I'm Travis. And I'm Emma. What's the last song
you listened to? Um, that's a good question.
Oh, Ivy by Frank Ocean. Oh, that's a good one.
I listened to Drinkin' by Joel Corey, MK, and
Rita Ora. I don't know it, but I know I would
like it. I know you would too, because it's Rita
Ora just going, drinkin' all night, drinkin'
all night. Yeah, that's beautiful. I love it.
That's exactly what I wanted it to be. We have
a lot this week. Yeah, well, okay, so this episode,
we're going to complain, and then we have a lot
to talk about in the realm of reality television.
We've got to go through Secret Lives of Mormon
Wives, Jesus, and talk about the Traitors cast,
and then I also have to let out some opinions
about Love Island. I must. I just, it's insanity.
So do you want to start with complaining or do
you want to start with your child or do you want
to start with Cupcake's new song? Let's start
with Cupcake's new song, shall we? Cupcake. Have
you heard it yet? No. Is it great? Hang on. I
don't. I'm going to play a little clip, but I
don't want to get copyrighted in our first. 10
episodes. You know what I mean? Emma's going
to listen to it. We're going to we're going to
reconvene. It's it's literally called one of
the bedbugs ate my pussy. Hang on. Let me make
sure I have this right. Is it about sleeping
naked? No, no. That's what it gives. Has nothing
to do with that. It's called one of my bedbugs
ate my pussy. That's beautiful. And I'll listen
to it and we'll be right back. So we're back.
Emma just heard it. That was iconic. She is the
voice of our generation. The beat is actually
so good. Yeah, like if you could censor the lyrics,
which you just could not possibly do to that
song, I would bump it in the car. But that can't
be censored. That can't be for public consumption.
I loved it. I loved it. I think the title makes
me think about sleeping naked. That's why I can't
sleep naked, because I feel like bugs and dust
and lint are going to be all in my coochie. But
that's not what it was about. No, but I want
to call out three of my favorite lyrics. Yeah.
L .A. fires wouldn't happen if a bitch just squirt.
One, one. Sniffs, sniffs. He gonna miss this
face like when Trump got shot. Wow. Two. Wow.
You know, when she wrote that down, she said,
mm -hmm, mm -hmm, mm -hmm, mm -hmm. She said,
this is, we're doing art. And then number three,
itsy bitsy spider crawled in my booty crack.
Down came the rain when I threw this coochie
back. And here's the real tea of all of it. There
is one writer credit on this song. It is Elizabeth
Harris. Do you want to take a wild guess on what
Cupcake's real name is? Elizabeth Harris. Elizabeth
Eden Harris. Oh, Cupcake, you've done it again.
I knew she wrote that song. You can just tell.
By herself. You can just tell by the vibes. She
has a mind. I wish I wish I had a quarter of
the creativity of the gumption that she does.
Wow. Cupcake. We love you. She has a mind that
we could never wish for. And that's that's that's
that on that. Wow. If you haven't heard one of
my bed bugs ate my pussy, please tune in wherever
you stream your music. Please. I'll give you
my password. How many monthly listeners does
Cupcake have? I don't. Does that tell you? 2
.1 million. Shut your whore mouth. Oh, I'm not
even surprised. That's amazing. Also, Deep Throat
has 120 ,000. I'm sorry, 120 million streams.
And I believe Travis to be at least 20 million
of those. Do you have anything to complain about?
So much, really. But I'm kind of at a like. I
have so much to complain about, but all I've
seen for like. two weeks are people in Gaza,
people in Iran, and people in LA who are dealing
with such strife that I feel like the most privileged
woman in the world. So I'm going to forego my
complaining in solidarity with immigrants and
also the whole entirety of the Middle East, except
for Israel, sorry. That's fair. I have two things
to complain about if you if you don't have any.
Please do. OK, one. One is going to make me sound
like an asshole now that you've taken a moral
stance. Oh, I just wanted to say something in
this episode about it. That's fair. Yeah, I don't.
I still have a loss I've been complaining about
internally. Don't get me wrong. No, I feel like
for me, I don't know that I have anything productive
to add to the conversation. So I feel like I'm
uncomfortable. unpacking some of those subjects
because I don't know how to talk about it. Like
someone who's very, very good at it is like Hassan
Biker, who. Under like, like fully understands
like the facets that the implications of everything.
And not to mention he's in California. So he's
like, so he gets it. Yeah. He was at the protest.
Right. But yeah, if you'd like more details about
what's happening in Iran and Gaza or in LA, highly
recommend listening to Austin Piker. Did you
say Austin Piker? Hassan. Hassan. I thought H
-A -S -S -A -N was Hassan. I don't know. Anyway,
however you want to say it, listen to that hottie.
Because there's two white people from Indiana,
we can only say so many, you know. That and like,
I fully like, I just feel like I don't have anything
productive to add to the conversation. I'm just
going to be very real with you. Like I, my heart
goes out to literally everyone that is impacted
by literally all the bullshit going on in the
world right now because there is so much. my
goal with this podcast is to bring some lightheartedness
to everyone's day and especially in the deep
dark times that we are currently exactly and
like me talking about it is like it would be
the most uneducated takes on it well that's what
i'm saying like if we really wanted to get into
it i would sound so stupid compared to people
who have prepared research and pieces and maybe
that's one of our let's research mamas like that
is Yeah. Maybe that is something that I that
I can unpack. It's just not. But that's not what
we're doing today. No. I was just saying because
the last week has been like particularly horrible.
It has been horrific. Especially with the militarization
of ICE in in California. Yeah. So anyways, what
are we complaining about? So the thing that's
going to make me sound like an asshole. I went
to Swig. I went to the drive through of Swig
on Washington Street. I get in the drive -thru.
I am the second car in line, right? The car in
front of me is a minivan with nine kids in it.
And I want everyone to enjoy Swig. Swig, please
sponsor the podcast. This is not an attack on
you. We love Swig. We love Swig. I'm drinking
a Swig right now. That being said, there is a
minivan in front of me with a mom and, like,
nine kids. And the thing that is really triggering
to me about every Swig except for the one in
Greenwood is that you cannot go in and just pick
up your order. You cannot just pop your head
in and be like, oh, it's on the counter waiting
for me, whatever. You must wait in the drive
-thru. They will not pull a car forward like
you're at an Arby's. They will not allow it.
And so I waited in this drive through and I am
not exaggerating for 20 full minutes. Mind you,
all they sell is little snacks and sodas like
there had to be so many of them. But that's the
thing they kept. They just kept handing. Soda
is out, like out and out and out. And I was like,
that's, I love that. Like there, but it's like,
it was a million little ones. So like what, what
it tells me is like the kids couldn't make up
their minds. So it was, let's just, let's have
a, let's have a smorgasbord. Let's have a fun
time. And like, I see what the mom was trying
to do. You should have ordered ahead. You should
have said, I have a mobile order for Christine.
I assume. I don't know. Yeah. And that's where
we're at. I like, I get it. I want those kids
to have a good time and have some yummy drinks.
I do. But, like, now you're making the whole
community pay for it. Yes. During Pride Month.
We went to a water park last week. Oh, my God.
Sorry. This is so off topic. We went to a water
park last week. And it was a Thursday. We got
there at 1 .30 p .m. Filled to the brim to the
point where I was afraid we were going to have
to wait outside because they were going to be
at capacity. Packed, packed, packed, packed,
packed. It was insane. We saw Jack's kindergarten
teacher there. Like, insane. Insane. And remind
me to comment on that when we talk about Jack
again in a second. Okay. Perfect. So the second
thing I have to complain about is... A movement
that's taking hold on TikTok that I want to start
off by saying I don't I don't want to attack
any one specific person, anyone, any specific
group of people. But there is this there is a
group of people on TikTok called the 4 a .m.
Club. This is rooted in a phenomenon that occurred
on November. 6th of 2024 so the night after or
like the the the morning hours after election
night right so this whole phenomenon stems from
a woman waking up at four o 'clock in the morning
and we all just knew in that moment that donald
trump won the election and Millions of people
on TikTok were commenting saying I also woke
up. I've heard about this, not on TikTok, like
on Twitter of everyone saying they woke up that
night. I I also woke up that night. I very vividly
remember waking up and I told you about this.
