Travis. I'm Emma. This is the second episode
we've recorded today. Yay! Bestie approved! So...
We don't have nearly as much in this episode
as we did the last episode, so... We should be
able to get through it. We'll power through.
We'll do it. We'll make it happen. Obviously,
Emma doesn't have a pregnancy update from right
now, but... Emma's traveling to Louisiana next
week, and I am going to edit in her pregnancy
update next week. So... Here that is. Hey, guys.
I didn't make it to Louisiana because they still
can't fix my car. Don't worry. I'll be complaining
about it for weeks and weeks to come. But baby
is the size of a mango. hey and uh doing great
kind of low energy and like i'm really stuffed
up which is a pregnant thing um but other than
that doing wonderfully there's a spot on my couch
i sit in so frequently it's starting to creak
but we're just ignoring that um yeah but in other
baby news my cousin is having her baby It's kind
of good I didn't make it to Louisiana. Anyway,
see you next week. Well, what a great pregnancy
update that was. I'm so happy that we did that.
Things are going great. Your baby is the size
of an object. A mango. A mango, yes. We do know
that it will be the size of a mango. Yeah, I
cheat in my app and look all the time. Speaking
of that app, you know I downloaded that app just
to see where your pregnancy was at as you go.
My God, the amount of emails they're willing
to send you. I should have made a burner email
just for that app, because like they've also
signed me up for like this cord registry thing.
Oh, you should not need that. Do you know what
that is? No. Oh, that is your umbilical cord.
Jack is obsessed with umbilical cords. But beside
that point, they will take blood from your umbilical
cord because it is chock full of stem cells.
And they'll store it for you because if you or
anyone in your family gets these certain types
of illnesses, the cord blood is really supposed
to help. Oh. Weird, kind of. I don't think it's
weird. But yeah, it's just kind of a silly thing.
I don't know. I guess I didn't know what it was,
but I don't hate the idea of it. I mean, except
it's like. thousands of dollars but anyway yeah
I don't know it kind of gives the same vibe as
people who like save their placenta I do believe
that there are health benefits from it don't
get me wrong it just maybe I'm immature it just
gives me the heebie -jeebies I so for some reason
the cord blood feels different to me than um
the placenta situation I don't know why it shouldn't
because it's fundamentally the same Yeah, I don't
know. But I don't know. I don't know. I support
people who do it. I'm sure it's really helpful,
especially with some like illnesses and stuff
like that. I'm also like not very educated in
it, obviously. I'm not at all educated in it,
I would argue. So there we are. So. Let's get
into it. I have two Elon Musk. One tangentially
related to Elon Musk and one directly related
to Elon Musk. Which one do you want to start
with? I really love talking about Republicans
who argue with robots. Gorgeous. Let's go into
that one first. So MAGA is out here literally
arguing with Grok, which is the... AI on Twitter.
Right. X if you're a bootlicker. Either way,
if you like it, I love it. But there is an entire
TikTok dedicated to Grok versus MAGA. So I guess
I don't know what these people think they're
doing. They think they're fighting with a news
source. And maybe this speaks to like what people
don't. People like relying too much on AA to
the point where they're like, no, no, no, I can
argue with it and it can have an argument where
I don't. You've lost me. Yes. You've so lost
me. I also like before we get into this story
in particular, every viral tweet I see, all of
the replies are Grok, is this real? At Grok,
what about this? At Grok, Grok, Grok, Grok. Use
your brain. It reminds me a lot of. the people
who are like chat GPT what do you think about
this like the ones that like call it chat and
like I guess for me I'm just like what who is
this for but I think it's for me because it goes
into Grok just saying factual information and
the far right is Simply not being able to handle
it or accept it. I've been waiting for this day.
I'll tell you after we get into it. Well, so
I guess like it. How do you say it? Mamdani.
Zoran Mamdani. Hang on. I don't want to butcher
it. I'm sorry. Zoran Mamdani, the mayoral candidate
for New York. He's the mayor now. No, he won
the primary. Oh. well that's how that matters
what do you think about that no he won the um
the primary which by the way if you want to see
people losing their ever -loving minds turn on
fox news right now i have i 9 11 levels of racism
by the way wow it's well it's not it's not is
that but it's not just that where it's also he's
he's a what's the what's the level beyond socialist
where um a communist yes they're like where he's
a communist and i'm like but if 51 of the city
of new york votes for him what's the problem
if he wins the election what's the problem because
it's the same argument for donald trump where
like people think he's a fascist i think that
word is a little overused sometimes i think a
lot of people who use that word don't know what
it means i agree but i'm like if 50 what was
it 50 Three percent of the United States population
voted for Donald Trump. What's the problem if
51 percent of New York City votes for Zoran Magani?
Isn't that the point of a democracy? Isn't that
the point of an open election? I don't like.
Don't we want free and fair elections? You can't
be mad about an election. You're mad that this
one wasn't rigged. Is that what you're mad about?
Right. But he hasn't even won the election. He's
only won the primary. But it has told us that.
People are ready for a change because New York
and let me just tell you about New York, because
I have a little bit of firsthand experience with
this. You have two real groups of people there.
It's not about Republicans and Democrats. It
is about public servants who actually want to
show up and do the work that. Do the work of
government, people like who I believe Alexandria
Ocasio -Cortez is, people like who I believe
Jasmine Crockett is. And these people want to
do the work. Then you have some of the most corrupt
people on God's great earth who use the the budget
as a slush fund, who use. They want to insider
trade. They're looking for a check anywhere they
can find a check. That's where they are. Right.
And. That is the two groups of people you have
in New York. When it comes to Zohran Mamdani,
I believe he is representative of what people
are desperate for when it comes to electing someone
to represent your best interests or lead a city.
And people are furious about it. And you've got
people, by the way, you've got people. All over
the country who are mad about it, where this
this really shouldn't be making news outside
of New York, like New York proper, because it
doesn't affect anyone outside of New York. No
impact on anyone else. It's like the mayor of
Indianapolis making headlines in Oklahoma. Like,
it's weird. It doesn't matter. Yeah. But just
know Zoran Mamdani, A, kind of cute. B, I support
what he is trying to do in New York. That's all
there is to it. But you have people that are
saying that are questioning his citizenship because
he's brown. You're having people do the whole.
I'm so tired of that. Can we stop doing that?
Anytime anyone who isn't white steps up, we're
questioning their citizenship. Also, even people
that are white. Elon Musk. He's white, right?
Yeah, he's white. He's South African, which is
the whole thing. I won't get into the apartheid.
But yeah, what are we doing? Stop with the citizenship
thing. America was supposed to be a melting pot
of people from all over the world who needed
refuge and wanted to work. That's it. Sure. And
I would argue that Zoran Mamdadi wants to work.
It embodies that. Yeah. We'll talk about immigration
another day. Anyway, go on. I'll go off the deep
end. But you've got that happening with Grok.
I'm sorry, you've got you've got all of X blowing
up about how Zoran Mamdani is not an American
citizen, how he we should call into question
his his citizenship. And then Grok says, no,
you're so silly. This is this is actually what
took place. And people are fighting with Grok.
Right. And then they're saying, Grok, you are.
you're you're part of the liberal mob now or
whatever whatever the fuck they're calling it
and grok's like thanks for your input like yeah
i part of me wonders because like this is the
thing about elon musk we're like and i feel the
same way about donald trump if these people never
would have gotten involved in politics i would
love them because you they're They're funny.
Like they're they're kind of funny. Like and
I feel like Elon Musk probably program or Elon
Musk had his people. I don't know that Elon Musk
did it entirely. I don't care. But he the directive
was to program Grok in such a way that it could
be a little bit snarky. It could come back with
some of this stuff. And I feel like that is a
little wing from Elon Musk being like, thanks
for your input. I think it's funny. I just I
mean. I know that it's objective because if I
had to guess which way Elon Musk feels about
this situation, he would want to leave it blurry
on Zoran's citizenship because he's a Republican
weirdo. Neither here nor there, but yeah. Donald
Trump is one of the funniest people in America.
Yes. I have nothing but hate towards him. Yes.
He's funny. He's so funny. He should have always
been on TV and kept himself out of the goddamn
White House. But I've said this a million times
about Donald Trump. If he would like if I ran
in 2014, 15, when I lived in New York, if I would
have ran into him at a party, I can definitively
tell you he would have been surrounded by 10
gays just holding court because he is. hysterical
like he is he's a little bit hateful he's like
i mean he's he's super hateful he's a drag queen
he's a drag queen he does not hold back he knows
how to get a reaction out of people he's funny
right that being said i don't feel that way about
elon musk i'll say that but i feel like he knows
how to make a robot be funny i think if you if
we got into a room with elon musk and he was
like he's a little bit snarky No. No? Okay. I
think he's strange. I don't think... Like, there's
a difference for me between being witty and,
like, quick with being strange. That's, like,
a stark difference to me. That's fair. I think
he just, like... Is not of this world. I have
said this about Elon Musk. I probably already
said this on the podcast. We were never supposed
to know who Elon Musk was. You have said that
before. And I don't disagree. I feel like I feel
the same way about him as I do about the Rothschilds
where I feel like they we probably shouldn't
know what they look like. You're meant to be
an enigma. You're meant to use your brain and
do your thing and make your money. And I am not
meant to know who you are. Right. I agree. And
it's because of this. It's because. It's polarizing.
