Hi, I'm Travis. And I'm Emma. What's the last
song you listened to? Oh, yeah. One second. It
was... Bedless by Pierce the Veil. What was it?
It's called Bedless by Pierce the Veil. Bedless?
Unfortunately, it's one of their newer songs,
which just doesn't hit the same, but regardless,
love them. Oh. Mine was Yippee -Ki -Yay by Kesha
and T -Pain. Preparing for their concert. Well,
Kesha's concert, but. I would love to see T -Pain
in concert too, though. I kind of would too.
I wouldn't hate that. I love T -Pain. Do you
know he's like an actually really talented singer?
Yeah. He just uses auto -tune to sound, to have
that sound he has. Well, he's also like a really
talented writer too. Like Kesha was talking about
how, I guess. He called her at like two or three
in the morning and said, I have an idea. And
then an hour later, Yippee -ki -yay existed.
Yeah. Yeah. He's insane. I love T -Pain. I think
he's a really underrated artist in the sense
of artistry. He is genuinely talented. Love that.
Anyway. So what do you want to start with today?
I don't really have much in the sense of pregnancy
updates, at least that I'm willing to share,
except that my dreams are vivid and I can't sleep.
What was the last thing you dreamed about? The
last one I remember is being in high school for
some reason, but my stepdad was like dying and
then he died. But it was all very weird. It was
like he was in the hospital for two seconds before
he died. It was so weird. And my stepdad is fine.
But most of the time I can't remember them. Like
they keep me up all night. But the second I go
to sleep again, I can't remember it anymore.
It's been a trip. Let me just tell you. Trying
to sleep. I mean. I bet. How big is baby August
right now? Like in your stomach? Cucumber. Cucumber.
Yeah, five and a half inches, they say. It feels
like a massive jump from onion. Yeah, it really
does. But they say every time I've gone to the,
like I've gotten an ultrasound, they say that
he's measuring a week too big, like a week bigger
than I actually am. And next week is mango. So
I'm telling myself mango. Oh, also, isn't a cucumber
longer than a mango? I don't. Anyway. Yeah, probably.
I would think so. I have felt like I had little
like flutters before, like I could feel him a
little bit. But now I can feel like actual sharp
little kicks, which is crazy. Really? So does
he have like feet and stuff now? Oh, yeah. I
don't. He's had feet the whole time. Let's see.
What are the updates for this week? Do you want
to know something I don't understand? The development
of a fetus. The body is basically there from
the beginning. It's just a matter of like growing
into it. Yeah. And like things move around and
adjust and you start, you know, you have like
hair all over your body and like fat all over
your body. And he he has fingerprints now. That's
what they say. Huh? Yeah. Wow. Don't commit any
crimes, little August. I know. Get locked up
in the baby jail. Yeah. I mean, there's nothing
that really exciting this week other than the
fingerprint thing, to be honest. We would be
able to tell this week if he was a boy or a girl
from an ultrasound, but we got the genetic testing
done. So like the genetic testing tells you like
if they have an X, Y or X or Y chromosome. Yeah.
OK, so then. Well, everyone has one X, but if
it's a double X or an X, Y. Right. Oh, yes. The
second. Right. So why doesn't everyone just do
that? It wasn't a common thing seven years ago.
Really? At least in Louisiana. I don't know.
It's weird because the moms I talk to up here
are like, oh, yeah, I've done that for every
pregnancy. And they like have kids Jack's age.
But I was in Louisiana for this stage of my pregnancy
last time. And like they didn't even offer it
to me. Like it was not a. Interesting. They did
genetic testing, but it was like to see if the
baby had Down syndrome or if there, you know,
anything genetically wrong with them that they
can tell early on. Huh. Maybe they just didn't
like think to use it for that thing, because
like that in my mind, like that would be the
first thing to check on that, I guess. I don't
know. I don't know. Um, so they offered it to
us this time and I was like, heck yeah. I think
you should test all parts of the DNA to see if
there's anything fucked up. Right. I'd rather
just know. It's not like, like if he had Down
syndrome or whatever, it's just like, I would
want to know ahead of time. Sure. Prepare, you
know? Anyway. Anyway. Nothing that exciting this
week, hopefully. It stays that way. Honestly,
I don't want anything exciting to happen. I think
a boring pregnancy is probably like the ideal
scenario, right? Yeah. Well. Thoughts and prayers
for a boring pregnancy. Yeah, seriously. We'll
see how he likes Cajun food next week. I'm so
excited. So that being said, we are recording
two episodes this week. So we'll see how we'll
see how we start to act in the second episode,
because I feel like that's where we're going
to start to get a little delusional. Yeah, I'm
going to be like running on fumes. So Emma's
traveling next week, so I'm going to have to
edit in her pregnancy update to next week's episode.
But that means next week I'm going to have time
to do a Let's Research Mama, which I'm very excited
about. I think we should get into wind. You want
to do wind? I want to do wind. I would really
like to have a grasp on wind. We can do wind.
I think. A concept. This doesn't have to be in
the actual pod, but a concept would be you do
a let's research and then try to explain it to
me and then vice versa. OK. You know what I mean?
So like next time I would do want to try to explain
it to you from my research. OK. Knowing that
we both didn't understand it to start. I love
that. Yeah, I think we should do that. OK. I
will delete my idea for Let's Research Mama next
week. Oh, I didn't see what I just saw. I will
have time for one. Do you not have the second
bullet there? Oh, I can't read. I do want to
talk about Jen Shaw, but that's like a whole
other thing, because like. wind is something
we don't understand we need to research to talk
about it in any way shape or form but jen shaw
i understand i just would like to know all the
tea oh yeah that's like the deep dive i was gonna
go down let's do that okay whatever you want
okay but um yeah so i was gonna post a poll to
see which one people were into because i want
to do both eventually but um yeah i want to do
Either the deep dive on like the Jen saw Jen
Shaw saga or like all of the real housewives
that have had run into with the law. Like and
I just like want to do a deep dive on that. Yeah.
Post a poll. I think I would vote for all of
them because Jen Shaw can just be like a part
of that. Yeah. I feel like scamming old people
isn't necessarily that exciting. Oh, have you
seen the documentary about it? No, because it
is exciting. Why is there a documentary about
Jen Shah? Don't they know how that will blow
her head up? Oh, my God. Oh, she was mad about
the documentary. So this is a couple of things.
This documentary released the week before I think
her trial was set to actually start. And I feel
like this is probably why she ended up going
to plead guilty. But the. like all she said was
it turned me in it made me out to be this horrific
monster of a person and like it didn't really
focus a lot on like the other co -conspirators
and the yeah thing so i do get why she was like
why is it just me but i'm at the same time i'm
like mama you were leading the whole song and
dance i know it's like i understand she probably
didn't do a lot of the work but it's like she's
the figurehead it's like blaming the queen of
england for political issues in england like
that's kind of what she's there for sorry well
that and like you were also probably the most
horrific about it and like it was probably your
idea truth be told yeah but alex said he wants
to come on for it because he doesn't know anything
about Any of the Real Housewives. And he's like,
does it make it better if I don't know who Jen
Shaw is? And I was like, a little bit. Kind of,
yeah. I would love an attorney's two cents on
all of the issues. I would too. Including Jen
Shaw, for sure. So I wanted to share a fun story
that I heard last week. And it's chaotic as hell.
So just buckle up. There was a fire. in butler
tarkington area last week i think somewhere yeah
somewhere on the north side there was a house
fire i have heard about so many house fires recently
what is happening that everything is burning
down well let me tell you i know one of them
okay so um the one of the ladies that works at
my doctor's office it like lives in this neighborhood
across the street from where one of these house
fires was and Nancy was at home and she was just
living her life and she noticed smoke and she
said, I'm going to call the fire department because
something feels off about this much smoke. And
then she runs over to a burning house and says,
how how do we how do we navigate this situation?
So I guess what happened was the mom, there's
a mom, a dad and two daughters. The mom left
to go. go to the grocery store while a smoker
was running yeah and you know my dad's obsessed
with a smoker so I am familiar I'm surprised
it caused a fire though I'm not at all familiar
I didn't know like I didn't know they could start
fires I thought it was just smoke well well that's
my thing that's why I'm surprised it started
a fire because um they run at like very low temperatures
compared to like a grill or a stove or something
like that see that's what i always thought yeah
they do it's a much lower temperature than maybe
it was just too close to the house i don't know
i mean it gets hot you can't touch it the how
of the fire is the least chaotic piece of this
story though so nancy sees the smoke and she's
like let me let me go over let me just make sure
everything's okay she goes into the house she
is She opens the door and she goes in and there's
like a full blown fire burning, like I guess
like inside, like on the other side of the wall
from where the smoker was like the smoke. The
fire has like reached the inside. She's like
rampaging to the house because she's freaking
out. She's like, I have to get I assume the daughter's
out of the house. So she like slams open one
of the doors. There's a daughter who's deaf in
one ear. Has has an air pod in the other ear.
And you might say to yourself, couldn't she?
Couldn't she smell the smoke? A fun fact. She
has long COVID. She did not smell the smoke because
the long COVID has impacted her sense of smell.
The other daughter was sleeping in the bed, taking
a nap. Can I tell you, I think that would be
how if I couldn't smell or taste anything. That
would be absolutely horrible. Because I remember
having COVID and not being able to smell or taste.
And it really does throw you off. Like, majorly.
I guess I don't know what I would do with that.
Because, like, what else do you have in life?
I would get so skinny. Right. Truly. Anyway.
So the other daughter was asleep in the bed.
Because she needed a nap on this good day. So
Nancy's on the phone with the mom being like,
you have to get home. There's a fire raging in
your house. And I guess the mom comes home and
they're like the fire department shows up. They
do their thing. And then Nancy's like, here,
let me call the dad because the dad was at work.
Yeah. The dad is on his way home. She's on the
phone with him and she's like, you need to get
home now because your house is like going up
in flames. And the dad gets home, parks his car
in the driveway, gets out of the car and decides,
I'm going to pull attention from this situation.