I woke up and I said, oh, God. And I think. Is
it not an anxiety thing? I think it is. I'm just
guessing here. But anyway. So. The the creator
founder of the 4 a .m. club is a psychic. And
she's been speaking to, I guess, ghosts. I don't
I don't know. I don't know. I'm not I'm not attacking.
I don't understand spirituality. This is something
I need to be very clear about. she's speaking
to who or whatever she's speaking to. And they're
telling her about what's really going on in the
world. Like in, in the beginning, what it was
was Kamala Harris really won. The election is
what the, what we were being sold. Oh, this was
that whole thing where they were like, I'm not
going to believe it. I know that she won. Okay.
Yeah. Yes, it's that. And it is stemmed into
a TikTok that I sent Emma earlier with with the
text Jesus Christ in all caps, where it's a woman
who is a member of the 4 a .m. club. And I won't
take this away from anyone. If you want to. Believe
whatever you want to believe. I won't take that
away from you. But what what scares me about
the 4 a .m. club is that it's giving people false
hope. And it's exactly what I believe MAGA was
doing in 2020. It is identical to what they were
doing. And. And so this tick tock goes on to
talk about how we're in an alternate timeline.
We. Isn't that kind of the whole point of. alternate
timelines in general aren't you always in an
alternate timeline because there are like millions
of different possible timelines anyway maybe
i don't know that's a whole theory that i've
gotten into we can talk about it in another episode
but If you believe in multiple timelines, then
you are always in an alternate timeline. You're
in an alternate timeline than if you chose something
different for breakfast this morning. But are
you in an alternate timeline or are you just
existing and then the timelines existing around
you? I don't under, this is a thing that I cannot
understand. My little Kentucky brain cannot understand.
See, that's an interesting question because I
always interpreted it as there are multiple dimensions
in which I exist and I'm doing different things
in all of them. Does that make sense? I won't
take that away from you, but I don't understand
that. I hear you. I hear I can conceptualize
what you're saying. I do not understand it. It
goes into the whole thing of like multiple universes.
And maybe maybe they're out there. We should
talk about that in a things we don't understand
episode. We'll get into that. I love that string
theory and multiple universes and all of that.
That would be fun. But this one is saying that.
We're in an alternate timeline in which Donald
Trump won the election. And we are our job as
the 4 a .m. club is to collapse this timeline
into the right timeline. And now we're verging
into the territory of psychosis. I fear like
this is this is what I don't understand. And
this is what I'm complaining about is why can
like I we're I'm going to go on record. I do
not like. The presidency, I do not like the administration.
I do not like anything about it. I have not liked
anything since November of 2024. I've been mad
about it. I would argue I haven't been happy
since November of 2016. Fair. But, like, we didn't
do this in 2016. I didn't see any of the mentally
ill or any of the clairvoyance. telling us that
well if we just crush this timeline then we'll
go to an alternate time then what what then what
diva like i at some point you just have to take
the loss and like almost it kind of sounds like
they need a reality check of like yes it's horrible
and yes it's scary and all of these things but
donald trump is the president right and it For
what it's worth, there's nothing you as an individual
can do to change it. No. The only thing you could
do is get out and vote next time, Diva. No. And
here's the God's honest truth. You know, there
are these like there there's the pro V &V lawsuit
going on right now where if there is any merit
to it, I am thrilled and excited. That's not
the same as destroying a timeline and jumping
to an alternate reality in which Kamala Harris
won. It's. proving what happened in this timeline
in this universe and that's and that's the thing
is we're talking about psychosis we're talking
about like crazy shit and i'm just like we we
have to live in reality babe we gotta we gotta
figure it out together are you ready for reality
roundup oh i'm so ready so we've got the traitor
season forecast on our list we've got the first
two episodes of the second season of secret lives
and mormon wives and then you said you had I
have something to say about Love Island. Fun
fact, I've only ever watched like half of an
episode of Love Island. I don't think you would
be into it. And honestly, I just wasn't going
to ever comment on it. No, I want you to comment
on it. Okay. So what you need to know is that
the last season of Love Island was. So iconic.
Like I would, it was probably the biggest season
to ever occur of Love Island, including in the
UK. Like it was huge. And we got like celebrities
out of it. Like people who now have millions
of followers, they're getting brand deals, they're
doing all these things. Right. And they're getting
their own spinoff show, in fact, because everyone
loves that cast so much. Love that. Yeah. And
good for them. They were all hot. They all had
very distinctive personalities and they all you
could tell they got on really well. Like they
all really liked each other. And it was cool
because it was like you were seeing friendships
blossom as well as like these romantic relationships.
Oh, I love that. It was beautiful. Yeah. It has
caused a rift in Love Island, though, because
now. We have this problem with the girls where
the whole point of the show, right, is to go
date a bunch of people and, like, be hot, right?
What a dream. What an absolute dream. That's
really the only rule of the show. Be hot and
date multiple people, okay? And it's turned into
this thing where... If you go after someone's
man, you're not a girl's girl. Jesus Christ.
As if you're not on love fucking island. But
that's the point of the show, though, Diva. I
know. And do you actually think let me let me
ask you this, because from the half of an episode
I've watched, I got the entire vibe. Do you actually
think when you leave Casa Amor or whatever the
fuck it's called that. You're leaving with your
fucking husband or your wife. Do you actually
believe that? It's happened so few times. Like,
OK, that's the other thing about last season
is that three of the couples, the big three that
everyone was obsessed with, they're still together
a year later. That is shocking to me. And you
could have you could have said, is this true
or false? And I would have told you that is an
abject lie. Right. But last season was such an
independent. It was so different from anything
we've ever seen on Love Island. And so people.
But it was it was such a huge draw that that
was like people's first experience of Love Island.
And so now they're like, oh, they're going to
get married. Oh, OK. OK, I see what you're saying.
And listen, I do think the girls should have
the other girls backs in the sense of like they
should be there for them when they're upset and
they should, you know. That's how you're a girl's
girl. Be friends. I just I have a huge problem
with this season and I don't even want to say
her name because she's been getting so much hate
online. It's the one who's a mother. She's saying.
One of them is not a girl's girl because of a
vote that America had. Anyone in America was
voting for who this girl should pair up with.
And we all chose the mom's man, right? Because
they've been together since the beginning and
they haven't experienced anyone else. And you
could tell his name is Jeremiah was into this
new girl. OK, so the next morning they get a
text at like 5 a .m. All the new couples are
going on a date, blah, blah, blah, blah. This
girl has done nothing wrong to the mom, right?
Nothing wrong to her. And she goes on this tirade
about. Iris isn't a girl's girl. You can just
tell she's holding stuff back, blah, blah, blah,
blah. Oh, Jesus Christ. We have lost the plot
of Love Island, and that is all I really wanted
to say about it. I think people have really forgotten
what the show is about. It's about being hot
and dating multiple people. You're not finding
your kid's stepdad there. No. You're not finding
your future husband there. I get that you're
there to find love, whatever. Love in the sense
of dating for six months, perhaps. Love in the
sense of getting your puss ate. Right. In front
of everyone else because you all share a bedroom.
That's what you're there for. And I want you
to do that. I want to see it. That's why I watch.
I don't watch to see you sneaking around listening
to the boys' conversations. I don't watch it.
So that I can see how strong your connection
is with the other girls. I would argue that I
don't give a fuck how strong your connection
is. No. God. Like that's just a God's honest
truth, Eva. Every single challenge they have
in the whole show, they're all kissing each other.
That's like the premise of every single challenge
that they have is that they all make out with
each other. I love that. Like, that's what you're
there for. I don't understand how you can be
possessive and how you can be, like, catty. It's
my freshman year at IU. Like, have a good summer,
mama. Ugh. Anyway. Anyway. Let's get into Traitors.
I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I can't wait
for this. So, Traitors season four is confirmed.
There's not a date yet for the premiere, but
we have the cast. And there are some huge highlights.
There are some highlights. And then there are
some names that I don't know, because to be fair,
like, I think there are different sects of reality
TV watching. And some of them I just don't watch.
But Candace Dillard Bassett. They did her dirty
with this picture. I don't think this is a great
picture. No, but you know, she's going to eat
so hard on that show. The aesthetics of all of
it. I can't wait. And the thing about Candace
is she is smart. Like she is intelligent and
she is going to go the fuck in on these people
and like make them regret the day they were born.
And she's not scared of any fucking body at all.
