Hey everybody, welcome to Seneca Lake Mysteries,
the podcast where we explore the unusual, strange,
and unexplained on New York's largest finger
lake. Now for this episode, I had the opportunity
to speak with a very special guest, and we get
into some really thought -provoking, mind -bending,
mystical stuff. But first, I have a couple other
things I wanted to share with you guys. I'm recording
this right now on July 6th, and earlier today...
I had quite an adventure up on Connecticut Hill
near the hamlet of Alpine, which is about seven
to eight miles south of Watkins Glen. Now, the
location is sometimes called the Alpine Portal
because of the large number of reports of paranormal
activity there, from ghosts to disembodied voices
to orbs and UFOs to electronic or vehicle failures
and even... some Bigfoot reports. Now I hadn't
planned to discuss Connecticut Hill on this podcast
initially due to it being a little bit further
away from the lake and the area that I've been
concentrating on but due to the frequent requests
I'm getting from you all telling me to check
it out and the fact that it is connected to Seneca
Lake via the watershed. I decided to keep it
on my radar and to do an episode on the Alpine
Portal in the near future. Now, I don't want
to give away the whole story of my visit to Connecticut
Hill today, but I'll give you a little preview.
So a few weeks back, I was contacted by a guy
named Rick who lives in Alpine and heard episodes
five and six of the podcast. which prompted him
to email me. He's been hunting on Connecticut
Hill for years and has a pretty intimate knowledge
of the terrain in that area. He told me that
he found something very intriguing and mysterious
in the middle of the woods in an area that's
somewhat difficult to traverse and a good distance
from the established paths of the Finger Lakes
Trail system. So Rick offered to bring me there
and I immediately accepted. So I headed down
to Alpine this morning, met up with Rick. We
made our way into the woods. And again, you'll
hear the full story in a future episode. But
I will say that what we found was far more intriguing
and mysterious than I had hoped for. Totally
unexpected. Rick also filled me in on some other
stories about the place that were pretty crazy
too. So that's all I'm going to say for now.
And I can't wait to tell you guys the whole story.
Now, also, before we get to the guest, I wanted
to give a shout out to a local business called
Total Recall. Now, Total Recall is at 40 Castle
Street in Geneva. And the owner, Cassie, has
been a huge supporter of the podcast even before
it was launched. You can find Seneca Lake Monster
stickers in the store from Seneca Lake Mysteries,
along with some small promotional cards for the
podcast that she's been... handing out to everyone
who comes in maybe whether they want it or not
i'm not sure but she's uh she's out there championing
the podcast and i really appreciate it now the
the shop itself the it's really cool front door
entrance has the following on the window it reads
geneva society for cryptid sightings and hauntings
now it's not an actual This isn't an actual organization,
at least not yet. But when you walk in, you'll
enter what was designed to look like a paranormal
office frozen in time. Now, I don't want to spoil
too much, but the Seneca Lake Monster absolutely
has a presence in that space. But it gets even
a little weirder when you see the bookcase on
the back wall actually slides to reveal the rest
of the shop. And once you go into the shop, there's
a huge variety of... nostalgic and vintage quirky
weird items from clothing to toys and beyond
in the front part of the shop it'll take a while
to see everything and once you're done there
you head back to the jungle room which is a hangout
area with wild offbeat art and a jungle theme
to it and if you keep moving you'll enter an
old school arcade with pinball and video games
and you can play on unlimited games for one price
Then next up, you go through another door and
there's a board game room where you can dig into
the huge collection of board games they have
on the shelves there. And even the bathroom in
this place was painstakingly decorated. No spoilers
again, but you even got to see the bathroom when
you get in there. So again, Total Recall is at
40 Castle Street in Geneva. And you can find
them on Instagram at TotalRecall315. So if you're
in Geneva, or you need a reason to go to Geneva,
make sure to stop in, look around at Total Recall
and tell Cassie and or Josh that I sent you.
And finally, let me introduce my guest. A few
weeks back after Soraya and I had talked about
ley lines and earth energies on episode six of
the podcast, I wanted to... refresh my memory
on the topic about 25 years ago i had a strong
interest in geomancy or earth magic but hadn't
really studied it in in years since then now
earth magic is described as the art of understanding
interpreting and harnessing the earth's energy
for transformation healing and spiritual growth
including the use of maps to identify geographic
features and patterns to gain insights into our
connection to the planet. So I was looking for
info and I came across a website of a guy named
Dan Shaw, who is also known as the Vortex Detective.
So I spent some time reviewing the massive amount
of information on the site and I decided to buy
a couple of Dan's e -books. So he replied, he
sent me the e -books, plus... I don't know if
he wants me to tell you this, but plus other
e -books that he's written on the topic and then
generously offered to be a guest on the podcast.