Has a heart attack in the front yard of this
house. And this is the second time that day that
Nancy had to call 911 to this home. Yeah. Long
time no talk. And so the. At this point, the
fire has been like put out. And I guess the fire
inspector is doing like whatever a fire inspector
does and like is checking the house. Yeah. This
is the moment where people find out, oh, you
must have at least one homeowner present while
the fire inspector is doing his thing. So the
mom couldn't go to a hospital with the dad. So
he's just in the emergency room. I don't know
where the daughters are at this point. And then
the fire inspector like finishes what he's doing.
And then as he's like walking out of the house
and as the firefighters are leaving, the roof
literally fucking collapses on their heads. I
mean, listen, with a fire like that's not that
surprising because you have to have supports
up. And if those supports were ashes. Sure. Like
that makes sense. Sure. Nancy, the American hero,
says, come on, let's go over to my house. Let's
let's figure out what to do next. And the mom
looks at Nancy. I don't know where the daughters
are at this point, but the mom looks at Nancy
and goes, Nance, could you be a dear and get
me a drink? I really I need a drink. Like, honestly,
yeah. Go to the hospital with your husband who
had a heart attack. I don't. if she could even
remember at that point that her husband had a
heart attack I mean you're not wrong like oh
my god but Nancy proceeds to make a an old -fashioned
with smoked bourbon because that felt like the
right thing to do in that moment and what I do
know is you know I'm not like I don't subscribe
to a lot of like ghosts or like spooky stuff
or whatever. But like, I do believe they need
to call an Etsy witch, a shaman, a priest, something.
They have got to at least sage that house. Get,
get the demons out. There is a demon living on
that property that did not want them to carry
on. That is so insane. Yeah. That's so crazy.
Thank God for Nancy. She has so much good karma
coming her way. She's about to have the best
year of her life. Like, can you imagine like,
so you're, like rampaging through this house
and like you're trying to like hold your shit
together and then you look over and you're like
how can all of this go wrong one thing after
another I would feel like I'm the problem like
I'm going crazy this is actually not happening
like pinch me I'm dreaming right situation like
and it's I it's I feel okay talking about it
with some level of levity because everyone in
this scenario is okay right now yeah But can
you imagine like. No, because like with my neighbors,
I try to just mind my own business. So I can't
imagine being that far up their business because
shit just keeps happening all day. Oh, my God.
You're like, yeah, I guess let me get you a drink.
Hang on. Yeah, I guess. Oh, my God. Do you want
to ride to the hospital? Oh, my God. Oh, Lord.
um well i guess one person was hurt and it was
the guy who had a heart attack but sounds like
he's okay well in the article it doesn't it doesn't
even acknowledge that it was because of a heart
attack it said he was injured in the fire which
maybe the heart attack was a byproduct of the
fire i feel like maybe they didn't know the full
story and just like saw that someone was taken
to the hospital and like assumed it was because
of the fire Oh, maybe. That happens a lot with,
like, big disasters. People just assume, like,
anyone in the vicinity who got hurt was hurt
because of that. I don't know. That's crazy.
Also, like, what a juicy news story. I bet the
reporter who got their hands on that was like,
yes, Nancy, tell me what happened next. Well,
but that's the thing. Nancy didn't even want
to talk to the news as I'm sitting here, like,
posting her business all over the internet. Oh,
my God. But she was like, no, I don't want the
attention. I was like, I'm going to call. channel
13 and be like i have a story about an american
hero for you i would be walking around in a wonder
woman costume yeah like what do you mean oh my
god do you have anything to complain about so
much what what are you complaining about today
let me ruminate on it how about you complain
first i i have i have one that i don't know where
to put this anger So there's a lot of racism
surrounding Carnival Cruises right now that I've
seen on TikTok. Racism? Yes, where people like
so Carnival Cruises has the entire vibe of being
the fun ship, right? Like and. I've seen like
comments on TikToks where it's like Section 8
Cruises or. The Nissan Altima of cruises, or
I didn't know you could pay for a cruise with
EBT, like just the most horrific, disgusting
language around. I mean, they are the cheapest
cruise line. Whatever. I don't care. Like, I
don't care. But the part that bothers me is like,
why are we making it about that when you see
like a bunch of men and women of color out next
to the pool? Having a good time dancing like
that. I didn't know the context. I thought they
were making a video saying Carnival Cruises,
you know, are the Walmart version of a real cruise.
They are saying that. But because of the clientele
that is portrayed, by the way, I've been on what,
five or six cruises in my life. Half of them
have been on Carnival Cruises. I love Carnival
Cruises. And like. the thing that bothers me
is like why are we gonna make it about that why
why does it have to be about like why does it
have to become such an ugly ugly ugly thing that
we're doing to people that are just having a
good time because like you wouldn't do this if
you were out at a bonfire singing like Brian
fuck you and that is super weird I will say I
don't know if you saw but like the train wreck
series on Netflix dropped a documentary about
the poop cruise so like carnival's pr is not
great right now but let me just say if you're
going on a cruise at all even on carnival you
are spending thousands of dollars on a vacation
like there's no reason to call these people broke
first of all well that and like i also i want
you to know that if i'm on a carnival cruise
and I am out there in the middle of the ocean
with an unlimited buffet and the unlimited drink
package. They took away the unlimited drinks,
too. I think that's where a lot of the hate is
coming from, too, is they just took that away.
They just changed that policy because people
were getting throttled. Well, we'll revisit that.
But if I am surrounded by people that are just
having a good time and that's what's happening,
just know that's exactly where I want to be.
And fuck you for making it racist. Yeah. I hate
that they're being racist about it. It's gross.
I do understand hate towards Carnival Cruise
Lines, but not because of their clientele. I
can see some of the hate towards Carnival because
I will say that... The way that they conduct
business is not ideal in that they've covered
up a lot of activity on the boats for like from
some of their staff. They have they have mishandled
a ton of situations. So I don't agree with like
this. This is bad. Yes, it's really bad. We got
the poop cruise documentary. We got them taking
away unlimited drinks because people are getting
too drunk. We got. All of that happening. So
I feel like that's just feeding into it. So there's
that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's so many ways
to hate on Carnival Cruise Lines that has nothing
to do with being racist towards their staff.
Yeah. On a lighter note, did you see that kid
who was singing? Keith Sweat. No, we talked about
her. But obviously there's this little boy. He's
probably like early 20s. He's not a teenager.
He was singing Keith Sweat on a cruise. I think
it was a carnival cruise. And he went viral like
multiple times for doing it because it was so
funny and cute. Good for him. Honestly, good
for him. I think his name was Tyler. Yeah. Anyway.
I'm not going to complain about anything today
because I've had a long Fourth of July weekend.
And I really can't think about anything else
to complain about. But I'm not going to expose
myself like that. Fair enough. Reality Roundup
is going to be a long one today because we have
three episodes of Secret Lives to cover. And
then also Real Housewives of Orange County is
coming back this week. It comes back. tomorrow
I think as of the day of this recording um and
I just want to say I'm really excited because
Katie Janelle is back this season and I didn't
know for sure at the end of last season if she
was going to be back because some of the girls
didn't love her and oh I've never watched Orange
County I mean I have but like in passing I don't
know who anyone is so Orange County is the hardest
to watch for me. And it's I think it's getting
better because they've moved away from this idea
of like. It's and it's it's similar to what New
York had to do to where they've moved away from
this like whole I'm the OG thing, because I think
that becomes very, very toxic very quickly. Like
you had Ramona Singer and Sonia Morgan and Luann
Deliseps on New York who people just. could not
be around anymore, got so bad. And then it was
the same way with Vicki Gunvalson on OC. And
now that they've kind of reshaped the cast a
little bit, I think it's becoming more watchable.
But Katie was probably one of my favorite people
on the show last year. And some of the girls
didn't like her because I think she was a little
too honest for some people's liking, which I
really appreciated. But my favorite thing about
her is that she follows me on TikTok. Oh, hi,
Katie. Because I commented one time and said,
or on someone's video, I don't remember whose
it was, but I was like, I want to be friends
with Katie Janela so bad because they were like,
it was a clip about her. And she literally said,
well, let's be friends. And then immediately
followed me. And I was like, what a cool girl.
She is a very cool girl. She's just so fucking
cool. Appealing to the masses. Yeah. And I do
need to catch up on Salt Lake City so that we
can talk about season six and I'll know what's
up and down. Well, so they they've started to
talk. They've started to do a little bit of promo
for it. So I feel like it's coming back in September
just based on like how they've done in previous
years. Well, it has to come on like late this
year. I would assume. I hope so. I. Can't wait.
I'm so excited. I want to be back. Whitney Rose
does say something to the effect of like, it's
a very weird season. Like, I don't know what
to do with that, but I'm kind of excited. Yeah.
Hmm. Yeah. OK. Cool. Period. Are you ready to
jump into the secret lives of Mormon wives? Yes.
OK. Episode six, the Book of Redemption. Yeah,
this is the one that really, like, got me to
feel for Jen. Okay, I will give you that because
at the beginning of this episode, Whitney and
Jen are supposed to ride to the airport together.
Jen's not picking up the phone. And so Whitney
goes to Jen's house and she's like, what's going
on? And Jen answers the door like she had just
gotten out of bed. That's the thing, like. That
really got me. I feel like you can see it in
her face, in her eyes, in her body that she's
depressed. Like she needs actual help and assistance.
