Hey folks, welcome to Seneca Lake Mysteries,
the podcast where we explore the unusual, strange,
and unexplained on New York's largest finger
lake. First, I want to thank everyone for listening,
subscribing, commenting, all the feedback, all
the supportive words. I'm truly thankful for
all of you. I started this podcast, I wasn't
sure if a lot of people would dig it, and it
turns out... A lot of people do dig it. So thanks
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And I'll keep digging up more cool stories and
talking about them. So before I get into part
two of my conversation with Soraya at Willard
Asylum Cemetery, I want to go back to the last
episode. Soraya and I were discussing how the
walking tours had been done on the Willard campus
for a few years. how the final walking tour in
2015 had huge crowds that overwhelmed the site.
Now, in our conversation, we weren't sure of
what the numbers were and the details around
that final tour. So I did some research and just
wanted to follow up on that. So the first Willard
walking tours were held in 2009, and they were
done annually for the next seven years. And these
tours were given by former Willard employees.
started in 2009 by 2014 the tours were drawing
about 240 visitors per year so the tour guides
would take groups of 15 to 20 people on each
tour throughout the day and the cost was uh ten
dollars a person to take the walking tour now
in 2015 news of the walking tour went viral on
facebook so thousands of people around the country
and the world learned that one of the largest
former asylums in U .S. history, was giving walking
tours. So when the date of the tour came up,
the response was overwhelming. Thousands of visitors
made their way to Willard, hoping to take the
tour. And by 1 p .m., all roads to Willard were
closed, and they started turning cars away, and
people started having to turn around and go home.
Now, it's estimated that around 4 ,000 people
in total showed up in Willard. to try to take
the tours, but about 2 ,500 people actually made
it to the site and got in line for the tour.
So the tour guides tried to accommodate everyone
by increasing each tour group from the usual
15 to 20 people to somewhere around 80 to 100
people per tour. So as you can imagine, 80 to
100 people following and trying to listen to
a single tour guide. and stay on the tour just
wasn't doable. So visitors began to leave the
tours, kind of wander, spread out across the
campus, entering buildings and exploring on their
own. Now some of the visitors entered unsecured,
restricted areas that were not on the tour's
path and were off limits. to all visitors. But
thankfully, there were no reports of injuries
or any damage being caused by the visitors. But
the impact of the massive crowd wandering in
and out of these historic buildings was too much
for the organizers to handle. And that ended
up being the last year that the walking tours
were held at Willard. So let's get into the second
half of my conversation with Soraya Azkath of
the Where Did the Road Go podcast that were recorded
on site. At the Willard Cemetery earlier this
month, we got into some pretty wild topics in
the first part. So now in part two, we go even
deeper and get into some pretty mind bending
stuff, including ley lines and the power of sacred
sites. Two topics I've always been fascinated
by and a lot more. I also ended up talking about
some of my own experiences and beliefs related
to. reality and consciousness the kind of things
I've never really gotten into before on the podcast
so that was really cool and that was a lot of
fun it was a great conversation and I'm so thankful
that Soraya came out and had the conversation
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thank you again for listening. Thanks again to
Soraya for having the conversation with me over
at Willard. And let's get to it. When I was,
you know, when I first started coming here to
visit, and this kind of ties into your stories,
in that I believe that there's something about
this particular space, the land here, that is
different than other places. There's a different
kind of energy or something here. And when I
first started coming here, I would walk around
and I... And I talked about this on your radio
show, but I haven't talked about it on my show,
is that in the late 90s, early 2000s, I started
really getting into and interested in earthworks
and mounds, the native earthworks and mounds
around the country. A lot of the mounds are burial
mounds, but my interest sort of leaned more towards
the ceremonial mounds. Just how mysterious so
many of them are. You know, archaeologists can
sometimes say, well, they were made by the Hopewell
people. These were built by the Mississippian
people. But nobody really knows why they built
them. And sometimes when you talk to the aboriginal
culture, they'll say we didn't build them. Yes.
There's lots of stories of giants. They'll say
giants built them. There are also walls all over
the West Coast and all over the East Coast that
they just chalk up to farmers. Yeah. But there's
no record of the farmers building them. There's
no reason farmers would build them because they
weren't high enough to retain anything. Yeah.
And some go up and down like walls. Yeah. And
they're in like wooded areas, like high areas.
So they wouldn't be they wouldn't be creating
stone fences for their livestock on the top of
a hill that's heavily wooded. I think there's
there's some of those rock walls over in over
near Naples and some of the some of the areas
over there. Yeah, and then there's the Stone
Chambers in New England. So, yeah, I had a deep
interest in these. And for within like a two
-year span, I took a couple of cross -country
trips with a friend of mine, a couple friends
of mine, one to Wisconsin and one to Florida.
And both of them, we drove down and back both
times. My friend mapped out and we stopped at
as many earthen mounds and old earthworks that
we could find along the routes that we were taking.
So during that time, I had the opportunity to
visit dozens of these sites. And they're all
over the country. New York State and New England,
there used to be a lot more of them. and uh you
know they were just they were just removed and
you know plowed over and and and uh pillaged
and um and the uh uh so just looking at that
deer again i thought it was a deer um now it's
bigfoot okay uh yeah so these these sites are
um they're all over the country and Over time,
as I got to visit more and more of these places,
I started to kind of understand. I started to
get a feeling when I would go to these places.