It is. It is. But yeah, anyway. Anyway. I can't
believe people are arguing with AI. I knew this
day would come for Republicans, though, because
if you ask ChantGPT, do vaccines cause autism?
It will say no. There is no hard evidence for
it. And the guy who came up with that idea was
barred from practicing medicine and had to issue
an apology. So I knew. I knew once anti -vaxxers
and Republicans started asking these kinds of
questions, they weren't going to like the answers.
Well, and that's that's the thing is where I.
This is where I struggle, because, you know,
so much of my family is Republican and I, I,
I have to toe the line with a lot of people in
my family between. Trying to get them on the
same page of what is factual information versus
what they just don't want to hear and what they're
not willing to accept. Yeah. And it's it's at
a certain point, it's like, OK, this is objectively
factual information. Like whether it comes to
34 counts of felonies, whether it comes to vaccines
not causing autism, whether it comes to COVID
was not. a deep state conspiracy, whether it
comes to 5G was not a thing that's put out into
the world for any nefarious reason. I don't I
don't care any number of these things. We didn't
have that argument about 4G, by the way. Anyway,
we did. We didn't have that argument about anything.
And I don't know where the argument comes from.
And that's what stresses me out is like, OK,
we're coming to an age of information where you
have the entire world, like more than we have
ever had in our lives. We have the entire world
available on. our phones ever in history and
i do think this is one of the repercussions of
that of humans having such access to information
you don't have to be able to siphon through and
read an encyclopedia anymore you can just ask
a robot right but on the other side of that so
like i i think part of the problem is like up
until now or up until really three years ago
you were able to kind of find weird things on
the internet and like you go down a rabbit rabbit
rabbit hole or like whatever the case may be
i love watching conspiracy theory youtube videos
right i love that stuff but now you have someone
who sound or something that sounds like a person
that is saying no that's not true and it's not
objectively agreeing empirically with everything
that you're saying and you can't handle that
so you fight with a fucking robot Yeah, like
we have lost the entire plot. I think people
have no media literacy. We've talked about this
already, but people have no media literacy. They
have no skepticism over anything. And so now
if you can just put doctor at the front of your
name on Twitter and spout whatever nonsense you
want and people will just believe you. People
will just believe whatever schizophrenic conspiracy
you've come up with. They will just trust that
that is real. But if you're a large language
model that has access to the entire world of
actually true information, it can say that. But
you're not willing to believe that and you're
willing to say, well, you were created by liberals,
so you're not factually correct. Well, that's
the problem, right? They believe all of these
people who claim to be doctors and claim to be
PhDs and claim to know this and that to the point
where they are not willing to listen to an objective.
Who has no reason to lie to you. No reason to
hurt your feelings, by the way. They are programmed
to keep you talking to them and keep you asking
questions to them because they want to learn.
But at the same time. I think that the step further
that stresses me out here is. If you don't like
it, it's it's liberal. If you don't like it,
it's. A conspiracy theory. If you don't like
it, it's the deep state. If you don't like it,
it's woke. Woke is the one that really, like,
I fucking hate that word. I'm sorry. It's silly.
It's silly for me. Sorry, I'll let you finish.
No, no, no, you're fine. Jack shook his head
when I said fuck, so. It's silly to me because
what you're saying, it's woke, it's woke, it's.
Okay, aren't you trying to be woke? You're saying
you're deviating from the widely accepted truth
of things. You're the one deviating from what
we acknowledge in science, etc. Mostly science
is where I have the issue. You are the one who
is being woke, no? That's what I don't understand.
If anything, these conspirators are the ones
trying to be woke with the classic definition
of that word. I guess maybe I don't understand
what woke is because I thought woke was just
like what people screamed when something was
not straight and white. Like that's that's just
what I thought it was. So my impression was woke
is people who are not just believing what is
put in front of them, but rather believing. the
real truth of things like you're challenging
the status quo you've awoken you are oh okay
so what's wrong with that right but also isn't
that what you're doing like if your conspiracies
are really what you believe aren't you the one
being woke in that sense of the word like i don't
understand but and this is this is what it all
comes back to is It's not a rational conversation.
You and I are rational. I like to believe we're
rational people. Yeah. You and I can have a conversation
and like walk away from it and be like, OK, well,
I was crazy. Or we can say, OK, I can agree with
someone. And we can we can objectively look at
something and make an assessment about the merits
of an argument. Right. Right. And I genuinely
try to see other people's sides of things every
time. I don't believe that grace is reciprocated,
though. No, it's not. And then this is where
I come back to, though, that stresses me out
is. And I think this is like I guess it doesn't
stress me out. This is where I come back to where
I feel like I'm beating my head into a wall.
You are. I say you really I am trying to make
sense of a completely irrational situation. I
am trying to look at it as a rational person
where I'm like, you're fighting with a robot.
You are fighting with a robot. Yeah, I... Come
on, you've lost the plot, babe. Right, like,
turn it off. You know what it reminds me of?
That tweet Tyler, the creator, put out years
and years, 10 years ago plus now, that's like,
how is cyberbullying a real thing? Just log off,
bro. Close your eyes. Go fucking touch grass.
Yeah, a lot of them need to touch grass. A lot.
Fox News watchers and... subscribers, just go
touch some grass. If you don't feel any differently,
I'm sorry. Go touch some grass. Speaking of touching,
this isn't, this is not speaking of touching
grass. Did you hear what Jack just said? No,
I was, I said what I said about touching grass
and he goes, did somebody just say a bad word?
And I said, Jack, you are, you're right. I should
be better about that. You are a hundred percent
right. Thank you for letting me know. OK. All
right. Moving on to Elon Musk again being silly.
Boy, oh boy. Elon Musk. He's so silly. So here's.
Here's the thing. If this shakes out to be what
I think he envisions it being, I will applaud
him. I'll go on record now and say that if he
truly wants to cut corruption from the government,
if he truly wants to put America first in government,
if he truly wants to fight for people. I will
applaud him. I'll say that right now on best
to approve. I don't think so. Do do I do I really
believe that? But the new political party called
the America Party is going to shake out to be
anything other than a publicity stunt. I don't
think so. I hope I'm wrong. I don't think so.
Here's what I'm hoping it does. Here's my best
case scenario. In 2028, it'll split the vote
so Republicans don't get the numbers that they
did in 2024. And what an election the Lord will
have made. Thank God. And part of me also wonders,
is this Elon just coming back and being like,
I just want to make him mad. I genuinely think
a lot of it is emotional. I think a lot of this
is emotional. Because he spent $300 million on
Donald Trump last year. Right. And now he's like
having a falling out. And he's like, well, I'll
make my own political party. And I guess I've
never really thought about what. a political
party actually is like in my mind I was like
oh it's really just a set of ideologies which
is why when he said I'm making the America party
I was like isn't that just kind of what everyone
like when he was saying it I was like cool okay
whatever and now I'm like oh no it's it's all
like it's a money grab it's a it's it's a business
it's all like it and it's frustrating because
I don't feel like it should be that way but here
we are no in fact our founding fathers warned
us against it being this way but here we are
doing it to the fullest but so yeah um but I
will let me I'll tell you this right now if Elon
Musk succeeds in getting the America party on
Any election ticket. And that party actually
believes in what he says they believe in, which
I do. What he has said is not a liberal or conservative
idea. It's just like we take care of this country.
It does kind of remind me of the Donald Trump
drain the swamp thing. Oh, which ended up being
a whole Republican thing. In fact, infecting
the swamp, I would argue. It's the swamp that
RFK swam in. Yeah, exactly. So I don't know.
I do hope it's on tickets. If anything, it'll
split the vote. Donald Trump did say I'm saddened
to watch Elon Musk go completely off the rails
and essentially becoming a train wreck over the
last five weeks. This is this is the thing about
Donald Trump is that he is an ex -boyfriend that
says, oh, I'm so glad to be done with her. She's
crazy. That's who that's who Donald Trump is.
Oh, yeah. He's in. I'm sorry you feel that way,
babe. Oh, yeah. Mm hmm. But. There's that. Let
us know if you're going to join the America Party.