Like she's not doing well. Right. So Whitney
goes in and she's like, and what I do appreciate
about Whitney is that she's a friend like. like
i am like you are like some of the other people
we know where it's just like i'm gonna force
my way into this house and you're going to deal
with me being here for a minute because i am
worried about you yeah like i need i need to
know if you're like okay right yeah whitney goes
in and she's the house is a mess house is a wreck
she's talking through like hey okay so like what's
going on and then like jen opens up a little
bit whitney's This is where I started to turn
for Whitney, where I was just like, oh, you're
an incredible friend. This is her shiniest moment,
I will say. Yeah, I agree. I ended the whole
season on being like, I don't really care about
Whitney one way or another, but this was a good
moment for her. 100%. Someone needed to show
up for Jen, for sure. She even goes as far as
to start cleaning up the house. And I was like,
how? That's really fucking sweet. Well, yeah,
she's like cleaning up the cereal bowl. And I
also feel like poor Jen. I know. I know that
she's like a liar and whatever, but like. But
two things can be true at the same time. She
says like, oh, yeah, that bowl of cereal is there
because that's the only thing I can eat, which
tells me she's also. throwing up she has morning
sickness she's not feeling well pregnancy oh
i didn't even think about that yeah so like on
top of not being mentally okay she's physically
not okay right and like i've seen sorry now i've
seen so many videos and pictures of her just
like in the bed like i think she spent a lot
of her time in this season of life in her bed
sure and like I've seen pictures of like her
kids visiting her in her bed because like she
can't even get up, which is sad. I don't know.
I feel for her. I feel I don't want anyone to
be depressed. Yeah. That for me, though, doesn't
change every other one of her actions. And so
I like that's where I can say two things can
be true at the same time where I want. you to
be okay I also don't want you to lie to yourself
your husband and the rest of the world I would
love if two of those things could happen together
yeah I will say I think when you're depressed
and like just not doing well yourself it's hard
to like take accountability for things and be
like oh well this part of my life is also fucked
up sorry you know and I know that like Intuitively,
we know that like that would make it easier on
her if she would just go apologize because then
relationships would be mended. Oh, sure. Like
when you're in it, it's so hard to see that,
you know. I agree. The girls get to Scott's jail
and these girls love a party bus. I feel like
that's also they went to the school of Real Housewives
for that. So. Something that I did find out is
that I guess Hulu took or poached a bunch of
producers from Bravo and like there was like
a mass exodus. That's where you got Vanderpump
Villa. That's where you got. some other reality
show. And that's where you got the Secret Lives
of Mormon Wives. Like it is a shot for shot,
almost remake of the format of Real Housewives.
Yeah, because that felt very Real Housewives
to me. I don't feel like any of them had ever
been in a party bus before. No, no, no, no. Whitney
tries to get on the stripper pole, but apparently
her cut's not healed yet. Yeah, yeah. And I didn't.
So one of the girls was like, oh, no, no, no,
you're inside. Your inside's not healed yet.
And I was like, what? Yeah. No. So, okay. Six
weeks after you have a baby is the first time
you can exercise. Okay. Or have sex or anything
like you are not to do shit for six whole weeks.
But even after that, there's still healing to
be done. They say your body is not fully healed
from having a baby for three years. That's fucking
wild. But like. A lot of shit happens like your
abs. Don't they like separate? Yeah. Yeah. And
that takes time to come back together. Sometimes
they never come back together. It's a whole thing.
But yeah, they say like you can you can be healing
for like three years. And even after you're like
cleared after six weeks, I feel like, yeah, you
probably shouldn't be on the pole. Probably not.
They get to the house. Macy's 100 percent being
sponsored by Poppy. Like that's that's the most
evident marketing. I've ever seen in my life.
Get your bag, queen. What I do appreciate about
these girls is the way that they go about selecting
rooms because not one of them has an ego about
it. They're like, I'll sleep here. I'll sleep
in the bunk bed. I don't care. Like, whatever.
They're all very chill. There is no I've never
seen any real housewife be chill about their
room. Oh, anything. I've. I've only ever, it's
only ever bothered me on New York where Ramona
Singer will chase people through a house being
like, no, I want this room. I want this room.
I want this room. Oh, it bothered me on Potomac
too. That's like, they would talk about it for
days with what room they're in. Let me just tell
you, if I've got a bed, I don't know that I care.
I will sleep on the couch. I really don't give
a shit. Yeah. But like. Bravo is paying for my
vacation. Hello. Right. But these girls were
very cool about it. So that was fine. They go
downstairs for dinner. The dinner looked really,
really, really good. Oh my God, didn't it? Yes.
Like it looks so good. Yeah. And this is where
Whitney's a little bit desperate. And she leads
a prayer with the group. And she says, Dear Heavenly
Father, thank you for bringing the. mom talk
family together and everyone looks at her and
i'm like you know what you're doing like stop
like just like if you just if you you're on the
show right you're ostensibly part of mom talk
like you you you know a couple of the girls in
this group really really hate you maybe stop
pushing it and maybe it just stops being an issue
It gets so much worse. It only gets worse. I
know. Yeah. You've watched it, but like, yeah,
she is kissing feet and kissing ass for sure.
And I just don't understand. I don't understand.
It wouldn't be an issue if you didn't make it
an issue. Right. But on the other side of that,
Michaela is such a rotten cunt about. Yeah, I
don't know why she thinks like the meaner I am,
the less likely it'll be for Whitney to stay.
I don't understand. I don't even think she cares
about like her meanness pushing Whitney. I think
she really is just like, I'm just going to be
mean to her. I am only here to be mean to her.
Well, I think that she thinks if she's mean to
her, it'll get her out of mom talk. And it's
like, clearly that's not working. Obviously.
They're having dinner and then Jesse's first
instinct is to run to get the truth box. They
love a truth box. I really need them to stop.
If you have shit to get off your chest, just
say it, sister. Oh, my God. Well, it's that and
it's like has to be fair. This one does go better
than like the rest of them. But I'm like, has
this ever worked out in your favor? well it's
like i just don't understand why like they just
love this anonymous confession thing and it's
like just say it with your chest i oh anyway
i don't know um a question comes up about the
size of jordan's dick oh i could have done without
this like the this is and this is something i'm
going to say about everything and everyone I
don't care how big your partner's dick is. It's
truly, I could not care less. I hope you're happy
with it. I don't care if it's a micro penis.
I don't care if it is the size of my leg. I mean,
to be fair, she didn't bring it up. Someone else
brought it up. She had a picture waiting with
a ruler next to it. Well, I think it had been
like a common joke. Like people have been saying
it for some time. Yeah. And so she like had it
locked and loaded and ready. Right. But like,
why are you guys so obsessed with this weird
man's dick? I don't understand that either. I
agree. And I'm just like, maybe if you just.
I don't know. And like, I get some of it's for
the show, but like. Ew. I could have done without
that. They give very like middle school, high
school girls who are like giggly and obsessed
with the novelty of sex. And I'm like, I wish
you guys would grow up. Yes, I agree. But I will
say with Jesse and I know that we have. done
nothing but be obsessed with jesse i do on some
level appreciate she was like no fuck you it's
not it's not small yeah i didn't i didn't need
the whole song and dance yeah maybe that was
a step too far i just think both sides should
shut up it's yeah um then the sinner sunday confession
comes up about um brett allegedly hooking up
with someone else while demi was out of town
and i have a theory about this Jimmy started
a burner account to submit that center Sunday
confession. And that's how she got a storyline
this season. I believe that because I don't know
that there's anything else going on like for
her, except for hating Taylor. And maybe this
cheating scandal happened. I don't know. I mean,
I don't know. I do feel like she's desperate
for a storyline, but. And she's so egotistical
that I don't see her like throwing herself under
the bus for it. Oh, I think she would cut her
nose off to spite her face anytime. Really? 100%.
I don't see that for her. I think she's too narcissistic.
Maybe. But I don't know. And then we hear about
Demi basically being willing to throw or Jesse
off the show for more money. Exhibit A. Right.
And then she gets a confessional about the situation
where she talks about Jesse having the whole
hair empire, which means she has money. And I
was like, oh, you're that girl. You don't want
anyone else to have anything. And if someone
has more than you, it's you're not OK with it.
You're that girl. Oh, 100 percent. That is Demi.
It only gets worse. She is such a snake bitch.
Oh my God. I could not believe my ears. Just
because Jesse has money does not mean she's not
entitled to the income she should receive from
being on the show or being in MomTalk or whatever.
You are jealous and you are weird. And by the
way, I don't give a fuck how much money anyone
has. I don't care. I don't care at all. And it
bothers me that you think it's selfish that Jesse's
on the show and she's also like independently
wealthy of the show. And you think that she's
taking too much of the pie like that. That to
me really bothers me. And like if that bothers
you about Jesse. Why don't you look within and
see that like you want that for yourself and
start your own business outside of mom talk like
Jesse? I just don't understand that. And like
it's like going to a job and being like, well,
I should make more money because I come from
nothing. And she has family money like she's
a trust fund baby. I know we're doing the same
job, but she should make less. That's the equivalent
of what she's doing. And that is fucking weird.
Right. And this is where I started to turn. Well,
actually, I think this is where I fully turned
on Demi. Like, this is where I immediately stopped
liking her because I was just like, oh, you are
not a good person. She's a snake. Yes. Next morning,
girls go to breakfast and Whitney tries to talk
to Macy about saying that she doesn't I guess
she doesn't regret going or not going to the
baby mama launch. Because she wouldn't have known
how to fix it had she not taken made that choice.
The logic that I understand what she was trying
to say. I do, too. But I think she just missed
the crucial part of saying that she's sorry.
Just say you fucked up. It's OK. Like, it's OK.
But she's like dying on this hill of I didn't
fuck up. I was looking out for myself, blah,
blah, blah. But you're missing the point of like.
you looked out for yourself to the point of not
showing up for your friends. Right. You could
have shown up and not talk to a soul except for
Macy. Sure. And I also think it's weird of you
to bring this up. The morning Macy is like hosting
this big pickleball tournament and just wants
like good vibes. Oh, I didn't even think about
that. I think Macy was just, or I'm sorry. I
think Whitney was just like, I have to go say
something now. And like, I, it, It was bad timing,
100%. But like, I think that she didn't even
think about. Which also is problematic. That
is a common theme with her, though. She does
not think of anyone except for Whitney. I agree.
