And this is Bestie approved. What's the last
song you listened to? Oh, I don't even have to
look. I know for a fact it was The Subway by
Chapel Roan, because I swear to God, I'm hitting
those notes every time I'm in the car. I love
that. I'm getting signed soon. Watch out. Mine
is Love Bites by Nelly Furtado and Tuck. How
do you say it? It's not Tove Lo. How do you say
it? Tove Lo. No, it's, like, Tuve Lo. Tove Lo.
I don't remember. I don't know. She's, like,
in a bunch of songs you don't realize that she's
in. She's also, like, I guess, like, a really
talented writer, too. Yeah. Like, what was the
girl that wrote? Bonnie McKee or whatever her
name was that wrote a ton of songs for, like,
really famous, famous, famous artists. Like,
she's, like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which I love.
Love. But I'm really glad Natalie Furtado is
making a comeback. Yeah, that's actually what
I was going to complain about today is the comment
section under Natalie Furtado's latest live performance.
Oh, OK. Are we are we jumping right into complaining
then? We can. We can. I'm still moving stuff
to next week. Dear listener, just know that Emma
and I have a shared note of. It's the most chaotic
stream of thoughts, to be a thousand percent
honest with you. But I find myself adding things
randomly every time I see a TikTok, just like
with a thing that's like just it just says what
in the actual fuck next to it constantly. So
that's what we're working with today. But we're
going to jump right into complaining. So, Emma,
take it away. My pregnancy update can also just
be complaining. My back hurts. My hips hurt.
I'm over it, and I still have allegedly 18 weeks
left. I'm over it. Well, 17 by the time you hear
this. But still, I'm done. I'm ready. I can't
do it. Okay, but getting into what I actually
want to complain about, I see Nelly Furtado.
Performing live. Looking stunning. Looking...
As incredible as she did in 2003. Yes. Just a
little older and perhaps a little larger because
she's 20 years older. And all of the comments,
all of them, all of them, all of them were either
calling her fat or... Defend people trying to
defend her against the people calling her fat.
Are you people OK? Like, are you OK? She looks
so good. She's literally stunning. Her voice
has never been better. I could not believe what
I was seeing. If you have not seen this on TikTok,
all you have to look up is Nelly Furtado. It
is insane, actually. I struggle with this. Because.
How? No, no, no, no. I struggle with like this
idea that like people need to look the same as
they did forever. Like it's, it's, it's clinically
impossible. I mean, like you've got Kim Kardashian
who doesn't look the same way she looked in 2007
and no one's batting an eye at that. She has
never looked the same two years in a row. But
like you have Nelly Furtado who. Has children.
Has children. dropped off the radar for a while
like whatever and then she she makes a comeback
and it's like did you think she was going to
look the same that she looked when she was 22
years old singing i'm like a bird it's like i
struggle with that like that entire mindset like
what are you holding on to well it's like i don't
know you have people like dolly parton she's
aged But she looks relatively the same, just
older. And people don't say anything. People
feel the freedom to comment on people's weight.
And I'm over it. I'm over it. I think it's disgusting.
I agree. Also, this is why we have an Ozempic
epidemic where you have people who are 150 pounds
taking Ozempic. These celebrities who don't need
it and now they look weird. Well, so... We'll
get into the Ozempic thing eventually, because
I struggle with. It's a little bit of a Pandora's
box thing for me with the Ozempic thing where
it's like, OK, we have found. Ostensibly a medicine
that. Is reversing an obesity epidemic, it is
it's they found incredible use cases for diabetes,
diabetes for addiction, for. Anti -aging benefits
because they're they're calling it the fountain
of youth now because it's actually slowing down
like cellular aging. They've found it's slowing.
I'm so happy for the people who are benefiting
from it genuinely. Sure. But there I've seen
so many celebrities who are not even on the verge
of overweight and they just look awful. Awful.
it's the olympic face that's what you're it's
that the face that you get who was it i don't
even want to like say who i think it was because
i'm again i don't think it's cool that we think
it's free reign to comment on people's weight
and bodies especially women but like you're too
skinny and what i fear is going to happen is
we fall back into heroin chic that that does
scare me and we have eating disorders out the
wazoo girls who haven't eaten in four days like
i can't well it's it's scary because there's
going to come a point in time where people say
well there's no excuse like you you should be
skinny like you you've got um That's another
point I want to make about that, actually. Go
ahead. With the Ozempic thing, with it being
like pretty readily available. So easily accessible.
If you have insurance and if you don't have insurance
and you need the money to pay for it, it's going
to be a poor man's disease to be fat. Oh, that
is what I fear. That's just what I see. No, that's
a fair point. But the other side of that, too,
is I was talking to my doctor, the one Nancy
works at, the American hero that saved the children
from a fire. I think about her a lot. But that
doctor that she works for was talking about how
what they're starting to find is like the compounding
pharmacies that we've known people to go through
to get semaglutide and trizepatide. It's all
counterfeit. Every bit of it. And, like, I don't
understand how that's even possible. My mom works
in pharmaceuticals. In production, not, like,
at a pharmacy. Compounding pharmacies are a problem.
Oh, yeah. They are a huge problem, and they're
not regulated the way that other places that
make them real. They don't follow FDA guidelines.
Right. It's scary. Very scary. And there are
some people who are like, well, I have to get
my medicine from this compounding pharmacy. It's
like the only place to get it or whatever. So
I had the same thing when I was when I had to
be on testosterone because my body simply wasn't
producing enough of it. And you it's impossible
to get it from a regular pharmacy like. So I
don't know what the answer to it is. And like
I. I struggle with this whole conversation around
like where you should and shouldn't be getting
medications because I think that it speaks to
a larger issue that is the broken medical system
in the United States. Yeah, it's just a symptom
of the actual disease. Right. But I also believe
that like you shouldn't. You should not be able
to open the doors of a business and buy. And
this is this is not anything other than like
what what research has shown us. We are finding
that. Fake medication is coming out of certain
regions of Asia. And you shouldn't be able to
buy that and sell that in a pharmacy to people
that are desperate for medication. That is fucking
insane to me. You're going to give a sugar pill
to someone who thinks they're taking an aspirin,
but they're diabetic and then they spike. And
now what? Is the compounding pharmacy going to
pay that ER bill? No. No, because you can't get
them. Right. It's just so weird. I don't understand
why it's allowed. Anyway, moving on. What do
you want to complain about? What am I complaining
about? Have you noticed that stores are getting
rid of baskets? Literally, no. I saw that. I
saw that you put that in the note and I was like,
OK, but I just used a basket at Meijer. OK, the
Meijer by your house has them. The Meijer on
East Washington Street and the Meijer in Southport
do not have them anymore. Not to generalize,
but are we sure they're not being stolen? Entire.
I don't know. Maybe they are. I don't know. But
like that. OK, so like. You know, when you go
into a store, this is what I'm complaining about,
dear listener, you go into a store and you have
the option of either a cart or a basket. And
I prefer to get the basket and the Kroger and
Nora is the same way. They don't have the baskets
anymore. So I find myself I don't like carts
because and this is. This is a peek into my neurodivergence.
I can't handle a cart that like if the wheel
on it is like bumpy, I cannot. It's a trigger
for me. You just test it right by the line of
carts. And if it's wonky, you get a different
cart. That's what I do every single time. But
like you've never been walking through the store
and it just starts getting bumpy. No, because
I've done it back and forth five times by the
carts. And I will not take a cart. I've watched
the wheels. I know what to look for. When I'm
testing my carts at the Whole Foods, at the Meijer,
anywhere. People are tuning out so hard right
now. I feel like people understand this. I test
my carts. So if you ever see like a stray cart
that's just like by the rest of the carts, never
use it. OK, never use it. Someone decided it
was not worthy. OK, well, so maybe I'll start
testing my carts, but because I can't handle
a bumpy wheel. And so what I've resorted to is
literally like anything my little arms can carry
is what I end up buying. That's just where we're
at. I hate a basket because it gets so heavy.
I guess you're not like carrying a purse. I always
have my big ass 20 pound purse. And so if I have
a basket full of stuff in my other arm, like
I am weighed down. I am not happy. That is a
lot for a woman that has like a purse and a whole
thing. It's a lot. And you always have a fairly
big purse. One thing about me, I love a big purse.
