Hi, I'm Travis. And I'm Emma. And this is Bestie
Approved. What's the last song you listened to?
Oh yeah, hold on. Aw, it was open to Bestie Approved.
Hold on. I believe. Oh, I know the last song
I listened to. It was on TikTok. It was a performance
of King for a Day by Pierce the Veil. And they
brought out Kellen Quinn. It was like the most
amazing thing I've ever seen. And I would have
lost my mind if I were there. I love that. It
was beautiful. Mine was Red Flag by Kesha. I
love that. Are we on? to Kesha like are you in
a Kesha only state after her concert um yeah
yeah I think so um yes we are in a very Kesha
place now that I've seen her my life has been
changed for the better I'm so happy for you so
um for everyone out there I went and saw Kesha
on Friday and it was the best night of my life
I So FaceTime lets you leave voicemails now.
And Emma received a FaceTime voicemail from me
at, what, 2 o 'clock in the morning of me literally
crying. And my voice was shot to hell. And I
was just in a state of euphoria. And I was just
like, she's in such a good place. I'm so happy
for her. I love her so much. And I was just really
happy to be there. It was really good. And let
me just tell you, Kesha puts on a... fucking
show oh yeah i think she did even when she was
like being tortured yes like she like she came
out and she talked about how like she's happy
when she's performing and like this is what she
like this is why she does it and i oh my god
it was so good she doesn't know how not to serve
no to be honest not a clue not a clue when it
comes to being demure That's beautiful. While
we're here, should we talk about the day before
you went to Kesha? Why not? So the day before
I went to Kesha, Emma and I had what can only
be described as medical adventures. Well, I guess.
Travis called me. While I was getting in the
car to go to the emergency room, and his ass
was in the emergency room. I could not believe
my eyes. Well, so you'd already been to the emergency
room once that day before I had called you. Yeah,
I was going back. Right. Yeah. So, do you want
to start with yours or do you want to start with
mine? We can go in chronological order. Okay,
go for it. So, I was having... minor things go
on with the pregnancy nothing crazy but it happened
for like a few days and so I messaged my OB and
I was like hey I really just need you to tell
me that this is all normal and fine blah blah
blah to which they called me and said please
go to the ER and I said okay and while we're
on that that has to be the most terrifying fucking
thing an ob -gyn can say to someone right because
when you're pregnant everything is like it could
be that you're losing the pregnancy or it could
be nothing everything every single little thing
every single little thing is like that and so
yeah i was terrified and i they were like okay
so which er are you gonna go to and i was like
well if it doesn't matter i'm just gonna go to
the one closest to my house So I do that. They
get there, they tell me, what's the most important
thing? Or they ask me, what's the most important
thing for you today? And I was like, I just want...
What? What? Yes. Yeah, they said, what do you
need from us, basically? And so what I thought
was happening is that I thought I was having
an amniotic fluid leak. So I tell them, upon
arrival... I want to make sure I'm not leaking
amniotic fluid. It's like the stuff the baby
is surrounded in in my uterus, right? Right,
right, right, right. And they go, okay, great.
We're going to test to see if you have a yeast
infection, BV, or UTI. And then once those are
all back, we're going to tell you we don't have
labor and delivery here and we cannot test to
see if you are leaking amniotic fluid. So you
should probably call your OB and tell her that
we can't run that test, even though we just kept
you here for two hours for no reason. So I do
that. And the OB on call, because at this point,
it's like 530 in the evening. The OB on call
is like. I hate to tell you this, but you're
going to have to go to our emergency room so
they can run that test. I don't know why they
thought it was appropriate to even keep you there,
blah, blah, blah. So I was like, okay, I'll do
that. And I did that and everything is fine,
right? But on my way there is when I called Travis
and he's in the emergency room. Cut to Travis.
So... So mine is... A little more. A little more
fuzzy than Emma's, so I. Oh, oh, because you
were unconscious. Yes. OK, so I was at school.
I was on campus doing homework and then I had
an interview with another podcast who it's called.
This might get messy. You'll hear about it in
a in a couple of weeks. But I was like, I have
to pee before I get in my car. And I wasn't going
anywhere special. I wasn't doing anything special.
It was completely normal. And I would actually
argue it was a chiller than normal day because
I had not had four Alani News that day. So true.
So I go to the bathroom. I have to pee. And I
very vividly remember standing at a urinal. And
the next thing I know, I wake up in the floor
of the bathroom, dick out. Oh, I didn't even
think about that. Yeah. And I was just like,
what the fuck happened? And all I could feel
was my head hurting. And for a second there,
I was like, did someone come up and hit me in
the back of the head? That's all I could think.
And that didn't happen, obviously. I just passed
out. I was like, let me gather my things because
like I, my phone had like flown across the room.
My beats were like in two separate places. Like
it was the most bizarre situation. I was like,
okay, let me, let me just get my shit together
and like get in the car. And then I received
a start walking to the car and I was like, God,
I. am in pain and then i proceed to like feel
the back of my head and i like look at my hand
and i was like oh i busted my head open yeah
and so i was like okay let me go to the closest
hospital which is for for everyone keeping track
is eskenazi hospital That is the stroke hospital.
Where I went for my stroke. And this is now the
second time I've gone into that hospital and
I've been like, hey, I don't know what happened,
but can we just take a look under the hood and
see what's going on? And this is the second time
I've gone to that hospital and they've been like,
please get in a wheelchair now. Yeah, I don't
think they play around with head trauma. Also,
when I went to the second ER, they put me in
a wheelchair. I was like, Mama, I was just eating
Chick -fil -A in your parking lot. Right. I'm
fine. Right. So, at this point, I think I called
Emma already just because I just needed to talk
to her. Oh, yeah, and I called you back. Yes.
Because I think you called me when I was in the
first ER. I think so. yeah and then yeah so like
the long and short of it is they don't really
know what happened i have to follow up with my
doctor like whatever and they stapled my head
shut cut to emma being on the phone with me and
i was being like ha ha ha we're in the hospital
how funny yeah so fucking chaotic okay now it's
back to you no everything turned out fine they
like ran a bunch of tests while i was there they
wouldn't let me leave until one of the tests
came back Because if it is, like, a fluid leak,
they need to monitor you and, like, see what's
happening inside. La -di -da -di -da. But that
does kind of lead me into the pregnancy update
for this week. I am 19. I'm sorry. I'm 20 weeks
today. That is wild. We had the anatomy scan
yesterday. The baby. is measuring two weeks bigger
than it's supposed to be. My app says he should
be around 10 ounces. He is 15. Wait, so he's
50 % larger than he's supposed to be. Right.
Him's a thick little boy. Him's a thick little
boy. There's like a million things that can lead
to that. They say it's like... Um, if you have
gestational diabetes, which obviously I've been
making myself anxious about, but also like babies
don't grow in a linear way. They have like growth
spurts. And so he could have just gone through
a growth spurt. A lot of babies average out like
towards the end of pregnancy. Not the biggest
deal, but he's huge. They saw him. kicking and
wiggling and being crazy which was so validating
for me because i feel him all the time like all
the time constantly and i didn't have that with
jack he is just they were like definitely a wiggle
worm i was like yeah yeah i love that he had
his hands like up to his face like he was gonna
box somebody it was great he's healthy everything's
fine um yeah Nothing too crazy. My app says he's
the size of a sweet potato, but if he's measuring
22 weeks, he's actually the size of a papaya.
A papaya. Papaya. I can't believe he's almost
a pound. It's crazy. Yeah, that is wild. Yeah.
Also, I was reading up on this so much yesterday.