Yeah, I honestly want to know your opinion. I'm
not going to, like, come at you. I just want
to know, like, where you're coming from. Do you
know who I think is perfect for this, though,
is my dad. Yeah. People who are genuinely skeptical
of Donald Trump, but, like. But love America.
Let me just tell you, listener. Like, one day
we'll, I don't know if we'll ever get my dad
on the pod, but we will. I'll tell I'll tell
you guys about my dad. He is someone that loves,
loves, loves, loves America. And he loves. He
loves his fellow man like he is, I think what
when people envision the American dream, he's
the kind of person that really lives out that
idea, I think. And Elon Musk's party is perfect
for someone like my dad. Yeah. So I do hope that
like he is serious about what he's trying to
do. Yeah. I do think like all those videos of
people who are like, I voted for Donald Trump
and I regret it. I think it's good for them.
Yeah. But I think it's good for them. I hope
they have a party that they can align with. You
know, I agree. Moving on. Moving on. Have you
seen this TikTok going around of this guy who.
Was talking about how as we are getting into
our 20s or 30s and like maybe we don't want to
go out for drinks anymore. Maybe we need to normalize
going out for fries and a Diet Coke. I love that.
Yes, I have seen it. I love that so much. Like
it's the most wholesome. I love it. I love it.
It really, really makes me happy. Yeah, there's
nothing in this life that I love more than a
dirty Diet Coke with a Caesar salad and some
fries. What? So that's your version of fries
and Diet Coke? Yeah. I think mine is nachos and
a Diet Dr. Pepper. Because, you know, I love
nothing more than a good plate of nachos. I love
nachos, too. Wow, that sounds really good. Okay.
Okay. Love that. I think you should take all
of your friends out for Diet Coke and fries.
And also I like that because there's like no
pressure. It's like you don't have to spend a
whole night drinking Diet Coke and eating French
fries. Just go gossip for a minute. Yeah. An
hour. Two hours. On to complaining. Are we complaining?
I'm going to let you go first because you had
one. It's just so fucking hot outside. I'm so
tired of it being hot. I haven't gotten any cardio
in all summer because as soon as Jack's school
was up, it was 90 degrees. And so we can't go
for walks. I can't go to the gym because I'm
not going to neglect my child. They don't have
a daycare there. It's just too hot. We went for
a walk in between episodes and both Jack and
Travis were eating and it felt like I was on
the surface of hell. And that just our mental
health walk, if anything, diminished my mental
health. Turned out to be a mental illness walk
for Emma. Yeah. Let me let me tell you how that
in my view, how this walk went. We walked out
onto the sidewalk in front of Emma's house. We
had been walking for 13 seconds. Oh, we were
still in front of my house. We had not passed
my house. To be fair, it was hotter than the
surface of the sun. I was eating a one of those
like little dove chocolate things. And Jack was
eating a chicken nugget. And Emma goes, it's
hot and everyone's chewing. I'm too pregnant
to be dealing with any type of bullshit. And
it might have been the most. For context, listener,
Jack was so good for the first episode we recorded.
So I said, let's go and get some of our energy
out. I pulled a muscle in my lower back. So I
was like, let me just make sure that's not locking
up. Let's let Jack get some of his energy out.
And Emma said, it's hot and everyone's chewing.
I just sometimes you got to let it out or it'll
fester. You were a trooper through it. You went
for a little walk. We did. OK, and I'm happy
to go for a walk. I just had a moment. It was
a good walk. It was a good hot girl walk. I'm
hot all the time, too, which I know we'll have
a pregnancy update in this video, but I am so
hot all the time. And I talked to my OB about
it and she was like, you're literally an oven.
You are baking this kid. So like, yeah, you're
going to feel hot. And I was like, well, good
thing it's 90 degrees outside. Guess I'll just
die. And the AC is out of my car, by the way.
I haven't had my car in like a week and a half
because it's forever until a Honda dealership
can get me in. That's hard. So that's my complaint.
I'm fucking hot. yeah I'm gonna complain about
LinkedIn oh good complaint so I had to create
so I was on LinkedIn forever and ever and ever
and then I got off because I was like I I hate
everything about the culture of LinkedIn and
then for my master's program and one of my classes
I was forced to get back onto LinkedIn because
like we had to do some kind of case study or
some shit I don't know why people have such a
boner for LinkedIn They, like, want to force
you to be on it. I don't. That's not the first
time I've heard, like, oh, I have to be on LinkedIn
for this or that. Ugh. Well, I mean, at our old
job. the one the first circle of hell I was forced
to be on it there too by the social media team
yeah I'm sure you were I don't understand it's
social media like but and they like gave me things
to post for because I was part of that stupid
pilot program like it was the worst experience
of my life I had to go to classes like and there
was compliance involved but then they were like
you have no idea how impactful this is going
to be gun to my head I don't I cannot tell you
anything that came out of it. I gave the company
complete control of my LinkedIn and I said, you
do whatever you want with it. I want nothing
to do with it. I hated it. I hate LinkedIn in
general, but. But now people are posting video
content on this godforsaken platform and they're
making it out to be that they're LinkedIn influencers.
And I'm just like, what? What? Why? What? Like,
it's all about the hustle and the grind and the
like, oh, like you to put in this many hours.
Shut up. Shut up. I've hated that on LinkedIn
forever and ever and ever for years. The grind
set of it all. I hate it. I can't believe people
are trying to be LinkedIn influencers. That's
crazy. But then I'll take it one step further.
And then they try to get you to join LinkedIn
premium. I'd rather get my toenails pulled out.
It is. It is. One of these one of these byproducts
of late stage capitalism where they want you
to pay for. The privilege of looking for a goddamn
job like you were trying to extract money for
people that are ostensibly looking for. jobs
to get a better life and like if it's if it's
the other side of it if you're on linkedin premium
for for if you're hiring someone and you want
to be highlighted in like the job profiles engagement
you need the engagement to like whatever i want
that for you if i get one more email from linkedin
saying you should sign up for linkedin premium
you get a free 90 day trial or whatever. No,
I'm not. I'm not interested in that. And you,
Mr. And Mrs. LinkedIn can shove that right up
your ass. Yeah, I think LinkedIn has been trying
to be Facebook for some time now. And I just
don't understand it. I don't understand it. I
don't think people should get paid for engagement
on LinkedIn. I don't think people should be running
ads for other companies on LinkedIn. I don't
understand it at all. It's insane. I think the
only reason you should ever need to. post a video
on linkedin is if you are selling something for
your job i think putting a video on linkedin
is the most insane thing like i want you to think
back to what linkedin started as it was a A social
media thing for people looking for a job. And
then I think it was Microsoft that bought them
out. And they were like, how can we make this
into a growth strategy? And it should have never
been that. No, LinkedIn didn't need to grow.
It grows by nature of people needing jobs. Yes.
Like never in my life have I ever seen anything
like it. Hate LinkedIn. Always have. Hate it.
All right. Are you going to jump into reality
roundup? Yes, I would love to. Can we talk about
Love Island for a second? I would love to. I'm
going to turn my mic off because, you know, I
have nothing valuable to add to this. Yeah. OK,
so last time I was talking about how people have
lost the plot of Love Island and like they don't
understand what it's supposed to be about and
all of that. It's only gotten worse. It's only
gotten worse. Jesus, I've seen a lot on TikTok
about this. But also, that's what I want to talk
about. They did zero vetting this year over the
cast. They didn't even go through this cast's
social media archives. They didn't do any of
the due diligence they needed to do. Oh no, this
is going to be what I think it's going to be.
We've had two racists on there that have been
booted off. No. Two. No. One of them was on a
podcast months before going on Love Island saying,
he's my N -word. He's my N -word. She is Latina.
Okay. Oh. And then we have this other girl who
said the reason she gets Botox. are so her eyes
don't look so Asian slur. They both have had
to, like, once those clips have come to light,
right, the producers have had to go there, like,
obviously off camera, they're not willing to
show any of this, and, like, drag them off. Like
basically in the middle of the night. The first
one was literally in the middle of the night.
The second one was like in one morning. But I'm
like, you people have done this to yourself.
I don't know how you're not vetting these people,
how you're not like coming up with this shit.
I feel like you should have to do such a deep
dive before you put someone on any type of reality
show. And they clearly didn't do. So I agree.
And I'm this. I think you should have to vet
someone before you put them on reality TV, I
think. But on the other side of that, I think
if you put someone on reality TV and something
like this comes to light, you get what you get.
Period. End of story. Like you, if you weren't
willing to do the work, which from. From what
I've gathered and the maybe all total 25 minutes
of Love Island that I have watched, it does not
seem like they are willing to do the work. No,
they are not willing to work on their audio.
They're not willing to work on their cast, nor
the nonsensical things that they do on the show
that have no like repercussions or ever come
up later. Right. I feel like you just have to
accept that, like, if you're not willing to put
in the work of a production, this is the quality
of the outcome that you get. That being said,
on the other side of this, I feel conflicted
in some ways about. Pulling them off the show
and not letting them answer for their. Transgressions.