You do. I've always been that way. Even like
in high school when I had a backpack, I needed
a big purse too. See, I love a belt bag. I love
more than anything a Lululemon belt bag. I've
started using mine more, but even when I use
my belt bag, my whole purse is in my car and
I just take what I want from my purse and put
it in my belt bag. It's probably not a bad idea.
So like you're not, you don't have too much in
your bag with you though. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway.
We've got we don't have a time because we moved
a lot to the next couple of weeks, but. We'll
start with what I've found myself falling in
love with. Do you get the I know I've sent them
to you before, so I don't know if it's changed
your algorithm. Do you get like the random videos
like from prisoners in Idaho on TikTok? I see
a lot of videos of prisoners on Twitter, but
not on TikTok. So my TikTok feed is full of them
because it knows I'm single. And I love I love
a guy that looks like he'd go to prison. Like,
let's just call it what it is. But they keep
showing up on my for you page. And it's like,
hey, I'm this guy. I'm getting out in like eight
months. Write me a letter. And it's like always
for that app that you can put money on or whatever.
And I have found myself like. do i say pay jay
pay that's yeah and i'm like do i send them money
like do i tell like do i tell them i'm in love
with them because they're so hot but also i thought
they weren't supposed to have phones no it's
like i think it's like a little video booth or
something they have set up because it's always
from the same perspective it's always in the
same place like what account is it even on i've
never looked like do they have it's hang on i'll
tell you exactly what it's called it's called
prison friendship right i knew that it was like
not their individual accounts no it's like one
thing that keeps posting all them but they're
all like look at this man he's so hot i will
have you know you're not the only person to do
that they're like it's a common thing with like
serial killers and people who have done really
awful things they'll like get girlfriends via
letters. Like, people will write them fan letters.
Oh, see, I don't want... And that's been happening
for decades. I don't want a murderer. I want
someone who's, like, in prison for, like, maybe
petty theft or something. Right. Or, like...
Ooh, a car thief. A grand theft auto. Or, like...
Securities fraud. I could deal with that. Ugh,
so boring. I mean, I don't want violent criminals,
like unless it's like standing up for like tax
evaders. I would. Yeah, I don't care about that.
So like, yeah, no. Listen, dear listener, it's
hard to be a grown up. It's hard to file your
taxes. Dear listener, if you know any hot prisoners,
please send them my way. It's Travis at Travis
and Emma dot com. Listen, it's fine. What else?
What else is on the list? So, okay. I like both
of these questions and I want to answer both
of them. Okay. I want to know what colors you
think math, English, social studies, and science
are. Well, science was always green. Okay. Social
studies was blue. No. English was, no, no, no,
I'm sorry. English was blue. Social studies was
yellow. Math was red. Right. So wildly incorrect
to me. OK, well, we're talking about like what
folder you would use for each class. Like it's
a very individual question. No, my school. So
this popped up on TikTok and like people are
like fighting in the comments about it. My school
like you had you had to do this. Like teachers
mandated which folders were which colors. I wish
you could tell me what folder I have to use.
No. So science is green for sure. And it was
always like, I don't know why every green folder
is like a loud chartreuse of a green. But anyway,
English is purple. Math is blue. Social studies
is red. Okay. Because that is how my brain works.
But like your school didn't tell you what colors
to be. No, I wish they would. They stopped being
that specific after like elementary school. No,
this was a thing clear up until like probably
my sophomore year of high school. And then because
I remember I had a Captain America folder that
like I got like it got sent home with me. And
the way that my papa like threw a fit with Mr.
Lindsay being like, you're out of your ever loving
mind. Like this was. Probably fifth or sixth
grade, but like he was just like you were out
of your ever loving mind if you think that like
this is acceptable. But yeah, no, like it was.
I think this was a mandated thing. Why they would
do that. I mean, I guess if you're keeping them
at school, but like we carried all of our stuff
around. I don't know. Triton was weird about
a lot of things. That is so weird. I remember
I had one year these folders that like. If you
rub them with a pencil, it would go. And if you
shifted it, like the picture on it shifted. I
hated those with every fiber by being because
I couldn't handle the sound they made. The noise
was really bad. It was really bad. It was really
bad. Did you ever get in trouble for having trapper
keepers at school? We weren't allowed to have
trapper keepers like the zipper. I never saw
anyone get in trouble for it. But on on our school
supply list, it would say. All caps and bold,
no Trapper Keepers. Yeah. What is the problem
with the Trapper Keeper? I don't understand it.
What is a Trapper Keeper? A Trapper Keeper was
like, it was like a big binder that you, that
like zipped up, but like you could keep like
pencils and like a bunch of stuff inside of it.
Like it had like pockets for everything. And
like in today's age, I'll buy that. Like you
can hide a phone in there or you can hide like
whatever in there. But like in 2004, I thought
it was a wild concept to say don't bring this
to school because like. Unless it was like an
elitist thing, it's like, oh, I can afford a
trapper keeper and you can't because that was
a very serious problem. In fifth grade, we all
had to have this specific brand of binder that
was. essentially the same thing it was like a
binder that would zip up and it had pockets but
that was for extended learning gifted kids it
was horrible wild yeah did you ever have the
the like agenda things or whatever that you would
like write everything down and they would send
it home when your parents had to sign it oh my
parents never had to sign one oh My granny and
papa just signed mine every single week. Actually,
they had to sign our reading log, but that was
it. Oh, that was all part of our agenda, yeah.
Oh, no. But, like, ours, I think, was just to
say, like, oh, yeah, we know what homework our
kid's doing or whatever. And the way that, like,
we'll get into this one day, but, like, I wish
I could, like... this is such a specific memory
that my aunt tanya and i both have of like sitting
at the kitchen table and like my granny would
be down and and this like happened to us independently
and we both corroborate this story for each other
so like we know it happened like to us individually
but like My granny would just be sitting down
like watching like TV or whatever. And my Pavel
would just be up in the kitchen screaming at
us about our math homework. And I'm like, he
doesn't need to sign this because I like I had
the trauma of screaming. I do know that some
places did that because I had I was one of those
kids that got on like a little bus that took
you to a daycare after school. And I distinctly
remember this little girl. forging her mother's
initials every day. Which, like, go off, Quinn.
I don't know. Like, if you're not failing...
I mean, that's my argument. It's like, I don't
see why the parent needs to sign it if, like,
the kid's doing the homework. You know there's
a problem if the kid's not doing the homework.
That's the long and short of it. Like, that is
how you know there's a problem. Also, this is...
I fully forgot about this. Speaking of my aunt
Tanya, my cousin Taylor started listening to
the show. She loves us. Hi, Taylor. Josh, I love
you. What's next? Have you seen this idea of.
And it's not necessarily related to AI, but I
think it. consistently comes back to ai of people
needing to automate and like optimize everything
in their lives on tiktok yes it reminds me so
very much of the early 2000s absolute pinnacle
cinema smart house yes yes which i loved but
do we not remember the end of smart yes we're
the mom from um oh god what was that show um
Was she the mom on another show? She was the
mom on... Fuck, what was that show? She looks
like the mom on Malcolm in the Middle, but I
don't think that's her. I can find out. She's
the mom... She's on Futurama. She's the one -eyed
lady on Futurama. And she's also... Yeah, that's
her voice. Oh! Not early 2000s. It came out in
1999. Did it really? That's... crazy actually
it was the show where like the dad hated his
family it's the dad from um modern family what
they were married on this show her name was peggy
hang on known for future married with children
with children that is not my phil dunphy No,
no, no, no. Like the, the grandpa, like, uh,
yes, yes. I thought you meant Phil. No, no, no.
I'm sorry. Like the, like, uh, Sofia Vergara's
husband on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh
my God. But yeah, she was like ruining lives
cause she wanted to take over. But like, this
all came from. and like there there are a lot
of things that like i know i get into that not
everyone gets into and like and i've talked to
him about this before where like i've seen in
like reddit groups about podcasting like oh are
there ways to like automate like the editing
of my show and i love editing the podcast i love
like i i love all of it and like at this and
i think this triggered me because like i also
saw this like laundry folding robot on tiktok
and this guy bought it and he was like oh yeah
like i bought it to like automate my life and
it frees up so much time for me and i also love
folding laundry like that's actually a thing
i genuinely enjoy doing but you use the time
cleaners what When I get the tide, when I pick
up my tide cleaner stuff, I refold all my laundry.
