WEBVTT 00:00:13.740 --> 00:00:17.179 Hi, I'm Travis. And I'm Emma. What's the last 00:00:17.179 --> 00:00:20.239 song you listened to? Unfortunately, the truth 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:24.100 is it was Don't by Bryson Tiller. If I'm being 00:00:24.100 --> 00:00:25.559 a thousand percent honest, I don't even know 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:28.500 if I remember that song. Oh, well, we can't get 00:00:28.500 --> 00:00:31.019 copyrighted if I sing it. So it's the one that 00:00:31.019 --> 00:00:33.880 like has the huge, like a super long buildup. 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:36.780 And then he goes, don't. And then it's like, 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:43.079 don't play with it. Don't be dishonest. Yes. 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:49.020 Yeah. Yes. I do remember this. My last song was 00:00:49.020 --> 00:00:54.859 Attention by Kesha Slater and Rose Gray. So much 00:00:54.859 --> 00:00:58.600 more cunt than mine. It is. And what I have to 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:03.000 believe happened was Kesha went into a lab and 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:05.739 said, I know what the gays need this summer. 00:01:05.840 --> 00:01:07.540 And then they just built this song in the lab. 00:01:07.700 --> 00:01:12.989 The idea of Kesha and Slater knowing it. knowing 00:01:12.989 --> 00:01:16.730 each other is so incredible to me. I have a feeling 00:01:16.730 --> 00:01:19.530 they're, like, you know how you're pinned at 00:01:19.530 --> 00:01:21.849 the top of my iMessage? Yeah. I have a feeling 00:01:21.849 --> 00:01:24.090 they're pinned at the top of each other's. Like, 00:01:24.189 --> 00:01:29.069 they text daily, for sure. We have a lot this 00:01:29.069 --> 00:01:34.329 week, also. Where do you want to start? Yeah. 00:01:37.790 --> 00:01:42.390 Okay, well, let's just say... Last week we had 00:01:42.390 --> 00:01:46.849 listeners from all over the globe. We did. All 00:01:46.849 --> 00:01:50.790 over. And we've cracked 100 listeners. Finally. 00:01:50.890 --> 00:01:55.790 We've made it. So this in the grand scheme of 00:01:55.790 --> 00:01:59.430 podcasting means so little, but we cracked 100 00:01:59.430 --> 00:02:02.609 listeners. And like there's this like where I 00:02:02.609 --> 00:02:05.469 upload the podcast every week. It like gives 00:02:05.469 --> 00:02:07.870 you analytics of like where the. listens are 00:02:07.870 --> 00:02:10.750 coming from. So 90 % of our listeners are in 00:02:10.750 --> 00:02:12.930 the United States, like scattered across the 00:02:12.930 --> 00:02:17.729 country. Um, but we have listeners in the United 00:02:17.729 --> 00:02:22.370 Kingdom, Malaysia, Russia. Um, we have listeners 00:02:22.370 --> 00:02:25.569 in Ireland, Switzerland, Australia, Finland, 00:02:25.729 --> 00:02:30.090 Egypt, Germany, and the Netherlands. Like how 00:02:30.090 --> 00:02:37.419 wild is that? My Deutsch people. Yeah, it's beautiful. 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:40.419 I love that. We're going on a world tour. Listen, 00:02:40.780 --> 00:02:46.819 I'm ready. Yeah, tomorrow. Starting tomorrow. 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:52.060 Maybe when we get 200 listeners. My pregnancy 00:02:52.060 --> 00:02:55.280 update is also my complaint. So however you want 00:02:55.280 --> 00:03:00.090 to do that. You tell me. Go buck wild. am now 00:03:00.090 --> 00:03:03.610 well tomorrow i'll be 16 weeks pregnant that 00:03:03.610 --> 00:03:07.210 is wild i know which makes the baby the size 00:03:07.210 --> 00:03:13.270 of an avocado and like five inches long um which 00:03:13.270 --> 00:03:16.030 is beautiful and amazing and his ears are in 00:03:16.030 --> 00:03:18.430 the right place and he has eyeballs it's it's 00:03:18.430 --> 00:03:24.250 great his bones have ossified or whatever beautiful 00:03:26.189 --> 00:03:30.509 we are not ever shitting on the miracle of pregnancy 00:03:30.509 --> 00:03:36.289 however what is getting a little old to me is 00:03:36.289 --> 00:03:40.770 like okay so like regardless of how you want 00:03:40.770 --> 00:03:43.569 to put it if you don't start your pregnancy with 00:03:43.569 --> 00:03:47.050 a flat tummy it looks like you're just getting 00:03:47.050 --> 00:03:49.729 bigger for a while before you like round out 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:52.759 which is beautiful and great. You need to have 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:56.080 space for your baby. But like anytime I try to 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:58.520 complain about that, people are like, you're 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:02.479 pregnant. It's the miracle of childbirth. And 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:05.759 I'm like, OK, I don't look pregnant, really. 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:10.219 I look like I ate a large dinner and a large 00:04:10.219 --> 00:04:14.360 breakfast and a large lunch. So I don't know. 00:04:15.180 --> 00:04:17.420 That's my complaint. Because there really is 00:04:17.420 --> 00:04:19.819 no winning side. Because if someone were to call 00:04:19.819 --> 00:04:24.720 me fat, I would be like, I'm pregnant! But when 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:30.079 I complain about feeling fat, there's also, like, 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:32.339 nothing I can do about it. You know what I mean? 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:35.079 I don't know how to explain that. I hear what 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:38.800 you're saying. You're in a... not in a weird 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:40.500 space but like I think you're in a weird head 00:04:40.500 --> 00:04:42.860 space with where your body's at and like how 00:04:42.860 --> 00:04:47.639 it's changing yeah and I I feel like body dysmorphia 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:50.579 is pretty common in pregnancy oh it's gotta be 00:04:50.579 --> 00:04:53.160 yeah especially for people like me like my weight 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:57.199 has fluctuated a lot in my adulthood and so it's 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:00.050 like Like, I don't know. It's like triggering 00:05:00.050 --> 00:05:03.470 almost to just to like get bigger because it's 00:05:03.470 --> 00:05:05.430 not just your stomach either. Like everything 00:05:05.430 --> 00:05:08.870 is bigger. Yeah. And it's beautiful and amazing. 00:05:08.970 --> 00:05:11.269 And it will result in the most beautiful baby 00:05:11.269 --> 00:05:15.829 and all of that. Yes. But in the time being, 00:05:16.009 --> 00:05:20.209 I'm like, wow. A couple of things. One, I don't 00:05:20.209 --> 00:05:24.629 think you look big like you look like a normal 00:05:24.629 --> 00:05:28.509 size for someone who is. I don't know what a 00:05:28.509 --> 00:05:31.029 normal size is for someone who's 16 weeks pregnant. 00:05:31.149 --> 00:05:33.290 But if you said to me, this is what normal size 00:05:33.290 --> 00:05:36.290 looks like for 16 weeks, I would wholeheartedly 00:05:36.290 --> 00:05:38.769 believe that. Yeah. And that's the other thing. 00:05:39.089 --> 00:05:42.730 Like, I used to be on the heavier side. And so 00:05:42.730 --> 00:05:44.949 I know it can also be triggering to hear someone 00:05:44.949 --> 00:05:51.209 my size, like pretty normal size, be like, I 00:05:51.209 --> 00:05:54.860 feel fat. Like, that's so triggering. At the 00:05:54.860 --> 00:05:57.120 same time, this is my experience. That's fair. 00:05:57.319 --> 00:05:58.779 I mean, there's nothing wrong with that being 00:05:58.779 --> 00:06:00.300 your experience. I mean, if you're being honest 00:06:00.300 --> 00:06:05.540 about it. And I also think I carried Jack really 00:06:05.540 --> 00:06:08.660 low and I'm also carrying this baby really low. 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:13.360 And so as opposed to what? So like instead of 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:17.990 it, instead of my belly button. let's say like 00:06:17.990 --> 00:06:21.750 going straight out forward, it's underneath my 00:06:21.750 --> 00:06:25.310 belly button that is getting bigger, which is 00:06:25.310 --> 00:06:30.209 a very triggering area for me, like area of my 00:06:30.209 --> 00:06:32.509 body. I don't know how to explain that. So like 00:06:32.509 --> 00:06:36.490 early in pregnancy, the baby is like in your 00:06:36.490 --> 00:06:41.110 pelvis. And so it's not like the middle of your 00:06:41.110 --> 00:06:43.709 stomach is like popping out and you're a perfect, 00:06:43.730 --> 00:06:46.800 beautiful watermelon. Sure. It's. the bottom 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:49.800 of your stomach that kind of pops out first, 00:06:49.980 --> 00:06:52.160 especially for me. That's just how it's been. 00:06:52.259 --> 00:06:56.579 OK. And so it's like it's giving big fupa, you 00:06:56.579 --> 00:07:00.040 know? No, it's not. I promise it's not. Yeah. 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:02.720 You know, I'd be honest with you. Like, if you 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:05.199 ask me if it was, it's not. I promise. Yeah. 00:07:05.300 --> 00:07:07.439 It's like a it's like a body dysmorphia thing. 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:10.389 But like even. I can't show you all, but I'm 00:07:10.389 --> 00:07:13.069 going to show Travis on my app. It kind of shows 00:07:13.069 --> 00:07:17.550 where a baby is and it like makes sense for how 00:07:17.550 --> 00:07:20.569 I'm feeling. Do you see what I mean? It's like 00:07:20.569 --> 00:07:27.689 lower than you think. Yeah, I. I guess like knowing 00:07:27.689 --> 00:07:32.610 that the baby comes out of your vagina, that 00:07:32.610 --> 00:07:34.970 makes sense that it would be there, but like. 00:07:35.729 --> 00:07:37.870 When you see a pregnant girl, you're like, oh, 00:07:37.990 --> 00:07:40.230 the baby's, like, up in the middle of her belly. 00:07:40.329 --> 00:07:42.810 Right. But that's not, like, true, especially 00:07:42.810 --> 00:07:44.810 when the baby's still small. But I also think 00:07:44.810 --> 00:07:46.990 a lot of that is, like, it pushing the rest of 00:07:46.990 --> 00:07:49.310 your body outwards. Like, because the baby, like, 00:07:49.329 --> 00:07:51.970 sits under all that, right? Yeah, your intestines, 00:07:52.069 --> 00:07:55.790 like, move around. And your liver does, I think. 00:07:56.069 --> 00:07:57.610 There are a bunch of things that, like, move 00:07:57.610 --> 00:08:00.569 around. And you're out of breath because there's 00:08:00.569 --> 00:08:02.350 more pressure on your diaphragm. On your lungs, 00:08:02.350 --> 00:08:09.620 yeah. Mm -hmm. Yeah. I don't. I just like that 00:08:09.620 --> 00:08:13.060 I'm not going to ever experience that. I know. 00:08:13.139 --> 00:08:17.600 It must be beautiful to be a male. It is. Yeah. 00:08:19.579 --> 00:08:24.540 Anyway. Anyway. So I guess I'll complain. And 00:08:24.540 --> 00:08:28.639 my complaint had to be changed this week. We're 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:29.899 still going to talk about what I was going to 00:08:29.899 --> 00:08:33.509 complain about. I have a problem this week with 00:08:33.509 --> 00:08:37.429 people that ride tandem bikes. Who are you doing 00:08:37.429 --> 00:08:41.149 that for? Who is that for? Why? Why are we doing 00:08:41.149 --> 00:08:45.149 that? I would argue that you're putting on a 00:08:45.149 --> 00:08:47.450 show for the world that doesn't need to be seen. 00:08:48.790 --> 00:08:52.350 I hear that, I do. I feel like it's the same 00:08:52.350 --> 00:08:56.269 way I feel about Valentine's Day. Yes, exactly 00:08:56.269 --> 00:08:58.370 the same. Yeah, we disagree about Valentine's 00:08:58.370 --> 00:09:01.889 Day, too. I love Valentine's Day, and I love 00:09:01.889 --> 00:09:05.950 tandem bikes, and I love love. I love love. I 00:09:05.950 --> 00:09:10.659 love... people showing their love outwardly i 00:09:10.659 --> 00:09:14.559 think it's beautiful but complain away so i was 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:17.120 pulling out of my driveway this morning to come 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:19.879 to your house and these people were just riding 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:21.980 by on a tandem bike you're swerving all over 00:09:21.980 --> 00:09:26.169 the road you can't be happy i don't know there 00:09:26.169 --> 00:09:29.009 was a couple in my old neighborhood growing up 00:09:29.009 --> 00:09:32.169 that always rode around on their tandem bike 00:09:32.169 --> 00:09:36.509 and they looked so in love and happy and they 00:09:36.509 --> 00:09:39.090 did not swerve all over the road so maybe it's 00:09:39.090 --> 00:09:41.350 a test of your love if you can like keep the 00:09:41.350 --> 00:09:44.490 tandem maybe okay so maybe these people weren't 00:09:44.490 --> 00:09:46.610 doing it right but i can definitively tell you 00:09:46.610 --> 00:09:49.169 unless it's with you i will never ride a tandem 00:09:49.169 --> 00:09:52.029 bike i don't want to i don't want to do that 00:09:52.029 --> 00:09:54.029 i'm not into it i hate it i hate everything about 00:09:54.029 --> 00:09:57.460 it I think it's cute. Have I ever ridden on a 00:09:57.460 --> 00:10:00.139 tandem bike? No. So I'm sure there are factors 00:10:00.139 --> 00:10:03.659 at play that I am not aware of. But for the most 00:10:03.659 --> 00:10:07.019 part, I think they're cute. OK, I won't take 00:10:07.019 --> 00:10:09.220 that away from you. It's a show of affection. 00:10:10.139 --> 00:10:13.139 And dear listener, what you must know is that 00:10:13.139 --> 00:10:15.419 there are not a lot of things Emma and I disagree 00:10:15.419 --> 00:10:25.210 on. Emma could turn against. Just about anything 00:10:25.210 --> 00:10:30.669 and turn with her, I will. I will. I will 100. 00:10:31.710 --> 00:10:35.009 I'm sorry, 99 .5 % of the time be on her side. 00:10:35.269 --> 00:10:37.950 This is just one of those takes where we're not 00:10:37.950 --> 00:10:40.450 on the same page. And that's okay. I think people 00:10:40.450 --> 00:10:42.990 mostly agree with you, though. I would say I'm 00:10:42.990 --> 00:10:45.549 probably the... In the minority? Yeah. Good. 00:10:45.970 --> 00:10:48.929 100%. Because I know I am about Valentine's Day. 00:10:49.070 --> 00:10:50.529 I hate... Because everywhere I've ever gone in 00:10:50.529 --> 00:10:52.450 my life, they're like, I hate Valentine's Day. 00:10:52.549 --> 00:10:56.470 Anti -Valentine's Day party. It's not even that 00:10:56.470 --> 00:10:58.389 I want to be anti -Valentine's Day. It's like... 00:10:58.700 --> 00:11:01.480 I want it to be a non thing. I get like when 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:03.000 you're in a relationship and it's your first 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:04.940 Valentine's day, I'll give you that. That's fine. 00:11:05.419 --> 00:11:09.779 I've I'll stop you right there. I love Valentine's 00:11:09.779 --> 00:11:12.279 day. Even when I'm single, even when I'm single, 00:11:12.419 --> 00:11:16.779 even if I'm bitter about being single, I still 00:11:16.779 --> 00:11:18.519 love Valentine's day because there are still 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:21.620 people I love. I just celebrate my friends and 00:11:21.620 --> 00:11:24.340 my family. I love you so much. Here's some candy. 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:28.120 I love it. We just did that four minutes ago 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:30.419 in your candy bowl. It wasn't Valentine's Day. 00:11:30.539 --> 00:11:32.559 Yeah, but they weren't heart -shaped and it wasn't 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:37.019 for Valentine's Day. Okay, and here's the thing 00:11:37.019 --> 00:11:39.659 I have about the argument because I know what 00:11:39.659 --> 00:11:41.960 people are thinking. The, if you love someone, 00:11:42.100 --> 00:11:44.039 you should show them you love them every single 00:11:44.039 --> 00:11:46.299 day and Valentine's Day shouldn't be special. 00:11:46.419 --> 00:11:48.340 Ah, ah, ah, ah. Do you have that argument for 00:11:48.340 --> 00:11:50.840 Mother's Day? If you love your mother. I certainly 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:54.820 don't. You should. Well, yeah. Father's Day then. 00:11:55.480 --> 00:11:57.759 You appreciate your father every day of the year. 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:00.879 Yes. Right. But do you not tell him Happy Father's 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:04.639 Day? Okay. That's what I thought. It's the same 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:07.659 idea for Valentine's Day. Just because you love 00:12:07.659 --> 00:12:09.740 someone all the time doesn't mean you can't have 00:12:09.740 --> 00:12:12.480 one special day where you show it a little extra. 