Hi, I'm Travis. And I'm Emma. What's the last
song you listened to? Unfortunately, the truth
is it was Don't by Bryson Tiller. If I'm being
a thousand percent honest, I don't even know
if I remember that song. Oh, well, we can't get
copyrighted if I sing it. So it's the one that
like has the huge, like a super long buildup.
And then he goes, don't. And then it's like,
don't play with it. Don't be dishonest. Yes.
Yeah. Yes. I do remember this. My last song was
Attention by Kesha Slater and Rose Gray. So much
more cunt than mine. It is. And what I have to
believe happened was Kesha went into a lab and
said, I know what the gays need this summer.
And then they just built this song in the lab.
The idea of Kesha and Slater knowing it. knowing
each other is so incredible to me. I have a feeling
they're, like, you know how you're pinned at
the top of my iMessage? Yeah. I have a feeling
they're pinned at the top of each other's. Like,
they text daily, for sure. We have a lot this
week, also. Where do you want to start? Yeah.
Okay, well, let's just say... Last week we had
listeners from all over the globe. We did. All
over. And we've cracked 100 listeners. Finally.
We've made it. So this in the grand scheme of
podcasting means so little, but we cracked 100
listeners. And like there's this like where I
upload the podcast every week. It like gives
you analytics of like where the. listens are
coming from. So 90 % of our listeners are in
the United States, like scattered across the
country. Um, but we have listeners in the United
Kingdom, Malaysia, Russia. Um, we have listeners
in Ireland, Switzerland, Australia, Finland,
Egypt, Germany, and the Netherlands. Like how
wild is that? My Deutsch people. Yeah, it's beautiful.
I love that. We're going on a world tour. Listen,
I'm ready. Yeah, tomorrow. Starting tomorrow.
Maybe when we get 200 listeners. My pregnancy
update is also my complaint. So however you want
to do that. You tell me. Go buck wild. am now
well tomorrow i'll be 16 weeks pregnant that
is wild i know which makes the baby the size
of an avocado and like five inches long um which
is beautiful and amazing and his ears are in
the right place and he has eyeballs it's it's
great his bones have ossified or whatever beautiful
we are not ever shitting on the miracle of pregnancy
however what is getting a little old to me is
like okay so like regardless of how you want
to put it if you don't start your pregnancy with
a flat tummy it looks like you're just getting
bigger for a while before you like round out
which is beautiful and great. You need to have
space for your baby. But like anytime I try to
complain about that, people are like, you're
pregnant. It's the miracle of childbirth. And
I'm like, OK, I don't look pregnant, really.
I look like I ate a large dinner and a large
breakfast and a large lunch. So I don't know.
That's my complaint. Because there really is
no winning side. Because if someone were to call
me fat, I would be like, I'm pregnant! But when
I complain about feeling fat, there's also, like,
nothing I can do about it. You know what I mean?
I don't know how to explain that. I hear what
you're saying. You're in a... not in a weird
space but like I think you're in a weird head
space with where your body's at and like how
it's changing yeah and I I feel like body dysmorphia
is pretty common in pregnancy oh it's gotta be
yeah especially for people like me like my weight
has fluctuated a lot in my adulthood and so it's
like Like, I don't know. It's like triggering
almost to just to like get bigger because it's
not just your stomach either. Like everything
is bigger. Yeah. And it's beautiful and amazing.
And it will result in the most beautiful baby
and all of that. Yes. But in the time being,
I'm like, wow. A couple of things. One, I don't
think you look big like you look like a normal
size for someone who is. I don't know what a
normal size is for someone who's 16 weeks pregnant.
But if you said to me, this is what normal size
looks like for 16 weeks, I would wholeheartedly
believe that. Yeah. And that's the other thing.
Like, I used to be on the heavier side. And so
I know it can also be triggering to hear someone
my size, like pretty normal size, be like, I
feel fat. Like, that's so triggering. At the
same time, this is my experience. That's fair.
I mean, there's nothing wrong with that being
your experience. I mean, if you're being honest
about it. And I also think I carried Jack really
low and I'm also carrying this baby really low.
And so as opposed to what? So like instead of
it, instead of my belly button. let's say like
going straight out forward, it's underneath my
belly button that is getting bigger, which is
a very triggering area for me, like area of my
body. I don't know how to explain that. So like
early in pregnancy, the baby is like in your
pelvis. And so it's not like the middle of your
stomach is like popping out and you're a perfect,
beautiful watermelon. Sure. It's. the bottom
of your stomach that kind of pops out first,
especially for me. That's just how it's been.
OK. And so it's like it's giving big fupa, you
know? No, it's not. I promise it's not. Yeah.
You know, I'd be honest with you. Like, if you
ask me if it was, it's not. I promise. Yeah.
It's like a it's like a body dysmorphia thing.
But like even. I can't show you all, but I'm
going to show Travis on my app. It kind of shows
where a baby is and it like makes sense for how
I'm feeling. Do you see what I mean? It's like
lower than you think. Yeah, I. I guess like knowing
that the baby comes out of your vagina, that
makes sense that it would be there, but like.
When you see a pregnant girl, you're like, oh,
the baby's, like, up in the middle of her belly.
Right. But that's not, like, true, especially
when the baby's still small. But I also think
a lot of that is, like, it pushing the rest of
your body outwards. Like, because the baby, like,
sits under all that, right? Yeah, your intestines,
like, move around. And your liver does, I think.
There are a bunch of things that, like, move
around. And you're out of breath because there's
more pressure on your diaphragm. On your lungs,
yeah. Mm -hmm. Yeah. I don't. I just like that
I'm not going to ever experience that. I know.
It must be beautiful to be a male. It is. Yeah.
Anyway. Anyway. So I guess I'll complain. And
my complaint had to be changed this week. We're
still going to talk about what I was going to
complain about. I have a problem this week with
people that ride tandem bikes. Who are you doing
that for? Who is that for? Why? Why are we doing
that? I would argue that you're putting on a
show for the world that doesn't need to be seen.
I hear that, I do. I feel like it's the same
way I feel about Valentine's Day. Yes, exactly
the same. Yeah, we disagree about Valentine's
Day, too. I love Valentine's Day, and I love
tandem bikes, and I love love. I love love. I
love... people showing their love outwardly i
think it's beautiful but complain away so i was
pulling out of my driveway this morning to come
to your house and these people were just riding
by on a tandem bike you're swerving all over
the road you can't be happy i don't know there
was a couple in my old neighborhood growing up
that always rode around on their tandem bike
and they looked so in love and happy and they
did not swerve all over the road so maybe it's
a test of your love if you can like keep the
tandem maybe okay so maybe these people weren't
doing it right but i can definitively tell you
unless it's with you i will never ride a tandem
bike i don't want to i don't want to do that
i'm not into it i hate it i hate everything about
it I think it's cute. Have I ever ridden on a
tandem bike? No. So I'm sure there are factors
at play that I am not aware of. But for the most
part, I think they're cute. OK, I won't take
that away from you. It's a show of affection.
And dear listener, what you must know is that
there are not a lot of things Emma and I disagree
on. Emma could turn against. Just about anything
and turn with her, I will. I will. I will 100.
I'm sorry, 99 .5 % of the time be on her side.
This is just one of those takes where we're not
on the same page. And that's okay. I think people
mostly agree with you, though. I would say I'm
probably the... In the minority? Yeah. Good.
100%. Because I know I am about Valentine's Day.
I hate... Because everywhere I've ever gone in
my life, they're like, I hate Valentine's Day.
Anti -Valentine's Day party. It's not even that
I want to be anti -Valentine's Day. It's like...
I want it to be a non thing. I get like when
you're in a relationship and it's your first
Valentine's day, I'll give you that. That's fine.
I've I'll stop you right there. I love Valentine's
day. Even when I'm single, even when I'm single,
even if I'm bitter about being single, I still
love Valentine's day because there are still
people I love. I just celebrate my friends and
my family. I love you so much. Here's some candy.
I love it. We just did that four minutes ago
in your candy bowl. It wasn't Valentine's Day.
Yeah, but they weren't heart -shaped and it wasn't
for Valentine's Day. Okay, and here's the thing
I have about the argument because I know what
people are thinking. The, if you love someone,
you should show them you love them every single
day and Valentine's Day shouldn't be special.
Ah, ah, ah, ah. Do you have that argument for
Mother's Day? If you love your mother. I certainly
don't. You should. Well, yeah. Father's Day then.
You appreciate your father every day of the year.
Yes. Right. But do you not tell him Happy Father's
Day? Okay. That's what I thought. It's the same
idea for Valentine's Day. Just because you love
someone all the time doesn't mean you can't have
one special day where you show it a little extra.
