom and anger and haste. And I, you know, OK,

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the other thing is I wake up at 6 a .m. and I

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immediately am a mother all morning long. And

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so I don't really have an outlet for my anger

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or haste. And so I drop Jack off, all is well

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and good. And I decide to go get a bagel while

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I wait for the CVS pharmacy to open because I,

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whatever. Worst bagel I've ever had in my life.

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And I get back in my car and I go, ugh. And then

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I go get my stuff from CVS. And then I come home

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and I'm like, wow, I wish we had a punching bag.

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Like, I just am full. I just, you know, you wake

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up on the wrong side of the bed. There's your

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audio. There it is. Oh, good. I guess I'll just

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fucking kill myself. I didn't mean to cut you

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off. I'm sorry. But like Emma's audio, like where

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we record looked so quiet. And then the second

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she moved her mic, it was like, oh, it's normal.

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It usually sounds better if I hold it like down

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there, but not today. Today is just not my day.

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I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

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I like can feel that I have a little cut or something

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on my tongue that's pissing me off. That's actually

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the worst, to be fair. I'm just in a bad fucking

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mood. That's it. That's all. So let me tell you

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how I experienced it this morning. Yeah. So I

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FaceTime her and it was probably like. nine o

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'clock in the morning and i was like oh she's

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probably like taking jack to school or something

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like i was doing laundry which is like yeah i

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was like putting stuff away my hands were full

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she didn't answer and that's fine so then i was

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playing with boomer and then i hear my phone

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go off and i was like oh emma's facetiming me

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back and i was like it's gonna be the best day

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ever i'm gonna talk to my best friend Today,

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I have no sunshine in my pocket. I got a pocket

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full of rain clouds. Not sunshine. I open up

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FaceTime. And I was like, hi. And she goes, what's

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up? Oh, yeah. That's not surprising to me. And

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I was like, I just wanted to check on you. She

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goes, yeah, what's up? Oh, I don't even remember

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saying that. And then I had goldfish pretzels

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that I was eating and I knew the instant that

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I put one in my mouth that it was a mistake.

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And Emma was going on about like, oh, yeah, like

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I woke up in a bad mood. I was like, oh, we all

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have those days. It's not a big deal. And then

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I like crunched on one of the goldfish pretzels

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because that actually made it worse. I can't.

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I am in such a bad mood. I also have the most

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annoying dog on planet Earth. I love him to death,

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but he's a little tiny little rat. And all he

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does all day is follow me around and lick his

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lips. And so I have just had a time today. Yeah,

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you've had a rough day. I also. I asked Kenny

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yesterday when he got a haircut to ask the people

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at the salon where he gets his haircut if they

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can cut my hair because they do men and women

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there. And I wanted him to ask because it's like

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an Asian salon. Like, oh, cool. The owners are

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Korean, whatever, whatever. And I was like, show

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them a picture of my hair because it's like curly.

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It's just like wavy and thick. You do a lot of

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hair. Ask them if they can cut my hair. Because

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the lady I normally go to is perpetually booked

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out like three months. And I, once I decide I

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need a haircut, cannot wait three months. This

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is the one that Sky Lee sent you to? Yeah. And

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like if I were as on top of my life as Sky Lee

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is, she would be perfect. Like she does a great

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job on my hair. Once you decide you need an appointment,

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you have to wait three months and I just can't

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do it. That is insane. So Kenny asked last night

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and the lady said, yeah, for sure. Just send

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her my number and we'll like schedule her or

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whatever. He never sent me her number. So I texted

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him this morning and I said, are you going to

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send me Kat's number? Are you uncomfortable with

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me going there? I just feel so full of rage.

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You have said, I will take every man in my life

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and make him the victim. Suffer everybody but

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Jack. Because I do think it's funny when I'm

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in this type of mood and Kenny and Jack are both

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home. I'll like be talking to Jack and be like,

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yeah, how do you feel about that? What do you

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want to eat for dinner? How's your day? And then

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I'll turn around to Kenny and go. So. Yeah. I

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love that. This is where I am. It is where you're

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at. Anyway. I took my first trip ever to a Dollar

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General. Have we talked about this? Yeah. So

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I went to the Dollar General. There's a Dollar

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General in my town and like. the dollar general

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like their business model is problematic to begin

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with because what they do is create food deserts

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like that is actually a thing that they do but

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like i didn't want to drive all the way to east

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washington street because all i wanted was a

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box of raisinets right it doesn't dollar tree

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do the same thing where they like just pop up

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all over the anyway but at least dollar tree

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is honest about their pricing yeah that's true

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so whatever but dollar general i was like let

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me go in here and um let me get a box of raisinets

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because like anytime I'm having a really good

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hankering for Raisinets. And I know I'm like

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I'm a person that's nine million years old. I

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love Raisinets. I won't be attacked for it. I'm

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sorry. I love Raisinets. Oh, you know what I

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do? This is so sick and twisted. You know how

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I do this, too, where when you go to the movies,

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you put M &Ms in your popcorn and they get a

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little like melty and delicious. I've done that

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with Raisinets. Oh, that's magical. It's. So

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messy and so delicious. It's not for anyone to

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judge, though. It's dark in there. No one has

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to see the chocolate between you and God. Yeah.

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Anyway, really delicious. Highly recommend. So

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I went to the Dollar General and let me let me

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tell you about the Dollar General in my town.

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So I go in. And the place is a pole barn and

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literally in the middle of a field. They like

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mowed down part of a cornfield to put in this

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Dollar General. And this Dollar General went

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up in 14 minutes. Like there's no way they spent

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any time designing this place. Right. I go in.

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There's one person working there. I find the

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candy aisle. I go by the Raisinets. I was so

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excited. The person working there is gone. I

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don't know where the person is. very common dollar

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general experience because there's literally

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one person in that entire store right so if they

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have to do anything that is not at the cash register

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you gotta wait right yeah which is so funny because

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why do they put in like five cash registers why

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even put them there oh they don't they put in

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one cash register seven self -checkouts that

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you cannot use they they they're turned off it's

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been upwards of like eight years since i've been

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to a dollar general so they did not have a self

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-checkout but they did have like five checkout

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lanes and i was like why there's one person here

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anyway yeah so i go up there to check out right

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i um i was like oh the person's gone oh wait

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a minute and You know how like some places have

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like a bell or something like where you can like

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ring it or like a doorbell, whatever. It's like

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signal. I won't do it. Do you want to know what

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this fucking dollar general had? You screaming.

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Hello. What? A cowbell. Not a cowbell. There's

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no chance. I'm ringing a cowbell. I gunned to

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my head. I was like, this can't be real. You

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must want me to steal because I'm not doing that.

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I said, I'm just going to sit here. I'm going

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to sit here for the next however long it takes.

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And if I if it's too long, that's just the decider

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on whether or not the raisinets were that important

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to me. I guess. Take care of Zanette's sister.

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It's on them. There's no one up there. Higher

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security. I don't know. Oh, it's even worse.

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They have signs of people that were caught stealing

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from this place. Like, it's like they print out

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from their security cameras. They used to do

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that at the Circle K on Michigan. They still

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do it at the Circle K on Post Road, too. It's

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so insane. And I get it. Like, it's a small.

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It's not a small business, but it's a business

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in a small town. So you're going to shame the

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people. Whatever. Sure. But like, I just imagine

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the scene that is like seeing someone walk into

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your store and then like pointing at their picture.

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Do you really have the balls to do that? Or are

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you just going to check them out? Or like. i

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don't i don't know it's as someone who has worked

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in retail there's a zero percent chance i'm walking

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up to someone and being like you're banned there's

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a sign like i'm not doing that it's not happening

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so i pick up my stuff i go and then like i get

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home my sister -in -law is at my house i was

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like hey I just had the most horrific experience

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at Dollar General. And then she goes, oh, Dollar

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Tree is much better. You should check out Dollar

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Tree. I don't know that I've ever been to a Dollar

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Tree. I have. What I will say, I believe the

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quality of goods is better at a Dollar General.

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That might be a hot take. I don't know. But Dollar

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Tree is much more. Well staffed. You're going

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to have a better experience there. It doesn't

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feel like you're fighting for your life. For

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some reason, in a Dollar General, it feels like

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someone's mad at you for being there. A Dollar

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Tree does not feel that way. Yeah. Well, listener,

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if you have any opinions about Dollar General

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versus Dollar Tree, let us know. Also, why are

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they still called dollar stores when everything

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is like three bucks? I don't get that. I don't

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know. I did pay $1 .25 for each box of Raisinets.

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I bought five of them. It was five for $5. So

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it was $1 .25 or five for $5. So. Okay. Made

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out like a bandit there. But that's like, sure.

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But you used to be able to go to a Dollar Tree

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and get like a bottle of hairspray for $1. Or

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like. a notebook for one dollar i don't i don't

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know what happened to that if i'm being honest

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like so this is the thing i i've never been a

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dollar store shopper but i've never been like

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a frequenter of dollar stores but i remember

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that yeah and like i remember when this was like

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a thing on the news where like it went from a

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dollar to a dollar 25 and people were like protesting

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and i was like I guess then don't call it a Dollar

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Tree. I don't know. Well, that's what I'm saying.

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Like, you would think they would have rebranded.

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But I don't know. What are they going to rebrand

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to? Like the cheap garbage store? Because like,

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I mean, just based on. I don't know. Maybe. But

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like based on. Based on the experience of the

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Dollar General, if the Dollar Tree has the same

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quality of items or lesser, because I cannot

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imagine it's. It gets worse. I mean, yeah, I

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don't know. It's been years since I've been to

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either one of them, to be fair. It's probably

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been like five years since I've been to a Dollar

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Tree. And like I said, like eight years since

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I've been to a Dollar General. But that has been

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my experience. I don't know. Well, now we know.

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And that's checked off my list, my little bucket

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list. I have a question for you, Emma. Would

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you pay for a ticket to go to a wedding? If they

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don't want a gift. Yeah. Really? Yeah, because

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like when I go to a wedding, odds are what you're

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getting from me is three hundred dollars. That's

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pretty much what I've given every single wedding

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that I've gone to. That has been my gift. Three

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hundred dollars cash. And so if you. want to

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forego your wedding present for me to pay in

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advance for my ticket to your wedding, then fine.

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Unless I don't want to go to your wedding, here's

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the thing. You need to be open to hearing that

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people don't give a shit about your wedding if

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you're going to start asking them to buy their

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tickets. Sure, okay. OK, so, yeah, depends who

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it is. If I really want to go to their wedding,

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then yes, but they're not getting a gift. And

00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:29.639
if I don't want to go to their wedding, then

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they're going to have to hear about it. Fair.

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I do. I don't know. This is the thing I'm conflicted

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about, because. Like, so this is all like this

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all comes from an article in People about these.

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They call them they fancy themselves entrepreneurs,

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Marley Jackson, Steve Larson, who. As a case

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like this, the way this article is written is

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very I don't I don't love the way this article

00:16:00.350 --> 00:16:04.060
is written, but it's like, OK, so the. entrepreneurs

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Marley Jacks and Steve Larson sold tickets to

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their wedding weekend in Idaho as a case study,

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a proof of concept that weddings could be funded,

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not financed. Guests could buy a basic $57 ticket

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for admission to the wedding day or a three day

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experience for two tickets valued at $997 that

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allowed access to the wedding day. Plus the pre

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and post wedding events. You have to be so conceited.

00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:31.860
That's what I'm saying. Like, okay. If you were

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like a celebrity, I think it would be a cool

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concept. Oh, if this was... I can't stand her,

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but someone I can see doing this and being very

00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:46.480
successful, that's Larsa Pippen. 100 % Larsa

00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:48.730
Pippen could do this and get away with it. I

00:16:48.730 --> 00:16:51.610
have Jason Derulo on my mind because he's coming

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to my city very randomly for a golf tournament.

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Yeah. If Jason Derulo or Larsa Pippen or someone

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like that wanted to be like, hey, anyone can

00:17:04.509 --> 00:17:06.750
come to my wedding, but you have to buy tickets

00:17:06.750 --> 00:17:08.769
to it. I can see that being cool. Absolutely.

00:17:08.789 --> 00:17:11.970
That would be sick. But not these random people.

00:17:11.990 --> 00:17:16.940
I don't know who these people are. But. And the

00:17:16.940 --> 00:17:20.119
fact that you're like, OK, so here's a $60 ticket

00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:23.640
to just to show up to the wedding. There's a

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$1 ,000 ticket to have the privilege of coming

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to all the pre and post wedding events in Idaho

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of all places. Like what? Like, did they? How

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do they even present this? Like, I don't know.

00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:44.069
How do you even? Do you just call all your friends

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and you want to be and be like, do you want to

00:17:46.509 --> 00:17:48.210
come to my wedding? And I say, yeah. And they

00:17:48.210 --> 00:17:50.630
go, OK, great. That'll be a thousand dollars.

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What I'll bet you happened is that they made

00:17:54.549 --> 00:17:56.750
an Instagram or TikTok or something and sent

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it out to everyone that they were going to invite.

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But here's the thing. Apparently, the couple

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broke even on it and then had money left over.

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So they donated one hundred and thirty two thousand

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dollars to Village Impact from the proceeds from

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this. I have to tell you right now, if I received

00:18:11.509 --> 00:18:16.269
a thing saying. You can you can come to our wedding,

00:18:16.329 --> 00:18:18.529
but you have to pay for a ticket. I'm not going.

00:18:18.710 --> 00:18:21.130
I will not be going because like this is the

00:18:21.130 --> 00:18:24.490
whole song and dance of it is you show up to

00:18:24.490 --> 00:18:26.269
a wedding and like you're there to celebrate

00:18:26.269 --> 00:18:28.670
the couple. I don't want to feel obligated to

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be there. I don't like that. Yeah, I do see that

00:18:33.069 --> 00:18:37.109
there has been so like discourse I've seen online

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is that. When you're buying someone a wedding

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gift, you should try to like, and I don't know

00:18:45.859 --> 00:18:48.240
that I agree with this. You should try to like

00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:53.119
keep in mind how much they paid like per person

00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:57.700
in the wedding. No, I'm sorry. Well, I feel like

00:18:57.700 --> 00:18:59.960
if you want to celebrate their matrimony and

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do the thing, then I don't see a problem with

00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:07.309
that. But I don't think that. People should only

00:19:07.309 --> 00:19:09.250
be invited to your wedding if they have money.

00:19:09.390 --> 00:19:12.269
Now, the problem I have with that is and like,

00:19:12.309 --> 00:19:14.069
you know how I feel about this, where it's like

00:19:14.069 --> 00:19:16.190
this whole idea of like keeping count. Like it's

00:19:16.190 --> 00:19:18.970
like, oh, you spent X. You spent, let's just

00:19:18.970 --> 00:19:21.250
say, seventy five dollars a plate for food or

00:19:21.250 --> 00:19:22.950
whatever. So I have to spend at least seventy

00:19:22.950 --> 00:19:27.750
five dollars for your wedding. No, I don't think

00:19:27.750 --> 00:19:31.500
that's. I think the sentiment is I want you to

00:19:31.500 --> 00:19:34.599
start your marriage on the right foot and like

00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:38.680
in a comfortable place financially. Oh, sure.