00:12:12.799 --> 00:12:16.389 Okay. We'll revisit this. In February, when we 00:12:16.389 --> 00:12:19.730 do our Valentine's Day special. And you can have 00:12:19.730 --> 00:12:24.370 this all you want. I want you to live in love. 00:12:24.389 --> 00:12:29.850 Just know, I hate everything about Valentine's 00:12:29.850 --> 00:12:32.570 Day. I hate the consumerism of it. I hate the... 00:12:32.570 --> 00:12:36.309 That is true. I hate the... You have to be in 00:12:36.309 --> 00:12:38.590 a relationship for Valentine's Day. I hate the... 00:12:39.259 --> 00:12:41.519 If you want to go out to dinner and you're not 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:43.139 thinking to yourself, oh, God, it's going to 00:12:43.139 --> 00:12:47.019 be February 14th. You have to make reservations 00:12:47.019 --> 00:12:51.559 months in advance. I don't like the fact that 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:55.179 it's like it was invented by Hallmark and that 00:12:55.179 --> 00:12:57.679 like people feel like they have to spend hundreds 00:12:57.679 --> 00:13:02.659 of dollars and plan for months for it. That you're 00:13:02.659 --> 00:13:04.960 kind of losing the spirit for me a little bit. 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:09.519 But mostly I love Valentine's Day. That, yeah. 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:15.480 I wish people put that same level of energy into 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.059 like their anniversaries and like that's where 00:13:18.059 --> 00:13:20.679 the energy for Valentine's Day went. That's what 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:23.899 I wish. Do you know what we've done? Because 00:13:23.899 --> 00:13:28.080 I love Valentine's Day. My anniversary is on 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:31.740 Valentine's Day. I'm going to kill myself. I 00:13:31.740 --> 00:13:33.870 love that. Valentine's Day. How did I not know 00:13:33.870 --> 00:13:36.230 that? I don't know. Because it doesn't really 00:13:36.230 --> 00:13:38.809 matter. Because my birthday is February 1st. 00:13:39.070 --> 00:13:43.909 And then Kenny's is February 11th. And then Valentine's 00:13:43.909 --> 00:13:47.389 Day is on the 14th. So we just make it one big 00:13:47.389 --> 00:13:50.169 celebration. That's like when we went to Mexico, 00:13:50.250 --> 00:13:52.269 it was for that. When we went on a cruise, it 00:13:52.269 --> 00:13:55.610 was for that. Got it. We always do at least like 00:13:55.610 --> 00:13:58.509 a fancy dinner or something. Yeah. I love that. 00:13:59.049 --> 00:14:11.000 We call it B -Day V -Day. It's very cute. I don't 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:16.720 want to go on anymore. So speaking of love, I 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:18.620 sent him a tech talk earlier. It's been making 00:14:18.620 --> 00:14:20.860 its way around tech talk, and I've seen a couple 00:14:20.860 --> 00:14:24.100 of reactions to it. And I'm curious how you feel 00:14:24.100 --> 00:14:25.960 about this and how listener you feel about this. 00:14:27.179 --> 00:14:31.549 This girl went with her. boyfriend, fiance, whatever 00:14:31.549 --> 00:14:33.190 we're going to call him, because we're going 00:14:33.190 --> 00:14:35.570 to get into what he's called in the video that 00:14:35.570 --> 00:14:39.509 is awful. Like, I would argue that I hate it. 00:14:39.870 --> 00:14:43.149 It's an old fashioned thing. I hate it. I hate 00:14:43.149 --> 00:14:47.190 it, too. I really do. I really do. So this girl 00:14:47.190 --> 00:14:49.769 goes and she says, I went with my honey, my sweetheart 00:14:49.769 --> 00:14:56.710 to the jewelry store to pick out my wedding ring 00:14:56.710 --> 00:15:00.960 or my engagement ring. And they design it. They 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:02.779 do the whole song and dance. And they say to 00:15:02.779 --> 00:15:07.820 her, do you want to get the warranty on it? She 00:15:07.820 --> 00:15:09.639 says, yeah, of course we want to get the warranty 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:12.559 on it. No big deal. They say, OK, great. We're 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:15.720 going to send you emails every six months to 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:19.820 remind you to clean the ring and to like come 00:15:19.820 --> 00:15:23.679 in and like get the bracket things or the prongs 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:29.210 like serviced or whatever. She gives them her 00:15:29.210 --> 00:15:34.549 email to put on file for that. I guess as a result, 00:15:34.629 --> 00:15:38.950 she also started getting the order confirmations 00:15:38.950 --> 00:15:41.970 saying, hey, the ring has been ordered. Hey, 00:15:42.230 --> 00:15:46.009 the ring is like the final payment was made for 00:15:46.009 --> 00:15:50.210 the ring. And then in the I guess in one or both 00:15:50.210 --> 00:15:53.809 of the emails that she got, she received pictures 00:15:53.809 --> 00:15:58.419 of the final product of the ring. that she helped 00:15:58.419 --> 00:16:03.399 design right like she picked it out and she told 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:06.440 them what she wanted if anything she should be 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:09.080 glad she got those pictures we'll get into it 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:13.039 well so she's on here on tiktok saying they ruined 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:15.059 the surprise they took the element of surprise 00:16:15.059 --> 00:16:18.419 away from it and i'm like you you knew you were 00:16:18.419 --> 00:16:21.860 getting engaged so here's how i feel about this 00:16:21.860 --> 00:16:26.379 woman right number one Like you said, she knows 00:16:26.379 --> 00:16:28.759 she's getting engaged. Like she already knew 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:34.299 that. Number two, if you designed a ring yourself 00:16:34.299 --> 00:16:37.820 and you had specifications for how you wanted 00:16:37.820 --> 00:16:41.139 it to look, what shape diamond, all of that, 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:45.039 wouldn't you want pictures to make sure your 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:48.419 vision has come to life? And number three, if 00:16:48.419 --> 00:16:50.559 you didn't want anything to be spoiled, if you 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:54.549 didn't want these emails. Give them your man's 00:16:54.549 --> 00:16:58.669 email address. So that and I guess I didn't even 00:16:58.669 --> 00:17:01.509 think about like the picture piece of it. My 00:17:01.509 --> 00:17:05.670 thing is, is like. You knew you were going to 00:17:05.670 --> 00:17:09.410 the jewelry store. You knew you were planning 00:17:09.410 --> 00:17:13.769 a wedding. You knew at some point at some point 00:17:13.769 --> 00:17:19.609 between. Going to the jeweler and your wedding 00:17:19.609 --> 00:17:26.009 date, you would be proposed to. Right. So. It 00:17:26.009 --> 00:17:29.890 feels like she's looking for a reason to be mad. 00:17:30.150 --> 00:17:32.849 It's it's it feels like attention seeking behavior 00:17:32.849 --> 00:17:35.250 on the Internet to take it one step further. 00:17:36.269 --> 00:17:41.089 She goes on to say no amount of money is going 00:17:41.089 --> 00:17:43.210 to make us feel better. OK, then what what are 00:17:43.210 --> 00:17:45.210 you doing here? Tell me what you're doing right 00:17:45.210 --> 00:17:48.069 here on the Internet where you've turned off 00:17:48.069 --> 00:17:51.990 Stitch's duets and comments to your TikTok. That's 00:17:51.990 --> 00:17:53.990 because a bunch of people called her out on her 00:17:53.990 --> 00:17:57.230 own bullshit. Right. Everyone has a right to 00:17:57.230 --> 00:17:59.210 feel exactly how they want to feel about any 00:17:59.210 --> 00:18:02.450 situation. But I think about the person who's 00:18:02.450 --> 00:18:05.650 wedding you and I talk about a lot. And I know 00:18:05.650 --> 00:18:08.849 this is something that she would have done where 00:18:08.849 --> 00:18:11.849 she was an absolute demon monster the entire 00:18:11.849 --> 00:18:13.730 time we were getting ready for her wedding. And 00:18:13.730 --> 00:18:16.930 listener, one day we will open up about the Las 00:18:16.930 --> 00:18:22.059 Vegas bachelorette party and the. that led up 00:18:22.059 --> 00:18:25.539 to a wedding where that was probably one of the 00:18:25.539 --> 00:18:27.940 last times I spoke to someone who I considered 00:18:27.940 --> 00:18:33.039 to be one of my best friends. But it comes to 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:36.299 the point with this individual who posted this 00:18:36.299 --> 00:18:40.400 TikTok where I wish she just would have said, 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:44.279 God, I overreacted to that. At least I'm getting 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:45.880 married. At least I have someone that loves me, 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:47.960 my honey, my sweetheart. And let me just tell 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:50.490 you something else. When someone says my honey, 00:18:50.509 --> 00:18:52.069 my sweetheart, when referring to their significant 00:18:52.069 --> 00:18:55.710 other, it makes me like I have a visceral reaction 00:18:55.710 --> 00:18:58.470 to it. I hate it so much. It just kind of gives 00:18:58.470 --> 00:19:01.809 me the ick. But I also feel like a more honest 00:19:01.809 --> 00:19:06.069 version of that video is her coming to terms 00:19:06.069 --> 00:19:11.210 with the fact that she regrets being part of 00:19:11.210 --> 00:19:14.650 the planning process for her engagement. And 00:19:14.650 --> 00:19:17.190 that I completely understand because I feel like 00:19:17.190 --> 00:19:21.470 she's projecting feelings she has about not feeling 00:19:21.470 --> 00:19:24.390 surprised when she got engaged. Oh, I see what 00:19:24.390 --> 00:19:28.009 you're saying. OK. And really, it's because she 00:19:28.009 --> 00:19:31.509 planned everything and went with her honey to 00:19:31.509 --> 00:19:35.289 do everything. And she's projecting it on the 00:19:35.289 --> 00:19:39.089 jeweler like they could have done something or 00:19:39.089 --> 00:19:43.230 like they didn't warn her. But it's like. It's 00:19:43.230 --> 00:19:47.390 OK to just go on TikTok and be like, hey, ladies, 00:19:47.450 --> 00:19:50.369 don't recommend designing your own engagement 00:19:50.369 --> 00:19:53.109 ring if you're like me. Yeah, that's a whole 00:19:53.109 --> 00:19:55.529 different thing. But the other piece of it, too, 00:19:55.609 --> 00:19:59.470 is like she gets on there and she's like. We've 00:19:59.470 --> 00:20:02.470 been waiting. So the couple had been together 00:20:02.470 --> 00:20:04.289 for seven years and she's like, I've been waiting 00:20:04.289 --> 00:20:06.950 seven years for that. We've been waiting seven 00:20:06.950 --> 00:20:09.930 years for this. And I've been waiting 27 years 00:20:09.930 --> 00:20:12.349 for this. And I'm like, oh, get off the cross, 00:20:12.670 --> 00:20:15.730 Mary. Like, what are we doing? I do understand. 00:20:16.750 --> 00:20:21.069 As little girls, we are trained to look forward 00:20:21.069 --> 00:20:24.349 to our wedding. That's the long and short of 00:20:24.349 --> 00:20:27.980 it. And so it does feel like. You've been waiting 00:20:27.980 --> 00:20:33.140 27 years for this. I get it. But like you gave 00:20:33.140 --> 00:20:36.339 the jeweler your email address. Jewelers are 00:20:36.339 --> 00:20:41.000 not new to the engagement process. So I guarantee 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:43.940 she didn't get an email saying your ring has 00:20:43.940 --> 00:20:46.619 been picked up. Your engagement is happening 00:20:46.619 --> 00:20:49.880 on this day. Wear white, bitch. Like that's not 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:54.849 what they did. I believe the story has been embellished. 00:20:54.910 --> 00:20:56.630 One of two things has happened. The story has 00:20:56.630 --> 00:21:02.630 been embellished a little bit to make it seem 00:21:02.630 --> 00:21:05.569 like it was more of a ruin to the surprise than 00:21:05.569 --> 00:21:10.250 anything else. Or B, she put her email in every 00:21:10.250 --> 00:21:15.730 box that could receive an email so she would 00:21:15.730 --> 00:21:17.509 have complete control over this process. And 00:21:17.509 --> 00:21:20.609 I'm willing to believe it was number two. Mm 00:21:20.609 --> 00:21:23.240 -hmm. Yeah. So that's where we're at. Because 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:28.200 logically, if Kenny takes me to design a ring, 00:21:28.380 --> 00:21:31.359 he's like, you're picky. I want you to like it. 00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:35.500 I really want you to design it. I am never giving 00:21:35.500 --> 00:21:38.460 that jeweler my contact information. No. If you 00:21:38.460 --> 00:21:41.740 need payment, if it needs cleaned, if you want 00:21:41.740 --> 00:21:45.079 a review, talk to my man. Yes. He's buying it. 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:49.740 I agree. So I feel like maybe she just got. A 00:21:49.740 --> 00:21:53.039 little type A over the ring situation. And now 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:55.819 she regrets it. And it would be one thing, like 00:21:55.819 --> 00:21:58.200 I said, for her to hop on Twitter and say, I 00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:00.019 regret doing that. Yeah, but that's not what 00:22:00.019 --> 00:22:03.720 she did. She said the jeweler, the jeweler. Well, 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:06.099 and that's it. And she's like on there like I'm 00:22:06.099 --> 00:22:08.539 scheduling meetings with the district manager. 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:13.309 I wish the fuck I would. I wish the fuck I would. 00:22:13.509 --> 00:22:17.809 Imagine being a Karen about the people who made 00:22:17.809 --> 00:22:20.950 your wedding ring like to those people. Also, 00:22:20.990 --> 00:22:24.549 imagine going into a place of business where 00:22:24.549 --> 00:22:27.829 ostensibly they did everything that they were 00:22:27.829 --> 00:22:32.670 supposed to do. And they sent you an order confirmation 00:22:32.670 --> 00:22:36.990 to an email that you gave them and you want to 00:22:36.990 --> 00:22:40.849 speak to a district manager. No. No, no, no. 00:22:40.970 --> 00:22:45.289 I'm exhausted by that. Yeah. I'm exhausted by 00:22:45.289 --> 00:22:48.549 that. I really can't imagine behaving that way. 00:22:49.549 --> 00:22:52.150 It's this is exhausting. That's the long and 00:22:52.150 --> 00:22:54.150 short of it. This girl is exhausting. And like 00:22:54.150 --> 00:22:58.849 even watching the tick tock, we know I can think 00:22:58.849 --> 00:23:01.470 off the top of my head three girls that are exactly 00:23:01.470 --> 00:23:05.269 like this. Yeah. And I can definitively tell 00:23:05.269 --> 00:23:08.609 you I would be exhausted hearing this story with 00:23:08.609 --> 00:23:14.049 them. I have one other thing before we jump into 00:23:14.049 --> 00:23:19.430 reality roundup. Yeah, it's it's it's a push 00:23:19.430 --> 00:23:23.049 notification I got from the Arby's app. Arby's, 00:23:23.069 --> 00:23:26.710 please sponsor Bestie because you need to. Arby's, 00:23:26.710 --> 00:23:28.750 you were Bestie approved and you're about to 00:23:28.750 --> 00:23:34.839 hear why we. Emma and I have a tradition that 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:38.339 we have formed over the last six podcast episodes 00:23:38.339 --> 00:23:42.720 where I will drive to her house and I'll pick 00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:46.019 up Arby's on the way there. Every time I get 00:23:46.019 --> 00:23:48.900 a push notification from the Arby's app last 00:23:48.900 --> 00:23:51.619 week saying, congratulations, you spent twenty 00:23:51.619 --> 00:23:53.519 five dollars on your last order. Here's five 00:23:53.519 --> 00:24:02.880 dollars off your next three orders. I said, thanks 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:07.680 for repping us, fatty. Please. Oh, my God. I 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:09.779 said, thanks, Diva. I really, really appreciate 00:24:09.779 --> 00:24:15.660 that. Arby's, please sponsor us. Oh, my God. 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:19.779 It's like when I used to vape, they would have 00:24:19.779 --> 00:24:22.440 loyalty cards. Shut the fuck up. No, they didn't. 00:24:22.460 --> 00:24:27.099 Yeah. Oh, yes, they did. This feels like an addiction. 00:24:27.740 --> 00:24:32.740 Oh, it. It very much was. Okay. It is. I'm not 00:24:32.740 --> 00:24:35.460 vaping anymore, but I still feel like it's an 00:24:35.460 --> 00:24:39.980 addiction. Anyways, yeah, every time I got to 00:24:39.980 --> 00:24:42.819 the end of that card and they were like, free 00:24:42.819 --> 00:24:46.500 vape, I was like, oh, my God, I'm a crackhead. 00:24:47.579 --> 00:24:53.119 Wow. Yeah, that was a dark, dark time. If anything, 00:24:53.259 --> 00:24:56.599 this baby has already given me a gift. The gift. 00:24:56.740 --> 00:24:59.200 For your lungs. Yeah. A gift of a clean lung. 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:04.180 Being free of the vape. Do you remember that 00:25:04.180 --> 00:25:06.519 TikTok that was like, let's talk about this here 00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:11.779 epidemic that is this crack pipe? Yes. And here's 00:25:11.779 --> 00:25:14.680 the thing, I agree with all the videos about 00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:18.140 vaping and all the videos that are like, you're 00:25:18.140 --> 00:25:22.579 going to get cancer. You will get cancer. I hear 00:25:22.579 --> 00:25:25.819 you. It's a disgusting, disgusting thing. But 00:25:25.819 --> 00:25:30.940 like, it is also so hard to stop. If you need 00:25:30.940 --> 00:25:36.339 more information about that, go watch Tana Mongeau's 00:25:36.339 --> 00:25:40.160 most recent TikToks and podcast episodes and 00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:42.579 everything. Oh, does she get into it? Yeah. She's 00:25:42.579 --> 00:25:45.099 like quitting the vape is harder than quitting 00:25:45.099 --> 00:25:47.900 drinking. It's harder than quitting opiates. 