That's absolutely insane. That is insane. I have
a little folding board that I fold everything
from. I love it so much and I won't be attacked
for it. Dear listener, I also don't do my own
laundry. I take everything to the tide cleaner
and when I get it home, I refold it and I put
it away. But my question is, is like, okay, so
you're automating everything in your life. You're
optimizing everything. Everything is so efficient.
Like you have, you've no inefficiencies in your
life. What are you freeing up your time to do?
To scroll on TikTok. I don't know. And the girls
on the deep dive with June Diane Rayfield and
Jessica St. Clair, they talk about this a lot
where it's like, I don't want to automate my
life. I don't want to optimize. I just want to
sit. And sometimes that's just okay. And I don't
need everything to be. Six Sigma black belt course
in in lean management. Right. I have talked about
this in my personal life. We have lost the plot
on like enjoying our lives in general. Yes. Dilly
dallying. Like. Frolicking. Everything is a chore.
Everything. People are so focused on getting
things done that they forget to enjoy anything
in their lives at all. And it's sad to watch.
Like, just turn on some music while you fold
your laundry. You'll enjoy it more. Or. Except
that, like, this is a part of life. And if you
don't want to do it, like, hire a housekeeper.
Do whatever you want to do. I don't care about
that. But, like, this is a thing that, like,
normal people do. Yeah. You know what fixed me?
What? Sorry. No, please, go ahead. Finish. No,
no, no, go ahead. Is the idea of practicing gratitude.
It sounds so corny and so woo -woo until you
actually do it. Because, like... I hate doing
the laundry too. But if you sit there and you're
like, I'm so grateful to have clean clothes.
I'm so grateful to be able to do this. It like
completely changes the way you think about everything.
Like the dishes. That's another thing that's
like Sisyphus pushing his boulder. It sucks if
you decide to look at it that way. Or you can
say. myself and my family are fed and this is
the outcome of that and i'm grateful to be able
to do this right it like completely changed how
i view stuff like that i think that's amazing
that like you got there but i'm just but like
i i think that speaks to a larger thing of like
this obsession with like we have to be grateful
or we have to be efficient like we can't just
be normal people like do you know what i mean
yeah and i think it's it's like the work culture
we've cultivated that grind set thing yeah yeah
because you go to work and for nine hours a day
let's be honest no one's working eight hours
everyone's working nine at a minimum yeah yeah
The whole time, everything is like, how can you
get this done faster? How can you get this done
better and faster? It's never quality. It's never,
how can we improve the quality of your work?
How can we improve your language skills? How
can we improve your communication? No, it's how
fast can you get this done to an acceptable level?
Mm hmm. And so I think it's like hard to turn
that off when you get home. Well, and it's not
to mention everyone's exhausted when they get
home. Well, that and like what I struggle with
is like because I talked to my doctor about this
recently when I had a checkup after I busted
my head open and he came in and he like he was
just like, OK, like, did I answer all your questions
today? And I was like, yeah, everything's fine.
He goes and he like he and I have a very good
relationship. Like he's he's such a good doctor.
But he was. Talking to me about like, yeah, you
know, they did this study about. About if if
a doctor spends, I think, on average, three more
minutes with a patient, satisfaction rates skyrocket
with the medical industry, like and it's just
like and it doesn't matter like what the doctor
did. It's like, did the patient feel heard? Did
the patient feel like they were valued? And on
the other side of that. These these major health
conglomerates in Indiana, there are like three
of them. It's IU Health Community and Ascension
St. Vincent. And I think there's a Riverview.
You've got like those businesses that are saying.
And my doctor told me this, he goes, I'm expected
at most to spend 15 minutes with the patient.
Because it's a numbers game. They want the maximum
number of patients because if you're not going
to their hospital, you're going somewhere else.
And like that, that's a problem with insurance
companies and the whole privatized hospital thing
is that we're not worried about your quality
of care. We're worried about getting you in and
out. How many people can we get through the door?
You're a number. Yeah. And that for me is. I'm
like, where do you find the balance? Because
it's and it comes back to the same thing of like
where, yeah, corporations are evil, but like
they still have to serve the people that they.
That are like patronizing them. So I guess for
me, it's just like, OK, where do you find the
balance of like? Of profit and. acknowledging
that these people are the only reason you have
a functioning business i well that's the breakdown
for me is like okay okay so you're operating
as a hospital in this very capitalist society
so you need to draw people in as a patient i
am much more likely You were smacking that thing,
too. Have your drink. No, go. Are you muted?
Oh. I was, like, just waiting. Okay. No, no,
no. Okay. Right. So you're a hospital operating
in this capitalist society. You need to draw
patients into you to choose your hospital. I
can only speak for myself, but I am so much more
likely to choose you based off of people saying
they've had wonderful, careful experiences there
versus you saying you had 89 ,000 patients. Like,
I don't care how many patients you had. I care
about what people have to say about you. Do you
want to know something I think is wild? Is hospitals
having marketing departments in general? Well,
yeah, because it's like I understand it to some
extent because it's like I do believe hospitals
and health care systems should be involved in
the community and be accessible in that way.
But they shouldn't be running commercials. No.
If anything, all you need is patient testimonies
and that's it. Right. But for me, I'm just like
it is wild to me that. There are there are hospitals
that are like we're the number one choice for
like X, Y and Z, like whatever. And I'm like,
let me tell you where I'm not interested where
anyone's the number one choice of when I have
busted the back of my head open when I am mid
stroke. I'm like, OK, where can I get to now?
Yeah. And if anything, if I know that you're
the number one that's doing all of this, I'm
assuming you are too busy. that like that's what
you put in my head i don't know but yeah that's
but and i don't know how we got here from this
like whole optimization thing but like i just
i my dear listener i ask you stop and smell the
roses stop and go for a walk like not everything
needs to be enjoy your life you literally get
one if you get more than one you won't remember
this one anyway so please Like, I just can't
understand. Like, I guess my question is, who
is it for? Like, who are you optimizing for?
And I do. Let me end with this. I do see the
argument for. People with disabilities, obviously.
If you're in chronic pain or if something is
extremely difficult for you to do, I want that
to be automated for you. That's improving the
quality of your life. Yes. That's very, very
different from what I'm talking about. Yeah,
I just wanted to throw that out there because
I didn't want to come off as, like, ableist,
as, like, you should fold your laundry. No, I
think, no, no, no, no. We're not saying that
at all. No, dear listener, if it's improving
the quality of your life, yes, please, by all
means. But I do think your average Joe shouldn't
be buying a robot to walk his dog. No. You need
to walk your dog because you need the fresh air
and you need to, like, exist. I also think that
would help with, like, being such an individualistic
society. you know, we've talked about it before
a hundred times, but people are only in it for
themselves. There's no like community. Okay.
We're back. We're back. What else? Oh, one thing
I want to talk about. Have you seen the breakdown
that is the canceled podcast? No, what's happening
there? Like, cause I've heard, I keep hearing
about it. I don't know what's going on. OK, so
it's two girls, Tana Mongeau, who I would be
shocked if you didn't know. I know who she is.
And then her friend, Brooke Schofield, I think
is how you say it. OK, they had there was this
one clip that really like shone a light on everything
that's happening. Sure. They were talking and
Tana was like, yeah, you pretty much disagree
with everything I have to say. And she was like.
It's not that I'm trying to disagree with you.
It's I genuinely do disagree with you on everything.
And they were like best friends. Yeah. And they
talked about like being a yin and yang is sometimes
good. And a lot of times, like Tana says she
needed to hear it and you're hearing both sides
of the thing. So it works. But like eventually.
They just kind of fell apart. So this is where
the clips of them... I think it was Tana saying,
I just don't want to do this anymore. That's
where that all came from? Yeah. And to be fair,
Tana's done her whole career on social media.
I've been watching Tana Mongeau for an embarrassingly
long amount of time. Where does she come from?
She's from Vegas. And she just, like, started
making videos one day. And then she was connected
with David Dobrik for a while. But then she was
friends with Jeff after that whole thing happened.
And then, I don't, I mean, she's just. So, like,
she wasn't on, like, a reality show or something.
No. She came up completely. Like, on her own.
Genuinely on the internet. Oh, good for her.
And it's because she's funny and she's very real.
Yeah, yeah. Like, she's like, here are my tape
and extensions. Let's do them in 20 minutes before
I catch a 6 a .m. flight. Like, that's very Tana.
Sure. And so it's entertaining to watch. It's
like, yeah. All right. She would love this. She's
like our generation. Not my generation, I'm too
old for that. The Next Generation's Paris Hilton.
