WEBVTT 00:00:13.869 --> 00:00:16.850 Hey everyone, welcome to Seneca Lake Mysteries, 00:00:16.870 --> 00:00:20.609 the podcast where we explore the unusual, strange, 00:00:20.890 --> 00:00:24.149 and unexplained on New York's largest finger 00:00:24.149 --> 00:00:27.589 lake. Thanks a million for joining me again and 00:00:27.589 --> 00:00:30.850 for all the support. And please continue to like, 00:00:30.890 --> 00:00:33.909 subscribe, review, and share the podcast. It 00:00:33.909 --> 00:00:37.649 all adds up. And as always, I appreciate every 00:00:37.649 --> 00:00:41.820 one of you. So this time around, I'll be... Revisiting 00:00:41.820 --> 00:00:44.719 the story of the mysterious round craters that 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:47.380 were recently discovered at the bottom of Seneca 00:00:47.380 --> 00:00:51.340 Lake after a six -year -long, high -tech, comprehensive 00:00:51.340 --> 00:00:55.640 topographic mapping of the lake bed was completed 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:59.299 by researchers from the Seneca Lake Archaeological 00:00:59.299 --> 00:01:02.920 and Bathymetric Survey Project. We'll look at 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:06.030 the current theory. that the craters were caused 00:01:06.030 --> 00:01:08.689 by methane gas leaks in the bottom of the lake, 00:01:08.810 --> 00:01:11.989 and then take a closer look at other cases of 00:01:11.989 --> 00:01:14.769 pockmarks or craters found at the bottom of the 00:01:14.769 --> 00:01:18.209 ocean, including one that has some striking and 00:01:18.209 --> 00:01:21.829 distinct similarities with those found at Seneca 00:01:21.829 --> 00:01:24.909 Lake, although scientists believe that that site 00:01:24.909 --> 00:01:30.180 has nothing to do with methane leaks. Next, we'll 00:01:30.180 --> 00:01:33.099 dive into the possibility that an ancient civilization 00:01:33.099 --> 00:01:36.239 once roamed the Finger Lakes area. We'll start 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:40.200 with one of the most unusual and mysterious ancient 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:43.180 stoneworks in North America, the Bluff Point 00:01:43.180 --> 00:01:47.420 Stoneworks on Keuka Lake, and how that site just 00:01:47.420 --> 00:01:50.519 may be related to another equally mysterious 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:54.219 spot near Seneca Lake. And finally, I'll take 00:01:54.219 --> 00:01:57.680 you through a... classic UFO sighting from Ovid, 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:01.060 New York, back in 1980, which included multiple 00:02:01.060 --> 00:02:04.879 witnesses and even some strange physical effects 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:09.800 the objects had on at least one witness. But 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:12.099 before we get to those stories, I have a quick 00:02:12.099 --> 00:02:15.259 one to tell you guys. This story is very short 00:02:15.259 --> 00:02:19.039 and it lacks detail, so it's not quite substantial 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:21.979 enough to spotlight it with its own segment, 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:26.500 but the subject matter... is so wild I have no 00:02:26.500 --> 00:02:30.280 choice but to talk about it. I found this story 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:34.360 in a book titled The Lake Country, an Annal of 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:37.539 Golden Days in Central New York, the Land of 00:02:37.539 --> 00:02:41.520 Gold, by John Corbett, which was published in 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:45.740 1898. It's in a section called The Folklore, 00:02:45.939 --> 00:02:48.800 which describes some of the stranger myths and 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:53.259 legends in the area. It's just one brief paragraph. 00:02:53.949 --> 00:02:59.009 which reads as follows, quote, The superstition 00:02:59.009 --> 00:03:02.310 of the vampire, that horror of the grave which 00:03:02.310 --> 00:03:05.469 was supposed to harbor the dead yet derive its 00:03:05.469 --> 00:03:08.689 sustenance from the living, had one illustration 00:03:08.689 --> 00:03:12.229 at least about Seneca Lake. Down the western 00:03:12.229 --> 00:03:15.669 shore, not many miles from its head, in the early 00:03:15.669 --> 00:03:18.949 years, the corpse of a young woman was exhumed 00:03:18.949 --> 00:03:21.449 and the heart and other vital parts committed 00:03:21.449 --> 00:03:24.960 to the flames. The gruesome tale comports in 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:27.780 a remarkable manner with the general sayings 00:03:27.780 --> 00:03:32.060 in regard to vampire. Of several sisters, all 00:03:32.060 --> 00:03:35.539 in succession had wasted away until one remained 00:03:35.539 --> 00:03:39.340 and she was ill. Though in the grave for many 00:03:39.340 --> 00:03:42.060 months, the burned portions of the body were 00:03:42.060 --> 00:03:45.580 fresh in appearance, the living sister, undoubtedly 00:03:45.580 --> 00:03:49.180 from mental relief, recovered her health after 00:03:49.180 --> 00:03:53.210 the event. End quote. So when I first started 00:03:53.210 --> 00:03:55.289 digging into the weird history of Seneca Lake, 00:03:55.370 --> 00:03:58.990 I knew there would be UFOs and lake monsters 00:03:58.990 --> 00:04:03.349 and the Seneca drums and hauntings and just maybe 00:04:03.349 --> 00:04:07.370 a cameo or two from Bigfoot. But I genuinely 00:04:07.370 --> 00:04:11.310 never expected to find out there was a vampire 00:04:11.310 --> 00:04:15.689 legend from the area, especially a story of a 00:04:15.689 --> 00:04:18.509 dead vampire being dug up and burned along the 00:04:18.509 --> 00:04:22.120 western shore of the lake. The more I look, the 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:25.699 weirder this place gets. And I guess I should 00:04:25.699 --> 00:04:28.319 say that if you've had any vampire encounters 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:33.120 around Seneca Lake, please let me know. So let's 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:44.839 get to it. So back in episode three of the Seneca 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:49.079 Lake Mysteries podcast, I covered a news story 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:53.089 