00:25:47.900 --> 00:25:50.819 It's harder than quitting anything else that 00:25:50.819 --> 00:25:53.559 she's done. I'm sure it's just as bad as quitting 00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:57.579 smoking. Oh. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, it's the same. 00:25:57.619 --> 00:26:00.119 It's kind of the same thing. It's nicotine. So 00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:02.359 it's like the same drug. And I would argue it's 00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:04.839 harder because like because it's more accessible. 00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:07.559 Yeah. A cigarette's like you have to go outside 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:10.140 and like it's a whole thing. A vape, you can 00:26:10.140 --> 00:26:12.920 just pick that thing up anywhere, which is half 00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:15.000 the struggle. Yeah. Because it's like it would 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:17.880 be so easy for me to just pick up a vape right 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:21.359 now. And for me, I feel like being pregnant made 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:24.019 it. A whole lot easier to quit because it's like 00:26:24.019 --> 00:26:28.019 not for me. It's for a baby. But oh, my God, 00:26:28.220 --> 00:26:31.640 it is so hard. Are you ready for reality roundup? 00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:34.539 I am. Before we jump into secret lives and Mormon 00:26:34.539 --> 00:26:38.559 wives, I want to talk about one Miss Larsa Pippen. 00:26:40.730 --> 00:26:44.250 I'm so over Larissa Pippen. I've been over her 00:26:44.250 --> 00:26:49.369 since 2012 when she was originally on Real Housewives 00:26:49.369 --> 00:26:52.009 of Miami. I just saw a tweet the other day before 00:26:52.009 --> 00:26:56.369 we get to your thing that was like, the trend 00:26:56.369 --> 00:26:58.509 now is not to look like a Kardashian. It's not 00:26:58.509 --> 00:27:01.509 to have an artificial hourglass figure and fillers 00:27:01.509 --> 00:27:04.710 until you pop. And the tweet I saw was a quote 00:27:04.710 --> 00:27:07.369 tweet of that saying, someone tell Larissa Pippen. 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:11.160 But actually, please don't tell Larson Pippen 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:16.400 that because she is unrecognizable from who she 00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:18.740 was. And you will never find someone that is 00:27:18.740 --> 00:27:21.180 more supportive of elective surgeries than I 00:27:21.180 --> 00:27:26.660 am. You have you have seen me go to Dr. Turkle's 00:27:26.660 --> 00:27:29.660 office in Carmel just to have consultations just 00:27:29.660 --> 00:27:34.680 for funsies. Oh, yeah. I'm super pro doing whatever 00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:38.019 you want to do to your body. Yes. To a point. 00:27:38.730 --> 00:27:40.970 OK, because there's also someone else I want 00:27:40.970 --> 00:27:43.029 to bring up on this point, and then we'll get 00:27:43.029 --> 00:27:47.329 back to Larsa Pippen. We just started Casa Amor 00:27:47.329 --> 00:27:52.390 in Love Island. Exactly. This woman is 21 years 00:27:52.390 --> 00:27:59.200 old and she looks. 35 easily because she is just 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:02.160 filled to the brim with filler. She has a body 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.420 you would not believe. I am sure she's in the 00:28:04.420 --> 00:28:07.160 gym every single day. She's never had a carb 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:09.940 in her life. But then she goes and fills her 00:28:09.940 --> 00:28:12.799 whole entire face with filler. And it's like 00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:17.160 no one's even looking at your body. No one is 00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:21.359 like it is hard to tell what you look like. I 00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:24.180 have a hard time with the filler because if you 00:28:24.180 --> 00:28:28.019 if you look at. The drag queens from RuPaul's 00:28:28.019 --> 00:28:30.660 Drag Race who it's it's always the all stars 00:28:30.660 --> 00:28:33.839 makeover that they do. So they have their original 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:38.079 seasons of Drag Race and then they get a Groupon 00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:43.900 to to a two for one filler special. And it is 00:28:43.900 --> 00:28:48.630 Juvederm and. It's it's a lot. There's a lot 00:28:48.630 --> 00:28:51.170 happening there. And I think the main problem 00:28:51.170 --> 00:28:54.329 is people doing it too early in life. But sure. 00:28:54.569 --> 00:28:57.369 But that's the thing is like you were overloaded. 00:28:57.369 --> 00:29:00.450 You were filled to the brim. And like it's it's 00:29:00.450 --> 00:29:04.210 the lips. It's the cheeks. It's the who. And 00:29:04.210 --> 00:29:07.009 that's fine. Like get get the filler. But like 00:29:07.009 --> 00:29:09.190 you were unrecognizable from who you were. Bringing 00:29:09.190 --> 00:29:11.750 me back to Larsa Pippen. If you look at side 00:29:11.750 --> 00:29:15.259 by sides of seasons. One and two of The Real 00:29:15.259 --> 00:29:18.779 Housewives of Miami and current seasons of The 00:29:18.779 --> 00:29:20.079 Real Housewives of Miami from where it's come 00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:23.059 back. She is you. You couldn't tell me that's 00:29:23.059 --> 00:29:26.240 the same person. Right. I know you want to know 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:29.240 who else is kind of going outside. Have you seen 00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:33.640 Adriana Lima? Yeah, that's hard. Why did you 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:37.799 do that? Why did you do that? Yeah, it's so hard 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:41.720 to watch because it's like. We've lost the idea 00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:44.599 of aging gracefully and we're trying to just 00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:48.440 not age at all. And that's not, that's not okay. 00:29:48.579 --> 00:29:53.160 That's not. But Bravo Insider today sent out, 00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:56.039 or I'm sorry, yesterday sent out a text to the 00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:59.579 Bravo Insider community saying, from public breakups 00:29:59.579 --> 00:30:01.940 to friendship feuds, Larsa Pippen's been through 00:30:01.940 --> 00:30:04.500 it all during her time on Real Houses of Miami. 00:30:05.529 --> 00:30:07.970 Now she's serving up advice exclusively for Bravo 00:30:07.970 --> 00:30:10.589 Insiders, and she's ready to answer your questions. 00:30:10.690 --> 00:30:14.109 Hit the link to send yours in. Do you want to 00:30:14.109 --> 00:30:17.710 know who I'd rather take advice from? RFK Jr. 00:30:17.970 --> 00:30:21.289 about my health. I would rather take advice from 00:30:21.289 --> 00:30:23.470 that snake in the Garden of Eden in the Bible. 00:30:23.769 --> 00:30:27.910 I would rather take advice from Dakota about 00:30:27.910 --> 00:30:32.140 how to. Manage a healthy relationship. Oh, yeah. 00:30:32.299 --> 00:30:34.980 I would rather take advice from Jack about how 00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:38.640 to remain quiet during a podcast sometimes. Right. 00:30:38.940 --> 00:30:41.900 Tet Hanks about how to keep your public image 00:30:41.900 --> 00:30:46.299 up. Yes. Yeah. Oh, my God. I'd rather. Who is 00:30:46.299 --> 00:30:49.019 looking for her advice? I'd rather take advice 00:30:49.019 --> 00:30:53.420 from Z -Way about how to. Have a take that people 00:30:53.420 --> 00:30:56.720 don't find funny. Yeah. About how to not be charming 00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:59.500 and wonderful. I've lost the plot a little bit 00:30:59.500 --> 00:31:02.000 here, but like you see what I'm saying? I just. 00:31:03.099 --> 00:31:06.039 And what it feels like Bravo is trying to do, 00:31:06.099 --> 00:31:07.880 and they've done this with a couple of other 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:11.440 housewives. Ramona is one that I'm thinking of 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:14.460 where they they push her just a little too hard. 00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:18.519 They push her to like. Because they've doubled 00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:20.000 down on her for the next season. And they're 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:21.440 like, we're stuck with her. We got to do something 00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:26.259 with her. So I do not like Larsa Pippen. When 00:31:26.259 --> 00:31:28.319 we start recapping The Real Housewives of Miami, 00:31:28.500 --> 00:31:31.819 you will see how viscerally I react to her. I 00:31:31.819 --> 00:31:34.200 cannot stand Larsa Pippen. You know who I would 00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:38.470 text for advice? Giselle. 100 % I would take 00:31:38.470 --> 00:31:40.609 advice from Giselle. I would love advice from 00:31:40.609 --> 00:31:41.690 Giselle. I've talked about her on the podcast 00:31:41.690 --> 00:31:45.630 already. I love her so much. If they sent me 00:31:45.630 --> 00:31:47.690 a text and they were like, do you have a question 00:31:47.690 --> 00:31:50.410 for Giselle Bryant? I would immediately text 00:31:50.410 --> 00:31:55.190 them back. One last one. I would rather take 00:31:55.190 --> 00:31:57.670 advice from Juan Dixon about how to be faithful 00:31:57.670 --> 00:32:04.279 to a beautiful woman. Poor Robin. Poor Robin. 00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:07.940 I love her. And he's so hot. Like, I get it. 00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:13.339 But, girl. So let's jump in. Yeah. Secret Lives 00:32:13.339 --> 00:32:16.500 of Mormon Wives. We're recapping episodes three 00:32:16.500 --> 00:32:22.079 and four today. Episode three. The Book of Retribution. 00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:25.200 We open up at the Halloween party where we left 00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:27.299 off. Where Taylor is screaming at Chase for being 00:32:27.299 --> 00:32:30.559 a liar. Which he deserves. While the guys are 00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:32.779 upstairs getting ready for their Chippendales 00:32:32.779 --> 00:32:37.400 dance. Chase deserves to get yelled at. Chase 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:40.960 deserves everything that comes to him. He can't 00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:46.880 own shit. And I thought it was so funny, actually, 00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:49.380 the like difference in vibes when they would 00:32:49.380 --> 00:32:51.500 like cut to upstairs when they were like practicing 00:32:51.500 --> 00:32:54.200 with their Chippendales guy versus Taylor being 00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:58.890 like, you disgusting. You trash. You're stupid. 00:32:59.069 --> 00:33:03.240 You're trash. I loved it. I loved it. That's 00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:06.119 excellent television. Miranda runs over to comfort 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:08.440 Chase's new girlfriend, which I honestly, I think 00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:11.539 it's impressive. And I think I like her because 00:33:11.539 --> 00:33:14.779 that has to take some level of security and confidence 00:33:14.779 --> 00:33:17.700 in yourself to be like, oh, I'm going to go comfort 00:33:17.700 --> 00:33:21.319 this girl. That girl needs help. And I felt so 00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:25.359 bad for his girlfriend because that's such an 00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:27.279 awkward position to be in where like everyone 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:30.099 is yelling at your man. You've stepped out publicly 00:33:30.099 --> 00:33:34.710 now like you're on. on tv with him and now you 00:33:34.710 --> 00:33:36.829 just you're talking about his affairs and his 00:33:36.829 --> 00:33:39.309 swinging and also his ex -wife is there and like 00:33:39.309 --> 00:33:42.970 it's just oh i can't imagine being in her position 00:33:42.970 --> 00:33:47.910 like that is so i feel bad for her and i feel 00:33:47.910 --> 00:33:49.890 like this girl is probably a really sweet girl 00:33:49.890 --> 00:33:53.609 this is i feel like this is chase's mo is he 00:33:53.609 --> 00:33:58.700 finds a very pretty girl probably fresh out of 00:33:58.700 --> 00:34:02.240 the church and says, I'm going to get her. I 00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:04.819 have a feeling he's finding his women at church. 00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:09.639 Oh, probably. So Layla, who dated Chase for like 00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:12.400 a month, goes, goes to him and like says, no 00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:14.179 one wants to hear. Fuck you. This is not what 00:34:14.179 --> 00:34:16.960 we're. This is your trash, basically. And then 00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:19.179 he's like, don't don't tell me what to do. And 00:34:19.179 --> 00:34:20.760 then she goes, go talk shit about this on your 00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:22.679 podcast. And he goes, don't make fun of my podcast. 00:34:25.230 --> 00:34:28.389 I loved that part. I thought that was so funny. 00:34:28.590 --> 00:34:32.610 That was so funny. I didn't know he had a podcast, 00:34:32.670 --> 00:34:37.110 but I love that for him. I mean, he doesn't deserve 00:34:37.110 --> 00:34:39.929 one, but here we are. Here we are on a podcast. 00:34:40.309 --> 00:34:44.610 Yeah. I feel like Taylor doesn't have to get 00:34:44.610 --> 00:34:48.690 ready because she stays ready to fight. I wouldn't 00:34:48.690 --> 00:34:52.210 call Taylor a hothead because I really do feel 00:34:52.210 --> 00:34:56.320 like. she just gets really worked up. Like I 00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:58.500 can almost commiserate with her where it's like 00:34:58.500 --> 00:35:02.000 someone says something and then you just can't 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:05.059 let it go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. And you 00:35:05.059 --> 00:35:08.760 and I are both that way though. Yeah. Well, and, 00:35:08.900 --> 00:35:11.239 and I get where she's coming from because she 00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:14.599 goes on to say that she just wanted Dakota to 00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:18.590 be on her side. I. Could not be more on her side 00:35:18.590 --> 00:35:21.389 about that. I feel the same way. Yes. However 00:35:21.389 --> 00:35:24.909 you feel about the Taylor and Chase thing, Dakota 00:35:24.909 --> 00:35:27.869 has been allegedly trying to win her over this 00:35:27.869 --> 00:35:31.809 whole time and is talking to Chase and immediately 00:35:31.809 --> 00:35:34.250 takes Chase's side. Yes. Over Taylor. I agree. 00:35:34.789 --> 00:35:39.369 Come on. I just don't get it. I don't get it. 00:35:41.050 --> 00:35:43.630 Miranda goes up to Chase and this is where I 00:35:43.630 --> 00:35:45.610 really, really started to appreciate Miranda 00:35:45.610 --> 00:35:47.690 because she goes up and she goes, we're not doing 00:35:47.690 --> 00:35:51.670 this. Get out. Get out. And I was like, oh, I 00:35:51.670 --> 00:35:55.150 like her. OK. And then if you look at Chase's 00:35:55.150 --> 00:35:58.210 new girlfriend, she's she either just looks cold 00:35:58.210 --> 00:36:00.889 or uncomfortable. Like she's like doubled over 00:36:00.889 --> 00:36:04.510 in that little dress and she's just like cold. 00:36:05.419 --> 00:36:09.340 I felt bad for her again. I did. Cause it's like, 00:36:09.380 --> 00:36:11.800 what do you do? You're on TV. You don't even 00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:15.380 really like, this is your boyfriend, but like, 00:36:15.380 --> 00:36:21.099 it's hard, but she immediately storms out and 00:36:21.099 --> 00:36:22.679 she goes, I hate him. I hate him. I hate him. 00:36:22.739 --> 00:36:26.599 And I was like, I get it. Yeah. And I feel like 00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:29.000 Miranda knows his antics. And so she was like, 00:36:29.059 --> 00:36:31.260 no, you're not going to do this here. No. Yeah. 