Oh, okay. Where it's just, like, fun to watch.
I'm not saying you should be exactly like her,
but she is entertaining. Sure. No, I liked Hannah.
I listened to a few episodes, and then, like,
it just... There's been, like, a breakdown of...
I think they didn't really like each other. That's
kind of what like I felt when I was listening
to it. I think also Brooke got engaged recently.
And so I think they're just they just kind of
grew apart. And so they decided to quit doing
the podcast. Yeah. Another thing I saw is they
have not communicated anything about how they're
going to do that because she was like, should
I just delete every video? of the canceled podcast
so i can use this channel for like my vlogs and
brooke was like no what is my absence well so
i i think that it brings up a kind of interesting
point because there's another podcast um oh my
god It was too much or something like that. I
know I said it to you, like when we were starting
this whole journey, I very vividly. If I didn't
say this, I very vividly remember thinking it.
I said, we cannot let this let us turn into this
where it's like these two girls that were podcasting.
One lived in Los Angeles, one lived in Manhattan.
And the girl that lived in Los Angeles just locked.
her like the other girl out of all the accounts
and like do you remember those i remember yeah
it was like a year ago or something yeah and
it was like they just hated each other and i
was like if we ever get to the point where we
don't enjoy doing this like i want to i want
to be the first to know that you don't enjoy
doing it and we will either figure something
out or be stop it immediately because like I
don't want us ever to resent each other and I
don't yapping on a microphone like why would
you even let it get that I know why it's money
got in the way they started making money I don't
know that it's a money thing because like it
becomes an ego thing and I think that the good
thing about you and me is I truly believe you
and I don't have an ego about most things so
I think that's probably our saving grace in a
lot of things we're like we are very aware that
we are two idiots talking to, at this point,
300 people on the internet. And we're thrilled
to be that. I think that there's a difference,
too, in age. People are going to hate me for
saying this, but I feel like if you're 19 through
23, everything feels so big and so important
and so scary that I feel like we're old enough.
And we're not old. I'm just saying we have frontal
lobes and we're 27. I'm genuinely 27, but I think
that we're old enough to be like, it's never
that serious. You know what I mean? And like,
I do take it seriously. Like I will sit here
for hours every week and record and be happy
to do that. But there's a thing that we should
sacrifice our relationship or I should sacrifice.
any part of like what I care about. Right. But,
but that's the thing is like, I, I said, I, I,
we can never turn into this and I don't think
we ever will. And like, dear listener, if we
ever do just mark this down in your book, episode
12 is where we were wrong. But like, I feel bad.
Cause I'm like, these are, these were real friends.
Like on some level, these people were good friends
that like said, I'm going to put myself on the
internet. And it fell apart. And that sucks.
That is sad. That sucks. I mean, that happens
in real life all the time. But not for the entire
world to see. Like, it's like, it takes me back
to. And granted, part of this was produced by
Fox, but like Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie.
Like this was a very real friendship that like
fell apart. And it was at Harper's Bazaar. It
was in Vogue. It was in all these magazines where
it was like, oh, the. these two people are not
Paris and Nicole anymore and like I cannot imagine
what that does to you like psychologically like
we're like yeah it makes it has to make all of
your emotions like more exaggerated to like see
what everyone else has to say yeah because I
do think we're in this era where like everyone
is giving their two cents everyone has a hot
take everyone has an opinion and like at some
point you just have to close that out especially
when it's about you right like I don't think
anyone should be reading all of their comments
or anything like that. No. Anyway. Anyway. Are
you ready for Reality Roundup? Yes. Okay, so.
This is an excellent run of the show, by the
way. Before we jump into it, and this is related
to, well, one of them is tangentially related
to, because it's Bravo, but have you seen Justice
for Jax on TikTok? Yes. That is Jax Taylor. Jax
Taylor is running that account. There is not
a doubt in my mind. If anyone can prove me wrong,
I will literally be stunned and I'll send you
$20. That is Jax Taylor. So Jax Taylor has left,
says he left of his own volition, but like he
was, so he was originally on Vanderpump Rules
and then he went over to the Valley and he was
a, demon horrific monster to britney cartwright
his wife who he viciously cheated on threw a
table out allegedly i don't know if that was
ever on camera i don't know if we like there's
there's a lot yeah okay but jax taylor like from
the beginning and vanderpump has just always
been Erratic. If you've never seen him, please
look up clips of Jax Taylor. Yes. Please. He
is a horrible human being, but he is entertaining.
He's entertaining and he is as hot as the day
is long. And that's why he's been given a platform.
But he is no longer on the Valley. He says he's
taking at least a season off. God bless. That's
fine. He. jack stanley doesn't believe in mental
health like no he doesn't there's an account
though floating around it's called justice the
number four jacks and it is literally comments
on On his on his restaurant page being like,
it's the greatest guy. He came around. It's like,
do you remember when Donald Trump did this in
the late 80s, early 90s, where he pretended to
be his own publicist and he would call people?
This is what it reminds me. Oh, my God. That's
exactly what it is. Yes. And it's like a pity
party. Like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. I couldn't
figure out for a little bit whether it was a
parody or whether it was Jax Taylor. And I'm
just like, you know what? If no one believes
in him, at least he believes in himself. That
has always reigned true for Jax Taylor. It didn't
matter what he did. I'm an avid Vanderpump Rules
fan, especially the early seasons. And it didn't
matter what he did. He was in his corner. He
would go in that confessional and he would be
like, I'm just a man. I'm just a guy. I wanted
to. You can if you want to. You can if you want
to. Oh, Lord. The other thing is. God almighty,
I'm so happy. We foretold this. We did foretell
this. And I'm so thrilled. Ghislaine Maxwell
is. I pray being bullied within an inch of her
life by one. We said that. We said that in the
last episode and now it's really happening. Yes.
Like I pray that Ghislaine is not sleeping over
it. Like that is what I want. But yeah. So, you
know, Jennifer Shaw is running these. The Shaw
amazing yoga classes in Bryan Federal Correctional
Facility. Yeah. And like little pageants and
stuff, too. And like putting on plays of being
the real house. I love her so much. Here's the
honest to Christ truth. Jen Shaw did some bad
shit. Jen Shaw. is an entertaining person if
she can say i love jen shaw i know what she did
she is so funny if she can apologize and make
retributions to the people she wronged i can
forgive her i'm gonna come on like how chic can
you be i love but the the the real thing right
now is jen shaw Who is who's become best friends
with Elizabeth Holmes. And I love that they are
just like trying to figure out their next fraud
scheme together, maybe allegedly. But like Jen
Shaw said, Ghislaine Maxwell, you are not welcome
in the Shaw amazing yoga classes. And I was like,
Jesus Christ. Yeah, you're not welcome in any
of these things that I'm throwing in any of them.
And I I know that like the correction system
in the United States is problematic. This is
the one time I'm OK with how problematic justice
is being served. And like in this very specific
instance. Right. And like, I think you were the
one who told me this, that like when it comes
to kids like these. Yeah. Women's prisons do
not fuck around. And yeah. Lord have mercy. No
one is fucking with her. And I love it. I love
it. I also love the idea of. Do you remember
when that tweet circulated around that was like,
it's just two dumb bitches telling each other.
Yes. Yes. That is what I envision when Jen and
Elizabeth Holmes talk about their crimes. You
just stretch the truth a little bit. What it
needed two drops of blood instead of one. Elizabeth.
No one's heard of a little white lie anymore.
Like they're gaslighting each other into believing
it wasn't that bad. That is what I like to envision.
I think back a lot to the clips that became public
of Jin shot getting on the phone with these telemarketing
fraud schemes. Or she goes, hey, it's Crystal
or whatever her name was from so and so. And
like, I'm just selling you this business opportunity.
And like, I want to know, like what Elizabeth
Holmes has to say about that, because. Elizabeth
Holmes, no, she was lying, too. Oh, I guarantee
you she sees that and she's like, God forbid
you're a businesswoman. God forbid a woman does
something to get ahead if a man did it. That
is 100 % what I envision their relationship to
be. And that brings me nothing but joy. I love
it so much. I think it's the funniest thing that's
ever happened. Okay, dear listener, we're jumping
into the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Yes.
Episode two, a snow mountain of trouble. I love
whoever names these episodes. You're so silly.