A lot of people have said that the estimates
you get from... an ultrasound for weight are
a lot of times just like wrong like dead wrong
like i saw some lady on reddit who was like they
told me i was gonna have an 11 pound baby and
they came out under seven pounds i i'm gonna
be real with you because you know i know nothing
of the nature of a baby i guess in my mind they
they like weighed you at the beginning of your
pregnancy and then they like just started weighing
you as you went on and that's just how they estimated
the weight of the baby like that's just how i
assumed it worked well i can't do that because
like number one you're putting on weight but
even besides that you grow the amniotic sac you
have all the amniotic fluid so it weighs more
than what the baby would yeah okay that's fair
i see i don't know so much extra stuff on top
of the baby Yeah. The sack that he's floating
in, you know? Yeah, yeah. That, like, holds weight.
So... Yeah, I guess that's why. Well... Yeah,
now we know. Now we know. Hi, little papaya.
Papaya. I love that. He is in there going crazy,
going stupid. Every time I lay down, I'm like,
okay. Also, he's breech. What is that? Which
means... So, like... When a baby is being born,
they're supposed to have their head down, right?
So the head comes out first. He's feet down right
now. So he's just kicking me right in the cervix.
Is that, like, incredibly painful? No. I have,
like, pressure in my pelvis. Like, I can feel
it. It feels like someone kicked me in the gooch
or something. But, I mean, it's not. Crazy. Yeah.
I don't like that. And you can like feel where
he is now. Like most of my stomach feels normal
except for where the baby is. It feels hard.
You can feel him in there. Really? I had Kenny
feel him for the first time last night and he
went. That's the first time he's felt the baby.
That's wild to me. Yeah. Do you know what I just
realized? This is our 10th episode. Right. 10.
episode in the double digits baby that is insane
i know it is i love that um what's next so we've
got i put a lot on the on the list this week
actually well while we're doing announcements
and updates we could talk about the podcast movement
2025 okay yeah so um at the very beginning of
this little journey i and emma's been incredibly
good at like kind of reeling me in with some
of this where it's like i will want to be the
best at everything and like i want to be the
next like sexy unique podcast or the next brav
bros or the next like the next last did you watch
the cultural awards by the way yes can we talk
about that for a second did you see the video
with Her name is escaping me. Jamie Lee Curtis?
Yes. I always want to say Jamie Lynn Spears,
which is not bad. No, not her. Different Jamie.
Worse Jamie. Well, Jamie Lee Curtis is the better
Jamie. Right. Let's establish that right now.
But that video of her telling them to, like,
rein themselves in at their own fucking award
show. Like, who do you fucking think you are?
I think Jamie Lee Curtis is one of the funniest
people on God's green earth. And like, I'll give
her a pass on that. I think she's so funny. I
don't. I don't. I think that she's funny most
of the time, but I feel like we just saw the
real her. Okay. That's fair. Like having their
moment and you're telling them they need to bring
it down a notch. Fuck you. Okay. That was, I
really did not appreciate that. Fair. At all.
Anyway. Anyway. But, like, in my mind, I was
like, I want to be the next Alex. Call her daddy.
What is Alex's? Alex Cooper. I want to be the
next Alex Cooper. And Emma's been like, let's
just get really good at, like, one thing at a
time. Yeah. And so it's been, let's get really,
really good at. being comfortable on a microphone
well that and like the audio and like that of
all of it which is i think we've i think we've
come an extremely long way by the way yeah there's
always room for improvement i'm i'm talking about
myself not you no i think yeah no i think we've
both done incredible i think you started off
much more comfortable than i was because i was
just like i don't know how to like talk and shit
on a microphone oh i just never given a fuck
but that being said in the very beginning of
all this i filled out an application to go to
the podcast movement conference in dallas and
they gave us well they gave both of us free tickets
to go um but emma's got baby august and then
the next day is jack's birthday and everything
so i'm going to that yeah i wish i could go i
think we'd have we'll go next year it'll be yeah
it'll be the second week of jack in first grade
and i would get back like on his birthday it's
just a whole thing Anyway. I'm so excited, though.
I think it's going to be so cool. If anyone's
listening that's going to be there, let me know.
We could guest swap. Speaking of which, someone
commented on our Spotify. You can literally let
us know things. Hello. Yes. We got our first
comment ever on Spotify. Hang on. I'm going to
go to it. I'm going to read it. This man's name
is Jordan. I haven't forgotten his name. But
we don't know him, right? Like, you don't know
him. No, I have no idea who this guy is. But
I know that I love him. And I'll kiss him right
on the mouth. I know. I want to send him my life
savings. Thank you. So Jordan, a week ago, commented
on one of our episodes on Spotify. He said, everyone
needs a Travis and Emma in their life. love the
podcast guys keep it up and my god like i read
that and that made my entire day like i can't
even tell you that was the coolest thing he could
have just said like one word and i still would
have been like but but it was so sweet it's so
cool so thank you so much jordan and listen if
anyone on god's green earth is willing to comment
on our little podcast We're going to shout you
out. Just know that. We're going to shout you
out. We're going to embarrass you. Just say it.
Say whatever you want. I don't even care if it's
mean. Say it. Be mean to us. We love mean people.
Constructive criticism makes the world go round.
Hello. Thank you so much, Jordan. That was really,
really, really cool of you. That was... This
is the thing. Emma and I don't think that we're
out here like... changing lives we don't think
we're doing hard -hitting journalism by any stretch
of the imagination we're two idiots on the internet
with microphones because that's what the world
needed i don't have a bulletproof vest mama we're
just talking no and the fact that someone like
recognized a like this is two friends just talking
and that this is entertaining to them that was
really fucking cool i'm I'm so happy about that.
How nice. What's next? Oh, the Hollister Vintage
Collection. Have you seen this on TikTok? Oh,
vaguely. So I looked it up. Are they just like
bringing back what they were putting out in 2012?
2009 is where it's really thrown back to. I recognize
some of the outfits from. when i worked there
and that was really really really hard for me
to unpack i hate that we've lost okay so technically
for something to be vintage send us an email
comment tell me if i'm wrong but i've always
been told for something to be vintage it has
to be more than 50 years old for something to
be antique it has to be more than 100 years old
so they're not we're really stretching what vintage
means and Hollister's not the first one to do
this all the TikTok and fashion girlies who like
go thrifting and stuff love to call things vintage
from the early 2000s that's not vintage so I
what you're describing is what vintage used to
be and this this comes back to the conversation
we had when we were talking about Anna Wintour
where like fast fashion trends don't last for
a year anymore right like because it like they
it used to go in cycles where it was like i the
last time i really remember this happening was
probably 2012 2013 where things moved in cyclical
trends and now it is like something matters for
like a week or two or like a month whatever and
then it's on to the next thing i think this is
the result of that because what you're describing
the vintage the antique thing absolutely used
to be a rule i don't think it's a rule anymore
so why can we just change the definition of things
i would like some input on that because we're
back to bootcut jeans mama can i just tell you
a secret I never departed from bootcut jeans.
It has always been the Aiden bootcut jean from
Buckle. That is the only jean I have worn for
probably 15 years. I do think that bootcut jeans
look much better on men than they do on women.
You know what I'm talking about with women? Yeah,
it's Denise Richards is what you're describing.
Denise Richards in a pair of bootcut jeans. And
I think she is so cunt in them because it reminds
me of... Jessica Simpson and Britney Spears in
like 2005, 2006. I know exactly what you're talking
about, but I think a woman looks incredible.
Here's the thing. I think a woman and a guy,
they all look incredible in whatever the fuck
they want to wear. What are you? I think that's
kind. Emma just showed me a picture of a woman
in book cut jeans. I want everyone to wear exactly
what they want to wear. I want everyone to feel
comfortable and confident. i just maybe it's
because i was like 14 wearing bootcut jeans and
i just hated myself but i don't understand i
just don't understand and maybe it's because
i'm so old i'm pushing 30 and so i'm seeing trends
come back from my childhood where i'm like oh
no that's that's how i felt when like they started
talking about the hollister vintage collection
where but I think the problem that I'm having
with it is Hollister is the one bringing it back.