OK, so the one that was like six months ago in
a podcast, maybe that was a little like a little
too recent for them to say like I fucked up and
like, my God, I'm so embarrassed about saying
that. I think the other one was like early last
year or like maybe a couple of years ago. She
was an adult when she said it. So I'm talking
about someone like if if we're talking like on
RuPaul's Drag Race in Australia, they had one
of the queens, I guess, performed in blackface.
And that's. horrific. But what I do appreciate
about that moment is that RuPaul said, what do
you have to say about this? We just found out
about this. What do you have to say? Yeah. I
respect the hell out of that because now. The
Love Island producers are cowards. I'll just
say that. Because like when this girl, the one
who said the slur against Asian people, they
pick her out of the show. It is in the morning,
you know, because she's kind of like in the background
when they're like getting ready in the morning.
You can see her. They didn't want you to, but
you still can. Anyway, they say Sierra's left
the show for personal reasons. So now people
who are not on social media, people who are not
as chronically online as me, who have jobs, they
think like, oh, her grandma died or oh, she got
sick or something like that. No, no, no, no.
Let's say it for what it is. Or are you not willing
to admit your misstep in allowing her on this
show? I don't even know that the responsibility
falls on the production of Love Island at that
point. I think if you are going to take her off
the show and. You say, hey, we found out about
this, like this is this is why she's being removed
from the show. Hey, I think the cast deserves
to know that because they are going to come out
of this because I don't know. Do they have access
to their phones in this house? No. So they're
OK. So they're going to come out of the show
and it's going to be. It's very fuzzy on how
much they know. Yeah. They're going to be asked
for comments and they are not going there. They're
going to have no idea what to say. And they're
going to be finding out. Yeah. After all of us
know. And a hundred percent. And so now they're
talking about like the guy she was with is like,
oh, well, my head was on straight because like
I was with Sierra. I knew what I wanted, blah,
blah, blah. Oh, Jesus Christ. It's Love Island.
And now it's like. I don't know. It's not like
anyone is going up and defending her or anything
like that. I think they know to a point that
it's like something she said on social media
that was not appropriate, blah, blah, blah. Because
otherwise I think they'd be like, oh, I'm praying
for her. Oh, I miss her, blah, blah, blah. And
there's none of that. And I would argue people
being racist to Asians in general is that it
is so. diminished and minimized like people don't
take it seriously or as seriously as they should
um anyway Yeah, I do think a lot of Asian hate
is minimized. It is. It's horrific. Yeah. And
like diminished in terms of severity, because
it really does hurt a lot of people there, especially
if you're like on Love Island. This girl lost
like hundreds of thousands of followers in hours.
She was close to a million followers and she
has like 700 ,000 now. Well, it was crazy. but
it's like you hurt people's feelings like you
made people feel like they weren't enough and
like they needed a cosmetic procedure done to
look a different way okay i see okay so it's
like no it's more than hurting their feelings
you're a racist cunt yeah like sorry but okay
now i see where okay those i see where you're
connecting like girls who are looking up to you
especially asian girls who are looking up to
you can you imagine like being a little girl
From any Asian country and hearing someone like
that. I mean, granted, maybe there's a larger
conversation around like you look up to someone
who's on Love Island, but also my hero is Bethany
Frankel. So who am I to say anything? We're in
the age of social media and this is what we have.
You know what I mean? So whatever. Can you imagine
hearing that and being like, fuck, what do you
do with that? I don't know. Yeah. And I don't
know. I guess there was this whole thing. I don't
I don't know that much about. But people like
confronted her about this at the time. She's
had a lot of followers for a long time. They
confronted her about not using that word. And
she like stood ten toes down and was like, I
didn't mean it like that. Then don't fucking
say it. And then one of her little friends who
was like handling her social media was like,
you don't understand her sense of humor. Oh,
let me tell you what I'm not interested in. It's
her sense of humor. No, I don't want to get her
sense of humor if it's racist and vile. No. Well,
there's that. Yeah. OK, so moving on. Ladies
of London is coming back. Ladies of London is
coming back. I'm so excited. So this is apparently
old news. This was announced back in May. Oh,
I didn't see it. I didn't see it either. But
Ladies of London is coming back. Caroline Stanberry
talked a little bit about her experience on the
show. And I'm. thrilled i'm i'm so so so so excited
they they didn't give a ton of detail on it but
what for for people that don't know um the the
show was really focused on two two groups of
people one was the people that have always lived
in london one was america or expats that immigrated
from america to live in london then there was
one um danish well she was danish royalty uh
caroline fleming and the it was just it was a
really interesting sociology experiment you're
the dynamic of the the the original londoners
looking down on the the americans because they
were uncouth to say the least like it was it
was good stuff um But it's coming back. It doesn't
really say when it's coming back, but I do know
that I am thrilled for it because that was a
show that if I was ever depressed and in the
bed, I would watch for hours on end. That's beautiful.
It's really good. I'm excited to see it. I've
never seen it. I didn't watch the original. It's
really good. The other show that I'm kind of
excited about is. The Real Housewives of Rhode
Island is coming to Bravo. And I feel like now
that we've had Potomac and Salt Lake City and
I in the very beginning said to myself, I will
not watch this garbage TV. I think it's going
to be horrible, stupid, terrible. And those have
been the two cities that I have rewatched probably
the most. Yeah. I love Potomac. Yeah. So, so,
so, so much. I'm excited to see Rhode Island.
It's like all 10 people who live there. Yes,
probably. But like there's like money, like old
money in New England. And I'm thrilled about
that. I'm so excited. So I think that's going
to be really good. I think what we're finding
with I don't even want to call them mid -tier
cities, but cities that you typically don't think
of when you think like when you let's just call
it what it is. When you think of New York. Beverly
Hills, Orange County, Miami, and really those
those cities, you don't think of them in the
same category as you do. Let's just say Potomac,
Salt Lake City, Dallas, Dallas, New Jersey. yeah
so atlanta you know oh i i i hold atlanta on
a pedestal i know but i don't think like most
people do i but also no one's as obsessed with
the city of atlanta as i am but um so but when
you look at cities in the category that you would
put salt lake city in and potomac you you tend
to find people that are a little more willing
to put it all out there and they kind of like
the drama and they're not like above it all and
i really they're they're more real so much more
relatable too like i think that's what i love
the most about potomac compared to like i've
seen oc you know and it's like that If I feel
like I can't connect to anyone, I'm like not
interested. It's like background noise because
I'm like. That's why I've come back to Orange
County because I feel like I can connect to Katie
Janela. Yeah. So I don't know. Yeah, I'm excited.
I think it'll be great. I'm I'm thrilled. I can't
wait. Dear listener, we are in the homestretch
when it comes to. I know it's the last two episodes.
So episode nine, the Book of Reckoning. Yeah.
Baby. Macy goes to Jesse's house and we find
out there was a cast trip to New Orleans that
has apparently already been paid for. The house
is already booked. And I love New Orleans to
no end. So I was so excited. I always am. Potomac
went to New Orleans. I was excited. This is a
cool trip, though. It looked really cool. And
I felt the same way when Potomac went. But and
Jesse flat out says the timing is terrible, but.
the trip's already paid for so i guess we're
going yeah yeah which honestly makes it just
that much juicier you know what i mean like i
love a poorly timed trip i do too um jesse has
we find out jesse has to get surgery for a partial
thyroid removal because and this is something
that i think is really interesting is that i
guess a bunch of nurses reached out to her when
she started on the show i thought that was cool
too like they noticed it watching her on tv that's
so crazy yes they like she had a bunch of um
nurses reach out to her and say hey just do me
a favor go get your thyroid checked and apparently
she had a couple of um nodule spots she had something
like not tumors but whatever um and that because
those nurses said hey go get this checked out
that's how she found out there was an issue and
then We get pretty quickly into New Orleans.
The girls get to New Orleans and again, they
love a party bus. Yeah. Jesse's still kind of
unpacking her feelings about Demi. And she's
she's she shares that she's really hurt in one
of her confessionals. And she knows that she
needs to pull Demi aside to talk about how terribly
she talked about Jay -Z Styles. Right. taylor's
not there right taylor doesn't go on the trip
because she i this could have been one of two
things she didn't want to deal with the fallout
from the other girls or she's actually like going
through a lot in her life. I think it's a combination
of both. Sure. I think it's, there's trouble
in paradise. She's having a really hard time
with Dakota and trying to parent her children.
She's also co -parenting with her ex -husband.
We don't see any of that on the show, so we don't
really know how that's going. Um, and I think
she feels unsupported at this point by all the
girls. So like, that's not who she would want
to surround herself with if she were to go on
a trip while she's going through a hard time.
