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Hey folks, welcome to Seneca Lake Mysteries,

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the podcast where we explore the unusual, strange,

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and unexplained on New York's largest finger

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lake. First, I want to thank everyone for listening,

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subscribing, commenting, all the feedback, all

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the supportive words. I'm truly thankful for

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all of you. I started this podcast, I wasn't

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sure if a lot of people would dig it, and it

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turns out... A lot of people do dig it. So thanks

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so much again. If you enjoy the podcast, please

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share it and tell all your friends about it.

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And I'll keep digging up more cool stories and

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talking about them. So before I get into part

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two of my conversation with Soraya at Willard

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Asylum Cemetery, I want to go back to the last

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episode. Soraya and I were discussing how the

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walking tours had been done on the Willard campus

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for a few years. how the final walking tour in

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2015 had huge crowds that overwhelmed the site.

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Now, in our conversation, we weren't sure of

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what the numbers were and the details around

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that final tour. So I did some research and just

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wanted to follow up on that. So the first Willard

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walking tours were held in 2009, and they were

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done annually for the next seven years. And these

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tours were given by former Willard employees.

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started in 2009 by 2014 the tours were drawing

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about 240 visitors per year so the tour guides

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would take groups of 15 to 20 people on each

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tour throughout the day and the cost was uh ten

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dollars a person to take the walking tour now

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in 2015 news of the walking tour went viral on

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facebook so thousands of people around the country

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and the world learned that one of the largest

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former asylums in U .S. history, was giving walking

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tours. So when the date of the tour came up,

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the response was overwhelming. Thousands of visitors

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made their way to Willard, hoping to take the

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tour. And by 1 p .m., all roads to Willard were

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closed, and they started turning cars away, and

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people started having to turn around and go home.

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Now, it's estimated that around 4 ,000 people

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in total showed up in Willard. to try to take

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the tours, but about 2 ,500 people actually made

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it to the site and got in line for the tour.

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So the tour guides tried to accommodate everyone

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by increasing each tour group from the usual

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15 to 20 people to somewhere around 80 to 100

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people per tour. So as you can imagine, 80 to

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100 people following and trying to listen to

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a single tour guide. and stay on the tour just

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wasn't doable. So visitors began to leave the

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tours, kind of wander, spread out across the

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campus, entering buildings and exploring on their

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own. Now some of the visitors entered unsecured,

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restricted areas that were not on the tour's

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path and were off limits. to all visitors. But

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thankfully, there were no reports of injuries

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or any damage being caused by the visitors. But

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the impact of the massive crowd wandering in

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and out of these historic buildings was too much

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for the organizers to handle. And that ended

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up being the last year that the walking tours

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were held at Willard. So let's get into the second

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half of my conversation with Soraya Azkath of

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the Where Did the Road Go podcast that were recorded

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on site. At the Willard Cemetery earlier this

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month, we got into some pretty wild topics in

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the first part. So now in part two, we go even

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deeper and get into some pretty mind bending

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stuff, including ley lines and the power of sacred

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sites. Two topics I've always been fascinated

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by and a lot more. I also ended up talking about

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some of my own experiences and beliefs related

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to. reality and consciousness the kind of things

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I've never really gotten into before on the podcast

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so that was really cool and that was a lot of

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fun it was a great conversation and I'm so thankful

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that Soraya came out and had the conversation

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with me if you're Interested in Soraya's work,

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go to wheredidtheroadgo .com. There's a link

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tree there with his photography, his music shows,

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his YouTube, all his social media. And as always,

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if you like this show, please subscribe and follow

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thank you again for listening. Thanks again to

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Soraya for having the conversation with me over

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at Willard. And let's get to it. When I was,

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you know, when I first started coming here to

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visit, and this kind of ties into your stories,

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in that I believe that there's something about

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this particular space, the land here, that is

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different than other places. There's a different

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kind of energy or something here. And when I

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first started coming here, I would walk around

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and I... And I talked about this on your radio

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show, but I haven't talked about it on my show,

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is that in the late 90s, early 2000s, I started

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really getting into and interested in earthworks

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and mounds, the native earthworks and mounds

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around the country. A lot of the mounds are burial

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mounds, but my interest sort of leaned more towards

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the ceremonial mounds. Just how mysterious so

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many of them are. You know, archaeologists can

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sometimes say, well, they were made by the Hopewell

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people. These were built by the Mississippian

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people. But nobody really knows why they built

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them. And sometimes when you talk to the aboriginal

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culture, they'll say we didn't build them. Yes.