So, of course, I said yes, not only because I
wanted to reacquaint myself with the mystical
practice of visionary map reading, but I was
also curious to hear Dan's take on how Seneca
Lake fits into this art or practice. I just mentioned
Dan's generosity, and I know I mentioned it during
our conversation that you'll hear in a second
here as well. But I'll say again that from all
my interactions with him, he's been incredibly
kind, positive, and willing to share everything
he's learned over the last nearly 40 years with
the art of earth magic. So when he says he responds
to every phone call and email, he means it. Geomancy
is something that can be learned by anyone. with
an understanding of some of the basic principles
and it's quite obvious that dan is not motivated
by profit like some people who specialize in
esoteric or mystical practices now if you want
dan to do the work and create a custom map for
your area something that'll take him time to
research and prepare there'd be a fee but if
you're looking for everything you really everything
you need to know to start exploring earth magic
and geomancy on your own it's all there for free
on his website now the website is vortexmaps
.com so if you want that information it's right
there to look for it and yeah if you have any
any questions about the subject just ask dan
I'll give you a quick summary of Dan's credits
as well. Dan Shaw has been a student of alchemy
since 1986 and began working with the science
behind earth magic, geomancy, in 1991. He researches,
appears on national media, authors books, leads
tours, and does work for private clients. His
TV and film appearances include Brad Meltzer's
Decoded, Devil's Triangle, Alaska, on the History
Channel. Mysteries of the National Parks Yosemite
on the Travel Channel and the documentary Ancient
Tomorrow. Dan also consults for TV shows, including
NBC's The Blacklist. So thanks again for listening.
And now let's get into the conversation with
the Vortex detective, Dan Shaw. All right, everyone,
I'm here with. the vortex detective, Dan Shaw.
This is, uh, we've exchanged some emails, but
we, this is the first time we're actually talking
to each other. So I'll be getting to know Dan
and his work along with all of you. Um, Dan,
thanks so much for doing the show and welcome
to, uh, Seneca Lake mysteries. Thank you very
much. Thank you. All right. So, um, so let's,
let's go way back as, as far back as you want
to go. geomancy earth magic um so i i want to
know your your origin story like how did you
first become interested in these subjects um
and and how did this become your life's work
sure but you said we only had 40 minutes to an
hour uh in brief in brief i was invited to be
part of a group in austin texas in about 1986
and that group was guided in part in large part
by a channel descended master and so i was studying
ascension back in 1986 and 1987 in austin texas
and so some four years later or so 1990, I got
introduced to a map showing the Grand Tetons
as the center of this circle, vast circle of
19 mountains and bodies of water, one of which
included Mount Shasta. And I was in Mount Shasta
at the time, and another point on that circle,
Lake Tahoe. So you could pull out a map at the
right size there and draw. that circle yourself
knowing that put a compass of the type for drawing
circles at the center of at the grand tetons
and you can see that each one of those mountains
and bodies of water forms a nearly perfect circle
in nineteen points each one largest mountain
body of water in its region and i saw that as
the landscape itself, but also the map as a powerful
alchemical tool. And it happened that Dorothy
Leon was the person who had created this map.
She'd included it in a book where she'd written
it under a pen name. I didn't know her by that
name, but through just a miraculous turn of events,
somebody recommended Dorothy to me after I'd
been on a pilgrimage based on her map. She contacted
me and asked me to publish a book she was writing.
I was not prepared to do that, but I asked if
I could publish her map. And so I was off publishing
not just Dorothy's wheel with 19 spokes around
the Grand Tetons, but also another map which
is of some renown, which is called the Becker
-Hagens, or the Earth Star Globe, and that shows
the so -called Earth Grid. That one's been around
since the 80s and has been featured in a lot
of books, and people are pretty well familiar
with that, and I had the good fortune of being
able to publish that at about the same time,
the early 90s, I reprinted. And so I was off
and running in my study of geomancy, earth magic.
Okay. Yeah, that's, it prompts memories that
I have when I first started learning about the
subject. I don't have as specific a memory, but
I remember seeing maps and seeing, you know,
geometric patterns overlaid on. maps of the earth
and how they how they fit i was like what how
what what does this even mean like how is this
this can't be this can't be just a coincidence
and this can't be just wishful thinking um yeah
it's it's uh I'm just so excited. I got so many
questions for you. Well, you just jumped right
to the very end, which is what is the meaning?
Right. Wait till I tell you about your location
there and how that just fits onto the planetary
grid so beautifully. I mean, let's put off what
does it mean for just a second. Okay. And let's
say this. Everything in creation seems to have
a geometry to it, and some visionaries can recognize
that geometry at the scale of the entire planet.