It's not the girls on TikTok. It is Hollister
saying, I know what we're going to dip into the
archives here. From, like, the applique t -shirts
and the, like... The red bird. Yeah, the whole
thing. And I'm like... I can't be this old. I
have PTSD. I can't. Sorry. I just... I don't
know. And like, are they ever going to acknowledge
how problematic they were in that era? Are they
ever going to own up to that? No, I don't think
they will. But what I wish they would bring back,
and this is a deep cut for anyone who is, you
probably have to be over the age of what I like
to pretend is 27, but you have to be over 30
to actually remember this. There was a brand
called Rule. It was, I think they had like maybe
30 stores total. And it was the high -end line
from Abercrombie & Fitch. And it was the best
clothes. It was all the same thing. Like Abercrombie
Hollister and Rule all sold the exact same thing,
but they just put a different price tag and a
different logo on it. I want them to bring back
Rule so fucking bad. Like, that's what I want.
If we're going to bring back anything from 2009,
2010, that's what I want back. I just feel like
we don't have the aesthetic for it anymore. People
aren't spraying too much cologne in their stores.
I don't know. People aren't, like, starving themselves
to be a size zero, which is great, by the way.
But, like, why can't we do something new? Have
you seen them bringing back, like, have you seen
them talking about, I think it's called vanity
sizing where what they're doing now is like,
they're actually putting zero double zero on
jeans that are like a two or a three, because
there was a girl on Tik TOK. When I like looked
up Hollister vintage collection, she put her
double zero jeans from high school next to double
zero jeans from like today at Hollister. And
they are not the same size. And I, I knew they
were doing that like intuitively. Like I, Could
just tell. Because I grew up in that era where,
like, I knew what I couldn't fit into. And now
I look at some of those sizes and I'm like, mmm.
Like, especially when I got skinny a few years
ago, I was wearing, like, a six. And I was like,
I'm not as skinny as I was in high school. Like,
someone's lying. I knew. I knew. Wait, so which
one? Is it the 2009 jeans that are lying or the
jeans today that are lying? I don't know. I think
if we had some kind of... Because here's the
other thing, is that girls are expected to wear
skin -tight jeans. Because number one, they look
cunty. Let's be so honest. Oh, yeah. But number
two, misogyny. Whatever. Okay. Right? However,
it was always, and still is... It was always
true that you didn't wear the same size at like
American Eagle, that you did at Hollister, that
you did at Abercrombie. Like there wasn't really
like a hard and fast measurement where like if
your hips are this measurement and your waist
is this measurement and your inseam is this,
then you wear this size. It was like, that's
true for each brand, but the numbers are different.
Well, it was true for guys, though. That was
the fucked up part. Yeah. Which is, I was always,
always, always, always a 30 Abercrombie Hollister
anywhere I went. Because it means 30 inches.
Right. Right. That's not true for women. That
is so fucked up, though, because like... And
now looking back on it, I very vividly remember
these girls coming in into the fitting rooms
at Abercrombie at Circle Center Mall being so
excited that they could finally fit into a double
zero. And Jesus Christ, now that I'm saying that
out loud, I'm like, oh, we were the problem.
100%. 100%. And so it's always been true that
you're a different size for different brands.
Speaking only for women, obviously. You're a
different size for different brands because the
measurements aren't a hard and fast rule. And
so they can go in and change that whenever they
want. And I think a lot of people have done the
vanity sizing thing where... they've changed
the hip circumference and waist circumference
to be a little bit bigger for each size so that
you can fit in a double zero or a zero or two
or whatever see that's and that's where i'm conflicted
and you know who i would really like to have
on to talk about this is the people that host
it's about bravo because they are stylists and
they work in fashion and they've styled some
of the real housewives for reunions before i'm
like i would like to unpack this a little bit
because like i don't know if i feel good like
oh you're like Not making someone feel like ashamed
for not being a double zero and you're still
calling it a double zero. Or are we saying like,
oh, you can only be good enough if you're a double
zero. I don't know where I fall on that. I think
we should change the measurements in general.
Because here's the thing. If it were like how
it is for men and we were just. saying our waist
size and our inseam it would make shopping so
much easier it would make things easier to buy
online it would make everything a lot easier
if we would just change to that but we won't
well the buckle does that the buckle like you
go in and i because i've gone in with bailey
before and she's like i mean bailey like has
never had a problem in her life she's always
been skinny and like the prettiest of all six
of bailey's my cousin and she's always been the
prettiest of the six grandkids and we all hate
her but yeah not really i love her to death but
like she's never been ugly a day in her life
so she goes in and she's like yeah i'm a 26 and
i'm like yeah it must be nice they do have that
some places but it's not the rule it's the exception
for sure you know who we should have on the podcast
to talk about this too who stacy london i would
like to pick her brain i love stacy london me
too i think she's so cool yeah and i would like
to know what she has to say about sizing because
even back when what not to wear was on television
and the height of the ed epidemic and all of
that she always said she was like very empowering
now that i think about it she was always like
you need clothes that fit you yeah if you get
clothes that are too small you are not accomplishing
what you think you're accomplishing right you
need to just get the size that fits you I would
love to pick her brain. Stacey London? Stacey
London, if you're listening, if anyone knows
Stacey London, please bring her on Bestie Approved.
Stacey London, you are Bestie Approved. 100%.
What else? What else is on the list? We have
the man who is lonely of his own accord because
he thinks women shouldn't subscribe to the Me
Too movement. This little boy gets up on TikTok
and he goes, fellas, if you know a girl that
is in the Me Too movement or is empowered or
like whatever. Is a feminist at all. Yes. Make
sure you friend zone her. Make sure that you
don't get in a relationship with her. Basically
saying you need a woman to be subservient to
you and to follow you and to never speak out
of turn. And Jesus Christ in heaven. It is conflicting
to me, to be honest with you. Not the point that
he's making. Obviously, he's a garbage man. But
I'm conflicted on it because part of me is like,
yeah, if you think that way, you should leave
women the fuck alone. Like, I want you to friend
zone every woman because I don't think they should
want to be with you. That. But also, I'm sure
that's the same type of guy who's like, male
loneliness epidemic, midwomen think they can
get hot guys now. It's because you think this
way. Shut up. Here's what I want to explain to
everyone. If you are in a relationship that works
for you, one of my cousins is like this, where
she's doing the trad wife thing, and she is...
not into feminism and that's hard for me but
like i can't tell anyone else how to be no whatever
like i feel what you feel and your feelings are
real and don't push your feelings on other people
is the biggest point But for someone to be so
comfortable getting on the internet and saying
with their whole chest, no, women shouldn't be
feminists and they should all be friends. Okay,
then you know what? More for the guys that are
not assholes. More for guys like Thor and Bradley
who are intimidated by a strong woman. Like,
go fuck yourself. Like, Jesus God. It is this
toxic masculinity thing where I'm just like,
yeah, men don't deserve rights. Like, let's just...
Yeah, and part of me wants to, like, not correct
them. Because, like, if you feel that way and
you think that way, then yes, please stay the
fuck out of women's way. Like, please don't bother
them. Right. Like, if you hate them so much,
I kind of want you to continue to hate them.
Well, and that's the thing is, like, do you actually
hate women? Like, because that's all it can be
in my mind. You hate women. A hundred percent.
That's what it is. I think it's also like a lot
of, it's sort of like a prejudice thing where
like they're not even willing to recognize their
own prejudice and like work through that. They
just think they're correct. It's a lot of my
feelings are facts. It's that. And do you want
to know what else I think a big part of it is?