Okay. We'll revisit this. In February, when we
do our Valentine's Day special. And you can have
this all you want. I want you to live in love.
Just know, I hate everything about Valentine's
Day. I hate the consumerism of it. I hate the...
That is true. I hate the... You have to be in
a relationship for Valentine's Day. I hate the...
If you want to go out to dinner and you're not
thinking to yourself, oh, God, it's going to
be February 14th. You have to make reservations
months in advance. I don't like the fact that
it's like it was invented by Hallmark and that
like people feel like they have to spend hundreds
of dollars and plan for months for it. That you're
kind of losing the spirit for me a little bit.
But mostly I love Valentine's Day. That, yeah.
I wish people put that same level of energy into
like their anniversaries and like that's where
the energy for Valentine's Day went. That's what
I wish. Do you know what we've done? Because
I love Valentine's Day. My anniversary is on
Valentine's Day. I'm going to kill myself. I
love that. Valentine's Day. How did I not know
that? I don't know. Because it doesn't really
matter. Because my birthday is February 1st.
And then Kenny's is February 11th. And then Valentine's
Day is on the 14th. So we just make it one big
celebration. That's like when we went to Mexico,
it was for that. When we went on a cruise, it
was for that. Got it. We always do at least like
a fancy dinner or something. Yeah. I love that.
We call it B -Day V -Day. It's very cute. I don't
want to go on anymore. So speaking of love, I
sent him a tech talk earlier. It's been making
its way around tech talk, and I've seen a couple
of reactions to it. And I'm curious how you feel
about this and how listener you feel about this.
This girl went with her. boyfriend, fiance, whatever
we're going to call him, because we're going
to get into what he's called in the video that
is awful. Like, I would argue that I hate it.
It's an old fashioned thing. I hate it. I hate
it, too. I really do. I really do. So this girl
goes and she says, I went with my honey, my sweetheart
to the jewelry store to pick out my wedding ring
or my engagement ring. And they design it. They
do the whole song and dance. And they say to
her, do you want to get the warranty on it? She
says, yeah, of course we want to get the warranty
on it. No big deal. They say, OK, great. We're
going to send you emails every six months to
remind you to clean the ring and to like come
in and like get the bracket things or the prongs
like serviced or whatever. She gives them her
email to put on file for that. I guess as a result,
she also started getting the order confirmations
saying, hey, the ring has been ordered. Hey,
the ring is like the final payment was made for
the ring. And then in the I guess in one or both
of the emails that she got, she received pictures
of the final product of the ring. that she helped
design right like she picked it out and she told
them what she wanted if anything she should be
glad she got those pictures we'll get into it
well so she's on here on tiktok saying they ruined
the surprise they took the element of surprise
away from it and i'm like you you knew you were
getting engaged so here's how i feel about this
woman right number one Like you said, she knows
she's getting engaged. Like she already knew
that. Number two, if you designed a ring yourself
and you had specifications for how you wanted
it to look, what shape diamond, all of that,
wouldn't you want pictures to make sure your
vision has come to life? And number three, if
you didn't want anything to be spoiled, if you
didn't want these emails. Give them your man's
email address. So that and I guess I didn't even
think about like the picture piece of it. My
thing is, is like. You knew you were going to
the jewelry store. You knew you were planning
a wedding. You knew at some point at some point
between. Going to the jeweler and your wedding
date, you would be proposed to. Right. So. It
feels like she's looking for a reason to be mad.
It's it's it feels like attention seeking behavior
on the Internet to take it one step further.
She goes on to say no amount of money is going
to make us feel better. OK, then what what are
you doing here? Tell me what you're doing right
here on the Internet where you've turned off
Stitch's duets and comments to your TikTok. That's
because a bunch of people called her out on her
own bullshit. Right. Everyone has a right to
feel exactly how they want to feel about any
situation. But I think about the person who's
wedding you and I talk about a lot. And I know
this is something that she would have done where
she was an absolute demon monster the entire
time we were getting ready for her wedding. And
listener, one day we will open up about the Las
Vegas bachelorette party and the. that led up
to a wedding where that was probably one of the
last times I spoke to someone who I considered
to be one of my best friends. But it comes to
the point with this individual who posted this
TikTok where I wish she just would have said,
God, I overreacted to that. At least I'm getting
married. At least I have someone that loves me,
my honey, my sweetheart. And let me just tell
you something else. When someone says my honey,
my sweetheart, when referring to their significant
other, it makes me like I have a visceral reaction
to it. I hate it so much. It just kind of gives
me the ick. But I also feel like a more honest
version of that video is her coming to terms
with the fact that she regrets being part of
the planning process for her engagement. And
that I completely understand because I feel like
she's projecting feelings she has about not feeling
surprised when she got engaged. Oh, I see what
you're saying. OK. And really, it's because she
planned everything and went with her honey to
do everything. And she's projecting it on the
jeweler like they could have done something or
like they didn't warn her. But it's like. It's
OK to just go on TikTok and be like, hey, ladies,
don't recommend designing your own engagement
ring if you're like me. Yeah, that's a whole
different thing. But the other piece of it, too,
is like she gets on there and she's like. We've
been waiting. So the couple had been together
for seven years and she's like, I've been waiting
seven years for that. We've been waiting seven
years for this. And I've been waiting 27 years
for this. And I'm like, oh, get off the cross,
Mary. Like, what are we doing? I do understand.
As little girls, we are trained to look forward
to our wedding. That's the long and short of
it. And so it does feel like. You've been waiting
27 years for this. I get it. But like you gave
the jeweler your email address. Jewelers are
not new to the engagement process. So I guarantee
she didn't get an email saying your ring has
been picked up. Your engagement is happening
on this day. Wear white, bitch. Like that's not
what they did. I believe the story has been embellished.
One of two things has happened. The story has
been embellished a little bit to make it seem
like it was more of a ruin to the surprise than
anything else. Or B, she put her email in every
box that could receive an email so she would
have complete control over this process. And
I'm willing to believe it was number two. Mm
-hmm. Yeah. So that's where we're at. Because
logically, if Kenny takes me to design a ring,
he's like, you're picky. I want you to like it.
I really want you to design it. I am never giving
that jeweler my contact information. No. If you
need payment, if it needs cleaned, if you want
a review, talk to my man. Yes. He's buying it.
I agree. So I feel like maybe she just got. A
little type A over the ring situation. And now
she regrets it. And it would be one thing, like
I said, for her to hop on Twitter and say, I
regret doing that. Yeah, but that's not what
she did. She said the jeweler, the jeweler. Well,
and that's it. And she's like on there like I'm
scheduling meetings with the district manager.
I wish the fuck I would. I wish the fuck I would.
Imagine being a Karen about the people who made
your wedding ring like to those people. Also,
imagine going into a place of business where
ostensibly they did everything that they were
supposed to do. And they sent you an order confirmation
to an email that you gave them and you want to
speak to a district manager. No. No, no, no.
I'm exhausted by that. Yeah. I'm exhausted by
that. I really can't imagine behaving that way.
It's this is exhausting. That's the long and
short of it. This girl is exhausting. And like
even watching the tick tock, we know I can think
off the top of my head three girls that are exactly
like this. Yeah. And I can definitively tell
you I would be exhausted hearing this story with
them. I have one other thing before we jump into
reality roundup. Yeah, it's it's it's a push
notification I got from the Arby's app. Arby's,
please sponsor Bestie because you need to. Arby's,
you were Bestie approved and you're about to
hear why we. Emma and I have a tradition that
we have formed over the last six podcast episodes
where I will drive to her house and I'll pick
up Arby's on the way there. Every time I get
a push notification from the Arby's app last
week saying, congratulations, you spent twenty
five dollars on your last order. Here's five
dollars off your next three orders. I said, thanks
for repping us, fatty. Please. Oh, my God. I
said, thanks, Diva. I really, really appreciate
that. Arby's, please sponsor us. Oh, my God.
It's like when I used to vape, they would have
loyalty cards. Shut the fuck up. No, they didn't.
Yeah. Oh, yes, they did. This feels like an addiction.
Oh, it. It very much was. Okay. It is. I'm not
vaping anymore, but I still feel like it's an
addiction. Anyways, yeah, every time I got to
the end of that card and they were like, free
vape, I was like, oh, my God, I'm a crackhead.
Wow. Yeah, that was a dark, dark time. If anything,
this baby has already given me a gift. The gift.
For your lungs. Yeah. A gift of a clean lung.