It does appear that at the geometric points,
the points which form the... so -called platonic
solids, the geometric solids, the icosahedron,
dodecahedron, tetrahedron, octahedron, the cube,
that these platonic solids, when you inscribe
them in the earth, that the geometric points
turn out to have certain geologic significance
or they're marked with ancient monuments, ancient
prehistoric civilizations. And so there's this
bizarre geometry that occurs on a planetary scale,
and it's, I mean, it's bizarre, but it's natural.
And we see it in the location of the Hawaiian
Islands, that right at the 19 .47, which is the
point where a tetrahedron would, a point would,
touch the surface of the globe in an ideal model
so we can inscribe these geometries into the
earth and it turns out to be a fantastically
useful model and it goes back to this author
named ivan sanderson and through some russian
researchers and then popularized by Bill Becker
and Beth Hagans, and they published this world
map that folds up into a globe and shows this
geometry of the icosahedron, the dodecahedron.
So that's kind of the best -known model. Those
two geometric shapes are dual solids. They nest
inside each other. One has faces where the other
has points. So the icosahedron there, it's got
those triangular sides, and the dodecahedron,
it's got... uh the pentagonal sides and these
just nest perfectly and turns out your location
there there's this line that's going straight
through between seneca lake and cayuga lake if
i've got that right and it's uh it's just right
dead i mean it is on that line it's within miles
of this global grid line and when i say within
miles these these global patterns. When we're
talking about lines, we're not talking about
like a pencil thin line on a map. We're talking
about this undulating spiral, perhaps, of energy.
The geometric lines, it's a good model. It's
useful, and it's very useful, but you want to
think of these lines these edges of these geometric
solids as like living conscious divine things
and they're expanding and contracting and responding
to our presence and so your location there bam
it's it's just right on one of these global grid
lines so as i look at just take a i just found
out about you a few days ago and so I didn't
have a lot of time to look at your location there,
but bam, there it is, right on that global grid
line. Now, this segment of line that we're talking
about, it's 2 ,200 miles long. And I'm looking
at your location, I'm thinking, by God, that's
just like exactly halfway between the two global
grid points. And I go and measure it out in Google
Earth, and sure enough, it's 1 ,100 miles in
either direction. And as I mentioned, there's
these, so you're like smack the center there,
like you could say at a harmonic node, right
between the, on that line that passes between
the two finger lakes there. And then, then furthermore,
there's these other geometric solids that nest
inside as well. The cube, there's a number of
ways of nesting the cube inside of the sphere,
the earth. And, So some of those cube lines,
turns out, those cross at that precise point
there. And then there's the icosahedron. And
that one, there's three ways you can nest that
one. And those lines cross right there as well.
So you get this, like, what do I want to say,
sunburst of energy lines coming out right between
those two finger legs. Oh, wow. Okay, yeah, that's
good stuff. I thought we were going to get to
that at the end, but we're getting to it soon
enough. Let me see here. So when you talk about
these different, so there's different grids that
have been mapped that people have created. you
know, ley line maps or whatever you want to call
them around the world. Many, many of them. Yes.
So, so is, is it a, I'm just curious about how
so many different people and there's so many
different people who've, who've looked at the
same maps and they, and they come up with these,
you know, different, these different beautiful.
geometries and designs and patterns. How does
that work? Well, a couple of different levels
for sure. And one is that, as I said, everything
in creation has a geometry to it. Shape has energy
and energy has shape. You've heard of pyramid
power. Yeah. So shape has energy. And there's
also a wonderful book called Shape Power. But
energy also has shape. So we're recognizing this
at this planetary scale. And we're saying, OK,
well, there's this. We can recognize these what
we'll call vortex markers at these certain geometric
points around the globe, the Bermuda Triangle
and et cetera. And Seneca. Lake, apparently.
And so I don't pretend to understand everything
about vortexes. I can't shake the mystery out
of it, so to speak. But I take a very geophysical
approach to the subject. And so I start with
what I think of as being the Occam's razor, the
simplest explanation, which is the electromagnetism.
And so I take a very geophysical approach. And
other researchers will all approach the field
from... different angles but i like to think
that what i'm doing is the science behind earth
magic so it does turn out that electromagnetism
is a very rich field to mine for clues to how
places might affect us and i'm i'm in the field
because i'm interested in the alchemy and the
personal and planetary ascension and using these
earth energies as a way of transforming ourselves
our consciousness and our physiology so the idea
is that there's no separation between ourselves
and this energy ocean in which we swim and as
we move through it and and through time through
the cycles of time that we're awash in these
electromagnetic energies for better for worse
but that we can be aware of them and we can maybe
mitigate certain negative natural and man -made
energies and then we can take advantage of those
things as well for our own physical healing,
our psychic opening, and for harmonizing the
planet. So now we've jumped to the end and what
it's meaning. And it's hopefully to understand
how the universe is put together so that we can
actually use it to our benefit, so we can use
it towards our ascension and our perfection.