Like she will say what she thinks, period. She
does not care. I feel like she's almost going
to bring the energy that Bob the Drag Queen brought.
Which is funny because Monet X Strange is also
on this list. Right, which is who I don't care
about. We'll get there, we'll get there. I'm
so excited for Candace. That's like a huge highlight
for me. That's a win for me. Caroline Stanbury.
Yeah, I didn't really know her because I didn't
watch Housewives of Dubai. So before Housewives
of Dubai, Caroline Stanbury was on a show on
Bravo called Ladies of London. Which is. Oh,
right. Yeah. You talk to me about that. An incredible,
incredible sociology experiment of dropping in
women from the United States into London society.
We're like. there's like real rules to London
society and like watching these people interact
was just a fucking field day. They have a type
of old money that doesn't exist in America. Like,
right. Cause it like literally goes back farther
than America. Yeah. Like, but Caroline Stanberry
is part of that old money thing. Like she has
money. I mean, you live in Dubai. Yeah. Right.
Um, So I'm very excited for Caroline Stanberry.
And she is someone who I'm excited to see people
attack her almost and not because I want her
to get attacked, but because when she was on
Ladies of London and it was the same way on Real
Housewives of Dubai, she was unshakable, like
similarly to the way Candace is like where it's
like you you can't tell her shit. it's so good
i love that i hope they're best friends i hope
so too but and that's the thing is like what
tends to happen on traitors what i've noticed
is the housewives tend to pair off yeah even
when they're not from the same cities they do
even if they don't like each other they do tend
to gravitate towards one another yeah they are
like a very different breed than like someone
from survivor big brother you know what i mean
um I'm excited to see Dorinda back. Dorinda Medley.
I am so excited to see Dorinda back. She left
far too soon. She was the first elimination.
Yeah. And I think they knew when she was killed
first. She was coming back. That she needed to
come back because she didn't really get her moment.
And like she she was still like such a strong
personality in the one episode she was in. Like
she was still like. I'm sure people's favorites
like starting off. The thing about Dorinda, you
never you have you haven't seen her on Real Housewives
of New York. She comes in the season that Bethany
comes back. Oh, and the way that she holds up
like there she she does have seasons where. she
doesn't come off shining like the star that she
is which it happens it happens to every housewife
yeah what she does is she likes two or three
dirty martinis and this is one of my favorite
things about her I like if Dorinda if you ever
hear this just know that like I see the relationship
you have with your daughter Hannah and all I
want is a relationship like that with a mother
who's not my mother Never any shade towards you,
Dorinda. I love Dorinda. Dorinda can do the way
Bethany can do no wrong. And as far as I'm concerned,
Dorinda can also do no wrong. She just seems
like such a sweetie, too. She really, really,
really is. She has such a big, strong personality.
But you can tell, like, if someone needs her,
she's there. You know what I mean? Also, there's
no bullshit. Yeah. I'm excited to see her and
Candace interact. I think they would be thick
as thieves or really butt. I think they're going
to be really good friends. I think who Dorinda
is going to have a hard time with is Caroline
Stanbury because Dorinda lived in London for
several years. And I think that there's a clashing
thing that's going to happen there. A hundred
percent. I see that. I don't know who Eric Nam
is. I don't know who he is. I'm sure he's going
to be great. I don't know this Big Brother guy.
Ian Terry. Johnny Weir. I'm excited for Johnny
Weir. I love him. I think he's so cool and so
funny, but I haven't seen him that much. Like,
I haven't seen that much of him, so I'm excited
to see what he's like in a shared house like
that. My exposure to him has been... through
I oh god well what's the show where the Project
Runway yeah he came on Project Runway as a guest
judge and he was hysterical he's so funny he's
very funny yeah I I think he'll be like class
clown kind of light in the mood yes Kristen Kish
I am familiar with I respect her as a chef and
personality but i don't know how her personality
is gonna do on traitor she's like a very no bullshit
yeah she's like always been a host and stuff
like that so i've never seen her like participating
in something like i've oh you've seen her like
running the show you've never seen her being
in the show right got it okay so i don't know
she seems to like Just to me off of what I've
seen, she seems to have like a very dominant
personality. And I don't know. Oh, I think that'll
be good. Yeah. I don't really know how that's
going to play out. However, she's very hot. She's
actually gorgeous. Like. Yeah. And there's like
a. Like a badass look about her that I'm very
into. I like that. I like it. She always has
like this short hair tatted up thing going on.
I love a lady with short hair. I think it is
so high. Yeah. There's just like, oh, I love
it. She tends to wear kind of like a sporty suit
situation. Love that. Yeah. Okay. Who's next?
Survivor or not a survivor? Rob Sesternino. i'm
i'm gonna be you know what i'm gonna say yeah
yeah not no to this man i'm into it uh lisa rena
i can't wait for her to get too drunk in the
trader's house and show that monkey i this is
something that the traders is i would argue this
is something traders has needed since season
one because lisa rena oh god so You know, her
whole backstory where like she started on like
Days of Our Lives or like one of the one of the
soap operas on NBC. And so she's been in that
world since the 90s. I was going to say, yeah.
And she is good at at reality television. I've
I want to say she was on like Celebrity Celebrity
Big Brother and like was it. I don't know what
she. She did one of these competition shows and
she was very, very good at it. I can see that
for her because she knows how to play the game.
She's been in the the industry for long enough
that like she knows how to play the game. But
also she is so fun. She is fun and she's funny.
She is genuinely hysterical. I'm really excited
to see her. Mark Ballas, you also know what I'm
going to say. Yeah. Not no to this man. I'm not
a Dancing with the Stars girl. I watch it if
there are like celebrities on there that are
interesting to me, but that's it. And I don't,
I wouldn't say I watch it. I watch clips of it.
I think he's hot. Maura Higgins. Okay. Obviously
you're not going to know who Maura Higgins is.
She doesn't have like. She's gorgeous. Oh my
God. She is stunning. She is beautiful. I feel
like she could really be a dark horse because
she tends to like, she's super fun and flirty
and fresh, but she tends to like keep to herself
a little bit compared to the other people I'm
seeing on this cast. It's hard when you have
a ton of big personalities to like fit in, I
feel like. Yeah. Because there's a lot of, like
a ton of personality. She would absolutely eat
as a traitor. She would eat because I think she
would know how to like fly under the radar. Yes.
If you hear a harmonica, that's just our soundtrack
today. Jack's playing his little harmonica. It's
perfect. I don't think they'll be able to hear
it. But yeah, I love Maura Higgins. I think she's
funny. I think she's really cool. I do think
she's more reserved than some of the other people
in this cast. Yeah. So. I don't know. I think
she would do a really good job as a traitor.
If I were a producer, I would be making her a
traitor. Michael Rapaport can go to hell. I have
a feeling he will be one of the early ones to
go. Oh, yeah. He's going to get cut early. And
I don't think any of these other people are going
to like him. No, no, no, no. Anyway. Yeah. Monet
exchange. Yeah. OK. Here's the thing. I don't
know how to say this in any other way. I, I don't
know. I don't understand her personality without
Bob the drag queen. Yeah. So I was going to say,
it might be interesting to see her separated
from Bob the drag queen. Like maybe she'll shine
in her own individual way. I just don't really
know what to expect. Yeah. And like, and maybe
it's not that I don't like her. I think that
she's a very talented queen. Yeah. I only know
her like the only frame of reference I have is
sibling rivalry with Bob, the drag queen of Money
Exchange and RuPaul's Drag Race. Like that's
that's the extent of my frame of reference. I've
only seen her on RuPaul and like I don't even
really like recall the sponges. That's that's
what I that's what I remember about Money Exchange
is the sponges. And I just I mean, I don't know.
Maybe she'll be great, but I don't really know
what to expect from her. I, again, Natalie Anderson.
I don't watch. I don't know who that is. Portia
Williams. Portia Williams. Ah, stunning, beautiful
queen. Let me tell you about Portia Williams.
OK, so this is a couple of things about Portia.