Being free of the vape. Do you remember that
TikTok that was like, let's talk about this here
epidemic that is this crack pipe? Yes. And here's
the thing, I agree with all the videos about
vaping and all the videos that are like, you're
going to get cancer. You will get cancer. I hear
you. It's a disgusting, disgusting thing. But
like, it is also so hard to stop. If you need
more information about that, go watch Tana Mongeau's
most recent TikToks and podcast episodes and
everything. Oh, does she get into it? Yeah. She's
like quitting the vape is harder than quitting
drinking. It's harder than quitting opiates.
It's harder than quitting anything else that
she's done. I'm sure it's just as bad as quitting
smoking. Oh. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, it's the same.
It's kind of the same thing. It's nicotine. So
it's like the same drug. And I would argue it's
harder because like because it's more accessible.
Yeah. A cigarette's like you have to go outside
and like it's a whole thing. A vape, you can
just pick that thing up anywhere, which is half
the struggle. Yeah. Because it's like it would
be so easy for me to just pick up a vape right
now. And for me, I feel like being pregnant made
it. A whole lot easier to quit because it's like
not for me. It's for a baby. But oh, my God,
it is so hard. Are you ready for reality roundup?
I am. Before we jump into secret lives and Mormon
wives, I want to talk about one Miss Larsa Pippen.
I'm so over Larissa Pippen. I've been over her
since 2012 when she was originally on Real Housewives
of Miami. I just saw a tweet the other day before
we get to your thing that was like, the trend
now is not to look like a Kardashian. It's not
to have an artificial hourglass figure and fillers
until you pop. And the tweet I saw was a quote
tweet of that saying, someone tell Larissa Pippen.
But actually, please don't tell Larson Pippen
that because she is unrecognizable from who she
was. And you will never find someone that is
more supportive of elective surgeries than I
am. You have you have seen me go to Dr. Turkle's
office in Carmel just to have consultations just
for funsies. Oh, yeah. I'm super pro doing whatever
you want to do to your body. Yes. To a point.
OK, because there's also someone else I want
to bring up on this point, and then we'll get
back to Larsa Pippen. We just started Casa Amor
in Love Island. Exactly. This woman is 21 years
old and she looks. 35 easily because she is just
filled to the brim with filler. She has a body
you would not believe. I am sure she's in the
gym every single day. She's never had a carb
in her life. But then she goes and fills her
whole entire face with filler. And it's like
no one's even looking at your body. No one is
like it is hard to tell what you look like. I
have a hard time with the filler because if you
if you look at. The drag queens from RuPaul's
Drag Race who it's it's always the all stars
makeover that they do. So they have their original
seasons of Drag Race and then they get a Groupon
to to a two for one filler special. And it is
Juvederm and. It's it's a lot. There's a lot
happening there. And I think the main problem
is people doing it too early in life. But sure.
But that's the thing is like you were overloaded.
You were filled to the brim. And like it's it's
the lips. It's the cheeks. It's the who. And
that's fine. Like get get the filler. But like
you were unrecognizable from who you were. Bringing
me back to Larsa Pippen. If you look at side
by sides of seasons. One and two of The Real
Housewives of Miami and current seasons of The
Real Housewives of Miami from where it's come
back. She is you. You couldn't tell me that's
the same person. Right. I know you want to know
who else is kind of going outside. Have you seen
Adriana Lima? Yeah, that's hard. Why did you
do that? Why did you do that? Yeah, it's so hard
to watch because it's like. We've lost the idea
of aging gracefully and we're trying to just
not age at all. And that's not, that's not okay.
That's not. But Bravo Insider today sent out,
or I'm sorry, yesterday sent out a text to the
Bravo Insider community saying, from public breakups
to friendship feuds, Larsa Pippen's been through
it all during her time on Real Houses of Miami.
Now she's serving up advice exclusively for Bravo
Insiders, and she's ready to answer your questions.
Hit the link to send yours in. Do you want to
know who I'd rather take advice from? RFK Jr.
about my health. I would rather take advice from
that snake in the Garden of Eden in the Bible.
I would rather take advice from Dakota about
how to. Manage a healthy relationship. Oh, yeah.
I would rather take advice from Jack about how
to remain quiet during a podcast sometimes. Right.
Tet Hanks about how to keep your public image
up. Yes. Yeah. Oh, my God. I'd rather. Who is
looking for her advice? I'd rather take advice
from Z -Way about how to. Have a take that people
don't find funny. Yeah. About how to not be charming
and wonderful. I've lost the plot a little bit
here, but like you see what I'm saying? I just.
And what it feels like Bravo is trying to do,
and they've done this with a couple of other
housewives. Ramona is one that I'm thinking of
where they they push her just a little too hard.
They push her to like. Because they've doubled
down on her for the next season. And they're
like, we're stuck with her. We got to do something
with her. So I do not like Larsa Pippen. When
we start recapping The Real Housewives of Miami,
you will see how viscerally I react to her. I
cannot stand Larsa Pippen. You know who I would
text for advice? Giselle. 100 % I would take
advice from Giselle. I would love advice from
Giselle. I've talked about her on the podcast
already. I love her so much. If they sent me
a text and they were like, do you have a question
for Giselle Bryant? I would immediately text
them back. One last one. I would rather take
advice from Juan Dixon about how to be faithful
to a beautiful woman. Poor Robin. Poor Robin.
I love her. And he's so hot. Like, I get it.
But, girl. So let's jump in. Yeah. Secret Lives
of Mormon Wives. We're recapping episodes three
and four today. Episode three. The Book of Retribution.
We open up at the Halloween party where we left
off. Where Taylor is screaming at Chase for being
a liar. Which he deserves. While the guys are
upstairs getting ready for their Chippendales
dance. Chase deserves to get yelled at. Chase
deserves everything that comes to him. He can't
own shit. And I thought it was so funny, actually,
the like difference in vibes when they would
like cut to upstairs when they were like practicing
with their Chippendales guy versus Taylor being
like, you disgusting. You trash. You're stupid.
You're trash. I loved it. I loved it. That's
excellent television. Miranda runs over to comfort
Chase's new girlfriend, which I honestly, I think
it's impressive. And I think I like her because
that has to take some level of security and confidence
in yourself to be like, oh, I'm going to go comfort
this girl. That girl needs help. And I felt so
bad for his girlfriend because that's such an
awkward position to be in where like everyone
is yelling at your man. You've stepped out publicly
now like you're on. on tv with him and now you
just you're talking about his affairs and his
swinging and also his ex -wife is there and like
it's just oh i can't imagine being in her position
like that is so i feel bad for her and i feel
like this girl is probably a really sweet girl
this is i feel like this is chase's mo is he
finds a very pretty girl probably fresh out of
the church and says, I'm going to get her. I
have a feeling he's finding his women at church.
Oh, probably. So Layla, who dated Chase for like
a month, goes, goes to him and like says, no
one wants to hear. Fuck you. This is not what
we're. This is your trash, basically. And then
he's like, don't don't tell me what to do. And
then she goes, go talk shit about this on your
podcast. And he goes, don't make fun of my podcast.
I loved that part. I thought that was so funny.
That was so funny. I didn't know he had a podcast,
but I love that for him. I mean, he doesn't deserve
one, but here we are. Here we are on a podcast.
Yeah. I feel like Taylor doesn't have to get
ready because she stays ready to fight. I wouldn't
call Taylor a hothead because I really do feel
like. she just gets really worked up. Like I
can almost commiserate with her where it's like
someone says something and then you just can't
let it go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. And you
and I are both that way though. Yeah. Well, and,
and I get where she's coming from because she
goes on to say that she just wanted Dakota to
be on her side. I. Could not be more on her side
about that. I feel the same way. Yes. However
you feel about the Taylor and Chase thing, Dakota
has been allegedly trying to win her over this
whole time and is talking to Chase and immediately
takes Chase's side. Yes. Over Taylor. I agree.
Come on. I just don't get it. I don't get it.
Miranda goes up to Chase and this is where I
really, really started to appreciate Miranda
because she goes up and she goes, we're not doing
this. Get out. Get out. And I was like, oh, I
like her. OK. And then if you look at Chase's
new girlfriend, she's she either just looks cold
or uncomfortable. Like she's like doubled over
in that little dress and she's just like cold.
I felt bad for her again. I did. Cause it's like,
what do you do? You're on TV. You don't even
really like, this is your boyfriend, but like,
it's hard, but she immediately storms out and
she goes, I hate him. I hate him. I hate him.
And I was like, I get it. Yeah. And I feel like
Miranda knows his antics. And so she was like,
no, you're not going to do this here. No. Yeah.