And so there's this connection, I believe. i
can i believe i think i can support the premise
that the places make us feel things on a physical
level and on an energetic level and there are
places that contribute to and enhance our paranormal
abilities and our paranormal experiences might
cluster around these areas and that's your whole
your whole premise there. So I think I would
a hundred percent support your, your thesis there
that there's something about your place and it's
maybe, maybe it's 80 % electromagnetic or maybe
it's 20 % electromagnetic because there's all
these other elements of, you know, all the way
down the spectrum of energies or up the spectrum
of energies to consciousness and intention and
magic. Right. Yep. Um, and yeah, just to, um,
To step back a little bit, you mentioned the
word vortex. Now, the word vortex in popular
culture conjures images of a portal to another
dimension or a place where paranormal events
are common. Can you take us through the basics
of what a vortex is? Sure. Well, I use the term
in a pretty particular way. We've talked about
these global energy patterns, and you know that
there's almost an infinite number of different
energy patterns, as many as there are researchers,
more certainly. And so that where we on the global
scale, we're picturing these rings of energy
like equators, great circles of energy that.
wrap the earth like violin strings, like a ball
of twine that are vibrating at a certain frequency,
and those interact and create different types
of energies. And so, just in kind of loose parlance,
you'd say that a vortex is where these energy
lines cross. What happens when you drop two pebbles
in a pond and there's these expanding ripples
is that where those ripples interact, there's
a kind of an interference. And there's actually
two kinds of interference. There's constructive
and destructive interference where these energies
come together. And so that gives you actually
three different kinds of patterns there. You
get the null zone, the zero, and then you get
the positive. number and the negative number
depending on how those waves are interacting
so that's uh the acoustic model turns out to
be a really useful model for understanding how
the energies of place may be affecting us there's
acoustic energy certainly and there's seismic
energies earthquake energies and such and then
there's the electrical energies in the atmosphere
and according to our elevation so from my standpoint
i'm just looking at every possible contributor
to the electromagnetic field in which we swim
and also all those other elements that could
potentially contribute to what we've described
as you know supporting paranormal experience
okay yeah um it's all very mind -bending stuff
um so uh so these these places well first So
vortexes in, you know, in your, from, from your
standpoint, are there, you know, I would imagine
that there are different types of them. There
are different levels. Like there might be one
place that's, that has, you know, a certain level
of energies and then other places where it's,
where it's much more powerful. is is that is
that accurate sure there's many different nuances
in the kinds of energies that you're going to
experience as you move around mostly the surface
but also you might go into a cave or you know
chasm or something like that so as you as you're
moving around You're swimming in this sea, this
churning sea of electromagnetism. Again, to kind
of oversimplify, you're exposing yourself. Your
cells are all operating on these very minute
electrical differentials and such. So you're
exposing your physiology and your consciousness
to these different energies, both as you move
around and over these. time cycles and there's
every reason to believe that humans actually
do have the potential for magnetic sense because
we've got magnetite in our brain every cell of
our brain in our large a larger concentration
in our sinuses so like other species we could
potentially have this magnetic sense and not
just be like oh that's north but actually be
subtly and profoundly influenced by these these
energies all around us so the premise then is
that at certain points maybe it's geometric points
again oversimplifying, but at certain points
that we are sensitive, we feel these energies,
whether it's a summit or whether it's maybe an
alignment of points or a point in a geometric
pattern maybe an equilateral triangle or something
we we may have an experience and it may be uh
chills you know or the hair standing up on the
back of your neck or you may experience like
a little electrical charge or change in temperature
i think it's different for everyone but we can
become more aware that these energies may be
coming from the place itself it may be some spirit
or ghost or some other source but one plausible
explanation is that we're actually feeling an
energy from the place and so we can attune ourselves
to that and through dowsing and other means learn
to be more sensitive to these energies and then
to manipulate them and that might be like through
feng shui type of work or it might be through
more like building monuments and placing stones
and that kind of thing sure um and and yeah and
in these places i mean i'm curious about um in
a in a lot of these places you'll find you know
whether it's you know pyramids or stone piles
and everything in between you'll find ancient
uh remnants of of civilizations and people who
seem to want to mark very important places on
the earth. But also, you'll often see, I mean,
Washington, D .C. is the perfect example. I mean,
that's just one giant. um, occult complex. I
mean, with the founding fathers of our country,
we're very, we're very, very, might even say
obsessed with, with, um, with these, these, these
energies and, and, and sacred geometry and all
of this. Um, do you, do you, do you think that
are the, you know, so let's say there's a, there's
a place and there's a old church that was built
there. Are the, were these, do you think these
places were built By people who understood, who
really had a deep understanding of of these energies
and how they interact and what they how they
affect us. And they chose to put these places
in these put these structures in these places.