So, I agree. This is a complete side note, but
the Social Studies podcast with Joe Dombrowski
and Gaspar Randazzo have the same intro music
to their podcast that was playing when the girls
walked into this house. And I said, oh, look
at you getting royalty -free music from Adobe
Stop. Come on. The budget is low. Yeah. This
was an expensive trip. Another time the food
looked in. Incredible. They tried to feed them
Cajun food and it looked so good. So there was
a the chef's name was Shaquita Sutton. And I
hope I'm saying that right. This woman, you could
hear it in her voice that she. knows how to cook
and like there is you can throw down yeah there
is nothing that i wanted more than just to try
like some of the chicken and some of the rice
like oh my god it looks so good it looks so good
and that's coming from someone who's had cajun
food i've lived in louisiana it looked so good
but like also the presentation of all of it where
she had it all on like the like the plating and
like i was like oh she's so good at her job oh
my god like i i felt so comfortable and safe
i hope she like got a lot of business from that
yeah i i truly hope that there was some some
good that came out of that for her i think oh
god that looked incredible yeah um me too so
then jen yeah that so it it appeared that jen
had come straight out of therapy and sent the
girls a video where she shared basically that
she's in an incredibly dark place and she acknowledges
that she's hurting and that maybe why she's hurt
the other girls because i i do believe this like
hurt people hurt people 100 um and i think and
i'm not being sarcastic when i say this i think
this is probably one of the most mature things
jen has ever done yeah i think it's hard for
her it's hard for her to put herself out there
in a way that it's authentic yeah and accepts
criticism like And put her out vulnerably. Yeah.
Yeah. She has a hard time with that. And I think
a lot of people who are going through depression
feel that way, too. Like, it's just you're already
hurting so bad. You don't want to be vulnerable.
to other people to make it worse and I think
that's like what she's been trying to do is like
protect her peace and she shouldn't have gone
to the extent of lying especially to her husband
but at least she's like showing an ounce of accountability
at this point like she's she's at least showing
like I know I'm accountable I'm just going through
a hard time like give me some space and some
time and hopefully we can like work through it
type of thing and maybe Maybe obviously not at
the reunion because she didn't do it there. But
maybe after the dust settles from the way this
season shakes out, maybe she can come back and
say, let's rebuild something. Right. I can totally
see her eventually coming back and being like,
hey, that was a really hard time for me. I'm
sorry I had to drag you down with me. Can we
just like. create something new like start from
scratch type of thing however demi's inability
to accept an apology she did it to taylor and
then she turned around and immediately did it
to jane she can't accept an apology from fucking
anyone but i literally wrote down my god demi's
actually going to push me to be on jen's side
and that That I never thought was going to be
possible because I have been very honest about
how I have felt about Jen throughout this this
journey. Yeah. Here's the thing. Jen sends. Let's
take let's take feelings out of it for a second,
like feelings about the optics of the video.
Jen sends you a video where she is a broken woman.
She is pregnant, pregnant. in a horrible state
of mind yes and she comes to you as raw and as
real as she can and this is coming from someone
who does not fucking like her i do not like jen
right now and she she was trying to just let
meet you where she was at Yeah. And for Demi
to come back and say, I think it's weird when
people do crying videos. You're a bitch. She's
crying because she feels emotional for how she
treated you. She's crying because she realizes
that she's in a dark place and she has dragged
you down with her. She is crying because she
feels things. I would go as far as to say, like,
maybe I didn't even think it was about any of
that. I think she was like, or maybe I think
you're I take that back. I think she was crying
because it was a culmination of all of those
things. And then she like, I think the precipice
of it was like, oh, my God, I fucked up. I fucked
up so bad. I fucked up. And like, you know, you
don't know where to put any other emotion. So
you're just you just start crying. Plus, you're
hormonal because you're pregnant. I'm crying
all the time over nothing. And I think that's
where Jen was at in that moment. And for Demi
to come back and say, I think it's weird when
people do that. You're. A mean girl asshole.
She is a mean girl. She is so un... She... I
hope she never has to apologize for anything
in her life because she does not deserve forgiveness
after the way she has refused to forgive her
own friends. No. And she goes as far as to say
it's manipulative and she doesn't buy it because
it's weird and cowardly to film a crying video.
She didn't put it on the Internet for everyone
to see. She sent it to you. She sent it to the
entire group. And she said, this is why I'm here.
And I feel like I've hurt people because of where
I'm at. And you weren't willing to hear that.
You are the problem. And I'm not willing to hear
anything else from Demi. And if you didn't want
to accept her apology, I would almost be OK with
you saying. at least showing some kind of respect
for the fact that she tried to reach out and
tell you where she is and tell you why she's
hurt you. I would accept you saying, well, I
get that's why you hurt me, but you still hurt
me and I need time to like come to terms with
that. Oh my God. Yeah. If she would have said
I'm not ready yet, a hundred percent, I would
have been fine with it. Yeah, but you have to
forgive people. Aren't you Mormon? Aren't you
supposed to be forgiving? I don't understand.
There's no hate like Christian love, my love.
So then Macy calls out that she feels like anything
that anyone says will be used against them in
a future argument. talking about Demi and then
Demi gets or yeah gets defensive about this I
love that Macy said something because I was feeling
the same way about you're not going to allow
anyone in this group to be vulnerable or imperfect
at all right because they can't say they're sorry
but so this is the thing is like okay so Taylor
is was her first and then it well it was really
it was Whitney then it's Taylor and then it's
like Well, it's Jen now, but then it's like,
at what point do all the girls start to say,
oh, none of us are safe from Demi's wrath. Like,
and that's it's weird to say that. But like,
yeah, it's true. That's the truth that you better
not tell Demi anything. Oh, yeah. You don't want
to hear in a vulnerable setting because she will
use the dirtiest thing to make you feel something
and try to win an argument. Right. Like you can't
be vulnerable with that girl at all. By the way,
she doesn't even have her own face anymore. No
one's calling that out. Well, I think that's
pretty manipulative and cowardly not to have
your own face. Yeah. Oh, my God. No one's calling
out the age gap between you and your husband.
No one's calling any of this out to your face.
Right. So why do you have to play so dirty? It's
gross. The girls go to a burlesque show. I couldn't
believe they did that. I. It was like an actual
like burlesque show. Like, dear viewer, holes
were being shown. I I've been to a burlesque
show. I've never been to one in New Orleans.
They get a little freaky deaky in New Orleans
outside of burlesque shows. So everything is
like, yeah. Yes. So this woman gets up on stage
and. Her tits and her puss were out. Oh, yeah.
And because I've every burlesque I've ever been
to, I've seen titties at a burlesque and like
I've but mostly it's just lingerie. Yeah, typically
it is lingerie. But this girl, this girl, I am
naked on this stage. I'm naked. I am the way
God made me. And then the dancer pulls a literal
joint out of her cooch. Yeah. Lights it up, takes
a hit. And then she walks up to Layla and says,
here. And then Layla takes a hit out of her.
Did you notice who was saying, oh, her, oh, her,
oh, her. Was it Jenny? Of course she did. Stupid,
stupid. Yeah, it was. That was. That was a lot.
A lot. Go Layla. And here's the thing is. I.
I don't have a lot of boundaries with this stuff.
I don't know that I could have taken a hit off
the cooch joint. Yeah, that's a little intense,
especially like, you don't know this woman. You
didn't sign a waiver. No. No. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know. Go Layla. I was impressed. I mean,
honestly, I was too. Yeah. We go back to Utah.
Taylor goes to her mom's house and she talks
about how she's not in a great headspace because
of the Saints and Sinners party. She feels like
it's better to stay home and go to therapy. I
agree with her. I think Taylor is very mature
for taking that stance. I think I was very grown
up to be like, maybe I shouldn't be in New Orleans
right now. Right. But also something that like
it goes a step further to show that Taylor. doesn't
care about the publicity of all of it because
what what goes on behind the scenes and like
the conversations that go on if you don't show
up to events they will start to they will start
to produce you out of the show like they've talked
about it on the real housewives a lot like the
reason that um oh fuck who was it uh mary cosby
the reason mary cosby got written out of the
the second second second or third season was
that she didn't oh she she didn't get i'm sorry
it was the third season the reason mary cosby
didn't come back for season three is because
she didn't show up to season two of or the season
two reunion um yeah of salt lake city so this
this is a very this could have very real impacts
for taylor and she said my mental health is more
important so i will i do appreciate that about
her yeah Yeah. We're back in New Orleans. Jesse's
doing Layla's hair and Michaela is giving Miranda
lymphatic massage. It was a weird, weird scene.
Yeah, it was kind of strange. I do like a lymphatic
massage. Like, I believe in the idea of that.