that had... recently been published around that 00:04:53.089 --> 00:04:58.889 time and it was related to the results of the 00:04:58.889 --> 00:05:02.610 Seneca Lake Archaeological and Bathymetric Survey 00:05:02.610 --> 00:05:07.290 Project which was a project that was done using 00:05:07.290 --> 00:05:11.050 state -of -the -art underwater equipment that 00:05:11.050 --> 00:05:16.410 took place over six years that was done to that 00:05:16.410 --> 00:05:22.279 ended up capturing not only images of 44 canal 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:27.560 shipwrecks, but it also created the most detailed 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:34.220 and comprehensive topographic map of the lake's 00:05:34.220 --> 00:05:38.620 bottom that had ever been completed. So it gave 00:05:38.620 --> 00:05:44.100 us an unprecedented level of detail in understanding 00:05:44.100 --> 00:05:48.819 what Seneca's lake bed looks like. And what those 00:05:48.819 --> 00:05:53.399 researchers found was not only the 44 canal shipwrecks, 00:05:53.480 --> 00:06:00.680 but they found a field of around 70 indentations, 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:02.959 craters, pockmarks, whatever you want to call 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:05.860 them. Each one of them around 30 feet deep and 00:06:05.860 --> 00:06:11.180 400 feet wide, covering an area of over four 00:06:11.180 --> 00:06:15.259 square miles and the southern end of Seneca Lake. 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:19.500 But what was really intriguing, to me at least, 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:23.740 about these features on the lake's bottom, were 00:06:23.740 --> 00:06:28.019 that many of the craters were near -perfect circles, 00:06:28.339 --> 00:06:31.819 and they were sometimes lying in straight lines. 00:06:33.540 --> 00:06:37.579 And also, around the time that these results 00:06:37.579 --> 00:06:39.879 were published, the results were published actually 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:45.319 in March of 2025, and then in May. it was announced 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:50.000 that researchers from Cornell University and 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:52.980 the SUNY College of Environmental Science and 00:06:52.980 --> 00:06:58.100 Forestry in Syracuse were being provided with 00:06:58.100 --> 00:07:03.519 a grant of over $12 ,000 to investigate these 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:07.959 recently discovered holes or pockmarks or craters 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:14.079 in the bottom of Seneca Lake. to see if those 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:18.800 holes were releasing methane or other chemicals 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:26.199 that might explain the Seneca drums. Now, the 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:30.079 theory of the Seneca drums being just gas bubbles 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:36.439 rising to the surface has been around for almost 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:43.050 100 years, since at least 1934. But again, it's 00:07:43.050 --> 00:07:47.829 still a theory. No one has ever proven or found 00:07:47.829 --> 00:07:54.329 evidence showing that the Seneca drums come from 00:07:54.329 --> 00:07:58.750 the release of gas bubbles that come from the 00:07:58.750 --> 00:08:02.629 bottom of the lake and rise to the surface. So 00:08:02.629 --> 00:08:06.769 I got curious about this subject, this idea of... 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:09.660 methane gas being released in the bottom of a 00:08:09.660 --> 00:08:13.779 lake and rising to the surface. So I did a little 00:08:13.779 --> 00:08:17.720 bit of research on my own just to learn about 00:08:17.720 --> 00:08:21.019 other examples of this phenomenon happening. 00:08:21.420 --> 00:08:27.399 And it's a pretty common phenomenon in the world's 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:35.700 oceans. The Barents Sea, which is located north 00:08:35.700 --> 00:08:42.860 of Russia and Norway, the Arctic Ocean, craters 00:08:42.860 --> 00:08:49.080 have been seen there. There are craters in the 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:53.360 Arctic Ocean that are ancient and believed to 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:58.360 have been caused by methane gas escaping from 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:02.580 the bottom of the ocean. The Barents Sea, there's 00:09:02.580 --> 00:09:06.269 also craters there. The Barents Sea is... north 00:09:06.269 --> 00:09:11.250 of Norway and Russia. There are craters there 00:09:11.250 --> 00:09:13.490 that have been studied and photographed that 00:09:13.490 --> 00:09:18.350 are believed to have been created by gas escaping. 00:09:20.090 --> 00:09:23.029 And while some researchers believe that there 00:09:23.029 --> 00:09:26.929 are newer craters, new craters being created 00:09:26.929 --> 00:09:33.450 in the Barents Sea, there's really no evidence 00:09:33.450 --> 00:09:37.659 of that specifically. happening now. The theory 00:09:37.659 --> 00:09:41.120 that these were created by methane explosions, 00:09:41.419 --> 00:09:45.659 both the Arctic Ocean and Barents Sea, both of 00:09:45.659 --> 00:09:48.299 those theories are that it took place thousands 00:09:48.299 --> 00:09:54.500 of years ago. However, of course, the idea that 00:09:54.500 --> 00:10:00.779 gas explosions or methane leaks in the bottom 00:10:00.779 --> 00:10:03.759 of the ocean are a real phenomena. They've been 00:10:04.090 --> 00:10:07.769 photographed it does happen it's not an uncommon 00:10:07.769 --> 00:10:13.870 event now i was but i was also curious about 00:10:13.870 --> 00:10:18.450 these the craters in seneca lake seeming to be 00:10:18.450 --> 00:10:23.990 a lot they seem to be of mostly uniform sizes 00:10:23.990 --> 00:10:30.929 and arranged in linear fashion so i was wondering 00:10:30.929 --> 00:10:34.940 if that phenomena is also tied to these Arctic 00:10:34.940 --> 00:10:38.220 Ocean craters or Barents Sea or any of these 00:10:38.220 --> 00:10:42.440 other locations with gas leaks in the bottom 00:10:42.440 --> 00:10:47.960 of the ocean. And none of them really were. Crater 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:55.179 