And it's hard to explain. It's not like some
kind of spark goes off in my head and like, oh,
this is a vibe. I can feel the energy of the
sacred. It's not anything like that. Yeah, it's
just a vibe. You go there and you go, oh, okay.
I can kind of feel why this. place would have
been ceremonial at one time um and and if they
make some place ceremonial then they're also
putting energy into it when they run ceremonies
there yes so there's a dual factor there it's
probably already a sensitive place which is why
they picked it right and my i on my show we had
talked one of my theories is because i've been
in i like graveyards i like the architecture
and stuff like that so i've done a lot of graveyard
photography but most graveyards have no obvious
activity But this one and the one in Ithaca both
do. They're both very old. And I wonder if it
was more, this was a sacred place, let's put
a cemetery here. Yeah. Versus we need to put
a cemetery somewhere, here's an open plot. Right.
Yeah, and there are examples of that that are
known. There's some in Michigan and Fort Hill
Cemetery in Auburn. If you haven't been there
yet, that place is mind -blowing. It's a huge
complex. There's multiple mounds, and that was
turned into a cemetery. Okay. Somebody I knew
did a lot of research there. He said that there's,
you know, astronomical alignments. Yeah, it's
a really intense place. And that's also, yeah,
that was a place that was there when the Europeans
got there. And they said, oh, this, you know,
they, I don't know if they looked at it and said,
this is a sacred place. This is where we should
put our, bury our dead. They probably did. I
mean, they would have felt the same kind of.
I mean, that's why churches get built over old
pagan, you know, sacred spots. Yep. Yep. And
these, you know, these earthworks, whether it's
stone earthworks or built from soil, a lot of
times you'll see patterns in where they're located.
So you'll see them, you know, near a bend in
a river. um that that's one of the places a lot
of times you'll see um it'll there will just
be certain certain existing parts of the landscape
um like even even uh fort hill and auburn like
i think that's near whatever river that is at
the north end of the lake um uh so yeah so these
these places you can and i i kind of picked up
as i visited more and more of these places that
And sometimes you can get a feeling, get a sense
like, well, you know, there's a big 90 degree
bend in the river right here. And then there's
a little hill over here. Maybe there's a mound
over there. There could be a mound. And I believe
that there's still earthworks and mounds that
are right in front of our eyes that are probably
laying all over New York State. And we pass them
every day and nobody stops to think. Well, they're
covered with trees and everything else. Yep.
Yep. Did you put the pictures up on your page,
right, of the mounds? Or no? Of the mounds where?
You said you suspected there were mounds here.
I haven't put the pictures up yet. Oh, okay.
I have some LiDAR pictures, but that was what
I was just about to mention. So when I was visiting
here early on, I kept feeling like, you know,
I have a feeling there's... I have a feeling
that there was a mound around here or some kind
of earthwork. I don't know exactly why, but when
I was, but this cemetery is, it's not only on
the, like right next to the shore of the lake,
but there's also a big ravine where a creek runs
through. I'm forgetting the name of the creek
right now. I think they used to call it Indian
Creek. It was also named Risings Creek at one
time. I fell in that creek once. Did you really?
In the middle of the winter. Oh. I was dumb.
You didn't fall down the cliff into it. No, no.
We were just going through the woods. And I had
a walking stick with me. And as we got up to
the river, there was a big area where, you know,
I forget what they're called, where the water
will pool. And then before it goes further down.
Yeah. And it was negative whatever outside. And
I said. I'm going to walk across this. And my
friends are like, I don't think that's a good
idea. I'm like, no, I got this magic walking
stick. I'll be fine. And I got to the middle
of it, and I heard thunk, and I watched the whole
side just kind of drop, and I'm like, ah, crap.
And so I tried to walk carefully further, and
it dropped me right in. Oh! And luckily, I was
able to grab the edge and pull myself back out,
but I was soaked. And like I said, it was like
negative five out or something. Oh, my gosh.
So by the time we got to my friend's house, which
was like a good half -hour walk, My clothes were
frozen. How old were you? Probably 16 or 17.
Yeah, you can deal with that kind of trauma when
you're 16 or 17. If I fell into a freezing creek
right now, I don't know if I would, I don't know
if I'd survive. For sure. Well, also, you know,
I mean, I was just wearing a jean jacket. It
was negative five out when I was just wearing
a jean jacket. You know, like, I like the cold
anyway, but we're also used to it because we...
always be walking around yeah yeah yeah this
is it's it gets cold here in the winter um yes
back to your lidar anyway so my stupidity yeah
no no no i know i i love that story um so you
know i was walking around i just getting a feeling
that there was something here i i would kind
of walk back to the i'm sitting here pointing
like people can see we're pointing but i would
i would walk to the kind of the north the northwestern
corner of it and um where it gets kind of gets
kind of overgrown i was like i feel like something's
back there i want to go back there i never really
walked all i think one time i started walking
back there and the grass was like up to my waist
and it was bugs it was the middle of summer i
was like i can't do this now probably the best
time is to come like in the fall or in the early
early spring before anything grows in so i i
had this feeling and i kind of just i kind of
just forgot about it or you know I kept in the
back of my mind and then when I was doing some
research on earthworks that existed here in the
past there are some older books written in the
1800s that detail the earthworks and mounds all
across New York State and around this area and
lo and behold I found that there was an earthwork
and it said that it was on lot 93 north of Willard
So lot numbers were back in the 1800s. I was
like, I don't even know where that is, but if
it's north of Willard, I'm like, I wonder if
that's even close to the cemetery. So I went
online. I did some searching. I found an old
map of the town of Romulus. I look at Lot 93,
and it's right here. We're in Lot 93 right here.