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:34.539 But I, I bet she's been through it. A million 00:36:34.539 --> 00:36:38.119 times. Every single day, probably. And I'm so 00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:41.000 glad they got a divorce. She deserves so much 00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:44.320 better than that trash man. I agree. So then 00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:50.579 Chase goes after, what's her name? Kate. Yeah. 00:36:50.659 --> 00:36:52.579 The new girlfriend's Kate. Chase goes after Kate 00:36:52.579 --> 00:36:58.780 and Demi's poking the bear a little bit and Chase 00:36:58.780 --> 00:37:02.800 walks by Demi and I guess pokes her. I don't, 00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:06.050 I don't. Here's what happened. I remember it 00:37:06.050 --> 00:37:10.329 clear as day. Demi goes, where's your girlfriend, 00:37:10.469 --> 00:37:12.429 Chase? You need to go after your girlfriend. 00:37:12.690 --> 00:37:16.150 Yes. He comes up, kind of touches her waist and 00:37:16.150 --> 00:37:20.329 goes, oh, well, where's your husband? Type of 00:37:20.329 --> 00:37:25.119 thing. Okay. I don't... Okay. The way she blew 00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:28.920 it out of proportion was crazy. Well... Because 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.019 she goes upstairs, right? Yeah. And she goes, 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:35.059 Brett, Chase touched me. No, that's not what 00:37:35.059 --> 00:37:38.559 Demi said. Demi runs upstairs and goes, Chase 00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:42.260 put his hands on me. Oh. She knew what she was 00:37:42.260 --> 00:37:45.980 doing. She knew exactly... However, yeah, I think 00:37:45.980 --> 00:37:48.579 it was... Yeah, you're right. Put his hands on 00:37:48.579 --> 00:37:54.469 me. She... Blew that so far out of proportion. 00:37:55.489 --> 00:38:01.349 It's on video. He didn't grab her ass. He didn't 00:38:01.349 --> 00:38:06.710 pull her hair. He simply touched her as he passed 00:38:06.710 --> 00:38:12.050 through a tight space. What? OK, I I think there's 00:38:12.050 --> 00:38:14.230 a place to be met in the middle here where I 00:38:14.230 --> 00:38:17.150 think he was doing it in an incredibly condescending 00:38:17.150 --> 00:38:22.099 way. I think he was like, where's your man? 100%. 00:38:22.099 --> 00:38:25.280 But I think him saying, where's your man and 00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:28.440 touching her to get by were two separate things. 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.579 I agree. I don't think he like grabbed her and 00:38:32.579 --> 00:38:35.000 caressed her and then said, where's your man? 00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:39.699 I think he was getting past and then responded 00:38:39.699 --> 00:38:43.039 to her snarky thing by saying his snarky thing. 00:38:43.139 --> 00:38:47.619 Yes. And I hate Chase, so I hate that it sounds 00:38:47.619 --> 00:38:50.460 like I'm defending him, but God damn, Demi. I 00:38:50.460 --> 00:38:53.960 agree. So Demi runs upstairs. Chase put his hands 00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:57.079 on me. Chase put his hands on me. Brett does 00:38:57.079 --> 00:38:59.960 what Brett is supposed to do. Yeah, Brett's not 00:38:59.960 --> 00:39:01.980 in the wrong for that at all, to be so clear. 00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:04.760 Brett moves into action and says, I'm going to 00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:09.119 kill someone. I love a man who's a man. I do 00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:13.539 too, actually. And he runs outside in his little 00:39:13.539 --> 00:39:17.619 Chippendales outfit. And he's screaming at Chase. 00:39:18.099 --> 00:39:20.820 Chase didn't know what he was getting into. And 00:39:20.820 --> 00:39:24.019 he is scared for his life in this moment. You 00:39:24.019 --> 00:39:27.360 can see it happening. Yeah. I feel like he genuinely 00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.300 didn't know what the fuck Brett was on about, 00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:32.920 like for the first four or five seconds. And 00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:35.199 then he put it together and was like, oh, what 00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:38.739 the fuck? Yeah. You know, and I would be scared 00:39:38.739 --> 00:39:41.800 of Brett, too. Oh, 100%. Can we talk about how 00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:44.599 hot it is that he's out there in a little Speedo 00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:48.000 about to kill a man? They were in Speedos. They 00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.820 were in little pants. Oh. I thought they were 00:39:50.820 --> 00:39:54.579 in, like, little tiny... No. Oh. No. They were 00:39:54.579 --> 00:39:56.320 in pants. I thought it was hot that he was in 00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:59.659 his little Chippendales suit about to kill somebody. 00:39:59.900 --> 00:40:03.320 I thought that was so hot. Oh, 100%. But, like, 00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:06.940 also... That level of rage, I wasn't expecting. 00:40:07.059 --> 00:40:12.099 But what I also didn't expect was Jordan. When 00:40:12.099 --> 00:40:16.059 Chase goes up to start apologizing to Demi, Jordan 00:40:16.059 --> 00:40:19.179 comes up and goes, take ownership, take owner, 00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:21.360 like just screaming. And I was like, what are 00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:24.360 you doing? Who are you being right now? And I 00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:26.539 have a feeling this is the reason the cops get 00:40:26.539 --> 00:40:31.190 called. It's all the screaming. I'm sure they're 00:40:31.190 --> 00:40:33.489 in one of those richy, rich, rich neighborhoods. 00:40:33.730 --> 00:40:35.829 And someone was in their house and they were 00:40:35.829 --> 00:40:38.409 like, my property taxes are too high for this. 00:40:38.550 --> 00:40:45.670 And they called the police. Yes. So the cops 00:40:45.670 --> 00:40:48.849 show up. Jesse goes outside and literally says 00:40:48.849 --> 00:40:51.739 to the cop. Have you ever seen Secret Life? That 00:40:51.739 --> 00:40:56.780 is the moment I was dying for you to see. That's 00:40:56.780 --> 00:40:59.980 the funniest shit I've ever seen. Because she 00:40:59.980 --> 00:41:02.739 says that would have been the easiest way to 00:41:02.739 --> 00:41:05.019 explain it to you. No, but like that's the thing 00:41:05.019 --> 00:41:07.280 is like if the cop would have been like, oh, 00:41:07.380 --> 00:41:10.079 got it. Yeah, it would have cleared everything 00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:12.960 up immediately. But the way she said it, like, 00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.760 have you ever seen it? Like, obviously, that's 00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:20.650 what's happening. Like, Jesus Christ. That was 00:41:20.650 --> 00:41:23.349 the funniest thing she could have said. The funniest 00:41:23.349 --> 00:41:27.989 thing. And also, like, not to dick ride her, 00:41:28.230 --> 00:41:33.230 but I feel like it's a fair question because 00:41:33.230 --> 00:41:35.349 then you, because you also have to explain why 00:41:35.349 --> 00:41:38.090 there are so many cameras there and vans and. 00:41:38.170 --> 00:41:40.909 Oh, sure. You know, like, that's not a typical 00:41:40.909 --> 00:41:43.590 thing either. Like, you don't want them to think 00:41:43.590 --> 00:41:46.670 you're filming an orgy. You know what I mean? 00:41:46.730 --> 00:41:50.489 Well, that, but like, also. Behind the scenes 00:41:50.489 --> 00:41:54.389 of it, the cops show up. The Secret Lives of 00:41:54.389 --> 00:41:56.050 Mormon Lives and Real Housewives of Salt Lake 00:41:56.050 --> 00:41:58.829 City are the two shows that are, like, being 00:41:58.829 --> 00:42:03.730 filmed in Salt Lake City right now. And the cops 00:42:03.730 --> 00:42:07.789 have to know, like, some of this stuff is going 00:42:07.789 --> 00:42:11.369 to get played up. They also signed releases to 00:42:11.369 --> 00:42:14.929 be on the TV. Oh, yeah, because their faces weren't 00:42:14.929 --> 00:42:19.809 blurred. Yeah. So, like, let's. They knew before 00:42:19.809 --> 00:42:22.730 they got to her front door that this was for 00:42:22.730 --> 00:42:28.110 TV. I just think because they it's two men fighting 00:42:28.110 --> 00:42:30.929 each other. They have to be like, oh, sure. Please, 00:42:30.929 --> 00:42:35.210 nobody get injured. Please, nobody die. Please. 00:42:36.619 --> 00:42:40.420 Like, I get it. Yeah, I do, to some extent. And 00:42:40.420 --> 00:42:42.320 it's not like they came inside the house and 00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:46.500 were like, they left. So the cops leave. Chippendales 00:42:46.500 --> 00:42:49.219 part two happens and it's the most uncomfortable 00:42:49.219 --> 00:42:52.800 thing anyone has ever had to sit through. So 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:56.300 awkward. Just Zach with full on venom in his 00:42:56.300 --> 00:42:59.960 eyes the whole time. And he was sad. Yeah, like 00:42:59.960 --> 00:43:02.619 you could. He was sad and he was mad. Like there 00:43:02.619 --> 00:43:04.579 were two emotions happening there. And that was 00:43:04.579 --> 00:43:08.159 very clear. I had a problem. I had a very serious 00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:10.300 problem with Demi saying this is a chance for 00:43:10.300 --> 00:43:13.760 Zach to redeem himself. I know. I didn't like 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:17.099 that at all. I know. And this is where I turn 00:43:17.099 --> 00:43:22.460 on Demi. Oh, I already told you she's the villain. 00:43:22.619 --> 00:43:25.260 Yeah. She's the villain this season for absolute 00:43:25.260 --> 00:43:30.110 sure. And it. Only gets worse. I would also like 00:43:30.110 --> 00:43:32.130 to talk about Demi and Brett's relationship at 00:43:32.130 --> 00:43:34.989 some point. I don't know if now's the time. OK. 00:43:37.090 --> 00:43:40.289 I haven't seen anything yet that would tell me 00:43:40.289 --> 00:43:43.010 something's wrong, but I have a feeling it's 00:43:43.010 --> 00:43:47.110 coming fast and quick. He knew her when she was 00:43:47.110 --> 00:43:51.989 10 years old and he was in his late 20s. Oh, 00:43:51.989 --> 00:43:59.739 so. Yeah. I don't know where to put that. Yeah. 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:04.960 Makes me think that he's less hot. He's physically 00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:08.039 so hot. Would I ever want to get to know him? 00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:11.320 No. Was he involved with the church? Probably. 00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:16.679 I know he's a Mormon. Okay. So I'm going to tell 00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:18.079 you right now, you'd be shocked at how often 00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:21.420 that happens in the church. Oh, I. I've had my 00:44:21.420 --> 00:44:24.019 fair share of youth pastors flirt with me in 00:44:24.019 --> 00:44:26.659 my teenagerdom. No, but I'm saying, like, people 00:44:26.659 --> 00:44:30.059 that know children from a very, very, very young 00:44:30.059 --> 00:44:32.019 age and then they end up together, like, and 00:44:32.019 --> 00:44:35.440 the man's much older. Like, it's fairly common 00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:38.039 in the Nazarene church, too. It's so gross. It's 00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:41.119 gross. So the Chippendales dance is happening. 00:44:42.449 --> 00:44:45.110 Jordan, bless his perfect little heart, seemed 00:44:45.110 --> 00:44:48.030 like he was actually like earnestly trying. Yeah, 00:44:48.090 --> 00:44:51.090 I thought he was so cute. Like his whole thing 00:44:51.090 --> 00:44:53.409 was so cute. And I and I think they all were 00:44:53.409 --> 00:44:59.650 very like still respectful. You know, like they 00:44:59.650 --> 00:45:02.090 weren't like real Chippendales where they were 00:45:02.090 --> 00:45:05.670 like grinding up on her and like making out with 00:45:05.670 --> 00:45:07.710 her like they didn't do that. The problem that 00:45:07.710 --> 00:45:11.570 I have. And this is how it should have been handled. 00:45:12.610 --> 00:45:21.730 Brett should have brought Demi up. The real Chippendales 00:45:21.730 --> 00:45:25.690 dancer should have brought Taylor up. Well, no, 00:45:25.769 --> 00:45:27.829 Layla's not. Taylor's the only single one. Taylor 00:45:27.829 --> 00:45:31.010 and Miranda. He brought one of them up. And then 00:45:31.010 --> 00:45:36.050 Jordan should have brought Jessie up. Dance with 00:45:36.050 --> 00:45:39.219 them. Why doesn't... I wish they would have asked 00:45:39.219 --> 00:45:41.739 Zach to be a part of it. I feel like that would 00:45:41.739 --> 00:45:45.679 have fixed the whole problem. If they would have 00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:50.139 said, let's exposure therapy Zach by putting 00:45:50.139 --> 00:45:53.980 him in it quite literally. Yes. Instead of let's 00:45:53.980 --> 00:45:56.980 do exposure therapy by making him watch. Like 00:45:56.980 --> 00:45:58.300 that's so much worse. I thought that was gross. 00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.820 I thought that was so gross. Yeah. Like put on 00:46:00.820 --> 00:46:04.550 a show for your wives. That's fine. I was on 00:46:04.550 --> 00:46:07.050 Zach's side about like about being upset about 00:46:07.050 --> 00:46:10.170 it. I like not about where it ends up, but I 00:46:10.170 --> 00:46:16.190 agree that this was mean. Yeah. And the part 00:46:16.190 --> 00:46:18.750 that really you're not there yet. I won't ruin 00:46:18.750 --> 00:46:23.889 it for you. But yeah, I don't know. Obviously, 00:46:23.889 --> 00:46:28.389 he overreacts and we'll get into that. But it 00:46:28.389 --> 00:46:31.960 was a weird thing for them to do. It was the 00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:36.940 whole thing was very weird. And I have I have 00:46:36.940 --> 00:46:40.000 a lot of thoughts because we get to how much 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:41.840 did. Yeah, we get to that. We get to how much 00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:44.280 did Jen know? I'm going to have a lot of feelings 00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:51.849 about that. I know. Yeah. So. It's so tough, 00:46:51.869 --> 00:46:53.650 too, because it's like I feel like they were 00:46:53.650 --> 00:46:55.949 just trying to have fun and they flew in a Chippendales 00:46:55.949 --> 00:46:59.409 gun, whatever. It's like, why did you spend some 00:46:59.409 --> 00:47:01.769 real money here? Like, yeah. Do you think it 00:47:01.769 --> 00:47:06.150 was production's idea or theirs? I have a feeling. 00:47:06.650 --> 00:47:09.730 So what I know about Real Housewives and I keep 00:47:09.730 --> 00:47:11.050 going back to Real Housewives because that's 00:47:11.050 --> 00:47:12.550 my frame of reference. But what I know about 00:47:12.550 --> 00:47:15.289 Real Housewives is like they the Housewives all 00:47:15.289 --> 00:47:18.469 present ideas and production will let ideas through. 00:47:20.179 --> 00:47:22.500 Production, from what I understand, does not 00:47:22.500 --> 00:47:26.440 say do this so we can get this reaction. It's 00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:29.539 all it's all supposed to be natural. I'll bet 00:47:29.539 --> 00:47:34.039 you actual money that Jesse and Demi said, do 00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:36.340 you know what would be so funny? And the production 00:47:36.340 --> 00:47:39.280 was like, well, we'll pay to fly in a Chippendales 00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:42.320 answer. Let's do it. A hundred percent. A hundred 00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:48.929 percent. OK. Yeah. So we get to. We were done 00:47:48.929 --> 00:47:51.250 with that scene. Zach's furious. That's that's 00:47:51.250 --> 00:47:53.429 the long and short of it. We go to Halloween 00:47:53.429 --> 00:47:55.789 with Michaela. I don't know if I fuck with Michaela. 00:47:56.250 --> 00:47:59.929 I like her, but I don't know that I did at this 00:47:59.929 --> 00:48:02.570 point in the season. Does she does she start 00:48:02.570 --> 00:48:05.969 to grow on? Yeah, I think so. She's kind of like 00:48:05.969 --> 00:48:13.090 awkward. I agree. Yeah. Like she's not. I don't 00:48:13.090 --> 00:48:14.969 I don't want to sound mean. I don't want to sound 00:48:14.969 --> 00:48:17.489 mean. I was about to say she's not like built 00:48:17.489 --> 00:48:20.630 for reality TV. No. Because I feel like the type 00:48:20.630 --> 00:48:23.170 of person, I'm not either. The type of person 00:48:23.170 --> 00:48:27.210 who's built for reality TV is like instantly 00:48:27.210 --> 00:48:30.650 likable. You instantly connect with them and 00:48:30.650 --> 00:48:33.710 you get them. And that's just not really her. 00:48:33.849 --> 00:48:38.489 Like it takes some growing. Yes. So like, anyway. 