Lake, which is in Oregon and is the deepest lake 00:10:55.179 --> 00:11:03.649 in the United States at 1 ,949 feet. uh has craters 00:11:03.649 --> 00:11:09.730 on the lake's bottom but they're various sizes 00:11:09.730 --> 00:11:12.429 some of the photos i've seen different sizes 00:11:12.429 --> 00:11:17.950 um they don't really seem to be have the same 00:11:17.950 --> 00:11:22.330 kind of order that the pockmarks in the bottom 00:11:22.330 --> 00:11:26.590 of seneca lake have so this field of craters 00:11:26.590 --> 00:11:30.399 in the bottom of seneca lake is highly unusual, 00:11:30.700 --> 00:11:34.360 specifically because of the uniformity, like 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:37.480 I've said, the uniformity of size of a lot of 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:40.240 the craters and the fact that a lot of them seem 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:47.940 to be arranged in rows. But I did find one example 00:11:47.940 --> 00:11:53.059 of a field of pockmarks or craters in the bottom 00:11:53.059 --> 00:11:57.529 of the ocean that are... Uniform in size and 00:11:57.529 --> 00:12:02.409 seem to be arranged in lines. And those are known 00:12:02.409 --> 00:12:07.509 as the pockmarks of Big Sur or the Big Sur pockmarks 00:12:07.509 --> 00:12:14.649 off the coast of California. Now, the Big Sur 00:12:14.649 --> 00:12:19.529 pockmark field, as compared to Seneca Lake, the 00:12:19.529 --> 00:12:22.570 one on Seneca Lake is just over four square miles. 00:12:24.009 --> 00:12:29.110 The Big Sur pockmark field is roughly the size 00:12:29.110 --> 00:12:31.970 of the city of Los Angeles, which would be 400 00:12:31.970 --> 00:12:35.309 to 500 square miles, I would believe. The Seneca 00:12:35.309 --> 00:12:38.649 Lake pockmarks, there's about roughly 70 of them. 00:12:40.450 --> 00:12:46.350 The Big Sur pockmark field has over 5 ,200 craters 00:12:46.350 --> 00:12:51.590 on the ocean floor. The craters in Seneca Lake. 00:12:52.350 --> 00:12:56.830 are roughly 400 feet across and about 30 feet 00:12:56.830 --> 00:13:03.370 deep. The formations in Big Sur are roughly 650 00:13:03.370 --> 00:13:09.669 feet across, so larger, and about average of 00:13:09.669 --> 00:13:13.649 15 feet deep, which is half the depth of the 00:13:13.649 --> 00:13:19.289 Pog Marks in Seneca Lake. And what was very interesting 00:13:19.289 --> 00:13:23.440 to me is that for... Decades, researchers and 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:28.059 scientists have believed that the Big Sur pockmark 00:13:28.059 --> 00:13:33.899 field was caused by methane gas leaking through 00:13:33.899 --> 00:13:37.879 the ocean floor. But in recent years, there have 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:43.440 been discussions of putting in wind farms out 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:47.860 in the ocean off of right in that area around 00:13:47.860 --> 00:13:50.350 the Big Sur pockmarks. And there were concerns 00:13:50.350 --> 00:13:55.470 that if there was methane leaking through the 00:13:55.470 --> 00:13:57.230 ocean floor, that that would cause stability 00:13:57.230 --> 00:14:02.029 problems for the wind farm. So researchers took 00:14:02.029 --> 00:14:05.529 another look at it and came to a very different 00:14:05.529 --> 00:14:10.990 conclusion back in 2024. So there was extensive 00:14:10.990 --> 00:14:15.909 research done by the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research 00:14:15.909 --> 00:14:21.600 Institute, the MBARI. along with help from the 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:24.580 U .S. Geological Survey and Stanford University. 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:32.659 They used state -of -the -art underwater robots 00:14:32.659 --> 00:14:41.340 to map the pockmark field and to research the 00:14:41.340 --> 00:14:47.299 sediment, and they found absolutely no signs 00:14:47.299 --> 00:14:52.860 of methane. And of course, I found this very 00:14:52.860 --> 00:14:56.320 interesting, considering what's going on at Seneca 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:59.580 Lake, that there's going to be further research 00:14:59.580 --> 00:15:03.240 done on the pockmarks in Seneca Lake, which have 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:06.960 been, you know, the Seneca drums have been believed 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:09.480 to be caused by methane. And now that these pockmarks 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:12.039 have been found, it's believed to be caused by 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:23.389 methane. These assumptions were wrong, at least 00:15:23.389 --> 00:15:27.970 about that pockmark field. So what did the researchers 00:15:27.970 --> 00:15:34.450 in California figure out? What did they say caused 00:15:34.450 --> 00:15:39.230 these pockmarks? They discovered that powerful 00:15:39.230 --> 00:15:45.070 ancient sediment flows, so mud, sand, water, 00:15:45.250 --> 00:15:50.840 rushing downhill along the seafloor, Almost like 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:55.980 underwater avalanches have been shaping and creating 00:15:55.980 --> 00:16:01.100 and maintaining those pockmarks for hundreds 00:16:01.100 --> 00:16:05.820 of thousands of years. They estimate 250 ,000 00:16:05.820 --> 00:16:09.799 years or more. 280 ,000, excuse me, or more. 00:16:11.460 --> 00:16:16.759 Now, of course, even though the photographs or 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:21.929 the bathymetric Images of the Big Sur pockmarks 00:16:21.929 --> 00:16:27.769 do look quite similar to the bathymetric images 00:16:27.769 --> 00:16:30.990 at the bottom of Seneca Lake and those craters. 00:16:32.210 --> 00:16:37.169 There's still a huge difference in the locations 00:16:37.169 --> 00:16:41.490 because you're talking about the shore of the 00:16:41.490 --> 00:16:46.350 Pacific Ocean compared to a freshwater lake. 