So I was like, yep, there it is. Wow. That's
what I was, that's, I had a feeling about that.
And this is the description from the book that
I found. This is the only description. There's
no, there's no other, I mean, these, these, these
earthworks and mounds were, they were there.
And like I said, they would get, they would get
plowed over. A lot of them got just pillaged,
like local kids and people. Like, I mean, you
know, when you're a, when you're a kid and you
don't have much to do. And it's like, oh, there's
a hill over there, and if we dig, we can find
arrowheads and bones. When there's no understanding
of what you're doing, that was a natural thing,
and that was a common thing that was done. I
actually read a story that in the city of Geneva
sometime back in the early 1900s, some kid went
and he dug up one of the old Indian mounds, the
mound that's still there, and he found a skull.
and brought it back to the neighborhood was showing
it to the other kids so uh so yeah these these
places were there but they're gone and all we
have are you know some of these old descriptions
a few of them there's there's drawings but not
a lot of them but the description of this one
said this site is one -fourth of a mile east
of seneca lake and at the forks of the risings
ravine and at the forks of the risings ravine
they described the place as once having a distinct
wall with holes along the center, which passed
from one branch of the ravine to the other, enclosing
a triangular spot 50 feet above the stream. Wow.
Yeah, and I mean, that has all the hallmarks
of being some kind of ceremonial sacred site.
And like you mentioned earlier, nobody knows
why these places were built, but you often...
almost always find them built in places that
are special places regardless of whether there's
a mound there yeah so they were places that had
a certain vibe or a certain energy to them and
that was why people built the mounds on those
spots um and there's all kinds of theories about
why they were built uh some people believe that
there's actually that they were actually built
to somehow like focus the energy or or you know
pull the energy from above or below and and uh
amplify it in that area um similar to you know
even pyramids the pyramids all over the world
that these were that these were essentially mounds
yeah yeah and that you know maybe there was a
time where the same technology that went into
the pyramids uh was used by people who didn't
have they weren't advanced enough with the technology
to you know didn't have access to the type of
rock right yep um but nobody really knows um
why they're built but i uh i i do feel like there
there's something there there's something important
something that we forgot and um i i I am endlessly
fascinated by these things. And I'm, I'm always,
you know, anytime I'm going, I'm going places.
Like I said earlier, like I'm, I always have
an eye out to see if like, maybe there's something,
a little piece of land, a little bump, a little
ridge that looks out of place. So, so yeah. So
what did you find on the LIDAR? Oh, so on the
LIDAR and LIDAR, I don't. know exactly how to
describe it or how it even works but um it's
it's a mapping technique where they um essentially
map the land the ground that's um underneath
everything so whether it's you know trees or
whatever so if you look at a lidar map and there's
a house there you might see you know uh ridges
that are that are dug out you know you'll see
a square kind of yeah they found lost rivers
this way and stuff like that so um So I found
a LiDAR map of this area, and right over here
in the ravine, I don't know exactly, because
the description says that it was between two
branches of the stream, about 50 feet up. And
I can't, there's a couple different places it
could be, but the place that I think it is, I
was looking at that spot, and there appeared
to be... um along the edge of it now some kind
of some kind of mounds or something that's built
that doesn't look like it's part of the natural
landscape the natural landscape and also a little
further away from that there appears to be like
several round mounds that are there as well um
but i don't but you know it can be hard to tell
with mounds it just could be a pile of dirt like
for whatever reason construction was done or
something like that Um, and also a couple of,
there appear to be a couple of mounds, uh, back
here, like back in the northern end of the, of
the cemetery going, going further, um, further
away from here, uh, from where we are now. Um,
I haven't had a chance to take a look at those
or not, uh, yet, but, um, but yeah, I, I, I,
I get the sense that maybe this cemetery was
built because there were mounds, because there
was that kind of energy here. And to hear that
you had all these experiences here, I imagine
other people have as well. It all kind of comes
together for me right there. Like, okay, that
makes sense. I've ended up here twice in out
-of -body states. Here? Yeah, once intentionally.
It's the only time I've ever been able to project
out of body intentionally. And so my other friend
who was with us that day, who did see the tree
shaking, he called himself the Great Sequoia.
Okay. And so he would write sequoia on things
just randomly. And we had been up here the day
before, and there was a tree along the trail.
As we were leaving, he stopped, and I saw him
write something. And I didn't think about what
it was. And then I thought about it. I'm like,
he probably wrote Sequoia because that's what
he would write. But, like, some of the bark had
been scraped off, so he went to write it with
a pen on it. And so the next day I'm like, I'm
going to try projecting. And for the first time
it sort of worked. And I found myself here. And
I was moving up over by the hill over by the
Civil War graveyard. And it was wet. And I hadn't
actually gotten up yet. I was doing this as I
woke up. and everything was wet i didn't realize
it had been raining so that was confirmation
one where i was like oh i'm like everything's
wet okay and i'm like how can i how do i know
if this is just my imagination or not i'm like
i'm gonna go look at that tree so i literally
floated very quickly over to the tree and i looked
at the tree and there was nothing on it and i
went okay not real yeah and so i snapped out
of it and i talked to him later in the day i'm
like by the way what did you write on the tree
he goes oh I decided not to write anything. Now
I don't know if it's confirmation or not. It
could be. I had one out -of -body experience.