I do, too. We pick up where we left off, where
everyone's at Meredith's birthday party at Jen's
house. Jen's having a full blown meltdown, doing
the thing of like, you don't fuck with my family.
That that whole Teresa G. I stick that she's
doing. But she's like different because she's
like crying through it. She's crying through
it. But if you look at it and like you're looking
at it through the lens of like someone who loves
reality TV, you're like, oh, this is someone
who produced herself on reality TV. Like that
was 100 percent. She's being as loud in us like.
attracting the camera as much as possible you
know what I mean which is fun you're in the first
season of a reality show you want to be on I
will probably do the same thing to not get kicked
off you have to like establish yourself yes yes
um Heather goes to comforter and in the in the
confessional and this becomes a recurring theme
with Heather and like this is probably the one
complaint I have about Heather is You get two
sides. It's like I'm comforting Jen. I'm I'm
making her feel better. But then she turns around.
She's like, this is crazy. This is absurd. And
I feel like it's the mom in her because she's
done that with her kids for so long. You know
what I mean? Like with kids, when you're like.
Oh, man, I can't believe that car rolled like
that. And then you turn around and you're like,
I don't know what we're talking about. It's like
that. But so Mary walks in to the bathroom as
Jen's having her meltdown. And we hear Heather
say it's a privilege to be in Jen's circle. Which
leads me to believe behind the scenes on this
show, Jen was presented as. The person that the
show is going to revolve around and people were
paying the piper. I feel like that's what was
happening here. Yeah. But we go around and around
and around where it's like, you said I smelled
like hospital. You said I smelled like hospital.
And then Mary finally just, like, and I do appreciate
this about Mary because I do buy that she is
this person in real life. She says, can we just,
can we hug it out and call it a day? Please,
God, can we make this be done? I hated that.
I hated that so much. All you have to do is say
you're sorry. That's it. And you won't do it.
Instead, you'll say, let's hug. And then it'll
be over. It'll be over when you say you're sorry.
Okay. So in my mind, I think I took that as her
saying, I'm sorry. I think you're right. Okay.
I think I'm just a crazy biatch who will not
take anything as saying you're sorry, except
you saying you're sorry. Like. Okay. I don't
know. I feel like Jen Shaw might agree with me
on that. No, I... Which is not to say it's a
good thing. 100%. And, like, I don't disagree
with you, but, like, in my mind, I was like,
oh, Mary's apologizing. Like, she's just trying
to make it go away. I agree that she's trying
to make it go away, but she's, like, not willing
to take any... But she's not taking accountability.
Yeah. That's fair. Yeah. Okay, moving on then.
When he talks to Lisa about the bartenders that
Lisa gifted for the vow renewal where they serve
Vita tequila and Lisa. Like, I guess Lisa gifted
the Vita tequila to be and hired the bartender
and hired, I guess, one of the bartenders. Right.
No, I'm pretty sure she like provided the tequila
and the bartender. Oh, I thought she had. I thought
they'll. OK, I see. I was a little unclear on
that. Yeah, because Whitney's complaining about
how the bartenders behaved, like they drank too
much or whatever. And so that's what made me
believe Lisa like gifted her the service of the
bartenders along with the tequila. Right. OK.
OK. And here's here's the thing that I that I
saw was that. Lisa was incredibly generous. Like
in my mind, she gave probably a case of Vita
tequila. Like do I, do I think it was enough
for 500 people? I don't know. But like, I think
if you send a bottle of tequila, that's, that's
generous. Like whatever. 100%. I agree. I felt
like Whitney was a little misunderstood in this
circumstance though, because I felt like they
were both coming from the same place. Funny enough.
Lisa was like, Please don't talk shit about my
tequila. You're going to harm my brand. Whitney
is saying, don't hire these bartenders. They're
harming your brand. So I think if it were brought
up off camera, it probably would have gone a
completely different way. I think they were both
trying to protect Vita Tequila in that circumstance,
because I don't see. I don't think I. I at least
did not pick up on any malice coming from Whitney.
OK, so this is the interesting thing about Whitney.
Do I think that she was going out of her way
to to talk to speak negatively or present Vita
Tequila in a negative light? No. Do I think that
Whitney always thinks before she speaks? Absolutely
not. No. And she definitely shouldn't have brought
this up on camera. You shouldn't have said anything
about any type of gift, let alone anyone's brand
on camera. Right. However, I feel like she forgets
the cameras are there sometimes and just lets
it roll. Because I think what we're getting with
Whitney is incredibly authentic. A hundred percent.
The thing that I struggle with, though, was where
the conversation went, where. She she said, oh,
well, like they were wasted. OK, like whatever.
I don't I don't think the bartenders were related
to her brand at all. I think that Lisa could
have had any conversation with Whitney and Lisa
would have become defensive and like brought
it back to her business because Vita Tequila
was involved in this scenario. One hundred percent.
I'll give Lisa that. And also Whitney never just
out and said, maybe don't hire those bartenders
anymore. Right. Which she could have done. But
I felt like that was her point. She just never
said that outright. Whitney has a hard time making
her point sometimes. Like you'll see this as
like as she's trying to find her voice in later
seasons. Like this does become a recurring theme
with her. The issue that I had, though, was like
Lisa brings up like, oh, well, I like we they
they got into Justin's top shelf tequila. And
Lisa goes, well, our tequila is top shelf. And
then Whitney comes back with. Well, you know,
what's funny is we ran out of your tequila at
like 6 p .m. And like the way that I would have
been like, bitch, you shouldn't have gotten anything.
You shouldn't have said that. You shouldn't have
said that. I felt like it all. This happens a
lot in Housewives, to be fair. It all like becomes
this miscommunication jungle where it gets like
so much bigger than it ever needed to be. Right.
And that's exactly what I think happened here.
I had a hard time with Whitney saying that because
I'm just like, oh, you were fine. And like, because
if if she wouldn't have said the thing about,
oh, we ran out of your tequila, like whatever.
And then in the confessional being like, well,
like we it's the tequila you can't get in the
United States, like whatever. Like, I thought
that was a weird like it's tequila. It's all
it's all made from the agave plant. Like, oh,
my God. But yeah, I mean, I know some people
really do care about that. But like you're in
Utah, you guys barely drink. Like, it's cool.
And then Lisa gets triggered because she feels
like it's all coming back to her brand. And I
understand that. Yeah, I do understand that side,
too, where it's like, I don't want you to say
this is like what happened on Secret Lives of
Mormon Wives with the Jay -Z style stuff. It's
like you should not say anything, even hinting
towards a negative about your friend's brand
on TV. Right. I'll stand 10 toes down on that.
100%. Unless your friend is, like, dropshipping
or doing something really... Oh, that actually
comes up later. Or doing something really, I
mean, really horrible. You really need to, like,
just support them. Right. Anyway. But, like,
so the party ends by Lisa storming out of the
house saying, I don't want Trash telling me something's
not good. that's where I'm like oh my god Whitney
if you just would have been cool I would have
been on Whitney's side entirely about this cause
like that is this this does come up where Lisa
does treat Heather and Whitney differently than
she treats everyone else like full stop you can
tell she doesn't want them there you can tell
she does not fucking like them yeah I I feel
like there's something to that story that At
least where I am in Salt Lake City, we never
really get to the bottom of. Like Heather has
some dirt on her or something. I don't know that
it's dirt. I think what it is, because I have
seen this play out in the church, like where
you have born again Christians and then you have
people who are. like me not religious and it
is you're looked down on as a different class
of person and do you think lisa would do that
lisa is very very into mormonism which if she
wants to be i support her in that and like you
hear a lot about like it's just surprising to
me because she grew up jewish so it's like it's
like i thought she would kind of have like a
more objective No, no. No. When someone converts
from a religion to a religion, like what you
typically see is like they are all in like. Yeah.
All I guess you do really see that. Yeah. Yeah.
Anyway, the next day, the Shasha, the Shaw squad
is cleaning up Jen's house and Whitney's working
out and gets into the back. She's had a stripper
pole and every house. And isn't it crazy that
a born and raised Mormon has a stripper pole?
Ha ha ha ha. I hate that. I hated that. If you
really look at it for what it is, it's a piece
of exercise equipment. Yes, it's used to be a
stripper and be hot and sexy. In your house,
that's exercise. I hate the like... I don't know.
I hate that because it feels kind of like pick
me where it's like, isn't this crazy that I have
this? I don't know why that bothered me so much.
I don't know. I'm not like other Mormons. Yeah.