00:19:38.779 --> 00:19:41.420
OK, that is the sentiment that I've gathered.

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That's fine. Because that's like the whole the

00:19:43.859 --> 00:19:47.660
whole thing with like. Putting on your registry

00:19:47.660 --> 00:19:50.619
the honeymoon fund where like people can donate

00:19:50.619 --> 00:19:52.539
to your honeymoon. I'm a million percent fine

00:19:52.539 --> 00:19:54.240
with that. I love that. I think it's the same

00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:58.119
idea. It's like you want them to be celebrated

00:19:58.119 --> 00:20:00.359
and all of this. And so you don't really want

00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:05.380
them to like struggle financially from it. No.

00:20:05.380 --> 00:20:09.299
And that's the thing, though, is like I think

00:20:09.299 --> 00:20:14.990
it comes back to this thing of like. Yeah, if

00:20:14.990 --> 00:20:17.029
you're throwing a wedding, if you're throwing

00:20:17.029 --> 00:20:20.430
a really, really high -end wedding, you're looking

00:20:20.430 --> 00:20:22.549
at anywhere in, like, it's a wide range, but

00:20:22.549 --> 00:20:24.750
anywhere in the ballpark of, like, $30 ,000 to

00:20:24.750 --> 00:20:27.829
$100 ,000. Not for a high -end wedding, mama.

00:20:28.670 --> 00:20:30.829
Not in this day and age. You're looking at at

00:20:30.829 --> 00:20:33.730
least $100 ,000. That's insane. Yeah. Like, weddings

00:20:33.730 --> 00:20:37.329
are stupid. They are stupid expensive. And there's,

00:20:37.329 --> 00:20:40.750
like... Like how there's a pink tax on all feminine

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products. They're more expensive because they're

00:20:44.170 --> 00:20:50.529
girly. There is an exorbitant wedding tax. Like

00:20:50.529 --> 00:20:54.309
a venue for a baby shower or whatever is not

00:20:54.309 --> 00:20:56.309
that expensive. But as soon as you say it's for

00:20:56.309 --> 00:21:00.930
a wedding, it's a million dollars. Is it because

00:21:00.930 --> 00:21:05.259
of the... Like, do they have to take extra liability

00:21:05.259 --> 00:21:07.740
insurance out or like, is it just because they

00:21:07.740 --> 00:21:10.039
know you're just because they know people will

00:21:10.039 --> 00:21:12.519
pay out the nose for a wedding? It's problematic

00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:15.940
as fuck. It's really bad. It's really bad. This

00:21:15.940 --> 00:21:21.339
is like this whole conversation is like the reason

00:21:21.339 --> 00:21:24.700
I am torn about what I would do for my wedding,

00:21:24.759 --> 00:21:27.480
because what I would like to do is have a destination

00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:31.859
wedding and only invite. like maybe a hundred

00:21:31.859 --> 00:21:35.519
people but the thing is a hundred people for

00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:38.619
a destination wedding yeah oh that is nothing

00:21:38.619 --> 00:21:40.880
for a wedding i would invite like 12 people to

00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:43.460
a destination oh no well but that's my thing

00:21:43.460 --> 00:21:48.200
is that i would need to be able to afford to

00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:52.880
fly anyone out there who tells me that they can't

00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:56.609
afford to go Because I don't want anyone to miss

00:21:56.609 --> 00:21:58.210
it because they don't have the money. That's

00:21:58.210 --> 00:22:00.190
fair. Like and see, that's that's that's why

00:22:00.190 --> 00:22:01.869
I would invite like 12 people, because like I

00:22:01.869 --> 00:22:04.349
I would assume that I'm on the hook. Like this

00:22:04.349 --> 00:22:05.869
is this is where I come from with all this. And

00:22:05.869 --> 00:22:07.430
I think this is like just because of the way

00:22:07.430 --> 00:22:10.369
I was raised. If you're hosting an event, if

00:22:10.369 --> 00:22:12.009
you're putting on an event, you're on the hook

00:22:12.009 --> 00:22:14.490
for the event. So like if I'm having a destination

00:22:14.490 --> 00:22:16.769
wedding, if I'm saying I want to like I have

00:22:16.769 --> 00:22:18.670
to have my wedding in Cabo, Hawaii, wherever.

00:22:19.789 --> 00:22:23.940
I believe that like. It will be my Delta Sky

00:22:23.940 --> 00:22:26.140
miles that are paid for to come out there. Do

00:22:26.140 --> 00:22:27.839
you know what I mean? I feel like a wedding is

00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:32.279
the one exception to that. Honestly, maybe because

00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:35.740
I feel like everyone's supposed to rally around

00:22:35.740 --> 00:22:39.779
you and be like seeing you off to your next stage

00:22:39.779 --> 00:22:42.099
of life or whatever. That's fair. I don't know.

00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:44.839
OK, but to answer the question, the original

00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:46.579
question I asked now, I wouldn't have paid for

00:22:46.579 --> 00:22:49.039
tickets for this this wedding. And just know

00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:55.069
if I ever do get married. I you're not paying

00:22:55.069 --> 00:22:58.289
for the ticket to go to wherever I'm getting

00:22:58.289 --> 00:23:10.430
married at. Yeah, I don't know. The drama. Oh,

00:23:10.430 --> 00:23:13.329
God. I have one thing I want to talk about. Talk

00:23:13.329 --> 00:23:15.210
about it. I've been watching the second season

00:23:15.210 --> 00:23:18.329
of Wednesday and I rewatched the first season

00:23:18.329 --> 00:23:22.539
because I wanted to like. remember what was happening

00:23:22.539 --> 00:23:28.119
and I cannot look away from number one Catherine

00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:33.799
Zeta -Jones wow she looks amazing she looks stunning

00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:37.420
but most importantly and what I want to talk

00:23:37.420 --> 00:23:41.259
about the costumes the clothes their costume

00:23:41.259 --> 00:23:46.920
designer eats every time it is so good so so

00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:50.660
good every single character looks so good and

00:23:50.660 --> 00:23:53.400
so i looked it up and of course this woman designed

00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:56.119
the costumes for like johnny depp sweeney todd

00:23:56.119 --> 00:24:02.000
sleepy hollow all of these scarier horror movies

00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:04.759
and she has like a million oscars and stuff like

00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:08.319
that so it's like yeah obviously anyway colleen

00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:13.440
you ate good job colleen Um, when's the last

00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:16.559
time you felt super patriotic, Emma? I gotta

00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:20.559
tell you, never in my life. Never once have I

00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:23.579
felt patriotic while voting. Never once have

00:24:23.579 --> 00:24:30.680
I. Never. I'm going to tell you, my Apple music

00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:34.279
was on shuffle and the Whitney Houston version

00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:38.680
of the Star Spangled Banner came on from the

00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:44.000
1991 Super Bowl. God, she has the pipes. I listened

00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:46.579
to that all the way through because I was like,

00:24:46.619 --> 00:24:48.579
what is what am I listening to? And I didn't

00:24:48.579 --> 00:24:51.880
like it didn't hit me until like, yeah, we got

00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:54.160
into like the chorus. And I was like, oh, my

00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:56.079
God, this is Whitney Houston at the 1991 Super

00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:58.900
Bowl. And then I have not felt that patriotic

00:24:58.900 --> 00:25:03.200
since I voted for Kamala Harris. I did not feel

00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:06.900
patriotic voting for Kamala Harris. I did. She's

00:25:06.900 --> 00:25:11.579
a cop. Well, did I vote for her? Yes. Yes. Is

00:25:11.579 --> 00:25:16.160
she a cop? Yes. Yes. I didn't feel patriotic

00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:18.319
voting for Hillary Clinton. Did I vote for her?

00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:24.819
Yes. Is she scum of the earth? Yes. I've never

00:25:24.819 --> 00:25:31.630
once been like, I love my country. Fair. Francis

00:25:31.630 --> 00:25:34.829
Scott Key, you don't do it for me either. I loved

00:25:34.829 --> 00:25:37.470
my country when I was listening to Whitney Houston

00:25:37.470 --> 00:25:44.430
sing. I do love my country when I go to Taco

00:25:44.430 --> 00:25:49.390
Bell. That's helpful. Or Subway. Subway? Yeah.

00:25:51.750 --> 00:25:55.130
Whatever. Chan restaurants. Okay, I see what

00:25:55.130 --> 00:25:58.490
you're saying. Have you seen this article about

00:25:58.490 --> 00:26:00.430
the couple that sold their company for seven

00:26:00.430 --> 00:26:02.890
hundred and forty five million dollars, but they

00:26:02.890 --> 00:26:06.130
couldn't process it because they felt numb afterwards?

00:26:07.750 --> 00:26:19.549
Yeah. Cry me a fucking river. This. I. So there's

00:26:19.549 --> 00:26:22.230
a couple who sold their company off to Salesforce,

00:26:22.569 --> 00:26:26.509
the CRM company for. seven hundred forty five

00:26:26.509 --> 00:26:29.890
million dollars and and then have the nerve to

00:26:29.890 --> 00:26:32.390
cry about it well the article is all about like

00:26:32.390 --> 00:26:34.829
this company became our identity like work became

00:26:34.829 --> 00:26:37.789
our identity and now we wake up and we have nothing

00:26:37.789 --> 00:26:41.009
and i'm like you have seven hundred forty five

00:26:41.009 --> 00:26:44.529
million dollars like after taxes ostensibly you

00:26:44.529 --> 00:26:50.210
will have at least 350 million dollars like let's

00:26:50.210 --> 00:26:52.450
just say you are doing the right thing and paying

00:26:52.450 --> 00:26:56.450
the amount of taxes you should be paying $350

00:26:56.450 --> 00:27:00.670
million free and clear. You're telling me like

00:27:00.670 --> 00:27:03.049
a hundred dollar bill and wipe those tears, mama.

00:27:03.210 --> 00:27:06.490
Find a hobby. Right. An expensive one. Even start

00:27:06.490 --> 00:27:09.450
collecting something. I don't know. Buy a house.

00:27:09.529 --> 00:27:11.869
Start another company. This is like what we talked

00:27:11.869 --> 00:27:14.650
about in the last episode. People have no idea

00:27:14.650 --> 00:27:16.809
what to do out of their life with their lives

00:27:16.809 --> 00:27:19.970
outside of being efficient at their job. Well,

00:27:19.990 --> 00:27:21.430
that's that's exactly where I was going with

00:27:21.430 --> 00:27:23.970
this. It comes back to this whole grind set thing

00:27:23.970 --> 00:27:25.950
where it's like, oh, what do we do now? And we

00:27:25.950 --> 00:27:27.789
know a couple of people like this. Like we used

00:27:27.789 --> 00:27:30.190
to work for a guy like this. i live with a person

00:27:30.190 --> 00:27:33.170
like this yeah my papaw's like this like we we

00:27:33.170 --> 00:27:37.250
know so many people like this and like on some

00:27:37.250 --> 00:27:40.089
level i do respect and appreciate it like i i

00:27:40.089 --> 00:27:42.710
love what the person that we used to work for

00:27:42.710 --> 00:27:45.390
what he built like i think he is because he's

00:27:45.390 --> 00:27:47.250
incredibly generous and he does so much but like

00:27:47.250 --> 00:27:50.130
at the same time some of his kids don't talk

00:27:50.130 --> 00:27:53.900
to him I never meant to get on this podcast and

00:27:53.900 --> 00:27:56.819
say that being hardworking is not an admirable

00:27:56.819 --> 00:28:00.819
trait. Right. It is. Yes. It is not admirable

00:28:00.819 --> 00:28:04.480
to be so hardworking. You forget how to be a

00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:06.859
person. I don't think that's hardworking, though.

00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:09.299
I think that that is like I have nothing else.

00:28:09.380 --> 00:28:11.839
I'm going all in on this. And like, I think it

00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:13.759
stops becoming hardworking at a certain point

00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:18.380
and it becomes an obsession. It's like we've

00:28:18.380 --> 00:28:21.839
lost the plot of how to be. A person on planet

00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:24.279
Earth experiencing life for the first and only

00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:30.339
time. Right. And that it sucks because. Like

00:28:30.339 --> 00:28:33.460
you, it's this whole idea of like, oh, you can't

00:28:33.460 --> 00:28:36.140
even be proud of what you built to to the extent

00:28:36.140 --> 00:28:39.019
of a company like Salesforce, like one of the

00:28:39.019 --> 00:28:41.299
most powerful and one of the most well -respected

00:28:41.299 --> 00:28:44.460
companies in the world wants to buy your brand

00:28:44.460 --> 00:28:46.220
from you. You can't even be proud of that. You're

00:28:46.220 --> 00:28:48.500
like, I have nothing. Mind you, they have kids.

00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:52.589
Yes. Throw yourself into parenthood. Hello. Yeah.

00:28:52.869 --> 00:28:55.809
There's so much you could do. What a cool opportunity

00:28:55.809 --> 00:29:00.069
to be like, oh, my God. Now I have time to spend

00:29:00.069 --> 00:29:02.450
time with my fucking kids. And I don't I will

00:29:02.450 --> 00:29:04.930
for the rest of my life. I will never have to

00:29:04.930 --> 00:29:06.910
worry about money for the rest of my life. For

00:29:06.910 --> 00:29:08.650
the rest of my kids life. They will probably

00:29:08.650 --> 00:29:12.649
never have to worry about money. And now. Instead,

00:29:12.649 --> 00:29:15.210
they're going to see this article on CNBC about

00:29:15.210 --> 00:29:17.250
how you hated your life after you stopped working

00:29:17.250 --> 00:29:19.089
the first time that they ever got to see you,

00:29:19.109 --> 00:29:20.990
probably. Well, and this is the thing is this

00:29:20.990 --> 00:29:23.670
is not the first time they've sold a brand for

00:29:23.670 --> 00:29:26.369
millions of dollars. And it's like, well, now

00:29:26.369 --> 00:29:28.049
we have to do something else. And I think this

00:29:28.049 --> 00:29:31.480
is what I struggle with is like. you will never

00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:34.180
find someone who's more of a capitalist pig than

00:29:34.180 --> 00:29:37.480
i am i love money i love shopping i love excess

00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:40.539
i love all of it like i i do and like that i

00:29:40.539 --> 00:29:43.359
yeah i love to order on amazon i think there's

00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:45.480
a package on my front porch right now there was

00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:51.200
and so we we do this whole song and dance of

00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:54.819
like Yeah, like this is this is who we are, but

00:29:54.819 --> 00:29:57.140
like you have to be realistic going into it.