But I, I bet she's been through it. A million
times. Every single day, probably. And I'm so
glad they got a divorce. She deserves so much
better than that trash man. I agree. So then
Chase goes after, what's her name? Kate. Yeah.
The new girlfriend's Kate. Chase goes after Kate
and Demi's poking the bear a little bit and Chase
walks by Demi and I guess pokes her. I don't,
I don't. Here's what happened. I remember it
clear as day. Demi goes, where's your girlfriend,
Chase? You need to go after your girlfriend.
Yes. He comes up, kind of touches her waist and
goes, oh, well, where's your husband? Type of
thing. Okay. I don't... Okay. The way she blew
it out of proportion was crazy. Well... Because
she goes upstairs, right? Yeah. And she goes,
Brett, Chase touched me. No, that's not what
Demi said. Demi runs upstairs and goes, Chase
put his hands on me. Oh. She knew what she was
doing. She knew exactly... However, yeah, I think
it was... Yeah, you're right. Put his hands on
me. She... Blew that so far out of proportion.
It's on video. He didn't grab her ass. He didn't
pull her hair. He simply touched her as he passed
through a tight space. What? OK, I I think there's
a place to be met in the middle here where I
think he was doing it in an incredibly condescending
way. I think he was like, where's your man? 100%.
But I think him saying, where's your man and
touching her to get by were two separate things.
I agree. I don't think he like grabbed her and
caressed her and then said, where's your man?
I think he was getting past and then responded
to her snarky thing by saying his snarky thing.
Yes. And I hate Chase, so I hate that it sounds
like I'm defending him, but God damn, Demi. I
agree. So Demi runs upstairs. Chase put his hands
on me. Chase put his hands on me. Brett does
what Brett is supposed to do. Yeah, Brett's not
in the wrong for that at all, to be so clear.
Brett moves into action and says, I'm going to
kill someone. I love a man who's a man. I do
too, actually. And he runs outside in his little
Chippendales outfit. And he's screaming at Chase.
Chase didn't know what he was getting into. And
he is scared for his life in this moment. You
can see it happening. Yeah. I feel like he genuinely
didn't know what the fuck Brett was on about,
like for the first four or five seconds. And
then he put it together and was like, oh, what
the fuck? Yeah. You know, and I would be scared
of Brett, too. Oh, 100%. Can we talk about how
hot it is that he's out there in a little Speedo
about to kill a man? They were in Speedos. They
were in little pants. Oh. I thought they were
in, like, little tiny... No. Oh. No. They were
in pants. I thought it was hot that he was in
his little Chippendales suit about to kill somebody.
I thought that was so hot. Oh, 100%. But, like,
also... That level of rage, I wasn't expecting.
But what I also didn't expect was Jordan. When
Chase goes up to start apologizing to Demi, Jordan
comes up and goes, take ownership, take owner,
like just screaming. And I was like, what are
you doing? Who are you being right now? And I
have a feeling this is the reason the cops get
called. It's all the screaming. I'm sure they're
in one of those richy, rich, rich neighborhoods.
And someone was in their house and they were
like, my property taxes are too high for this.
And they called the police. Yes. So the cops
show up. Jesse goes outside and literally says
to the cop. Have you ever seen Secret Life? That
is the moment I was dying for you to see. That's
the funniest shit I've ever seen. Because she
says that would have been the easiest way to
explain it to you. No, but like that's the thing
is like if the cop would have been like, oh,
got it. Yeah, it would have cleared everything
up immediately. But the way she said it, like,
have you ever seen it? Like, obviously, that's
what's happening. Like, Jesus Christ. That was
the funniest thing she could have said. The funniest
thing. And also, like, not to dick ride her,
but I feel like it's a fair question because
then you, because you also have to explain why
there are so many cameras there and vans and.
Oh, sure. You know, like, that's not a typical
thing either. Like, you don't want them to think
you're filming an orgy. You know what I mean?
Well, that, but like, also. Behind the scenes
of it, the cops show up. The Secret Lives of
Mormon Lives and Real Housewives of Salt Lake
City are the two shows that are, like, being
filmed in Salt Lake City right now. And the cops
have to know, like, some of this stuff is going
to get played up. They also signed releases to
be on the TV. Oh, yeah, because their faces weren't
blurred. Yeah. So, like, let's. They knew before
they got to her front door that this was for
TV. I just think because they it's two men fighting
each other. They have to be like, oh, sure. Please,
nobody get injured. Please, nobody die. Please.
Like, I get it. Yeah, I do, to some extent. And
it's not like they came inside the house and
were like, they left. So the cops leave. Chippendales
part two happens and it's the most uncomfortable
thing anyone has ever had to sit through. So
awkward. Just Zach with full on venom in his
eyes the whole time. And he was sad. Yeah, like
you could. He was sad and he was mad. Like there
were two emotions happening there. And that was
very clear. I had a problem. I had a very serious
problem with Demi saying this is a chance for
Zach to redeem himself. I know. I didn't like
that at all. I know. And this is where I turn
on Demi. Oh, I already told you she's the villain.
Yeah. She's the villain this season for absolute
sure. And it. Only gets worse. I would also like
to talk about Demi and Brett's relationship at
some point. I don't know if now's the time. OK.
I haven't seen anything yet that would tell me
something's wrong, but I have a feeling it's
coming fast and quick. He knew her when she was
10 years old and he was in his late 20s. Oh,
so. Yeah. I don't know where to put that. Yeah.
Makes me think that he's less hot. He's physically
so hot. Would I ever want to get to know him?
No. Was he involved with the church? Probably.
I know he's a Mormon. Okay. So I'm going to tell
you right now, you'd be shocked at how often
that happens in the church. Oh, I. I've had my
fair share of youth pastors flirt with me in
my teenagerdom. No, but I'm saying, like, people
that know children from a very, very, very young
age and then they end up together, like, and
the man's much older. Like, it's fairly common
in the Nazarene church, too. It's so gross. It's
gross. So the Chippendales dance is happening.
Jordan, bless his perfect little heart, seemed
like he was actually like earnestly trying. Yeah,
I thought he was so cute. Like his whole thing
was so cute. And I and I think they all were
very like still respectful. You know, like they
weren't like real Chippendales where they were
like grinding up on her and like making out with
her like they didn't do that. The problem that
I have. And this is how it should have been handled.
Brett should have brought Demi up. The real Chippendales
dancer should have brought Taylor up. Well, no,
Layla's not. Taylor's the only single one. Taylor
and Miranda. He brought one of them up. And then
Jordan should have brought Jessie up. Dance with
them. Why doesn't... I wish they would have asked
Zach to be a part of it. I feel like that would
have fixed the whole problem. If they would have
said, let's exposure therapy Zach by putting
him in it quite literally. Yes. Instead of let's
do exposure therapy by making him watch. Like
that's so much worse. I thought that was gross.
I thought that was so gross. Yeah. Like put on
a show for your wives. That's fine. I was on
Zach's side about like about being upset about
it. I like not about where it ends up, but I
agree that this was mean. Yeah. And the part
that really you're not there yet. I won't ruin
it for you. But yeah, I don't know. Obviously,
he overreacts and we'll get into that. But it
was a weird thing for them to do. It was the
whole thing was very weird. And I have I have
a lot of thoughts because we get to how much
did. Yeah, we get to that. We get to how much
did Jen know? I'm going to have a lot of feelings
about that. I know. Yeah. So. It's so tough,
too, because it's like I feel like they were
just trying to have fun and they flew in a Chippendales
gun, whatever. It's like, why did you spend some
real money here? Like, yeah. Do you think it
was production's idea or theirs? I have a feeling.
So what I know about Real Housewives and I keep
going back to Real Housewives because that's
my frame of reference. But what I know about
Real Housewives is like they the Housewives all
present ideas and production will let ideas through.
Production, from what I understand, does not
say do this so we can get this reaction. It's
all it's all supposed to be natural. I'll bet
you actual money that Jesse and Demi said, do
you know what would be so funny? And the production
was like, well, we'll pay to fly in a Chippendales
answer. Let's do it. A hundred percent. A hundred
percent. OK. Yeah. So we get to. We were done
with that scene. Zach's furious. That's that's
the long and short of it. We go to Halloween
with Michaela. I don't know if I fuck with Michaela.
I like her, but I don't know that I did at this
point in the season. Does she does she start
to grow on? Yeah, I think so. She's kind of like
awkward. I agree. Yeah. Like she's not. I don't
I don't want to sound mean. I don't want to sound
mean. I was about to say she's not like built
for reality TV. No. Because I feel like the type
of person, I'm not either. The type of person
who's built for reality TV is like instantly
likable. You instantly connect with them and
you get them. And that's just not really her.