It's like, girl, you're doing what you're apologizing
in air quotes for again right now. You're taking
her moment and you're making it about you. Right.
Oh, sorry. So they kind of just agree to disagree
and like move on. And Macy's an angel. She can't
hold a grudge. Macy can do no wrong. She's so
perfect. I love her. I feel like. Michaela is
really going out of her way to be just hateful,
as hateful as the day is long to Whitney. And
I get frustrated. I sit, wait. No, because Whitney
like slams her hands on the table. Oh, because
she's like, let's fucking talk about it. Okay.
Yeah. Okay. So I see why Whitney got to that
point. I think that's what Michaela is trying
to do. Michaela is gaslighting Whitney. Michaela
is trying to provoke her. So she can say, look,
this is the girl we know. This is the girl we
know. Exactly. A hundred percent. That is what
Michaela has been trying to do this whole time.
Right. Because if Whitney starts spiraling and
crashing out, she can be like, see. She doesn't
belong here. Right. She's she's too volatile
for the. OK, so dear listener, what you just
listen to is like a fragmented chain of thought.
So Whitney starts slamming her hands on the table
because like the girls are like, we all have
a problem with you. We have or Michaela is like,
we all have a problem with you. And then that's
when Whitney's just like, well, let's bring it
out. And then that's how we get to this point
of I'm pushing you to this point. I don't know
if it's fully on purpose, but I think she's not.
She's not mad about it getting there. Oh, I do.
I think that's why she's been so mean to her.
I think she's saying the most hateful things
she can think of to Whitney at every turn to
try to provoke her into crashing out. Maybe.
Because she wants to point the finger at Whitney
and be like, banish her. Okay. I don't know that
that's the truth. I just feel like from watching
that that's the vibe I get from Michaela. Right.
This entire time, did you ever say to yourself,
where's Taylor? No, I knew she wasn't going to
go. I thought they talked about it. No, she was
in the bed. She was asleep in the bed. And she's
like, I heard. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She's like, I
was in the bed. I have three children. I wanted
some sleep. I never get a chance to sleep. So
I slept in. That is so fucking funny. I thought
that was so kind. Can you imagine? So like a
camera crew shows up early in the morning and
like everyone's getting at least a little bit
like ready, awoken to like be on camera. And
you're just like, no, go back to sleep. I love
that. I want to hear the story of the cameraman.
And the producer that were assigned to Taylor
that day, because the Real Housewives have talked
a lot about this. We're like when when a scene
is starting, there's there's lighting. There's
like a whole thing. There's there's camera. There's
a sound guy. I know they didn't have to Mike
Taylor for this, obviously. But like, I want
to know what the I assume production assistant
and the cameraman were just like standing there
being like, did we wake her up? Like in my mind's
eye, I like to picture her just being like, no,
I'm going back to sleep. I like to imagine her
being like, you guys can hang out. I'm going
to be here. Whatever you want. Unconscious. Yeah.
I think that that is beautiful. And as someone
who's had a baby. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. What's
the point of a vacation if you still can't fucking
sleep? I agree. We go back to Jen's house in
Utah where she's depressed as fuck and she's
in the bed and it does not like it does not look
like she's been out of the bed for days and it
does not look like she's getting out of bed anytime
soon. I look up props to Zach because you can't
do that without someone supporting you, taking
care of the kids. Right. I think that I'd be
worried about how Zach is like being a dad in
that scenario. But I also think like, you know
what? whatever we need to do i guess he's their
dad regardless so like yeah he'll figure it out
to do but yeah um it is sad it is really sad
and then that's where we find out that production
decided to stop filming with jen because I think
they sensed that it was really that bad. Yeah,
and, like, what is there to film? You have a
depressed pregnant lady who is taken to the bed.
She is taken to the bed. And, like, even if she
did get up and, like, did you think, like, you
don't want this depressing storyline also of,
like, a pregnant lady who's trying to pick herself
back up. Like, that's not. Right. You don't need
to film that. No. You know. I agree. So we get
to Macy's pickleball. pickleball tournament and
celebrity is a term we're using loosely for yeah
for the hosts because i forgot who joey fatone
was yeah i couldn't the part that got me is that
i couldn't pin him when i saw him initially because
he's gotten so old i if you wouldn't have put
up the chiron of his name i Done to my head.
I had no idea. I couldn't even pin him. But,
I mean, maybe for a pickleball tournament. I
don't know. That's a celebrity. It's not like
an F1 race or something. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I
do think. It was cute. It was cute. And I do
what I think it was really cool that the girls
all showed up and they were they were very excited
to support her. Yeah, I think that was really,
really cool. And like, I think Macy probably
had a really good time. I think she was probably
she deserved that to have eyes on her and like
do her little thing. Absolutely. It was cute.
The girls go to dinner and. And then Whitney
decides her strategy to deflect the hate for
her is to bring up the Demi trying to get Jesse
fired situation. And she literally says, I want
the tea. I want the deeds. Like, let's get some
of the heat off of me. Yeah. She's like, so I
heard a little inkling last night. Can someone
tell me the full story there? Yeah. And don't
bring me into it. Demi says that it's not a shock
that she was the fan favorite. And I feel like
I need to go back and watch season one because
I don't remember Demi from season one. I think
she made that up. I don't think there was a poll
and she won. I think she made that up for herself.
I think she saw so many tweets of like, oh, I
love Demi. She's so pretty. And like decided,
declared herself. the fan favorite can i be honest
about something lost me in that moment oh 100
the best part about demi is her hot husband yeah
i think she's hot too okay no i wish she would
just like sit there and shut up she's i don't
find her to be interesting i don't find her to
be enjoyable to watch i haven't seen her be like
a kind caring friend no You know, even when she's
with Jesse, like her best friend on the show.
No, because she tried to get her kicked off the
fucking show. She doesn't give a fuck about Jesse.
Are you kidding? But I'm like, that's the person
she's closest to on the show. And I've still
never seen her just be like genuinely nice and
caring to her. Well, this comes out later that.
yeah apparently jesse and demi have only been
friends for like a year or two yeah they didn't
even know each other like that so i have a feeling
that demi might be one of these girls and we
know some a couple of people like this where
you become friends with them and then they they're
like you're my best friend and you've known them
for like 17 minutes and yeah i think that's who
we're dealing with here but i just Oh, I don't
like her anyway. And then Taylor says, hang on
a minute. The show exists because of me. And
I love that they break the fourth wall here.
Like, I think that's really amazing. Layla starts
to jump in to defend Demi because why not? And
Taylor's just like, you can defend her when I'm
done talking. And I. I love Taylor when she's
like, I'm going to set a boundary and you're
not going to walk over me. Yeah, because I feel
like she's been good about that this season,
especially about like she's not taking all of
the claims. She's not like making everything
about herself. But in this moment, Demi crossed
the line and she's like, OK, hold up. Wait. Yeah.
None of you would be here if I did not gather
you here. Right. Like. And I'm glad she stood
on that. That and like and I do believe this
about Taylor is that she's not the girl that's
like, I have to have all the brand deals. I have
to have X, Y and Z. Like, I do believe Taylor
is who she says she is, where she's like, I just
like. I've got a lot going on. And I do feel
like she's happy for the other girls when they
do get opportunities and do cool things. Demi,
on the other hand, not happy for fucking anyone,
including Taylor, who is the one who got her
there. I agree. But the long and short of it
is Demi is just a bad friend. And she basically
says that Jesse isn't as valuable to the show
as the other girls. And Macy starts to recognize
that Demi is an asshole. Yeah. You have Angel.
Macy being like, yeah, I don't think she's a
good person. Macy, by the way, who's willing
to forgive Whitney for being rotten as fuck.
Yeah. She can find the silver lining in just
about anyone. Like, come on. I think she wants
to. I don't think she wants to be like on a hate
train towards anyone. But Demi was so bad and
problematic that even Macy is like, oh, no. Right.
the girls go out to a club to dance but not drink
and i sure whatever i feel like i i get it you're
mormon i get it i i don't need to hear about
how you don't drink all the time i don't care
i don't care if anyone drinks on the show but
you you hear it though when they're like we don't
drink and it's like the virgin mocktails and
it's like this and i'm like i don't care like
it it feels like you're telling it so like It
would be like me putting on that show so my granny
thinks I don't drink. Right. That's what it feels
like to me. Who are you proving it to? Are you
worried your family is going to see you went
to a club and assumed you drank? If you don't
drink, you don't drink. Who gives a fuck? You
don't need to keep saying it. Right. I do, however,
feel like I could have fun at a club with Whitney
and Macy. They do look... Whitney looks like...
She does let it all go. She'll dance. She'll
have fun. I think she's fun. I do think they
had a good old time. They get home and they go
to skinny dip in the hot tub. Brett gets on the
phone with Demi and I was like, ooh, maybe I
don't like Brett as much as I thought I did because
he was like, you're not going to be skinny dipping
like this, that, and the other. And Miranda,
I appreciate, was like, oh yeah, I skinny dip
before. I skinny dip all the time. I don't care
if my pussy's out. I fucking love her and I love
her so much. It was weird because I did feel
like Demi would have gone skinny dipping if not
for Brett. But I also understand like having
a boundary in your relationship of like, OK,
you're on this show and like you share your whole
life. Can you just not be naked? I can get that.
I felt like she knew she needed to ask permission
of him, though, and that's why she called him.
Yeah. Yeah, I have a feeling that's how most
of their relationship goes. But I don't know.
Yeah, I had the benefit of the doubt where I
was like, maybe it's not a permission thing.
Maybe it's just a like. Almost like damage control,
but I don't even mean it like that. It's like
if you think your partner might be upset about
something and so you call them just to get their
maybe two cents on it. I don't know. I don't
know. But yeah, it did give very weird vibes.
Especially with how the other girls took it.