00:29:57.180 --> 00:30:00.339
I don't I don't want to lose who I am. I don't

00:30:00.339 --> 00:30:01.940
want to lose the relationships with my family.

00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:04.119
I don't want to do the whole song and dance if

00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:08.140
it comes at the cost of only doing the song and

00:30:08.140 --> 00:30:10.180
dance. It's literally your whole life. And like

00:30:10.180 --> 00:30:13.359
people don't take into account what their life

00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:16.000
is because to them, their life is how much money

00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:19.299
they have. And it's like, what about your family?

00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:22.920
What about having friends? What about a bucket

00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:26.140
list? What about like, what do you want to do

00:30:26.140 --> 00:30:29.660
in this life other than generate wealth? Right.

00:30:30.059 --> 00:30:33.660
Because what is the point of wealth if you never

00:30:33.660 --> 00:30:37.039
do anything? Right. What is the point of having

00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:39.180
money if all you do is go to work every day?

00:30:39.259 --> 00:30:41.619
Well, and this was what I struggled with. And

00:30:41.619 --> 00:30:43.299
I had this conversation with the guy that we

00:30:43.299 --> 00:30:47.200
used to work with. more so like when i was when

00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:51.720
i knew i was leaving and i was like you what

00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:54.519
are you doing because like i it was right after

00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:58.319
he had me donate it was like a million 1 .2 million

00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:00.380
dollars to a high school for them to build a

00:31:00.380 --> 00:31:02.140
performing arts thing and i was like yeah do

00:31:02.140 --> 00:31:03.539
you ever use this money for you because he was

00:31:03.539 --> 00:31:05.579
the cheapest man on god's green earth to just

00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:07.819
know that yeah do you ever use this money for

00:31:07.819 --> 00:31:10.059
you he goes oh well you know i like i bought

00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:12.400
bought my wife a boat. And I was like, but for

00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:15.660
you, his splurge for himself was like buying

00:31:15.660 --> 00:31:20.839
real estate. Yeah. Yeah. And like, and he's proud

00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:23.680
of that golf course, but buying a golf course

00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:27.200
is giving yourself another job. Like I was proud

00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:29.880
of, it doesn't matter how proud you are. Now

00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:33.200
you are the owner of a golf course and that in

00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:35.960
itself is a job. You'll remember this. Cause

00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:38.400
when we shared an office and he walked by, I,

00:31:39.069 --> 00:31:42.089
had the article up that was like this golf course

00:31:42.089 --> 00:31:44.390
was voted the number one golf course in the state

00:31:44.390 --> 00:31:46.529
of indiana right do you remember this and i was

00:31:46.529 --> 00:31:49.250
so proud of him and he could not take pride in

00:31:49.250 --> 00:31:52.309
that yeah he was just like yeah he goes oh and

00:31:52.309 --> 00:31:55.650
it's like oh you don't care about that you don't

00:31:55.650 --> 00:31:58.809
care about the success you know you care about

00:31:58.809 --> 00:32:00.769
checking the box and that's what i struggled

00:32:00.769 --> 00:32:03.970
with with him because i was like there there

00:32:03.970 --> 00:32:06.230
was a lot of problematic stuff to him don't don't

00:32:06.230 --> 00:32:08.250
get me wrong about that and like he's an old

00:32:08.250 --> 00:32:11.869
white man yes and we fought a lot but like at

00:32:11.869 --> 00:32:14.150
the end of the day I do believe he cared about

00:32:14.150 --> 00:32:15.630
me and I do believe I cared about him and it

00:32:15.630 --> 00:32:19.269
was problematic in its own way but like that

00:32:19.269 --> 00:32:23.069
is what it is so that being said I wanted him

00:32:23.069 --> 00:32:25.369
to be happy and I like I don't think these people

00:32:25.369 --> 00:32:28.950
are happy no and that's my problem with it is

00:32:28.950 --> 00:32:34.599
I think your only goal like Your major goal that

00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:37.660
all of your other goals should align with is

00:32:37.660 --> 00:32:40.900
being happy and content in your life on this

00:32:40.900 --> 00:32:46.140
earth. And I don't think you have sight of that.

00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:50.680
I don't think you are even going after that if

00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:54.740
all you think about is money to the point where

00:32:54.740 --> 00:32:57.839
you don't want to go on vacation because then

00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:00.480
you'll miss opportunities at work. You don't

00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:06.150
want to. Take a month off and be in your son's

00:33:06.150 --> 00:33:08.549
life when he has a baby, because then you'll

00:33:08.549 --> 00:33:11.809
miss an opportunity at work. You don't you're

00:33:11.809 --> 00:33:15.109
not interested in that. And I where is your happiness

00:33:15.109 --> 00:33:18.150
coming from? Because I don't see a smile on your

00:33:18.150 --> 00:33:19.990
face when you log in and check your bank account.

00:33:20.109 --> 00:33:25.849
I don't see that. Like, where does it? I cannot

00:33:25.849 --> 00:33:28.480
believe that. numbers on the screen are making

00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:31.400
you genuinely happy no well and that's that's

00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:33.380
the thing is like I mean even when he did because

00:33:33.380 --> 00:33:36.480
he went to what was it was Italy or Spain one

00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:41.140
of the two and he called me every single day

00:33:41.140 --> 00:33:45.119
30 times a day just to see how everything was

00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:47.240
going how the investments were doing like like

00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:50.150
the whole thing and I was like Take a fucking

00:33:50.150 --> 00:33:53.329
break. Do you remember he got COVID? His wife

00:33:53.329 --> 00:33:56.970
is tired of him. His wife. His wife put him out

00:33:56.970 --> 00:33:59.450
of the house while he had COVID. Yeah, his wife

00:33:59.450 --> 00:34:02.109
hadn't seen him in 50 years because he spent

00:34:02.109 --> 00:34:05.970
12 hours a day in the office. And so he was home

00:34:05.970 --> 00:34:08.889
with COVID and his wife called the office and

00:34:08.889 --> 00:34:11.170
was like, please, God, take him back. I can't

00:34:11.170 --> 00:34:13.210
fucking deal with him anymore. Can you imagine

00:34:13.210 --> 00:34:16.099
that being? I forgot about that. But can you

00:34:16.099 --> 00:34:18.639
imagine that being your life? You have thrown

00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:23.139
your whole life away into money to the point

00:34:23.139 --> 00:34:25.619
where even your own wife can't stand you. But

00:34:25.619 --> 00:34:30.099
that's the thing is like. And that's it's like

00:34:30.099 --> 00:34:31.840
it's the devil, you know, is better than the

00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:33.519
devil. You don't know that whole saying. And

00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:36.059
like I, I love I love both of them. I do like

00:34:36.059 --> 00:34:37.820
to this day. I love it because they still call

00:34:37.820 --> 00:34:41.179
and check on me like they're there. I believe

00:34:41.179 --> 00:34:43.079
they're good people like say what you will. I

00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:47.300
do. It's hard because I'm just like, oh, you

00:34:47.300 --> 00:34:50.400
guys, this is the life that you live and you've

00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:53.099
been running from what life is. And now that

00:34:53.099 --> 00:34:55.519
like their businesses are winding down, like

00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:59.199
the the individual we worked with is he's pushing

00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:03.880
80 and he's like 74. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm just

00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:07.260
like, oh, and he's I mean, he had like seven

00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:09.440
strokes or something insane like that. He had

00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:12.619
a ton of strokes. And I'm just like, you are

00:35:12.619 --> 00:35:17.360
running from. who you are because i don't i think

00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:20.099
he doesn't have a sense of who he doesn't know

00:35:20.099 --> 00:35:22.099
who he is yes i think you're right and that's

00:35:22.099 --> 00:35:23.860
i think that's where i'm where i'm at with this

00:35:23.860 --> 00:35:25.800
article where it's just like the article talks

00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:27.519
about yeah we were in the car and my husband

00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:32.340
asked well okay what do we do next and i'm like

00:35:32.340 --> 00:35:36.880
what do you mean go to mallorca i don't know

00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:42.840
but i just and I understand the privilege that

00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:45.300
comes with this conversation, right? Because

00:35:45.300 --> 00:35:48.019
there are millions of people out there who are

00:35:48.019 --> 00:35:51.480
financially insecure and would do anything to,

00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:55.320
you know, live their life for a paycheck if it

00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:57.760
meant that they had a place to live and food

00:35:57.760 --> 00:35:59.440
to eat and they didn't have to worry and all

00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:04.800
of that. So I want to acknowledge that. But like.

00:36:05.630 --> 00:36:09.829
I don't even I think even people in those situations

00:36:09.829 --> 00:36:13.809
where they are very financially insecure would

00:36:13.809 --> 00:36:18.210
agree that they wouldn't want to throw their

00:36:18.210 --> 00:36:21.070
family or their whole life or their identity

00:36:21.070 --> 00:36:24.210
away in order to attain that. Oh, I think this

00:36:24.210 --> 00:36:27.289
is the problem that we have in this country is

00:36:27.289 --> 00:36:30.150
it's so all or nothing. Like it's like you're

00:36:30.150 --> 00:36:32.909
either the person that we're talking about here

00:36:32.909 --> 00:36:37.070
or you're the person that is. poor homeless desolate

00:36:37.070 --> 00:36:39.489
on food stamps on medicaid and you feel like

00:36:39.489 --> 00:36:43.869
you're worthless there is no space to be yeah

00:36:43.869 --> 00:36:47.210
well i think we've lost sight of those two people

00:36:47.210 --> 00:36:50.969
being worth the same like at the end of the day

00:36:50.969 --> 00:36:53.630
they are both human beings who deserve the same

00:36:53.630 --> 00:36:56.630
thing right and maybe this comes with like the

00:36:56.630 --> 00:36:59.010
conversation around like the erasure of the middle

00:36:59.010 --> 00:37:01.510
class because i i'm i'm gonna be real i do think

00:37:01.510 --> 00:37:04.070
that is happening yeah a hundred percent and

00:37:06.030 --> 00:37:09.050
So I guess I don't know what the answer is, but

00:37:09.050 --> 00:37:12.849
like I do know that. I'm comfortable financially,

00:37:13.150 --> 00:37:16.030
I'm fine, like I'm I'm happy with the amount

00:37:16.030 --> 00:37:17.690
of money I have in my bank account and I've never

00:37:17.690 --> 00:37:22.489
in my life struggled and I understand that. I

00:37:22.489 --> 00:37:29.739
do know that. After law school, I. I don't ever

00:37:29.739 --> 00:37:32.659
want to be the person who goes home and wakes

00:37:32.659 --> 00:37:35.619
up and all I do for the next 18 hours is obsess

00:37:35.619 --> 00:37:38.719
over how much money can I make? I don't want

00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:44.079
to do it. Yeah, I completely agree. And so, yeah,

00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:46.480
I mean, we are two people who are financially

00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:51.719
stable, at least you come from money. I don't

00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:54.099
come from money, but I'm taken care of. I'm not

00:37:54.099 --> 00:37:58.030
having to. worry about it necessarily i just

00:37:58.030 --> 00:37:59.610
wanted to acknowledge that there are people who

00:37:59.610 --> 00:38:01.630
genuinely have to worry about money and they

00:38:01.630 --> 00:38:03.989
would choose to have these champagne problems

00:38:03.989 --> 00:38:06.670
over wondering where their next meal is going

00:38:06.670 --> 00:38:10.570
to come from etc sure that doesn't mean that

00:38:10.570 --> 00:38:12.510
this problem doesn't exist though because it

00:38:12.510 --> 00:38:16.010
definitely does we have people who are just throwing

00:38:16.010 --> 00:38:19.869
their lives away for a check and it's sad right

00:38:19.869 --> 00:38:25.079
are we complaining I've done nothing but complain

00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:28.659
all day. Complain again. What I wanted to complain

00:38:28.659 --> 00:38:32.960
about are the seasons. Blame global warming or

00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:35.199
don't. I don't really care what your stance is.

00:38:35.380 --> 00:38:39.860
Summer is way too long. Winter is way too long.

00:38:40.219 --> 00:38:44.099
Why is it either 100 degrees or zero degrees

00:38:44.099 --> 00:38:49.219
outside? I am tired of it. It used to be once

00:38:49.219 --> 00:38:51.880
August hit the first day of school, you would

00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.800
like get a little chill in the air. You'd be

00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:59.039
able to smell fall coming. Not anymore. It is

00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:04.199
85 degrees, mama. And by the time it goes down,

00:39:04.260 --> 00:39:08.670
it will go down to 40 degrees. Yeah, the swings

00:39:08.670 --> 00:39:12.349
are hard, especially in Indiana. I hate it. As

00:39:12.349 --> 00:39:14.750
someone with allergies, as someone who doesn't

00:39:14.750 --> 00:39:16.969
like to be outside if it's too hot or too cold,

00:39:17.110 --> 00:39:21.329
I'm angry. I want fall back and I want spring

00:39:21.329 --> 00:39:26.570
back. I love fall and spring, personally. That's

00:39:26.570 --> 00:39:28.309
what I'm saying, but we don't get them anymore.

00:39:29.130 --> 00:39:33.210
Well, I don't. Yeah, it's hard. Maybe like two

00:39:33.210 --> 00:39:37.440
weeks. If that, I mean, in New York, it was you

00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.380
had like I mean, and I'm not exaggerating. You

00:39:40.380 --> 00:39:43.500
had like one one good day in the summer where

00:39:43.500 --> 00:39:45.920
like everyone was out. You called into work.

00:39:45.980 --> 00:39:48.739
It was like everyone was out running around the

00:39:48.739 --> 00:39:51.739
spring. It was like mid April. You would get

00:39:51.739 --> 00:39:53.440
that one really, really good day because it was

00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:55.280
either oppressively cold or oppressively hot.

00:39:55.420 --> 00:39:57.039
And then it would go into summer where it was

00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:59.860
like the entire city smelled like pee. And then

00:39:59.860 --> 00:40:04.380
you had. probably in the fall two ish good weeks

00:40:04.380 --> 00:40:10.559
that's what i'm saying yeah and like it's always

00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:12.739
storming during those two weeks too like it's

00:40:12.739 --> 00:40:16.900
never actually that good and then it's 30 degrees

00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:20.360
Like there's no in between anymore. And I hate

00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:24.519
it. I want to see a high of 66 degrees and a

00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:27.860
low of 40. That is my ideal day. And I understand

00:40:27.860 --> 00:40:30.539
that is colder than most people's ideal day.

00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:33.760
But I'm telling you, my day doesn't exist anymore.

00:40:35.420 --> 00:40:37.940
Well, we'll take a trip to somewhere where your

00:40:37.940 --> 00:40:40.219
ideal day does exist, because I have a feeling

00:40:40.219 --> 00:40:46.400
it is in a place that you hate, Utah. Their summers

00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:48.679
are hot as hell. But, like, I'm talking about,

00:40:48.739 --> 00:40:51.599
like, in the fall we could go to, like, we could

00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:53.639
have a live show in Salt Lake City. You know

00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:55.760
where I'm convinced they have my perfect day?