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:53.039 in the middle of upstate New York. It's understandable 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:59.019 how hundreds of thousands of years of ocean floor 00:16:59.019 --> 00:17:05.099 sediment moving back and forth, avalanches, underwater 00:17:05.099 --> 00:17:09.539 avalanches, the power of the tide of the oceans 00:17:09.539 --> 00:17:13.859 causing the sediment to swirl and to move in 00:17:13.859 --> 00:17:18.009 these patterns and creating... These pockmarks 00:17:18.009 --> 00:17:21.049 in the bottom of the ocean. How would that have 00:17:21.049 --> 00:17:26.289 happened in Seneca Lake? Are the currents of 00:17:26.289 --> 00:17:31.549 Seneca Lake strong enough to create these types 00:17:31.549 --> 00:17:35.569 of indentations in the bottom of the lake? Were 00:17:35.569 --> 00:17:39.150 these indentations created hundreds of thousands 00:17:39.150 --> 00:17:45.190 of years ago in the bottom of Seneca Lake? Are 00:17:45.190 --> 00:17:51.779 they actually... incredibly ancient. It's hard 00:17:51.779 --> 00:17:54.599 to tell, and I'm not an expert, but I am going 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:58.720 to make a prediction right here on the Seneca 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:02.559 Lake Mysteries podcast. I predict that the research 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:06.440 that's done by Cornell University and the SUNY 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:11.880 ESF are going to find no indication that methane 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:15.279 created these pockmarks in the bottom of Seneca 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:20.160 Lake. I think the Seneca drums are a bigger mystery 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:23.299 than anyone wants to admit. I think these pockmarks 00:18:23.299 --> 00:18:27.500 are a much bigger mystery than anyone is admitting 00:18:27.500 --> 00:18:31.279 at the moment. And I invite everyone to go back, 00:18:31.299 --> 00:18:35.740 look at these images that were released of the 00:18:35.740 --> 00:18:39.079 bottom of Seneca Lake. Go to SenecaLakeMysteries 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:43.140 .com. I have the images up there. And remember 00:18:43.140 --> 00:18:50.789 that this is a... detailed, high -tech topographic 00:18:50.789 --> 00:18:54.690 map of the bottom of the lake. These aren't rough 00:18:54.690 --> 00:19:00.990 images. These are huge, round, some of them perfectly 00:19:00.990 --> 00:19:05.109 round, craters in the bottom of the lake that 00:19:05.109 --> 00:19:08.450 are arranged in just one small area, arranged 00:19:08.450 --> 00:19:14.849 in perfect lines at times. And I'll also put 00:19:14.849 --> 00:19:17.950 some links in the description or at least a link 00:19:17.950 --> 00:19:23.369 to show the Big Sur pockmark field as well so 00:19:23.369 --> 00:19:27.710 you can see just how similar they are. And I 00:19:27.710 --> 00:19:29.529 will be interested to see what the researchers 00:19:29.529 --> 00:19:32.730 find in the next year or so when they're studying 00:19:32.730 --> 00:19:35.250 these pockmarks and seeing if there are any chemicals 00:19:35.250 --> 00:19:39.789 or methane leaks down there. But I also strongly 00:19:39.789 --> 00:19:44.079 believe that... This finding, this field of pockmarks 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:48.619 in the bottom of Seneca Lake is extremely unusual 00:19:48.619 --> 00:19:51.980 for a freshwater lake. I've looked at bathymetric 00:19:51.980 --> 00:19:56.099 maps of Lake Champlain for comparison. There 00:19:56.099 --> 00:19:58.420 are none of these pockmarks. If you look at the 00:19:58.420 --> 00:20:00.960 bathymetric map of the rest of Seneca Lake, because 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:03.279 this is only a small portion, there are none 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:07.480 of these pockmarks. It's a highly unusual phenomenon 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:18.000 that cannot be... explained at this time. So 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:23.039 this story sort of begins outside of the Seneca 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:27.160 Lake area. So I'm going to tell you the story 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:32.740 of this particular place. And although it's not 00:20:32.740 --> 00:20:38.500 a place within the Seneca Lake mysteries realm 00:20:38.500 --> 00:20:43.900 that I normally talk about I'm going to after 00:20:43.900 --> 00:20:49.500 I tell you the story I'm going to tie it to another 00:20:49.500 --> 00:20:56.160 story from the Seneca Lake area and the first 00:20:56.160 --> 00:20:59.240 part of the story that does take place further 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:04.019 away isn't really that far away it's on Keuka 00:21:04.019 --> 00:21:09.859 Lake west of Seneca Lake And some of you might 00:21:09.859 --> 00:21:15.680 have heard about this location called the Bluff 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:19.799 Point Stoneworks. The Bluff Point Stoneworks 00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:26.339 are a prehistoric stone complex, stone structure 00:21:26.339 --> 00:21:32.779 located in the middle of, in between, Keuka Lake 00:21:32.779 --> 00:21:36.930 is shaped more or less like a Y. And right in 00:21:36.930 --> 00:21:40.730 the middle of that Y is where the Bluff Point 00:21:40.730 --> 00:21:45.589 stoneworks are located. They're on a high point 00:21:45.589 --> 00:21:52.710 in between the two branches of Keuka Lake. And 00:21:52.710 --> 00:22:00.410 unfortunately, this site is mostly destroyed. 00:22:00.690 --> 00:22:08.200 There's some areas of... of stone and some traces 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:12.640 of the site that are still in existence but the 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:17.480 the original site was written about and described 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:23.599 in the late 1800s and the descriptions and the 00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:27.480 drawings of this site are absolutely astounding 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:34.059 they do not match up with any other Ancient. 