Or is it or is it also maybe a subconscious thing
where they just kind of felt like, oh, this is
this is the place to put this. I think you have
to see to the proposition that there's these
highly advanced ancient civilizations and that
they were advanced not only technologically,
but also in these, you might call today, what
we think of as esoteric arts and the geomancy
or the earth magic that the masons are using
and their placement of monuments and the proportions
and angles and all these things. you have to
it's demonstrable by the ancient monuments that
they were well aware of all these things and
the speed of light and the function of the pi
ratio and all these things are embedded in these
ancient monuments so I think that argument has
already been decided So the idea is that these
ancient monuments, not only were they placed
at energetic locations, but they were built with
energetic materials and built with an energetic
geometry and built with ceremony. And that they
were built to manipulate, at least manipulate
the energies of the place, if not also the energies
of the people and consciousness around them.
So hopefully for better, but for better or worse.
Sure, sure. Which kind of reminds me of when
you're talking about for worse, there's a place
here in between Seneca Lake and Cayuga Lake,
formerly known as the Seneca Army Depot. And
that was built. The building was completed like
weeks before World War II began. World War II
was on the horizon, so it was decided that there
needed to be these weapons storage facilities
in the four corners of the continental U .S.
And in this corner, it ended up being right there
between Seneca Lake and Cayuga Lake. There were
150 farm families that were displaced. The government
found this area, 11 ,000 acres, and it was perfect
for their needs because there were two railroad
lines running through the area. But also they
chose it because there was stale bedrock underneath
the ground. In some places, you know, within
eight inches of... of the surface of the topsoil
and they when they put in these big concrete
igloos to store the weapons the the idea was
if there were accidental explosions of these
weapons they would they would the the bedrock
underneath would prevent the uh would prevent
the would would make the explosion go straight
up rather than side to side and explode more
of the of the weapons but i've always so that
the seneca army depot ended up from it was open
right before world war ii it closed right after
the first gulf war it supplied they supplied
weapons for every single u .s military action
around the world for all of those decades Um,
it was, they had one of the, one of the main
nuclear weapons storage facilities was also built
there in the late fifties. Um, so it was, it
was a place, I mean, for the people who live
around here, it, it's, it can be a little complicated
as far as people's feelings about it because
it was a big part of the community. a lot of
people worked there the non -commissioned officers
and and you know civilian employees it was huge
for the local economy and it was an important
part of people's lives at the same time this
is you know it was this this factory for you
know war and and destruction and and suffering
around the world for for decades and some people
say that maybe the majority of the weapons and
supplies whether it's vehicles uniforms everything
came through seneca army depot and now it's of
course closed um but it also has a a population
of white deer in 1949 uh an officer on on the
property saw these a male and a female pure white
fur Whitetail deer and the commanding officer
told everyone that no one was allowed to kill
these deer. So this population of these beautiful
white deer ended up living within this fenced
in area during the time the Army Depot was in
use. And then after it closed, they still are
there. private entities who have a museum there.
So it's a museum to the army Depot, but it's
also, they also have white deer tours. You can
go there and see the white deer. And yeah, so
it's a, it's a really unique place with a, with
a remarkable history. And I'm curious what you
think about like this is this, I mean, I see
this as an example of Whether consciously or
subconsciously, this location being chosen and
maybe the energy of this area being manipulated
and used in a way that was ultimately very destructive.
Well, definitely researchers have made the argument
that parts of the Earth grid have been militarized.
You see a lot of correspondence between nuclear
materials, government installations and grid
points. And another what I would call a vortex
marker is unusual plant and animal species. So
there's this there's this flow chart that goes
from where you have unique or rather where you
have ore and mineral deposits. That will affect
the electromagnetic field. You'll have unique
soil types, and that will lead to unique plant
and animal species. So you often find at these
energetic points that the landscape is lush,
the landscape has been preserved as some kind
of a park, or sometimes that there's military
government bases. nuclear materials storage and
processing and such so and there's an author
named Bruce Cathy who's a New Zealand pilot who
wrote a number of books on this thesis that there's
an intimate and essential relationship between
an earth grid of his uh, the, and nuclear materials
and nuclear detonation. So, so I'm not the first
person to suggest that connection. Sure. Yep.