00:40:56.059 --> 00:40:59.940
France. Ireland. Ireland, yes. Because I'm okay.

00:40:59.980 --> 00:41:02.199
I'm actually okay with a little gloom and doom.

00:41:02.900 --> 00:41:06.940
I don't need the sun out all the time. And I

00:41:06.940 --> 00:41:09.000
feel like they're pretty temperate. Like, I'm

00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:11.739
sure it gets hot. And I'm sure they don't have

00:41:11.739 --> 00:41:18.909
AC. But, like. Please. Please. Oh, anyway, what

00:41:18.909 --> 00:41:21.269
do you want to complain about? I truly thought

00:41:21.269 --> 00:41:23.110
today I was going to have nothing to complain

00:41:23.110 --> 00:41:26.190
about. I said, wow, this is the first thing that

00:41:26.190 --> 00:41:29.389
or the first time on the podcast ever. He had

00:41:29.389 --> 00:41:31.690
a pocket full of sunshine. Yeah, I was like,

00:41:31.730 --> 00:41:33.469
what? What a day I'm going to have. I pull out

00:41:33.469 --> 00:41:35.130
of my fucking driveway. Do you want to know what

00:41:35.130 --> 00:41:38.050
was back? Well, the goddamn tandem bike people.

00:41:38.889 --> 00:41:42.849
Oh, and so this and people are in love. Shut

00:41:42.849 --> 00:41:48.260
up. No. This is not what it's about for me, because

00:41:48.260 --> 00:41:51.119
I am convinced and I am not exaggerating. They

00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:53.280
were listening to this podcast because these

00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.440
people were all over the goddamn road. I couldn't

00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:58.000
pass them. I couldn't do anything. And then when

00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:00.039
I gave them a little because I was like, they're

00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.340
not wearing helmets. These people will die. Like,

00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:04.360
I'm actually worried about these people who are

00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:09.460
retirees like God bless them. I. They don't live

00:42:09.460 --> 00:42:11.719
on my street. I know that, but I don't know where

00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:13.480
they live, but I'm just like, I'm sure they're,

00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:15.659
they're the, the ball of their neighborhood.

00:42:15.739 --> 00:42:20.699
I love them, whatever, hate them. They are all

00:42:20.699 --> 00:42:25.519
over the fucking street. And today I gave him

00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:27.039
just a little toot on the horn, just a little

00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:30.400
toot toot. And the way that they stopped the

00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:34.820
bike in the middle of the street, the guy throws

00:42:34.820 --> 00:42:36.360
his hands up in the air. He goes, you're going

00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:40.070
to kill someone. And I said, You're on a tandem

00:42:40.070 --> 00:42:42.349
fucking bike in the middle of the street. And

00:42:42.349 --> 00:42:44.710
it wasn't a full blown fight like I've had. I've

00:42:44.710 --> 00:42:46.989
had hundreds of these fights on my road before.

00:42:47.130 --> 00:42:51.269
But I was just like. I'm going to I'm going to

00:42:51.269 --> 00:42:54.269
pass you and I'm going to hope that this conversation

00:42:54.269 --> 00:42:57.389
goes no further. Because I'm not going to kill

00:42:57.389 --> 00:43:04.760
someone. I'm going to kill you. And. Maybe this

00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:07.559
speaks to a larger sense of entitlement thing

00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:10.679
that I have where or that I have with other people

00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:13.300
where I'm like, oh, you think you're entitled

00:43:13.300 --> 00:43:17.739
to be in the entire road. You think that no one

00:43:17.739 --> 00:43:20.340
else has anywhere to be. You think that you are

00:43:20.340 --> 00:43:22.099
the most important person on God's green earth

00:43:22.099 --> 00:43:23.760
because you're on this fucking tandem bike that

00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:26.179
you do not know how to control. Because I'm convinced

00:43:26.179 --> 00:43:28.320
because I thought a lot about this since I listened

00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:30.119
to the episode where we originally talked about

00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:34.059
this. I thought about. You know, maybe maybe

00:43:34.059 --> 00:43:35.960
I'm being too hard on these people. And it's

00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:38.260
like it's these specific people. And because

00:43:38.260 --> 00:43:41.420
surely to God, a normal person on a tandem bike

00:43:41.420 --> 00:43:44.280
or two normal people on a tandem bike know how

00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:46.239
to control it and not be all over the fucking

00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:49.639
road. Yeah, it sounds like they're still figuring

00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:52.519
out their tandem bike. Maybe they are in love,

00:43:52.579 --> 00:43:55.820
but not synchronized. I don't know. They need

00:43:55.820 --> 00:44:00.139
a divorce. Yeah, this is their first sign. Are

00:44:00.139 --> 00:44:04.820
you ready for reality roundup? i am okay so we're

00:44:04.820 --> 00:44:07.760
on episode one i'm sorry season one episode three

00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:11.659
of real housewives of salt lake city it's called

00:44:11.659 --> 00:44:14.280
everybody needs a switzerland i don't know why

00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:19.139
i put isle in front of season anyway um we get

00:44:19.139 --> 00:44:22.059
the opening shots and what are you talking about

00:44:22.059 --> 00:44:25.199
what what are you talking about did you just

00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:30.900
do that yeah mine doesn't say that oh OK, never

00:44:30.900 --> 00:44:34.219
mind. We get the opening shots. Lisa and John

00:44:34.219 --> 00:44:36.079
are driving around and Lisa needs a Diet Coke

00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:38.199
and tells Henry that he really needs to work

00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:42.519
on his Ten Commandments. And he comes up with

00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:45.480
thou shalt not smoke and thou shalt not do anything

00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:53.219
bad. Like looking at porn. I'm like, OK, sometimes

00:44:53.219 --> 00:44:56.940
your kid just says something that you can't really

00:44:56.940 --> 00:45:01.960
hold your laugh in about. Like Jack the other

00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:05.199
day, he tripped on something and like hit his

00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:10.800
rib on his scooter, I think. And he started crying,

00:45:10.900 --> 00:45:13.860
but also he farted a million times when it happened.

00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:21.599
Poor Jack. I know. Just like all came out of

00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:26.519
both ends. So, like, he dries his tears, he's

00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:29.320
sitting with me, and of course he's blaming his

00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:32.159
pretend sister Gabby for the whole thing. And

00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:36.559
he goes, Gabby! You made me cry and fart. I love

00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:40.199
that Gabby's such a little client. And I died

00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:42.900
laughing. I could not hold my laugh because it

00:45:42.900 --> 00:45:45.340
reminded me of that episode of Parks and Rec

00:45:45.340 --> 00:45:48.739
where Aziz Ansari's character is saying that

00:45:48.739 --> 00:45:51.320
Jerry had a fart attack because he had a heart

00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:55.719
attack and he farted. I could not stop laughing.

00:45:55.739 --> 00:45:57.960
It was the funniest thing I've ever seen. I love

00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:01.119
that so much. Anyway, yeah. Kids are so funny.

00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:04.179
Meredith and Brooks are working out, in air quotes,

00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:06.880
where they're laying on a table with electrode

00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:09.380
things attached to you to kill fat cells. And

00:46:09.380 --> 00:46:11.139
Brooks says this is the most he's worked out

00:46:11.139 --> 00:46:13.820
in five months. Have you ever done one of those

00:46:13.820 --> 00:46:17.460
things? No. Have you? Yeah. And do you know the

00:46:17.460 --> 00:46:22.440
science behind it? It shocks fat cells and you

00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:25.659
pee a lot. I know you lose water weight. I don't

00:46:25.659 --> 00:46:28.320
know that it actually has any beneficial effect,

00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:32.329
though. It's certainly not making you stronger.

00:46:32.710 --> 00:46:36.389
So God, no. Yeah. Whitney's planning a party

00:46:36.389 --> 00:46:39.050
and she goes to an antique store. That's also

00:46:39.050 --> 00:46:46.150
a speakeasy. And I hate a theme so much. Where

00:46:46.150 --> 00:46:49.769
are they going? Are you where you go into a store

00:46:49.769 --> 00:46:51.630
and you have to pretend it's the prohibition?

00:46:51.769 --> 00:46:57.800
Oh, yeah. I love a theme store. Don't make me

00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:01.380
a part of the scene. Right. Yeah. It's weird.

00:47:01.539 --> 00:47:05.019
I don't like if you like it, I love it. Whatever.

00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:09.059
No. We go over to where Heather's planning a

00:47:09.059 --> 00:47:13.579
baby shower. Right. Because like they're all

00:47:13.579 --> 00:47:16.500
pregnant. Five out of the 20 employees are pregnant

00:47:16.500 --> 00:47:19.420
and they're pregnant with boys. So Heather wants

00:47:19.420 --> 00:47:23.650
to plan something special. Jen shows up. And

00:47:23.650 --> 00:47:26.010
this is the thing where I know for a fact at

00:47:26.010 --> 00:47:28.389
this point, Jen was the person that this show

00:47:28.389 --> 00:47:31.610
was built around because Jen shows up, has no

00:47:31.610 --> 00:47:35.269
connection to beauty lab employees. Yeah, she

00:47:35.269 --> 00:47:39.329
has. She doesn't know. Yeah. Anyway, Jen's aunt

00:47:39.329 --> 00:47:41.969
drove her to Heather's house. And I ask, is this

00:47:41.969 --> 00:47:44.650
is this the aunt that had both of her legs amputated?

00:47:44.789 --> 00:47:49.650
And you bitch. But also that aunt does have prosthetic

00:47:49.650 --> 00:47:51.699
legs. I think they talk about that. Yeah, you

00:47:51.699 --> 00:47:53.699
see him at some point, but like this isn't the

00:47:53.699 --> 00:47:56.219
same man, right? No, I don't think you can drive

00:47:56.219 --> 00:48:02.219
with prosthetic legs. You absolutely can. I'm

00:48:02.219 --> 00:48:05.219
looking it up. While you look it up, I'll tell

00:48:05.219 --> 00:48:10.139
you. Jen makes her aunt walk her to the door

00:48:10.139 --> 00:48:12.780
and she's an absolute asshole going, hurry up.

00:48:12.780 --> 00:48:15.900
My feet are freezing as she's wearing open toed

00:48:15.900 --> 00:48:21.409
heels in the literal Utah snow. Oh, it is possible

00:48:21.409 --> 00:48:24.389
to drive with prosthetic legs, but it depends

00:48:24.389 --> 00:48:27.989
on the individual's specific circumstances and

00:48:27.989 --> 00:48:30.670
the type of prosthetic. I have a feeling that

00:48:30.670 --> 00:48:33.190
if you have weathered the storm with one Miss

00:48:33.190 --> 00:48:37.389
Jennifer Shaw, you can probably drive with prosthetic

00:48:37.389 --> 00:48:40.489
legs. You understand what hardship and turmoil

00:48:40.489 --> 00:48:46.260
is. Right. Yeah, Jen is. She has her toes out

00:48:46.260 --> 00:48:48.719
when it's 10 degrees. Yes. And it goes, hurry

00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:51.179
up. My feet are freezing. She's so mean to her.

00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:53.960
She is so mean to everyone. She's mean to like

00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:58.739
the Shaw squad, too. She is evil to them. Yes.

00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:03.519
Anyway. So they they're planning the party. Heather

00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:07.309
buys a little role or not Rolls Royces. Range

00:49:07.309 --> 00:49:10.349
rovers for the kids. It's adorable. The little

00:49:10.349 --> 00:49:13.110
like drivable ones. My nephew had one of those.

00:49:13.130 --> 00:49:14.989
It was adorable. There's one like behind you.

00:49:15.349 --> 00:49:22.090
Yeah. Yeah. Where are we at? I scrolled too far.

00:49:22.170 --> 00:49:25.469
Sorry. Talks about Mormon messaging around women.

00:49:26.110 --> 00:49:30.250
Oh, yeah. And. And she gets into the how her

00:49:30.250 --> 00:49:32.469
most important work is raising a family. And

00:49:32.469 --> 00:49:34.929
then she kind of she talks about how life kind

00:49:34.929 --> 00:49:36.429
of stopped for her when she was getting divorced

00:49:36.429 --> 00:49:40.829
and she started getting emotional. And I thought,

00:49:40.929 --> 00:49:44.650
like, I've read the book and everything that

00:49:44.650 --> 00:49:48.349
I think this was all much closer together than

00:49:48.349 --> 00:49:49.949
I thought, because I was like, oh, she's been

00:49:49.949 --> 00:49:53.170
divorced for years at this point. Well, it's

00:49:53.170 --> 00:49:57.949
fuzzy because. I do think she's been divorced

00:49:57.949 --> 00:50:01.489
or at least separated for years at this point

00:50:01.489 --> 00:50:05.869
because the divorce is settled. Like she's not

00:50:05.869 --> 00:50:07.929
going through it anymore. And that takes a long

00:50:07.929 --> 00:50:11.829
time. Sure. Especially in Utah. Their divorce

00:50:11.829 --> 00:50:16.329
laws are very hard to navigate. And did she have

00:50:16.329 --> 00:50:19.829
beauty lab while she was still married? I don't

00:50:19.829 --> 00:50:22.610
think so. I don't think so. So like she has been

00:50:22.610 --> 00:50:26.539
divorced for years. I feel like it does seem

00:50:26.539 --> 00:50:29.880
raw, but I feel like she it's less to do with

00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:33.380
her ex -husband and more to do with like her

00:50:33.380 --> 00:50:35.760
internal feelings that she needs to deal with.

00:50:35.900 --> 00:50:40.199
Oh, absolutely. She gets into how in a confessional

00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:42.500
she didn't get married for love, but she was

00:50:42.500 --> 00:50:45.119
doing what she thought was expected of her. And

00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:48.619
we also get into her talking about how she feels

00:50:48.619 --> 00:50:50.619
like the expectation was that she stayed married,

00:50:50.699 --> 00:50:52.920
even though she was absolutely miserable in her

00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:57.980
marriage. And I've seen this play out a million

00:50:57.980 --> 00:50:59.960
times. I've seen marriages where people stay

00:50:59.960 --> 00:51:01.940
together because they think the church wants

00:51:01.940 --> 00:51:03.900
them to or like their family wants them to, whatever

00:51:03.900 --> 00:51:09.480
the case may be. And I have seen marriages that

00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:11.820
have fallen apart because they thought they were

00:51:11.820 --> 00:51:14.380
supposed to stay together. Well, Jen asks her,

00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:17.260
she's like, if you could have stayed in your

00:51:17.260 --> 00:51:19.679
marriage, even though you were miserable, would

00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:22.719
you have? And she was like, yes, without a doubt.