The church. Yeah, I can see that. Because. growing
up in the nazarene church women are told they
are not get yourself a man well it's it's you're
told you need to find a man you're told you need
to find a husband you're told that like you know
your only value in life is that of being a mother
of being a wife of being the keeper of a home
and if that's the life you want to live i won't
tell anyone they shouldn't live that but i don't
i have a problem with indoctrinating entire groups
of women and then furthermore entire groups of
men into believing that that is a woman's place
in the world i think that's so sick i think the
rhetoric like the message isn't isn't i mean
whatever if it's not for you it's not for you
if it's for you then it's for you but the rhetoric
of how they explain themselves is troublesome
to me because the one that rings in my mind is
them saying well even if you do have this big
wig job and a successful career and a social
life to be proud of and all of this still the
most important thing you'll ever do is be a mother
shut the fuck up i've heard that so many times
and it's like come on like it is raising children
important yes we are seeing the repercussions
as to why because you have fuckers like this
on tiktok if your 16 year old starts talking
like this guy is talking on tiktok you need to
sit him down and say hey you don't think that
way about women he was never corrected by his
parents and so yes motherhood is important in
that sense where you need to be involved with
your kids and you need to teach them what is
correct. However, I think if you're a CEO and
you hire a nanny, that does not make you a failure
as a woman. No. Like, what? Do you know who's
actually really, really good at talking about
this? Jennifer and Angie from I've Had It. They're
very, very good at explaining this stuff to their
kids. Because I think they both only have sons.
I'm pretty sure they only have sons. I could
be completely wrong. But I know both of them
have sons. And they're like, you will not act
like this. Just know that. Right. And so I guess
the point I'm making is that motherhood is important
in that sense of you are responsible for raising
children who become adults. with empathy and
compassion and can understand people from different
walks of life and all of that yes right is it
the most important thing you'll ever do not necessarily
but if it is for you there's nothing wrong with
it but i think the problem with that the idea
around the most important thing a woman can do
is be a mother then like what are you going to
do with all like the the women out there that
can't have kids what are you gonna do with devastating
to them right well i had a similar experience
when i was breastfeeding like so jack is two
weeks old his dad gets in a car accident i'm
stressed out my body is responding to that and
i like stopped producing enough milk to feed
jack so like we had to switch to formula right
and i beat myself up because i was like you're
built to do that you are literally built to nourish
a baby blah blah that is insane like that is
the most insane way to think and yeah i think
most women think that way to some extent i think
that's so fucked up yeah it's like what is a
man doing I'm trying to think. I'm a man, and
I don't know what we're doing. I'm saying, like,
a man's not ever going to beat himself up for
being infertile. He's going to be like, oh, man.
Darn it. But he's not going to, like, cry over
it for two weeks. Oh, man. Darn it. He's not
going to, like, you know what I mean? I do. It's
just, like, the onus is so on women, and we just
let men go golf or whatever. I don't understand
it. oh we need to do better do you have anything
to complain about today yeah oh oh you go first
because i just saw what's on your list i'm gonna
start this off by saying congratulations to trisha
paytas on your third child i think that's beautiful
also thank you for bringing ozzy osbourne back
into the world apparently yeah i listen From
what I've seen, which is not a lot because I
will not watch Trisha Paytas. I'm about to get
into it. She seems like an excellent mother.
Oh, yeah. I think she's probably an incredible
mother. She's a completely different personality
than she is online. I'll give her that, probably.
100%. I think her daughters and now her son are
in very good hands. However, the way the internet
is willing to just forget. Everything she did
up to this point and give her millions and millions
and millions of views and likes and dollars is
dumbfounding to me. Have we forgotten how problematic
this woman is? Like, wow. Wow. So this is, it's
funny that you bring Trisha Paytas up because
Brittany, the girl that I went to the Kesha concert
with, really loves Trisha Paytas. My first question
whenever I hear someone really loves Trisha Paytas
is, are you aware of all the things she has done
and said? I'm not. I'm going to be super real
with you. I don't know what she's... I don't
even really want to get into it. Okay. But she...
She's had a very problematic past. And most recently,
being affiliated with Ethan Klein in the H3 podcast.
That's the one that she quit in the middle of,
though, right? Yes. I don't know if I know who
Ethan Klein is, though. I'm going to be super
real with you. So, Ethan Klein is a Zionist.
Oh, he's the guy that's always fighting with
Hasan Piker. Yeah, his wife was in the idea of
all of that. He's straight. Mm -hmm. Isn't that
shocking? I know. Oh. And they have the color
-blocked clothing that's super ugly and all of
that. Yeah. I was under the impression that Trisha
Paytas had a podcast with a gay man. I did not
know. No. No, he's straight. He's just... And
by the way, on their podcast, I can't believe
I'm defending Trisha Paytas while I'm complaining
about her, but he was mean to her. i remember
seeing clips on tiktok where she would start
crying and i was like this like i i swear to
god i thought it was all an act and like i thought
it was like they they turned the mics off and
it was like you and me i swear to god that's
what i thought it was her saying has always been
and maybe this is why she's rubbed me the wrong
way and so like all of the problematic shit that
she's done just like lives rent free in my brain
she does she is very She leans into being stupid,
like a dumb blonde. I think that's where I have
a hard time with her, because I'm like, I know
you're not this dumb. I know you are not dumb.
You can't be. And if you are, get off the internet.
She just has very much rubbed me the wrong way.
I really don't like when women lean into just
being stupid. There are ways... Listen, I'm a
little stupid. No, no, no, no. I was going to
say, we know someone who... yeah that we used
to work with that her entire personality was
pink but it's and it's like the baby voice of
it all yes i hate that oh my god now that you're
saying this out loud that person and trisha paytas
are incredibly similar yeah they kind of are
okay so like one problematic thing she's done
that's not very polarizing it's just like weird
she pretended to be john benet ramsey the little
girl who was murdered what yeah she like made
a video pretending to be her it was very weird
do people believe it no no no, no. Like, she
pretended to be her and then pretended to, like,
get beat up by her dad or something like that.
It was so weird. It's so weird. And this is,
like, at least 10 years ago. But, yeah. It's
been weird from the start. And she was married
at one point to, or not married, but, like, seriously
dating Jason Nash, who's, like, affiliated with
David Dobrik, and that's a whole thing. And,
like, I don't, I don't know. I just, her fans
I feel like just come out of the woodwork and
I'm just I don't know like if you like it I guess
go for it but I feel like a lot of people because
I see young lots of people like younger than
me being fans of trisha paytas and i'm like do
you know what you're even subscribing to like
are you even aware of what you're affiliating
yourself with that's just how i feel anyway done
complaining about trisha again congratulations
on your son i'm sure you're a wonderful mother
i'm more complaining that the public's perception
of you does not feel accurate Do you think people
actually believe that Trisha Paytas' babies are
the second comings of whoever these people are?
Because it was the Pope, it was Queen Elizabeth,
and now it's Ozzy Osbourne. Yeah. And they're
saying, because, and listen, the baby's name
is Aquaman. I wasn't even going to say anything
about the name. I'll let you have that one, Trisha.
Honestly, it would have almost been better if
the first name was Aqua, and then you gave him
two middle names, and the first one was Man.
I think Aqua's a really cool first name, if I'm
being honest. That's what I'm saying. I would
have liked that a lot better. Anyway, okay, so
there's that. There is that. I'm complaining
today, ladies and gentlemen, about the Heritage
Foundation. So, and I, I eventually want to do
a research or let's research mama on these fucks.
But I saw on Tik TOK, the heritage foundation
had been sharing out in there. I don't know if
it was their newsletter or whatever. It was just,
it was something that just popped up on my Tik
TOK where they're saying here are five ways to
what prove your, um, your like your estate plan.