Like it takes some growing. Yes. So like, anyway.
Her sisters show up at her house dressed as.
Her and Whitney. So confusing. I thought that
was so weird. That was. What I feel like is happening
here is I think the sisters are trying to get
on the show. Yeah, I think it was. They thought
it would be funny on the show, but it just came
off as like bizarre. Yeah, the whole thing was
weird to me. Michaela opens up about her chronic
health issue, i .e. eczema. Yeah. OK. And like
to her defense, she like. Was in the hospital
for a while because it got, like, so bad. And
it was all over her body. And she really had
trouble handling it. And I can't imagine being
an influencer, like, needing to post all the
time and being covered in red spots. That's fair.
However. However. Yeah. The way she presented
it. You're sitting across from someone that lives
with psoriasis. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I know.
Which is. almost bar for bar, exactly like eczema.
Yeah. I will say, because all I can picture in
my head right now are the videos of it literally
all over her body. Yes. On her stomach, her face,
her arms, her legs, everywhere. I've lived it.
I get it. It's hard. I 100 % get it. And so...
But the way she presented it in season one, I
think is why I have a problem because it's so
dramatic. Yes. You're not like stuck in a bed.
You don't have Crohn's disease. Right. Get off
the cross. You can eat, you can drink, you can
take care of your children, even when it's uncomfortable.
Right. It's also... I get that you're itchy,
girl, but, like, ugh. I don't know. Yeah, like,
I do think she should have had some kind of,
like, compassion for people with chronic illnesses
that are not eczema. Because, like... And now
she has it under control. Thank God. And what
a day the Lord has made. She opens up about being
sexually abused, which I feel like that was very
brave of her. Yeah. And not expected. I did not
expect that from her. I didn't expect the scene
to go there at all. And I guess she originally
told her mom I didn't believe her. And I feel
like that's a story that happens way, way, way
too often, which really fucking sucks. It really
broke my heart to hear. Yeah. That is so hard,
especially to know, like, the time frame that
she said she was, like, 9, 10, 11, 12 -ish. And
then she went on to have a baby when she was
16. And I think that stems from that. Because,
like, hypersexuality is, like, a huge thing for
kids who were abused. I don't know. It's just
really sad. It feels like all of her adolescence
was kind of stolen from her. I agree. And that
really fucking sucks. And I can separate that
from, like, not knowing if I really like her
right now. Oh, yeah. I think this was very, very
brave of her. She is a victim in that circumstance.
And that's so sad. And, yeah, brave to say that
on reality TV when you know millions of people
are watching. Mm -hmm. Good for you for standing
on your shit. Good for you. Even when your mom
wouldn't believe you. That's so sad. Jen and
Zach go for a walk. The most staged walk I've
ever seen in my whole life, by the way. That
was hard. Like a script was written, truly. Well,
I think Jen wrote a script and Zach said, I don't
want to read this. 100%. She knew how she wanted
that talk to go. And Zach said, uh -uh. Thank
you. Okay. So they unpack the Chippendales dance.
Jen starts by saying, I didn't know what was
going to happen. And then she says, well, the
girls were making jokes about it. I didn't think
anything was going to happen. Wait a minute.
Wait a minute. No. Did you know or were the girls
joking about it? Did you have reason to believe
that something could happen, Jen? Are you lying,
Jen? And then it tears away to the footage of
her getting her hair done and Jesse and Demi
saying, hey, we want to run this by you. We're
going to do like a quasi Chippendales dance.
Well, hang on. To be fair. Jesse said to Demi,
I think I'm going to have the guys dress up as
Chippendales dancers and have them do a tearaway.
And it's going to be a Chippendales costume.
They're going to show up in regular costumes.
It's going to be so funny. That's what we saw
in the flashback. OK, I feel like there's more
to that because I distinctly remember maybe they
haven't shown it yet, but they like ask her bar
for bar. Do you think you guys would be OK with
that? You guys being. I have a feeling that's
coming later. Yeah, like they're not like she
says, yes, there's not like any. Well, so I think
what we're coming to is realizing that. Jen has
a hard time telling the truth to multiple people.
Yes, she does. And I think this is where it's
going to come out, because I haven't seen the
part where that comes out yet. I've only seen
the part where. Demi's in the chair getting her
hair done and I'm sorry, Jen's in the chair getting
her hair done. And Jesse says, hey, what if we
did this? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe they're maybe
I'm misremembering or they show more later on.
But there was no like question about it. Jen
said she was cool with it, period. And she defends,
defends, defends. the whole way through yes but
it's like girl okay i get being a people pleaser
jen i do but it's not being a people pleaser
though this is not what that is lying is not
making anyone happy right like you're not pleasing
anyone by lying yeah and and i feel like she
thinks that The absence of truth is not a lie.
Like if she just doesn't say anything to Zach,
then it's not a lie. But it is, you know. But
it's not the absence of truth. It's just telling
an abject lie. Yeah. Well, I mean, like she should
have told Zach before because she knew before.
I agree. And that's the first time to me where
she's lying. Right. Because because she thinks
just not telling him is the way to go. And I
just completely disagree, especially when that's
your husband. And then to go on and talk to your
husband and say. Well, you're just putting me
in a situation where I have to pick between my
job and my husband, essentially. Well, she's
saying that she feels like she has to pick between
mom talk and her marriage. And I feel like what's
not being said here is I feel like Zach probably
said behind the scenes, it's me or the show.
Because I feel like, well, I feel like. I feel
like he blames the show for humiliating him in
his marriage. I feel like he... I just feel like
that's what was said. That's just where we're
at. They're not saying that on camera. I didn't
take it like that. I thought that it was more
she was saying, this group of women that I do
this with... Wants to do this, that and the other.
And my husband isn't OK with me doing any of
that stuff. So now I have to choose between being
friends with them and making these stupid videos
and whatever. Sure. Or being married to you.
Yeah, I agree. That's kind of how I took it.
I don't know. That's fair. And I can see being
in that position where it's like you have one
group of people saying, let's go out. Let's do
Chippendales. Let's drink. And then on the other
side, you have your husband being like, you need
to be a submissive woman. Right. Right. I agree.
It's hard. I don't think they should have come
on the show. I think if they were already having
issues in their marriage, they should not have
come on the show. I don't. And I'll say that
for all of reality TV. Oh, yeah. All of these
marriages that are on the rocks need to stay
off of reality TV, especially if you're not okay
with airing all your shit. Whitney has her baby.
Yay. This is a lavender marriage, right? Oh,
well, I sent you that video of Zach pinning Whitney's
husband up against the wall, right? Oh, yeah.
Yeah. That's hard. This is hard. It's hard to
watch. And when she had her baby, is it sick
that all I could think of is that one time when
she made a tick tock by her sick baby in the
hospital? Do you remember that? Yes. She got
canceled for that. Yes. That's. Yeah. OK. Yeah.
Not much to say on that. Congratulations. You
had a baby. Love that. Everyone goes to a farm
situation with their kids. Jen doesn't go because
she's depressed. That Ferris wheel. Being so
comfortable in that Ferris wheel was wild to
me because you. I'd rather go on wagon wheel.
Watch you see. I don't know. I'm not a big. Ferris
wheel girl. That's the thing. I'll go to like
Kings Island, Six Flags, Cedar Point and like
those roller coasters and be fine. Yeah. But
fair rides freak me out. Yeah, because they're
just like set up and like. Yeah, they're rickety.
Yeah. Like, do I really trust that you guys tighten
the bolts all the way this time? No. The girls
all kind of agree that Jen is a little bit rotten
and. See, we're getting very close to a point
where I have to tell you that I feel for Jen.
Okay. Because she, I don't want to tell you until
after Whitney goes to her house. Okay. We're
not there yet. We'll get into that later. But
yeah, they go to the farm. They're on the Ferris
wheel. They all hate Jen. Some of the girls go
through a corn maze while Taylor and Miranda
go to chat. And then Taylor wants to be completely
honest about the situation and. Or about the
swinging situation, and I feel like Miranda and
Taylor should have gotten together ahead of the
situation and chatted and said, this is what
I'm going to say on camera and they should have
compromised. That's what I feel like should have
happened. I feel like Taylor and I kind of love
her for this wouldn't have ever let that happen
like she's the one that I feel like no I'm gonna
say what I want to say and I'm gonna say it on
TV You know, I see that from her more than Miranda.
And I also feel like Miranda is so scared of
telling the truth. But like, if you were going
to come on to the show and be, quote unquote,
part of mom talk, you're going to have to just
own it at some point, girl. Well, so this is
what it comes down to. Taylor said Taylor. They
cut to a confessional and Taylor says, this is
what we did. I'll start listing everything off.