Yeah. And, uh, yeah, like I mentioned the it's,
it's now called deer Haven park and it's, it
is also, I mean, to me, it's a, it's a, it's
kind of a beautiful transition is that now it's,
it is, it's a wildlife preserve, you know, they're,
they're doing a lot. There's still areas that
are, that are contaminated um from from the depot
being there for so long they also had live ammunition
uh training areas there uh but it's it's uh it's
it's a it's a really beautiful and interesting
turnaround to to where what this place is today
and also i mean also there is something very
very uh uh uh primal i don't know how to say
it when you see one of these deer, I mean, they're,
it's not like a zoo, you know, they, they take
you for tours through there and you might see
one, you might not. But when you, you see one
of these, one of these deer, even though they're,
you know, they're captive, even though it's not
a, even though you kind of expect that you're
going to see them, at least for me, every time
I see him, I kind of have to catch my breath.
It's just something, something so gorgeous, um,
about these. It's, uh, and then of course, you
know, there's, there's so many, so many, uh,
traditions and stories and folklore around the
world, spiritual traditions for all different
kinds of people and through time who have white
deer as a sacred animal or a sacred symbol. Yeah,
sure. The plants and the animals are sensitive
to parts of the electromagnetic spectrum that
we cannot perceive. watching the plants and animals
is a great way to actually observe the earth
energies and the unseen energies and we often
find again not just unique plant animal species
but that the plants are growing in particularly
sometimes lush and sometimes unusual ways so
you might find trees that are spiraling in strange
ways or they're they're branching out more nodes
than they usually do or It could be animals building
nests in unusual ways. And you can actually see
the game trails on the ground following the energy
lines. Oh, right, right. Yeah, so what was I
going to say? Oh, so let's go. Well, actually,
before we go back to that, did you happen to
see the. And this is, I don't know how this is
connected, but did you happen to see the photo
I posted on my website of these indentations
that were found in the bottom of Seneca Lake?
I did see those. I didn't know what to make of
them at all. That was going to be my questions.
What do you make of those? Because the researchers
have no idea. It's really fascinating to me that
there's so many of them, and many of them look
almost perfectly round. One of my listeners suggested
maybe they were plunge pools. Maybe at one time
there were waterfalls, like multiple waterfalls
falling into the area and created a bunch of
plunge pools. But I don't know. I know that you
have at least some background in... I have a
degree in geography, so a little background in
geology and just not nearly enough time to look
at the Seneca Lakes. But from my standpoint,
from how energies vary from place to place, anywhere
where you've had glaciation is going to present
all kinds of interesting energetic features.
So the Finger Lakes themselves, as you... as
you traverse let's say you get on a boat and
you go across the lake and you know you have
a sense of how that feels in your body when you
get out on that lake and you you know it's just
like everything changes when you're out on that
body of water and how much of that is attributable
to just the pure electromagnetic field of being
out on the water uh i don't know you be the judge
uh you know we're all sensitive in different
ways but uh then you've got uh the glaciers have
basically scoured to bedrock as you said a little
bit earlier and you can actually get maps of
depth to bedrock and from my standpoint that's
always pretty interesting sometimes that bedrock
is actually got electrical currents going through
it they may have piezoelectric quartz a quartz
crystal is piezoelectric so you may have and
when soil is wet and has minerals in it metals
you've got electrical currents electrical conductivity
and resistivity in the soil and then you're in
a certain proximity to it you may be in the second
story of a building you may be wearing insulative
soles on your shoes or you may be in direct contact
with the electromagnetism of bedrock and uh you
know into a certain sense it's like quartz crystal
in a certain sense it's like vibrating at a certain
frequency it's carrying like seismic waves or
whatever it might be so that proximity to bedrock
is always pretty interesting to me as well and
then you've got all the changes in elevation
you've got the features that are left behind
as the glacier you know glacier is going to be
carrying material it's going to be doing the
scouring you know the uh the you've got those
waterfalls and the the the elevational differences
and all the electrical changes that come with
that so you know you've got a really uh rich
rich place and each of those different kinds
of places are going to stimulate i would say
different parts of your energy body different
chakras let's say and waterfalls in particular
a real rich place full of frequencies and and
you can change your positioning and orientation
to the sound and get different kinds of fundamental
notes in the sound and different frequencies
in each ear. So that's a beautiful thing. So
you could hypothetically now create an itinerary
where you travel around your location to different
kinds of places, points, promontories, summits,
to activate all your chakras. Okay. Hmm. And
that, um, yeah, I mean, I've, I've been traveling
out to different spots all around the lake for
years. Um, but never with any real purpose like
that, like any, there was no real gold, except
I want to see what this feels like. I want to
go here and, and, you know, just enjoy the space.