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There's lots of stories of giants. They'll say

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giants built them. There are also walls all over

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the West Coast and all over the East Coast that

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they just chalk up to farmers. Yeah. But there's

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no record of the farmers building them. There's

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no reason farmers would build them because they

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weren't high enough to retain anything. Yeah.

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And some go up and down like walls. Yeah. And

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they're in like wooded areas, like high areas.

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So they wouldn't be they wouldn't be creating

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stone fences for their livestock on the top of

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a hill that's heavily wooded. I think there's

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there's some of those rock walls over in over

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near Naples and some of the some of the areas

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over there. Yeah, and then there's the Stone

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Chambers in New England. So, yeah, I had a deep

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interest in these. And for within like a two

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-year span, I took a couple of cross -country

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trips with a friend of mine, a couple friends

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of mine, one to Wisconsin and one to Florida.

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And both of them, we drove down and back both

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times. My friend mapped out and we stopped at

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as many earthen mounds and old earthworks that

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we could find along the routes that we were taking.

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So during that time, I had the opportunity to

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visit dozens of these sites. And they're all

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over the country. New York State and New England,

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there used to be a lot more of them. and uh you

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know they were just they were just removed and

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you know plowed over and and and uh pillaged

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and um and the uh uh so just looking at that

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deer again i thought it was a deer um now it's

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bigfoot okay uh yeah so these these sites are

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um they're all over the country and Over time,

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as I got to visit more and more of these places,

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I started to kind of understand. I started to

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get a feeling when I would go to these places.

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And it's hard to explain. It's not like some

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kind of spark goes off in my head and like, oh,

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this is a vibe. I can feel the energy of the

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sacred. It's not anything like that. Yeah, it's

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just a vibe. You go there and you go, oh, okay.

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I can kind of feel why this. place would have

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been ceremonial at one time um and and if they

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make some place ceremonial then they're also

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putting energy into it when they run ceremonies

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there yes so there's a dual factor there it's

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probably already a sensitive place which is why

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they picked it right and my i on my show we had

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talked one of my theories is because i've been

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in i like graveyards i like the architecture

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and stuff like that so i've done a lot of graveyard

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photography but most graveyards have no obvious

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activity But this one and the one in Ithaca both

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do. They're both very old. And I wonder if it

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was more, this was a sacred place, let's put

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a cemetery here. Yeah. Versus we need to put

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a cemetery somewhere, here's an open plot. Right.

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Yeah, and there are examples of that that are

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known. There's some in Michigan and Fort Hill

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Cemetery in Auburn. If you haven't been there

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yet, that place is mind -blowing. It's a huge

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complex. There's multiple mounds, and that was

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turned into a cemetery. Okay. Somebody I knew

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did a lot of research there. He said that there's,

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you know, astronomical alignments. Yeah, it's

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a really intense place. And that's also, yeah,

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that was a place that was there when the Europeans

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got there. And they said, oh, this, you know,

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they, I don't know if they looked at it and said,

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this is a sacred place. This is where we should

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put our, bury our dead. They probably did. I

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mean, they would have felt the same kind of.

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I mean, that's why churches get built over old

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pagan, you know, sacred spots. Yep. Yep. And

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these, you know, these earthworks, whether it's

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stone earthworks or built from soil, a lot of

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times you'll see patterns in where they're located.

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So you'll see them, you know, near a bend in

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a river. um that that's one of the places a lot

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of times you'll see um it'll there will just

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be certain certain existing parts of the landscape

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um like even even uh fort hill and auburn like

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i think that's near whatever river that is at

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the north end of the lake um uh so yeah so these

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these places you can and i i kind of picked up

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as i visited more and more of these places that

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And sometimes you can get a feeling, get a sense

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like, well, you know, there's a big 90 degree

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bend in the river right here. And then there's

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a little hill over here. Maybe there's a mound

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over there. There could be a mound. And I believe

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that there's still earthworks and mounds that

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are right in front of our eyes that are probably

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laying all over New York State. And we pass them

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every day and nobody stops to think. Well, they're

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covered with trees and everything else. Yep.