00:22:34.900 --> 00:22:39.700 Native sites. Or ancient stone sites. In the 00:22:39.700 --> 00:22:46.839 northeast. At all. So let's get into it. The 00:22:46.839 --> 00:22:52.059 Bluff Point Stoneworks. Are on a. Were on a roughly 00:22:52.059 --> 00:22:57.279 seven acre. Area. At the top of the bluff. It's 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:01.480 right at the highest point. Between the two. 00:23:02.250 --> 00:23:09.849 branches of Keuka Lake. And one of the more striking 00:23:09.849 --> 00:23:17.109 and unusual features of this stone complex are 00:23:17.109 --> 00:23:22.029 referred to as graded ways. And what these graded 00:23:22.029 --> 00:23:30.079 ways were were long lines of stone. paths or 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:32.859 roads or whatever you want to call them approximately 00:23:32.859 --> 00:23:38.079 three feet to eight feet wide and about one foot 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:44.500 high and the base of them the the flat part were 00:23:44.500 --> 00:23:48.359 all stones that had been laid down and along 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:53.559 the sides there were additional stones embedded 00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:58.599 into the ground and standing on end and tilted 00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:02.839 inward toward the middle of these graded ways. 00:24:03.740 --> 00:24:09.000 And these graded ways were hundreds of feet long. 00:24:09.819 --> 00:24:13.680 And many of these straight lines were in crossing 00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:19.019 patterns, 90 degree angles, what have you. An 00:24:19.019 --> 00:24:25.250 extremely unusual type of structure. But in addition 00:24:25.250 --> 00:24:32.609 to these graded ways, there were several stone 00:24:32.609 --> 00:24:36.529 circles with large stones arranged in patterns 00:24:36.529 --> 00:24:43.990 standing on end. And there was one large stone 00:24:43.990 --> 00:24:51.289 in the western end of the complex that was roughly 00:24:51.289 --> 00:24:56.940 8 to 10 feet tall. standing completely on end, 00:24:57.099 --> 00:25:03.200 often referred to as a monolith when talking 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:07.180 about stone structures around the world. Now, 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:14.039 unfortunately, there was never any official investigation 00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:20.099 of the site by archaeologists. It was all amateur 00:25:20.099 --> 00:25:23.539 archaeologists and other amateur researchers. 00:25:24.250 --> 00:25:30.789 who studied and mapped the Bluff Point Stoneworks. 00:25:31.970 --> 00:25:36.529 And among these older accounts of the Bluff Point 00:25:36.529 --> 00:25:40.170 Stoneworks are some features that are even more 00:25:40.170 --> 00:25:44.910 intriguing and more strange, although it's essentially 00:25:44.910 --> 00:25:50.269 impossible to sort out whether these are legitimate 00:25:50.269 --> 00:25:53.710 claims or whether these were made up. But it 00:25:53.710 --> 00:25:58.589 was said that many of the stoneworks included 00:25:58.589 --> 00:26:04.009 engravings on the stone of human heads and animal 00:26:04.009 --> 00:26:08.109 heads that were arranged in patterns similar 00:26:08.109 --> 00:26:13.210 to those made by the Etruscan and ancient civilization 00:26:13.210 --> 00:26:22.410 in Italy that were around 900 BC. to about 27 00:26:22.410 --> 00:26:27.250 BC. And another account even said that there 00:26:27.250 --> 00:26:31.789 was an engraving of the face of a veiled woman 00:26:31.789 --> 00:26:37.630 that looked to them like Isis. Now, there have 00:26:37.630 --> 00:26:40.849 been lots of theories thrown around over the 00:26:40.849 --> 00:26:46.009 years as far as who actually built the Bluff 00:26:46.009 --> 00:26:50.269 Point stoneworks. Some folks claimed that it 00:26:50.269 --> 00:26:55.230 was The Hopewells, the mound builders who had 00:26:55.230 --> 00:26:59.490 left their mark around Western and Central New 00:26:59.490 --> 00:27:02.170 York and around the Finger Lakes, apparently. 00:27:03.210 --> 00:27:06.309 However, there are no other examples of Hopewells 00:27:06.309 --> 00:27:11.970 building complex structures out of stone like 00:27:11.970 --> 00:27:22.349 the ones found on Bluff Point. or Celtic people 00:27:22.349 --> 00:27:28.109 who had traveled to the North American continent 00:27:28.109 --> 00:27:33.369 before Columbus had come and built these structures 00:27:33.369 --> 00:27:41.349 for various reasons, archaeoastronomy, placed 00:27:41.349 --> 00:27:47.849 a signal beacon, something like that. But ultimately, 00:27:48.049 --> 00:27:54.390 to this day, Nobody knows who built the Bluff 00:27:54.390 --> 00:27:58.910 Point stoneworks. And like I said, there's very 00:27:58.910 --> 00:28:03.450 little evidence left of these stoneworks. And 00:28:03.450 --> 00:28:06.349 researchers and experts, specifically in the 00:28:06.349 --> 00:28:10.730 field of ancient earthworks, ancient stoneworks, 00:28:10.890 --> 00:28:15.569 say that there are no other examples of any other 00:28:15.569 --> 00:28:20.589 site looking like this one. anywhere in North 00:28:20.589 --> 00:28:26.390 America. Now, I had mentioned Bluff Point in 00:28:26.390 --> 00:28:30.089 one of my previous podcasts, one of the ones 00:28:30.089 --> 00:28:36.390 where I was speaking with Soraya up at Willard 00:28:36.390 --> 00:28:40.869 Cemetery, and I had mentioned it. One of my listeners 00:28:40.869 --> 00:28:47.349 heard that episode and kind of... rekindled my 00:28:47.349 --> 00:28:50.769 interest in Bluff Point sent me a link a couple 00:28:50.769 --> 00:28:53.289 weeks ago. I'm going to put that link in the 00:28:53.289 --> 00:28:57.569 description. It's a YouTube video from six years 00:28:57.569 --> 00:29:02.529 ago that's called The Lost Civilization of Bluff 00:29:02.529 --> 00:29:05.650 Point, New York. And I encourage all of you who 00:29:05.650 --> 00:29:07.950 are curious about Bluff Point to check out that 00:29:07.950 --> 00:29:16.119 video. Very interesting. Well done. And honestly, 00:29:16.259 --> 00:29:18.920 I love the title of it, The Lost Civilization 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:21.940 of Bluff Point, New York. Because the truth is, 00:29:22.019 --> 00:29:25.319 nobody knows who built this. And whoever built 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:30.680 this should be considered a lost civilization. 