I have loved her from day one on Real Housewives
of Atlanta. She came on and she was. I think
she was playing a role because she was married
to Cordell. Cordell Williams. Oh, and she was
playing the role of like ditzy housewife. And
this this clip has floated around on TikTok for
years where she didn't. I don't believe she didn't
understand the Underground Railroad, but she
pretends to think that it was an actual an actual
train. Yeah, I've seen that. But like something
you need to understand about Portia Williams
is she is a walking comedy show. Like she is
hysterical. She's gorgeous. One of the most beautiful
women I've ever seen in my life. I cannot wait
to see her interact with Candace because they
are either going to be best friends or they are
going to be. at each other's throats immediately
and i cannot wait to see it so i've only i've
watched real housewives of atlanta in like bits
and pieces it's not something where like potomac
i've watched every single episode in order i've
just like i used to watch atlanta when it was
on because i loved the whole cast like that wow
stunning and funny cast in atlanta um Everything
I've ever seen of Portia has been hilarious.
She is hilarious. So funny. So funny. But I also
think Candace is very funny, so it might be one
of those things where they're so similar that
they just don't get along. Because I think that
happens a lot, especially in real life. People
who are too similar... only see the differences
in each other and so they just clash and clash
and clash um but i am excited to see her i'm
really excited i love i'm i love portia williams
i think she is just the greatest i love her i
love her i love her i think she is going to be
a shining diamond in that house i also think
she can bring the drama because she's a little
messy very messy Rob Roush. I don't know who
that is. I love Rob. Okay, he was from last season
of Love Island that I just talked about was like
a huge big deal. He's not one of the ones that
ended up in a couple, but people do love him.
He's a Louisiana boy. If he would like to end
up in a couple, I am single. He is cute and he's
tall and he's tattooed. Perfect. He's checking
every box. And the last time I saw anything from
Rob, it was like his sister was like crying,
upset about something. I don't know, like boy
problems or something. And so and he just like
pulled her around in a boat until she stopped
crying. He's just he looks like a sweetheart.
Louisiana boy. Right. And he he did do my girl
a little dirty on Love Island. But it's Love
Island. And yeah, I think that. I think he'll
be great. I don't think he'll last that long.
I don't think he's the sharpest knife in the
box. If you think otherwise, dear viewer, feel
free to send me an email about it. But I don't
know how long he'll last in there. I think he
doesn't really know how to be sneaky. But here's
the God's honest truth. If he needs arms to run
into after he gets eliminated, by God, my arms
are open. He is a beautiful man. Rob Funches.
I don't know how to say his last name, but I
have seen him and stuff. And I think he's funny.
I don't know. I don't know. Kind of a random
pick for them, I think. But I'm excited. We'll
see where it goes. Yeah. I love to see a comedian
on Traders. I think. Stephen Coletti from One
Tree Hill. I mean, I've seen One Tree Hill, but
like. I've never seen One Tree Hill. I remember
it used to come on either right before or right
after Charmed. That's the only reason I've seen
it. I think it was right after because I don't
know. I don't know. Kind of, again, one of those
like weird random picks. But I'll tell you, when
the last cast came out and I saw Dylan Efron,
I was like, oh, who is you? And then I loved
him. I still love him. You know what I mean?
So like some of these I'm saying, oh, what a
weird random pick and I might fall in love with
them. Let me let me tell you something. At the
end of the day, you you can you can know one
thing. I trust the judgment of the producers
at NBC, Universal and Peacock to cast the traitors.
They can tell me they can bring on anyone. They
can bring on George from down the street. I trust
you. Yeah, he must have that spark in him because,
yeah, I don't know. That's all I'm going to say.
I didn't think Dylan Efron was going to be that
amazing to me, and he literally took my heart
away. So I don't know. Tara Lipinski is going
to be best friends with Johnny Weir. Yeah. Which
is cool. Both figure skaters. I don't really
know anything about her, though. Have you seen
her anywhere else? Only on the Olympics, but
I know that she was. Very, very talented. I feel
like she was also in the episode of Project Runway
that... Were they partners? Did they skate together?
Maybe. I bet we find out on the traders. I bet
we find out when their best friends are running
around. Yeah. Tiffany Mitchell from Big Brother.
Never watched Big Brother. Didn't know. Yam Yam.
You're going to know something else about this
man and me. Yeah. Yamiel Orocho. Orocho? Orocho.
Orocho. Yam Yam from Survivor. Not know to him.
Don't know him, but. I'm excited to see. Yeah,
I think it's going to be a really great season.
I think The Traitors has only gotten better and
better each season. Oh, my God. They can do no
wrong in my eyes. Gold. And this cast is amazing.
I don't see this season going any differently.
Are you ready for The Secret Lives of Mormon
Wives? Yes. So here's the thing. Travis has only
seen episodes one and two, so we're going to
try to get through this without me absolutely
spoiling it for him. Let us dive in. Let's dive
in. So we start episode one. It's called The
Book of Revelations. The opening scene is the
season opener party where they what they're trying
very hard to do is take the Real Housewives format.
where they have a season opening party and it's
a whole thing. And it's like you're reintroduced
to the show. That's very clear what's happening
during this party is where I was trying to, like,
figure out who was who, because, you know, that
like two or three of the girls were exactly the
same person in my mind. And that's why I like
I had to take detailed notes because I thought
Jen Taylor and. Is it Demi? I think Jen Taylor
and Demi, I thought were the same person for
a little bit. Yeah. In your defense, a lot of
them look very similar. They're all getting their
procedures done at the same place. Hello. So
it's like they all look the same, though. Demon
Monster Whitney is back. That's all I have to
say about her. I don't like Whitney. If that
changes during the season, then that changes.
I do not like Whitney. It was Aspen Ovard was
at their opening party. I don't know who that
is. She's an influencer. It was kind of weird.
It's all kind of like too self -aware for me.
Yeah. This is going to bring me to a point in
a minute, but go ahead. I feel like I don't know.
And you'll have to watch the rest of it and see
how you feel about it. I feel like Whitney is
there because she wants that MomTalk money. That's
all any of them are there for. And this is what
we need to realize. This is a reality show. They're
making a reality show based on a TikTok influencer
group, which is fine. Yeah. But let's not make
it about anything else. Like, I want to see what's
going on in their lives just like I want to see
what's going on in the Real Housewives lives.
Right. But that doesn't mean you have to pretend
to be best friends. So I would I come at it from
a different angle where like the best housewife
shows are the shows where they have real relationships.
I agree. I just don't think Whitney is there
in order to gain a real relationship. I agree.
I think she's there to get that check, baby.
And that's fine. I just I have a hard time with
this whole thing of like my mom taught group.
I'm so protective of her. No, you're not. No,
you're not. Cause you're going to get the check.
You throw it. Stop. Just stop. Like that seems
disingenuous to me. Yeah. Whitney really didn't
grow on me at all. No, I do not like Whitney.
And maybe that'll change. I do not like her right
now. New girl, Miranda used to be best friends
with Taylor. Okay. So, so, you know, the tea,
she was like part of the group that was swinging.
Right. And that I listen, I'm going to go on
record right now. If you want to swing, swing.
I want that for you. I love that for you. I would
love to know the actual truth of this situation,
though. I too. Because there is such a weird.
And you'll see if you haven't yet. They like
Taylor and Miranda talk about it. And we still
don't really know what the real truth is. I've
seen the preview of it. OK. But as of right now,
all we all we have heard from Miranda is I only
played the bottle or played spin the bottle and
kissed a guy. So like, OK, I want you to watch
a couple more episodes where Miranda gets to
say her piece. And then I want to dive into what
we think the real truth is, because I'll tell
you right now, we never get like a here is what
happened. We never get that. We go to Jen and
Zach. Their marriage is falling apart and now
they're separated. Here's what I believe happened
with Jen and Zach. I believe Jen. started making
a ton of money from MomTalk. She's a multi -millionaire
from being an influencer and the brand deal she's
getting and from the check she's getting from
Hulu. 100%. I believe Zach said, oh, I can take
a year in profit off of this. I think he might
have said, I don't need to be a doctor anymore.
Maybe. You're married. Or maybe he wants to take
a minute and be a dad. They have kids. Whatever
you want. I don't care. What I don't need is
the narcissistic, well, I'm taking time away
from med school for you. I don't want all that.
Yeah, it made me very uncomfortable. You have
not gotten to the pin drop for Jen and Zach yet.
We'll get there when we get there. It's mostly
Jen. Jen, I'll just say this to those of you
who have already seen this whole season. I am
on Jen's side, and I think my heart goes out
to her, truly. You need to see what happens and
how they treat her this season. It is actually
disgusting, in my opinion. Okay, fair. I will
say Zach does look better with the new haircut.