Because they were all like, oh, you're not going
to go because of your husband? Hmm. So I wonder
if there's something we're not seeing. Maybe.
Between them, too. Yeah. I also feel like getting
in the pool with your tits out is not skinny
dipping. It's not. What they did was not skinny
dipping. They were all wearing underwear. Right.
There was nothing blurred out. Well, their boobs.
Yeah. But I was like, you've never been skinny
dipping if you think that this is skinny dipping.
Right. I 100 % buy it. Miranda's been skinny
dipping. I do know that about her to be the truth.
I think she probably thought it was silly goofy.
They were all keeping their underwear on. I think
she said, oh, OK, if you guys are not taking
your pussies out, I guess I won't. OK. So maybe
at one point production was like, hey, no holes.
Maybe. I don't know. So we get to episode seven,
the book of gratitude. So last day in Scottsdale,
the girls are doing tick tocks and we find out
Layla's planning a Friendsgiving, but she doesn't
know who she's inviting. And Whitney asks if
she's officially back in mom talks. So the girls
vote Whitney and Taylor vote. Yes. Demi, Michaela
and Macy vote no or at least not yet. Can I tell
you? Please. It is my absolute nightmare for
my group of friends to take a vote on if I can
be in our group of friends. That is nightmare
fuel. And I would rather fucking die. OK, so
this is one of the point five percent of times
where you and I don't agree, because the way
that I would love it, I feel like I love the
drama. I love the mess. Like, I love it. But
but but but but. I also don't feel like I would
ever let a train wreck of a friendship in a group
get to the point where my friends feel like they
have to vote me in or out. Yeah, I I just had
a hard time with that. I live to be accepted.
I don't want to know. I mean. That's not even
true. I want to know people's bad opinions of
me. I don't want to know if you think that I
should be included in something or not. Right.
Just tell me, like, just tell me you don't want
me there. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I also thought
it was weird of Demi a little bit to vote no,
especially after she was just done crashing out.
And it's like, Demi, come on. I do like that
Macy like I felt like Macy was just standing
with Michaela and voting not yet because she
hadn't seen that growth from Whitney, especially
after Whitney did a non apology for the baby
mama thing the day before. I think if that conversation
had gone differently, Macy would be like, I'm
all in. Yeah. But I mean, yeah, it's icky. It
was icky. The girls go back home and Jesse goes
over to Demi's house. I didn't pay a bit of attention
to this scene. Like, whatever. They didn't like
air anything out. Jesse was just like, yeah,
we've talked about this already. Yeah. And I
was just like, yeah, OK. I disassociated the
whole time. I didn't like it one bit because
I wish. Jesse would have taken that opportunity
to be like hey what the fuck by the way right
right right but apparently they had already like
talked about it in between seasons one and two
and like she didn't want to rehash mama is reality
tv that's the name of the game you must rehash
you must let the world see your problems yeah
um taylor goes over to dakota's airbnb with that
fucking go -yard bag she loves that go -yard
bag yeah also why are all these people living
in airbnbs you've got jen living in airbnb you've
got dakota like who else is living in an airbnb
right now i don't know i don't know if that's
like they're how they're renting maybe i don't
know it all seems strange i feel like you would
have to pay out the nose I also wonder if like
maybe they live somewhere else and they're renting
an Airbnb to film. Maybe because they do do that
on The Real Housewives 2. Yeah. Yeah. Dakota
doesn't have baby wipes. You talked about this
before. I have a real issue with dads acting
in ways moms never would. Well, Taylor also didn't
have baby wipes in that moment, so. Well, like,
she was dropping her kid off. So, like, you shouldn't
have to bring the essentials with you. I feel
like if you're going to have a co -parenting
relationship, listen, I'm not in their relationship,
so I can't say, but I feel like if I were in
a co -parenting relationship, the only things
that have to move back and forth are like the
toys and blankets and whatever that your kid
is obsessed with and needs every single day.
I don't, I feel like both parents should have
diapers, wipes, food, clothes, all of those things.
On deck at their house at all times. I agree.
I just. That's fair. I mean, yeah, I don't know.
It just made me feel like, what are we doing?
That baby sat in shit for so long, too. That's
all I could see while I was watching it. I was
like, is someone going to step in here? Anyway,
moving on. We get to a scene with Demi and Layla.
I guess Layla and Cam got into a knockdown drag
out fight. So she's. flying solo flying solo
at friendsgiving yeah and i get that like she
doesn't want to do that because i'm also the
single guy at everything so like i get where
she's coming from with it like it's hard i get
that it's it's fine it's it's hard if you're
insecure about it well yeah and i feel like if
she were just like like you're fully single you
know what I mean but she just like had a falling
out that's fair with the guy she was seeing and
so you're like seeing all these happy couples
and knowing like you're having issues I think
that's hard too right and it's her event and
she was like I'm finally gonna you know be coupled
up and it's gonna be my event we're gonna kind
of host together well i think she's completely
valid in everything she's saying like i i won't
take any of that away from her and like i do
get like it's like i think for me it's like weddings
when i go to weddings and i'm just like oh god
like everyone else is here and it's about love
and like yeah yeah i get that it's fair um i
guess leila invited whitney to friendsgiving
but isn't sure about inviting jen which I don't
think it matters if you invite her. She's not
going to show up because she's in the bed. Yeah.
I mean, I don't think anyone, no one's entitled
to an olive branch, right? You don't have to
extend that if you don't want to. Right. And
then Demi says that she feels like Taylor is
triggered by her success. The biggest evidence
of projecting I've ever seen. Put it in the textbook.
Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up, Demi. You're
intimidated by Taylor. And so you have flipped
that into saying Taylor is intimidated by you.
Yes. That is so mentally ill of you. Yes. That's
insane. Like what you're saying is insane. Get
a grip, girl, because I see right through everything
you're saying. Right. But also, why do you need
someone to be triggered by your success? Why
can't everyone just be successful? Why can't
that be okay? I think she's one of those people
where she like doesn't realize that there's space
for everyone to do well and succeed. She feels
like there's a pot. And everything's being taken
out of it before she can grab. That's not what's
happening. Life is a zero sum game for her. Yes.
She feels like anything anyone else is getting
is something she didn't get. Exactly. And that
is such a toxic and juvenile way to think. I
agree. Michaela and Macy go to the car wash and
I could have fucking done without finding out
Michaela is. scared of the fucking car wash my
god my god what is that like whatever whatever
i don't want to chomp on people's my whole body
tenses up when people chew so like whatever no
no no no that's not the same thing that's not
the same thing i just are you Are you a child?
Are you Max? Like, are you my dog? Can you not
12 pound dog? Can you not. Listen to the man,
go, go, go right, go left, like whatever the
case may be. And then. Are you afraid you're
going to get stuck? I don't understand what you're
afraid of. Are you just doing this for attention,
Michaela? And then they start to talk about baking
and apparently. Baking is a huge part of Mormon
culture. And that's great. Michaela is going
to start baking sourdough only to be Whitney's
sourdough. And I was just like, I didn't I could
have gone without knowing that, too, because
that really, really screams you need to grow
the fuck up. She's just Whitney's living in your
head. Rent free, girl. Rent fucking free. So
then Demi and Brett go to the baking store. I
also could have done without that scene. I like
there was a lot about baking in this in this
episode. I could have done without all of it.
But I loved the end of it when the audio kept
recording. Oh, yeah. I totally forgot about that.
So. they like so they go and they buy like dick
sprinkles for cake i guess i don't fucking know
and they leave and then the cameras go down and
then brett just keeps saying you know i never
shoot on you like you know in a million years
and then demi we're talking about that in the
store demi brought up like oh the silly little
sinner sunday thing but it does feel like you're
a little bothered when i bring it up and i i
don't understand why you're bothered And it absolutely
happened. And then the camera stopped rolling.
The audio kept going. He was like, you know,
I never do that. Right. You know, I never cheat
on you. That is a guilty man. Okay. If you wouldn't
have ever done it. Right. Why didn't you tell
me? It's okay. We're cool. That's what I'm saying.
And I can kind of understand like. defending
your relationship to be like i really don't want
you to think i did that because i know that that
would really hurt you and like that didn't happen
it's just an unnecessary strife we would have
to go through if you believe that right But that's
not the way he was talking. He was like, I need
to shut it down. I need to like make it go away.
Like, yeah, I need to know that she knows how
they can happen. So like we appear as a united
front. So when it does come up again, she's saying
my, my husband would never do that. That's what's
happening here. 100%. Because like, if Kenny
came home today and was like, I heard this rumor
that you were cheating on me. I would be like,
okay. Okay. Show me the proof. Please. Yeah.
Because like, you just don't, I mean, you don't
have to get emotional over something that isn't
real. I just, yeah. Right. He really dug his
own grave there. We get back to Michaela's house
where Michaela has hired someone to show her
how to bake fucking sourdough to beat Whitney
in the bake -off. I'm so fucking over her. Can
I just tell you, I know a thing or two about
sourdough. There are millions of tutorials on
TikTok, on YouTube, on the internet, Sally's
Baking Addiction, etc. Where you can learn how
to make sourdough. Sure. Not fucking hard. You
don't need someone to come to your house. I.
I understand part of this was probably just for
the show of like, I'm going to go so far to beat
Whitney. Yeah. But like at a certain point, I'm
like. Who is this for? It's not for you. Yeah,
like you're clearly not enjoying yourself. This
man is not enjoying himself. I don't understand
it. Whitney and Connor are there. My God, there's
more baking content. I've I've written baking
in these notes so many times. Whitney and Connor
are baking and Zach shows up because Whitney's
worried about Jen. She's crying and in the bed
every day and apparently it's getting worse.
And Zach said or Zach's doing the right thing
by defending his wife. But she's also a liar.