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:38.720 Also, in an interesting piece of synchronicity, 00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:42.480 there's a podcast called Legends of the Lost 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:47.900 with Nina Alvarez. And I just found that Nina 00:29:47.900 --> 00:29:51.140 had reposted the first episode of this podcast, 00:29:51.579 --> 00:29:55.339 Legends of the Lost, which deals specifically 00:29:55.339 --> 00:29:59.839 with the Bluff Point ruins and goes into detail 00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:05.619 about a newspaper man named Gilbert T. Brewer, 00:30:05.700 --> 00:30:09.200 who spoke a lot, brought a lot of attention to 00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:13.299 the Bluff Point ruins back in the 1930s and 40s. 00:30:13.789 --> 00:30:17.730 So I'll put that link in the description as well. 00:30:17.789 --> 00:30:21.490 I haven't listened to the podcast, but hey, it's 00:30:21.490 --> 00:30:24.609 about Bluff Point ruins. So if you're interested 00:30:24.609 --> 00:30:27.829 in learning more, check out the links in the 00:30:27.829 --> 00:30:32.269 description. So how do the Bluff Point ruins 00:30:32.269 --> 00:30:37.430 connect with the Seneca Lake area? Well, when 00:30:37.430 --> 00:30:40.430 I was looking at the Bluff Point ruins again 00:30:40.430 --> 00:30:44.559 in recent weeks, there was one piece of information 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:51.039 that reminded me of another old story that I 00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:54.460 talked about in the first episode of this podcast 00:30:54.460 --> 00:31:00.200 relating to Aunt Sarah's Falls in Montour Falls. 00:31:01.859 --> 00:31:05.099 Now, Aunt Sarah's Falls, as I mentioned before, 00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:09.319 is probably my favorite waterfall in the Seneca 00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:14.309 Lake area because... You can visit Aunt Sarah's 00:31:14.309 --> 00:31:20.730 Falls and see the falls, which are about 100 00:31:20.730 --> 00:31:24.789 feet high. However, you can't see from the ground 00:31:24.789 --> 00:31:28.910 that the falls actually extend another probably 00:31:28.910 --> 00:31:33.230 200 feet above the 100 feet that you can see 00:31:33.230 --> 00:31:36.289 from the ground. There are drone videos that 00:31:36.289 --> 00:31:40.210 are really cool to see. So Aunt Sarah's Falls 00:31:40.210 --> 00:31:45.309 is... So unique to me because you can't see all 00:31:45.309 --> 00:31:49.750 of Aunt Sarah's Falls. Part of it remains kind 00:31:49.750 --> 00:31:56.150 of hidden and kind of mysterious. So, when I 00:31:56.150 --> 00:32:01.289 heard the mention of a carved woman's face in 00:32:01.289 --> 00:32:05.930 the stones on Bluff Point, it reminded me of 00:32:05.930 --> 00:32:12.160 a story related to Aunt Sarah's Falls. And this 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:19.299 story I found in a report from the Ithaca Journal 00:32:19.299 --> 00:32:25.259 back in January of 1861. The name of the article 00:32:25.259 --> 00:32:28.819 is Legend Surrounds Aunt Sarah's Falls. It goes 00:32:28.819 --> 00:32:32.380 into the legend surrounding the naming of Aunt 00:32:32.380 --> 00:32:36.980 Sarah's Falls. But the part that got my attention 00:32:36.980 --> 00:32:44.900 is related to... stone carving on Aunt Sarah's 00:32:44.900 --> 00:32:50.660 Falls. And here's what the Ithaca Journal article 00:32:50.660 --> 00:32:56.140 says. Quote, The only known clue to Aunt Sarah's 00:32:56.140 --> 00:32:59.519 true identity was supplied many years ago by 00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:04.299 Gail Compton, who resided in Havana, now Montour 00:33:04.299 --> 00:33:08.319 Falls, before the Civil War. In writing about 00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:12.279 his boyhood in Havana, Compton testified concerning 00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:16.779 a stone formerly at the site of the falls upon 00:33:16.779 --> 00:33:19.880 which was carved the face of an Indian maid. 00:33:20.259 --> 00:33:24.740 During the gold fever in Schuyler, this stone 00:33:24.740 --> 00:33:29.700 was removed or destroyed by an eager prospector, 00:33:29.740 --> 00:33:34.400 end quote. And I've come across other mentions 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:38.960 of this carved stone saying that someone had 00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:42.619 actually used dynamite or some type of explosive 00:33:42.619 --> 00:33:46.500 to blow up the carved face because there was 00:33:46.500 --> 00:33:51.480 a rumor that there was gold inside of the stone, 00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:56.819 which turned out to be false. Now, I understand 00:33:56.819 --> 00:34:02.000 that the carved face of an Indian woman isn't 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:06.480 exactly the same as the carved face of an Egyptian 00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:13.730 woman, Isis, wearing a veil. But if it's true 00:34:13.730 --> 00:34:18.389 that there was a carved face of a woman at Bluff 00:34:18.389 --> 00:34:22.949 Point and there was a carved face of a woman 00:34:22.949 --> 00:34:28.570 at Aunt Sarah's Falls and Montour Falls, which 00:34:28.570 --> 00:34:33.409 are roughly 20 miles apart, and when you consider 00:34:33.409 --> 00:34:40.460 that there are no... known people or civilizations 00:34:40.460 --> 00:34:43.900 that have lived in the Northeast that were known 00:34:43.900 --> 00:34:50.480 for carving faces into stone. It adds another 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:55.420 whole layer of intrigue because it points toward 00:34:55.420 --> 00:34:59.119 the possibility of an ancient lost civilization 00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:06.059 existing not only near Cayuga Lake, but also 00:35:06.059 --> 00:35:10.340 near Seneca Lake. Who were these people? How 00:35:10.340 --> 00:35:13.239 did they get here? How long ago were they here? 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:18.059 So many questions. Let me know what you think. 00:35:18.179 --> 00:35:20.420 Let me know if you know of any other folklore 00:35:20.420 --> 00:35:24.679 from the area that might point towards this lost 00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:28.119 civilization. And by the way, if you've never 00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:32.739 been to Antseras Falls, it's well worth a visit. 