I agree. I agree. I'm going to be nice about
Zach on the podcast. I don't want to be a homophobe.
Moving on. During Pride Month. Not in June. So
I forgot that season one closed with Macy calling
Dakota's side chick Jenna. And we pick up at
Macy's house with them meeting up with Jenna.
Yes. OK, that was that was so I could not believe.
And I love Macy. I really like Macy. This whole
season, she's really in her bag. I love her.
And I love that she was like, yeah, we can have
your baby daddy's side chick over to my house.
I would love to see that. Let me tell you something
else. I love that this girl signed a. Release
and said, yeah, I'll go on TV. I love that. I
love mess. And I love because what I wholeheartedly
believe. And this is something about Utah and
Salt Lake City in general, Salt Lake City in
Utah in general, where I believe that they are
not. They're self -aware that they're public.
They're not self -aware that their reality stars
yet. And this girl said. I'm just going to go
on TV and talk about my experience. Diva, you're
going to shatter glass ceilings right here. You're
being an icon. The way she handed Taylor her
phone and she said, read it, mama. I don't care.
Queen, queen, queen, queen. Loved it. I would
argue that we need more. girls like that to be
allies. Just be a hundred percent transparent.
I think it comes from a place of insecurity.
Most of the time when girls like don't share
anything and are like that, I think it comes,
it's a genuine place, but it is a place of insecurity.
Well, because it's like, I was the other girl.
Like, well, I fully get that. Yeah. But this
girl just handed her phone right on over to Taylor.
And you could tell Taylor wanted to be mad at
her so bad, but couldn't be mad at her. She couldn't
find it in her. And that's where the breakdown
came from. Because I think she went into the
situation and she said, I'm going to rip this
girl apart. I'm going to take this girl on national
television. I'm going to ruin her. And she couldn't
do it because the girl was so forthright and
honest. A hundred percent. And that's where the
tears and like the ugly sobbing came from. Because
I think that she was like. fuck i don't i don't
have an out here i think she expected for jenna
to be vindictive or even like possessive over
what she had with dakota but she's an absolute
icon and a queen who was like i i don't care
about that man read my text uh i yeah loved it
loved it loved it Even when Taylor was being
absolutely delusional, like asking about specific
dates that are like over a year in the past and
asking about. But she was still honest and she's
like, hang on, what did we say around that date?
And she like filled in the gap for her. Yeah,
she was like going through her text with Dakota
during that time frame and was like, yeah, I
saw him that day. I guess I didn't see him that
day, but what we said was this and this and this.
And then she was like, so there was like one
point where she didn't remember and like she
just stood on business because Taylor kind of
put pressure on her to be like, well, what is
it? And she was like, girl, I don't know. But
the saddest part, I think, was where I guess
Dakota and I do believe this. Dakota said, I'm
only hanging out with Taylor to like grow my
social media following. And I was like, fuck
you. I knew he was a clout chaser. I knew he
was a clout chaser. But he was like, how could
he have known? What he was getting into with
Taylor that early on. She already had millions
of followers. Is she really? She's been big on
TikTok forever. She was the girl. If you don't
know this about Taylor, Frankie Paul, she was
the girl who was going on TikTok with two girls
who were her same age and saying that she was
50 and they were her kids. i don't remember this
you need to do a deep dive on this because it's
it was actually like i don't know what she was
thinking but she was like telling all of tiktok
this is how she like gained her initial following
i think it was years ago i'm not shading her
for this by the way but she would go on there
and she would say yeah me and my two girls and
it would be like picture miranda and michaela
like next to her dancing and she's like I'm their
mom. I'm 50 years old. And she's our age. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah. It's kind of a weird thing, but she's
always had a lot of followers. So, dear listener,
just know that an upcoming Mama Let's Research
segment will be about one Miss Taylor Frankie
Paul. She has a lot of depth to her. And can
I just say, I'm really not shading Taylor. I
think she went through it this season. Oh, a
million percent. I can see it coming. It's going
to be a dark, dark, dark season for her. It is
hard on her. And I think she really handled it
with grace for the most part. There's an incident
you'll see where it's like she could have just
let some shit go. But she... The way her family
wasn't on her side, the way no one's on her side.
I've got notes about that one, too. She, yeah,
she really handled most of it with grace. Anyway,
yeah. Miranda and Whitney go to the park. I could
have done without that. That's all I'll say.
I also could have done without the haunted house,
but I understand it was a plot point to get to
them all sitting down and talking because that
is. another real housewives trope yeah um they
had to they get the group together right some
one of the girls says anyone that joins mom talk
at this point is just clout chasing and my question
is is that not like the whole you are all clout
chasing every single one of you even may see
my favorite girl it is a clout you want clout
because mama you Want that check. And that's
OK. No one is mad at you. No one's mad at you.
And I understand that you're like defending your
position. Sure. And you don't want you don't
want your money to be diluted or your followers
or whatever to be diluted by too many people
coming in and, you know, people favoring them.
Yeah. But you don't have to call them cloud chasers
because that's because divas over you and kettle
baby. Um, we cut to Taylor's mom showing up at
Taylor's house with ever true is her child's
name. Yeah. Which is fine. Like fine. Taylor's
mom has had a lot of work done. My thing is like,
yes, she got a lot of work done. And why does
the work make her look like Taylor? Let me tell
you, because this is something I'm going to talk
about in episode two in just a couple minutes
where I have a theory about this. But I think,
yeah, OK, we'll get into it in a minute. I'm
not interested in Taylor's mom's Mormon family
values bullshit. I am not interested because
let me tell you where this stems from is I grew
up in the church. I've seen a million separations,
breakups, divorces go down just like this, where
the family does every the family of the woman
does everything in their power to keep the man
and the woman together because it's shameful
to be divorced. It's shameful to be a single
mother. It's sick. Let me tell you right now,
it is sick. It reminded me of season one of Salt
Lake City. Heather Gay saying, yes, you should
stay in your toxic marriage because that's what
she was raised to believe. It is like a brainwashing
thing. It is. It's actually like sad for me to
see because people would rather struggle. Right.
And that that's hard for me to come to terms
with. Yes. I would be a single mom every day
over. being miserable with a man. Being miserable,
but, like, I would take it one step further.
Before I would, like, I would ask, I think it's
fine to ask the question, like, are you sure,
like, you're done? And that's a fine question
to ask. That's the reason there are separation
laws in so many states. Yes. You have to be separated,
yeah. Because you want to be sure. To push your
child to stay in a relationship in which she
is miserable, you are the bad person. Yeah, your
daughter? Period, full stop. you're gonna sit
there to your daughter uh is episode two when
they're like at Taylor's family's house I can't
wait to talk about that can't wait I could not
believe the way her family spoke to her anyway
we'll get there Taylor wants a break from Dakota
is where they land and I support that I think
that's probably the smart move I'll tell you
Early on in the season, especially, she kind
of flips back and forth. I've already seen her
flip twice. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So Jen and Zach
go to ketamine therapy. Which I support, by the
way. I want them to go to ketamine therapy. I
think it was a smart decision for them to do
that. I wish Zach was more into it. Can I tell
you something? Hmm. I don't believe Zach actually
did it. Really? Yes. Even with the needle in
his arm? I don't believe he did it because of
the way he acted. I believe that Jin did it.
It did give like fake high. Where it was like,
oh, how long were we out? Shut up. I believe
that he had done it. Prior to this episode, I
do not believe that he did it on camera, which
is fine. If you don't want to do it on camera,
that's fine. But don't do the whole song and
dance for me, please. Don't lie. Don't lie. And
I, yeah, he kind of did like the whole fake high
thing. And then it was like gone in an instant.
It was weird. It was weird. Jen decides that
Zach needs to meet with some of the girls to
clear the air or whatever the case may be. So
we cut back to Taylor's house. Dakota's moving
out. And it goes to an interview with him. This
is the moment I realize I like him better in
a hat. There are a lot of men out there who look
far better with a hat on. And this was hard for
me because I spent the entire first season being
like, oh, my God, stay together. He's so hot.
He's so hot. He's so hot. And now I'm like. Oh,
so Dakota's moving out. Thank God. And what I
what I took away from this interview, and I hope
I'm not wrong, is that I will buy that he loves
Taylor on some level. I think that he does. But
I think it all stems from like, I want to keep
the family together thing. And I don't. Maybe.