Years ago, I was in my mid -20s, and I got into
Robert Monroe's books. Oh, yeah, yeah. And I
read a few of the books, and I was practicing
it, which was every night when I'm falling asleep.
i imagine myself standing up that's like the
first step like you're you're laying down and
as you're drifting off to sleep you keep imagining
in yourself the motion of moving up out of your
body and standing above your body so i kept imagining
that um it never worked nothing ever happened
for a couple of months i was probably close to
giving up and then one time i was laying there
And I was going through that exercise, drifting
off to sleep. And all of a sudden, like my whole
field of vision got white. And the next thing
I know is I'm looking at my bedroom wall because
I see the light switch right here. And I was
like, oh, I think this worked. I was like, I
wonder if I can, I'm going to go up. And I just
decided I'm going to go up and see what happens.
So I went up. I went, it sounds insane, but I
went through the ceiling of my apartment. There
was an apartment above me. I went through the
ceiling and I went up to the ceiling in whatever
room was above me. And looking down below me,
I saw a bunk bed. I had moved through a bunk
bed. And at that point, the whole thing just
got so insane. I was like, this is crazy. And
I just instantly, I was back in my body. And
then I tried it again and again. I never really...
Were you able to verify there were bunk beds
above you? I was just about to get there. Okay.
A few months later, a leak starts happening into
our apartment from the upstairs apartment around
one of the radiators. Oh. So... And I'm like,
oh, geez, I got to go tell them. So I go upstairs.
I knock on the door and young girl answers. And
I was like, yeah, I was like, your radiator is
leaking. It's coming into our into our bedroom
down here. She's like, oh, which one? I was like,
I was like, it's somewhere over there. She's
like, is it this one? There was like one in the
kitchen. I was like, no, it's got to be. She's
like, well, show me like see if you can show
me where it is. So she brings me and I go into
the next room. It's a bedroom. There's a bunk
bed there. I was like, it's the radiator right
there. Thanks for letting me. I mean, what are
the chances of me having an opportunity? Why
would I go into my upstairs neighbor's apartment
ever or get invited in? I think I would have
tried to. Yeah. Hey, do you have bunk beds? Weird
question. Yeah, that could go either way, though,
maybe. Yeah, exactly. I do realize there was
another weird thing that happened here that I
never thought was weird. But it only really happened
around here. We would, and my friend Dave called
them horseflies. And they were flies, but they
were easily like two inches long. And they looked
like regular houseflies, except they had pinchers
on the end. And he said, oh, yeah, they're horseflies.
Those pinchers are to break through the horse
skin, which made sense, you know, sure. I had
never seen anything like this. I moved here from
Long Island. Horseflies were just slightly bigger
than regular flies. Yeah. And so we'd see them
up here. We'd be walking along, and they'd just
zoom around us. And you'd hear them. They'd be
like, meh, meh. And you'd be like, oh, boy. Never
got bitten by any of them. And he said, oh, if
they bite, they hurt real bad. I don't think
he ever got bitten by one. There was one that
landed on his back at one point. And as we were
walking through the woods, and at some point
I drifted behind him a little. I'm like, oh,
dude, there's one on your back. And he's like,
what? And he reaches back and grabs it. And the
thing freaks out and flies off. And he's screaming
and running. But, like, it wasn't until someone
said, those don't exist. And I'm like, what do
you mean they don't exist? And I started looking
online. I'm like, oh, the closest thing I can
find is a timber fly that do not exist in this
area. It's too cold for them. And they have the
mandibles to eat through wood. So I don't know
what those were, but I've only ever saw them
up here. And that's huge for a... for a horsefly.
Yes. That's not a horsefly. Well, now I know.
Yeah, yeah. We didn't have the internet back
then. He told me they're horseflies. Sure, they're
horseflies. That makes sense. Right. You guys
just had bigger horseflies than we did on Long
Island. Wow. And I haven't had anyone else tell
me they saw them. That's really weird because
just the variety of weird things you've seen
up here. Well, the variety of weird things that's
happened in my life. Okay, yeah. But yeah, like
that, and that was saying, like I said, I never
thought that was weird. Right. Like it was a
funny story that he grabbed it. Uh -huh. But
I mean, when you were talking about over there
by the mountains, we would hike through that
area. There were like hunting trails and stuff.
And I remember walking down one of the hunting
trails and it's just circling us. What? And we're
like, what? Oh, don't come over to us. You know,
we were both petrified of being bitten by one
because the things on them were so big. Yep.