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Yep. Did you put the pictures up on your page,

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right, of the mounds? Or no? Of the mounds where?

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You said you suspected there were mounds here.

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I haven't put the pictures up yet. Oh, okay.

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I have some LiDAR pictures, but that was what

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I was just about to mention. So when I was visiting

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here early on, I kept feeling like, you know,

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I have a feeling there's... I have a feeling

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that there was a mound around here or some kind

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of earthwork. I don't know exactly why, but when

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I was, but this cemetery is, it's not only on

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the, like right next to the shore of the lake,

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but there's also a big ravine where a creek runs

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through. I'm forgetting the name of the creek

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right now. I think they used to call it Indian

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Creek. It was also named Risings Creek at one

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time. I fell in that creek once. Did you really?

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In the middle of the winter. Oh. I was dumb.

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You didn't fall down the cliff into it. No, no.

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We were just going through the woods. And I had

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a walking stick with me. And as we got up to

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the river, there was a big area where, you know,

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I forget what they're called, where the water

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will pool. And then before it goes further down.

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Yeah. And it was negative whatever outside. And

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I said. I'm going to walk across this. And my

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friends are like, I don't think that's a good

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idea. I'm like, no, I got this magic walking

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stick. I'll be fine. And I got to the middle

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of it, and I heard thunk, and I watched the whole

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side just kind of drop, and I'm like, ah, crap.

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And so I tried to walk carefully further, and

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it dropped me right in. Oh! And luckily, I was

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able to grab the edge and pull myself back out,

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but I was soaked. And like I said, it was like

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negative five out or something. Oh, my gosh.

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So by the time we got to my friend's house, which

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was like a good half -hour walk, My clothes were

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frozen. How old were you? Probably 16 or 17.

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Yeah, you can deal with that kind of trauma when

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you're 16 or 17. If I fell into a freezing creek

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right now, I don't know if I would, I don't know

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if I'd survive. For sure. Well, also, you know,

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I mean, I was just wearing a jean jacket. It

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was negative five out when I was just wearing

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a jean jacket. You know, like, I like the cold

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anyway, but we're also used to it because we...

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always be walking around yeah yeah yeah this

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is it's it gets cold here in the winter um yes

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back to your lidar anyway so my stupidity yeah

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no no no i know i i love that story um so you

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know i was walking around i just getting a feeling

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that there was something here i i would kind

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of walk back to the i'm sitting here pointing

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like people can see we're pointing but i would

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i would walk to the kind of the north the northwestern

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corner of it and um where it gets kind of gets

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kind of overgrown i was like i feel like something's

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back there i want to go back there i never really

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walked all i think one time i started walking

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back there and the grass was like up to my waist

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and it was bugs it was the middle of summer i

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was like i can't do this now probably the best

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time is to come like in the fall or in the early

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early spring before anything grows in so i i

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had this feeling and i kind of just i kind of

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just forgot about it or you know I kept in the

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back of my mind and then when I was doing some

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research on earthworks that existed here in the

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past there are some older books written in the

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1800s that detail the earthworks and mounds all

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across New York State and around this area and

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lo and behold I found that there was an earthwork

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and it said that it was on lot 93 north of Willard

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So lot numbers were back in the 1800s. I was

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like, I don't even know where that is, but if

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it's north of Willard, I'm like, I wonder if

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that's even close to the cemetery. So I went

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online. I did some searching. I found an old

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map of the town of Romulus. I look at Lot 93,

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and it's right here. We're in Lot 93 right here.

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So I was like, yep, there it is. Wow. That's

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what I was, that's, I had a feeling about that.

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And this is the description from the book that

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I found. This is the only description. There's

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no, there's no other, I mean, these, these, these

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earthworks and mounds were, they were there.