00:51:22.780 --> 00:51:27.460
Yes. And that's so it was like the most eye opening

00:51:27.460 --> 00:51:30.179
scene for me to see, because she talks about

00:51:30.179 --> 00:51:32.599
how unhappy she was and how horrible it was and

00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:35.519
how they didn't align on anything. And she still

00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:38.619
is saying, if given the opportunity, I would

00:51:38.619 --> 00:51:41.340
have stayed in my marriage, which is insane.

00:51:41.460 --> 00:51:45.519
And I think she resents a little bit that it

00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:47.860
was Billy's choice to leave because they do get

00:51:47.860 --> 00:51:51.179
into that eventually where. yeah well it's clear

00:51:51.179 --> 00:51:54.460
in this episode to me because she acts like she

00:51:54.460 --> 00:51:57.360
would have done anything to stay in that marriage

00:51:57.360 --> 00:51:59.340
because that's what the church wants her to do

00:51:59.340 --> 00:52:05.119
right which sucks um But Jen was a nightmare

00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:06.800
in the first couple of episodes. I think she

00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:09.219
did a really, really good job of being supportive

00:52:09.219 --> 00:52:10.800
of Heather right here and being like, no, you

00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:12.480
need to be a good example for your daughters.

00:52:12.539 --> 00:52:14.619
Like you're doing the right thing. And like with

00:52:14.619 --> 00:52:17.420
this divorce, I think. Yeah. Jen did the right

00:52:17.420 --> 00:52:20.380
thing here. She did say she was like, would you

00:52:20.380 --> 00:52:22.179
tell your daughters to do the same thing? And

00:52:22.179 --> 00:52:26.159
that's where like Heather had a pause and was

00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:29.019
like, no, I wouldn't tell my daughters to be

00:52:29.019 --> 00:52:31.019
miserable in a marriage. And I think that really

00:52:31.019 --> 00:52:33.960
did kind of like. Open something up for her.

00:52:34.099 --> 00:52:36.940
Oh, for sure. We go to Meredith's house where

00:52:36.940 --> 00:52:40.320
she's making cocktails. Meredith starts the blender.

00:52:41.719 --> 00:52:44.760
And it's this whole trope. They've done it on

00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:49.059
every single city of housewives. But she starts

00:52:49.059 --> 00:52:50.739
the blender without the top being on. And Chloe

00:52:50.739 --> 00:52:53.699
and Brooks come down and they are the opposite

00:52:53.699 --> 00:52:56.440
of helpful. Like they are the most unhelpful

00:52:56.440 --> 00:53:00.239
children. Brooks is like, Mom, what are you doing?

00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:04.460
I do believe obviously Meredith is a good mother

00:53:04.460 --> 00:53:08.940
and I'm sure Seth is a good dad, but yeah, those

00:53:08.940 --> 00:53:12.300
kids don't know how to clean up anything. No,

00:53:12.380 --> 00:53:14.079
because they've had help their whole lives. Like

00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:16.900
Meredith has had a housekeeper forever. That's

00:53:16.900 --> 00:53:20.519
fine. But like the way Brooks and Chloe were

00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:29.800
just like, mom, you made a mess. I also wrote

00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:35.960
Meredith, like Meredith will be my my Jesse for

00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:37.940
Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, where like

00:53:37.940 --> 00:53:40.079
every time they come on screen, I just write.

00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:43.099
Meredith has a really beautiful family. Yeah.

00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:48.360
Like they're all very pretty. Yeah. Jen shows

00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:51.500
up and brings her assistance with her to spend

00:53:51.500 --> 00:53:53.539
time with Meredith. She brings Marillo and Crystal

00:53:53.539 --> 00:53:58.130
and I. I don't, why does she bring them everywhere?

00:53:58.250 --> 00:53:59.730
Why is she always bringing the shot spot around?

00:54:00.070 --> 00:54:03.070
I think she thinks it's like a status symbol

00:54:03.070 --> 00:54:10.409
to have a staff, which is weird. Okay. Jen gives

00:54:10.409 --> 00:54:12.030
us a confessional where she explains that she

00:54:12.030 --> 00:54:14.030
and Meredith have very similar situations where

00:54:14.030 --> 00:54:15.829
their husbands are constantly away for work.

00:54:15.969 --> 00:54:18.550
And then we cut to Jen doing high kicks on the

00:54:18.550 --> 00:54:20.809
couch where we find out she's not wearing underwear.

00:54:21.070 --> 00:54:24.409
And Brooks goes into a confessional says and

00:54:24.409 --> 00:54:27.130
says that he's uncomfortable because Jen's vagina

00:54:27.130 --> 00:54:32.389
is in his face. And I feel like. This situation

00:54:32.389 --> 00:54:35.550
and we we come you will come to find out that

00:54:35.550 --> 00:54:37.989
this situation is blown up over the next two

00:54:37.989 --> 00:54:40.650
seasons. Oh, yeah, 100 percent. It doesn't stop.

00:54:40.889 --> 00:54:43.150
Do you want to know what I think about it? Tell

00:54:43.150 --> 00:54:45.230
me what you think. I think Brooks doesn't like

00:54:45.230 --> 00:54:49.130
Jen. OK, I think that's where this all started,

00:54:49.289 --> 00:54:52.369
is that Brooks is a little protective of his

00:54:52.369 --> 00:54:58.510
mom, which is fine. Sure. And doesn't like. his

00:54:58.510 --> 00:55:00.650
mom being friends with jen and he thought this

00:55:00.650 --> 00:55:03.110
would be a way to get them to stop being friends

00:55:03.110 --> 00:55:05.610
i never even once considered that that's actually

00:55:05.610 --> 00:55:08.150
probably a really good point just based on how

00:55:08.150 --> 00:55:12.590
everything plays out but i i looked at it from

00:55:12.590 --> 00:55:14.389
like if you look at the angles of where brooks

00:55:14.389 --> 00:55:16.710
is sitting of where jen is sitting of where like

00:55:16.710 --> 00:55:22.510
of where her cut is facing and he she obviously

00:55:22.510 --> 00:55:26.119
wasn't trying to flash this little boy right

00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:29.519
she mind you they're by the way they're all adults

00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:32.219
he's 21 years old yeah but she wasn't trying

00:55:32.219 --> 00:55:34.239
to flash him she wasn't trying to flash anybody

00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:37.840
he could have just moved to a different spot

00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:42.760
if it was really that serious like it if he saw

00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:45.000
anything though i feel like just based on the

00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:47.659
angles based on everything it was so quick like

00:55:47.659 --> 00:55:51.960
he saw her cooch for one second yeah and like

00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:55.139
what okay yeah it's not like she hiked up her

00:55:55.139 --> 00:55:58.039
skirt or anything like she was just it's not

00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:01.440
like he was at a burlesque show with the the

00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:05.460
mormon wives hitting a joint out of a vag like

00:56:05.460 --> 00:56:09.300
it was wild but it becomes this becomes a major

00:56:09.300 --> 00:56:12.880
plot point over the next two seasons and at the

00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:15.500
end of this like brooks and chloe leave because

00:56:15.500 --> 00:56:17.179
they need to go to best buy to get away from

00:56:17.179 --> 00:56:20.179
jen and i was like oh jesus christ like here's

00:56:20.179 --> 00:56:22.119
the thing i get it if you're uncomfortable yeah

00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:26.900
sure leave but like it felt like a little much

00:56:26.900 --> 00:56:29.659
you couldn't just go to your bedroom yeah you

00:56:29.659 --> 00:56:32.920
couldn't just you're going best buy well i don't

00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:35.960
know the last time i went to a best buy i had

00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:38.420
to go for some reason i don't remember what it

00:56:38.420 --> 00:56:42.460
was for i don't know We go to Lisa taking Jack

00:56:42.460 --> 00:56:44.659
out for a driving lesson. Jack says he has a

00:56:44.659 --> 00:56:46.679
strong pull out game as he's packing out of the

00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:50.420
driveway. Oh, my God. Just can't stop. Won't

00:56:50.420 --> 00:56:55.900
stop. No, I could not get in a car and drive

00:56:55.900 --> 00:56:57.780
with Lisa. The passenger seat. There's no fucking

00:56:57.780 --> 00:57:01.639
way. Why? Because I know for a fact she'd be

00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:03.519
like, do you see that? Do you see that? Do you

00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:07.079
see that? Like, it would be like I'm talking

00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:09.480
as someone who's had a driver's license for 20

00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:12.949
years. No, I feel like she's only like that because

00:57:12.949 --> 00:57:15.349
he's learning to drive. But I don't know. You're

00:57:15.349 --> 00:57:16.809
telling me she's not like that with John Barlow.

00:57:17.849 --> 00:57:20.650
Hundred percent. She's throwing things out the

00:57:20.650 --> 00:57:26.510
window with John Barlow. I just I wouldn't be

00:57:26.510 --> 00:57:28.110
able to do it. I would love to be in a car with

00:57:28.110 --> 00:57:30.489
Lisa. Could not be the driver in a car with Lisa.

00:57:30.530 --> 00:57:37.789
No way. And then. I fully forgot Henry was in

00:57:37.789 --> 00:57:39.670
the backseat, just like living his little life.

00:57:39.750 --> 00:57:46.789
He's just having a time. Mary goes out for dinner

00:57:46.789 --> 00:57:49.090
with Meredith, and I feel like these are two

00:57:49.090 --> 00:57:53.570
people I would love to have dinner with. No,

00:57:53.590 --> 00:57:57.610
I don't like Mary. I really don't like it. No.

00:57:57.789 --> 00:58:03.820
OK, you haven't gotten into. Seasons four and

00:58:03.820 --> 00:58:07.000
five were like, I shouldn't take four seasons

00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:09.139
for me to like someone. It shouldn't. You're

00:58:09.139 --> 00:58:11.199
100 percent right. I don't. I get where you're

00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:14.639
coming from. And I think I looked at this season

00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:16.219
like looking back because, you know, I've watched

00:58:16.219 --> 00:58:20.440
I've watched these episodes 4000 times. I looked

00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:22.460
at it through the lens of like everything I know

00:58:22.460 --> 00:58:29.440
now. Yeah, I. I think Mary would like even even

00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:32.530
knowing her just from season one. I think Mary

00:58:32.530 --> 00:58:34.550
would be so funny just to sit down and listen

00:58:34.550 --> 00:58:37.949
to her talk. She's so funny. I'm just like not

00:58:37.949 --> 00:58:42.809
interested in someone who I pretty much know

00:58:42.809 --> 00:58:45.610
without a shadow of a doubt. 90 % of the time

00:58:45.610 --> 00:58:47.989
she's just not being authentic with me. Okay.

00:58:48.070 --> 00:58:52.389
She's putting on a facade. She is getting her

00:58:52.389 --> 00:58:56.960
Chanel out of one of her 16 closets. And meeting

00:58:56.960 --> 00:58:59.739
me and telling me what I want to hear or being

00:58:59.739 --> 00:59:02.119
catty as fuck just depends which Mary you get.

00:59:02.500 --> 00:59:05.440
Like, I don't, I just don't like her. That's

00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:10.639
fair. And I also feel like she, I'm not going

00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:14.460
to sit here and defend religion ever, but she

00:59:14.460 --> 00:59:16.940
doesn't act like the first lady of a church either.

00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:19.079
I don't disagree with that. She does not take

00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:22.619
that seriously, which to me is strange. I agree.

00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:25.000
Especially after you inherited that from your

00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:28.110
grandma. you would think you would take it more

00:59:28.110 --> 00:59:33.210
seriously yeah anyway i also and again me defending

00:59:33.210 --> 00:59:36.230
mary i think she is damaged i think that there

00:59:36.230 --> 00:59:38.730
is a lot there and i'm not defending her hurt

00:59:38.730 --> 00:59:41.309
people hurt people but that doesn't make me like

00:59:41.309 --> 00:59:44.610
her that's fair um One thing that Andy Cohen

00:59:44.610 --> 00:59:46.570
has talked a lot about is making sure producers

00:59:46.570 --> 00:59:48.590
include footage of Real Housewives ordering.

00:59:48.789 --> 00:59:50.670
And I love that just in general. I love knowing

00:59:50.670 --> 00:59:53.170
what people eat. Oh, 100%. I want to know what

00:59:53.170 --> 00:59:55.010
your order is. If anything, I wish they showed

00:59:55.010 --> 00:59:57.030
us the whole menu and then showed us what you

00:59:57.030 --> 00:59:59.110
ordered. Yes. Because I feel like I would understand

00:59:59.110 --> 01:00:01.429
your brain so well. I have on many occasions,

01:00:01.510 --> 01:00:04.530
like when they show the shot of like the restaurant,

01:00:04.630 --> 01:00:10.500
I will look up their menu. They go to this place

01:00:10.500 --> 01:00:12.639
called Walter's. By the way, when we go to Salt

01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:14.480
Lake City for a live show one day, we're going

01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:16.219
to this place called Walter's. Walter has since

01:00:16.219 --> 01:00:21.340
passed. But the restaurant is it's real Italian

01:00:21.340 --> 01:00:27.260
food. And I want to go so bad. Mary talks about

01:00:27.260 --> 01:00:28.900
how she's been super close to her son, Robert

01:00:28.900 --> 01:00:31.219
Jr., for his whole life. And now that he's 17

01:00:31.219 --> 01:00:33.199
and dating a girl for the first time, he isn't

01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:34.880
hanging around her as much. And she's having

01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:37.860
a hard time with that. Which I totally get. Yeah,

01:00:37.900 --> 01:00:41.699
I totally get the way she goes about it. I do

01:00:41.699 --> 01:00:44.079
not support, but we're not there yet. Yes, I

01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:49.260
agree. Meredith gives really good advice, which

01:00:49.260 --> 01:00:51.380
was not shocking to me hearing the way she talked.

01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:53.539
I was like, oh, she's a very thoughtful individual.

01:00:53.900 --> 01:00:57.699
Yeah. And I feel like she like would meet anyone

01:00:57.699 --> 01:00:59.579
on the street, like hear a problem, be like,

01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:00.900
this is what you need to do. And it would be

01:01:00.900 --> 01:01:03.099
the best advice. I feel like she is an empath.

01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:07.570
And she also like. isn't afraid to tell you exactly

01:01:07.570 --> 01:01:10.630
how it is like she's she will say the hard thing

01:01:10.630 --> 01:01:13.929
mary gets into because we we don't hear a lot

01:01:13.929 --> 01:01:16.849
about this until like later on but we get into

01:01:16.849 --> 01:01:19.050
mary talking about how her marriage has turned

01:01:19.050 --> 01:01:22.030
into more of a partnership and her marriage was

01:01:22.030 --> 01:01:25.530
arranged and leaving isn't an option i put arranged

01:01:25.530 --> 01:01:31.349
in quotations because i I have a lot of questions

01:01:31.349 --> 01:01:34.289
about this. Well, here's the thing. It was arranged

01:01:34.289 --> 01:01:36.949
for someone. It didn't have to be you, Mary.