00:35:32.780 --> 00:35:35.900 It's right along Route 14 in between Watkins 00:35:35.900 --> 00:35:44.510 Glen. and Montour Falls. So this story was sent 00:35:44.510 --> 00:35:48.469 to me by Soraya Azkath from the Where Did the 00:35:48.469 --> 00:35:54.030 Road Go podcast. My compadre down in Ithaca, 00:35:54.190 --> 00:35:57.610 he sent it to me a couple months ago, I think. 00:35:58.070 --> 00:36:01.610 It's a really great story. It's from 1980, so 00:36:01.610 --> 00:36:04.269 it goes back a few years, but it's a newspaper 00:36:04.269 --> 00:36:08.059 report, multiple witnesses. And it's definitely 00:36:08.059 --> 00:36:13.000 worth taking a look at. So the article was published 00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:16.440 in the Finger Lakes Times in Geneva on February 00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:22.780 22nd, 1980. And it refers to an event that happened 00:36:22.780 --> 00:36:30.659 several days earlier on February 18th, 1980 in 00:36:30.659 --> 00:36:33.760 Ovid, New York, which is, for those of you who 00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:38.019 aren't familiar with the areas, on the eastern 00:36:38.019 --> 00:36:44.599 side of Seneca Lake. So the story begins with 00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:50.039 an 11 -year -old witness named Scott Nittle, 00:36:50.179 --> 00:36:59.300 and he and his mother ended up seeing this object 00:36:59.300 --> 00:37:08.219 around 9 .45 p .m. So Scott said, I was just 00:37:08.219 --> 00:37:10.619 laying in my bed and then this light came through 00:37:10.619 --> 00:37:14.659 my window and made everything orange. And at 00:37:14.659 --> 00:37:16.480 first he thought it was the moonlight, but when 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:18.980 he took a closer look, he saw that it was an 00:37:18.980 --> 00:37:23.940 oval shaped object with about 10 windows straight 00:37:23.940 --> 00:37:27.360 across it. And it was hovering in a field behind 00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:31.940 his house on Route 96. So he called in his mother 00:37:31.940 --> 00:37:35.119 and she came in and she said, that the whole 00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:40.539 room was lit up in an orange color. So she went 00:37:40.539 --> 00:37:45.219 over to the window and saw the thing was up in 00:37:45.219 --> 00:37:48.780 the air about 30 feet high and 150 feet away. 00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:53.619 She described it as egg -shaped and about 5 feet 00:37:53.619 --> 00:37:58.139 wide. She said, I've never seen anything like 00:37:58.139 --> 00:38:02.539 it. It was just a big, bright orange blob. Then 00:38:02.539 --> 00:38:06.380 she said, Seconds later, the object shot up straight 00:38:06.380 --> 00:38:09.860 into the air and headed north toward Auburn, 00:38:09.940 --> 00:38:14.260 and then it appeared to explode. I thought at 00:38:14.260 --> 00:38:16.900 first it was an airplane crash, but there wasn't 00:38:16.900 --> 00:38:20.539 any noise and there wasn't a fire or flames or 00:38:20.539 --> 00:38:25.460 anything, she said. It was just like someone 00:38:25.460 --> 00:38:28.320 turned a light switch off and it was dark again, 00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:32.760 except there was like a little red blinking light. 00:38:33.230 --> 00:38:36.929 that came from it after it blew up and i just 00:38:36.929 --> 00:38:43.630 watched that until it disappeared so scott's 00:38:43.630 --> 00:38:46.210 mother called several relatives for help including 00:38:46.210 --> 00:38:51.170 her husband and that's around the time she said 00:38:51.170 --> 00:38:54.429 she discovered that her son's eyes were bloodshot 00:38:54.429 --> 00:38:59.769 and there were other people in the area a myrtle 00:38:59.769 --> 00:39:03.389 bull event who saw the object she said She and 00:39:03.389 --> 00:39:06.849 her husband, Fred, watched it for about four 00:39:06.849 --> 00:39:11.550 minutes from the porch of their Orchard Street 00:39:11.550 --> 00:39:16.650 home. And Myrtle said, it looked like a round 00:39:16.650 --> 00:39:20.269 reddish gold ball, almost orange color, and it 00:39:20.269 --> 00:39:23.190 must have been on fire, whatever it was, because 00:39:23.190 --> 00:39:26.449 we could see smoke swirling over the top of it. 00:39:27.030 --> 00:39:30.829 Very interesting description. It may have been 00:39:30.829 --> 00:39:32.809 smoke. It very possibly would have been smoke. 00:39:32.929 --> 00:39:37.969 But sometimes with these UFO sightings, there 00:39:37.969 --> 00:39:41.170 will be sort of a distortion in the air, like 00:39:41.170 --> 00:39:44.309 a distortion of a field around the object. Maybe 00:39:44.309 --> 00:39:45.829 that was what they were seeing. I don't know. 00:39:48.289 --> 00:39:51.909 But she said, but then oddly enough, she said 00:39:51.909 --> 00:39:54.570 she hadn't figured out what it was, but there 00:39:54.570 --> 00:39:58.199 was one possibility that she ruled out. It wasn't 00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:01.000 anything like a flying saucer by any means, she 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:07.480 said. Then another witness named Shirley Durleth 00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:10.500 was sitting in the living room of her home near 00:40:10.500 --> 00:40:14.300 Boyce's Four Corners. When she spotted the object, 00:40:14.420 --> 00:40:17.599 she said it looked like this big orange ball 00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:22.780 hovering in the sky. She watched it until it 00:40:22.780 --> 00:40:27.650 faded away, and she said, And then a little light 00:40:27.650 --> 00:40:30.789 appeared and then moved away and disappeared. 