Yeah. And it's the usually if you hear stories
of cemeteries, it's shadow people or, you know,
apparition moving or whatever. But the things
that you've experienced here, it's none of those
things. It's just like this is a place where
just weird things can happen. Monkeys and trees
and giant horse -like creatures. Like, I don't
know, monkey -esque something. Something at least
masquerading as a monkey. Yes. Yeah, that's really,
that's... really insane the fact that i forgot
all about that is even more insane if i hadn't
written it down i wouldn't ever have remembered
that yeah and then i would have made the connection
that oh all this happened in like a week yeah
yeah well it sort of reminds me a little bit
of uh like when you find out later is when i
was when i was a kid i was probably eight nine
years old i was fascinated with space and nasa
and ufos and stuff and i grew up in a little
town and Once in a while in the summer, I would
go to the nearby volunteer fire department. There
was a baseball field there or a softball field.
And I would go there and just I'd go out to like
behind second base, like near center field. And
I would lay down in the middle of this field
and just look at the stars and just lay there
for, I don't know, half hour, an hour. And just,
you know, maybe I'll see a maybe I'll see a UFO.
Maybe I'll see a. something in space like I wonder
what's how far away that is and I would just
sit there and kind of let my mind wander and
one night I was laying there and all of a sudden
I saw um coming across the just coming across
the sky like from left to right there was a at
first it looked like a star but it was moving
and it was like moving um kind of quickly you
know it took maybe a second to get across the
sky and I was and I And then it moved and then
it started slowing down. And then all of a sudden
it darted off at like a 90 degree angle. And
in my nine year old mind, I was like. Wow, I
just saw a shooting star. I saw a comet or a
meteor. Maybe it was a meteor that hit the Earth's
atmosphere and bounced off the atmosphere. I
was like, wow, that's great. I went home. I told
my parents. I'm like, I saw a meteor. It bounced
off the atmosphere. They're like, yeah, that's
great. Cool. I would think your nine -year -old
body would go right to spaceship. But it didn't.
That didn't even enter my mind. friends and they
were like okay yeah cool you saw i saw a real
shooting star meteor or something um and it wasn't
until i was like probably 13 or 14 i was in science
class and we were talking about comets or meteors
or whatever and uh has anybody ever seen a shooting
star i was like yeah i have and i explained it
to my teacher he's like oh what did it look like
i was like well in here and then it slowed down
and it shot off in the other direction when it
bounced off the atmosphere And the teacher just
looked at me and was like, I don't think that
was a meteor or a shooting star. I was like,
oh, what was it? He's like, I don't know, but
it wasn't that. And then we just like moved on
to the next lesson. I sat there going, I don't
know what, well, then what could it have been?
And then it just suddenly it hit me. I was like,
oh, I saw a UFO. But for years I didn't, I, yeah,
I just thought it was, I thought I had seen something.
pretty uh mundane yeah until i mentioned the
flies and where did the road go and people are
like that's not a thing that's not a thing yeah
all right so um um the last thing i wanted to
uh to talk about here related to this spot is
another little fun fact that i discovered um
Aside from my interest in earthworks, I'm also
interested in ley lines, the earth grid. And
for people who, or whatever people want to call
them, spirit paths. But the concept of ley lines
is that there are energy lines around the world
that encircle the whole globe. They can be, you
know, in a small area. They expand around the
whole planet. And along these lines, you'll find
significant landscape, whether it's, you know,
lakes or rivers or mountains. But also sacred
sites, ancient earth mounds. I know the theory
of ley lines started with Alfred Watkins in England,
and he started realizing, oh, all these old mounds
and earthen and stone structures here in England,
if you look at them on a map, they kind of line
up, and they'll line up with churches. And so,
yeah, churches, landscape, sacred sites in the
landscape. sacred sites that are more ancient
yeah um i don't know what exactly it means i
mean i'm not i just don't know but i i i see
them i see i see where it where it makes sense
um when you see these laid out on a map some
people say well it's just because that's what
we want to see we want to make We want to make
sense of these things or we want to see magic
where it's not actually there. And you can just
draw lines anywhere around the world and connect
places. And I suppose that's true. But I kind
of figure even if I'm sitting around looking
at a map and staring and obsessing about sacred
sites and landscape and going out and exploring
the landscape myself, that's still a pretty good
hobby. That's not a bad way to spend your time,
to just have that kind of curiosity and wonder
about the world. And it doesn't mean it's not
a lot, you know, there's not something to it
just because you can do it to anything. Right,
right. So in my, as I was investigating and just
looking at different things about Seneca Lake,
I... I found a website that has I'll put the
link in the description because I can't remember
the name of it right now. But it's a website.