I'm a cool Mormon. Um, we go over to Lisa and
John's house and John seems like a really, really
good husband. I feel like, but he seems wildly
uncomfortable on camera. Yeah. I think that's
all it is. Cause he does. All he talks about
is how much he supports Lisa. He's like, I love
that woman. I'll let her do whatever she wants.
I'll support any business she wants to do. He's
also hot. Yeah. But he's awkward. He's so hot.
yeah just awkward and like oh he seems like a
little unsure of himself on camera that's it
probably yeah and like duh can you imagine like
i think what he probably feels uncomfortable
with is like the the mormon church has never
been great about like propping up women and like
i think he probably feels uncomfortable about
how the world and like by extension like the
people in his life are going to view his marriage
because like Lisa is like Lisa runs the show
well yeah but he's like and yeah maybe he hasn't
been as open about how much he supports that
like outside of the show you know what I mean
right but I love that for him he's like he's
like a husband he's a great husband yeah let
her do what she wants I also love that he's not
like these mormon husbands that we see a lot
that are like you need to cook and you need to
clean and you need to do this and this and this
on top of all of your businesses oh that's not
just mormon no it's certainly not but that's
like the highest concentration i've seen oh sure
yeah and it's like i'm glad he's not like that
at all he's like i guess we'll figure out what
we're doing together talk about yeah love i love
that if i ever get married like i i truly want
a Like John and Lisa have, because they just
seem like they really love each other. I would
get married to the both of them. Heather's out
shopping for ski boots with Whitney and they
unpacked the birthday party. Heather says she
didn't have any fun and her feelings were hurt
by Lisa and. Shocking. Yeah. Like Lisa called
Whitney after the. Oh, this. Yeah. So Lisa called
Whitney after the party and like threatened to
use rumors about Whitney being a swinger against
her. Yeah. Heather gets into and this is kind
of what I was saying earlier. Heather gets into
how Lisa feels like she's superior to the other
girls and she feels like that gives her the right
to call out what she believes is morally deficient
behavior. Yeah. And I do see that to some extent
where she's like kind of holier than thou and
like a little judgy perhaps. I still love Lisa.
I don't get it. She's. She does come across a
little bit judgmental. I also feel like, for
some reason, the girls have particularly thin
skin when it comes to her. Like, everything Lisa
says just makes them bleed. I think that's probably
rooted. In the amount of money Lisa has. Yeah,
maybe. And, like, she's very successful in her
life. Very successful. And I don't think it's
a jealousy thing. I think it's just more like
you want the validation. Right. From her and
you're not getting that. But, like, I don't know.
Just, like, let it roll off your back. Well,
so this is why I think Salt Lake City is such
an interesting housewife city. Not until season
four, do we do we bring someone on who doesn't
have real money? Because like all of the women
have. Oh, yeah. Significant amounts of wealth.
Right. And so the stakes are gone there. And
like so it's like who's more successful, who's
less successful comes into play a little bit
like this. Like this does come up in. season
two or three where Lisa flat out says, I'm richer
than everyone here. I don't need to be here.
Like she those words come out of her mouth. But
what we are finding is like, OK, so like where
do the stakes come from? And it's it's actually
how these women feel about each other. I think
that's I think it's this is what I love about
this city. It's so interesting because I'm just
like, oh, we're not fighting over. yeah the private
jet we're not fighting over x y and z because
like everyone's on the same playing field yeah
i love it um then we go to whitney's and meet
her dad oh yeah this was a lot so so dad's hair
yeah whitney's dad is a recovering addict and
his hair is box dyed black to the gods and standing
on end do you know uh carrie from sexy unique
podcast calls um calls whitney's dad steve he
calls him diane warren because he looks like
diane warren from three's company it is that
very specific hair I don't know if it's because
he used to be a hairstylist. Yeah. Yeah. Was
really successful. Very successful. Fell into
drugs. Yeah. And then his entire life fell apart,
which is a story I've seen firsthand. Like, I
know how this impacts people. So I know what
Whitney is going through. I was going to make
the point he understands an emotional change
of the hair. Oh, yeah. So I think that's what
we're witnessing is he is constantly in his hair.
Yes. Meredith and Seth go to dinner after we
after we get done with the scene with with Whitney's
dad. In contrast to John Barlow. Seth seems very
comfortable on camera. You can tell that man
loves attention. He's like, I am here. He loves
it. I have arrived. And so we jump into and I
don't know if they we didn't know that much before
this. No, this is where you find out they're
separated. OK, and like it makes me feel like
the editing was weird in the first season because
like this this couldn't have been the way it
was meant to be presented. Seth asked Meredith
who all knows about them being separated. And
that's how we're introduced to this topic. And
then he asked Meredith if if she thinks their
marriage is built to last. And I've seen conflicting
things about this on the Internet. On one hand,
I appreciate. And them being very open and honest
about it. And yeah, because they could have hid
it from the show. They could have hidden it from
the show. But then like you have people on the
other side of that that are like, no, this they
they were producing this for the show. Like this
was their storyline. This is how Meredith got
on the show. No, I think this is all very real.
I think. Yeah, because you can tell there's real
emotion and real thoughts that are being held
back because they know they're on camera, especially
when we get into the. The phone thing? Yes. Yes.
Oh, my God. You can tell that Meredith is not
saying everything she feels and you can tell
she's very aware that she's on camera. Yes. And
so I think it's very real. Right. And like this
is something that I have found very interesting
because you have two. Also, I know we said we
were going to do two episodes today. Let's just
do the one because I don't want to run into time.
I want to get into this a little bit. This is
a good episode anyway. This was. You see, you
have two real sets of women on Housewives like
that. And Bethany Frankel has talked very openly
about this, how there are women who come on the
show as like to launch themselves into getting
divorced. Like Jules Weinstein was one on Real
Housewives of New York who. They say that she
came on just to get divorced. And if you need
a little check. Right. And I'm fine with that.
I'm also fine with it. If you look at Tamara
Judge and her ex -husband. in the back of the
car, and I think it was season three or four,
The Real Housewives of Orange County, where,
like, he said something, and she looked him dead
in the face in the back of this car, and she
said, fuck you, I want a divorce. Like, and she
has been very open about she didn't know the
cameras were there when she was doing that. Yeah.
So I'm fine with both sides, both extremes on
that side of the equation. What I think we have
here, though, is these people knew their marriage
was on the rocks coming into the show, and I
think that they said, You're getting our real
lives. You're getting our real lives. Yeah. I
think that Meredith is mostly okay with sharing
that. Right. And also Seth is spending a lot
of time away anyway for work. You don't get into
that yet, but like he is. And so I think that
they knew that with all that time apart, they
would be able to kind of. keep that off the show
as much as they wanted to and share as much as
they wanted to oh for sure you know because they're
not like always in the house screaming at each
other right it's not like that but and then we
get into meredith sharing some of the backstory
about how they got to where they are and she's
very honest and i think this is like actually
really good for people to hear where she goes
nothing really triggered it we moved a lot there
was a lot going on and we struggle with communication
in our marriage and yeah we started to resent
each other and like that's a very real thing
and i'm glad that she shared it because it provides
more context for later on in this season um with
like when they start to disagree about something
you can tell it's like how have you guys not
talked about this yet you know there's just a
breakdown in communication yeah and i'll buy
that like every time we feel that that is the
first time they've ever talked to each other
is on camera i feel like you can tell because
like one of them is taken aback or one of them
is like no like i don't know um yeah yeah like
uh spoiler alert but they talk about moving i
won't say where later on in the season and it's
like so they're like in a car and it's so blatantly
glaringly obvious that they haven't talked about
this at all right well and it gets to be uncomfortable
because you're like oh I'm not supposed to be
hearing this conversation right but it's the
same thing that we get into with like the phone
thing where so Seth gets into the idea of like
I'm so transparent like I you can look at my
phone whenever you want and this I get both sides
of this because there is there is a conversation
around Meredith and maybe she like while they
were split up, she was dating someone else. And
I don't know where they were with that at this
current juncture. But I do know that that does
get weaponized against her and later in the season
and then in season two and three. Right. And
we'll get into it later. But basically, the point
that is being made right now is Meredith is like,
I don't want to check your phone and I don't
want you to check mine. Right. And I can get
where, like, she's very like, that's weird to
me. I don't want to do that. But at the same
time, I'm like. If it's that big of a deal, just
give them the fucking phone if there's nothing
in there to find. I get both sides of it, so
I don't know what the right answer is, but I
do feel uncomfortable with the fact that they're
at a restaurant in Salt Lake City at a very nice
restaurant and Seth is like, let me see your
phone, let me see your phone, let me see your
phone. Yeah, and it gets tense. I will say in
practice, I align more with Meredith. It does
feel like a huge invasion of privacy. To give
someone your phone. Like. Because. I don't know.