And I don't like that. But what I do believe
more is that he's got that dog in him. He needs.
I don't know. I have no sympathy for him. He's
in his 30s. He has a kid. Yeah. Fucking grow
up. And that's and I think he needs to be single
until he can grow up. I think Taylor and Dakota
needs to last until he can grow up or forever.
Anyway, we cut to Miranda's happy hour. Yeah.
Demi. Demi doesn't want one more problem bleeding
into the group for the health of the mom. Shut
up. She's the villain of the season. I'll just
tell you. She turns into an absolute demon and
I can't wait for you to see it. Perfect. Jen
doesn't know if she can trust anyone after Vegas
because she says no one supported her when she
was going through her stuff with Zach. And have
you seen the Halloween party yet? I've seen the
first half of it because like the second episode
cuts off at the halfway through. And this is
where I start. I started to be on Jen's side
a little bit where I'm like, oh, that sucks.
Like everyone knows what that feels like to be
going through something and like, yeah. And feel
like you don't have the support of your friends
on top of going through it with your husband.
That's hard. But just you wait, ladies and gentlemen,
just you wait. So Miranda and Taylor decide to
have. Their conversation with the entire group,
of course, because how are you going to drive
a plot? Right, right, right, right. And and that's
where the episode ends. And the last thing I
wrote was, I think I'm a fan of Miranda. Tell
me if I'm wrong about this. I like her, too.
OK, I think. OK, so like I'm coming from obviously
a different perspective because I've seen the
whole thing. I wish she spoke up. More like I
wish she stood on business a little bit more
than she does, because I feel like she's kind
of a background character for most of it. Does
that ever change? No. OK, like what you see from
her in the first episode is the most you see
of her. It brings us to episode two where we
pick up where we left off at Miranda's happy
hour. yeah okay let's get into it i feel like
miranda's not being 100 honest about yeah i think
that i think she's not being honest and i think
taylor is doing her a service by not just airing
everything out i agree and i appreciate and resent
it at the same time because i think In these
situations, you gotta be 100 % real about it.
Just be real. Yeah. But I also get that, like,
in these scenarios, it's like, you don't want
to do that. And it's also awkward because Taylor
was the beginning of the end of Miranda's marriage.
Yes. And so it's like, she doesn't want to ruin
her marriage and then also ruin her... TV career
and all of that, because I don't think she has
a vendetta against Miranda. No. So I think I
also think there's a loyalty there because they
did used to be like best friends. Yeah. And they
were fucking. But anyway, I think so. You did
they talk about Chase at this point at all? They
talked about how Taylor goes up to Chase, Miranda's
ex -husband, and said at the gym and says, I
had a sex dream about you. And he said. I think
I have feelings for you. Yeah. And that is the
most Utah thing I've ever heard in my entire
life. He said, let me make that dream a reality,
which is crazy because I think they were already
fucking. But like Taylor was also like, oh, no,
no, no, no. Right. Like I'm friends with your
wife type of thing. Like, OK, so I do think it's
inappropriate to go up to your best friend's.
and say, I had a sex dream about you. Is it inappropriate
if you've been doing it, though? But I'm saying
that's what makes me think they're fucking. That's
the only reason Taylor would feel like it's an
okay thing to say. Oh, hang on a second. I believe
Taylor 100 % would say that to anyone in real
life. It's just the vibe I get from her. I don't
think she would go up to Demi's husband and say,
I had a sex dream about you. Can I say something?
You think she would? I would to Timmy's husband.
Well, yeah, he's hot. That was kind of a... To
Jesse's husband. I don't think she would do that
unless they were already in that type of relationship.
I don't know. I do think Taylor tends to speak
her mind. But to just go up to your best friend's
husband. That's fair. Like, there's no way that
they weren't fucking. There's no way. But what
I can also tell you is that Taylor owned up to
being an asshole. That's what I respected about
her the most this season is that she's kind of
owning her shit. Yes. Like when she, you haven't
gotten to a part where she doesn't really own
her shit. But for the most part, she really is
like, even with Dakota, you'll see later on she
gets to a point where she's very much like, he
triggers me. Every time I look at him, I think
about when he cheated and it triggers me. And
that is so self -aware of her. Right. Like that
is. a very mature thing to say I know that I'm
not being rational yes that like and I really
appreciated that we don't see that a lot and
what what I thought was very cool is she actually
said I was also a villain here and like what
the other girls aren't seeing is I was a villain
And they are being really hard on Miranda. And
I don't think that's fair to her. She said that.
And I thought that was very cool of her. I thought
they were almost like hazing her, especially
Michaela. Michaela went off the fucking rails.
And I did not think she needed to. I will say,
I think later on in the season, she might have
apologized for that, for saying like she went
a little too hard on Miranda. But like, whoa.
Whoa. Was that uncalled for? Yes, 100%. The girls
go shopping for Halloween and Stagecoach, and
all I wrote here was that Jessie and Layla are
so goddamn pretty. They are. They are beautiful.
They do Layla dirty on this season, too. Like,
they're showing her extension tracks. They're
showing her, like, the producers should have
stepped in and, like, fixed her up situation.
That's mean. I don't like that. They do her so
dirty. She is stunning, gorgeous, beautiful.
Yes. Um, and so is Jesse. Yeah. Also, obviously
Jesse's hair is always going to look good. Cause
she's like a hairstylist, right? Yeah. That's
her thing. Okay. Um, and she, but my God, does
it always look good? Yes. Like so amazing. Yes.
Love, love, love. The guys go fly fishing. Dakota
has a hat back on. Thank God. Um, I find out
here that Demi's husband is 47 and high. I, Really
love that. We find out that Taylor's mom invited
Dakota to a cookout. I could have done without
the fly fishing. I didn't need that. I don't
really know why they did it except for the conversation
with Zach. I think that was the whole point.
It was a plot driver to get the guys together.
Yeah. Where Zach could admit he was an asshole
about the Chippendales thing. Okay. Which is
going to rear its ugly head again in a minute.
Yeah, because he didn't. He didn't actually mean
that, did he? What I'll buy is that he meant
it if he wasn't ever going to have to deal with
it again. And here's here's the God's honest
truth. There's a reason for the saying what happens
in Vegas stays in Vegas, because I I have been
to these Chippendales, these Thunderdown undershows
in Vegas where you go. And it's a bunch of married
women who. just need a thrill and that's fine
and it's it's designed for bachelorette parties
is all it is yeah and yeah none of it's real
none of it is substantive and it's like oh my
god that was so much fun it's the same thing
as going to a strip club I think it's fine if
you want to go but I also think it's fine if
you have a boundary in your marriage where it's
like hey I'm not entirely comfortable with you
going where I do have a problem is Zach telling
jen that he doesn't love her anymore over it
i think that's very problematic because i think
that i also maybe we need to unpack that i also
just get to a point where He is like in general
terms, he is expecting her to be so committed
to their marriage, to following these rules that
he's set for her. To following him to Arizona,
to following him to. Yeah. Yes. Yes. But he does
not subscribe to the same way of thinking. Do
you want to know what that stems from? His narcissism.
The church. Yeah, well, yeah, the misogyny of
it all, of you need me because I am your man
situation. And I get it. I do. They're religious,
but it's like, girl, stand up. Moving on. I also
asked, who is the derpy guy at the end of this
scene? Because I didn't know who the fourth husband
was. Jesse's husband? We find out it's Jesse's
husband. you're gonna find out this season this
is not a spoiler at all you could have just looked
this up but jesse and her husband are rich without
influencing without hulu so this is a common
thing in salt lake city like there's real money
there like there's real money so They're they're
very rich anyway. And I love that for them. I
guess a lot of it is Jesse's hair care. It's
like not just a salon. She also makes products.
Do you want to know who else does that is? Angie,
Angie Katzen Davis on Real Housewives of Salt
Lake City, who owns, I think, two or three salons.
But then they also franchise out the Paul Mitchell
schools. They also have lines of salon products.
They also like and they are. Wealthy. Yeah, I
think you make money off of salon lines. Yes.