01:01:37.329 --> 01:01:41.809
You wanted it. You chose this. I... Your mom

01:01:41.809 --> 01:01:43.889
could have taken it. Your mom is mad you didn't

01:01:43.889 --> 01:01:54.429
let her take it. Okay. That is true. Again, I

01:01:54.429 --> 01:01:59.119
feel like Mary is damaged. yeah but aren't we

01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:03.519
all sure you poor thing you poor poor thing you

01:02:03.519 --> 01:02:05.300
poor millionaire you're gonna have to move to

01:02:05.300 --> 01:02:07.420
one of your other closets to cry it out for a

01:02:07.420 --> 01:02:12.119
change of scenery I feel so sorry for you um

01:02:14.259 --> 01:02:17.400
She she talks about how she has beauty in all

01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:20.360
of her mess, and she recognizes that her marriage

01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:22.840
is weird, but she did it because she trusted

01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:24.920
her grandma. And she shares that she disconnected

01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:27.019
from her mom when she was 19 years old because

01:02:27.019 --> 01:02:29.460
her mom wanted to take Mama Cosby's spot in the

01:02:29.460 --> 01:02:33.880
church. And this is where I start to get super

01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:35.420
uncomfortable, because in a confessional, one

01:02:35.420 --> 01:02:37.039
of the producers asked, like, did you guys sleep

01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:38.519
together on the first night? And she goes, no,

01:02:38.619 --> 01:02:41.360
I was on my period. For a month. For 28 days

01:02:41.360 --> 01:02:42.820
she was on her period. She says she was on her

01:02:42.820 --> 01:02:48.119
period for a month. However, you chose it. And

01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:52.599
why is leaving not an option, Mary? Why? I don't

01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:56.739
know. And like part of me wonders if... He gets

01:02:56.739 --> 01:03:00.019
the money. Well, that. Well, yeah, because it's...

01:03:00.019 --> 01:03:03.500
I don't know how that works after you're married

01:03:03.500 --> 01:03:05.119
and divorced because like half of the assets

01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:09.239
ostensibly would be yours. But... My I have a

01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:11.519
lot of questions about like, did she choose this

01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:17.260
or was she pushed into this by Robert Sr.? Like,

01:03:17.260 --> 01:03:20.400
that's because you think like she didn't step

01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:24.519
up. He chose her. Yes, I have a because I'm like,

01:03:24.619 --> 01:03:27.340
what? What night? She was she was married. Like

01:03:27.340 --> 01:03:30.559
Mary was married before this. What 19 year old

01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:32.960
would choose that? Tell me. Like, unless it's

01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:35.119
truly for the money. I mean, think about how

01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:39.300
many 19 year olds are. Looking for sugar daddies.

01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:42.940
It's the same thing. But like, think about like

01:03:42.940 --> 01:03:46.380
my grandma, Kathy, Larry's wife. Let's just say

01:03:46.380 --> 01:03:49.019
Larry dies and they're sitting, I mean, they're

01:03:49.019 --> 01:03:51.139
sitting on not as much money as like my granny

01:03:51.139 --> 01:03:52.659
and pap will have, but they're sitting on a pretty

01:03:52.659 --> 01:03:54.179
good chunk of money. Like neither one of them

01:03:54.179 --> 01:03:57.880
have to work. And let's just say Kathy comes

01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:01.659
to me and says, Hey, I'm lonely. Like for me,

01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:05.469
I'm like, I wouldn't choose that. No. Do you

01:04:05.469 --> 01:04:09.789
know what I mean? Yeah, but who forced her up

01:04:09.789 --> 01:04:13.409
on the altar? Well, and that's where I come back

01:04:13.409 --> 01:04:15.489
to. Like, I think the religion plays into it

01:04:15.489 --> 01:04:17.690
a little bit because I'm like, I truly if you.

01:04:17.889 --> 01:04:21.190
She doesn't cite religion as the reason she can't

01:04:21.190 --> 01:04:24.449
leave. But at some point they start to talk about

01:04:24.449 --> 01:04:27.269
how people used to believe Mama Cosby was God.

01:04:28.110 --> 01:04:30.980
And. That's where this church gets into. And

01:04:30.980 --> 01:04:33.400
like, I wonder if Mary believes that. I wonder

01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:37.679
if Mama Cosby, if she believed, oh, yeah, like

01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:39.980
God's telling me to marry this man. I wonder

01:04:39.980 --> 01:04:43.480
if this is purely speculation. Yeah, no. And

01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:47.420
I do believe he is strange for going along with

01:04:47.420 --> 01:04:50.579
this whole arrangement. And I don't think he's

01:04:50.579 --> 01:04:53.880
just going along with it. I do believe he's perpetuating

01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:59.289
it. Yes. However, Mary is a grown woman. Sure.

01:04:59.369 --> 01:05:04.090
Who has chosen not to stand up for herself. And

01:05:04.090 --> 01:05:07.250
so at some point you have to turn the weirdness

01:05:07.250 --> 01:05:10.750
off. Okay. Like. That's fair. If you're going

01:05:10.750 --> 01:05:14.550
to choose to set this example, then set it. Sure.

01:05:14.769 --> 01:05:17.750
And I just don't, I don't know. Something about

01:05:17.750 --> 01:05:19.550
it just does not sit right with me. The whole

01:05:19.550 --> 01:05:21.550
thing is weird to me. And I do have sympathy

01:05:21.550 --> 01:05:23.949
for her. I don't like her, but I do have sympathy

01:05:23.949 --> 01:05:26.800
for her. Yes. And if for nothing else than to

01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:29.659
say like, oh, the entire world is talking about

01:05:29.659 --> 01:05:31.480
how fucked up and weird your marriage is. I feel

01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:34.920
bad for that. Yes and no, because she did choose

01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:36.960
to be on the show and she knew that she was going

01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:40.280
to have to talk about it. I just, I don't know.

01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:42.980
Part of me wishes she would have just been a

01:05:42.980 --> 01:05:46.599
lot more forthright with about everything. The

01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:49.340
whole situation from start to finish. I 100 %

01:05:49.340 --> 01:05:54.070
agree. Because. No matter how deep it goes, no

01:05:54.070 --> 01:05:58.909
matter how fucked up it is, people will understand

01:05:58.909 --> 01:06:02.210
if you give them something to understand. Like

01:06:02.210 --> 01:06:04.690
people will either side with you or against you

01:06:04.690 --> 01:06:08.570
either way. So you should just let it out. And

01:06:08.570 --> 01:06:12.610
I think that we get that in season four. I will

01:06:12.610 --> 01:06:16.199
tell you that like in season. between seasons

01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:18.659
four and five like we start to really understand

01:06:18.659 --> 01:06:22.380
who mary is as a person as and more so as a mother

01:06:22.380 --> 01:06:26.340
and as i think she's an excellent mom oh you

01:06:26.340 --> 01:06:29.039
what i've seen when you get really into it though

01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:32.019
like it you find out how good she actually is

01:06:32.539 --> 01:06:35.599
Yeah, I can 100 % see that. I haven't seen season

01:06:35.599 --> 01:06:39.219
four, but I can 100 % see Mary being an amazing

01:06:39.219 --> 01:06:41.980
mom. And I do see that in seasons one and two,

01:06:42.039 --> 01:06:45.980
what I've seen. She's a great mom. My problem

01:06:45.980 --> 01:06:49.099
is not with her as a mother. It's not with her

01:06:49.099 --> 01:06:51.239
as a wife. I don't care how a woman is as a wife.

01:06:51.300 --> 01:06:54.960
I'll just say that. It's her as a person. She

01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:58.860
comes off like she's always trying to hide something.

01:06:59.449 --> 01:07:02.829
I do agree with that. At all times. And people

01:07:02.829 --> 01:07:04.909
like that just make me so severely uncomfortable.

01:07:05.409 --> 01:07:07.690
Okay. Because I'm very open book. I'll tell anybody

01:07:07.690 --> 01:07:09.690
anything. Oh, for sure. And so like people who

01:07:09.690 --> 01:07:13.210
just always come off as not being 100 % honest

01:07:13.210 --> 01:07:16.110
or like they're hiding something just, I don't

01:07:16.110 --> 01:07:20.480
like it. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah. Anyway, Mary

01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:24.420
invites Meredith to come to her church. And I

01:07:24.420 --> 01:07:27.139
feel like Meredith was really, really supportive.

01:07:27.340 --> 01:07:29.599
And like, I, I appreciate this about Meredith

01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:31.360
because like, it would be like me being like,

01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:33.280
yeah, I'll go to your church. Cause it's not

01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:36.139
her religion. It's not anything to do with her,

01:07:36.179 --> 01:07:38.219
but I feel like she was really excited to check

01:07:38.219 --> 01:07:40.800
out Faith Temple. Yeah. I feel like it's like

01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:42.980
every time I've ever been invited to church where

01:07:42.980 --> 01:07:49.380
it's like, yeah. As a guest. I will come as a

01:07:49.380 --> 01:07:52.460
spectator. Thank you. Yes, that is 100 % the

01:07:52.460 --> 01:07:55.940
vibe. We go over to Meredith's house where Meredith

01:07:55.940 --> 01:07:58.400
and Brooks are making guacamole. And Brooks gets

01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:00.480
into how he took a semester off to support his

01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:02.219
mom during the separation. Diva, you wanted to

01:08:02.219 --> 01:08:04.579
be on the show, girl. They talked about it in

01:08:04.579 --> 01:08:06.380
the first episode, too. I don't know why he brings

01:08:06.380 --> 01:08:11.539
it back up. Like, OK. OK, girl. They unpack how

01:08:11.539 --> 01:08:13.719
Brooks and Chloe were uncomfortable with Jen.

01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:17.479
her cooch being out and then he starts getting

01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:19.939
annoying about the high kicks like I if okay

01:08:19.939 --> 01:08:24.760
here's where I fall on this issue he could have

01:08:24.760 --> 01:08:26.760
just said to his mom hey the whole thing was

01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:29.439
weird and it made me uncomfortable more than

01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:32.159
that I think I think he needs to come to his

01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:35.279
mom and be like I don't like her I don't like

01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:38.079
being around her and I live here too but if it's

01:08:38.079 --> 01:08:42.500
for the cameras just say Yeah. That her cut being

01:08:42.500 --> 01:08:45.579
out made me uncomfortable. He went on and on

01:08:45.579 --> 01:08:51.180
and on and on and on. And then he turned it into

01:08:51.180 --> 01:08:54.500
you're the CEO of Meredith Marks Brands. You

01:08:54.500 --> 01:08:56.800
don't have time for this. And I was like, oh,

01:08:56.920 --> 01:08:59.479
I don't like this because now you're trying to

01:08:59.479 --> 01:09:01.340
say like who your mom can and can't hang out

01:09:01.340 --> 01:09:04.500
with. Which is weird. Right. It would be so much

01:09:04.500 --> 01:09:08.430
easier to just say. Hey, Jen makes me uncomfortable

01:09:08.430 --> 01:09:12.229
and I live here too. Right. Can she not come

01:09:12.229 --> 01:09:15.930
over? Yeah. And I feel like Meredith as a mother

01:09:15.930 --> 01:09:18.569
would 100 % be like, okay, yeah, I don't want

01:09:18.569 --> 01:09:21.250
to put you in a situation. Well, that's ultimately

01:09:21.250 --> 01:09:23.489
where she ended up, but it was just like him

01:09:23.489 --> 01:09:24.810
pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing.

01:09:25.069 --> 01:09:27.409
Yeah. And then Jen was supposed to come over

01:09:27.409 --> 01:09:29.930
for a sleepover and Brooks decides that simply

01:09:29.930 --> 01:09:32.090
isn't going to happen. So Meredith has to text

01:09:32.090 --> 01:09:35.539
her and cancel, which becomes. a whole thing

01:09:35.539 --> 01:09:39.479
yeah i would think this is this was surprising

01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:44.420
to me because i genuinely thought jen would try

01:09:44.420 --> 01:09:47.420
to see it from like her son's perspective oh

01:09:47.420 --> 01:09:51.159
no and like i genuinely thought that she would

01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:55.600
be like oh okay and be like if anything like

01:09:55.600 --> 01:09:58.039
a little embarrassed about it that's that's not

01:09:58.039 --> 01:10:00.739
what jen was told though jen was told oh chloe's

01:10:00.739 --> 01:10:05.210
gonna be home for the weekend yeah no that's

01:10:05.210 --> 01:10:09.750
no because but also at the same time when jen

01:10:09.750 --> 01:10:14.189
found out about this and this is we get into

01:10:14.189 --> 01:10:16.609
this at the beginning of season two but spoiler

01:10:16.609 --> 01:10:19.729
we find out that jen starts retweeting not retweeting

01:10:19.729 --> 01:10:21.949
i'm sorry she starts liking homophobic contents

01:10:21.949 --> 01:10:24.789
about her uh homophobic tweets about brooks and

01:10:24.789 --> 01:10:30.250
yeah and all of this and he hasn't come out at

01:10:30.250 --> 01:10:35.739
this point on the show wow I'll let you take

01:10:35.739 --> 01:10:41.199
that one. I will say it was assumed. But that's

01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:43.699
not fair. No one should be outed by assumption.

01:10:44.100 --> 01:10:52.560
Absolutely. However. Okay. With that being said.

01:10:52.779 --> 01:10:56.439
Okay, baby. Yeah. Whatever you need. But he does

01:10:56.439 --> 01:10:59.590
talk about it in season two and he's like. I

01:10:59.590 --> 01:11:02.770
never got to like have that be my news. And that

01:11:02.770 --> 01:11:05.010
makes me sad. Sure. I don't ever want to see

01:11:05.010 --> 01:11:08.270
someone be outed against their will. Right. 100

01:11:08.270 --> 01:11:12.130
percent. But so it's never this was never about.

01:11:13.369 --> 01:11:17.350
Until Jen saw it on the on the show, we never

01:11:17.350 --> 01:11:19.850
knew why she was being uninvited. Yeah. Right.

01:11:20.369 --> 01:11:23.250
So. We go over to Mary's house. Mary and Robert

01:11:23.250 --> 01:11:24.869
Senior are talking about finding a new school

01:11:24.869 --> 01:11:26.689
for Robert Junior because he's not learning anything

01:11:26.689 --> 01:11:28.789
where he's at. And he's literally 17 years old.

01:11:28.850 --> 01:11:31.989
So he's he's a junior in high school, at least.

01:11:31.989 --> 01:11:34.489
Right. Well, it's not about the school. Well,

01:11:34.550 --> 01:11:37.010
obviously, it's about his little girlfriend.