So. You're defending a liar. I don't know what
to tell you. I mean, a liar who is also your
wife and who is also, you know. And I think that
Zach is doing the right thing, but like. I don't
know. I think once you know someone's like really
going through it, you have to give them a little
bit of grace. And it's not like she. The lies
she told hurt herself and herself only at the
end of the day. Lying to. lying to Zach only
hurts her at the end of the day because he's
bound to find out that she knew. Sure. It doesn't
hurt Demi. It doesn't hurt Jesse. It doesn't
hurt any of the guys who did the Chippendales
things. So, like, I do think it's nice that they
gave her a little bit of grace in this time period
to, like, get back on her feet mentally. I agree.
The cease and desist. Oh, my God. So I guess
Demi is going out of her way to get a cease and
desist out against. Jen and Zach. Is it? OK,
so. Oh, yeah, it's Jen and Zach to not talk about
whatever is going on from her past. And. that
to me specifically what happened at vanderpump
villa she doesn't want jen to send to spread
her side of the story oh so let me let me tell
you something about something that i know about
a cease and desist is you only get a cease and
desist written if you are in the wrong about
something Or if you have a copyright or if you
have a patent and someone is infringing on that.
If you have a real legal reason for that, that's
different. That's a different thing. But we're
talking about cease and desist on people talking.
And you only do a gag order. You only get an
injunction on someone speaking if you don't want
the truth out. Right. There is no other reason
because if she were spreading incorrect things,
you would let her and then you would charge her
with defamation. because if it's not true and
you can prove it's not true because there are
cameras audio and everything from vanderpump
villa you're getting a check mama for defamation
of character but you know it's true right so
you're doing a preemptive cease and desist which
for me like and i understand the legalities behind
some of this right for me though I'm just like,
oh, you've never once thought about the optics
of anything other than how you want to look.
So like you believe that you're going to throw
out a cease and desist. And then what do you
think is going to come of that? Tell me how you
think that's going to shake out for you. It's
almost as if she thought the cease and desist
would have included that they can't talk about
the cease and desist. No, that's not how that
works. That would be an NDA, mama. They're not
signing that. God. Layla goes to Swig. And something
that was really triggering for me is that Layla
was able to go in and order a fucking drink.
Why the fuck can't we do that in Indy? I don't
know. I really don't know. I have been craving
a Swig all day, though. Maybe we should go, too.
Let's go to Swig. Did you know? Oh, I did already
tell you this. At Sonic, you can get a dirty
soda. Oh, yeah. But also at Sonic, you can like
do whatever you, it's basically a swig if you
make it your own swig. Oh yeah. I never thought
about that. That's so beautiful. I have a Sonic
like two seconds from my house and I also have
a Wawa going in two seconds from my house. I'm
happy. I'm really happy for you. My baby's first
words are going to be Wawa. Yeah. Oh, Cam. Yeah,
Cam. Yes, I forgot Cam was there. I could have
done without that, too. I honestly liked it.
I thought that he was really, like, calm and
pleasant with her. But this is also the scene
where Layla's tape and extensions show so badly
that someone should have said something and they
just didn't, which is so messed up. I do think
that I respected Cam for how he approached this
conversation. I felt like he wanted to preserve
their relationship. He wanted to tell his side
of the story. And he felt like his feelings weren't
being reciprocated. And Layla said she was like,
oh, yeah, no, I do that. I'm scared I'm going
to get hurt type of thing. That's OK. That's
fair. I'll give her that. I could. I don't. I
think we had to have that conversation for Cam
to reenter the show. Maybe. Maybe. Kind of. Because,
like, if he would have just come back after not
being at Friendsgiving and that whole thing,
then, like. That would have been weird. Yeah.
Yeah. Dakota and some man are playing basketball.
I disassociated for this entire scene. I have
no idea what happened. I feel. OK, so his friend
was telling him, like. hey you have a kid now
so like whatever's going on between you and taylor
you need to put that kid first and also like
you guys are in this toxic cycle i think he did
actually call them like toxic and he kind of
told dakota to get out of it okay which i respected
as well good for him i don't remember it that
well either i just remember being like yes friend
tell him If you can hear Jack in the back, I'm
sorry. No, I love it. We get to Friendsgiving.
This event actually looks really, really fucking
cool. I like the vibe. I like all of it. Yeah,
it was cute. Layla's sister shows up, and she's
so fucking pretty. The genetics in that family
are insane. Oh, yeah. Insane. but kayla shows
up she's baked a bunch of shit like there's a
pumpkin pie with jesus's face on it there's i
the cinnamon rolls actually did look really good
i will give her that i won't take that away from
her um but then production 1000 said to put the
ctr letters on top of oh yeah so they would be
like very similar yeah i think they were just
stirring the pot oh yeah i think they also because
doesn't whitney end up putting her bread in Out
of all the desserts that she baked, she has to
choose one to put in there and she does the bread.
I feel like that was production, too. Oh, probably.
Yeah. I love the idea of the Mormon bake off.
I think that's funny. And when we host a live
show, I would like to do this with our listeners
where people just show up with baked goods for
us to try. But like us themed, not Mormon themed.
Yes, it could be. We'll have to workshop a theme,
but yeah, I don't because I don't know what our
theme would be. It would be pride. Gay bread.
Poor Layla. She's not a baker and that's OK.
Her pumpkin pie wasn't fully cooked. Oh, poor,
poor, poor Layla. Miranda, however, made a blueberry
coffee cake that looked incredible. So fucking
good. Macy made some peanut butter bars with
Joseph Smith standing on the top of them. Bless
her. Okay, that's fine. Like, great. She can't
do anything wrong. It's fine. Do you think that,
like, they just have stores that are selling
Joseph Smith, like, merchandise? It looks like
she printed it out and cut it up, but I don't
know. Oh, okay. See, I was like, does she go
to Hobby Lobby? They probably do, though, because
Mormons are so rampant in Utah. You know what
I mean? They're just running around. They probably
do have that. taylor taylor is so silly she got
an apple pie from the grocery store but i think
it is so kind that she said i'm gonna put this
in a baking dish you guys are gonna like it yeah
and she's doing it in the back of her fucking
suv i thought that was hysterical yeah in the
back of her suv in the parking lot didn't even
bother heating it up nothing she said here you
go she said i baked this congealed just for you
taylor is so funny Demi makes a better than what
cake that has dicks all over it. And I was mad
because it looked really good. And I Googled
it. And I a thousand percent know that I would
fucking love a better than sex cake. I would
I would eat it like it was my last meal. I just
hate Demi. I do, too. So I saw it and I was like,
oh, sacrilegious. Got it. Yeah. Connor saying
the dicks were a total turn on love. Yeah. Okay.
We get it. We get it. Live in your truth. I'm
happy for you. I am too. And I'm glad that your
wife hears you say that and just one in one ear
and out the other. And she says, hee hee ha ha.
She goes, I don't want to look at your phone
later. No, don't show me. Layla brings up the
confession about Brett and Brett looks furious
for a second. And Macy then says that she regrets
sharing it with the girls. I'm like, no, you
don't. I think if anyone actually feels that
way, it would be Macy. Yeah, but I don't believe
it. You did your duty, girl. Yes, you served
your country. How are you supposed to sit on
that and not tell anyone like. of course he told
people I agree and then Taylor breaks down for
a little bit because of the Dakota situation
and I'm honestly really really shocked and surprised
at the way the entire group but especially the
guys really supported her because they were like
you know you don't deserve that like you deserve
a good guy and they like want to lift her up
and I thought that was really fucking cool they
did rally around her I feel like She didn't even
expect that because she seemed kind of, like,
uncomfortable and, like, emotional about the
whole thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was, like, hard
to watch because it, I mean, I don't know. It's
just, like, they're still having sex. Like, why
are you doing that? Why are you doing that? Why
are you doing that? But also, like, I've been
in a toxic relationship. I get it. Y 'all have.
Oh, my God. We're almost there, dear listener,
to the end of this episode. And then we have
a whole other one. But that is basically the
end of the... No, I mean, there's a whole other
episode to record after this. Right. We have
a... Right. No, no, no, no, no. I meant that
was the end of episode seven of the Mormon Wives.
Yes. And now we're moving on to episode eight.
Okay. Okay. So the Book of Betrayal. Episode
eight, the Book of Betrayal. Here's where it
all starts to get tangly at the CMAs of all places.
We have Taylor presenting an award, which, by
the way, she's on the red carpet. She looks as
good as any of those girls has ever looked. She
looks stunning. Yes. Stunning. Yeah. And then
here's where all of the drama starts is she posts.
on Instagram, as one does, that she's presenting
an award at the CMAs. No one from the group comments
on it. However, they didn't feel like they needed
to because a lot of them had already texted her
saying congratulations, huge night for you, I'll
be watching, blah, blah, blah. It's just so exhausting.
It's exhausting. And I've had friends like this
before that you have to show support on social
media or you don't show support at all. And for
me, I guess I don't care either way. I feel like.
There is something to be said. The one point
I can see that Taylor never makes, but I feel
like is embedded here, is the people you support
in private, you should also lift up publicly.
Sure. You know, however, a comment on one thing
that you did after years of you having all of
these accomplishments is not a make or break
situation. Well, that in the past that I was
also willing to give Taylor is that this is your
job. Like your job is being public and social
media like that is that is your job. And if she
just would have said, like, you guys, this is
mom talk. This is what we're supposed to do.
Like, I would have bought that. I do feel like
she could have hopped in the group chat and been
like, hey, guys, we're MomTalk. We're supposed
to be a united front here. And I feel like no
one's supporting me on this particular thing.
Could anyone go comment on it? I feel like that's
not giving your dignity away. That's not giving
anything away. That's just. You saying, hey,
this is weird. Or don't even say, can someone
go comment on it? Ask the question. Is there
a reason none of you have said anything about
it? I feel like it wasn't the content. It was
the delivery. If Taylor would have just said,
listen, if we could have gone about it differently,
I think it would have been different. But we
cut to Macy and Michaela going to Demi's house.