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And like I said, they would get, they would get

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plowed over. A lot of them got just pillaged,

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like local kids and people. Like, I mean, you

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know, when you're a, when you're a kid and you

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don't have much to do. And it's like, oh, there's

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a hill over there, and if we dig, we can find

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arrowheads and bones. When there's no understanding

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of what you're doing, that was a natural thing,

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and that was a common thing that was done. I

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actually read a story that in the city of Geneva

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sometime back in the early 1900s, some kid went

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and he dug up one of the old Indian mounds, the

00:17:28.259 --> 00:17:31.000
mound that's still there, and he found a skull.

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and brought it back to the neighborhood was showing

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it to the other kids so uh so yeah these these

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places were there but they're gone and all we

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have are you know some of these old descriptions

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a few of them there's there's drawings but not

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a lot of them but the description of this one

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said this site is one -fourth of a mile east

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of seneca lake and at the forks of the risings

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ravine and at the forks of the risings ravine

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they described the place as once having a distinct

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wall with holes along the center, which passed

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from one branch of the ravine to the other, enclosing

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a triangular spot 50 feet above the stream. Wow.

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Yeah, and I mean, that has all the hallmarks

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of being some kind of ceremonial sacred site.

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And like you mentioned earlier, nobody knows

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why these places were built, but you often...

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almost always find them built in places that

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are special places regardless of whether there's

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a mound there yeah so they were places that had

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a certain vibe or a certain energy to them and

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that was why people built the mounds on those

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spots um and there's all kinds of theories about

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why they were built uh some people believe that

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there's actually that they were actually built

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to somehow like focus the energy or or you know

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pull the energy from above or below and and uh

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amplify it in that area um similar to you know

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even pyramids the pyramids all over the world

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that these were that these were essentially mounds

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yeah yeah and that you know maybe there was a

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time where the same technology that went into

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the pyramids uh was used by people who didn't

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have they weren't advanced enough with the technology

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to you know didn't have access to the type of

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rock right yep um but nobody really knows um

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why they're built but i uh i i do feel like there

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there's something there there's something important

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something that we forgot and um i i I am endlessly

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fascinated by these things. And I'm, I'm always,

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you know, anytime I'm going, I'm going places.

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Like I said earlier, like I'm, I always have

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an eye out to see if like, maybe there's something,

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a little piece of land, a little bump, a little

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ridge that looks out of place. So, so yeah. So

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what did you find on the LIDAR? Oh, so on the

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LIDAR and LIDAR, I don't. know exactly how to

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describe it or how it even works but um it's

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it's a mapping technique where they um essentially

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map the land the ground that's um underneath

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everything so whether it's you know trees or

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whatever so if you look at a lidar map and there's

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a house there you might see you know uh ridges

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that are that are dug out you know you'll see

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a square kind of yeah they found lost rivers

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this way and stuff like that so um So I found

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a LiDAR map of this area, and right over here

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in the ravine, I don't know exactly, because

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the description says that it was between two

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branches of the stream, about 50 feet up. And

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I can't, there's a couple different places it

00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:04.619
could be, but the place that I think it is, I

00:21:04.619 --> 00:21:06.519
was looking at that spot, and there appeared

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to be... um along the edge of it now some kind

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of some kind of mounds or something that's built

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that doesn't look like it's part of the natural

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landscape the natural landscape and also a little

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further away from that there appears to be like

00:21:22.950 --> 00:21:26.250
several round mounds that are there as well um

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but i don't but you know it can be hard to tell

00:21:29.910 --> 00:21:32.009
with mounds it just could be a pile of dirt like

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for whatever reason construction was done or

00:21:34.170 --> 00:21:38.150
something like that Um, and also a couple of,

00:21:38.150 --> 00:21:43.170
there appear to be a couple of mounds, uh, back

00:21:43.170 --> 00:21:46.890
here, like back in the northern end of the, of

00:21:46.890 --> 00:21:51.210
the cemetery going, going further, um, further

00:21:51.210 --> 00:21:55.130
away from here, uh, from where we are now. Um,

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I haven't had a chance to take a look at those

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or not, uh, yet, but, um, but yeah, I, I, I,

00:22:04.089 --> 00:22:07.349
I get the sense that maybe this cemetery was

00:22:07.349 --> 00:22:11.150
built because there were mounds, because there

00:22:11.150 --> 00:22:13.410
was that kind of energy here. And to hear that

00:22:13.410 --> 00:22:17.029
you had all these experiences here, I imagine

00:22:17.029 --> 00:22:21.710
other people have as well. It all kind of comes

00:22:21.710 --> 00:22:24.369
together for me right there. Like, okay, that

00:22:24.369 --> 00:22:31.549
makes sense. I've ended up here twice in out

00:22:31.549 --> 00:22:35.529
-of -body states. Here? Yeah, once intentionally.