Like shampoo, conditioner. Oh, yeah. That type
of shit. Because the overhead is amazing. Yeah,
it costs nothing to make. And the profit margins
are perfect. It costs nothing to make and people
will... pay an arm and a leg for their hair to
be shiny that and then you have like built -in
like loyalty where it's like oh you come to my
salon like this you know you like this part of
it and like yeah and it's probably good stuff
like i won't take that away from them yeah every
time i've ever bought product from any salon
it's been amazing so there's money there yeah
yeah so demi and jesse had to meet zach um they
all go meet up at a coffee shop which Fun fact
is, you know that coffee, drinking hot coffee
is not acceptable in the Mormon religion. Right,
not Mormon. But ketamine is a gray area. I always
thought even like the soda versus coffee thing
is so silly. It's so wild. Why are you allowed
to drink soda with a higher caffeine content
than coffee? But you're not a, I don't know,
whatever. Joseph Smith, you're confusing. It's
all confusing. But this is where we start to
get holes poked in the story, because Zach brings
out the thing about Jen saying that the girls
weren't there for her. But it turns out the girls
did nothing but reach out to her. And Jen didn't
respond. Yeah. But here's what I appreciate about
Zach, where he stayed on his wife's side. He
stood 10 tones down for Jen in that. meeting
that they had can i just say how strange it is
the idea of your husband meeting with your friends
to talk about you and you're not I thought that
was as dumb as the day is long. I thought it
was weird. I wouldn't want Kenny to meet up with
my friends without me to talk about me. I think
that's weird. I think she thought they weren't
going to talk about her, though. I truly believe
that Jen said that Zach was going to apologize
for being an asshole. And that's what the conversation
was going to end. That's right. That he was just
because he was mean to the girls, too. Yeah,
that's true. And you know what? I did like that
he owned up to everything and he said he was
sorry. I didn't like the way the girls acted,
the way the girls were like, your wife is so
fake. Your wife, your wife, your wife. What?
Like, I just thought that was so strange. But
when you're confronted with what you've been
told and you're like. No, that's a lie. No, they
definitely did have a right to be like, oh, don't
say I wasn't there for her because I did try
to be there for her and she didn't answer me.
But when Zach found this out, he said all the
right things. He said, I don't know anything
about that. I'm going to be in my wife's side.
That's all I needed him to say. Yeah. And I was
fine with that. Yeah, I did like the way he handled
that. I just thought it was a weird position
to put your husband in. I feel like if... Jen
were there she could have just hashed it out
right there because I don't think it's I don't
know if it's in this episode where Jen like meets
up with Jesse and Demi and talks about it they
they both got to meet with Jesse and Demi later
in this episode okay yeah because I just feel
like they could have done that all at once they
should have Like they should have gotten a table
for four. Yes. And it was weird. I didn't. I
didn't like that this happened because it was
pointless. Other. I think it was a plot driver
to Jen's a liar. Jen's a fucking liar. Yeah.
And she did lie like that. There is no beating
around the bush. She did lie about the girls
not being there for her. I do think maybe she
wasn't. I feel like after that situation, I would
have been embarrassed. I would have been embarrassed
that my husband acted like that. And I wouldn't,
I don't, I don't know what I would have done,
but I kind of understand where she came from.
But we cut to the cookout. Oh, I cannot. So like,
I just have to get on my high horse here. If
my family ever spoke to me the way, Taylor's
mother and stepdad talk to her in front of Dakota.
In front of anyone. And her sisters and the whole
family. I would cut ties with them. Immediately.
That is so inappropriate. So if you haven't seen
it, Taylor's stepdad does not beat around the
bush in saying, you're a whore for sleeping with
Dakota. Basically, yeah. Yes. What the ever loving
fuck? How is that appropriate or acceptable to
say about your daughter? By the way, your stepdaughter.
I also and I'm just going to say this and I will
not be cutting this. I want an investigation
into where this man was on January 6th because
I have some theories about this man because he
just has that look about him. I just hate him.
I hated to see that. Before that happens, we
find out that Taylor's mom is just a monster.
Like, so you show up and we find out she has
a pattern of continuing to be friends with people
that have been. horrific to taylor to be their
realtor to be their realtor to say well they've
always been nice to me which i don't like that
weird that is so weird that's like someone bullying
jack at school and me still wanting to be friends
with them yes that's weird that's not and She
also says something to the effect of, oh, so
you're going to this Halloween party that I'm
not invited to. Why would you be invited to this
Halloween party? She loves to stick her little
head where it doesn't belong. You remember when
she called Whitney for not coming to the baby
shower last season? Yes. She has another episode
even worse than that. God. Episode 10, last episode
of this season. I can't wait for you to see it.
It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And I feel
for Taylor because like, how do you even reel
that in? You don't because let me tell you what
this is. This was the theory that I mentioned
earlier. This screams, I have a complex and I've
been in competition with my beautiful daughter
for her entire existence. That is what this is.
And that's a very common thing that I see a lot,
especially in pretty girls. Their moms are so
jealous of them, which is sick because why couldn't
you just sit back and be like, wow. I made something
so beautiful and perfect and I'm so proud of
myself. And find that happiness in the fact that
you created your daughter. But instead you decide
to turn that on its head and be jealous and even
vindictive towards your daughter is so strange.
Anyway. Dakota shows up and it's as awkward as
the day is long. They all sit down at the table.
Taylor's brother is not unattractive until he
opens his mouth. I'm just going to say that.
I didn't think he was cute, but here we are.
Yeah, I'm not going to yuck your yum. Appreciate
it. But Taylor is just not thrilled to be there.
And she's got her hood up. She's like sitting
in the corner and like and then Taylor's mom
goes, why are you so closed off? Shut up. Shut
up. Just what do you think? You invite her ex
kind of situation to your house. Yeah. That's
so strange. Can you imagine if your parents hosted
a cookout and invited your ex to come? Like,
I don't get that. I would leave and that would
be the last time I spoke to my family. I'm telling
you right now. They were weird for inviting Dakota.
They're weird for the way they talk to Taylor.
The mom's weird for wanting to look like Taylor,
and the stepdad's weird for thinking Taylor's
a whore. Yes. They're all weird. The only one
of them that I truly respect on a deep level
is Taylor's sister. I agree, because she said,
listen, if it's meant to be, it's meant to be.
If it's not, it's not. She picked up the baby,
so the baby didn't have to be there for the fallout.
Right. I think she's the only one that is genuinely...
Just team Taylor. Yes. She's not she doesn't
have her own side of the story that she thinks
she should sell. She doesn't like her mom does.
She doesn't have she's not competing with Taylor
in any sense of the word. She's just there for
her. I also feel like she's not gunning to be
on reality television. I think she's not fighting
for that spot. Right. And I think she's secure
in herself. And I think that's what we're seeing
play out here is that. Right. That's why she's
not an ass. Love her or hate her. She is just
being there for her sister. Right. And she's
OK with that being her personality on TV because
she's not a member of the show. Taylor's mom
does not understand that. We go to Jen's house.
Jen says in her interview. That she believes
that the resentment that the girls have towards
her is because of Zach. And then Zach walks in
and explains, no, no. The reason that the girls
have resentment towards me is because of you.
Right. And you can tell Jen felt uncomfortable
in the fact that like Zach, she got aired out
to her own husband. Like you can tell that that
is like infringing on her. But it's like you're
the one who set up that whole mess. Like you're
the one who set up him meeting with just your
friends. So like I could have seen that coming
from a mile away. Then I don't know that there
wasn't a lot there. They decide that they're
all going to meet together again. We cut to Jesse's
house where Christ almighty, they decide they're
going to do the Chippendales thing again. I don't
want to ruin it for you. There's tea to that
that you don't know yet that when you find out,
you're like, wait, what? Like. Does it come in
the next episode? I hope so. Because I don't
want to ruin it for you. Then Whitney and her
husband are out running around buying pajamas.
This was a non scene to remind us that Whitney
is still on the show. I just I and I hope that
I end up being wrong about Whitney because I
feel like I'm being really mean to her. I'm not
interested in her story. I'm not interested in
her at all. I think she is so boring. And she,
when she's not boring, she's giving catty. She's
giving like angry almost. I don't know. I've
never really. And once I hear, once you hear
Michaela's stance on Whitney and her individual
problem with Whitney. It made me it like validated
me and not liking her. Like I'm standing behind.
I'm standing behind her in that because the way
she treated her was not Michaela. I mean, the
way she treated Michaela was not what you would
expect from a friend ever because they were like
actual friends. So anyway. Anyway, we're almost
at the end, friends. Yeah, we're almost there.