Um, and also just, just to go back a little bit,
that area where all those, uh, where all those
pockmarks are in the bottom of the lake. That's
in the southern third of the lake, which is an
area on the eastern shore of the lake is known
as the Banana Belt. Now, Seneca Lake itself has
a microclimate around it. Um, due to the, due
to the, to the warmth of the water, it never
freezes. It's the lake is frozen over, I think
three or four times ever in history. Um, it's
always, it's always moving very dynamic under
underwater, uh, movement all the time. Uh, it
stays, I think at a steady 36 degrees year round.
Uh, so there's a microclimate around the lake,
which makes it a, you know, a world -class. area
for for growing grapes and there's all kinds
of wineries here but the banana belt is it has
a little bit extra it's because of its location
um and because it's it's on the eastern side
of the lake so the so the when the sun is setting
when it's coming down in the western sky when
it when it hits that shore on the east lower
part of the lake it'll raise the temperature
in that area five to ten degrees which is which
is really uh it's almost like i mean you're you
can experience different weather depending on
where you are around seneca lake i also just
found it interesting that you know this banana
belt area there's also a lot of um you know,
weird stories, UFO sightings, orb sightings.
Seneca Lake also has tons and tons of orb sightings.
I could probably do a whole website and a book
just on the orb sightings in this area alone.
Yeah, yeah. But, you know, this microclimate
also can kind of, you know, put you in a different
sort of state of mind as well. Well, it does.
If you think all the way through, all the contributors
to the electromagnetic field that we're experiencing,
that we're immersed in, there's electrical ions
in the air. And around those waterfalls, you're
going to find an abundance of the negatively
charged ions, which make you feel better. And
in some places, you'll experience more preponderance
of these positively charged ions in the air.
And there's research to show that that definitely
contributes to people's ill health. So these
subtle elements in our environment, whether they're
electromagnetic or something else, these are
subtly and profoundly influencing us. So as we
move around our environment, we can be more aware,
more conscious, more intentional. We can use
these elements in our ceremonies. And we can
use these places as places where we're intentionally
perhaps practicing our psychic abilities. Right,
right. Yeah, so to go back to what you were talking
about, the... This energy line that runs between
the two lakes. Can you go into a little bit more
detail on that? What are the other places? Is
this line connected to other places? Well, sure.
It goes down to the Bermuda Triangle and up to...
the native territory up there. And what I'd like
to do is to invite your listeners to send me
an email. My email address, I will answer every
email. When your listeners will email me at energy,
E -N -E -R -G -Y at vortexmaps .com. energy at
vortexmaps .com. I'll send them a free e -book
and I'll include some of these maps that we've
describing so that you can get a better sense
of how those platonic solids inscribe into the
Earth. And when you go to vortexmaps .com, you
can see that Earth star globe and the Earth star
North America I've been describing. And if you
can picture... the Earth like a soccer ball sewn
from these geometric patterns. You do find that
the deep sea trenches tend to correspond with
this geometry. The coastlines of continents tend
to correspond with this global geometry. But
that's not the only system of energy lines, those
global lines. There are many more local type
patterns of energy, which you may be able to
recognize just in your own landscape. You've
done a fair amount of mapping, and if you use
your maps as a kind of a mandala, as a geometric
pattern to meditate on, to gaze at, you may be
even able to remote view into your map. That's
one way of using your map as an alchemical tool.
Some people are learning to douse their maps,
dousing maps as though they were on the landscape
itself. And that's another alchemical, magical
way you can use maps. Yeah, okay. Yeah, just
a couple of things. Yeah, I encourage all my
listeners to go to vortexmaps .com. What really
struck me, Dan, when I went to the... when I
went to your website is you have your phone number
on there and you're just inviting everyone in
the world. Like call me, give me a call, ask
me any questions. You're very, very forthcoming
and, and so, and so enthusiastic about, about,
uh, about sharing what you know. And, um, yeah,
that was, it's, it's, it's very refreshing. You
weren't asking there, you know, there's, you
know, you're. you know, you've got some mercantile
interest. You've got a few books for sale, but
there's no, it's just, Hey, you got any questions?
Give me a call. And I, I find that, uh, I find
that really, um, really refreshing and inspiring.
Absolutely. Same offer for, for your listeners
there. If go to vortex maps .com, my phone numbers
at the top, give me a call. I will, I'll respond
to all calls. So, uh, there's nothing I'd rather
do than talk about these, uh, the science behind
earth magic let's say and just to give my elevator
pitch if you'll allow me absolutely i like to
say there's an infinite amount of energy available
everywhere all the time for our physical healing
for our psychic opening and for harmonizing the
planet okay yep i Um, I love that. Um, and just
so my listeners know as well, I, I did, I sent
you a link to a, to a Google map that I've been
putting together for, for the past few years
that that's actually a sort of an edited one.