01:11:37.250 --> 01:11:42.350
Well, it's we you will come to find out more

01:11:42.350 --> 01:11:44.770
later that it's not just this like this. This

01:11:44.770 --> 01:11:48.069
is season five. I think you figure out what it's

01:11:48.069 --> 01:11:52.329
really about. Well, I remember. Not long after

01:11:52.329 --> 01:11:55.329
this, Mary starts talking about how she doesn't

01:11:55.329 --> 01:11:57.470
like his little girlfriend. Well, no, she's talking

01:11:57.470 --> 01:12:00.569
about it at dinner with Meredith. You're you're

01:12:00.569 --> 01:12:03.149
going to really find out why, though. It's bad.

01:12:03.670 --> 01:12:10.149
Oh, OK. So but that's the thing is, like, I don't

01:12:10.149 --> 01:12:11.909
like this whole conversation. Like, oh, let's

01:12:11.909 --> 01:12:14.090
move. I agree with you. It's 100 percent about

01:12:14.090 --> 01:12:15.909
the girlfriend, because I don't think they knew

01:12:15.909 --> 01:12:18.210
the depth of what was going on here at this point.

01:12:18.229 --> 01:12:22.470
That being said. It is a weird time. Like, why

01:12:22.470 --> 01:12:25.109
would you be like, yeah, I know you've been at

01:12:25.109 --> 01:12:26.489
this school your whole life and you're going

01:12:26.489 --> 01:12:28.550
to graduate next year. But how about we move

01:12:28.550 --> 01:12:32.750
you to a boarding school? Can you imagine? No.

01:12:33.409 --> 01:12:37.789
We get a confessional from Mary about how. Oh,

01:12:37.869 --> 01:12:40.250
Jesus Christ. She had to she had to get to know

01:12:40.250 --> 01:12:42.729
Robert Senior after they got married and how

01:12:42.729 --> 01:12:45.189
if she had to pick a guy, this is the guy that

01:12:45.189 --> 01:12:47.710
she would pick. And after Mary had Robert Junior,

01:12:47.989 --> 01:12:52.699
Mary. drifted into being a mom and Robert Sr.

01:12:52.840 --> 01:12:56.300
drifted into being Robert Sr. I think it's an

01:12:56.300 --> 01:13:00.640
age thing with that, to be fair. Like he had

01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:04.119
done the song and dance of being at least a stepdad

01:13:04.119 --> 01:13:08.680
when he was with her grandma. And so it's like

01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:12.800
he's not he's not in a stage of his life where

01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:16.260
like he wants to take care of a baby. And that's

01:13:16.260 --> 01:13:21.279
just where we're at. Yeah. But Robert Jr. comes

01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:23.779
down and Mary tries to convince him that he should

01:13:23.779 --> 01:13:26.239
go to the sporting school in Los Angeles. And

01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:32.659
I forgot that I wrote this. If if Robert Sr.

01:13:32.939 --> 01:13:35.840
is Mary's step grandfather, does that make Robert

01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:39.899
Jr. Does that make him Robert Jr.'s great grandfather

01:13:39.899 --> 01:13:43.500
and his dad? Or like, I don't understand how

01:13:43.500 --> 01:13:46.520
that works. Step great grandpa and also dad.

01:13:47.940 --> 01:13:50.039
I don't know. That's a lot to unpack. I don't

01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:53.560
know what to do with that. Yeah, me neither.

01:13:53.720 --> 01:13:56.579
I might cut that, too. I'm calling the police.

01:13:59.220 --> 01:14:03.260
We I don't know what that is. We go over to.

01:14:05.140 --> 01:14:08.359
I'm sorry, Mary's church and Whitney, Whitney's

01:14:08.359 --> 01:14:10.460
dad and Meredith are all showing up for the service.

01:14:11.340 --> 01:14:12.819
When he thought it would be a good idea to bring

01:14:12.819 --> 01:14:14.520
her dad to church because he's recovering from

01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:17.359
addiction. I go back and forth on this because

01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:19.399
like, yeah, it's a great place to find community.

01:14:19.420 --> 01:14:22.760
I don't like how predatory religion can be with

01:14:22.760 --> 01:14:27.279
people that are addicts. Yes. But I also like

01:14:27.279 --> 01:14:31.119
have firsthand seen someone who was addicted.

01:14:32.380 --> 01:14:35.539
finding the church and that like pulling them

01:14:35.539 --> 01:14:38.060
out of addiction which is amazing i love that

01:14:38.060 --> 01:14:41.880
if you need that then i want you to have it sure

01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:44.920
100 and that's where i'm like it's a case -by

01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:47.100
-case basis for me like i don't like churches

01:14:47.100 --> 01:14:50.000
finding these people i like people finding the

01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:52.279
church that's where i'm at with it right for

01:14:52.279 --> 01:14:57.310
sure um mary's Church is a lot like the Nazarene

01:14:57.310 --> 01:14:59.729
tent revivals that I used to go to as a little

01:14:59.729 --> 01:15:02.510
kid. There's people crying and jumping around.

01:15:02.869 --> 01:15:05.010
It's a lot. People are getting up and speaking

01:15:05.010 --> 01:15:11.310
in tongues. It's a lot. Yeah. And it's a lot

01:15:11.310 --> 01:15:16.250
of yelling. To me, it looks like emotional manipulation.

01:15:16.989 --> 01:15:19.329
But I've never been to a church like that. And

01:15:19.329 --> 01:15:21.810
I don't want to yuck someone's yum. If that's

01:15:21.810 --> 01:15:24.069
how you worship your God, then by all means.

01:15:24.890 --> 01:15:28.050
To me, it just seems like you're getting people

01:15:28.050 --> 01:15:31.250
worked up on purpose so that they will feel something.

01:15:31.470 --> 01:15:33.949
One day we're going to get into cry nights at

01:15:33.949 --> 01:15:37.489
church camp. Oh, I've been through that, actually.

01:15:37.609 --> 01:15:40.409
I went to a church camp, a sleepaway camp one

01:15:40.409 --> 01:15:44.729
time. They did not. They did not appreciate me

01:15:44.729 --> 01:15:47.869
at camp, whatever it was called. I'm not going

01:15:47.869 --> 01:15:53.899
to dox them. They didn't like me. Actually, one

01:15:53.899 --> 01:15:57.460
anecdote from that trip that I remember so vividly

01:15:57.460 --> 01:16:01.520
is we were sitting like on the Wabash River and

01:16:01.520 --> 01:16:03.479
we were supposed to be like reading our Bibles

01:16:03.479 --> 01:16:06.800
or something. And it was dead silent. And all

01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:10.340
of a sudden, my dumb ass just chimes in and goes,

01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:13.579
what's the difference between this and Catholicism?

01:16:16.720 --> 01:16:19.020
Oh, they did not like that. They didn't like

01:16:19.020 --> 01:16:25.100
it at all. Anyway, moving on. Yeah, they're at

01:16:25.100 --> 01:16:29.579
the church. It's a lot. It's a lot. Mary gets

01:16:29.579 --> 01:16:31.760
down to the congregation and goes over and starts

01:16:31.760 --> 01:16:34.000
praying over Whitney's dad and then just starts

01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:40.100
screaming, heal, heal. Yes, ma 'am. And I have

01:16:40.100 --> 01:16:42.359
seen this in real life. I have seen this happen.

01:16:42.619 --> 01:16:46.600
We're like. I I've seen, I've seen it go one

01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:48.659
of two ways, either like the person just starts

01:16:48.659 --> 01:16:50.680
crying, falls on their knees and like whatever,

01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:54.319
or the person like throws themselves on the ground,

01:16:54.399 --> 01:16:59.159
starts shaking and like, and the demons are released.

01:16:59.220 --> 01:17:02.920
Like I, I am telling you it is wild to see in

01:17:02.920 --> 01:17:04.760
real life. Cause I'm just like, I can't even

01:17:04.760 --> 01:17:07.699
imagine. I will tell you my uncle Kirby has talked

01:17:07.699 --> 01:17:12.399
very, very. Frankly, about like, yeah, when I

01:17:12.399 --> 01:17:15.319
was a little kid and like we because Dad Bolin

01:17:15.319 --> 01:17:18.659
used to take them to these church revivals. Dad

01:17:18.659 --> 01:17:22.500
Bolin took us to one of these revivals and they

01:17:22.500 --> 01:17:24.720
brought me up on the stage and they did this.

01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:27.340
And I just started speaking in tongues because

01:17:27.340 --> 01:17:31.720
I thought I was supposed to. Yeah, I have been

01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:34.539
to one church where I know that they acted like

01:17:34.539 --> 01:17:38.359
that from third party stories. But like when

01:17:38.359 --> 01:17:42.000
I went. I was with like the pastor's son and

01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:43.659
some other friends. And so we just like played

01:17:43.659 --> 01:17:47.000
basketball. And I am so glad I wasn't in that

01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:49.600
congregation because I know I would just like

01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:53.039
look confused. And that's not the energy you're

01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:55.420
supposed to get. You were supposed to be crying.

01:17:55.619 --> 01:17:59.340
Right. And I can't. My face is very readable.

01:18:00.279 --> 01:18:04.079
There's no lying. But all of my feelings about

01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:08.479
religion aside, you saw. the reaction that Whitney's

01:18:08.479 --> 01:18:12.319
dad had to it where he just starts crying. Yeah.

01:18:12.359 --> 01:18:14.659
And I was like, that is beautiful because like

01:18:14.659 --> 01:18:17.159
he felt like, and this is what I do feel about

01:18:17.159 --> 01:18:21.939
Mary as a pastor where she makes people feel

01:18:21.939 --> 01:18:24.220
love. And I think that like, granted that can

01:18:24.220 --> 01:18:26.020
be used for manipulation. I won't take that away

01:18:26.020 --> 01:18:29.199
from anyone, but I feel like Mary does turn that

01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:34.380
on. and yeah he needed that in this moment he

01:18:34.380 --> 01:18:38.539
felt seen and supported in that moment and i

01:18:38.539 --> 01:18:41.079
do feel like there's something to be said for

01:18:41.079 --> 01:18:47.560
as ironic as it is but for an addict going somewhere

01:18:47.560 --> 01:18:52.600
and not just being immediately judged and looked

01:18:52.600 --> 01:18:55.960
down upon but instead people like genuinely wanting

01:18:55.960 --> 01:18:59.890
to help you yeah Even if sometimes their motives

01:18:59.890 --> 01:19:01.409
aren't the best, like they're just trying to

01:19:01.409 --> 01:19:04.989
prove something. It's still like she genuinely

01:19:04.989 --> 01:19:08.310
wanted him to heal in that moment. Yeah. Instead

01:19:08.310 --> 01:19:11.409
of being like, oh, you little crackhead. You

01:19:11.409 --> 01:19:17.010
know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. We head over to

01:19:17.010 --> 01:19:19.649
Jen's house where the Shaw squad is helping her

01:19:19.649 --> 01:19:22.869
plan or look for the party for. I don't know

01:19:22.869 --> 01:19:26.590
if this is for the baby shower for for Whitney's

01:19:26.590 --> 01:19:30.239
party. But there are literally six people there,

01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:32.119
and she says that they all work for her every

01:19:32.119 --> 01:19:33.880
single day. How much is she paying these people,

01:19:33.939 --> 01:19:34.800
or do you think she's paying them? We've already

01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:38.880
brought this up. I don't know. I go back and

01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:41.880
forth on it. I don't think that they're making

01:19:41.880 --> 01:19:46.500
a livable wage, but also she was funneling in

01:19:46.500 --> 01:19:50.060
a lot of money. That's true. I don't know. I

01:19:50.060 --> 01:19:52.460
like I know some of them came to live with her

01:19:52.460 --> 01:19:54.479
at one point. Like, I mean, she's got this massive

01:19:54.479 --> 01:19:56.479
chalet. So maybe that like she's just like, oh,

01:19:56.539 --> 01:19:58.039
here you work for me. You get a place to live

01:19:58.039 --> 01:20:01.159
and like food. I don't know. Like, I watched

01:20:01.159 --> 01:20:04.699
a Netflix show that was like that. I can't. Oh,

01:20:04.939 --> 01:20:09.220
sirens. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We're like a live in

01:20:09.220 --> 01:20:11.939
assistant. But that was just one girl. Like,

01:20:12.020 --> 01:20:15.539
I can't imagine six people living in your house.

01:20:15.779 --> 01:20:18.300
Also. Two of the people had their faces blurred

01:20:18.300 --> 01:20:20.979
out and like part of me wonders like because

01:20:20.979 --> 01:20:23.079
they wouldn't say they will. They wouldn't sign

01:20:23.079 --> 01:20:24.819
the release. But like part of me wonders is like,

01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:28.340
did they know what was to come this early on?

01:20:28.779 --> 01:20:32.640
Well, I just wonder because Jen is awful to these

01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:36.380
people. I wonder what the turnover rate was like,

01:20:36.420 --> 01:20:39.439
like if they were done working for her before

01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:42.579
the season was even done filming. Maybe. Yeah.

01:20:42.760 --> 01:20:48.359
Oh, God. We at some point I want to watch this.

01:20:48.420 --> 01:20:50.979
We'll probably watch this after season two, but

01:20:50.979 --> 01:20:56.439
like the the Hulu documentary about like what

01:20:56.439 --> 01:20:58.880
was going on, because like you get into like

01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:01.279
her screaming at one of the assistants and like,

01:21:01.300 --> 01:21:06.520
yeah, I wonder like how often that was actually

01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:10.170
going on. Well, yeah, I don't I feel like she

01:21:10.170 --> 01:21:14.090
can't be paying these people a ton of money and

01:21:14.090 --> 01:21:17.289
she's so mean to them. Like you got to get people

01:21:17.289 --> 01:21:19.930
who are only there for a couple of months before

01:21:19.930 --> 01:21:22.909
they throw in the towel. I part of me wonders

01:21:22.909 --> 01:21:27.550
if Jen is someone who gay guys absolutely live

01:21:27.550 --> 01:21:30.510
for, like gay guys love a fabulous woman who

01:21:30.510 --> 01:21:33.189
is larger than life. And that is Jennifer Shaw.

01:21:33.329 --> 01:21:38.819
And I wonder if she like. use that to her advantage

01:21:38.819 --> 01:21:41.539
yeah I wonder if she's like oh come with mama

01:21:41.539 --> 01:21:44.100
shot and like I wonder if she was like better

01:21:44.100 --> 01:21:46.399
to the gay guys than she was to like Stu or whoever

01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:51.979
I don't know I don't know that was her right

01:21:51.979 --> 01:21:56.939
hand man and she was so mean to him oh well she

01:21:56.939 --> 01:21:59.699
got what she had coming if she was ever mean

01:21:59.699 --> 01:22:03.039
to him like because we find out like you'll see

01:22:03.039 --> 01:22:05.760
when the arrest happens but you'll find out that

01:22:05.760 --> 01:22:10.380
like He sold her out like you would not believe.