Were they unpacked? Taylor's. Delivery and not
the content of the delivery. Because she didn't
bring it up to them at all. The first thing she
did, right, is hop on her Instagram story. Take
to a live. Yeah. I have to take to the social
media. I must bring this to the attention of.
All of my millions of followers, my friends aren't
supporting me. Right. Before you ever hopped
in the MomTalk group chat to be like, hey, guys,
is there a reason I'm not being supported on
this? Before you talk to them at all, you sick
your millions of fans on them. That is a problem.
Right. And I agree with that. Demi latches onto
this, though, and this is where she decides Taylor's
not qualified to be the leader of mom talk. And
I was like, oh, I wonder who is. She's trying
to stage a coup. She thinks that she's next in
line to that throne. And she thinks anything
to take Taylor down so I can be the queen bee.
It is so strange. It is. And Demi's making hot
chocolate. This is just a completely like something
I just picked up on. This is the funniest thing
I've ever seen. what the hot chocolate that but
like what i picked up on was because i've i've
known people that have tried to like portray
this image before she's big or she's making hot
chocolate in a lake crusade dutch oven a 350
dollar lake crusade dutch oven and it's coming
almost immediately after you talk about how jesse
has all this money and like this that and the
other so you need to prove that you have money
not so much in your house in general hello right
i hate that that being said um The hot chocolate
is disgusting. It tastes like dirt, apparently.
And I can align with Michaela on this one thing.
And then Macy pours hers out in the sink. And
I thought that was the greatest thing ever. Yeah,
that was a I thought that was the funniest thing
in the world that her her hot chocolate was so
disgusting. I could tell from the bag she was
pouring it from that it was going to be fucking
gross. Yeah. Also, I started to write a note
here. Macy decides that she's going to take on
the task of maybe talking to Taylor. Maybe. I
don't know. I don't know. Well, Leanne and Taylor's
trash stepdad show up at Taylor's house. I guess
he's going to hang a picture on the wall or something.
I don't ever want to see that man on my TV again.
Yeah. Oh, he's done to me. The fact that you
can talk to your stepdaughter the way that you
talk. Dakota shows up to pick Ever, so they're
all there together. It's Taylor's stepdad's dream.
He loves Dakota more than his own stepdaughter.
Taylor acknowledges that some of the girls texted
her, but she's making this whole thing about
how they didn't support her publicly, and I feel
like some of her feelings are valid, but the
crash out on social media was a million percent
too far. I, yeah, and I agree. That goes back
to what we were just talking about. She could
have said anything to the girls that she could
have just asked them the question. And she didn't.
She hopped on her stories. Right. So whatever.
And then Taylor talks about her imposter syndrome.
She doesn't ever call it imposter syndrome. That's
100 percent what she's experiencing. Oh, yeah.
She feels like she doesn't deserve anything that
she has. Right. Because it all comes back to
the swinging scandal. And then this piece of
shit stepdad goes, well, your family doesn't
care about that. Fuck you. No, you don't get
to stand up for her now after saying you hooked
up with Dakota after three dates. Fuck you. Fuck
you. Because apparently you do care about it
because you did. I thought you did care about
what she was doing with her regime and that it
was completely your business and that you get
to call her a whore. Or do you not care about
that because it was her husband and the husband
was in charge? Fuck you. Fuck you, dude. You
don't get a redemption arc until you apologize
for what you said at the cookout. I'm sorry.
I don't think he gets a redemption arc at all.
I don't want him on the screen anymore. Hulu,
take him off. Hulu. I'm talking to you. Um, Macy
and Michaela go to meet up with Taylor and it's
awkward as fuck when Taylor gets in the car.
Yeah. I feel like Taylor, like if you met her
in person would already be an awkward person.
Oh yeah. And then. she also knows that she's
like under fire from these girls and she's kind
of pissed at them too not to the extent that
they're pissed at her though and so she's just
like yeah oh god but they go to swig and they
get hot chocolate and i can't wait for it to
get cold outside because i want to try that hot
chocolate too bad i know i think it'll be really
good um I've been craving hot chocolate, by the
way. Have you? I've been craving it and I've
been making it, too. Oh, I love that. I don't
deny myself anything. I'm pregnant. You shouldn't.
So, yeah, I've been drinking hot chocolate in
July. Good. That's the whole thing. It's Christmas
in July. Yeah. This is where I depart from Taylor
a little bit. She says she would do it all over
again. And the girls are. getting attacked online
over not supporting Taylor, and then Taylor defends
herself by saying public and private support
are equally important. I don't agree with that.
I'm not saying they're equal. I'm just saying
if you support someone in private, you should
also, you know, stand up and support them when
it matters publicly. Right. But I don't think
that public support is as important as... Anyway,
it doesn't matter. I just... I also feel like
Taylor is not understanding why they're mad.
It's almost like Taylor doesn't understand. She
doesn't. What they're saying because she doesn't
understand why they're upset in the first place.
She doesn't. And this is where it becomes exhausting
for me is that I have had. And almost I mean,
a bar for bar, almost identical fight with someone
that we both know. Yeah. After their wedding
and the like, she did not understand. That I
was like, granted, it wasn't to this level, but
I was just like, at some point, you have to drop
it or we have to agree to disagree. One of those
two things has to happen because I don't know
what to do anymore. And I'm sorry that you feel
like I didn't support you. But you also have
to be sorry for like being insane. Yeah. Bashing.
Because what they didn't do. Is go online and
bash you, say you're a worse dress of the CMAs
and you don't deserve it and all of this. They
didn't do that. They just didn't say anything
publicly. They texted you. Right. Michaela ends
up saying that with her real life friendships,
the private support matters more. And I agree
with her and I hate that I agree with Michaela
about something because that's one thing where
I'm just like, I wholeheartedly agree. Yeah.
And I think most people feel that way. I just
said I do. I think most people do. I think if
Taylor understood how to communicate what was
bothering her, this whole conversation would
have gone differently. I also feel like if Michaela
or Macy could have found the words to explain
why they were upset, this conversation would
have gone differently. Because I think. From
Taylor's perspective, they are just mad that
she said anything on her stories on her account.
That's not why they're upset. They're upset because
now they have millions of people going in their
comments and saying that they're bad friends.
And I think if they would have included that
in this conversation, Taylor could have seen
it differently. And if Taylor... could have explained
herself better she would have been perceived
differently too it was just like yeah a huge
miscommunication i feel like anyway i agree um
macy and jacob go to san diego and they're doing
ivf secretly and now they're doing a frozen embryo
transfer and i actually kind of like that they're
doing this without telling anyone because i think
especially if you're doing ivf there's a whole
conversation that happens around it unnecessarily
where people are like how's it going how's it
going how's it going and it puts so much pressure
on the couple that like you can't win for losing
like it's i I hate that. So I'm glad that they're
doing it, like, on their own terms. Well, and
the other thing is people don't do that when
you're trying for a baby naturally. People aren't
on your back saying, how's it going, how's it
going, how's it going? So, like, I do also like
that they kept, like, their intimacy about it.
Like, they let it be their journey without any
other peering eyes. Right. Which is, yeah. And
then the doctor comes in with the embryo, and
I don't know what the fuck I was expecting, but,
like, It was just a little syringe with like
a little IV tube in it. And like I, I guess I
didn't know what I thought an embryo or how big
I thought an embryo was. Teeny tiny. Apparently.
And then Jacob's reaction after the treatment,
that did make me cry. Like, I'm not going to
lie. Like his emotion over it was so sweet. I
think he is so excited to be a dad. He just wants
to be a dad. He loves Macy so much, too. You
can tell like he would die for that girl. It
is very sweet. I thought that was very sweet.
Taylor and Layla go to New York. They're shooting
a commercial for a brand deal. Demi is seething
at this. Oh, yeah, because we find out that Demi
asked Layla how much they were making. And like
we saw the screenshots and it. Well, we didn't
see actual screenshots. Have you ever noticed
how they like recreate screenshots where it's
like not the same font and like not the same
color quite as the iPhone? Yeah. And I wonder
if it's like a copyright thing. Yeah, I don't
know. Or like just how their values are set on
their like on the actual show makes it look weird.
I can't tell. No, because the font isn't right.
Yeah, the fonts. yeah completely different like
it's the the emojis look different like it's
it's anyway that's a weird thing that i've noticed
but like she did ask several times like how much
did you make up like and i was just like drop
it fucking drop it it's none of your fucking
business it's such a weird pocket watching thing
with demi i don't know yeah she really turned
me off with that whole thing um taylor shares
that she is apologized to the girls and apparently
demi does not accept the apology and she says
to taylor you should be kissing our feet and
let me tell you something in no uncertain terms
if you're going to tell me how i am supposed
to apologize when i am actually trying to come
to you and say like i i it's different if it's
like a non -apology like it was like one of those
things i'm sorry you felt that way i don't like
that but that's something taylor's doing here
Yeah, it's one thing to say, I hear you, but
that's not a real apology. It's another thing
to say your apology is not enough and you need
to be kissing the ground I walk on. Our feet.
That's you're a cunt. Yeah, she is really a problem.
And like, I feel like she was just mad because
she saw that all the girls were kind of like
coming around. coming around and accepting Taylor
and she was like oh no no no that's my spot that's
my spot and so she crashed out yes and go she
can go fuck herself I have nothing else to say
about Demi um and then And I knew this was going
to come back to bite Layla and she should have
kept her fucking mouth shut. But they're in here
and makeup. They're getting glam. And Layla goes,
no, I'll have your back tonight at the Saints
and Sinners party. I'll stand up for you. Right.
Right. Because they help will come in the morning.
You are flying back to Utah that night for a
Saints and Sinners party. And Layla says. She'll
have Taylor's back. And I feel like she was just
in the moment trying to be like, I understand
where you're coming from. I totally get it. And
like that just like slipped out of her mouth.
You know what I'm saying? She didn't mean that.
Anyway, obviously. Yeah. Macy goes home to take
her pregnancy test. And that was quick, like
for the pregnancy test. Right. I don't know.