It's an awesome website that has mapping of the
whole globe. It has ley lines. It has electromagnetic
anomalies. There's like multiple maps that you
can overlay on it. And when it comes to ley lines,
too, there's like different categories of ley
lines. There's like different. groups of people
throughout time who've um who've come up with
their own earth grid and um so there's there's
a lot of different uh a lot of different ley
lines you can look at on there so i got curious
i said i wonder if there are any like major ley
lines coming through the seneca lake area um
there's one that's on the uh west side of the
lake that's um actually called the washington
meridian so it's at the 77th meridian and it's
the the state cat or the national capital the
u .s capital uh supposedly has this ley line
running through it and this line goes all the
way around the globe and it runs along the the
west side of seneca lake um pretty straight north
south and but that's not the one i was going
to talk about now the other one i found is a
ley line that's called, there's two ley lines
that are called 45 degrees from Giza. So it's
the Great Pyramid. So if you're looking at the
Great Pyramid from above it, it would look like
a square. And then the edges would... the four
edges of the, of the pyramid would like make
an X. Like if you're looking from the top of
the pyramid. So each of those lines in the X
would be the 45 degree ley lines from Giza. Um,
one of the, one of the lines, 45 degree ley lines,
um, runs around the globe and it runs very close
to here. Now the thing about these, especially
when you're talking about global ley lines, like
not, And people speculate that these ley lines,
especially the big powerful ones on Earth, are
miles wide, you know, maybe four or five miles
wide. So I started looking to see if there were
any spots that were within like, you know, a
mile or two of the center of that line. And it
turns out that this Giza ley line runs. i mean
less than a quarter mile from where we're sitting
right now um it goes kind of it's it's at an
angle going uh going north to south um like north
northeast to southwest through this area and
it also touches the the bottom uh corner of the
seneca army depot which is where uh the nuclear
materials were stored for the manhattan project
um now this ley line uh also as it extends so
if we go from here and we extend across seneca
lake it goes right by a old earth mound site
in the town of milo near uh kiuka lake it goes
right through The Bluff Point Stoneworks on Keuka
Lake. Have you heard of those? No. Bluff Point
was a seven -acre site. Keuka Lake is kind of
a Y shape, so it's like right in the middle of
the Y. On the top of this bluff, it's a beautiful
spot. You get a great view of the whole area.
This place was discovered, whatever, in the 1800s.
It's completely removed. It's gone. Totally.
Like there's nothing left of it. But when it
existed, it was seven acres in size and it had
stone pathways that were running through the
site. Some of them were eight feet wide, a foot
high. They were made of stone that were almost
in a grid like pattern. There were big vertical
slabs like stonehenge like slabs of stone and
circles of boulders. all around this site uh
and then in between the vertus in some of the
inside the vertical slabs there were more slabs
that were like the floor they're all gone man
and it was even at the time the the archaeologists
and scientists who looked at it said there's
nothing like this in the northeast we don't know
how something this big not necessarily in the
northeast like i think um America Stonehenge
is out in New Hampshire, I believe. Yeah, something
like that. Somewhere in New England. So there's
some bigger stonework sites, but this site is,
you don't find this in New York State or Pennsylvania
or anywhere like that. Are there pictures? No,
there's some old, there's old drawings, you know,
like from up above them. But no, there's nothing
left of them. And that must have, I mean, the
amount of effort it must have taken them to remove
those. I think it's all, the land is all being
farmed now. So I'm sure, I mean, it was prime
farmland, I'm sure, just because it was so far
up there. So anyway, that ley line comes through
here. It goes by the mound in Milo. The Bluff
Point Stoneworks. Then it goes further. So I
was looking at this on this website, and it's
really cool to see how many sites are on there.
So it goes through Ohio, and Ohio has tons of
earthworks around the whole state. You could
spend months there to try to see them all. Wasn't
the Serpent Mound in Ohio? Yes. This ley line
goes by Serpent Mound. It goes by the Fort Hill
Earthworks, which are mounds and barrows, which
are like earthen walls that are up on a bluff.
The Newark Earthworks, which were circular earthworks
that had openings, earthen barrows. walls that
were built, uh, similar to the one that used
to be an Ovid. There used to be a, like a three
acre, um, circular mound structure in overly.
That was, yeah, that was, um, and when they found
that in the 1800s, they said that it was, it
was covered with trees, like large, old, mature
trees were running along the top of this thing.
So it was old. Um, And that's completely gone.
But yeah, so the Newark Earthworks, Fort Hill
Serpent Mound. You go a little further on this
ley line, Mammoth Cave National Park in Kentucky,
which is the world's longest cave. It's got 367
miles that have been mapped in these caves. La
Cameda Archaeological Site in New Mexico, or
no, in Mexico, which is from... 300 to 1200 AD,
a ceremonial fortress complex, stone walls and
columns. Then around the other side of the planet
in Yemen, there's throne of Queen Sheba, the
barren temple, which is intricate. It's got intricate
carvings, stone columns. It's a whole complex.
The kingdom of Saba, which is ancient South Arabia.
It's got seven landmarks on the World Heritage
Site list. the city of Mecca, the holiest city
in, in Islam. Oh, and back here, back here in
New York state, Mount Marcy is on that light
line, which is Mount Marcy is the largest mountain
in New York state. Oh, okay. But I think one
of my favorite places, which I hadn't even heard
about until I was, until I was looking into this
is Mount, Mount. I want to say this right. It's
an Italian name. It's in Turin, Italy, where
the Shroud of Turin was found. It's called Mount
Mucine. It's a mountain that has had tons of
UFO sightings over the years. And, you know,
people, the locals like know it as a as a powerful
spot. And at some point there was a like this
tall slab. I don't know if it was stone or metal
that just showed up. And they call it a stele,
S -T -E -L -E. A stele, yeah. And it was put
up and it has this inscription on it, these words
on it written in Italian. And nobody knew who
put it there. At one point, the authorities came
in, they removed it, and then it just... mysteriously
reappeared it's still there um nobody knows where
it came from uh the local people believe that
huge streams of energy pass from the slab into
the city of turin um but the uh but i love the
inscription that's on it so here's the here's
the inscription that is translated into english
it says here is the antenna of the seven electrodynamic
points through which With its living, glowing
core, the entire earth breathes, gives life.