01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:14.560
And I believe that maybe he would have gone lighter

01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:19.800
on her if not for the way she treated him. I

01:22:19.800 --> 01:22:22.420
don't know. I love Jen Shaw, but that's one thing

01:22:22.420 --> 01:22:25.340
I cannot get past. Once you have a working relationship

01:22:25.340 --> 01:22:32.039
with her, she is mean. Just mean. We go over

01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:34.220
to Beauty Lab for the baby shower and everyone

01:22:34.220 --> 01:22:36.380
shows up and the party actually looks really

01:22:36.380 --> 01:22:39.979
fun. And I feel like it was very cute. And I

01:22:39.979 --> 01:22:43.439
feel like Heather, if she is. I say this. She's

01:22:43.439 --> 01:22:45.539
good at everything. Like, everything we've seen

01:22:45.539 --> 01:22:48.020
her do, she's good at. Yeah, pretty much. I feel

01:22:48.020 --> 01:22:51.159
like she is probably one of the best party planners.

01:22:51.279 --> 01:22:53.220
It's like, yeah, my mom putting on a party. Like,

01:22:53.220 --> 01:22:54.960
I feel like she was always the mom in the neighborhood

01:22:54.960 --> 01:22:57.380
where everyone wanted to be invited to her birthday

01:22:57.380 --> 01:22:59.819
parties. I feel like she's just very thoughtful.

01:23:00.359 --> 01:23:04.359
And she's, like, a very generous lady. Because,

01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:07.079
like, she had to have a pretty nice divorce settlement.

01:23:07.260 --> 01:23:10.079
And she's making money off of Beauty Lab. Billie's

01:23:10.079 --> 01:23:11.520
still taking care of her, too, at this point.

01:23:11.529 --> 01:23:14.670
yeah and so like she's not sparing a dime on

01:23:14.670 --> 01:23:17.350
anything either right which is yeah and so like

01:23:17.350 --> 01:23:20.409
you get all of those factors together and yeah

01:23:20.409 --> 01:23:23.170
she's amazing um heather gives us a confessional

01:23:23.170 --> 01:23:25.630
where she says that she that everything going

01:23:25.630 --> 01:23:28.390
on going on in her life has made her reevaluate

01:23:28.390 --> 01:23:30.350
things and she's decided that she wants to be

01:23:30.350 --> 01:23:33.329
supportive to her daughters figuring out what

01:23:33.329 --> 01:23:37.649
they believe on their own and for a person who

01:23:37.649 --> 01:23:42.420
is as religious as heather was yeah that is Huge.

01:23:42.560 --> 01:23:45.640
Right. And this is something that like I'm actually

01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:48.439
like it made me think a lot about Huck and like

01:23:48.439 --> 01:23:51.600
how Huck is my dad, dear listener. But like where

01:23:51.600 --> 01:23:54.760
he came to where he said, I cannot push my kids

01:23:54.760 --> 01:23:58.180
into the Nazarene church because of like how

01:23:58.180 --> 01:24:01.739
damaging I know it can be. And he let me and

01:24:01.739 --> 01:24:04.800
Zachary figure out what we believed in on our

01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:07.640
own. And I like that's impressive as hell. Well,

01:24:07.720 --> 01:24:11.899
both of my parents were. catholic growing up

01:24:11.899 --> 01:24:16.399
and they both like were so tired of feeling guilty

01:24:16.399 --> 01:24:19.600
and evil all the time that they both stepped

01:24:19.600 --> 01:24:22.279
away from the church and so that's how i grew

01:24:22.279 --> 01:24:24.739
up too they were like we're not gonna judge you

01:24:24.739 --> 01:24:28.119
for whatever you pick if you pick anything but

01:24:28.119 --> 01:24:30.539
like you gotta figure it out on your own because

01:24:30.539 --> 01:24:32.180
we don't know what's going on but i think that's

01:24:32.180 --> 01:24:35.470
how it should be like i think like if you force

01:24:35.470 --> 01:24:37.229
a kid to go to church it's like they're only

01:24:37.229 --> 01:24:39.789
perpetuating like whatever i think i don't know

01:24:39.789 --> 01:24:42.109
like it's hard because some people do have like

01:24:42.109 --> 01:24:45.649
a really good relationship with the church and

01:24:45.649 --> 01:24:48.989
so i get i also understand the viewpoint of like

01:24:48.989 --> 01:24:52.229
wanting to share that with your children and

01:24:52.229 --> 01:24:56.510
like have it be a part of your life and routine

01:24:56.510 --> 01:25:00.880
sure So that's hard. And it's also hard, like,

01:25:00.939 --> 01:25:04.939
if you're going to church every Sunday and you

01:25:04.939 --> 01:25:07.600
want to be that person, I want you to be that

01:25:07.600 --> 01:25:10.680
person. And so it's like, when you have kids,

01:25:10.779 --> 01:25:14.079
I don't think you should stop that necessarily.

01:25:14.739 --> 01:25:18.279
But that's hard. It's hard. For a non -religious

01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:20.100
person, it's very easy for me to look at Jack

01:25:20.100 --> 01:25:22.199
and be like, I'm happy with whatever you want

01:25:22.199 --> 01:25:24.159
to choose. I'm the same way. But if I were going

01:25:24.159 --> 01:25:27.039
to church every week. It's not that I would be

01:25:27.039 --> 01:25:29.539
like, this is what you must believe. And I need

01:25:29.539 --> 01:25:32.340
you to fall into this wholeheartedly. But like,

01:25:32.340 --> 01:25:35.920
I would take him with me every week. Sure. But

01:25:35.920 --> 01:25:38.159
like, I don't know. We'll get into it one day.

01:25:38.220 --> 01:25:41.579
Like, but it's. I don't like being told this

01:25:41.579 --> 01:25:44.239
is what you believe. That's what I think. And

01:25:44.239 --> 01:25:47.039
that's what I was told my whole life by my grandparents.

01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:50.140
Yeah. And like by my dad to a certain degree.

01:25:50.180 --> 01:25:51.699
And then one day he was just like, actually,

01:25:51.840 --> 01:25:54.699
no, we're not doing that anymore. But I do think

01:25:54.699 --> 01:25:59.060
Heather is very admirable. It is like she really

01:25:59.060 --> 01:26:02.779
broke through the level of I don't want to say

01:26:02.779 --> 01:26:05.020
brainwashing, but that's really the only word

01:26:05.020 --> 01:26:09.359
I have. She really like broke through that with

01:26:09.359 --> 01:26:12.060
the LDS and they were like and was like, I just

01:26:12.060 --> 01:26:14.800
want my daughters to be happy. Yeah. And I really

01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:19.909
respect that. I do, too. Heather, Whitney and

01:26:19.909 --> 01:26:23.569
Jen break off on their own. And Jen asks if Mary's

01:26:23.569 --> 01:26:26.369
going to be at Whitney's party. And Whitney's

01:26:26.369 --> 01:26:28.729
like, I like Mary. Like, what's the problem?

01:26:28.829 --> 01:26:31.770
Like, and then Mary or Jen says that Mary's irrelevant

01:26:31.770 --> 01:26:37.140
and then proceeds to go on. about how Mary attacked

01:26:37.140 --> 01:26:39.159
her family. And I'm just like, can we, for the

01:26:39.159 --> 01:26:41.380
love of God, like, can we please let the hospital

01:26:41.380 --> 01:26:44.159
smell comment go? Like, can we please, please?

01:26:44.260 --> 01:26:46.199
Like, is it the most horrendous thing that anyone

01:26:46.199 --> 01:26:47.500
has ever said to anyone? Because we're going

01:26:47.500 --> 01:26:49.119
to get into some of the shit that Jen Shaw said.

01:26:49.380 --> 01:26:53.239
Right. Well, that's the thing is coming from

01:26:53.239 --> 01:26:57.699
Jen. Like if it were Heather, who would never

01:26:57.699 --> 01:27:01.119
hurt a fly. You know, she can be a little messy,

01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:04.060
but she's not saying mean shit left and right.

01:27:04.220 --> 01:27:07.819
Right. And you, like, sort of came for her instead

01:27:07.819 --> 01:27:11.439
of snide comment. I would understand her demanding

01:27:11.439 --> 01:27:15.439
an apology more than I understand Jen Shaw demanding

01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:18.479
an apology. Right. I don't understand. When are

01:27:18.479 --> 01:27:20.479
you going to apologize for everything you've

01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:26.380
said? Well. Then we get into Jen saying that

01:27:26.380 --> 01:27:28.140
she's not OK with Meredith being friends with

01:27:28.140 --> 01:27:30.659
Mary and going to Mary's church because that's

01:27:30.659 --> 01:27:34.659
a personal dig against her. And she she says

01:27:34.659 --> 01:27:38.079
you can't be friends with her and be friends

01:27:38.079 --> 01:27:41.079
with me. I'm not saying to choose. Just tell

01:27:41.079 --> 01:27:45.520
me. Tell you what? If you're not telling me to

01:27:45.520 --> 01:27:46.939
choose, if you're not if you're telling me not

01:27:46.939 --> 01:27:48.460
to choose, then what do I need to tell you? But

01:27:48.460 --> 01:27:51.810
like at the same time. I don't like this. Like,

01:27:51.890 --> 01:27:57.109
here's the thing. You know where I stand on being

01:27:57.109 --> 01:27:59.229
friends with people that you don't fuck with.

01:27:59.949 --> 01:28:01.710
I'm not going to I'm not going to be friends

01:28:01.710 --> 01:28:03.529
with someone who has been rotten as hell to you.

01:28:04.270 --> 01:28:07.409
That being said, I will never, ever, ever tell

01:28:07.409 --> 01:28:10.710
someone who to be friends with. Right. And you

01:28:10.710 --> 01:28:13.229
just have to like you just have to have your

01:28:13.229 --> 01:28:14.810
own friendships with people. And that just has

01:28:14.810 --> 01:28:18.489
to be OK. Yeah, like, let the... I don't know.

01:28:18.550 --> 01:28:21.229
And, like, if you're really that serious, Jen,

01:28:21.350 --> 01:28:24.670
watch their actions and decide for yourself.

01:28:24.989 --> 01:28:28.829
You say, I'm not okay with being friends with

01:28:28.829 --> 01:28:31.350
Meredith if she's friends with Mary. And then

01:28:31.350 --> 01:28:33.729
when you watch her be friends with Mary, you

01:28:33.729 --> 01:28:35.489
have to stop being friends with Meredith. But

01:28:35.489 --> 01:28:38.180
at the same time... I'm telling you right now,

01:28:38.239 --> 01:28:41.000
if anyone on God's green earth is capable of

01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:43.300
being friends with someone and like separating

01:28:43.300 --> 01:28:45.779
their feelings about another person from a friendship,

01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:48.479
it is Meredith Marks. Well, yeah, but I'm just

01:28:48.479 --> 01:28:51.500
saying I don't think Jen is even Jen is looking

01:28:51.500 --> 01:28:53.880
for a compliment here. She's like digging for

01:28:53.880 --> 01:28:56.340
a compliment is the way I see it. Yes, because

01:28:56.340 --> 01:29:00.020
she's like asking if you would ever choose her

01:29:00.020 --> 01:29:02.699
over Mary. It's an honor to be in Jen's circle.

01:29:03.619 --> 01:29:07.739
Christ. OK, so then we head over to the to the

01:29:07.739 --> 01:29:10.279
Roaring Twenties party. I know earlier I said

01:29:10.279 --> 01:29:13.260
I hate a theme, but like I I think the party

01:29:13.260 --> 01:29:20.720
itself seemed fun. Yeah. I didn't like the whole

01:29:20.720 --> 01:29:24.060
entrance situation. I don't. That's I agree.

01:29:24.159 --> 01:29:26.020
That's the thing that I can't deal with. I didn't

01:29:26.020 --> 01:29:28.319
like the like you have to walk into a gift shop

01:29:28.319 --> 01:29:30.079
and tell them you're there for a party and then

01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:32.770
they open the secret door and like. The more

01:29:32.770 --> 01:29:34.090
and more I think about it, I think that's the

01:29:34.090 --> 01:29:36.970
whole kitsch of it. It's like, oh, the gift shop

01:29:36.970 --> 01:29:40.050
doesn't actually sell anything. Yeah. Like, it's

01:29:40.050 --> 01:29:43.130
there for the bar. No, I get it. It's just like,

01:29:43.310 --> 01:29:46.270
they're just such completely different vibes.

01:29:46.529 --> 01:29:49.289
It was, I don't know. Right. But then you go

01:29:49.289 --> 01:29:52.930
in, and I couldn't stand the voice Whitney was

01:29:52.930 --> 01:29:55.569
putting on. The whole, hey. Like, she was trying

01:29:55.569 --> 01:29:57.590
to be Marilyn Monroe. Yeah. Like, I couldn't

01:29:57.590 --> 01:30:01.939
stand it. Well. I just wanted to make sure that

01:30:01.939 --> 01:30:05.739
wasn't going to fall out. That's fine. When he's

01:30:05.739 --> 01:30:09.640
doing a voice, it's okay. It's a lot. There's

01:30:09.640 --> 01:30:12.619
a stripper cowboy, and I was not mad about him.

01:30:13.380 --> 01:30:17.800
Yeah. And then... But, like, why are they there,

01:30:18.039 --> 01:30:19.779
the male strippers? I don't understand. I wasn't

01:30:19.779 --> 01:30:22.220
sure how it fit into the theme, yeah. I don't

01:30:22.220 --> 01:30:24.020
think they were all strippers. I think some of

01:30:24.020 --> 01:30:26.720
them were just... Dancers, whatever. Yeah, but

01:30:26.720 --> 01:30:29.819
they were all naked, and I didn't under... Whatever.

01:30:31.049 --> 01:30:36.210
Sure, Whitney. Whatever you want. Yeah. So then

01:30:36.210 --> 01:30:39.810
Jen shows up late as always and sees Meredith

01:30:39.810 --> 01:30:42.369
talking to Mary and feels very attacked by this.

01:30:45.850 --> 01:30:48.909
Then be attacked. I don't know what to tell you,

01:30:48.949 --> 01:30:54.270
Jen. I really don't know. I don't know. And that's

01:30:54.270 --> 01:30:56.130
that's where we leave off with episode three,

01:30:56.189 --> 01:30:59.859
dear listener. Yeah. Do we call it there? I think

01:30:59.859 --> 01:31:04.020
so. We're at an hour and 45 minutes. So, yeah,

01:31:04.159 --> 01:31:07.720
we had a lot today. Dear listener, thank you

01:31:07.720 --> 01:31:09.840
for listening. Thank you for being here. We love

01:31:09.840 --> 01:31:16.060
you. From Indy to Belgium, I think was one of

01:31:16.060 --> 01:31:17.920
them on the list. We love you. Thank you for

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being here. Share us with your messiest friend.

01:31:21.039 --> 01:31:22.760
See you next time. Bye.