I have one with, with many more, uh, many more
piece of information, but it's basically, I took
the Seneca Lake area and I've put points and,
and mapped out where there were UFO sightings
and, uh, you know, some of the, the higher peaks
and all the waterfalls and. all of these, uh,
uh, special or unique points and spots around
the lake that I've, that I've learned about over
the past, you know, five, 10 years. And, um,
um, I'm going to, uh, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
make sure that I keep revisiting this map and,
and, um, and, and seeing what, and meditating
on it and seeing what, uh, what comes out because
I've, I've just had this all through this process
of. you know, gathering the stories to, to putting
up the website. There's always this, this motivation
underneath it all where I'm, I want to know why
I want to know what it means and if it means
something, because I'm past the point of, of,
of considering whether this is a place where
very unusual or unexplained or paranormal or
whatever you want to call it. it's a very special
place and it has, I know that it's, it's different
than anywhere else in the world. And it has these,
um, special properties. And, um, I love the idea
of, of just, just trying to try to, uh, put the
pieces of the puzzle together and, and, and seeing
how it, um, how it can, uh, can, I guess. enhance
my life enhance other people's lives and make
uh and just even from the just basic standpoint
of of people who live around here just having
a more more of an appreciation and a different
type of appreciation for where they are and where
they live because um you know you talk about
us we're always surrounded by and and and swimming
in these energies and there, these energies are
even part of us and it's so easy to go through
life and not, and not stop for a moment and,
and, uh, and wonder about that and realize that
there's so much more going on than what's right
in front of our eyes. And, um, and yeah, can
you, um, you, you mentioned a little bit about,
you know, visiting sites and activating your
chakras. Um, Is there any more you can, you can
sort of recommend or suggest or talk about, you
know, ways to acknowledge and celebrate and,
and, and these, these places, this, these energies
and how that might, how that can heal us. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, many of us are going. to visit these
places because of their natural beauty and we're
going there with joy and we're going there and
we're being restored and we may not be going
about it in this same kind of self -conscious
way as i am about oh okay there's these subtle
energies here but people on some level consciously
or unconsciously they're we're drawn to these
energetic places and we can go there even more
in the spirit of pilgrimage we are preparing
to go we're being mindful uh we're maybe choosing
certain austerities. We're going to give up sugar
in the days leading up or give up alcohol or
whatever might be austerities in preparation
for the journey. We're deciding what to leave
behind, what to take with us as we go. There's
hardships along the way of any pilgrimage. We
come to certain thresholds. Often the inner sanctum
is beyond a third threshold. So we're going to
recognize and acknowledge thresholds along the
way. We're going to recognize that we're on sacred
ground. We might take off our shoes if that's
appropriate. We're going to... Leave no trace.
Maybe bring a garbage sack and take some trash
out with us. If we can, we're going to be there
in joy and gratitude and just as present as we
can be. Maybe conduct some kind of ceremony.
Maybe leave some kind of an offering that might
be a flower or some seeds, something of that
nature, something that's not going to impose
on the place. And we may... sanctify the place,
there's an energy of the place itself, and then
there's an overlay of consciousness very often.
And the places that we're talking about, these
energetic places, they're often what I like to
call islands of infinity. There's very little
human consciousness overlay there. The veil between
worlds is thin, and there's this experience that
It's totally connected to every other place.
That you're not separate from the place. That
you're breathing the air of the place. That you're
maybe drinking some water from the place or eating
some wild food. If it's in abundance, you're
taking something of that place. with you when
you go energetically and you're returning home
and you're bringing home the boon the gift of
having visited that place and then finally that
you don't have to go to some exotic place that
that same possibility and infinite energy is
available to you right where you are all the
time all right well i think that's a Good place
to wrap up here. Dan, thank you so much for offering
to be on the podcast, for being on the podcast,
for sharing all your knowledge and your wisdom.
And this is great. I'm going to be thinking about
this for a while. And why don't you, if you can,
just remind my listeners one more time where
they can find you and all that. Sure. Well, thank
you very much for the opportunity. Again, there's
nothing else I'd rather do than talk about the
science behind Earth magic. And people can reach
me through my website, which is vortexmaps .com,
and I will answer every inquiry. So thank you
very much. Thanks for what you're doing. You're
very welcome. Thank you. Well, that's it for
this time around. I hope you enjoyed it. Thanks
so much for listening. And if you have any thoughts
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