I don't know what that is. Oh, so like your lymph
nodes. You know, the things that get swollen
when you get sick, they like hold all kinds of
hormones and impurities and stuff. And so a lymphatic
massage is like draining that. Oh, yeah. Layla
says she's a little bit high and decides now's
the time to ask Demi if she ever sees herself
being friends with Taylor again. First of all,
you're not high. Secondly. What a strange thing
to ask. It is. I think she's just trying. Poor
Layla is trying to tow both sides of this line
that's a mile wide. It is. And obviously Demi
says no. She's not gonna be friends with her.
I don't want them to be friends again. Honestly,
I don't want anyone to be friends with Demi.
No. All the girls are confused. about Demi rebuilding
her relationship with Whitney and then it's kind
of like there's a double standard and then Layla
just starts disassociating again yeah and I have
a feeling that part of this comes back to her
childhood I wonder what kind of home she grew
up in like I wonder if there was because I Taylor
my cousin Taylor and I have talked a lot about
this where when fights are happening around us
that we're not directly involved in we will start
to do exactly what Layla's doing where we will
just stare off into space and we will not know
what's going on around us because we don't want
to deal with it. Yeah, I think she just doesn't
want to be involved in any of it. Right. And
then let's see. Demi is willing to die on the
hill of believing Taylor is the problem. I believe
that this is because Demi wants to be the leader
of the group and make the most money. That's
really what it boils down to. Oh, 100%. Yes.
She can't have any grace for Taylor because if
that's true, then Taylor will remain the leader
of mom talk. Right. And maybe Taylor does chase
chaos. Maybe she does. But do you think for one
second that you are not guilty of that also,
Demi? That's all you're doing. All of the girls
there are guilty of that. It's like the clout
chasing argument. Oh, my God. Don't don't get
me started. Like, that's what you're there to
do. Speaking of what they're there to do, we
cut to the next morning where Layla comes down.
Oh, this is messy, messy. This this was actually
hard to watch. Yeah. So Layla comes down with
a Walgreens bag full of. pregnancy test and says
let's play pregnancy roulette and i feel like
i vaguely remember this being a trend on tiktok
yeah it was okay it was and macy starts panicking
because she's like i'm not ready to tell the
girls i'm pregnant she wanted to do it on her
terms yeah sure and this is something i didn't
expect from layla of all people but she's like
it'll be fine it'll be fine it'll be fine and
like pressured the girls into doing it I remember
how I said she kind of just doesn't think before
she speaks. I think she just really wanted to
do it. And like, she just doesn't think about
the implications of what she's doing or saying.
And part of me wonders. Did production put her
up to this a little bit? Yeah. What car do you
think she used to go buy all those pregnancy
tests? OK, OK. You know what I mean? I agree.
So Michaela is the first one to pull out. Wait.
Yeah, I'm sorry. Michaela pulls out the first
positive test. And. That's how we come to find
out Michaela is also pregnant. Yeah. Well, yeah,
when they're talking about it later, because
there are two there are two positive tests. She
tells Macy like in the privacy of their room.
She's also in a confessional, too. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. And then I will give Demi this one. Of
course, she's the one to pull out the second
positive one. Yeah, that that was hard to watch.
And that really, really, really sucked because
she has been. She has been trying to get pregnant
and she starts crying. She has a full blown meltdown
and. I had to take another positive test. Yes.
And and like I'm sorry, she had to take another
pregnancy test, which obviously came out negative.
So that confirmed because neither Michaela nor
Macy were willing to, like, give up their right
to tell the girls how they wanted to. And even
if one of them did, they would have had to do
both of them. And so they. Yeah, that was hard.
And so Demi did think for a minute it could be
her. And so then she had to go take another pregnancy
test and see the negative and be like heartbroken.
Yeah. I will say I hate Demi right now. That
really was hard to watch. Can I say something
a little insensitive? Please. If you're struggling
with your fertility and you're actively trying
to have a baby, why are you not sitting in the
bathroom? After you take your pregnancy test
until you see the results of said pregnancy test
before you put it in the roulette. OK, I'll get
I'll go one step further and I would if I were
Demi, I would have said I'm flat out not willing
to participate in this game. 100 percent. Number
one, it's a game. But if you're going to do it,
I just feel like. To avoid all of this pain that
you've experienced time and time and time again
with a negative test and not knowing, I would
have known my result before I ever put it back
in the bag. Oh, 100%. Like, I don't know why
she let it actually be a roulette. And like,
because this is like the obvious outcome. They're
always pregnant in this group. There was going
to be somebody. My God, I've never seen a group
of pregnant people like this before in my life.
So Jesse goes in to comfort Demi, who is now
a complete and total wreck. And I thought this
was big of Jesse because they're going through
their own stuff right now. Yeah, I do too. This
is where Demi starts to lose me, where she's
like, I try so hard to consider everyone else's
feelings and everyone's so flippant about mine.
And I was like, you have never considered another
person's feelings in your life. Never. Not once.
No. So then. Macy tells Michaela that she's also
pregnant and she's like two weeks ahead of her.
They tell each other they're pregnant. It's very
sweet and cute. But then they have to go tell
Demi and it's like they almost feel like ashamed
because Demi's going through it. Exactly. However,
Miss Fan Favorite can go to all of her fans to
feel better. She can. I just. We go back to.
We go back home where Taylor tells us she's deciding
it's time to break things off with Dakota. And
she feels at peace with that situation. And did
we ever see them break up? No. And it's just
like, I feel like I've heard that from her a
million times. A million times. Like, how done
are you actually? Are you going to stop sleeping
with him? Are you going to stop leading him on?
No. Because, like, what do you mean by breaking
things off? You're already not together technically.
So we'll see. So we go back to New Orleans. The
girls are running around. They go to Cafe Du
Monde and eat beignets. And they look so good.
I want one. I love them. Have you been there?
Oh, yeah. I want one so bad. They have a Cafe
Du Monde. They have like the the one you envision,
the one Kim Kardashian went to, the big one on
Jackson Square. But then they also have a location
like. In their city park. There are locations
that are like indoors. They're all delicious.
Rarely will you find a bad beignet, especially
in New Orleans. They're so good. I love that.
And I will be eating them next week. I am so
excited for you. By the dozen. Jessie decides
that it's time to pull Demi aside while they're
walking around a market. And she wants to hear
Demi's side of the story. Of course, Demi presents
it in the best way she possibly can. And Jessie
feels like she's being taken advantage of because
she does everyone's hair for free. And that's
I didn't realize that, but that's completely
valid. And I wouldn't be doing that. I just got
to tell you, I if they were like my best friends.
Yeah. She walks away from the conversation saying
she doesn't feel better and that maybe the move
is to put up a wall and keep some distance between
her and Demi. And I think everyone should put
up a wall around Demi and leave Demi inside of
the wall. Yet again, Jesse being mature and emotionally
intelligent and realizing Demi can't own her
mistakes. And so she'll just distance herself.
The girls go back to the house and they start
to unpack a little bit about the Mormon church.
And then Jesse acknowledges that the church is
a little culty. And this brought me back to the
Nazarene church because I was like, ooh, we are
going to talk about this one day because there's
a lot there. So many people have had that awakening.
My dad grew up Catholic. He's an atheist. My
mom, too, actually. Oh, love that. Jesse says
she doesn't really believe some of the stuff
in the Book of Mormon, but she feels comfortable.
And she also feels uncomfortable about the sealing
and marriage situation in the church. And they
talk about this a little bit on The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City, too. I guess the long and
short of it is if you get married in the Mormon
temple, your marriage is sealed. in the eyes
of god and as long as it's sealed regardless
of what happens in yeah it doesn't matter if
you get divorced or anything yeah and that to
me feels uncomfortable but then if it's unsealed
you're unsealed from your entire family so like
and this is this is where i come back to with
like the religion thing where it's like there's
always that big bad boogie man like in the afterlife
to scare you because i uh because it like in
uh it was i think it was miranda's situation
they her husband unsealed the marriage to get
sealed to another person it was i don't know
miranda's marriage is unsealed so now miranda
is told that she's not sealed to her children
in the afterlife right yeah that's what it is
sick yeah because it's like you're in in some
religions you're told like oh in the afterlife
you don't know who anyone is and you're just
a floating ball of light in heaven or whatever
and it's like Heather Gay talks about how her
family always said there's never going to be
empty chairs at the in heaven when she gets there.
And now she feels like because she's not in that
religion anymore, she feels a sense of loss there.
And I hate that. Yeah. Why are you like. You're
already going through struggle and strife in
your living life. And now you're also creating
stress about your afterlife. I just can't. But
that's the thing about religion that gets me
so much is like, oh, my God, we're all so obsessed
with dying. Seriously, you are so worried about
what happens when you die. And it's like ruining
your actual life. OK, I'm sorry. So the Miranda
situation, she does explain that her husband
removed himself from the church, which is what
broke the seal from her. But because you have
to have a man to be sealed to, she's no longer
sealed to her children in the eyes of the church.