00:22:35.710 --> 00:22:37.569
It's the only time I've ever been able to project

00:22:37.569 --> 00:22:42.910
out of body intentionally. And so my other friend

00:22:42.910 --> 00:22:44.990
who was with us that day, who did see the tree

00:22:44.990 --> 00:22:48.109
shaking, he called himself the Great Sequoia.

00:22:48.769 --> 00:22:51.329
Okay. And so he would write sequoia on things

00:22:51.329 --> 00:22:56.609
just randomly. And we had been up here the day

00:22:56.609 --> 00:22:59.410
before, and there was a tree along the trail.

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As we were leaving, he stopped, and I saw him

00:23:01.450 --> 00:23:03.700
write something. And I didn't think about what

00:23:03.700 --> 00:23:05.599
it was. And then I thought about it. I'm like,

00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:08.140
he probably wrote Sequoia because that's what

00:23:08.140 --> 00:23:09.819
he would write. But, like, some of the bark had

00:23:09.819 --> 00:23:11.759
been scraped off, so he went to write it with

00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:15.880
a pen on it. And so the next day I'm like, I'm

00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:18.799
going to try projecting. And for the first time

00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:22.119
it sort of worked. And I found myself here. And

00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:25.099
I was moving up over by the hill over by the

00:23:25.099 --> 00:23:28.059
Civil War graveyard. And it was wet. And I hadn't

00:23:28.059 --> 00:23:30.759
actually gotten up yet. I was doing this as I

00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:33.529
woke up. and everything was wet i didn't realize

00:23:33.529 --> 00:23:36.109
it had been raining so that was confirmation

00:23:36.109 --> 00:23:38.589
one where i was like oh i'm like everything's

00:23:38.589 --> 00:23:42.250
wet okay and i'm like how can i how do i know

00:23:42.250 --> 00:23:44.210
if this is just my imagination or not i'm like

00:23:44.210 --> 00:23:46.730
i'm gonna go look at that tree so i literally

00:23:46.730 --> 00:23:49.470
floated very quickly over to the tree and i looked

00:23:49.470 --> 00:23:51.009
at the tree and there was nothing on it and i

00:23:51.009 --> 00:23:55.630
went okay not real yeah and so i snapped out

00:23:55.630 --> 00:23:58.609
of it and i talked to him later in the day i'm

00:23:58.609 --> 00:24:00.009
like by the way what did you write on the tree

00:24:00.009 --> 00:24:04.410
he goes oh I decided not to write anything. Now

00:24:04.410 --> 00:24:09.690
I don't know if it's confirmation or not. It

00:24:09.690 --> 00:24:15.390
could be. I had one out -of -body experience.

00:24:16.089 --> 00:24:18.990
Years ago, I was in my mid -20s, and I got into

00:24:18.990 --> 00:24:22.369
Robert Monroe's books. Oh, yeah, yeah. And I

00:24:22.369 --> 00:24:25.650
read a few of the books, and I was practicing

00:24:25.650 --> 00:24:28.750
it, which was every night when I'm falling asleep.

00:24:30.430 --> 00:24:35.029
i imagine myself standing up that's like the

00:24:35.029 --> 00:24:37.269
first step like you're you're laying down and

00:24:37.269 --> 00:24:39.650
as you're drifting off to sleep you keep imagining

00:24:39.650 --> 00:24:42.650
in yourself the motion of moving up out of your

00:24:42.650 --> 00:24:45.750
body and standing above your body so i kept imagining

00:24:45.750 --> 00:24:49.410
that um it never worked nothing ever happened

00:24:49.410 --> 00:24:52.589
for a couple of months i was probably close to

00:24:52.589 --> 00:24:56.789
giving up and then one time i was laying there

00:24:57.440 --> 00:24:59.799
And I was going through that exercise, drifting

00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:02.859
off to sleep. And all of a sudden, like my whole

00:25:02.859 --> 00:25:06.099
field of vision got white. And the next thing

00:25:06.099 --> 00:25:09.440
I know is I'm looking at my bedroom wall because

00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:13.920
I see the light switch right here. And I was

00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:18.099
like, oh, I think this worked. I was like, I

00:25:18.099 --> 00:25:20.920
wonder if I can, I'm going to go up. And I just

00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:24.720
decided I'm going to go up and see what happens.