Well, this whole show, the tempo is crazy. So
it's like it's hard to tell. I don't I don't
remember. I think she said it was like a couple
of weeks after implantation that she took the
test. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. She's pregnant.
I'm really happy for her and Jacob. I cried.
I was so happy because I know they wanted it
so bad. I am really happy for them. They looked
so thrilled. They also looked apprehensive because,
of course, like early on, you have to be careful.
But they did look so happy. It does cut to a
picture of Jesus walking on water, though, like
their house. Did you notice that? That's a picture
of Jesus just walking on water, standing on the
wall. And then Taylor and Layla are on the jet
headed back home in a private jet. And Layla
made a choice. She said, I don't know if I said
anything bad about you, but here's the group
chat that I have with everyone else except for
you. Sweet Layla. I feel like she just wanted
to be like, see Taylor, I'm here for you. I'll
be transparent with you. I'll let you read my
texts. About you. I feel like. Layla. I'm not
going to call her dumb. I don't think she's dumb.
But I think. She doesn't. She doesn't always
think before she says things. She. Doesn't. But
what I also think. I love Layla. I can't believe
I'm talking down on her name. But I don't think
you are talking down on her. I think she does
want to show loyalty. And I think she does want
to. I don't think she wants anything bad to happen
to Taylor. I do think that she doesn't want to
follow through on the loyalty though. That's
where I struggle a little bit with Layla where
it's like, I don't think she wants to get her
hands dirty. A hundred percent. She's the, she's
the type of person that I feel like Taylor is
actually having a problem with. Like she's the
type of person to in private say, I support you
fully. I'll have your back. And then in public,
I mean, not do that at all. So, yeah, with that,
we go into the Saints and Sinners party. Right.
It's a joint venture between Baby Mama and Jay
-Z Styles, which I thought was really, really
cool for them to show like, hey, we can do something
together. We can support each other's businesses
like we're like there's there. I didn't feel
like one. brand had more of a spotlight than
the other and i thought these are two girls who
support each other who want to build each other
up and i thought that was very cool to see i
do think um macy and jesse both have that in
them though they're both like very humble and
like out of everyone on the cast if anyone was
going to do that it would be them too because
I really feel like they do want to, like, empower
each other, which is supposed to be what their
whole group is about anyway, by the way. By the
way. We just don't see that very often. Right.
Macy and Jesse both look gorgeous. Yes. Stunning,
stunning, stunning. Demi walks in with her little
fuck -ass red wings, and I don't know. I feel
like no one shared what wings they were wearing,
Mama. They didn't talk about it at all. They
went to the Party City bankruptcy sale and said,
I'll just take whatever's left, I guess. And
they didn't send a picture. They didn't do anything
because then Taylor walks in with wings that
are bigger than her. Jesus Christ. taller than
her she had to she had to go sideways to get
in the door yeah she do you remember the Victoria's
Secret fashion show yes they were like that they
were bigger than that almost like the finale
maybe I've never like I saw it and I was like
I this episode I was like watching it right before
bed I was like maybe I'm tired I was watching
what she walked in and like to be fair Taylor's
probably like a teeny tiny little person yeah
it was the most but still outrageously large
set of angel wings i've ever fucking seen in
my life like 18 feet wide what are you doing
i swear to god because even like the victoria
secret angels i feel like they were mostly not
that big no and i was like where did you find
these like where did you acquire these wings
that is my question i want to know the logistics
of it Like, I don't understand. Maybe. Or, like,
because I was thinking through, like, how were
they shipped to you? Because, like, there's structure
to them, so you, like, have to ship them in a
big -ass box. Like, it had to have been shipped,
like, art. What are we doing? What are we doing?
Mind you, not even her event. right she was like
oh i need to get wings i got wings i got wings
what i would be willing to believe more though
she already had those waiting in her closet oh
i am willing to believe she already had those
from a separate occasion oh absolutely i would
buy that in a heartbeat denny is simply ready
to fight um where This is another page. She shows
up with smoke coming out of her ears. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. And this is another page they took directly
from the Real Housewives book. Let's go to a
separate room so we can have a conversation,
girls. Yeah. OK. Taylor apologizes to everyone
in the group except Demi. She goes, except you,
Demi. I'm not sorry to you. That was the greatest
thing ever. I loved it, too. Demi doesn't deserve
an apology because she's been talking out of
her ass for six episodes. Right. So then they
start going at it. Layla is disassociating so
fucking hard. Like she doesn't say a word one
way or another. Staring directly. past the wall
like saying oh I can't oh actually I didn't see
it going this way sorry Taylor I have exited
reality right like wow wow and I hate that I
really do wish at some point she would have stood
up to be like I've talked to Taylor I've been
with Taylor all day I really don't think any
of this is coming out of malice what I am shocked
about though is that tailored and maybe Taylor
just didn't even clock it but like Layla did
say she was gonna stand up for her and she didn't
right and I would have bought Layla saying I'm
just like confrontation like isn't really my
thing whatever but she did try to defend Demi
against Taylor in yeah Scottsdale so I'm like
uh you're I don't like that I don't like it I
just feel like again I feel like sometimes she
doesn't think about what she's doing I feel like
she's just like, and I get this way too. I feel
like sometimes she's just like gliding through
life, not really thinking about what she's doing
one way or another. But what I also will give
Layla in this moment, like if she ever uses this
as her defense, I'll buy it. Taylor didn't need
a goddamn person to stick up for Taylor. Taylor
can hold her own in a fight. Yeah. I feel like
I've called this out before, but like I feel
like I always write it down about Jessie. She's
a really good communicator. She is. And I also
feel like she's very emotionally intelligent.
Yes. She's good at taking everything on the chin
and being like, this is not I. She's one of those
people where like I feel like internally she's
always like, I know who I am and I don't need
you to like validate that for me. Yes. You know,
like she's very comfortable in her skin. We find
out that Demi's talked shit about Jessie's business
and her hair skills. That really pissed me off.
Talk shit about whatever you want. What really
upset me was you looked at Jessie and you could
tell her feelings were hurt. I wanted to cry
for Jessie. I just wanted to hug her. Well, I
feel like if anyone knows anything about Jessie,
it's that she rides or dies for this hair brand.
And so I feel like she was willing to hear the...
I don't think you deserve as much. for brand
deals or whatever i don't think she should be
paid as much for the show but none of that had
anything to do with her integrity as a business
woman exactly that's yeah because i think all
of that had to do with oh you already make so
much money with your hair brand and so now to
hear you also don't believe in the hair brand
is like a punch in the gut oh it sucked it sucked
to see your face like that was really hard for
me yeah and that really pissed me off because
if you're i mean here's how I honestly feel if
your friend has a business or a venture of any
kind it is your job to support them and if you
have any criticism for them number one it better
be constructive and number two it is your duty
to spread that to them in private Yes. You don't
tell anyone else anything except for it is the
most amazing thing I've ever seen ever. Yes.
That is your duty as a friend. I agree. So as
soon as you're like, oh, I don't know if you
should go there. Oh, I don't know if I believe
in them for color or whatever. Fuck you. Guillotine
for you. I agree. I also felt like in this moment,
this is not the first time Jesse's heard about
Demi talking shit about it, but this is the first
time it became real. Yeah, I feel like maybe
she had heard it before and just didn't believe
it. And now like Taylor's saying it. And she's
like, oh, yeah, I think this really might have
happened because the whole storyline is that
Demi said that to Taylor. So now Taylor's like
confirming. Yeah, I did say that. Demi is reaching
and digging for something to throw in Taylor's
face. So the arrest from season one comes up
and Desi or Demi gets into how Taylor and Dakota's
relationship is so toxic and which is true. It
is toxic as hell. Yeah, she would. never put
a child in that situation and that's where she
lost me because i was like you don't bring the
fucking kids into it you don't get to do that
what are you saying demi like are you dead ass
serious i would have put hands on her if i were
taylor what are you saying i'm surprised she
didn't honestly You're bringing up old news.
Things she's already repented for, apologized
to everyone involved for, moved on from. Yes,
she's still in this toxic relationship with this
man. No, she's not putting her hands on him.
No, he's not putting his hands on her. They just
are emotionally volatile. They're also emotionally
stupid. Right. Like, let's just call it what
it is. Taylor is not an emotionally intelligent
person. I'm willing to say that on record. Yes.
Has a hard time understanding where anyone is
coming from. Not an empath. However. Why the
fuck is that a bad situation for their baby who
can't even hear correctly yet? Why are you such
a big cunt that that's how that's that's where
you need to take it? What are you saying? Taylor
has other kids, by the way. But you just want
to dig at the baby. Cunt. Oh. my God. Mind you,
they're taking fine care of this baby. This baby
is protected and cared for at all times. Well,
except for the baby wipes, but they figured it
out. It's not like they were like, oh, well,
he's just going to be shitty. Like, oh my God.
That really pissed me off. I agree. I was mad
about that. And then the fight kind of dissipates.
The girls all leave the room except for Taylor
and Jesse, where I was almost positive this is
going to be a thing where Taylor was like, see,
Demi's a bad friend and she was going to try
and turn her against Demi. But she was like,
it felt like she was checking on Jesse and Jesse
did share. She's like, I'm embarrassed in her
right now. And like, I think the word embarrassed
like broke my heart for her a little bit. I know.
I mean, I understand like why she feels the way
she feels. It just is like. You don't deserve
to be embarrassed. That bitch should be embarrassed
because she's a bitch. She's so mean. She is
brutal. She has no couth. Oh, my God. So uncouth.
And that's just like, yeah, I really felt for
Jesse in that moment. And that's where the episode
leaves off. Dear listener. Yeah. Emma and I are
going to roll. basically into episode nine do
you want to see if jack wants to go on a walk
do you think he needs that yeah let's do that
jack and jack and emma and i are gonna go on
a walk and then we're gonna come back and we're
gonna record episode nine but while we're here
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