And that I just can't subscribe to that. That's
so sick. Yeah. They literally have your DNA.
Like, I just can't subscribe to that way of thinking.
I can't. I understand it's their religion, but
like that. Has to cause you such pain. And for
what? Yes. The girls go to a vampire dinner.
Yeah. It was so weird. I will say in the opening
shots walking there, I've never seen anyone look
as incredible as Macy does. I know. My God. She
was eating that up. My God. I still remember
what she looked like. Yeah. What a woman. so
the restaurant they get you have you are there
a lot of places like this in new orleans like
it feels like it's like they like the occult
is what i'll say it's not like they like halloween
or anything like that but they like they lean
into that like demons vampires that type of thing
they think everything is haunted all the time
obviously there's like voodoo and stuff like
that but that's like Not really fucked with as
much. I mean, it's yeah, it's a touristy thing,
too. Sure. And I've never been to a place like
that, but that I have always known people who
live there. So, like, that's why this kind of
place feels like a tourist trap. So they they
go in. It's witchy. It's vampire or whatever.
The waiter comes out and he's wearing fangs.
yeah and the drinks are in blood bags and like
okay like whatever but then he says like there's
virgin blood in the drinks and i know it was
probably just fruit punch or whatever yeah it's
i wouldn't have been able to drink whatever the
drink was because i wouldn't have been able to
get past that mental block i have a thing about
that like and i wouldn't have been able to do
that yeah it's weird I don't know. And you would
think like as super religious people, like Mormons,
they would be like, oh, I can't even like say
I'm doing that. Oh, I'm I agree. It's shocking
to me that they like were into that. I didn't
like it. Demi is a demon monster and the other
girls are starting to see it like because. And
at this point, it feels like it's becoming an
obsession with Demi where it's like, I have to
talk about Taylor. I have to talk about Taylor.
It's like a tick almost. Yes. Well, yeah, she's
like on this train of trying to replace Taylor.
So she like keeps driving into it. Can't stop
talking about Taylor, especially when Taylor's
not there. Oh, no, because like, God forbid you
ever stand on your own business. But that's neither
here nor there. Yeah. If Taylor can defend herself,
then you're scared. So what now? So what now?
But what now is episode 10, the season finale,
the book of salvation. Oh, yeah, baby. We're
almost there. Listener. OK, so we open the episode.
Layla brings Taylor a beignet kit. Yeah. If I
don't receive a beignet kit from you when you
come back from New Orleans, I will kill myself.
Just so you can get them all over the place.
I'll get you. So. Layla does feel like she needs
to make up for not fully having Taylor's back.
And this. The more and more I think about the
way the rest of this scene went, Taylor's mom
has to be talking to production directly. You
would say there's no doubt in my mind. And I
think they're doing her dirty because like they
are. Putting her in situations where she looks
like the idiot and they're not telling her how
to handle it. So Taylor's mom shows up and she
they're talking about the Christmas party that
Demi's hosting and. Taylor's like, I guess like,
like I've, I've bought all the stuff for, and
Layla's like, you're not invited, babe. What
are you talking about? And we find out like she
was accidentally invited, which that's a real
kick in the dick. But Taylor's mom is sitting
there. She's like, I could go. She's so weird.
Desperate to be on that show. She wants all the
screen time possible, but she also is like, If
my mom acted like that on TV or not, I would
be so humiliated. Oh, to say the least. Knowing
how this shakes out, though, I'm kind of OK with
Leanne offering to insert herself. I don't know
that I am. But I also am obviously not like Taylor,
because if my mom would have even said, well,
I can show up, I would have been like. No, you
won't. No, please don't. Denise would not have
known that this party was happening. No, but
like, I don't know. That's the difference between
me and Taylor, I guess. I would have been like,
hard no. Absolutely not. Why does she want to
deal with her grown daughter's problems for her?
Make her face it. She doesn't want to deal with
the problems. She wants to be on TV. Yeah. I
think that's a universal truth we all need to
accept. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. So we get to
the Christmas party. I hate it that Demi looks
gorgeous. Like she looks really good. She looks
stunning at the Christmas party. It pissed me
off. There's a champagne toast and Demi says,
I feel like there's going to be minimal drama
because Taylor's not here. Then Leanne immediately
walks in holding a gift. Yeah. Hi, Leanne. We
get a flashback to. Leanne calling Whitney and
saying, why didn't you show up to Taylor's baby
shower? And this is also embarrassing for Taylor.
Yeah. Weird. Leanne and Demi go to sit down and
talk and. So I'm conflicted about this. I know
I've given Leanne a lot of shit and like I think
she deserves it most of the time. I. If you look
at it in for nothing else, but. this is a mom
who's willing to show up for her daughter sure
sure i do think that that's not quite what this
is but like i will say maybe that was part of
it maybe that's why taylor was so desperate not
not i think taylor's been desperate for her mom
to defend her for most of her life and i think
maybe this is why taylor was like i'll give her
that whatever i don't know yeah i mean it's Obviously,
you'd love to see a mom standing up for her daughter,
but it's like, I don't know. Doing it in the
most dramatic way possible to be on TV makes
it a little less genuine to me. But what's even
more awkward than Leanne's mom showing up? I'm
sorry, what's even more awkward than Leanne showing
up to talk to Demi is Whitney walking over to
have Demi's back. Whitney needs to mind her business.
Honest to God. Whitney, you're invited to this
party. Leave well enough alone. Yeah, please
be grateful for your seat and go away. So Demi
talks about how she's also been a single mom
in the past when when it comes up like Taylor
doesn't feel supported. And then. She's comparing
herself to Taylor, talking about how she's also
been a single mom. And then we get to Jessie
saying, Demi was a single mom for one month.
That made me cackle when I watched it. I was
so dead. And what I appreciate about Jessie is
she's not going to let you get it. Not after
you talk shit about her business. Tell it like
it is, Jessie. Brett was kind of standing over
on the sidelines. And what I do appreciate about
Brett that I don't think a lot of. husbands on
reality tv especially real housewives um he did
what a lot of them don't do is that he was over
just kind of letting the conversation play out
how it was going to he never once said oh look
at those women over there doing women things
like he just said i'm staying out of it entirely
and only inserted himself when santa shows up
and that was and part of me is like Could he
have done a better job defending his wife? Maybe.
I don't think it was his place to defend her.
I think she was having a conversation with another
grown woman and she can hold her own in that.
Yeah. Leanne decides it's time to head out and
Demi says to Leanne, I haven't even pulled out
the boxing gloves yet. She's so petty. Well,
and this is where I'm like, Okay, so you're going
out of your way to, like, to annihilate her entire
family at this point. Yeah. I think that if you
were going to be an asshole to Leanne, you should
have said you're not welcome here. I'm not. It's
not a conversation I'm willing to participate
in. You sit down with her. You have the conversation.
You basically say your daughter's a cunt. How
dare you show up and defend her? And you're this
is Taylor not being willing to show up and like
fight her own battles. And now you're saying,
oh, I haven't even pulled up the box. What are
you going to do? Tell me what you're going to
do. If you had anything to say, you had an hour
to say it while you were talking to Leanne. Right.
And. So Leanne leaves in tears and then all the
women kind of rally around and like hug Leanne
and say like, yeah, that was kind of fucked up
and disrespectful. Yeah, that was a lot. Demi
decides it's time to open the gift and it ends
up being a PR box from Jay -Z Styles. Yes. Jay
-Z had no idea what was in that box and I think
that made it even better. I know, 100%. Was it
petty? Yes, but this wouldn't have been a thing
if you wouldn't have put yourself in that situation,
you asshole. It was meant to be petty and you
made it. You were petty first. You can't get
mad at someone for being petty when you were
petty with them. And P .S., you just screamed
at their mom. Yes. So then Demi says we should
all have a board meeting to figure out who's
in and who's out of mom talk. Of course. Of course
she does. Next scene, Macy goes to visit her
former boyfriend, Eric's parents. This made me
cry and cry and cry. I yeah. This is also when
they visit the crash site, right? It comes later.
So. We find out that Macy's been super open with
her son Hudson about his dad and. Yeah, because
Eric has passed away. For those who don't know
what we're talking about. Right. Eric passed
away in a car accident. And she tells Eric's
mom that she wants to share this story in her
book, but she feels like she hasn't fully grieved
about losing him. And she shares that she hasn't
even been to the crash site yet. Yeah. Eric's
mom is incredibly sweet. And I feel like for
a mom that lost her kid to be able to a come
on camera. And B, talk about this and hold it
together the way she did. That's pretty incredible.