00:48:39.010 --> 00:48:42.289 Her sisters show up at her house dressed as. 00:48:42.940 --> 00:48:47.300 Her and Whitney. So confusing. I thought that 00:48:47.300 --> 00:48:51.400 was so weird. That was. What I feel like is happening 00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:53.500 here is I think the sisters are trying to get 00:48:53.500 --> 00:48:55.800 on the show. Yeah, I think it was. They thought 00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:57.599 it would be funny on the show, but it just came 00:48:57.599 --> 00:48:59.940 off as like bizarre. Yeah, the whole thing was 00:48:59.940 --> 00:49:02.780 weird to me. Michaela opens up about her chronic 00:49:02.780 --> 00:49:10.059 health issue, i .e. eczema. Yeah. OK. And like 00:49:10.059 --> 00:49:13.659 to her defense, she like. Was in the hospital 00:49:13.659 --> 00:49:16.760 for a while because it got, like, so bad. And 00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:19.659 it was all over her body. And she really had 00:49:19.659 --> 00:49:22.320 trouble handling it. And I can't imagine being 00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.440 an influencer, like, needing to post all the 00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:31.019 time and being covered in red spots. That's fair. 00:49:31.300 --> 00:49:34.519 However. However. Yeah. The way she presented 00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:36.760 it. You're sitting across from someone that lives 00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:40.340 with psoriasis. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I know. 00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:48.530 Which is. almost bar for bar, exactly like eczema. 00:49:48.869 --> 00:49:57.630 Yeah. I will say, because all I can picture in 00:49:57.630 --> 00:50:00.329 my head right now are the videos of it literally 00:50:00.329 --> 00:50:03.829 all over her body. Yes. On her stomach, her face, 00:50:03.849 --> 00:50:06.289 her arms, her legs, everywhere. I've lived it. 00:50:06.309 --> 00:50:09.650 I get it. It's hard. I 100 % get it. And so... 00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:15.500 But the way she presented it in season one, I 00:50:15.500 --> 00:50:21.000 think is why I have a problem because it's so 00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:27.139 dramatic. Yes. You're not like stuck in a bed. 00:50:27.219 --> 00:50:30.219 You don't have Crohn's disease. Right. Get off 00:50:30.219 --> 00:50:32.800 the cross. You can eat, you can drink, you can 00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:36.659 take care of your children, even when it's uncomfortable. 00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:40.639 Right. It's also... I get that you're itchy, 00:50:40.780 --> 00:50:45.739 girl, but, like, ugh. I don't know. Yeah, like, 00:50:45.780 --> 00:50:48.159 I do think she should have had some kind of, 00:50:48.179 --> 00:50:52.840 like, compassion for people with chronic illnesses 00:50:52.840 --> 00:51:00.219 that are not eczema. Because, like... And now 00:51:00.219 --> 00:51:02.659 she has it under control. Thank God. And what 00:51:02.659 --> 00:51:07.280 a day the Lord has made. She opens up about being 00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:10.219 sexually abused, which I feel like that was very 00:51:10.219 --> 00:51:14.440 brave of her. Yeah. And not expected. I did not 00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:16.300 expect that from her. I didn't expect the scene 00:51:16.300 --> 00:51:19.300 to go there at all. And I guess she originally 00:51:19.300 --> 00:51:22.280 told her mom I didn't believe her. And I feel 00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:24.460 like that's a story that happens way, way, way 00:51:24.460 --> 00:51:27.920 too often, which really fucking sucks. It really 00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:31.320 broke my heart to hear. Yeah. That is so hard, 00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:35.079 especially to know, like, the time frame that 00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:40.579 she said she was, like, 9, 10, 11, 12 -ish. And 00:51:40.579 --> 00:51:42.380 then she went on to have a baby when she was 00:51:42.380 --> 00:51:49.460 16. And I think that stems from that. Because, 00:51:49.539 --> 00:51:54.320 like, hypersexuality is, like, a huge thing for 00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:57.920 kids who were abused. I don't know. It's just 00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:00.039 really sad. It feels like all of her adolescence 00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:03.340 was kind of stolen from her. I agree. And that 00:52:03.340 --> 00:52:04.840 really fucking sucks. And I can separate that 00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:06.800 from, like, not knowing if I really like her 00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:09.360 right now. Oh, yeah. I think this was very, very 00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:12.599 brave of her. She is a victim in that circumstance. 00:52:13.099 --> 00:52:17.239 And that's so sad. And, yeah, brave to say that 00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:19.599 on reality TV when you know millions of people 00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:23.559 are watching. Mm -hmm. Good for you for standing 00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:26.320 on your shit. Good for you. Even when your mom 00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:31.360 wouldn't believe you. That's so sad. Jen and 00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:36.900 Zach go for a walk. The most staged walk I've 00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:40.019 ever seen in my whole life, by the way. That 00:52:40.019 --> 00:52:44.400 was hard. Like a script was written, truly. Well, 00:52:44.460 --> 00:52:46.900 I think Jen wrote a script and Zach said, I don't 00:52:46.900 --> 00:52:52.030 want to read this. 100%. She knew how she wanted 00:52:52.030 --> 00:52:56.730 that talk to go. And Zach said, uh -uh. Thank 00:52:56.730 --> 00:53:00.409 you. Okay. So they unpack the Chippendales dance. 00:53:00.710 --> 00:53:06.210 Jen starts by saying, I didn't know what was 00:53:06.210 --> 00:53:09.570 going to happen. And then she says, well, the 00:53:09.570 --> 00:53:11.590 girls were making jokes about it. I didn't think 00:53:11.590 --> 00:53:13.269 anything was going to happen. Wait a minute. 00:53:13.769 --> 00:53:16.750 Wait a minute. No. Did you know or were the girls 00:53:16.750 --> 00:53:19.170 joking about it? Did you have reason to believe 00:53:19.170 --> 00:53:21.929 that something could happen, Jen? Are you lying, 00:53:22.269 --> 00:53:26.909 Jen? And then it tears away to the footage of 00:53:26.909 --> 00:53:30.130 her getting her hair done and Jesse and Demi 00:53:30.130 --> 00:53:35.610 saying, hey, we want to run this by you. We're 00:53:35.610 --> 00:53:38.909 going to do like a quasi Chippendales dance. 00:53:39.030 --> 00:53:43.559 Well, hang on. To be fair. Jesse said to Demi, 00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:46.980 I think I'm going to have the guys dress up as 00:53:46.980 --> 00:53:49.000 Chippendales dancers and have them do a tearaway. 00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:52.079 And it's going to be a Chippendales costume. 00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:53.480 They're going to show up in regular costumes. 00:53:53.619 --> 00:53:56.780 It's going to be so funny. That's what we saw 00:53:56.780 --> 00:53:59.760 in the flashback. OK, I feel like there's more 00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:02.300 to that because I distinctly remember maybe they 00:54:02.300 --> 00:54:06.400 haven't shown it yet, but they like ask her bar 00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:09.559 for bar. Do you think you guys would be OK with 00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:12.489 that? You guys being. I have a feeling that's 00:54:12.489 --> 00:54:17.869 coming later. Yeah, like they're not like she 00:54:17.869 --> 00:54:22.510 says, yes, there's not like any. Well, so I think 00:54:22.510 --> 00:54:28.309 what we're coming to is realizing that. Jen has 00:54:28.309 --> 00:54:31.130 a hard time telling the truth to multiple people. 00:54:31.389 --> 00:54:34.070 Yes, she does. And I think this is where it's 00:54:34.070 --> 00:54:35.469 going to come out, because I haven't seen the 00:54:35.469 --> 00:54:37.909 part where that comes out yet. I've only seen 00:54:37.909 --> 00:54:40.269 the part where. Demi's in the chair getting her 00:54:40.269 --> 00:54:43.949 hair done and I'm sorry, Jen's in the chair getting 00:54:43.949 --> 00:54:46.349 her hair done. And Jesse says, hey, what if we 00:54:46.349 --> 00:54:50.269 did this? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe they're maybe 00:54:50.269 --> 00:54:53.250 I'm misremembering or they show more later on. 00:54:53.429 --> 00:54:57.150 But there was no like question about it. Jen 00:54:57.150 --> 00:55:01.690 said she was cool with it, period. And she defends, 00:55:01.690 --> 00:55:06.239 defends, defends. the whole way through yes but 00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:09.800 it's like girl okay i get being a people pleaser 00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:13.300 jen i do but it's not being a people pleaser 00:55:13.300 --> 00:55:16.539 though this is not what that is lying is not 00:55:16.539 --> 00:55:19.780 making anyone happy right like you're not pleasing 00:55:19.780 --> 00:55:24.559 anyone by lying yeah and and i feel like she 00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:29.429 thinks that The absence of truth is not a lie. 00:55:29.570 --> 00:55:31.969 Like if she just doesn't say anything to Zach, 00:55:32.050 --> 00:55:38.510 then it's not a lie. But it is, you know. But 00:55:38.510 --> 00:55:43.389 it's not the absence of truth. It's just telling 00:55:43.389 --> 00:55:48.820 an abject lie. Yeah. Well, I mean, like she should 00:55:48.820 --> 00:55:51.260 have told Zach before because she knew before. 00:55:51.300 --> 00:55:54.340 I agree. And that's the first time to me where 00:55:54.340 --> 00:55:57.280 she's lying. Right. Because because she thinks 00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:01.920 just not telling him is the way to go. And I 00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:04.639 just completely disagree, especially when that's 00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:09.199 your husband. And then to go on and talk to your 00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:15.139 husband and say. Well, you're just putting me 00:56:15.139 --> 00:56:19.880 in a situation where I have to pick between my 00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:23.900 job and my husband, essentially. Well, she's 00:56:23.900 --> 00:56:28.460 saying that she feels like she has to pick between 00:56:28.460 --> 00:56:32.820 mom talk and her marriage. And I feel like what's 00:56:32.820 --> 00:56:35.019 not being said here is I feel like Zach probably 00:56:35.019 --> 00:56:37.599 said behind the scenes, it's me or the show. 00:56:38.539 --> 00:56:43.630 Because I feel like, well, I feel like. I feel 00:56:43.630 --> 00:56:47.010 like he blames the show for humiliating him in 00:56:47.010 --> 00:56:51.730 his marriage. I feel like he... I just feel like 00:56:51.730 --> 00:56:53.150 that's what was said. That's just where we're 00:56:53.150 --> 00:56:56.650 at. They're not saying that on camera. I didn't 00:56:56.650 --> 00:56:59.289 take it like that. I thought that it was more 00:56:59.289 --> 00:57:04.050 she was saying, this group of women that I do 00:57:04.050 --> 00:57:07.889 this with... Wants to do this, that and the other. 00:57:08.269 --> 00:57:11.590 And my husband isn't OK with me doing any of 00:57:11.590 --> 00:57:15.429 that stuff. So now I have to choose between being 00:57:15.429 --> 00:57:18.309 friends with them and making these stupid videos 00:57:18.309 --> 00:57:21.889 and whatever. Sure. Or being married to you. 00:57:23.130 --> 00:57:26.289 Yeah, I agree. That's kind of how I took it. 00:57:26.329 --> 00:57:28.650 I don't know. That's fair. And I can see being 00:57:28.650 --> 00:57:30.650 in that position where it's like you have one 00:57:30.650 --> 00:57:33.960 group of people saying, let's go out. Let's do 00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:36.699 Chippendales. Let's drink. And then on the other 00:57:36.699 --> 00:57:40.440 side, you have your husband being like, you need 00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:45.440 to be a submissive woman. Right. Right. I agree. 00:57:45.900 --> 00:57:51.139 It's hard. I don't think they should have come 00:57:51.139 --> 00:57:53.460 on the show. I think if they were already having 00:57:53.460 --> 00:57:55.019 issues in their marriage, they should not have 00:57:55.019 --> 00:57:57.369 come on the show. I don't. And I'll say that 00:57:57.369 --> 00:58:00.389 for all of reality TV. Oh, yeah. All of these 00:58:00.389 --> 00:58:02.909 marriages that are on the rocks need to stay 00:58:02.909 --> 00:58:06.449 off of reality TV, especially if you're not okay 00:58:06.449 --> 00:58:12.329 with airing all your shit. Whitney has her baby. 00:58:13.469 --> 00:58:17.829 Yay. This is a lavender marriage, right? Oh, 00:58:17.849 --> 00:58:21.389 well, I sent you that video of Zach pinning Whitney's 00:58:21.389 --> 00:58:23.769 husband up against the wall, right? Oh, yeah. 00:58:23.969 --> 00:58:30.619 Yeah. That's hard. This is hard. It's hard to 00:58:30.619 --> 00:58:35.239 watch. And when she had her baby, is it sick 00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:37.260 that all I could think of is that one time when 00:58:37.260 --> 00:58:40.059 she made a tick tock by her sick baby in the 00:58:40.059 --> 00:58:42.159 hospital? Do you remember that? Yes. She got 00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:49.840 canceled for that. Yes. That's. Yeah. OK. Yeah. 00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:52.719 Not much to say on that. Congratulations. You 00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:56.090 had a baby. Love that. Everyone goes to a farm 00:58:56.090 --> 00:58:59.210 situation with their kids. Jen doesn't go because 00:58:59.210 --> 00:59:06.230 she's depressed. That Ferris wheel. Being so 00:59:06.230 --> 00:59:08.550 comfortable in that Ferris wheel was wild to 00:59:08.550 --> 00:59:12.190 me because you. I'd rather go on wagon wheel. 00:59:12.250 --> 00:59:20.519 Watch you see. I don't know. I'm not a big. Ferris 00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:22.800 wheel girl. That's the thing. I'll go to like 00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:25.500 Kings Island, Six Flags, Cedar Point and like 00:59:25.500 --> 00:59:27.820 those roller coasters and be fine. Yeah. But 00:59:27.820 --> 00:59:30.619 fair rides freak me out. Yeah, because they're 00:59:30.619 --> 00:59:33.079 just like set up and like. Yeah, they're rickety. 00:59:33.260 --> 00:59:37.300 Yeah. Like, do I really trust that you guys tighten 00:59:37.300 --> 00:59:42.599 the bolts all the way this time? No. The girls 00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:45.059 all kind of agree that Jen is a little bit rotten 00:59:45.059 --> 00:59:51.369 and. See, we're getting very close to a point 00:59:51.369 --> 00:59:54.670 where I have to tell you that I feel for Jen. 00:59:55.610 --> 00:59:59.750 Okay. Because she, I don't want to tell you until 00:59:59.750 --> 01:00:06.190 after Whitney goes to her house. Okay. We're 01:00:06.190 --> 01:00:08.409 not there yet. We'll get into that later. But 01:00:08.409 --> 01:00:10.630 yeah, they go to the farm. They're on the Ferris 01:00:10.630 --> 01:00:14.760 wheel. They all hate Jen. Some of the girls go 01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:16.599 through a corn maze while Taylor and Miranda 01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:19.579 go to chat. And then Taylor wants to be completely 01:00:19.579 --> 01:00:24.800 honest about the situation and. Or about the 01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:28.300 swinging situation, and I feel like Miranda and 01:00:28.300 --> 01:00:30.360 Taylor should have gotten together ahead of the 01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:34.360 situation and chatted and said, this is what 01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:36.500 I'm going to say on camera and they should have 01:00:36.500 --> 01:00:38.739 compromised. That's what I feel like should have 01:00:38.739 --> 01:00:42.800 happened. I feel like Taylor and I kind of love 01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:45.420 her for this wouldn't have ever let that happen 01:00:45.420 --> 01:00:49.000 like she's the one that I feel like no I'm gonna 01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:51.159 say what I want to say and I'm gonna say it on 01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:56.010 TV You know, I see that from her more than Miranda. 01:00:56.369 --> 01:00:59.489 And I also feel like Miranda is so scared of 01:00:59.489 --> 01:01:01.750 telling the truth. But like, if you were going 01:01:01.750 --> 01:01:04.730 to come on to the show and be, quote unquote, 01:01:04.869 --> 01:01:08.030 part of mom talk, you're going to have to just 01:01:08.030 --> 01:01:11.010 own it at some point, girl. Well, so this is 01:01:11.010 --> 01:01:14.300 what it comes down to. Taylor said Taylor. They 01:01:14.300 --> 01:01:17.360 cut to a confessional and Taylor says, this is 01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:18.900 what we did. I'll start listing everything off. 01:01:19.019 --> 01:01:21.519 They had sex with their respective husbands in 01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:23.840 the shower and in the same bed together at the 01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:27.360 same time. They blindfolded each other and guessed 01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:32.920 whose husband they were kissing. Then they basically 01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:37.659 filmed a girls gone wild scene. Yeah, like nothing 01:01:37.659 --> 01:01:41.659 crazy. I also don't know if she's telling the 01:01:41.659 --> 01:01:46.010 real juice of it. In that confessional either, 01:01:46.150 --> 01:01:47.989 because she didn't say it in the original TikTok. 