Yeah. And I was like, I want to know what these
five woke proof ways are. So you if you Google
it, it takes you to like it's not a paywall,
but it's a thing where you have to subscribe
to it. I had to create a burner email just to
like get my hands on this thing. I've talked
about how people are using the word woke now
already. I'm already like angry. Are you reading
it? yeah i mean i i've already read it before
today but i'm like the way people are using woke
is so backwards to how the term was like initiated
yeah and so i feel like it's it's like just a
buzzword it is that's all it is but the woke
proof ways are basically like and i i i'm not
even gonna open the the or like the little booklet
they send out but basically from what i did read
it was find the most racist lawyer you can find
basically who is down with you being a racist
and wouldn't you know what another one of the
ways is to donate to the heritage foundation
yeah keep the donor in a donor advice fund is
what it says like go fuck yourself and here's
i don't know how those work that's money you're
not getting back you have to donate that money
mama yes you have to donate that money yes so
like and when you die you know what's woke not
getting your inheritance well the donor advised
fund thing like i as part of an estate plan i
get it sure but it's like It should be last on
your list, right? Like if you're me. It should
be the very last thing that your money goes into.
It's like if you have nowhere else to leave your
money. Then of course donate it. But like shouldn't
you make sure your children and people you loved
are taken care of first? Not according to the
Heritage Foundation. No. But this is the fucked
up thing is what do you think people are using?
for because I did digging on this. I went and
I like actually did a little bit of Let's Research
Mama and I found a subreddit and the subreddit
pointed me to middle class finance where people
talked about what they use inheritances for and
let me just tell you when we're talking about
inheritance people are not receiving millions
and millions and millions of dollars in inheritances.
Not the average person, no. It is so rare that
that's happening. Right. We're not the Rothschilds.
No. And so just a couple of examples. One user
said he used $250 from his inheritance to buy
a puppy that turned into 16 years of companionship.
One user said, I received about $20 ,000 from
my grandmother and it was the buffer that I needed
to purchase a house. A lot of people said they
cleared up debt. Several comments mentioned saving
for college and investing for like rainy days
or whatever. And then some said I got nothing.
And it motivated me to be self -made. And the
fucked up thing is like you are so obsessed,
Heritage Foundation, with this idea. That America
needs to be straight white men with wives that
are in the kitchen barefoot with a baby on their
hip. And that is your ideal vision of the United
States and furthermore, probably the world. And
you are willing to say. To these people that
actually subscribe to some some of your beliefs
or all of them, whatever you need to after you
die, after you are dead in the ground, your legacy
needs to be as rotten as it can be. And to say,
go fuck yourself to the kids that did not get
on board with your fucking vision of the world.
And you can go fuck yourself for that. Like that
pisses me off. A hundred percent. So. A big lesson
I learned from our time in finance is that you
should never rely on an inheritance, right? Never.
You should never rely on, oh, well, my grandpa's
going to die one day and I'm going to get a million
bucks. You should never rely on that. However,
that doesn't mean that you should go about your
life waiting to screw over your own family. Right.
That's not what that means. While I say that
out loud, you shouldn't be reliant on an inheritance.
However, no one's taking advantage of an inheritance.
No. That's something you have a right to. It's
not a privilege. It's a right. It was written
down, intended for you. Right. You can't take
advantage of that. So even if you get grandma's
money and you decide to go to Bora Bora and have
yourself a time, that's fine. Right. You're not
taking advantage of your grandma. Well, and this
is the other thing, too. Actually, I don't know
if you are aware of this. If, God forbid, something
happens to me, you, Jackie, and my brother get
everything. It's divided up three ways between
the three of you guys. That's just how it's written
in my will. And if, God forbid, anything happens
to Zachary before I'm gone, my niece and nephew
get Zachary's share of everything. Yeah. let
me just go on record right now and say i don't
give a fuck what you do with the money i like
it's not my money anymore i don't think anyone
should yeah like okay the house that we're recording
in right now is in jack's name right if he turns
21 or whatever the age is where it turns completely
into his and he decides to sell it so that he
can fund some independently made movie or something
that crashes and burns that is none of my business
i'll go watch the movie i like it's so weird
like i don't know when we got to this age of
giving people gifts or inheritance with strings
attached with strings attached you don't get
to say oh i got you this cool toy you can only
play with it like this like that's so weird That's
so weird. Right. And that's literally what the
Heritage Foundation is encouraging people to
do. It's saying, no, we'd rather you give money
to us rather than giving money to your kids because
you don't know what woke things they're going
to use it for. Tell me what woke thing you're
worried about. Are you worried that they're going
to use the money to donate to Zoran Mamdani's
election fund? By the way, with the donor advice
fund, you could if you wanted to. You should.
yeah i love that i don't know they're worried
they're gonna get the kids are gonna get the
money and transition into their real selves or
but like lead happier lives in general the fact
that they are so obsessed with being so afraid
of the world it makes no fucking sense to me
like these people are literally the authors of
project 2025 that want to send america back to
a place where people of color can't drink from
the same water fountains as us and i'm just like
what the fuck like why why why why why why are
you so obsessed with the way people live their
lives because they because those white men don't
feel like they are winning anymore i don't fear
is the answer but i don't understand why they
feel like they need to win or why they can't
find their wins within their own lives they need
it handed to them but that's the thing is like
i don't i don't like and we've talked about this
before i don't like this idea that life is a
zero -sum game yeah i if If I'm successful, you
can't be. And if you're successful, I can't be.
Like that makes no fucking sense to me because
the whole idea of the American dream, like what
it was all founded on is if you show up and you
work hard and you do the right thing, everything's
going to work out. Are you ready for reality
roundup? I am. Let's do it. Okay. So we're talking
about the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives reunion.
So we open with a prayer led by Zach. And then
the girls all start showing up. Whitney's lost
a ton of weight. Yeah, I think she looks amazing.
She looks incredible. She looks so good. She
really does. I don't know how some people snap
back like that. It's amazing. Yeah, she looks
incredible. I guess it has been a significant
amount of time since filming, but she looks amazing.
Yeah. We find out that it was Dakota's first
time wearing a suit, and I was not shocked to
hear that in the least. Of course it is, Dakota.
God, that's just great. And he was wearing a
full -blown three -piece. Yeah, he did not look
comfortable. He looked like if you put a suit
on a pillow. Whitney FaceTimes Demi. We find
out that Demi's not going to the reunion because
she's going to Disneyland. Shocking, shocking,
shocking. I don't buy for a second this whole
story that they try to spin where she says she
already had a family vacation planned out. No,
you didn't. No, you didn't. You knew you were
going to be torn to shreds and you are just holding
on to that spot by the skin of your teeth. Listen.
We'll get into it. We will get into this. So,
the next thing. What I'm about to say, I have
found, is a little bit controversial. Nick Viall
is the one hosting, and I personally loved the
choice because I think Nick does a really good
job on his podcast, and I also think he is cute.
He's hot. Yeah. I do think you could tell it
was his first time hosting something like that,
though. Oh, yeah, 100%. Like, I mean, he's not
Andy Cohen. No, but I think one day he could
be, you know. Sure. Like, if he kept in this
kind of circuit and did more things like this,
I can see him, like, really blowing up. yes because
he's hot and he's funny and he's cute and he
also like was very no bullshit he was like um
the question that was asked was this well that
and i think he does a very good job on his podcast
of doing that of like he does hold people people
to the fire like well when we start recapping
real house as a salt lake city we'll get into
him with monica garcia because that was a wild
ride of an interview but Yeah, I think I like
him. What's the controversy? People don't like
him. For what? Because they say he is a fan.
He favors some of the girls. And now that I've
watched it a couple of times, I don't think he
liked Whitney. No. I think he was a little harder
on Whitney than... than she deserved. Not that
she deserved. I think that he was not objective
about it. I will say that. Can I just say Andy
Cohen does the exact same thing? Oh, Andy Cohen
is horrifically worse about it, I would argue.
He's not objective ever. No, because he likes
Giselle, he likes Bethany Frankel, he likes...
He loves NeNe Leakes and those people do not
get held to the fire when they deserve to be.
No. And here's the thing. I don't think like
I get why some people are saying are like calling
him a fan and saying that that's. saying that
in sort of a derogatory way, I think there's
no one else I'd rather see host a reunion than
someone who's watched the show and likes it and
is passionate about it. You know what I mean?