Like me and Kenny. Like they're. Obviously I'm
not cheating on Kenny. I'm carrying his child.
Right. But like. I don't want to see his. I don't
want him to have to see my text complaining about
him. That's like, I should have the right to
vent about him and him not have to see that.
Well, that's not what Seth was looking for. No,
I know. But it's like, you don't know what he'll
come across. And it's like, it's not always cheating
or malice. Sometimes it's just like stuff you
wanted to keep private. Yeah. Like, I don't know.
I don't know. And I wouldn't want to see what's
going on in Kenny's group message with his friends.
You know what I mean? I would rather be ignorant
to that. Sure. So it's like I typically would
fall in with Meredith. However, when your relationship
is on the rocks and you're worried about someone
being unfaithful, you're worried about them in
general. I feel like if your partner asked for
your phone, you pretty much should like. Just
give them the phone. Yeah. And that's just how
I feel about it. I don't like like I'm not going
to ever just take someone's phone and look through
it for funsies. No. But like if Kenny were like,
OK, I feel a little sus about something. Can
I just look at your phone? I would give him my
phone. I don't know. It's hard. It was hard.
And like, but again. I think this was a very
real conversation and like when we got to the
point of like Meredith being like let's talk
about fun stuff like let's like I was like oh
she knows she's on camera and she's and this
is the first time they're having this conversation
yeah Yeah. Well, I can tell, I think they had
talked about the phone thing before, but like,
I feel like Seth just kind of let it go. And
now he had gotten to a point where it's like,
why won't you let me see it? Yeah. Right. And
I haven't really like reached that peak yet.
Right. But I don't think they're producing that
for the show at all. I think this is like, oh,
this is all very real feelings. No. Yeah. I felt
the same way. Cause like the way they're feeling
is very real. And I, But I also understand Meredith
being, like, once you know that Seth is, like,
never around, I do understand her being, like,
can we talk about something late? Oh, yeah. Can
we talk about something good? Like, use our time
together well. Right. Type of thing. I understand.
It's such a hard relationship to get into because,
like, both sides have a stand. Yeah. And here's
the thing. Spoiler alert. They work out. Yeah.
And I'm. I love Seth. I love Seth and Meredith
together as much as I love Lisa and John together.
Yeah, I think they're really good for each other.
I feel like Seth is a let it all out type of
guy and Meredith likes to keep a lot of stuff
kind of stuff down. Yeah, I think it's a weird
but good balance. Yeah, I feel like he allows
her to be a bit more free with her emotions and
what she shares. She shows up to be inappropriate
adult. Speaking of being an appropriate adult,
we go to Heather's ski day. God, the girls, the
girls all show up at the ski lodge. But Mary
is. significantly late because she was waiting
for a chanel coat to show up so she could wear
it to ski and she explains that this is because
she prefers to wear brands that don't give you
a wedgie and chanel is just one of those brands
of course of course like do you know the does
the north face give you a wedgie also you're
tiny what are you talking about wedgie oh my
god i don't i don't know um Whitney, Heather
and Meredith, Meredith all go ski in the real
mountain. Lisa, Jen and Mary stick to the bunny
hill. But we get a flashback to this. I I also
hate these scenes that are like clearly set up
for the show. We get a flashback of Jen getting
a ski lesson from the Shaw squad where she was
like running around like on the on the rollerblades.
It's like. Go down that hill or whatever they
were saying. I hate that. Like that. Yeah. Sometimes
they're funny. I think when Giselle does those
scenes, they tend to be hilarious. Maybe it's
the execution. Yeah. Yeah. With Jen. Jen Shaw.
Is a lot of things. She's not an actress. No.
No, no, no. You can tell when things are disingenuous
or they told her to do something. And it's very
uncomfortable. Yes. But I do feel like some people
are really good at pulling it off. Yeah. Giselle.
And also there's one other one that I've been
like, oh, that was cute. From Potomac. Monique.
yeah yeah where it was the it was the binders
and like the whole like she was pretending to
be a sleeve like i she the one where she's like
very clearly pretending for the show yes yeah
and it's like those are fine i think those are
funny but like yeah some of them are very uncomfortable
yeah karen huger oh no please stop please um
at the top of the mountain whitney and heather
unpacked their feelings about lisa and whitney
says she's She's known Lisa for a few years,
but they have a hard time communicating still.
And we get a flashback to Lisa telling Meredith
that they need to do a little styling for Whitney.
And Whitney goes, well, what's wrong with my
style? And the example of them having a hard
time communicating is Lisa going, well, your
style's a little Utah. And you and I have said
shit like this to people in real life. And I'm
like, it's a joke. Like, yeah, but. I also think
Lisa takes anything lightly either. So it's like
and like when if we say something like that,
it's like we're very clearly joking. And like
we I don't think we would ever say to someone
that we actually like look down on and hate.
And like if I genuinely felt that way, I wouldn't
say it. Do you know what I mean? Like if your
style genuinely is a little Utah, I'm not saying
that out loud. No, no, I don't know. And then...
I do get the vibe. This is a hot take. I do get
the vibe that a couple of them are a little bit
jealous of Miss Whitney and how young she is
and how beautiful her face is. And that's where
I'll leave that. Okay, so this is a common phenomenon,
too, on Real Housewives. We're like... The young
hot girl is ganged up on and like because it
was actually too. We saw it with Ashley Darby.
We've seen it with. Oh, God, the the the the
doctor. What is the. In Miami, the the anesthesiologist,
the one that Larsa hated. The rich doctor, she
was so hot and we saw it with. Stephanie Holman
in Dallas. Like this is a real phenomenon. I
do see that for Whitney a little bit. Yes. I'll
buy that. That's a thing. Meredith feels like
Lisa is trying to be a big sister to Whitney.
And since it's Whitney takes that to be condescending.
And I see where Meredith is coming from a little
bit. Cause I think she, I think Meredith at the
end of the day does assume positive intent from
most people. Especially Lisa because they're
friends. They're best friends. Yeah. And. So
Whitney also talks about how she feels like Lisa
is threatening to use rumors against her, but
then immediately turns around and says she doesn't
care what people think about her. And I'm just
like, OK, if you're a swinger, as she calls it,
because I hate the way she like leans into the
G. So, yeah, if you're a swing, it's a little
weird, like in general. I don't know. oh yeah
it's like the fillings and the hilling and like
the like but i think that's a utah thing if i'm
being honest it's almost like the california
girls have like a valley accent it's yeah there's
something in utah um but so we we finish that
up and then everyone goes to dinner the women
are three and a half hours late for their dinner
reservation and i guess the restaurant's about
to close The way that you've seen me be this
person before. We're like, if people can't get
their shit together and be on time for something,
I turn into a demon monster. I hate it. And I
don't know because it didn't always happen this
way. I don't know when this happened, but it's
like the new cool thing to be an hour late to
everything. I hate that. It's not cute. You're
not just a girl. You are wasting people's time.
You're wasting people's time. You're wasting
people's time. I hate it. And it's the most rude
and inconsiderate thing. Like, I'll buy if something
came up and you're late for a reservation. Like,
I can let it slide one time, like, whatever.
No, but people make it their personality. They're
late to everything. Yes. And, like, this was
a knockdown drag out fight that, on the infamous
Vegas trip, I had a knockdown drag out fight
with the... The person who this trip was revolving
around, because I was like, we're we're two and
a half hours late for a dinner reservation. And
it was the only thing on this trip that I cared
about. And I was like crying over, like being
late to Lisa Vanderpump's restaurant. I was like,
what the fuck are we doing? And I was like, why
can we not get our shit together to go to fucking
dinner? I just don't understand it because it's
like. If you found out the day of and like you
got to get ready and you got to do all this stuff,
then I understand. No, this was a reservation
we had made three weeks in advance. Like when
you know something has been in your calendar,
even if it's just for a few days, you knew this
was coming up and you decided not to plan for
it, which shows a lack of consideration on your
part. Yes. That is how I feel. Right. You are
inconsiderate and you're selfish and I'm willing
to go that far. Yeah. And I'm late to stuff.