01:01:48.369 --> 01:01:51.769 She's not saying it in any conversations. I don't 01:01:51.769 --> 01:01:53.250 think she would go on to say it there either. 01:01:53.570 --> 01:01:56.449 I think we're getting the tamest version regardless. 01:01:57.329 --> 01:02:00.769 I'm I'm OK with this version. Honestly, like 01:02:00.769 --> 01:02:03.769 if this is what this is, this is their business 01:02:03.769 --> 01:02:06.150 that they can share. They cannot share. I feel 01:02:06.150 --> 01:02:10.030 like they just need to be on the same page. But 01:02:10.030 --> 01:02:11.670 what they're sharing, I think, is the long and 01:02:11.670 --> 01:02:16.440 short of it. For sure. And what it comes down 01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:19.099 to is Miranda was embarrassed. And that's fair 01:02:19.099 --> 01:02:23.579 because the Mormon. Especially coming from the 01:02:23.579 --> 01:02:27.199 church. Yes. Yeah. The church makes it hard to 01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:29.079 be completely honest about this stuff because 01:02:29.079 --> 01:02:30.960 there's so much stigma put around this stuff. 01:02:31.019 --> 01:02:34.000 If you want to swing, swing. If you want to have 01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:37.840 a hundred different partners, I don't care. Right, 01:02:37.940 --> 01:02:40.579 but John Smith does. But John Smith cares. Joseph 01:02:40.579 --> 01:02:44.639 Smith. Joseph Smith. Yeah. You're going to outer 01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:48.280 darkness. I'm not. I'm not my man. I don't know 01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:51.760 his name. Jay Smith. The way they leave it. I 01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:54.679 feel like Miranda actually wants to fix things 01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:56.460 and Taylor actually wants to fix things. And 01:02:56.460 --> 01:02:58.719 I and what I appreciate is I feel like there's 01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:02.199 a genuine friendship there and they they want 01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:06.159 to get back to that. Yeah, I agree, and I think 01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:09.099 Chase being out of the picture really helps with 01:03:09.099 --> 01:03:13.579 that for them. Like, Miranda getting that divorce 01:03:13.579 --> 01:03:17.320 is definitely key in them ever being friends 01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:23.380 again. I did think they were both, like, pretty 01:03:23.380 --> 01:03:26.760 mature about the conversation. Like, Taylor wasn't 01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:30.199 dragging out everything she could for Miranda. 01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:33.690 I agree. She was respectful of the boundary. 01:03:33.730 --> 01:03:37.809 And Miranda didn't like fly off the handle about 01:03:37.809 --> 01:03:41.010 her reputation or anything like that. I felt 01:03:41.010 --> 01:03:43.030 like they were both kind of like cool headed. 01:03:43.449 --> 01:03:45.269 Well, I like where they ended that conversation. 01:03:45.349 --> 01:03:48.170 I actually, I felt really good about that. Yeah. 01:03:49.230 --> 01:03:51.710 Michaela goes to see a sexual trauma specialist 01:03:51.710 --> 01:03:56.849 and I, a couple of things. One, I didn't know 01:03:56.849 --> 01:04:01.570 that this was like its own specialty. Bless you. 01:04:01.690 --> 01:04:04.150 Excuse me. I didn't know that this was its own 01:04:04.150 --> 01:04:08.429 specialty. And I also feel like this lady is 01:04:08.429 --> 01:04:11.369 really, really good at her job. I felt the same 01:04:11.369 --> 01:04:15.090 way. She made me feel safe through the TV. Yeah. 01:04:15.289 --> 01:04:18.489 Like she definitely did a good job of like making 01:04:18.489 --> 01:04:21.230 it known that Michaela was in a safe space and 01:04:21.230 --> 01:04:23.769 she could share her truth and she would be heard. 01:04:23.869 --> 01:04:27.489 Well, she was also like, call it out. Say how 01:04:27.489 --> 01:04:31.030 you feel. Yeah. Put a name to it. Yes. You know, 01:04:31.050 --> 01:04:34.269 and that I think is really powerful, especially 01:04:34.269 --> 01:04:37.309 even outside of the church. I feel like women 01:04:37.309 --> 01:04:39.590 are always told to kind of like push it down, 01:04:39.630 --> 01:04:42.809 push it down. What you feel is dramatic. What 01:04:42.809 --> 01:04:46.690 you feel is not real. It's all in your head. 01:04:46.789 --> 01:04:50.230 So I think that was really, really good to have 01:04:50.230 --> 01:04:53.150 on TV, especially with like teenagers watching 01:04:53.150 --> 01:04:56.400 because I'm sure teenagers love this show. I 01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:59.440 also having it on TV, period. But like, I feel 01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:06.199 like filming it is incredibly brave because you're 01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:08.800 you have to reckon with a lot of this. Number 01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:14.579 one. Number two, you have to know this person 01:05:14.579 --> 01:05:19.139 may or may not see it. And their family and the 01:05:19.139 --> 01:05:22.539 people who defend your abuser. Yes. And you have 01:05:22.539 --> 01:05:25.260 to stand in the face of all of them and be like, 01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:29.559 no, this happened to me and I was hurt by it. 01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:34.099 Right. And still am. Right. And it's like, I 01:05:34.099 --> 01:05:38.519 will give that to her. So what she is doing had 01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:40.460 to be a very scary thing to do. I'm very proud 01:05:40.460 --> 01:05:43.860 of her for doing that. Yeah. Yeah, let that man 01:05:43.860 --> 01:05:45.860 try to touch her. I'll be in Utah in two seconds. 01:05:45.900 --> 01:05:50.400 Let's go to Utah. Whitney is at the house with 01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:54.860 her baby. Taylor and Macy show up to visit. Yeah, 01:05:54.940 --> 01:05:58.599 it's very like mom's stuck at home because the 01:05:58.599 --> 01:06:02.159 baby's brand new and she wants all the tea. Is 01:06:02.159 --> 01:06:04.420 there talking about the the chaos from the Halloween 01:06:04.420 --> 01:06:07.500 party? And this is where Whitney realizes I missed 01:06:07.500 --> 01:06:10.360 this life. Yeah, I feel like that was kind of 01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:14.150 when she decided like. I need to be in Mom Talk. 01:06:14.710 --> 01:06:20.590 And part of me is okay with that. Listen, if 01:06:20.590 --> 01:06:25.409 you want to make your money on TikTok with five 01:06:25.409 --> 01:06:28.289 other women and have fun, I think you should 01:06:28.289 --> 01:06:30.269 do that. Yeah. Especially with the amount of 01:06:30.269 --> 01:06:34.949 money they're pulling in. Well, that, but also... 01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:37.900 she was part of the original mom talk and like 01:06:37.900 --> 01:06:41.880 if you like there's yeah like it's fine like 01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:45.340 i i don't i don't know if i like her but like 01:06:45.340 --> 01:06:48.079 i remember last week i said i don't like her 01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:49.699 i don't know if that's gonna change i don't know 01:06:49.699 --> 01:06:56.199 if i like her i'm warming up to her i've finished 01:06:56.199 --> 01:07:00.480 the season and i still like i don't love her 01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:05.690 i just feel kind of like She might be middle 01:07:05.690 --> 01:07:07.929 of the pack for me. I don't love her. There is 01:07:07.929 --> 01:07:11.289 one moment, and I already talked about it kind 01:07:11.289 --> 01:07:15.769 of, where I really do respect her and, like, 01:07:15.789 --> 01:07:19.809 see her as a good friend. But otherwise, like, 01:07:19.889 --> 01:07:22.670 she's just kind of neither here nor there for 01:07:22.670 --> 01:07:27.030 me. We'll get there. Jen and Zach are in a very, 01:07:27.050 --> 01:07:31.070 very dark place, and Jen's pregnant. Yeah. It's 01:07:31.070 --> 01:07:35.550 rough. It's really rough. Janet's having a crisis 01:07:35.550 --> 01:07:37.309 of conscience, I feel like, because she starts 01:07:37.309 --> 01:07:39.150 talking about, I'm not the person I want to be 01:07:39.150 --> 01:07:42.530 when I'm bringing a baby into this world. 100%. 01:07:42.530 --> 01:07:45.489 And I think she's self -aware that she's dealing 01:07:45.489 --> 01:07:47.869 with drama that's not age -appropriate for her. 01:07:48.429 --> 01:07:51.389 Because we're talking about lying and hiding 01:07:51.389 --> 01:07:54.550 things from your man, who's your husband and 01:07:54.550 --> 01:07:57.210 father of your children, not just your little 01:07:57.210 --> 01:08:01.320 boyfriend. I agree. And I think she's... And 01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:03.900 I respect that about her. I think she's self 01:08:03.900 --> 01:08:07.739 -aware that she's lying to her friends and hiding 01:08:07.739 --> 01:08:13.579 things and isn't where she wants to be. And that's 01:08:13.579 --> 01:08:15.920 good. I don't think you can ever improve if you 01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:18.100 never realize that you're not where you want 01:08:18.100 --> 01:08:22.239 to be. You have to realize that there's room 01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:24.359 for improvement to ever improve. Where I want 01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:28.279 her to be is not on this show. Really? As of 01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:31.979 now, yes. I don't know how I feel. I don't... 01:08:31.979 --> 01:08:37.220 I do think she, ideally, like, for everyone in 01:08:37.220 --> 01:08:41.319 her life to be happy, I do think she has to step 01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:43.699 away from all these women because she needs to 01:08:43.699 --> 01:08:47.539 live a more, I hate to say it, Mormon life than 01:08:47.539 --> 01:08:50.340 the rest of them because I think to appease Zach 01:08:50.340 --> 01:08:55.399 and to bring their kids through life the way... 01:08:55.949 --> 01:08:58.649 her husband wants her to and all of that, if 01:08:58.649 --> 01:09:03.210 she really, like, is committed to that, I think 01:09:03.210 --> 01:09:05.449 she has to step away from all of this. However, 01:09:05.710 --> 01:09:10.189 I will say I knew Jen before I knew Taylor because 01:09:10.189 --> 01:09:13.449 of her dancing on the counter for her baby videos. 01:09:13.970 --> 01:09:16.710 I saw those on TikTok, like, years and years 01:09:16.710 --> 01:09:21.609 ago. And, like... She never gave that to me. 01:09:21.930 --> 01:09:25.210 So unfortunately, I think a big part of it is 01:09:25.210 --> 01:09:28.170 that I think a lot of her problems stem from 01:09:28.170 --> 01:09:30.449 her and Zach not being a good match in the sense 01:09:30.449 --> 01:09:33.529 that she wouldn't have had to lie about the Chippendales 01:09:33.529 --> 01:09:36.449 thing. She never would have had the crash out 01:09:36.449 --> 01:09:39.750 in Vegas. She never would have had all of these 01:09:39.750 --> 01:09:45.510 issues if it weren't for the ideals of her husband. 01:09:45.770 --> 01:09:49.060 I agree. I just don't think they're a good match. 01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:51.279 I feel like either she needs to get a divorce, 01:09:51.500 --> 01:09:54.180 which I don't see happening. Nope. Or she needs 01:09:54.180 --> 01:09:56.560 to step away from these girls because these girls 01:09:56.560 --> 01:09:59.680 and her husband have very different ideas of 01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:03.380 how she should be living her life. I agree. And 01:10:03.380 --> 01:10:05.560 it's sad. It is. So that's the end of episode 01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:10.159 three. Episode four, the book of taboos. I had 01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:11.979 a lot of ups and downs in this episode. I'm going 01:10:11.979 --> 01:10:14.579 to be very real with you. You didn't know Layla 01:10:14.579 --> 01:10:18.300 had ever had an orgasm? No. they talk about it 01:10:18.300 --> 01:10:21.119 in the first season, but it's like very, I don't 01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:22.800 remember the first season. I'm going to be honest. 01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:25.479 Like that was a fever dream. I don't remember 01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:29.060 what Whitney did. I want, I want us to go back. 01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:31.760 Like after we finish the season two, I want us 01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:33.600 to go back and like rewatch season one. Because 01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:37.880 I. I don't remember any. I know this is embarrassing. 01:10:37.979 --> 01:10:40.319 I know that Whitney did a whole bunch of shit, 01:10:40.340 --> 01:10:42.579 but I don't actually remember what she did. I 01:10:42.579 --> 01:10:45.319 feel like I know I didn't like Whitney. And that's 01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:47.520 why I opened season two with being like demon 01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:50.319 monster. Whitney is bad. Yeah. But like, I don't 01:10:50.319 --> 01:10:52.340 remember any. But I did remember that Layla had 01:10:52.340 --> 01:10:54.680 never had an orgasm because like, look at her. 01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:58.819 Why does no man do it for her? I do think it's 01:10:58.819 --> 01:11:02.159 she's talked about it a little bit. I don't think 01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:05.449 it's. All just the men she's hooked up with. 01:11:05.510 --> 01:11:07.770 She said that she has like a lot of internalized 01:11:07.770 --> 01:11:12.090 guilt around sex in general. We get to that. 01:11:12.310 --> 01:11:18.850 Yeah. So it's like I kind of get that. Taylor, 01:11:19.149 --> 01:11:22.859 Michaela and Macy go to brunch. We find out I 01:11:22.859 --> 01:11:25.279 don't know if we find this out or this is something 01:11:25.279 --> 01:11:27.659 we already knew. I this is the first time I remember 01:11:27.659 --> 01:11:31.180 hearing it. Dakota's newly sober. So Taylor felt 01:11:31.180 --> 01:11:32.800 like she had to check on him after the whole 01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:34.539 thing was said and done at the Halloween party. 01:11:34.659 --> 01:11:38.800 Yeah. I feel like Taylor is working on herself 01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:41.000 and I feel like she's becoming more self -aware, 01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:43.779 which I really like about Taylor because I don't 01:11:43.779 --> 01:11:46.399 I think she's very different from she. Who I 01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:48.939 remember her being in the first season. A hundred 01:11:48.939 --> 01:11:52.460 percent. I think that she's a more mature version 01:11:52.460 --> 01:11:56.439 of herself this season than she was before. She's 01:11:56.439 --> 01:11:59.119 not making so many excuses for herself. She's 01:11:59.119 --> 01:12:03.079 standing on what needs to be stood on and admitting 01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:07.279 when she's wrong more, which I really appreciated. 01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:10.479 I liked to see that she was going to couples 01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:15.420 therapy with Dakota to try to. make amends with 01:12:15.420 --> 01:12:18.279 him i thought that was very mature of her i think 01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:20.859 that's mature but i have a problem with her psychiatrist 01:12:20.859 --> 01:12:23.600 being the couple's therapist because i think 01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:27.020 that's a conflict of interest number one i i 01:12:27.020 --> 01:12:30.100 think if anything i hate to defend a man but 01:12:30.100 --> 01:12:33.659 i think it's unfair to dakota because you have 01:12:33.659 --> 01:12:36.920 a psychiatrist who is like your individual psychiatrist 01:12:38.010 --> 01:12:41.289 is kind of like a team player for you. They want 01:12:41.289 --> 01:12:44.210 to see you do better. They want to see you improve. 01:12:44.529 --> 01:12:47.310 And they're, like, biased towards your mental 01:12:47.310 --> 01:12:50.970 health. And so, like, it's just not really fair 01:12:50.970 --> 01:12:53.470 because I feel like how can Dakota's side be 01:12:53.470 --> 01:12:58.229 heard? I agree. I don't know. Yeah, that is weird. 