Did you ever watch the Real Housewives of Potomac
reunion where Nicki Minaj came on for a part
of the reunion? That's what I want. I want, if
Andy Cohen's not going to host it, I want someone
who watches it, who has a good time watching
it, who's going to kiki with them. That's what
I want. And you can't watch a reality show like
these. Mormon wives or housewives or any of them
without having opinions. That's kind of the whole
point. I agree. So anyway, I liked Nick Viall.
I did too. I really liked him. But something
I did pick up on almost immediately, they edited
in a lot of his audio, like where they cut away
from him and then like you can hear that it just
sounds a little bit different. Yeah. And I was
like... Yeah. I don't know how many times Hulu
has done a reunion like that. Do they have another
reality show that would be a reunion like that?
They have Vanderpump Villa, and I think they
had a reunion. Oh, okay. But that's, like, one.
Yeah, I don't know. And they did the Kardashians,
but, like, whatever. That's their family, you
know? They came into that with a script. Right.
Whatever. And then Jen and Zach are backstage
for probably the first half of the reunion. Yeah.
Something that genuinely upset me was the child's
voice that Jen was putting on the entire time
they were talking. Yeah, I felt like she was
really trying to like portray a character. And
I also think she was just like, I don't know.
I think she knew she caught a lot of heat this
season. And so she was just trying to be not
objective, but like just likable. You know what
I mean? I think she was trying to do the cutesy,
like, oh, I'm a fan, too. Oh, I can't believe
she did that. But, like, it was the voice behind
it. Because I was like, that's not your voice.
That's not how you talk. We've heard you talk
for two years. This is not how you talk in that
box. Did you ever watch RuPaul's Drag Race? Yeah.
Do you remember the Bianca Del Rio season with,
like, Adore Delano? Yeah. Where there was a...
in Untucked where Adore Delano is fighting with
Laganja Estranja and she goes, this is not how
you talk. And Adore was bothered about that.
That's how I felt. Yeah, I don't know. I think
she's just like... She seems like she's very
uncomfortable in herself. Yeah. And that's what
is so bothersome. Just own it. We unpack a little
bit of the Marciano meetup and we start literally
where we left off with the conversation between
Marciano and Layla. And the girls kind of recap
what happened in Italy and how Demi was really
flirty with Marciano, which, by the way, I would
have been as flirty as the day is long with that
man. I love a hot alcoholic. Yeah. Jesse pulls
out screenshots from text conversations between
Demi and Marciano where she's comparing oysters
to swallowing cum, and I was like... It was obviously
flirty, but also, Demi, you're a weirdo. It was
weird, and... Oh, God. I don't know. But we cut
to Jen and Zach where he has to explain that
the clam emoji might mean a vagina. And Jen's
reaction made me wish she was still at home in
the bed. Oh, my God. Like the, oh, my God. Like,
stop. Shut the fuck up. Like, I don't know. I
don't know. It's so weird because. aren't you
the one that was being threatened with a cease
and desist about talking about what happened
and now it's like you don't have a story at all
like you're just oh yeah that was jen wasn't
it yeah yeah oh i forgot about that what i don't
it was very like confusing the way she was acting
yes and then this whole conversation turns into
revisiting how demon or demi is a little demon
monster and whitney starts to defend her of course
because i think We'll get into it. I think the
problem is that she told Demi on that FaceTime
call where Demi was, like, going to Disney World
or Disneyland or whatever and was like, no, I'll
stand up for you at the reunion, but, like, some
things I think you'll just have to say. I think
she messed up by telling Demi, I'll stand up
for you at the reunion, and she knows if she
didn't say anything, Demi would have her head.
I think she should have taken the Layla approach
where Layla took with Taylor where she says,
yeah, I'll stand up for you and then just starts
disassociating. I don't think Demi would respond
like Taylor. I think Demi would like air everything
Whitney has ever done out. Demi would make Whitney's
life a living hell. That's what I'm saying. 100%,
yes. I think she kind of trapped herself into
having to defend Demi, which she shouldn't have
done. You shouldn't have even called her. I don't
know why you're friends with her. Anyway. No.
Nick calls out that Jessie isn't wearing her
wedding ring, and she talks about how she and
Jordan are working through a lot of hard things
right now. So here's the thing. I don't like
this very specific plot point right here because
Nick goes, did you and Marciano have sex? Jesse
says that everything gets unpacked in season
three and it's not what everyone thinks. That
is not what a reunion is for. You shouldn't have
said a fucking word about it. Hulu is weird for
that. I think it's on Hulu, honestly, because
never. in a housewives reunion never when i've
seen the kardashians have a reunion never ever
on any other reality show has the answer ever
been i can't talk about that because it's in
the next season it has on one reunion and i will
tell you this is why bravo redid entirely the
way they started filming housewives was in new
jersey i think it was season two or season three
it was season two like going into season three
because they were doing the reunion and they
had already started filming season three during
the season two reunion and and that's a problem
yes you need to fix that and they like like Teresa
and I think Caroline were all talking about like
like oh we can't talk about that because it's
in season three and like the producers were like
never again like and so that is a crock of bullshit
but also I don't like the way they did this where
like did they did they think they weren't gonna
get picked back up and like I I don't like I
didn't like it at all and I can understand the
perspective of like well we don't want to miss
anything Story wise. And so we're just going
to keep filming for season three. But like, that's
just not how it works on TV. Mama, you are going
to miss some stuff that gets aired out at the
reunion. And that's what people tune into fucking
reunions for. That's it's that. And it's also.
what it's weird to me because they've taken producers
from bravo like bravo producers left bravo to
come to hulu to produce secret lives and mormon
lives they know how this works so why do they
do that but like but also ostensibly the entire
third season's already been filmed because they
like it's in the can because they had previews
of it at the end of the episode so i i guess
i don't understand what they're saving i don't
know like i I'm interested to see what happens,
but if it turns out to be one of these things
where it's not that interesting, I will be pissed
off. What I do believe is that Jesse probably
went a little too far when it came to flirting
with Marciano. I don't believe they hooked up.
I think they made out. Maybe. I believe that
rumor that they were going out to bars and that
people saw them making out. I think that happened.
That probably happened. I'll buy that. And I
think that Jordan probably, and rightfully so,
I think Jordan probably had a hard time with
that. I mean, yeah, you're married. Like, yeah.
And I think that's kind of what they're unpacking.
I don't think that any of this is being put on
for show, but I do believe that Demi conspired
with Marciano. Because let me tell you something
about Marciano. That is a little boy who... That
is Jax Taylor made over. That is a little boy
who wants to be on TV. Oh, yeah. And he will
follow directions from anybody. I believe if
you bat your eyelashes at Marciano and say, you
need to go make out with Jesse, he will do that.
We jump into some of the fights that we had over
the season. And then Taylor... dives into mom
talk and how it started and how it's evolved
and this kind of evolves into taylor revisiting
the swinger scandal and going public with all
of it when are we gonna drop that by the way
i'm so tired of hearing about it we're never
gonna get the full truth from any side of the
situation everybody swears they've already given
us the full truth let's move on And I, like,
yeah, like, that was, like, the founding thing
of what got you on TV. Sure, but, like... We're
two seasons in now. Yeah. Drop it. Yeah, I agree.
Ugh. Because, like, it would be like making The
Real Housewives of Salt Lake City all about Jen
Shaw getting arrested. Like, that's... Right,
like, if they never would have let it go. Right.
But to be fair, I do think that they didn't have
a reunion for season one, so I think this is
kind of... the reunion for season one and two
where like it's like how did we get here so like
i just don't need to hear about the swinging
thing anymore yeah we're not gonna you're just
like using the same words over and over in a
different order right um but i guess whitney
was the first one to ask to hear taylor's side
of the story and i think that because of that
taylor will always feel like some level of loyalty
or like have a soft spot for whitney because
of that i just don't think that earns you a lifetime
of loyalty but maybe that's i think that's something
i appreciate about taylor where like yeah she's
good to the people that were good to her she
is good at remembering the good and not just
the bad and people which i respect but like I
don't know. I thought the whole thing was kind
of... It happened years ago now. Like, four years
ago. More than that. It was, like, 2020. Yeah.