They had sex with their respective husbands in
the shower and in the same bed together at the
same time. They blindfolded each other and guessed
whose husband they were kissing. Then they basically
filmed a girls gone wild scene. Yeah, like nothing
crazy. I also don't know if she's telling the
real juice of it. In that confessional either,
because she didn't say it in the original TikTok.
She's not saying it in any conversations. I don't
think she would go on to say it there either.
I think we're getting the tamest version regardless.
I'm I'm OK with this version. Honestly, like
if this is what this is, this is their business
that they can share. They cannot share. I feel
like they just need to be on the same page. But
what they're sharing, I think, is the long and
short of it. For sure. And what it comes down
to is Miranda was embarrassed. And that's fair
because the Mormon. Especially coming from the
church. Yes. Yeah. The church makes it hard to
be completely honest about this stuff because
there's so much stigma put around this stuff.
If you want to swing, swing. If you want to have
a hundred different partners, I don't care. Right,
but John Smith does. But John Smith cares. Joseph
Smith. Joseph Smith. Yeah. You're going to outer
darkness. I'm not. I'm not my man. I don't know
his name. Jay Smith. The way they leave it. I
feel like Miranda actually wants to fix things
and Taylor actually wants to fix things. And
I and what I appreciate is I feel like there's
a genuine friendship there and they they want
to get back to that. Yeah, I agree, and I think
Chase being out of the picture really helps with
that for them. Like, Miranda getting that divorce
is definitely key in them ever being friends
again. I did think they were both, like, pretty
mature about the conversation. Like, Taylor wasn't
dragging out everything she could for Miranda.
I agree. She was respectful of the boundary.
And Miranda didn't like fly off the handle about
her reputation or anything like that. I felt
like they were both kind of like cool headed.
Well, I like where they ended that conversation.
I actually, I felt really good about that. Yeah.
Michaela goes to see a sexual trauma specialist
and I, a couple of things. One, I didn't know
that this was like its own specialty. Bless you.
Excuse me. I didn't know that this was its own
specialty. And I also feel like this lady is
really, really good at her job. I felt the same
way. She made me feel safe through the TV. Yeah.
Like she definitely did a good job of like making
it known that Michaela was in a safe space and
she could share her truth and she would be heard.
Well, she was also like, call it out. Say how
you feel. Yeah. Put a name to it. Yes. You know,
and that I think is really powerful, especially
even outside of the church. I feel like women
are always told to kind of like push it down,
push it down. What you feel is dramatic. What
you feel is not real. It's all in your head.
So I think that was really, really good to have
on TV, especially with like teenagers watching
because I'm sure teenagers love this show. I
also having it on TV, period. But like, I feel
like filming it is incredibly brave because you're
you have to reckon with a lot of this. Number
one. Number two, you have to know this person
may or may not see it. And their family and the
people who defend your abuser. Yes. And you have
to stand in the face of all of them and be like,
no, this happened to me and I was hurt by it.
Right. And still am. Right. And it's like, I
will give that to her. So what she is doing had
to be a very scary thing to do. I'm very proud
of her for doing that. Yeah. Yeah, let that man
try to touch her. I'll be in Utah in two seconds.
Let's go to Utah. Whitney is at the house with
her baby. Taylor and Macy show up to visit. Yeah,
it's very like mom's stuck at home because the
baby's brand new and she wants all the tea. Is
there talking about the the chaos from the Halloween
party? And this is where Whitney realizes I missed
this life. Yeah, I feel like that was kind of
when she decided like. I need to be in Mom Talk.
And part of me is okay with that. Listen, if
you want to make your money on TikTok with five
other women and have fun, I think you should
do that. Yeah. Especially with the amount of
money they're pulling in. Well, that, but also...
she was part of the original mom talk and like
if you like there's yeah like it's fine like
i i don't i don't know if i like her but like
i remember last week i said i don't like her
i don't know if that's gonna change i don't know
if i like her i'm warming up to her i've finished
the season and i still like i don't love her
i just feel kind of like She might be middle
of the pack for me. I don't love her. There is
one moment, and I already talked about it kind
of, where I really do respect her and, like,
see her as a good friend. But otherwise, like,
she's just kind of neither here nor there for
me. We'll get there. Jen and Zach are in a very,
very dark place, and Jen's pregnant. Yeah. It's
rough. It's really rough. Janet's having a crisis
of conscience, I feel like, because she starts
talking about, I'm not the person I want to be
when I'm bringing a baby into this world. 100%.
And I think she's self -aware that she's dealing
with drama that's not age -appropriate for her.
Because we're talking about lying and hiding
things from your man, who's your husband and
father of your children, not just your little
boyfriend. I agree. And I think she's... And
I respect that about her. I think she's self
-aware that she's lying to her friends and hiding
things and isn't where she wants to be. And that's
good. I don't think you can ever improve if you
never realize that you're not where you want
to be. You have to realize that there's room
for improvement to ever improve. Where I want
her to be is not on this show. Really? As of
now, yes. I don't know how I feel. I don't...
I do think she, ideally, like, for everyone in
her life to be happy, I do think she has to step
away from all these women because she needs to
live a more, I hate to say it, Mormon life than
the rest of them because I think to appease Zach
and to bring their kids through life the way...
her husband wants her to and all of that, if
she really, like, is committed to that, I think
she has to step away from all of this. However,
I will say I knew Jen before I knew Taylor because
of her dancing on the counter for her baby videos.
I saw those on TikTok, like, years and years
ago. And, like... She never gave that to me.
So unfortunately, I think a big part of it is
that I think a lot of her problems stem from
her and Zach not being a good match in the sense
that she wouldn't have had to lie about the Chippendales
thing. She never would have had the crash out
in Vegas. She never would have had all of these
issues if it weren't for the ideals of her husband.
I agree. I just don't think they're a good match.
I feel like either she needs to get a divorce,
which I don't see happening. Nope. Or she needs
to step away from these girls because these girls
and her husband have very different ideas of
how she should be living her life. I agree. And
it's sad. It is. So that's the end of episode
three. Episode four, the book of taboos. I had
a lot of ups and downs in this episode. I'm going
to be very real with you. You didn't know Layla
had ever had an orgasm? No. they talk about it
in the first season, but it's like very, I don't
remember the first season. I'm going to be honest.
Like that was a fever dream. I don't remember
what Whitney did. I want, I want us to go back.
Like after we finish the season two, I want us
to go back and like rewatch season one. Because
I. I don't remember any. I know this is embarrassing.
I know that Whitney did a whole bunch of shit,
but I don't actually remember what she did. I
feel like I know I didn't like Whitney. And that's
why I opened season two with being like demon
monster. Whitney is bad. Yeah. But like, I don't
remember any. But I did remember that Layla had
never had an orgasm because like, look at her.
Why does no man do it for her? I do think it's
she's talked about it a little bit. I don't think
it's. All just the men she's hooked up with.
She said that she has like a lot of internalized
guilt around sex in general. We get to that.
Yeah. So it's like I kind of get that. Taylor,
Michaela and Macy go to brunch. We find out I
don't know if we find this out or this is something
we already knew. I this is the first time I remember
hearing it. Dakota's newly sober. So Taylor felt
like she had to check on him after the whole
thing was said and done at the Halloween party.
Yeah. I feel like Taylor is working on herself
and I feel like she's becoming more self -aware,
which I really like about Taylor because I don't
I think she's very different from she. Who I
remember her being in the first season. A hundred
percent. I think that she's a more mature version
of herself this season than she was before. She's
not making so many excuses for herself. She's
standing on what needs to be stood on and admitting
when she's wrong more, which I really appreciated.
I liked to see that she was going to couples
therapy with Dakota to try to. make amends with
him i thought that was very mature of her i think
that's mature but i have a problem with her psychiatrist
being the couple's therapist because i think
that's a conflict of interest number one i i
think if anything i hate to defend a man but
i think it's unfair to dakota because you have
a psychiatrist who is like your individual psychiatrist
is kind of like a team player for you. They want
to see you do better. They want to see you improve.
And they're, like, biased towards your mental
health. And so, like, it's just not really fair
because I feel like how can Dakota's side be
heard? I agree. I don't know. Yeah, that is weird.
Macy brings up that she got a sinner Sunday confession
that someone hooked up with Brett while Demi
was on a trip. I don't know if I believe it,
but I don't know if I don't believe it. Yeah.
Like, I mean, obviously, I see kind of how it
shakes out in the end, but you never know the
real truth, obviously, because it was an anonymous
thing. But I just feel because, like, the only
time Demi was away was for Vanderpump Villa.