01:12:58.529 --> 01:13:02.789 Macy brings up that she got a sinner Sunday confession 01:13:02.789 --> 01:13:04.590 that someone hooked up with Brett while Demi 01:13:04.590 --> 01:13:07.289 was on a trip. I don't know if I believe it, 01:13:07.310 --> 01:13:10.369 but I don't know if I don't believe it. Yeah. 01:13:10.770 --> 01:13:15.550 Like, I mean, obviously, I see kind of how it 01:13:15.550 --> 01:13:18.109 shakes out in the end, but you never know the 01:13:18.109 --> 01:13:21.250 real truth, obviously, because it was an anonymous 01:13:21.250 --> 01:13:27.949 thing. But I just feel because, like, the only 01:13:27.949 --> 01:13:30.890 time Demi was away was for Vanderpump Villa. 01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.180 And so that's when they were saying this must 01:13:34.180 --> 01:13:39.300 have happened and la la da. I don't know. Well, 01:13:39.319 --> 01:13:41.640 we'll see how this goes, because this comes up 01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:44.579 towards the end of this episode, which I feel 01:13:44.579 --> 01:13:46.199 like is a cliffhanger into the next episode. 01:13:46.220 --> 01:13:49.260 Yeah. It doesn't really come to a head until 01:13:49.260 --> 01:13:52.819 the last five minutes of episode 10. Can't wait. 01:13:53.020 --> 01:13:57.159 It did not shake out how I thought it would. 01:13:57.260 --> 01:14:02.359 Ladies and gentlemen, did not. Jen goes to Miranda's 01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:05.180 house because I feel like Miranda is the only 01:14:05.180 --> 01:14:09.500 one talking to her at this point. Yeah, I like 01:14:09.500 --> 01:14:13.399 the idea of Jen and Miranda being friends because 01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:17.500 I. Do you? In the sense of like what I said before, 01:14:17.659 --> 01:14:19.880 where I think Jen and Zach are not a good match. 01:14:19.939 --> 01:14:22.899 I think Miranda could be a great example of like 01:14:22.899 --> 01:14:27.659 how she could be happy and not married, maybe. 01:14:28.239 --> 01:14:32.539 Sure. And let me just. I understand that Jen 01:14:32.539 --> 01:14:34.720 and Zach love each other. I'm not saying that 01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:38.100 they don't. What I'm saying is she's an emotional 01:14:38.100 --> 01:14:40.579 wreck, and I think part of it is that she and 01:14:40.579 --> 01:14:42.479 her husband don't get along. That's all I'm saying. 01:14:43.380 --> 01:14:47.000 So this brings me to the only thing I wrote down 01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:49.159 about this scene. Jen is miserable in her marriage, 01:14:49.180 --> 01:14:52.100 and she causes spiritual warfare. Yeah. Lord 01:14:52.100 --> 01:14:55.880 have mercy. Which is so dramatic. Like, you're 01:14:55.880 --> 01:15:00.529 miserable in your marriage. That's okay. Because 01:15:00.529 --> 01:15:03.210 she brings it back to like, I feel like I'm not 01:15:03.210 --> 01:15:05.909 close to God anymore. And like, I get like someone 01:15:05.909 --> 01:15:08.350 who came from the church. I get that that's hard. 01:15:08.670 --> 01:15:12.409 Those two things aren't related, babe. No. And 01:15:12.409 --> 01:15:16.270 I think it really comes back to they just aren't 01:15:16.270 --> 01:15:20.699 talking about their actual big issues. Yes. They're 01:15:20.699 --> 01:15:22.880 not compatible. She and Zach. That's what I'm 01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:26.060 saying. Like, she could be so happy on her own. 01:15:26.100 --> 01:15:29.880 And I think Zach could be happy on his own. And 01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:33.239 I think they would be wonderful at co -parenting. 01:15:33.380 --> 01:15:35.779 I think that they could definitely figure that 01:15:35.779 --> 01:15:38.500 out. I don't think either of them wants that. 01:15:38.619 --> 01:15:41.420 I think they want to somehow make it work. It's 01:15:41.420 --> 01:15:46.500 just not working. I agree. The boys go golfing. 01:15:47.590 --> 01:15:52.310 Yeah. What did you think about this scene? Zach 01:15:52.310 --> 01:15:57.289 is like trying to be big and strong. I don't 01:15:57.289 --> 01:15:59.630 I didn't even take it like that. Zach wants to 01:15:59.630 --> 01:16:01.170 confront the guys about the whole Chippendales 01:16:01.170 --> 01:16:05.229 thing. And I thought his approach was very, very, 01:16:05.289 --> 01:16:10.189 very healthy and very good until he said, yeah, 01:16:10.329 --> 01:16:14.250 you touched my wife without consent. That's what 01:16:14.250 --> 01:16:19.659 really got me. When he treated it like sexual 01:16:19.659 --> 01:16:24.319 assault, he lost me. I was like, you are not 01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:28.500 this big macho man who's convincing Brett that 01:16:28.500 --> 01:16:30.800 he committed a crime. Well, I don't even think 01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:32.439 he was trying to do that. Like, because he said, 01:16:32.460 --> 01:16:34.500 well, if I want to be, he said, if I wanted to 01:16:34.500 --> 01:16:38.180 be petty, I could say this. Well, you just said 01:16:38.180 --> 01:16:41.079 it on camera. Yeah, babe. You just said it, number 01:16:41.079 --> 01:16:45.170 one. And, but what I will give. brett and jordan 01:16:45.170 --> 01:16:48.029 is that i think they navigated that landmine 01:16:48.029 --> 01:16:52.569 pretty well i think so too i think they all kind 01:16:52.569 --> 01:16:55.630 of kept a cool head i mean even zach to a point 01:16:55.630 --> 01:16:59.390 kind of like kept his cool no one was like screaming 01:16:59.390 --> 01:17:02.930 or anything well because i think this you in 01:17:02.930 --> 01:17:05.149 this situation you have three rational people 01:17:05.149 --> 01:17:08.210 talking to each other i think i wouldn't call 01:17:08.210 --> 01:17:12.199 zach rational i i think what the guys he is I 01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:15.039 think his opinion on the Chippendales thing in 01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:18.500 general is not rational. OK, that's fair. You 01:17:18.500 --> 01:17:21.539 know, I think he was hand handling this moment 01:17:21.539 --> 01:17:24.739 rationally, maybe. Yeah, I think I think if that's 01:17:24.739 --> 01:17:27.380 going to be your opinion, that your girl isn't 01:17:27.380 --> 01:17:31.939 allowed to see men dance, then you handled it 01:17:31.939 --> 01:17:35.439 well. Sure. But it's just I can't believe that's 01:17:35.439 --> 01:17:38.939 the hill you're willing to die on. But. Here 01:17:38.939 --> 01:17:41.500 again, we find ourselves in a situation where 01:17:41.500 --> 01:17:43.579 Jen has told Zach a completely different story 01:17:43.579 --> 01:17:47.159 than everyone else knows. And the guys are all 01:17:47.159 --> 01:17:49.220 calling it out. And what I really appreciated 01:17:49.220 --> 01:17:54.600 about Brett was the way he said, you need to 01:17:54.600 --> 01:17:56.739 at least be open to this being a possibility. 01:17:57.460 --> 01:18:00.880 And Zach is still like, well, if I find this 01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:02.619 out, it's really going to suck. Baby found it 01:18:02.619 --> 01:18:05.119 out before this. This is not the first time you're 01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:08.189 hearing. My wife is a liar, basically. Right. 01:18:08.850 --> 01:18:13.310 I will say. So before he talked to Demi and Jesse, 01:18:13.550 --> 01:18:17.750 who are the wives of Brett and Jordan? So it's 01:18:17.750 --> 01:18:21.819 like. from his perspective, is this just a united 01:18:21.819 --> 01:18:26.520 front against Jen or is this true? You know what 01:18:26.520 --> 01:18:28.579 I mean? I can see that. Cause they're not like 01:18:28.579 --> 01:18:31.560 separate from their wives in my mind. You know 01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:34.300 what I mean? Um, but I don't know. I don't know. 01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:36.300 Now he's hearing it from both sides. And so I 01:18:36.300 --> 01:18:38.560 feel like that's when he starts to be like, okay, 01:18:38.659 --> 01:18:44.199 Jen definitely knew, which she did. We, we go 01:18:44.199 --> 01:18:47.979 to a scene of Taylor just driving in her car. 01:18:48.699 --> 01:18:51.039 But let me tell you something. Taylor is wearing 01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:55.539 this Goyard bag out. She is. She loves that tote. 01:18:55.720 --> 01:18:58.159 She loves that Goyard tote. And she's either 01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:00.319 sponsored by Goyard or, like, she got it as a 01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:02.420 gift from someone she really, really loves. Like, 01:19:02.420 --> 01:19:04.340 one of those two things is happening. If I had 01:19:04.340 --> 01:19:07.140 a giant Goyard bag and a little baby, that would 01:19:07.140 --> 01:19:13.039 be my diaper bag, too. I respect it, girl. They 01:19:13.039 --> 01:19:15.920 have some flashbacks to therapy where Dakota's 01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:19.890 wearing a hat again. Thank God. Thank God. That 01:19:19.890 --> 01:19:23.250 hairline needs help. But it's not the hairline. 01:19:23.270 --> 01:19:25.430 It's the way the, it's like he's pulling his 01:19:25.430 --> 01:19:28.989 hair back and it's. Well, it's because he does 01:19:28.989 --> 01:19:31.210 have a bad hairline. Like it goes back on both 01:19:31.210 --> 01:19:34.470 sides really far. And then to make matters worse 01:19:34.470 --> 01:19:37.729 in the middle where it has stayed, where it's 01:19:37.729 --> 01:19:42.590 supposed to be is thinning so bad. Okay. So it's 01:19:42.590 --> 01:19:45.649 like you have these little cul -de -sacs. The 01:19:45.649 --> 01:19:48.239 things that I have. And then the thinning. Yeah, 01:19:48.260 --> 01:19:50.479 I guess. But yours doesn't look as bad because 01:19:50.479 --> 01:19:55.060 it's like if your hair was thinning in the middle. 01:19:55.680 --> 01:19:57.140 That's what Dakota's hair is like. I'll kill 01:19:57.140 --> 01:19:58.920 myself when my hair starts thinning in the middle. 01:19:59.699 --> 01:20:03.479 Poor guy. He's like early 30s. He's not even 01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:06.359 that old. He's like, he's all right. Well, he's 01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:10.939 my age, but anyway. How old am I? I don't know. 01:20:11.260 --> 01:20:13.399 He is saying all the right things in therapy. 01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:20.270 Yeah. What concerns me is, do you know who else 01:20:20.270 --> 01:20:24.850 used to do this? Big Joe, my ex uncle. Yeah. 01:20:24.949 --> 01:20:28.149 Who went in front of the people that mattered. 01:20:28.609 --> 01:20:31.550 He would say all of the right things. He would 01:20:31.550 --> 01:20:36.510 get you to believe that he was on the right path. 01:20:37.210 --> 01:20:40.689 And that is a bipolar narcissist is who my ex 01:20:40.689 --> 01:20:43.289 -uncle is. And I believe we might have the same 01:20:43.289 --> 01:20:46.829 thing on our hands with one Mr. Dakota. Yeah, 01:20:46.970 --> 01:20:50.770 I do think he like definitely turns it on for 01:20:50.770 --> 01:20:53.989 therapy and then turns it off when he's alone 01:20:53.989 --> 01:20:57.829 with Taylor. And also turns it on for the confessionals, 01:20:57.829 --> 01:20:59.789 like where it's just him talking to the camera. 01:21:00.130 --> 01:21:06.189 Yeah. He comes across as very victim, very, I 01:21:06.189 --> 01:21:09.050 want my family to be together. I want to be the 01:21:09.050 --> 01:21:12.189 good guy. And then he can't do that when the 01:21:12.189 --> 01:21:13.810 cameras are around the rest of the time. I don't 01:21:13.810 --> 01:21:16.630 get it. There's a scene where you haven't gotten 01:21:16.630 --> 01:21:18.750 there yet, but this is not a spoiler. Taylor 01:21:18.750 --> 01:21:22.529 drops the baby off at Dakota's apartment and 01:21:22.529 --> 01:21:28.340 he doesn't have wipes. To be fair, if you ever 01:21:28.340 --> 01:21:31.460 drop August off at my house. But you're not his 01:21:31.460 --> 01:21:36.000 dad. Okay, that's fair. You should. I don't know. 01:21:36.020 --> 01:21:38.539 If you have a baby, you should have a whole setup 01:21:38.539 --> 01:21:41.100 for when you're expecting them. You need to have. 01:21:41.319 --> 01:21:44.140 He wants to live like he lives in. He wants to 01:21:44.140 --> 01:21:48.300 live like I did at IU. Then stop having babies 01:21:48.300 --> 01:21:50.380 and stop saying you want your family together. 01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:52.079 I agree. You don't want your family together. 01:21:52.159 --> 01:21:55.539 Oh, my God. It's the whole thing. But yeah, I 01:21:55.539 --> 01:21:57.520 don't know how I feel about it because I also 01:21:57.520 --> 01:22:01.060 think that Taylor kind of does that. Oh, yeah. 01:22:01.159 --> 01:22:03.659 I feel like she. They're both immature. Yeah. 01:22:03.779 --> 01:22:06.100 And I feel like they're both kind of manipulative 01:22:06.100 --> 01:22:09.420 people. And so we're watching them try to manipulate 01:22:09.420 --> 01:22:14.020 each other. That's hard. It's a lot to watch. 01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:18.079 I feel like they're going to end up back together 01:22:18.079 --> 01:22:20.239 at least two times before they're done done. 01:22:20.420 --> 01:22:24.350 Oh. At least. I think it's that kind of toxic 01:22:24.350 --> 01:22:27.949 couple where they're addicted to the toxicity. 01:22:27.949 --> 01:22:31.930 Oh, yeah. Where they fear that if they enter 01:22:31.930 --> 01:22:35.829 a new relationship, they'll miss the drama. They'll 01:22:35.829 --> 01:22:39.970 be bored by a healthy relationship. Yeah. I agree. 01:22:41.189 --> 01:22:45.390 We go to Demi's sex party. Loved that, by the 01:22:45.390 --> 01:22:48.750 way. I loved it. I hated it. And here's here's 01:22:48.750 --> 01:22:50.789 the thing. So they found the one sex coach in 01:22:50.789 --> 01:22:54.989 Utah to come to this party. That poor woman. 01:22:55.770 --> 01:23:00.270 Bless her heart. Because aside from her day to 01:23:00.270 --> 01:23:03.189 day job of dealing with people in Utah of all 01:23:03.189 --> 01:23:05.729 places. Trying to have sex with each other. Right. 01:23:06.810 --> 01:23:09.050 She's like, OK, I guess I'm going to go on TV 01:23:09.050 --> 01:23:18.349 now. And she shows up to Demi's house. Where 01:23:18.349 --> 01:23:23.529 they can't they can't just be cool, immature 01:23:23.529 --> 01:23:26.710 about it. That's the problem that I had. Yeah, 01:23:26.829 --> 01:23:30.770 they're very like giggly and uncomfortable. Yeah. 01:23:30.869 --> 01:23:34.789 And when they're doing the like exercise of it 01:23:34.789 --> 01:23:37.609 all, when they're like playing with the toys 01:23:37.609 --> 01:23:40.069 and whatever, finding what feels good for them. 01:23:41.180 --> 01:23:44.520 no one is taking it seriously right and it's 01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:48.020 like why did you come to this to be awkward and 01:23:48.020 --> 01:23:50.920 weird right and like get into it or get out to 01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:53.140 be fair there is some like there's like you have 01:23:53.140 --> 01:23:54.720 to laugh some of that off you have to like get 01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:57.199 through like that the giggles of it all but like 01:23:57.199 --> 01:23:59.579 sure but they just seem like they couldn't get 01:23:59.579 --> 01:24:01.640 out of middle school yeah you know like they 01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:03.979 were just learning about sex right it was so 01:24:03.979 --> 01:24:07.060 weird i don't know maybe it's just how it was 01:24:07.060 --> 01:24:10.319 edited i don't know it probably was a big part 01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:14.760 of it but i'm shocked and honestly kind of pleasantly 01:24:14.760 --> 01:24:17.680 surprised everyone actually showed up well should 01:24:17.680 --> 01:24:20.000 have been lingerie yeah like everyone looks so 01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:23.720 good stunning like really good and it wasn't 01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:27.300 like you'll get to an episode when we recap the 01:24:27.300 --> 01:24:28.739 rehearsals of salt lake city where they all have 01:24:28.739 --> 01:24:32.199 it's jen shaw's piece of shit garbage whore lingerie 01:24:32.199 --> 01:24:36.199 party is what she calls it and Lisa Barlow shows 01:24:36.199 --> 01:24:39.800 up in head to toe, like might as well have shown 01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:43.100 up in a burka. But it was like like flannel pajamas. 01:24:43.439 --> 01:24:48.880 Oh, my God. And these girls who I would argue 01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:50.600 are much more conservative than Lisa Barlow. 