Yeah, so let's say five years ago. It's like,
Whitney has been such a monster since then that,
like... I don't know. Maybe I just have, like,
short -term, long -term memory loss and I wouldn't
feel that way. But, like... I don't know. I don't
know. I think they should be over all of it,
but that's just me. They talk a little bit about
the Mormon community not welcoming mom talk.
And this one I thought was wild, but I guess
there was pushback from the community about the
girls wearing tank tops because they couldn't
wear their temple garments under that. And I
was like, that's what you care about? Well, it's
just evidence that they're not wearing their
garments, right? Because if they were, you would
see them under a tank top. So it's like, I don't
know. I think it's very like, well, how Mormon
are you? And I think every religion has that
to some degree. Well, we'll dive into that one
day. But that that was insane to me that like,
that's what you're focusing on. I mean, because
I think their whole thing is like proving that
they're. not that the wives right the people
on the show mom talk that they're not like really
mormon or they're redefining what it is to be
mormon yeah right so like maybe i don't know
but i was just like jesus christ like an organized
religion is but i also think it like part of
that comes back to like my thing with religion
and i'm just like oh my god you're obsessed with
what underwear people are wearing like that's
yeah insane to me well i mean garments go like
over it's like a cap sleeve it's but it's like
a like a thing you wear under your clothes right
the undergarment or whatever yeah i'm just like
shut up i know well i don't know i have a hard
time with it because how is that different from
like a hijab which i would never say like oh
you shouldn't like i don't know okay that's fair
that's fair yeah i don't know i feel like as
a not religious person who didn't grow up in
the church i feel very conflicted about all of
it i don't know that's fair yeah i i guess like
in in my mind those like those two things are
not the same thing but like no comparatively
well they do different things right like the
mormon garments go under your clothes and so
it's almost like what are you trying to prove
and whereas like a hijab they're like Women shouldn't
show their hair. So they're doing two different
things. Okay. Yeah, I guess I just never thought
about it that way. I don't know. I don't know.
I think the whole thing is very weird. I think
it's weird that anyone has to prove their religion
to other people in the religion at all. I think
it's strange. Don't get me started on that because
I will never shut up about it. The girls laugh
about how cringy it was at the very beginning.
They talk about how they can't even go back and
watch some of the videos. I feel like all of
TikTok was so cringy at that time. Oh, yeah.
I think part of it still is. Oh, for sure. I
mean, there are still people dancing in the rain
and doing all kinds of weird shit. To be cringe
is to be free. Yeah, I'm like, if you want to
go out and dance, go out and fucking dance, man.
I don't care. Like, we're two idiots on the microphone
being idiots. Yeah, what? Like, we're, do you
want to, I have not, we recorded an episode in
the very, very, very beginning of this that never
saw the light of day. And I can't go back and
listen to that because I'm just like. It is different
when it's yourself. Yeah. For sure. I'm like,
be cringy. I think everyone should be cringe.
I think the realist version of everyone is a
little bit cringy. Oh, yeah. But I will say,
they're braver than we were because they put
it out on the internet. 100%. episode 0001 is
never seeing the light of day right right well
i remember the old videos of taylor saying she
was 50 years old i'm sure she's embarrassed about
that now i think i still i totally forgot about
that i don't know if she like Taylor doesn't
have that much shame, which I love about her,
by the way. Oh, I love. I love it. She's very
shameless. She is. I don't know that she would
be embarrassed about that. But I remember the
North remembers. Layla talks about how this whole
thing became real for her when she got her first
big check from a brand deal. And I guess I never
considered this about Layla or any of the girls
on the show. Because when you think about people
coming on to these shows, you... think of them
coming from a place of wealth already but she
talks about how she was a struggling mom and
she literally had to pick between her kids eating
or her eating and she yeah i mean she always
picked her kids to eat obviously yeah but it
reminds me a lot of um and this she's a problematic
individual now but jk rowling when she did her
first interview on oprah and she talked about
how because oprah said how did you know when
you were wealthy and she said i think she said
something like i was at the store and i was picking
between chocolate milk and white milk for my
kids and i realized i didn't have to choose and
like yeah say what you will about the individual
and it there's room for criticism for jk rowling
for everything that she's done but i think that
is a very cool thing to get to that point and
be able to provide for your kids i think that's
incredible so like i would i thought that was
really fucking cool for leila where she talked
about like struggling in a world that's so hard
to struggle in and she made it i think that's
really fucking cool we'll have to talk about
that one day about how it's a humiliation ritual
to struggle in today's world instead of people
wanting to pick you up they want to laugh at
you um and then we find out leila finally We
find out Layla finally had an orgasm with her
vibrator. And I think it's so weird to say this
out loud, but I'm so happy for her. I'm so happy
that she finally, finally, finally made it happen.
And I love that for her. Well, like, aside from
the orgasm itself, I think it... I think she's
like coming into her own a little bit. She seems
a little more. Growing into herself you mean.
Confident and comfortable. Yeah. So proud of
her for that. She's like. Yeah. I don't know.
I think it's like it shows that she's like letting
herself live a little more. Yeah. Yeah. I think
yeah that's a really good way to put it. And
on the note of the vibrator thing, Nick says
that all men need to learn that every Batman
needs a Robin. And I feel like... He's sexy for
that. Yeah. And I was like, that's... Like, it
takes a guy that's, like, secure as fuck to say
that. Like, that's really cool. A hundred percent.
Do you know how many... He's straight, right?
Yeah. Yeah. Which I hate. Do you know how many
straight guys are like, I don't want to see that
anywhere. You don't need that if you got me.
Shut up. Type of thing. Shut up. Like, come on.
Shut up. so yeah he's hot for that um and then
dear listener full disclosure this is where the
notes start to get a little i think i was like
i was falling asleep or something when i was
watching this so like the notes just kind of
cut off but we get into um whitney's journey
back into mom talk so nick asked michaela why
she hates whitney so much and michaela says that
she doesn't hate whitney and i like i remember
thinking that was literally your only storyline
this season. Like, I don't remember her talking
about anything other than her, like, getting
pregnant. But I don't remember her talking about
anything else but hating Whitney and how she
doesn't think she deserves to be back in the
group. And this, like, it was wild to me. Yeah,
I don't know why she said that. I mean, maybe
because, like, hate is a very strong word. I
don't know. But one thing I will give Michaela,
she does say that Whitney has a hard time seeing
when she's the problem. And I do think that that
is true. Yeah. I think if she had led with that
from the beginning, I think we'd be in a very
different place. But what I will say about Michaela,
like, given the entire season and given, like...
Everything about her. I don't think I dislike
Michaela as much as I thought I did. I had a
hard time with her this season, but I came a
long way with her. I like her now. I like her.
I just... As much as she can point out that Whitney
doesn't realize when she's the problem, Michaela
doesn't realize when she's the drama either.