Yeah. And then she encourages Macy to to kind
of work through the grieving and then to just
live because that's what Eric would have wanted.
I think everyone at some point says that to people
that, you know, like. have lost someone but like
yeah but you do have to face it because it's
so easy to just like give up you know what I
mean right yeah um Dakota picks Everett from
Leanne's house and he says that being apart from
Taylor is what's best right now great I'm glad
you think that I'm glad you're telling us you
think that yeah okay anyway anyway Yeah, so then
we go to Jesse's salon. Jesse gives us an update
about her thyroid. I didn't realize they have
to like slit your throat open to do that surgery.
Yeah, your thyroid's like right here. I don't
know where I thought your thyroid was, but yeah,
so luckily everything came back clean. Jesse's
got a clean bill of health. Macy shows up to
get extensions for her mom and. Jessie immediately
knows exactly what kind of extensions her mom
needs. Oh, the way she walked in and she was
like, oh, well, your mom uses this and this.
I thought that was so sweet. Like, it made me
feel safe. You can tell that she, like, genuinely
cares about hair. Like, she's passionate about
it and she applies herself to it. I agree. And
then they start to unpack the situation with
Demi and they both agree that Demi's not being
a good friend. Yeah. I think. Those are the two
most mature people like in this whole show, Macy
and Jesse. Million percent. Yes. And for them
to sit down and be like, I can't really give
any grace to Demi. Both of them speaks volumes
like she's not being a good person. I agree.
We cut to the mom talk meeting at Jesse's house.
Mm hmm. All the girls show up and then before
Taylor, but then Taylor shows up a little bit
late. It is as awkward as anything has ever been.
Yeah. I guess Taylor and Demi haven't talked
since the Saints and Sinners party. And they
all sit down, talk. And there's kind of a consensus
that mom talk as an existing in the spirit in
which it was originally intended. Yeah. Which.
it's true and they're not having fun anymore
and i think that's right i'm glad that they acknowledge
that it was supposed to be a fun thing and they're
not supposed to be posting tiktoks and uplifting
each other i feel like if anything they became
like too close for comfort where like they're
having trouble uplifting each other partially
because they are like best friends now or like
at least acting like best friends right and it's
like you can't like keep them at an arm's length
when you when you're so close yeah it's not business
anymore right and it's like it's obvious they're
not having fun and so i'm glad that they were
like aware enough to bring that to attention
right um miranda is Like her name comes up and
the girls agree to give her a little bit more
time to become part of the group. I thought that
was fair since she didn't really like have much
of a storyline this season. We didn't hear from
her that much. Sure. I don't know. I like Miranda.
I like her too. I like her a lot. I would have
been happy if they voted her and I just thought
like, OK, that makes sense. Whitney comes up
and. taylor's response actually shocked me a
little bit because she said she felt like she
was the only one that stuck up for her and yeah
that has backfired on her so she's not voting
yes but she's like whatever and the rest of the
girls say okay whatever so majority rules and
She's back in mom talk. Whitney has never been
happier. She was over the moon. She was happier
about this than she was about her baby. I'm telling
you. She was thrilled. I was honestly like, this
is mental illness. Taylor says that Demi shouldn't
be part of the group, though. And Demi is as
hateful as anyone has ever been to Taylor. brings
the venom out it was this was ugly like ugly
and this all comes back to the ultimatum that
she gave the group where she said if taylor's
in i'm out yeah she didn't think taylor was gonna
find out about this which is so stupid how can
you think taylor's not gonna find out you said
that right sorry so demi calls taylor disgusting
human being and when Not a single soul backs
her up. Of course, she immediately starts crying.
And of course, she throws herself on the cross
talking about how how she's such a good friend.
And she would be fighting to the death for any
of the other girls. And which is so funny because
you were just trying to get them off the show.
She decides she's going to take some time to
decide if staying in mom talk is the right thing
to do. And she goes and she says, if the girl
if you girls don't mind. And Taylor goes, yeah,
we don't mind. I think when I watched this, I
thought Demi was scared she was about to be voted
out for the way that she was venomous all season
long. So she removed herself before they could
take a vote. I agree. That's what I think. You're
100 percent right. And. The girls decide that
in this moment, we're going to be better off
without Demi because I think mom talk can finally
start to heal. Sounds like she should just stay
gone. I hope so. So the next day, Macy and Michaela
go to Eric's crash site. And this was. This was
obviously a big deal for Macy and. While I've
had a hard time with Michaela this season, I
think Michaela was a very, very, very good friend
to her. I think the whole season Michaela was
a good friend to Macy. Yes, but I think in this
moment she showed the hell up. She did. She did.
And this is a hard this had to be a hard thing
because I've never been to the crash site where
Jack's dad got in an accident. I've never been
there. And, like, I can't imagine going there.
Right. So, like, props to her for being so strong.
Yes. I, again, cried and cried and cried and
cried. But, like, yeah, I couldn't believe, like,
that was such an emotional thing. And that's
why I think we should read her book. I think
I said this, like, a few episodes back. You'll
get to the point where I think we should read
her book because I can relate. And that's it.
Absolutely. I've already pre -ordered it. I'll
pre -order you a copy too. I'll get it. It's
already too late. I'm doing it right now. I don't
like e -books so I need a physical copy. I'll
buy you a physical copy. Macy opens up about
how she and Eric were in a fight when he passed
and she actually found out about him passing
from an Instagram post from one of his friends.
I cannot imagine, like, being in a fight with
someone and, like, you don't even know what you
have left that's unsaid. And mind you, she didn't
have to say this on the show. I think she is
so strong for being that honest about her mindset
and where she was when this happened. Like, wow.
Yeah. I like the fact that she can admit to herself
and to all of America that like they were in
an argument when this happened. Like she didn't,
no one made her say that. No one made her say
anything. I really like respect her. Well, that's
the thing is like. This is what I really appreciate
about Macy is that she had the chance to rewrite
a narrative here. She had the chance to say like,
no, everything was fine. And she said, no, we
were fighting. And I said some pretty horrific
shit to him. And I regret what I said. Yeah.
That's huge. Yeah. And then and again, Michaela
comes out of the car with Macy and. And, you
know, I feel about the whole religion thing,
but like. And Michaela says, do you want me to
say a little prayer? And like, I think in that
moment, Macy really, really, really needed that.
Yeah. And I'm going to cry about it now. Yeah,
that was Macy was just or Michaela was a really
good friend to Macy in that moment. One hundred
percent. She was there for her in every capacity,
but she also didn't like. She didn't make it
more dramatic than it needed to be. She didn't
drag it out. She didn't ask Macy a hundred times
how she's feeling. She just let it be this. And
she also said this is for Macy. This is for Macy
to heal. And I am just here to support that.
And that was huge. Yeah, I do think she's a really
good friend to Macy. I think the problem with
Michaela is that she's very. choosy with who
she will be friends with. But when she's friends
with someone, I think she's a pretty good friend.
Yeah. So we come to the last scene of the season.
Where Layla goes up to me, meet up with Marciano
and Lord have mercy. You know exactly what I'm
going to say about this man. Lord have mercy.
marciano they get up to i guess his hotel room
i don't know marciano pours himself a glass of
straight tequila yeah a glass mind you not a
double shot not a shot in a glass a full glass
there are probably four or five shots just like
in this cup no ice i mean it's a hardened alcoholic
oh a hundred percent um Layla asked some questions
about what went down between him and Demi. And
Marciano says he thought it was a swinger situation
and then he tried to kiss Demi. And then he tells
a story about him and Jesse. And we get some
context flashbacks about the rumors about them.
Kissing in the bar. Yeah, Tom, Tom and Sir. And
my God, Lisa Vanderpump, this is a field day
for her. Every single one of her. She is thrilled.
She is so happy. And then we we end on the cliffhanger
where he says they fucked and it was a full blown
affair. Yeah. And that's the end of the season,
the end of the episode until the reunion. We'll
talk about the reunion next time. But. Oh, whoa.
I just it's just so out of left field. There's
a lot there because like Jesse was my favorite
all season. And so it's like I she's still my
favorite. Her and Macy are still my favorites.
Yeah. Number one. Number two. I don't know that
I buy it. I don't know that I do either. We'll
talk about it more because of the reunion. But
like. I just don't know who's telling the truth
at this point. No, I don't either. That's the
end of the season. Yep, that's the end of the
season of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Dear
listener, thank you so much for being a part
of today's episode. This has been Emma and I
have been recording for four hours straight.
It's a lot. I am going to. Jack knows it's the
end because he took that iPad like you wouldn't
believe. Thank you for being here. Thank you
for being a part of this. We love you from Indy
to Belgium to hopefully Italy soon. Hopefully
Iceland soon because we want to come visit. Jack,
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That's beautiful. We do love you guys. We do
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