01:24:50.680 --> 01:24:54.100 Yeah. Showed up in real lingerie. And they all 01:24:54.100 --> 01:24:56.359 looked incredible. They really did. They all 01:24:56.359 --> 01:25:01.039 looked good. Yeah. Yeah. Loved it. During this 01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:03.680 during the party, the dads are doing dad talk. 01:25:04.939 --> 01:25:07.899 yeah i mean that's fine listen i'm glad they 01:25:07.899 --> 01:25:10.539 all get along i really i agree yeah i think that 01:25:10.539 --> 01:25:14.060 would be like really a rift if a lot of the men 01:25:14.060 --> 01:25:18.300 had problems with each other but right but then 01:25:18.300 --> 01:25:22.420 the part that actually was it was hard for me 01:25:22.420 --> 01:25:25.840 to watch this part leila can't comprehend that 01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:30.350 sex should be pleasurable for her too that actually 01:25:30.350 --> 01:25:32.329 made me sad because they were like, what feels 01:25:32.329 --> 01:25:35.130 good? Because her answer to the what do you like 01:25:35.130 --> 01:25:37.970 question was, I like seeing my partner feel good. 01:25:38.449 --> 01:25:41.909 And I think it was Demi asked her, no, what feels 01:25:41.909 --> 01:25:43.850 good for you? And she said, what do you mean? 01:25:44.130 --> 01:25:49.949 And that made me really sad. I think sex has 01:25:49.949 --> 01:25:52.750 been such a problem for her in her life. And 01:25:52.750 --> 01:25:57.090 unfortunately, even outside of the church, like 01:25:57.090 --> 01:26:00.590 in society, that's just like, not really something 01:26:00.590 --> 01:26:02.449 you can talk about. Like, you're not going to 01:26:02.449 --> 01:26:05.289 make a TikTok and be like, I really struggle 01:26:05.289 --> 01:26:07.989 feeling good about sex. Like, that's just not 01:26:07.989 --> 01:26:11.550 really something. Okay, so here's my question. 01:26:11.670 --> 01:26:14.770 Do you and I just have a very healthy relationship 01:26:14.770 --> 01:26:17.050 with sex? Because when you and I talk about this 01:26:17.050 --> 01:26:20.810 kind of stuff, I don't feel like we get weird 01:26:20.810 --> 01:26:22.569 about it. Like, do you and I just have a healthy 01:26:22.569 --> 01:26:25.609 relationship or, like, are we weird? No, I think 01:26:25.609 --> 01:26:31.100 that... I don't know. I think that we have a 01:26:31.100 --> 01:26:33.199 healthy relationship with sex and also that we 01:26:33.199 --> 01:26:36.479 feel comfortable with each other. I also feel 01:26:36.479 --> 01:26:38.939 like I wouldn't ever, like, go online and talk 01:26:38.939 --> 01:26:41.220 about my sex life. You know what I mean? Okay, 01:26:41.220 --> 01:26:43.979 okay, fair, fair, fair. Like, I just, I'm just 01:26:43.979 --> 01:26:47.659 not like that. Like, I just can't. And most people 01:26:47.659 --> 01:26:49.640 aren't, especially if you're having trouble in 01:26:49.640 --> 01:26:52.380 the bedroom. Like, you're never gonna, like... 01:26:52.380 --> 01:26:55.539 Oh, okay, yeah. Like, for Layla, I just don't 01:26:55.539 --> 01:26:59.890 see her making a TikTok being, like... I can't 01:26:59.890 --> 01:27:03.090 come. So it's, we're talking about two kind of 01:27:03.090 --> 01:27:05.449 different, not two different issues, but two 01:27:05.449 --> 01:27:09.770 ways of approaching it where she's, this is happening 01:27:09.770 --> 01:27:12.750 in her life. And she's like, she's kind of honest 01:27:12.750 --> 01:27:14.609 about it with herself, but then she has to be 01:27:14.609 --> 01:27:17.130 honest about it on reality television. Yeah. 01:27:17.710 --> 01:27:20.670 And okay. Okay. That's a different thing. Cause 01:27:20.670 --> 01:27:23.329 it's like as separated as she is from the church. 01:27:23.390 --> 01:27:25.810 I feel like she's still, it never leaves you 01:27:25.810 --> 01:27:28.489 though. Yeah. She still has those ideals in her. 01:27:28.569 --> 01:27:31.850 And then you have society as a whole, which is 01:27:31.850 --> 01:27:35.289 sex positive, but only to a certain point. And 01:27:35.289 --> 01:27:38.890 so it's like, we're a sex positive wink. Right. 01:27:39.029 --> 01:27:41.489 Exactly. And so I don't think she necessarily 01:27:41.489 --> 01:27:44.789 has the safe space to be like, yeah, listen, 01:27:44.909 --> 01:27:46.789 this is something I really struggle with, especially, 01:27:46.989 --> 01:27:50.750 Especially when she has this new boyfriend this 01:27:50.750 --> 01:27:55.090 season who's very, very Mormon. I feel like he 01:27:55.090 --> 01:27:57.369 wouldn't have liked that either if she was like, 01:27:57.550 --> 01:28:00.750 yeah, we're having sex, but I don't like it. 01:28:00.949 --> 01:28:04.810 They said that when they were at the at the car 01:28:04.810 --> 01:28:07.090 or like at the Ferris wheel, though, when they 01:28:07.090 --> 01:28:09.850 have sex. Yes. Yeah. She said, do you feel pressure 01:28:09.850 --> 01:28:11.890 to make me come? Like she said that to him. Oh, 01:28:12.149 --> 01:28:16.869 I don't remember. Yeah. What? Yeah. Oh. Is it 01:28:16.869 --> 01:28:19.390 because she said that on TV? Is that why she 01:28:19.390 --> 01:28:22.609 asked that? Because she said she's never come 01:28:22.609 --> 01:28:25.329 like on TV. Do you think that's why she's asking? 01:28:25.810 --> 01:28:30.449 Maybe. I don't know. But like. It is a hard situation. 01:28:30.449 --> 01:28:32.630 I feel like a piece of shit if I was that guy. 01:28:32.770 --> 01:28:36.890 I know. Make me come. I know, but I feel like 01:28:36.890 --> 01:28:39.329 it has little to do with him and everything to 01:28:39.329 --> 01:28:42.289 do with her. I think she feels so constricted 01:28:42.289 --> 01:28:45.069 and guilty about I think she has a very Jesus 01:28:45.069 --> 01:28:49.130 is watching kind of. Well, probably. But when 01:28:49.130 --> 01:28:51.510 you if you ever listen to Derek and Romaine, 01:28:51.510 --> 01:28:57.649 Romaine is like is is like a sexpert. And she 01:28:57.649 --> 01:29:02.039 talks a lot about how. With guys, it's very easy 01:29:02.039 --> 01:29:06.100 for a guy to get off in most scenarios. For a 01:29:06.100 --> 01:29:11.079 girl, it is very psychological. Yeah, it's a 01:29:11.079 --> 01:29:14.500 mental game more than anything. And I think she's 01:29:14.500 --> 01:29:17.699 losing that battle. I agree. Which is hard to 01:29:17.699 --> 01:29:22.260 watch. It is. I want her. I want nothing but 01:29:22.260 --> 01:29:24.039 good things for her. I think Layla is so cool. 01:29:24.100 --> 01:29:25.460 I know. Like, I want to be her friend really 01:29:25.460 --> 01:29:31.189 bad. I want her to be a squirt queen. She deserves 01:29:31.189 --> 01:29:34.409 it. She deserves it. We come to the final scene. 01:29:35.430 --> 01:29:39.489 Macy got a book deal, I guess. Are we reading 01:29:39.489 --> 01:29:42.029 this book? Are we going to read this book? Maybe 01:29:42.029 --> 01:29:46.729 only because have you gotten? No, it's the next 01:29:46.729 --> 01:29:51.289 episode. The one after what you're. So it must 01:29:51.289 --> 01:29:56.649 be episode five. She opens up more about. what 01:29:56.649 --> 01:29:59.489 the book is about okay and it's something very 01:29:59.489 --> 01:30:03.029 relatable to me okay so we'll get there cool 01:30:03.029 --> 01:30:06.829 it actually might be a good thing to talk about 01:30:06.829 --> 01:30:12.250 on the podcast okay yeah because basically her 01:30:12.250 --> 01:30:21.569 you know her son's dad died i think i i think 01:30:21.569 --> 01:30:25.380 i knew that yeah yeah that's basically the gist 01:30:25.380 --> 01:30:27.159 of it okay so she gets into this in the next 01:30:27.159 --> 01:30:29.960 episode yeah okay is she like that actually would 01:30:29.960 --> 01:30:31.359 be like you because you can relate to that a 01:30:31.359 --> 01:30:33.560 lot you should talk about that on the next episode 01:30:33.560 --> 01:30:35.800 when we recap that episode i'll talk about it 01:30:35.800 --> 01:30:37.699 because yeah it's actually like a very similar 01:30:37.699 --> 01:30:41.840 thing to what happened with jack's dad so yeah 01:30:41.840 --> 01:30:44.939 i'm also willing we're gonna read this book i've 01:30:44.939 --> 01:30:49.260 decided Yeah, I like Macy. I really do. She was 01:30:49.260 --> 01:30:52.760 my favorite this season. She gets more airtime 01:30:52.760 --> 01:30:56.100 in the later episodes, I feel like. She is just 01:30:56.100 --> 01:30:59.699 such a sweet, perfect angel, but she still lives 01:30:59.699 --> 01:31:02.039 for the drama. Do you feel like she kind of looks 01:31:02.039 --> 01:31:05.779 like Sidney Sweeney? Yeah, I can see that. Okay, 01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:08.140 because I started to see that in this episode, 01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:10.560 and I was like, oh, now I know who she looks 01:31:10.560 --> 01:31:12.199 like. I couldn't put my finger on who she looks 01:31:12.199 --> 01:31:15.449 like. They go to a restaurant. She is actually 01:31:15.449 --> 01:31:18.149 very beautiful. And she doesn't look like the 01:31:18.149 --> 01:31:22.430 rest of them. She does look different from the 01:31:22.430 --> 01:31:24.810 rest of them. She does look like Heather Gay's 01:31:24.810 --> 01:31:28.449 daughters, though. She does. She does look like 01:31:28.449 --> 01:31:30.569 Heather Gay's daughters. And I can tell that 01:31:30.569 --> 01:31:32.729 she has some filler, but she hasn't filled up 01:31:32.729 --> 01:31:34.770 her face. She hasn't overdone it, though. She's 01:31:34.770 --> 01:31:38.960 done work very well. Yeah. Love her. Love, love, 01:31:38.979 --> 01:31:41.619 love Macy. They go to a restaurant called Provisions 01:31:41.619 --> 01:31:43.520 where they've also gone on Real Housewives of 01:31:43.520 --> 01:31:46.060 Salt Lake City. And we will be going there when 01:31:46.060 --> 01:31:48.859 we take the pod to Salt Lake City. We have to. 01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:55.819 I didn't I didn't like Michaela showing up and 01:31:55.819 --> 01:31:58.479 like needing to do the whole song and dance of 01:31:58.479 --> 01:32:00.699 like the seating arrangement game. I hated that. 01:32:01.340 --> 01:32:05.319 I think people who focus so much on seating arrangements 01:32:05.319 --> 01:32:07.239 and who they're going to be next to and across 01:32:07.239 --> 01:32:11.319 from are weird. I think you're weird. I think. 01:32:11.380 --> 01:32:14.800 OK, so like I get if two people are mid fight, 01:32:14.920 --> 01:32:17.539 like they are literally at each other's throats 01:32:17.539 --> 01:32:21.100 and you want to separate them to keep your event 01:32:21.100 --> 01:32:24.939 on track. Yes. To announce your book. Fine. But 01:32:24.939 --> 01:32:28.680 other than that, fucking chill. Well, it's that 01:32:28.680 --> 01:32:34.420 and like. I can't right now in my life. I cannot 01:32:34.420 --> 01:32:36.520 think of one person. If you and I got invited 01:32:36.520 --> 01:32:40.100 to a dinner party and I found out that I was 01:32:40.100 --> 01:32:42.680 sitting next to anyone, I cannot think of one 01:32:42.680 --> 01:32:47.800 person who I'd be sitting next to where I would, 01:32:47.840 --> 01:32:50.180 I would have that reaction. Right. Even if it's 01:32:50.180 --> 01:32:53.220 someone I don't like. Right. Like, because we 01:32:53.220 --> 01:32:55.239 don't care. We've all been in that situation. 01:32:55.359 --> 01:32:59.180 Like the. We have a person in our life who there's 01:32:59.180 --> 01:33:07.000 been a lot of drama with recently and. I he's 01:33:07.000 --> 01:33:10.560 dead to me at this point, but if you sat me next 01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:11.920 to him at a dinner party, I just turn around 01:33:11.920 --> 01:33:14.539 and talk to you. Right. Like it doesn't really 01:33:14.539 --> 01:33:17.539 matter. And like, especially in an event like 01:33:17.539 --> 01:33:20.520 this, where like, you know, your friend is just 01:33:20.520 --> 01:33:24.399 putting this together to announce something like. 01:33:24.989 --> 01:33:28.550 You're not going to have to come up with conversation 01:33:28.550 --> 01:33:31.369 with these people for very long. Like, you're 01:33:31.369 --> 01:33:35.090 here for Macy. Right. So why are you being weird? 01:33:35.369 --> 01:33:40.369 Right. Whitney shows up and the clout conversation 01:33:40.369 --> 01:33:46.310 starts up again. Again. They're all there for 01:33:46.310 --> 01:33:48.850 clout. Right. Every single last one of them. 01:33:48.909 --> 01:33:52.069 Right. Including Taylor. It was started for clout. 01:33:52.109 --> 01:33:58.979 Right. So Whitney, though, I feel like I like 01:33:58.979 --> 01:34:01.880 how she's approaching trying to get back into 01:34:01.880 --> 01:34:03.800 the group where she's not she's not going too 01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:06.399 hard. She does come off a little desperate in 01:34:06.399 --> 01:34:07.760 her confessionals. I'm not going to lie to you. 01:34:07.840 --> 01:34:10.180 She is kissing their feet a little bit, but I 01:34:10.180 --> 01:34:12.539 feel like she has to. Yes. She's kissing the 01:34:12.539 --> 01:34:14.760 ring a little bit. She's like she's friends with 01:34:14.760 --> 01:34:17.119 Taylor. She's friends. She's like, I'm trying 01:34:17.119 --> 01:34:20.119 friendly with everyone. She's not letting really 01:34:20.119 --> 01:34:24.890 any of the conflict. stop her from being nice 01:34:24.890 --> 01:34:27.289 to everyone, which is the right strategy. A hundred 01:34:27.289 --> 01:34:28.810 percent. And so I think she's doing the right 01:34:28.810 --> 01:34:33.270 thing in this scenario. We start to talk about 01:34:33.270 --> 01:34:35.310 the book and then we find out Macy's dad gave 01:34:35.310 --> 01:34:37.649 her a journal when she first found out she was 01:34:37.649 --> 01:34:39.289 pregnant. And this is kind of what sparked the 01:34:39.289 --> 01:34:41.449 whole thing of like, I'm going to write down 01:34:41.449 --> 01:34:42.649 the good days. I'm going to write down the bad 01:34:42.649 --> 01:34:47.659 days and everything in between. And yeah. And 01:34:47.659 --> 01:34:49.659 I think that's kind of cool. And then Taylor 01:34:49.659 --> 01:34:51.979 was super, super supportive, which I really, 01:34:52.000 --> 01:34:53.399 really did like to see because I don't think 01:34:53.399 --> 01:34:55.439 she would have been this person a year ago. No. 01:34:55.939 --> 01:35:00.800 But did you see Demi's fucking face? Yes. So 01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:06.659 Jen gets up to hug to hug Macy and they cut to 01:35:06.659 --> 01:35:11.100 Demi, who is just rolling her eyes and she. She's 01:35:11.100 --> 01:35:15.420 so mad. She's so mad. Keep this in mind as you 01:35:15.420 --> 01:35:19.909 keep watching. how mad she looks. Yes. She is 01:35:19.909 --> 01:35:23.750 so weird. She's not friends with any of these 01:35:23.750 --> 01:35:25.550 people, I'm telling you. Well, the thing that 01:35:25.550 --> 01:35:27.689 I couldn't figure out, is she mad at Jen getting 01:35:27.689 --> 01:35:31.350 up to hug Macy, or is she mad at... She's mad 01:35:31.350 --> 01:35:33.489 that Macy got a book deal. Okay, so... She's 01:35:33.489 --> 01:35:36.050 mad that anyone gets anything that wasn't offered 01:35:36.050 --> 01:35:40.640 to her first. Interesting. OK. OK. Just wait. 01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:44.640 I cannot wait for you to see the fall of Denny. 01:35:44.680 --> 01:35:48.260 I can't wait. So Macy announces that she's also 01:35:48.260 --> 01:35:50.659 doing a celebrity pickleball tournament in Arizona, 01:35:50.739 --> 01:35:55.680 which I have a feeling celebrity is a word we're 01:35:55.680 --> 01:36:00.640 using very loosely. Yeah. It's like on the show, 01:36:00.659 --> 01:36:05.069 like when she does it and. There's another host 01:36:05.069 --> 01:36:06.890 there because she's like hosting it, right? She's 01:36:06.890 --> 01:36:09.670 like announcing. There's another one there who's 01:36:09.670 --> 01:36:12.489 allegedly a celebrity, too. I cannot for the 01:36:12.489 --> 01:36:15.390 life of me. If I recognize who they were, I don't 01:36:15.390 --> 01:36:18.590 remember it, which means they are not a celebrity. 01:36:18.909 --> 01:36:20.729 Well, that has to be coming up in the next episode. 01:36:20.850 --> 01:36:24.029 So I actually like I can't wait for this. And 01:36:24.029 --> 01:36:28.310 then the girls decide to do a truth box because 01:36:28.310 --> 01:36:34.180 they always go over so well. So they all throw 01:36:34.180 --> 01:36:38.020 in their little, like, their little cards. And 01:36:38.020 --> 01:36:40.399 they're all pretty inconsequential until we get 01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:42.939 to Taylor, who opens up the card that says, I 01:36:42.939 --> 01:36:46.420 think Jen is fake. And that's where the episode 01:36:46.420 --> 01:36:51.380 cliffhangs. Right. And I mean, obviously we get 01:36:51.380 --> 01:36:54.460 it. Jen has not been telling the truth to everyone. 01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:59.720 She's kind of spiraling out. Like, I don't know. 01:36:59.760 --> 01:37:03.300 She's like, I don't know. You need to watch the 01:37:03.300 --> 01:37:05.920 next episode because it's just T, T, T, T, T, 01:37:05.920 --> 01:37:09.680 T, T. I can't wait. Well, dear listener, that 01:37:09.680 --> 01:37:12.979 brings us to the end of the episode. Thank you 01:37:12.979 --> 01:37:15.760 for listening. We love you from the United States 01:37:15.760 --> 01:37:19.180 to the United Kingdom to Ireland to hopefully 01:37:19.180 --> 01:37:22.560 Italy soon. Please listen to us in Italy. We 01:37:22.560 --> 01:37:24.579 want to go to Italy. Listen to us in Iceland. 01:37:24.600 --> 01:37:28.000 I really want to go to Iceland really bad. Yeah. 01:37:28.380 --> 01:37:30.750 There's also. I was watching a YouTube video 01:37:30.750 --> 01:37:33.350 about Singapore and their airport. I want to 01:37:33.350 --> 01:37:36.609 visit the Singapore airport really bad. Kenny's 01:37:36.609 --> 01:37:38.789 been wanting to go to Singapore forever. Apparently, 01:37:38.789 --> 01:37:43.390 it's like really cool. A concept is Singapore 01:37:43.390 --> 01:37:46.949 bestie approved. We'll have to see. We'll have 01:37:46.949 --> 01:37:49.149 to see. It kind of gives me the vibes of Dubai, 01:37:49.329 --> 01:37:52.489 which is a topic for another episode. Anyway, 01:37:52.670 --> 01:37:55.869 we love you. Share us with your messiest friend. 01:37:55.989 --> 01:37:59.560 Follow us everywhere. We'll see you soon. Mwah!