But that's fine. But they talk about when they
were all in Scottsdale and Whitney was like...
in that confessional going oh let's shift focus
for me and turn the turn to the drama where it's
between demi and jen and like whatever and i
i guess like i don't know how we made the jump
well i i can see from whitney's perspective what
he calls mikaela a bully and I'm sorry but it's
so the pot calling the kettle black yeah I'm
just like babe we've all done a little bit of
bullying in our lives like maybe and you just
did it last season on this fucking show like
come on so whatever whatever and then so like
that's this that is fully like where my notes
leave off I will say a couple of other things
that I do vividly recall from the reunion um
when connor came on oh there's so much before
that oh well then okay you get into your part
because i want to talk about the connor thing
because i thought like yeah it was very heartwarming
go on to your thing um so after that is when
we get our half -assed clip from demi oh where
she's yeah okay yeah she did the interview with
nick lyle right she does her little interview
and she's talking about She's not there because
she already planned a Disneyland trip, which
again, I think is bullshit. She says she knows
that everyone's going to think she's running
away from something, but I swear I'm not. Can
I tell you something that I do know about these
productions? Mm -hmm. These are all filmed on
a soundstage. Yeah. They're booked months in
advance. You have call sheets. You have production
schedules. You have entire groups of people where
their only job is the logistics of making this
reunion happen. 100%. And you're going to tell
me. They somehow didn't find out about it. I
had no idea when this was happening. And we just
happened to have a Disneyland trip planned on
the same day. You are a liar. Yeah, so then she
goes on to double down on calling Jen's crying
apology video to the group calculated and disingenuous
and it was suspect timing and all of that. She
also says in that interview that Jen got pregnant
and that seemed to be a turning point for her
and almost a reason to remove herself from mom
talk. No. Girl, you called her out for being
a liar. Did you forget that? Far be it from me
to ever be on Jen's side about anything this
season. Because if Jen has zero haters on this
earth based on this season, I am dead. Right.
That being said, we saw... And I can objectively
say we saw a woman who was broken. She was, granted,
was part of that probably her own fault. Yeah.
Leading up to before she found out she was pregnant,
she had been sneaky and lying. Yes. And all of
that. But she was in a dark place and she found
it within herself to apologize to you. And the
way Demi cannot accept an apology from anyone
for anything really rubs me the wrong way. And
that's exactly where I was going with it was
you genuinely just cannot accept. someone and
meet them where they're at. Because I think what
I will give Jen is that when she did the apology
and she said, I think that I've been doing a
lot of work on myself and I've realized that
I am not in a good space right now and I think
that's why I've hurt other people, she started
to get a pass from me. Yeah. Anyway. From then
on, it's... I mean, it's not really that interesting.
It's... Zach defending himself and saying...
But I felt like he really kept his composure
for it. Zach is Jen's husband, for those of you
who are not following along. The weird little
blonde one. He really kept his composure and
he was like, obviously Demi and Brett have different
boundaries in their marriage than Jen and I do.
That was basically his whole point. Sure. Which...
whatever whatever moving on um skipping over
the sneak peek into season three because i just
whatever then the husbands are out yes right
yes and that's when we get to the connor thing
so connor opens up about how he was assaulted
when he was a kid and a couple things about this
i think that When you are a man in a religion
like Mormonism, like Christianity, like certain
subsects. What was it? Sects. Sects? S -E -C
-T -S. That's not the word I'm looking for. Subcultures,
I don't know. Different versions of Christianity.
When you're admitting something like that, that
has to be the most terrifying thing you can say
out loud because you are told in no uncertain
terms, you don't talk about these things. You
cannot be honest about some of these things in
a lot of cases. And I don't know that this happened
within the church, but I do know that when it
does happen within the church, they will do everything
in their power and that some churches in a lot
of. A lot of scenarios will do everything in
their power to protect the abuser because you
don't want to ruin his life or like whatever
the crock of bullshit might happen. I think that
when Connor admitted this, I was so incredibly
proud of him for admitting it. I was so impressed
because I really. I'll be honest, leading into
this, my impression of Connor was that he's a
little weaselly. We had the dating app stuff.
We had him just being kind of, like, strange,
almost. Like, I didn't really get him, but I
have such a newfound respect for him because
he's... That gave so many little boys a voice.
You know what I mean? I agree. And... I think
that guys, this happens to guys, like it happens
to women disproportionately, but it also happens
to guys. And I think you have to be honest. You
have to name it and you have to call it out.
Or it'll continue. It will continue. If you never
point out the monster, the monster will continue
to. Right. But no, I think Connor did an incredible
thing. And like what I was really, really, really.
happy about is that the girls that had a problem
with whitney throughout the season they're able
to put their bullshit aside and go up to connor
and be like i am so proud of you you're gonna
help a lot of people like they really built him
up yeah and he was really brave yes they did
get into his porn addiction a little bit i now
i feel okay after seeing the reunion i feel like
all of that just kind of has to be put aside
for him not because he deserves to be forgiven
for everything wrong that he's ever done but
because he has to have such a skewed fucked up
mindset about sex not has to but like it it doesn't
seem like a far jump when you were assaulted
as a kid to have weird kind of mindset and by
weird i just mean not healthy sure mindset surrounding
sex i feel like it's not appropriate any longer
for us to be talking about his porn addiction
i don't know because i feel like i don't know
Well, I come at it from, like, Whitney and Connor
have decided that in their marriage, they had
a rough time. They went through some rocky waters.
They have shared their story. They've shared
how they got here. Yeah. And now they're choosing
to move forward with it. And that is nobody else's
business but their own. Right. And I want them
to. I want them to be okay. 100%. It seemed really
hard for Whitney. When she was hearing his recounting
of what had happened to him, she was very emotional.
You can tell it was really hard. And that's kind
of where I'm coming from, where I think not only
was this so upsetting to hear and powerful and
brave, but it also... kind of gave context to
Whitney being so forgiving about what had happened
because he says this came up in therapy when
they were talking about their problems with their
marriage. And so that's kind of where my perspective
of like, okay, I'm not making fun of his porn
addiction anymore because they just gave context
to it that makes it so much darker and harder
to grapple with. But, like, can we say for a
second good on him for the way he's handled himself
up to this point? He seems like an excellent
father. He's been a good husband to Whitney,
obviously. He's, like, been there for her. Yeah.
And he did all of that before even facing this
huge demon. I agree. I don't have a problem in
the world with Connor right now. No. I think
Connor's great. No. And all the problems I had
with Connor before, if we're being honest, were
just me judging that little man. Yeah. What else?
Was there anything else that was notable in the
reunion? Nothing of note. The only thing that
I thought was funny and silly was in the preview
to season three, they show Marciano getting a
lie detector test. Oh, Jesus Christ. Do you remember
that? I do remember seeing that, and a couple
of things. I don't need that. I don't want the
whole trope of like, oh, we're bringing in an
expert. I feel the same way about this as I felt
about Megan King Edmonds bringing on a psychic
in... the early seasons i say the early but it's
like somewhere in the middle of uh the real housewives
of orange county to figure out that brooks was
faking cancer i feel the same way about the real
housewives of new jersey bringing on that weird
man in the first couple of seasons where he was
like allegedly part of the mafia and he was part
of the i i'm probably gonna get it wrong with
the gambino crime family like it's i i don't
need it because we don't do that in real life
no right like if someone your friend or whoever
lies to you in real life and you're trying to
get to the bottom of it because you have two
different stories you're not calling in a lie
detector that's not how life works but i also
i like And also, they don't work. They don't
work. They're not admissible in court. You're
not supposed to have them on camera. Like, you're
not supposed to have anyone else in the room.
They also teach classes about how to lie. Take
them, yeah. Like, God. Not to mention, Marciano's
probably 10 drinks in. It's not built for him.
Marciano, let me just tell you something that
I know about Marciano is that... There's not
a lie detector test in this world Marciano couldn't
pass. I don't know anything about Marciano, but
I do know that about him. Oh, yeah. You can just...
Because he just doesn't care. No. He'll say anything.
Yeah. I don't understand. Jesus Christ. He is
like Jax Taylor. I feel the same way about Jax
Taylor. Never give him a lie detector test. He's
going to pass every time. Yes. He's going to
only add to the credibility of those classes.
Yes. He's going to teach one of those classes.
Right. He only gets worked up when it's like
in his favor to be worked up. It's not. He does
not care. That's where we're at. Do we have anything
else, ladies and gentlemen? I don't know who
I'm talking to. This lady doesn't have anything.
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