And so that's when they were saying this must
have happened and la la da. I don't know. Well,
we'll see how this goes, because this comes up
towards the end of this episode, which I feel
like is a cliffhanger into the next episode.
Yeah. It doesn't really come to a head until
the last five minutes of episode 10. Can't wait.
It did not shake out how I thought it would.
Ladies and gentlemen, did not. Jen goes to Miranda's
house because I feel like Miranda is the only
one talking to her at this point. Yeah, I like
the idea of Jen and Miranda being friends because
I. Do you? In the sense of like what I said before,
where I think Jen and Zach are not a good match.
I think Miranda could be a great example of like
how she could be happy and not married, maybe.
Sure. And let me just. I understand that Jen
and Zach love each other. I'm not saying that
they don't. What I'm saying is she's an emotional
wreck, and I think part of it is that she and
her husband don't get along. That's all I'm saying.
So this brings me to the only thing I wrote down
about this scene. Jen is miserable in her marriage,
and she causes spiritual warfare. Yeah. Lord
have mercy. Which is so dramatic. Like, you're
miserable in your marriage. That's okay. Because
she brings it back to like, I feel like I'm not
close to God anymore. And like, I get like someone
who came from the church. I get that that's hard.
Those two things aren't related, babe. No. And
I think it really comes back to they just aren't
talking about their actual big issues. Yes. They're
not compatible. She and Zach. That's what I'm
saying. Like, she could be so happy on her own.
And I think Zach could be happy on his own. And
I think they would be wonderful at co -parenting.
I think that they could definitely figure that
out. I don't think either of them wants that.
I think they want to somehow make it work. It's
just not working. I agree. The boys go golfing.
Yeah. What did you think about this scene? Zach
is like trying to be big and strong. I don't
I didn't even take it like that. Zach wants to
confront the guys about the whole Chippendales
thing. And I thought his approach was very, very,
very healthy and very good until he said, yeah,
you touched my wife without consent. That's what
really got me. When he treated it like sexual
assault, he lost me. I was like, you are not
this big macho man who's convincing Brett that
he committed a crime. Well, I don't even think
he was trying to do that. Like, because he said,
well, if I want to be, he said, if I wanted to
be petty, I could say this. Well, you just said
it on camera. Yeah, babe. You just said it, number
one. And, but what I will give. brett and jordan
is that i think they navigated that landmine
pretty well i think so too i think they all kind
of kept a cool head i mean even zach to a point
kind of like kept his cool no one was like screaming
or anything well because i think this you in
this situation you have three rational people
talking to each other i think i wouldn't call
zach rational i i think what the guys he is I
think his opinion on the Chippendales thing in
general is not rational. OK, that's fair. You
know, I think he was hand handling this moment
rationally, maybe. Yeah, I think I think if that's
going to be your opinion, that your girl isn't
allowed to see men dance, then you handled it
well. Sure. But it's just I can't believe that's
the hill you're willing to die on. But. Here
again, we find ourselves in a situation where
Jen has told Zach a completely different story
than everyone else knows. And the guys are all
calling it out. And what I really appreciated
about Brett was the way he said, you need to
at least be open to this being a possibility.
And Zach is still like, well, if I find this
out, it's really going to suck. Baby found it
out before this. This is not the first time you're
hearing. My wife is a liar, basically. Right.
I will say. So before he talked to Demi and Jesse,
who are the wives of Brett and Jordan? So it's
like. from his perspective, is this just a united
front against Jen or is this true? You know what
I mean? I can see that. Cause they're not like
separate from their wives in my mind. You know
what I mean? Um, but I don't know. I don't know.
Now he's hearing it from both sides. And so I
feel like that's when he starts to be like, okay,
Jen definitely knew, which she did. We, we go
to a scene of Taylor just driving in her car.
But let me tell you something. Taylor is wearing
this Goyard bag out. She is. She loves that tote.
She loves that Goyard tote. And she's either
sponsored by Goyard or, like, she got it as a
gift from someone she really, really loves. Like,
one of those two things is happening. If I had
a giant Goyard bag and a little baby, that would
be my diaper bag, too. I respect it, girl. They
have some flashbacks to therapy where Dakota's
wearing a hat again. Thank God. Thank God. That
hairline needs help. But it's not the hairline.
It's the way the, it's like he's pulling his
hair back and it's. Well, it's because he does
have a bad hairline. Like it goes back on both
sides really far. And then to make matters worse
in the middle where it has stayed, where it's
supposed to be is thinning so bad. Okay. So it's
like you have these little cul -de -sacs. The
things that I have. And then the thinning. Yeah,
I guess. But yours doesn't look as bad because
it's like if your hair was thinning in the middle.
That's what Dakota's hair is like. I'll kill
myself when my hair starts thinning in the middle.
Poor guy. He's like early 30s. He's not even
that old. He's like, he's all right. Well, he's
my age, but anyway. How old am I? I don't know.
He is saying all the right things in therapy.
Yeah. What concerns me is, do you know who else
used to do this? Big Joe, my ex uncle. Yeah.
Who went in front of the people that mattered.
He would say all of the right things. He would
get you to believe that he was on the right path.
And that is a bipolar narcissist is who my ex
-uncle is. And I believe we might have the same
thing on our hands with one Mr. Dakota. Yeah,
I do think he like definitely turns it on for
therapy and then turns it off when he's alone
with Taylor. And also turns it on for the confessionals,
like where it's just him talking to the camera.
Yeah. He comes across as very victim, very, I
want my family to be together. I want to be the
good guy. And then he can't do that when the
cameras are around the rest of the time. I don't
get it. There's a scene where you haven't gotten
there yet, but this is not a spoiler. Taylor
drops the baby off at Dakota's apartment and
he doesn't have wipes. To be fair, if you ever
drop August off at my house. But you're not his
dad. Okay, that's fair. You should. I don't know.
If you have a baby, you should have a whole setup
for when you're expecting them. You need to have.
He wants to live like he lives in. He wants to
live like I did at IU. Then stop having babies
and stop saying you want your family together.
I agree. You don't want your family together.
Oh, my God. It's the whole thing. But yeah, I
don't know how I feel about it because I also
think that Taylor kind of does that. Oh, yeah.
I feel like she. They're both immature. Yeah.
And I feel like they're both kind of manipulative
people. And so we're watching them try to manipulate
each other. That's hard. It's a lot to watch.
I feel like they're going to end up back together
at least two times before they're done done.
Oh. At least. I think it's that kind of toxic
couple where they're addicted to the toxicity.
Oh, yeah. Where they fear that if they enter
a new relationship, they'll miss the drama. They'll
be bored by a healthy relationship. Yeah. I agree.
We go to Demi's sex party. Loved that, by the
way. I loved it. I hated it. And here's here's
the thing. So they found the one sex coach in
Utah to come to this party. That poor woman.
Bless her heart. Because aside from her day to
day job of dealing with people in Utah of all
places. Trying to have sex with each other. Right.
She's like, OK, I guess I'm going to go on TV
now. And she shows up to Demi's house. Where
they can't they can't just be cool, immature
about it. That's the problem that I had. Yeah,
they're very like giggly and uncomfortable. Yeah.
And when they're doing the like exercise of it
all, when they're like playing with the toys
and whatever, finding what feels good for them.
no one is taking it seriously right and it's
like why did you come to this to be awkward and
weird right and like get into it or get out to
be fair there is some like there's like you have
to laugh some of that off you have to like get
through like that the giggles of it all but like
sure but they just seem like they couldn't get
out of middle school yeah you know like they
were just learning about sex right it was so
weird i don't know maybe it's just how it was
edited i don't know it probably was a big part
of it but i'm shocked and honestly kind of pleasantly
surprised everyone actually showed up well should
have been lingerie yeah like everyone looks so
good stunning like really good and it wasn't
like you'll get to an episode when we recap the
rehearsals of salt lake city where they all have
it's jen shaw's piece of shit garbage whore lingerie
party is what she calls it and Lisa Barlow shows
up in head to toe, like might as well have shown
up in a burka. But it was like like flannel pajamas.
Oh, my God. And these girls who I would argue
are much more conservative than Lisa Barlow.
Yeah. Showed up in real lingerie. And they all
looked incredible. They really did. They all
looked good. Yeah. Yeah. Loved it. During this
during the party, the dads are doing dad talk.
yeah i mean that's fine listen i'm glad they
all get along i really i agree yeah i think that
would be like really a rift if a lot of the men
had problems with each other but right but then
the part that actually was it was hard for me
to watch this part leila can't comprehend that
sex should be pleasurable for her too that actually
made me sad because they were like, what feels
good? Because her answer to the what do you like
question was, I like seeing my partner feel good.