00:40:31.750 --> 00:40:34.809 Now, Mrs. Derleth didn't say what she thought 00:40:34.809 --> 00:40:38.230 it was, but she said, quote, really, it scared 00:40:38.230 --> 00:40:40.510 me half to death because I didn't know what it 00:40:40.510 --> 00:40:47.690 was and I still don't. Another witness, a David 00:40:47.690 --> 00:40:51.789 Kaiser who lived on Route 96, noticed the object 00:40:51.789 --> 00:40:56.519 because he said the houses. in the area were 00:40:56.519 --> 00:41:00.420 all lit up in an orange color. He said it looked 00:41:00.420 --> 00:41:05.639 like a big flare and was really huge. Then there's 00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:09.360 an interesting quote from the journalist who 00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:13.920 wrote the article, Sonny Sampson, who said, most 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:16.579 who spotted the object were reluctant to discuss 00:41:16.579 --> 00:41:19.679 the sighting because they said they feared public 00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:22.420 ridicule. I find that really interesting because 00:41:22.420 --> 00:41:26.769 it's... indicates that there may have been a 00:41:26.769 --> 00:41:31.530 lot more witnesses to this sighting, but were 00:41:31.530 --> 00:41:36.289 unwilling to talk about it publicly. Article 00:41:36.289 --> 00:41:39.070 goes on and says that the area was searched by 00:41:39.070 --> 00:41:42.170 a Seneca County Sheriff's deputy named Robert 00:41:42.170 --> 00:41:47.170 Favreau. When the incident was reported that 00:41:47.170 --> 00:41:50.070 night by Scott Niddle's mother, Beverly Cowan, 00:41:50.150 --> 00:41:57.079 the deputy said nothing was found. But he said, 00:41:57.139 --> 00:42:00.440 quote, I believe they saw something. It's just 00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:04.440 one of those unexplained things. Now, of course, 00:42:04.460 --> 00:42:09.519 at the time, the Seneca Army Depot was active 00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:15.559 and U .S. Coast Guard had the Laurencee Navigational 00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:18.840 Tower, which was a navigational tower that was 00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:25.079 used by the Coast Guard. And this transmitter 00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:32.559 or station was used to guide ships and aircraft 00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:38.599 up to a thousand miles away. So the Laurency 00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:41.159 Navigational Tower, the U .S. Coast Guard personnel 00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:44.119 said they didn't detect any electrical disturbance 00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:50.119 in the area that night. So they asked Robert 00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:52.940 Zemanek, who was the public affairs director. 00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:57.320 at the Seneca Army Depot, and he said there were 00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:01.000 no tests being conducted, and, quote, no one 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:04.619 here saw anything, end quote, which I find hard 00:43:04.619 --> 00:43:09.139 to believe. Then the article goes on and says 00:43:09.139 --> 00:43:12.559 that Bob Barrow, a field investigator with the 00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:16.780 Area Phenomenon Research Organization in Syracuse, 00:43:16.780 --> 00:43:20.280 had looked into hundreds of sightings in the 00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:23.429 central New York area. and said that egg -shaped 00:43:23.429 --> 00:43:26.929 objects were, quote, quite a predominant shape 00:43:26.929 --> 00:43:32.989 in UFO sighting history, end quote. He also said 00:43:32.989 --> 00:43:38.250 that objects with windows, explosions without 00:43:38.250 --> 00:43:41.849 a noise, and bright blinking lights appearing 00:43:41.849 --> 00:43:45.610 after explosions were reported quite frequently, 00:43:45.670 --> 00:43:50.610 and red and orange glows coming from an object. 00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:56.300 are also very common. He also added, interestingly, 00:43:56.579 --> 00:43:59.840 that, quote, in many cases where there seem to 00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:02.139 be bright lights involved, you will find that 00:44:02.139 --> 00:44:05.119 someone will get bloodshot or a burning sensation 00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:08.699 in their eyes. It's almost as if they had been 00:44:08.699 --> 00:44:14.260 affected by ultraviolet light, end quote. He 00:44:14.260 --> 00:44:18.639 also said it's very common in these cases where 00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:21.039 at the scene of the sighting, There's not a trace 00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:25.139 of debris or any evidence like that. And the 00:44:25.139 --> 00:44:29.659 article concludes with Bob Barrow saying, quote, 00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:34.280 it's just bizarre. The whole phenomenon is bizarre, 00:44:34.539 --> 00:44:40.260 end quote. So, yeah, that's a remarkable story 00:44:40.260 --> 00:44:46.500 that took place 40 years ago, over 40 years ago 00:44:46.500 --> 00:44:50.730 now, over Ovid. Anybody out there remember this? 00:44:50.750 --> 00:44:57.949 Anyone see this UFO in 1980 over Ovid? Anything 00:44:57.949 --> 00:45:02.289 to add to this? Let me know. Let me know in the 00:45:02.289 --> 00:45:05.269 comments. Shoot me an email. Podcast at SenecaLakeMysteries 00:45:05.269 --> 00:45:13.269 .com or leave a voicemail 607 -307 -1167. I'd 00:45:13.269 --> 00:45:18.219 love to hear from you. Whether it's this. particular 00:45:18.219 --> 00:45:21.139 incident or any sightings that you've had yourself. 00:45:21.380 --> 00:45:25.820 I know for a fact there have been numerous sightings 00:45:25.820 --> 00:45:30.760 on this side of the lake in the vicinity of Seneca 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:35.880 Army Depot and of course these sightings continue 00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:40.699 to this day. I also see a similarity between 00:45:40.699 --> 00:45:48.820 the story that I told in episode 11, the Burnt 00:45:48.820 --> 00:45:52.860 Hill UFO chase, although the object was described 00:45:52.860 --> 00:45:55.559 quite differently. It wasn't egg -shaped, and 00:45:55.559 --> 00:46:00.519 it didn't have windows, but it was a bright orange 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:08.940 object in that Burnt Hill UFO chase. Well, that's 00:46:08.940 --> 00:46:11.239 it for this time around. I hope you enjoyed it. 00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:12.840 Thanks so much for listening, and if you have 00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:15.429 any thoughts on... Any of the topics in this 00:46:15.429 --> 00:46:17.929 episode, please let me know. 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