Here operate the astral entities that were Hatshepsut,
Eknaton, Christ, Buddha, Muhammad, Abraham, Confucius,
Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Francis of Assisi,
and even you, if you want to build brotherhood
among all nations, think about it intensively
for three minutes. Thought is construction. Nice.
Yeah, that's a nice one. So a lot of talking
for me there. Have you checked if there's any
fault lines running along here? I have not. Because
UFO sightings and orb sightings generally follow
fault lines. So some of them are earthquake lights.
Pressure in the rocks, I mean, this has been
semi -proven. But obviously they also, you have
what might be intelligent plasma. Because I'm
pretty sure there's one running on the Cayuga
Lake that runs down through Elmira and ends up
in the Long Island Sound. Okay. So, but I'm wondering
if there's more. Because at some point someone
told me that New York State is crisscrossed in
small fault lines. Yeah, it very well may be.
I know that was one of the theories they had
for the Seneca drums, too, but then they said
that there were no fault lines running underneath
the lake. And New York State's just, I mean,
when you look at the history of weird stuff in
New York State, I mean, Whitley Strieber had
his first encounters in communion in upstate
New York. The Seth material was channeled in
Envira, New York. What's the religion there?
The Mormons started in... Is that also Palmyra?
Palmyra. That's right. You had the Fox sisters
just outside of Rochester starting the whole
spiritualism movement. And it's just like, there's
just one thing after another. Yeah. Yep. Yeah.
And I mentioned this on your show, but Seneca
Lake, in the early Mormon church, Joseph Smith,
there was Joseph Smith and one other man. I can't
remember his name. They were the founders and
they. Moved to Waterloo to Peter Whitmer's farm.
They were translating their golden tablets. And
like the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh,
eighth Mormons ever were baptized in Seneca Lake.
So, yeah, Seneca Lake ties into that too as well.
And as Jacques Vallée has pointed out, a lot
of what formed the Mormon religion sounds very
UFO related. Yes. Yes. Which is why he started
formulating all this stuff as a control system
of some sorts. Yes. Right. Yep. Yeah. Passport
to Magonia was when I read that, that's that's
still like one of the handful of books that just
when I finished it, it gave me a buzz because
I didn't I didn't know. I didn't even consider
any of that stuff. Like I was into UFOs. No one
really did. The only other person that was close
was John Keel. Mm hmm. Yep. And for me, I read
Dimensions first. And Dimensions, it's that taken
a lot further because he's including apparitions
of the Virgin Mary and things like that. And
he's showing like, yeah, the archetype is the
same. Right, right. And like the biggest takeaway
I got from it, like I said, I was interested
in UFOs and what are they? And I kept seeing
the name of this book, Passport to Megonia. And
what it gave me is this understanding that these
are universal human experiences that go on everywhere
and they've been going on, they've been happening
forever. And it's... feel supernatural but it's
it's normal it's like well that's it there and
i can't remember who said it i want to say it
was jack hunter the uh anthropologist from the
uk said that these are rare experiences it's
like it's not that they're supernatural or right
it's just that they're very rare experiences
you don't have them all the time and then you
know i know other people who have had a variety
experiences like me and like still haven't quite
figured out what that dynamic is. Like it could
be that some people just ignore them. And of
course, if you start paying attention to the
stuff, you get more of it. But is it that you
get more of it or you're just noticing more of
it? Good question. Good question. Yeah, and that's
absolutely true is that if you're paying attention
to it. But I agree that people just don't...
People just make... come up with a prosaic explanation
for something weird that just happened, and they
move on with their lives because it's not supposed
to happen. It's not supposed to happen. And we've
talked about this many times on Where the Road
Goes. How much data have we lost because someone
had a Bigfoot sighting followed by a UFO sighting?
And they only report one of them because they're
like, no, one of them's crazy enough. If I tell
them I had both, they're really not going to
believe me. Yes. When in reality, that's more
likely that people are going to have repeated
experiences than not. Right. It's when someone
has one. I mean, most people have had at least
one weird experience. Like even even the people
I know who are like, I know nothing. Well, there's
that one thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. and kind of
saw a ufo and it's like all right there it is
yeah and even even uh like just coincidences
just you know things i i think everybody's had
those kinds of yeah just about everybody's had
those kind of experiences where you're you know
halfway across the country and like all of a
sudden you run into somebody that you knew from
high school or whatever like what are you doing
here you know those kind of experiences are they're
not supernatural but they're They're weird. They
make you question how things are connected. Yeah.
Yeah. Yep. But what I also liked about that steel
of Mount Musina was just this encouragement to
people to do this, to think this way yourself,
to change the way you think. Stop thinking of
other people as the enemy. Mm -hmm. And you can
use these energies and these forces for good.
And that's the other thing that I just wonder
about these mounds as far as just like, what
do they mean? And these earthworks and these
ancient sites, like, what do they mean? And I
feel like there's something we can learn from
these old sites. Especially the ones, not that
we can't, I mean, obviously, if you go to Giza
or South America and you see these massive pyramids,
there's plenty to be learned from those. But
these earthworks, there's something else about
them. And I think that just recognizing them
and talking about them is a positive thing. And
maybe it helps get a little closer to... It's
also possible that the people who built these...
conceived reality completely different than we
do so we're trying to fit them into how we perceive
reality whereas they did not i mean when you
look at the great pyramid i mean any of those
big the pyramids on giza i was just talking to
the brothers of the serpent about this recently
like you walk away with more questions than answers
yeah you know like oh it could be this or it
could be this or it could be this but none of
them actually fully work we know it's not a tomb
despite archaeology's insistence, or at least
Egyptology's insistence. But what is it? And
is it even something that we would think of?