We have another conversation with Zach and the
girls and Jen is there and Jen is outed for being
a rotten liar and she's upset and she's questioning
the girl's allegiance. And I was just like, I
saw what was happening because we've had friends
do this before where like they get confronted
with something and then they just start talking
and talking and talking and talking and talking
and talking and they won't let anyone get a word
in edgewise. And this is where you're like, oh.
You don't want us to talk because you don't know
what you've told one person or the other or worse.
You do know what you told one person or the other
and you don't want it to come out. Yeah. Yes.
I do feel like Jen was in a corner and like she
didn't know how to get out. Yes. And so she was
just trying to find a way out of that situation
without looking like a horrible villain. Yes.
And. I don't know that she really accomplished
that. She didn't. So Jen gets called out for
the you were never there for me comment. And
the girls go, we have text. We can show you where
we texted you. And it comes out. Well, you didn't
text us back for like four or five days. If Jen
would, because this is what I will buy was happening.
I believe Jen was incredibly depressed. She was
in a dark place. And when you get deeper into
the season. You almost get confirmation of that
without getting real confirmation of that. I
think she was in a place we've all been in where
she mentally could not handle talking about it.
She couldn't even talk to the people who were
involved. I think she just had to take that time.
And you'll kind of see that happen. And if she
would have just said that in this moment. Yeah.
She would have been fine. I do think there might
be some kind of stigma around mental health.
In the church. Yeah. Yes. And so I think until
she really has to come to terms with it, she
didn't want to say that. I think she just like
kind of froze in that moment and didn't know
what to say. And I think we've all been there,
too, where it's like. As someone with depression,
like saying you were depressed doesn't feel like
enough. Like you still feel like you're a bad
person for not answering your friends. And so
it's like I kind of understand where she's coming
from. I do think she could have been a better
friend to them in that time. And like at least
said, I'm going through it. I'm sorry if I'm
not replying type of thing. Like at least like
communicate that. And then they gave her the
perfect platform to just say that. And I don't
know why she couldn't. Zach makes Jen be honest
about the gambling away his medical school tuition.
And I was like, ooh, she didn't like this. She
was really petty about that. I don't know. I
think she just. wanted to hurt Zach the way that
Zach hurt her. She thought her marriage was over.
She thought her marriage was over. Let's just
be real about that. I think she just wanted to
tear at him. And you know what? She got it in
there, you know, and it was a lie and it came
out. And I think she, at least she did own that.
Didn't she? Where she was like, Oh yeah, well
that wasn't true. Yeah. Cause Zach made her.
Yeah. Yeah. Can you imagine sitting there with
your husband and being like, And him being like,
I wish you would just be honest about this because
this is uncomfortable for everyone. Yeah, that's
tough. Well, it's hard. Like if you're going
through it with someone and you start being petty
and mean to them and about them and then you
have to own that. I can see that being like a
hard pill to swallow to be like, yeah, I was
being a bitch. Sorry. Christ. You know? Yes.
I don't. Yeah. Okay. So we move on to that just
for them to chip and Dale our girl. Well, so
before that, Jen's getting ready for the Halloween
party and she's obsessed with being related to
Ben Affleck. You have to see how this plays out
on the show. You have to see how it plays out
on the show. Is it chaotic? It's a whole thing.
The reason she's bringing it up is because Zach
wants her to stop saying it. He says that in
the show. He says. I didn't know if you had seen
that yet. Yeah. He says, I wish she would stop
saying that because I don't think it's true.
He said he said it's been a joke for years in
the family. So, yeah, I mean, I get it because
she comes back and is like that. But but like
it wasn't a joke when your family members were
telling me that. Yes. And like I. I don't know
if she's like I would see how she'd be obsessed
with being related to Ben Affleck. But I think
it also comes from a place of, again, like insecurity
and embarrassment where she's like, I said this
for so long and so loud. Yes. That like, please
don't out me now. You know, like if you just
stop saying it, it stops being right. If you
just like never say Ben Affleck again, it will
never come up again. But also. No one cares.
No, I don't think anyone has ever cared. I just
found out the other day that one of Kenny's friends
is related to CeeLo Green, who I love. Right.
It does not change the way I see Kenny's friend
in his life. No, not at all. So they all show
up to Jesse's house for the Halloween party.
So Jordan's going to be Ben Affleck. Jesse looks
incredible as J -Lo. Can I just say? Johnny.
God damn. And they unfortunately ate Jen and
Zach up. Well, I have that later in my notes
that they objectively look better. Oh, yeah.
Well, I think Jen tried to be this whole Jenny
from the block situation. Is that what she was
being? I think so. Christ. I didn't like it.
It didn't play out well. Taylor shows up as Gretchen
Wieners as a cat. Macy and Jacob show up as Regina
and. Aaron Samuels. Michaela and Jace show up
as Karen in the burn book. Demi is Fruity Pebbles
and Brett is Milk. Yeah, that was a weird costume.
Brett is so hot, though. Yeah, Brett is really
hot. If I look like him at 47, that's all I want.
Then Jen and Zach also show up as J -Lo and Ben
Affleck. And that was hard. That was really,
really hard. Dakota shows up as the bus that
hits Regina Jordan, which I thought was actually
really funny. Yeah. Then Miranda's ex -husband
Chase shows up without a costume and he. He's
supposed to be Justin Bieber. Did he say that?
They say it like in the show at some point, but
he doesn't look like Justin Bieber. Oh. I just
thought he was being a douchebag and I was so
into it. I was into it. Really? Oh, yeah. I think
he's cute. I think he is so hot. I think he's
cute. And if anything, that makes sense because
Miranda is stunning. I think. I think she's so
beautiful. And so Chase is kind of a match for
that. I am glad that they're broken up, though.
Yes. Anyway. Yeah. We get to. Chase and Dakota
start there. They're talking and they're like,
I don't see why we hate each other. And then
Taylor confronts them. And apparently the lowest
point in Chase's life was when Taylor outed everyone
for being swingers. And I'm like, why'd you do
it? Why'd you do it? Right. How is that the lowest
point in your life? This kind of comes back later
in the season with someone else where it's like.
You've really never gone through anything before
in your life ever. No. Like, what? And I do understand
Taylor's problem with the whole thing. You didn't
get to the second half of the episode, so I won't,
like... But you saw most of the confrontation
already. It does get worse. Good. Taylor has
a problem with the fact that Dakota didn't stand
up for her. I that started to come out at the
end of this episode. And I fully agree with her.
I do, too. And I totally see where she's coming
from. I do see like the she could have just been
chill at a Halloween party thing. But also Dakota
is supposed to be trying to win her back. He's
supposedly so in love with her. But the second
he gets a chance to not be on her side, he's
not on her side. I agree. We close out the episode
with the guys upstairs practicing their Chippendale
dance. We find out Jordan does not have an ounce
of sex appeal. Or, like, maybe it's a confidence
thing. I don't know. Or maybe he's just uncomfortable.
I don't know. I don't know. But, like, he is
so awkward about it. And, like, standing next
to... Brett, who's, like, so in his sexual bath.
Yes, and a literal Chippendale dancer. Yeah,
right. Like, what is one to do with that? It
was funny to watch. I kind of see, like, I think
he and Jesse are actually really cute together.
I think they're adorable together. I can see
that, like, behind closed doors, they are, like,
a perfect lovey -dovey match. You know what I
mean? I think he just doesn't know what to do
with that in real life, though, because the church.
Right. Yeah, 100%. And he, like, doesn't know
what's appropriate and what's not, especially
when you're dealing with Jen. Yes. And then the
cops show up and that's where we leave the episode.
Yeah. So you get more tea the next episode about
exactly what's happening, obviously. But I think
I want you to notice Miranda and how she deals
with Chase in the next episode, because that's
like where I actually grew an opinion about Miranda
and was like, oh, I like you. Interesting. And
also Taylor. It does go off the rails, but has
a point. And the cops showing up. Neither here
nor there. So that brings us to the end of another
episode of Bestie Approved. This was the longest
one so far. This is a good episode. We had so
much reality TV to catch up on. We did. And I
think this is going to be. I like this. I think
this is fun. Thank you for listening. We love
you. Tell your messiest friend about us. But
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pride and joy of a son. And he sat with us for
probably 75 percent of this episode. And he was
so incredible and he was so supportive and he
was such a good listener. And I appreciate him
being here. So thank you so much. We love you,
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