And I think it was Demi asked her, no, what feels
good for you? And she said, what do you mean?
And that made me really sad. I think sex has
been such a problem for her in her life. And
unfortunately, even outside of the church, like
in society, that's just like, not really something
you can talk about. Like, you're not going to
make a TikTok and be like, I really struggle
feeling good about sex. Like, that's just not
really something. Okay, so here's my question.
Do you and I just have a very healthy relationship
with sex? Because when you and I talk about this
kind of stuff, I don't feel like we get weird
about it. Like, do you and I just have a healthy
relationship or, like, are we weird? No, I think
that... I don't know. I think that we have a
healthy relationship with sex and also that we
feel comfortable with each other. I also feel
like I wouldn't ever, like, go online and talk
about my sex life. You know what I mean? Okay,
okay, fair, fair, fair. Like, I just, I'm just
not like that. Like, I just can't. And most people
aren't, especially if you're having trouble in
the bedroom. Like, you're never gonna, like...
Oh, okay, yeah. Like, for Layla, I just don't
see her making a TikTok being, like... I can't
come. So it's, we're talking about two kind of
different, not two different issues, but two
ways of approaching it where she's, this is happening
in her life. And she's like, she's kind of honest
about it with herself, but then she has to be
honest about it on reality television. Yeah.
And okay. Okay. That's a different thing. Cause
it's like as separated as she is from the church.
I feel like she's still, it never leaves you
though. Yeah. She still has those ideals in her.
And then you have society as a whole, which is
sex positive, but only to a certain point. And
so it's like, we're a sex positive wink. Right.
Exactly. And so I don't think she necessarily
has the safe space to be like, yeah, listen,
this is something I really struggle with, especially,
Especially when she has this new boyfriend this
season who's very, very Mormon. I feel like he
wouldn't have liked that either if she was like,
yeah, we're having sex, but I don't like it.
They said that when they were at the at the car
or like at the Ferris wheel, though, when they
have sex. Yes. Yeah. She said, do you feel pressure
to make me come? Like she said that to him. Oh,
I don't remember. Yeah. What? Yeah. Oh. Is it
because she said that on TV? Is that why she
asked that? Because she said she's never come
like on TV. Do you think that's why she's asking?
Maybe. I don't know. But like. It is a hard situation.
I feel like a piece of shit if I was that guy.
I know. Make me come. I know, but I feel like
it has little to do with him and everything to
do with her. I think she feels so constricted
and guilty about I think she has a very Jesus
is watching kind of. Well, probably. But when
you if you ever listen to Derek and Romaine,
Romaine is like is is like a sexpert. And she
talks a lot about how. With guys, it's very easy
for a guy to get off in most scenarios. For a
girl, it is very psychological. Yeah, it's a
mental game more than anything. And I think she's
losing that battle. I agree. Which is hard to
watch. It is. I want her. I want nothing but
good things for her. I think Layla is so cool.
I know. Like, I want to be her friend really
bad. I want her to be a squirt queen. She deserves
it. She deserves it. We come to the final scene.
Macy got a book deal, I guess. Are we reading
this book? Are we going to read this book? Maybe
only because have you gotten? No, it's the next
episode. The one after what you're. So it must
be episode five. She opens up more about. what
the book is about okay and it's something very
relatable to me okay so we'll get there cool
it actually might be a good thing to talk about
on the podcast okay yeah because basically her
you know her son's dad died i think i i think
i knew that yeah yeah that's basically the gist
of it okay so she gets into this in the next
episode yeah okay is she like that actually would
be like you because you can relate to that a
lot you should talk about that on the next episode
when we recap that episode i'll talk about it
because yeah it's actually like a very similar
thing to what happened with jack's dad so yeah
i'm also willing we're gonna read this book i've
decided Yeah, I like Macy. I really do. She was
my favorite this season. She gets more airtime
in the later episodes, I feel like. She is just
such a sweet, perfect angel, but she still lives
for the drama. Do you feel like she kind of looks
like Sidney Sweeney? Yeah, I can see that. Okay,
because I started to see that in this episode,
and I was like, oh, now I know who she looks
like. I couldn't put my finger on who she looks
like. They go to a restaurant. She is actually
very beautiful. And she doesn't look like the
rest of them. She does look different from the
rest of them. She does look like Heather Gay's
daughters, though. She does. She does look like
Heather Gay's daughters. And I can tell that
she has some filler, but she hasn't filled up
her face. She hasn't overdone it, though. She's
done work very well. Yeah. Love her. Love, love,
love Macy. They go to a restaurant called Provisions
where they've also gone on Real Housewives of
Salt Lake City. And we will be going there when
we take the pod to Salt Lake City. We have to.
I didn't I didn't like Michaela showing up and
like needing to do the whole song and dance of
like the seating arrangement game. I hated that.
I think people who focus so much on seating arrangements
and who they're going to be next to and across
from are weird. I think you're weird. I think.
OK, so like I get if two people are mid fight,
like they are literally at each other's throats
and you want to separate them to keep your event
on track. Yes. To announce your book. Fine. But
other than that, fucking chill. Well, it's that
and like. I can't right now in my life. I cannot
think of one person. If you and I got invited
to a dinner party and I found out that I was
sitting next to anyone, I cannot think of one
person who I'd be sitting next to where I would,
I would have that reaction. Right. Even if it's
someone I don't like. Right. Like, because we
don't care. We've all been in that situation.
Like the. We have a person in our life who there's
been a lot of drama with recently and. I he's
dead to me at this point, but if you sat me next
to him at a dinner party, I just turn around
and talk to you. Right. Like it doesn't really
matter. And like, especially in an event like
this, where like, you know, your friend is just
putting this together to announce something like.
You're not going to have to come up with conversation
with these people for very long. Like, you're
here for Macy. Right. So why are you being weird?
Right. Whitney shows up and the clout conversation
starts up again. Again. They're all there for
clout. Right. Every single last one of them.
Right. Including Taylor. It was started for clout.
Right. So Whitney, though, I feel like I like
how she's approaching trying to get back into
the group where she's not she's not going too
hard. She does come off a little desperate in
her confessionals. I'm not going to lie to you.
She is kissing their feet a little bit, but I
feel like she has to. Yes. She's kissing the
ring a little bit. She's like she's friends with
Taylor. She's friends. She's like, I'm trying
friendly with everyone. She's not letting really
any of the conflict. stop her from being nice
to everyone, which is the right strategy. A hundred
percent. And so I think she's doing the right
thing in this scenario. We start to talk about
the book and then we find out Macy's dad gave
her a journal when she first found out she was
pregnant. And this is kind of what sparked the
whole thing of like, I'm going to write down
the good days. I'm going to write down the bad
days and everything in between. And yeah. And
I think that's kind of cool. And then Taylor
was super, super supportive, which I really,
really did like to see because I don't think
she would have been this person a year ago. No.
But did you see Demi's fucking face? Yes. So
Jen gets up to hug to hug Macy and they cut to
Demi, who is just rolling her eyes and she. She's
so mad. She's so mad. Keep this in mind as you
keep watching. how mad she looks. Yes. She is
so weird. She's not friends with any of these
people, I'm telling you. Well, the thing that
I couldn't figure out, is she mad at Jen getting
up to hug Macy, or is she mad at... She's mad
that Macy got a book deal. Okay, so... She's
mad that anyone gets anything that wasn't offered
to her first. Interesting. OK. OK. Just wait.
I cannot wait for you to see the fall of Denny.
I can't wait. So Macy announces that she's also
doing a celebrity pickleball tournament in Arizona,
which I have a feeling celebrity is a word we're
using very loosely. Yeah. It's like on the show,
like when she does it and. There's another host
there because she's like hosting it, right? She's
like announcing. There's another one there who's
allegedly a celebrity, too. I cannot for the
life of me. If I recognize who they were, I don't
remember it, which means they are not a celebrity.
Well, that has to be coming up in the next episode.
So I actually like I can't wait for this. And
then the girls decide to do a truth box because
they always go over so well. So they all throw
in their little, like, their little cards. And
they're all pretty inconsequential until we get
to Taylor, who opens up the card that says, I
think Jen is fake. And that's where the episode
cliffhangs. Right. And I mean, obviously we get
it. Jen has not been telling the truth to everyone.
She's kind of spiraling out. Like, I don't know.
She's like, I don't know. You need to watch the
next episode because it's just T, T, T, T, T,
T, T. I can't wait. Well, dear listener, that
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