Okay. I am. I can be 15 minutes late occasionally.
Sure. But it's almost always Jack. Right. Almost
every time. But that's the thing is like. Your
excuse is, I was getting ready. Like, I hate
it. I hate that. I was so mad. Like, I see those
posts on Twitter and on TikTok where, like, my
dinner reservation is at 6, me at 5 .59, and
they're, like, getting into the shower or whatever,
and they're, like, a cute little hamster with
a bow on their head. It's infuriating to me.
What do you mean? Anyway, the restaurant still
seats them, whatever. So Whitney starts to talk
about how she feels judged by Lisa and she dances
around the word swinger because she feels like
if that comes into the conversation, the conversation
starts to revolve around whether or not she's
a swinger. And here's my thing. If Whitney's
a swinger. Whitney. What? You said Wendy. Oh,
I'm sorry. If Whitney's a swinger. I want Whitney
to be a swinger. I think Whitney and Justin are
an incredibly hot couple. And I think if there's
love to share, I'll share it. That's beautiful.
And also, can we talk about she's the only one
who has brought this to light on the show. She
said Lisa threatened to use it against her on
camera. Right. She never said it on camera. She's
probably not going to use it against you because
it doesn't seem like she has a lot of evidence.
And you're the one. You're the only one that's
ever said swinger. Like, why are you doing that?
Anyway. But yeah, like it's I don't care if anyone's
a swinger. I want you to swing. But like, it
feels like. No, it's not even about that. It's
just like. It feels like we're. Talking about
a little too much. Right. Are you advertising?
Right. And by the way, I'll sign right up. Yeah.
You're hot. Your husband is hot. They're so hot.
And like for a husband that's he's almost 20
years older than Whitney. Like Justin's hot.
And he's like the most kind, gentle soul on the
show. I want to hug him. I just want to hug from
him. He just seems so cute. Anyway. So Lisa says
she doesn't judge Whitney because she doesn't
care enough to judge Whitney. And I thought that
was the most cunt thing anyone could ever say.
I loved that. Yeah, but it felt like it was just
pure venom. Like she doesn't actually mean that.
She was just. Oh, I think she absolutely meant
it. I don't think so. I think she has some weird
reason she does not want to be associated with
her or Heather. And that in itself means you
care about her a little too much. She's living
rent free in your head. That's fair. Heather
says she doesn't feel like there's been loving
kindness between her and Lisa. And Lisa says
her intent is always good and she's OK with how
the group perceives her. Yeah, she seems like
she went into this dinner. If she were a porcupine,
all of her quills are up. Yes. It also feels
like she went to media training because like
if you hear how she like markets, I mean, she
owns a marketing company. So like she's marketing
herself as. I'm a good person. And you know I'm
a good person. And I don't think Lisa Barlow
is a bad person. Let me just say that. I'll go
on record saying that. I just said last episode
that she's my favorite on the show. Yes. I love
her. But it feels like she's trying to convince
other people that she's good. And why? I don't
know. It's a weird dichotomy that we're seeing
here. She's being very defensive for no reason.
That's the word, yes. And you know what it kind
of gives? What? Not as bad, and I don't hate
her for it nearly as much. She's ultra defensive,
just like Demi on the last season of Secret Lives
of Mormon Wives. Yes, she is. Just like, you
can't say anything to her without her being like,
ah! But what you will see, and this is what...
really starts to bother me about lisa barlow
is like she does the same thing dimmy does is
she gets loud like she's it's like if we're fighting
whoever is the loudest wins right and that i'm
just like you've lost the plot babe i also don't
feel like she goes into these conversations with
the intent of solving anything no no because
she's right Right. As far as she's concerned,
she is correct. She wants to prove to the other
girl and America that she is correct. She's not
going into these conversations being like, I
want to fix our relationship or anything like
that. And that does bother me. Because you see
it big time once we get to the reunion of this
season. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. I'll tell
you, it gets worse next season. Yeah. It gets
real bad next season. Yeah. I've started season
two. I just, yeah. I don't know why she's like
that. I don't either. I loved her before she
started the whole show. I would love to be friends
with Lisa Barlow. Like, let me just tell you
right now, I would love to be friends with Lisa
Barlow. I think she's probably one of the most
incredibly generous people out there. I think
she's probably so fun to be around. And I think
she's probably incredibly funny on and off camera
sometimes. I just wish she knew that she was
likable without having to yell about it. Yeah,
like because it seems like she's trying to prove
something. Right. Right. Yeah. It's like I wish
you understood that you are so much more likable
when you are chill. Yeah. But then to close out
the dinner, we get into a text thread where Lisa
sent a thumbs up emoji to Lisa and Lisa interpreted
it as a fuck you. You said Lisa sent a thumbs
up to Lisa. No. Heather sent a thumbs up to Lisa
and Lisa interpreted it as a fuck you. Did I
not write that? No, that's what you wrote. But
what you said out loud was Lisa sent. Oh, I'm
sorry. OK, sorry. Heather sent a thumbs up emoji
to Lisa and Lisa interpreted it as a fuck you.
and this is a this is a gen z thing that i've
i've had fights with one of my cousins about
this where i'm just like that's that's not what
it means it just means okay whatever and like
can it be seen as like whatever jesus christ
it's a it's a fucking emoji i feel like it has
the same energy of saying k sure like that's
what it is the gen z version of is like like
i don't know especially if you say something
like emotional or apologetic or something like
that and instead of having anything thoughtful
to say you react to it with a thumbs up that
is a little bit like shady sure but then we get
into fighting about an emoji and lisa literally
says out loud don't diminish the thumbs up jesus
christ yeah it's the drama i do feel like it
probably took lisa a lot to like send that text
in the first place and that's why she wanted
like an honest answer and i'll give her that
but like take the answer you're given lisa Just
be like, if anything, be like, I wish you would
have accepted my apology. I wish we could have
talked that out and then drop it. Right. But
then here here again with Heather, it's how we
started the episode. It's how we're ending the
episode. Heather's like, that's not what it meant.
That's not what it meant at all. She gets into
a confessional. And again, I love Heather Gay.
I wish I wish I had a mom like Heather Gay. I
think it's so funny when she does this, but it
is messy as fuck. Exactly. Where the producer
goes. the thumbs up emoji and Heather goes it
was absolutely a fuck you oh my god Heather there's
something to be said for like trying to calm
the situation at hand and being like, it's just
a thumbs up. Don't, don't freak out. It's gaslighting.
What she's doing is gaslighting. Yes, she is
gaslighting. And I understand. It's just so funny.
So I'll ask the same question. She does that
so many times this season. She does it the entire
series. Every time she talks to Jen, she says
something to Jen and then she turns around and
she's like, it's an honor to be your friend.
It's okay. It's like, Hey, pretty bird. Like
it's like, it's very bad. And then it's just
out of her fucking mind. So I asked the same
question last week. About who you'd want to be
friends with from this cast. Has that has that
answer changed this week? So. I still will stand
behind Lisa Barlow, I think, because at this
point in the show, she is my favorite. OK. However,
she is on thin ice for me after this episode.
OK. I was still 10 toes down for her the first
time I watched this, though. I was like, yeah.
I still like you. Yeah. This was the first episode
I remember watching where I started getting hard
eyes for Whitney, though. OK. I just think. Yeah.
Yeah. What about you? Who would you be? Heather
or Lisa? Yeah. I don't think I really got on
the Heather Gay train until later in this season
when she starts talking about some heavier stuff.
And I was like, oh, I really like you. Yeah.
I think. my favorite moments with heather are
where she's just being the best mom on god's
green earth i'm like oh this is where you really
shine because like you yeah even if you're a
little bit messy even if there's some problematic
stuff with like your how you're separating from
the church and like you're processing some of
that even with all of that you are still the
best mom on god's green earth and that's not
to say that anyone's less of a good mom because
i think This show is nothing but good mothers.
Heather is an incredible mom, though. Yeah, I
think she just really gets it. And I yeah, I'll
talk about her more later in this season. I actually
really, really love Heather Gay. Like would take
a bullet for Heather Gay. But I don't think you
really see it until later in the season. Like
after this episode, I was kind of like. she's
messy i think that's what i liked about her yeah
no i love that she has that side to her she's
like very real i think to generalize her as a
person she is so amazing like she is such so
real and like outstanding from the rest of the
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