Because maybe the people who built it didn't
think the same way we do. Yep, very true. And
even, yeah, with these earthworks, for many,
many, excuse me, it's only been the past maybe
25, 30 years that it's become more accepted that
they're... They're there for ceremonial use.
Right. They were called fortresses forever. Yeah.
You know, that's why, you know, there's Fort
Hill in Auburn, Fort Hill, and you find a lot
of these earthwork called Fort something. Yep.
But they weren't forts. They weren't defensive,
you know. The European mind looked at it and
said, oh, you built a wall here and a wall here.
You're trying to, it's for fighting. It's for
protecting yourself from the enemy. And that's
completely the opposite. And we dig stuff up
and it's a temple. Yeah, right? Yes, that's right.
Ancient people only made temples. Temples and
tombs. Yep. So I have one thing, if you want
to embrace a humorous moment. Absolutely. It
has nothing to do with Willard, but it does have
to do with Seneca Lake. Okay. Because I found
this on, I think, a Geneva subreddit. Someone
posted it. Okay. And it kind of killed me. All
right. So they used to have a whale watch in
Geneva. Yes. On Seneca Lake, which obviously
does not have whales. Right. And so this guy
wrote this. It says, Sunday, March 16, 2025,
David Lewis, Dear Mayor Valentino, Ever since
I was a young man, and by the way, it is typewritten.
Oh. I was fantasized about watching whales at
Seneca Lake. I once saw a man with a Seneca Lake
whale watch Geneva, New York t -shirt. Never
since I've been obsessed with witnessing a freshwater
whale with my own two eyes. I would often save
up my loose change during my youth to pay for
a trip to the great city of Geneva, only for
my father to steal my paltry savings just to
buy rolling rock and gamble. Well, now I'm an
adult, and with an adult job and adult freedoms,
this past summer I decided it was high time to
stop fantasizing and start doing. I drove to
your great city. I sipped the wine from your
surrounding vineyards and took in a show at your
opera house. I mingled with your hippies. It
was time to do what I came to do. It was time
to see the whales. I found a park bench that
was dedicated to the sport of whale watching.
On it read a plaque. This bench reserved for
whale watching. My excitement swelled as I took
a seat, the hair on my arms standing on end in
anticipation. For the show, I have waited 15
years to witness. The first hour passed without
a single breach. No problem, I told myself. I'm
here at noon. Whales are most active in the morning,
evening, and early evenings. I settled in. Two
hours, I watched a couple in love pass by, seemingly
too lost in amorous bliss to stop and whale watch
with me. Still nothing. Four hours. I saw two
squirrels fight for a place on a branch. One's
pushing the other off in an act of attempted
murder. Squirrels do not have a terminal velocity.
Did I miss the whales during this distraction?
I mustn't lose focus. Seven hours. It's getting
dark. A homeless man sits next to me. I ask if
he, too, is here to watch the whales. He looks
at me as if I'm the drunk one, as if I'm the
one who smells of schnapps and urine. He informs
me there are no whales to be watched. Mr. Mayor,
why would you allow such a lie to be promoted?
My entire personality is now based on a fictional,
specified... Oh, fictional... fictional species
and I am now perceived as a lunatic. The humiliation
is insurmountable. Please write back to inform
me if there were ever any whales in Lake Seneca
or if this is a generational lie. P .S. I have
included a $1 bill to cover the cost of return
postage. I am aware postage only costs 73 cents.
Do not send the change back as it jams the UPS
sorting machine. And he wrote this like it was
1960. Right. That's pretty good. And apparently
actually sent it to the mayor. Yeah, there used
to be a whale watch in Geneva. Yeah, yeah. Yeah,
well, imagine the humiliation of having your
whole personality revolve around a Seneca Lake
monster. Yeah, he's, I'm sure, making that up.
I hope the mayor got a laugh out of it. Yeah,
I hope so. That's a good one. So, man, thanks
so much for doing this. This was a blast. Oh,
absolutely. Yes, it was. So tell people everything,
where they can find everything you do and all
that. Well, wheretheroadgo .com is the best place.
The other show is thelastexit .org. But if you
go to wheretheroadgo .com, there's a link tree.
and it links to all my photography stuff. Everything
I do, it's all linked right there. All right.
So all the music shows, all the YouTubes, all
the social media sites, everything. All right.
So everybody get out there and check out Soraya's
stuff. Where Did the Road Go is right up my alley.
I love the show, and I had the opportunity to
be on it. That'll be put online sometime in the
future. Sometime soon. I'm like four weeks behind
putting shows up publicly. I'm very good at putting
them up for patrons, but then I lag sometimes
on the public broadcast, so it'll be up soon.
Yeah, that happens. All right, so that's it.
Thanks, everybody, for listening, and we're signing
off here from this sacred site on the shore of
Seneca Lake, Willard Cemetery. We'll see you
next time. Well, that's it for this time around.
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