00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:29.829
So I went up. I went, it sounds insane, but I

00:25:29.829 --> 00:25:31.809
went through the ceiling of my apartment. There

00:25:31.809 --> 00:25:33.950
was an apartment above me. I went through the

00:25:33.950 --> 00:25:39.250
ceiling and I went up to the ceiling in whatever

00:25:39.250 --> 00:25:42.730
room was above me. And looking down below me,

00:25:42.849 --> 00:25:45.990
I saw a bunk bed. I had moved through a bunk

00:25:45.990 --> 00:25:49.569
bed. And at that point, the whole thing just

00:25:49.569 --> 00:25:51.809
got so insane. I was like, this is crazy. And

00:25:51.809 --> 00:25:56.559
I just instantly, I was back in my body. And

00:25:56.559 --> 00:26:00.180
then I tried it again and again. I never really...

00:26:00.180 --> 00:26:02.220
Were you able to verify there were bunk beds

00:26:02.220 --> 00:26:04.539
above you? I was just about to get there. Okay.

00:26:04.619 --> 00:26:12.839
A few months later, a leak starts happening into

00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:16.200
our apartment from the upstairs apartment around

00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:20.859
one of the radiators. Oh. So... And I'm like,

00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:22.700
oh, geez, I got to go tell them. So I go upstairs.

00:26:22.779 --> 00:26:25.599
I knock on the door and young girl answers. And

00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:28.440
I was like, yeah, I was like, your radiator is

00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:30.319
leaking. It's coming into our into our bedroom

00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:33.700
down here. She's like, oh, which one? I was like,

00:26:33.700 --> 00:26:35.539
I was like, it's somewhere over there. She's

00:26:35.539 --> 00:26:37.519
like, is it this one? There was like one in the

00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:39.299
kitchen. I was like, no, it's got to be. She's

00:26:39.299 --> 00:26:41.420
like, well, show me like see if you can show

00:26:41.420 --> 00:26:43.440
me where it is. So she brings me and I go into

00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:45.849
the next room. It's a bedroom. There's a bunk

00:26:45.849 --> 00:26:49.369
bed there. I was like, it's the radiator right

00:26:49.369 --> 00:26:53.329
there. Thanks for letting me. I mean, what are

00:26:53.329 --> 00:26:56.269
the chances of me having an opportunity? Why

00:26:56.269 --> 00:26:58.769
would I go into my upstairs neighbor's apartment

00:26:58.769 --> 00:27:02.069
ever or get invited in? I think I would have

00:27:02.069 --> 00:27:07.730
tried to. Yeah. Hey, do you have bunk beds? Weird

00:27:07.730 --> 00:27:13.000
question. Yeah, that could go either way, though,

00:27:13.180 --> 00:27:16.099
maybe. Yeah, exactly. I do realize there was

00:27:16.099 --> 00:27:17.680
another weird thing that happened here that I

00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:21.140
never thought was weird. But it only really happened

00:27:21.140 --> 00:27:25.319
around here. We would, and my friend Dave called

00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:28.720
them horseflies. And they were flies, but they

00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:32.940
were easily like two inches long. And they looked

00:27:32.940 --> 00:27:35.960
like regular houseflies, except they had pinchers

00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:40.559
on the end. And he said, oh, yeah, they're horseflies.

00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:42.579
Those pinchers are to break through the horse

00:27:42.579 --> 00:27:47.460
skin, which made sense, you know, sure. I had

00:27:47.460 --> 00:27:49.740
never seen anything like this. I moved here from

00:27:49.740 --> 00:27:52.160
Long Island. Horseflies were just slightly bigger

00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.079
than regular flies. Yeah. And so we'd see them

00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:57.740
up here. We'd be walking along, and they'd just

00:27:57.740 --> 00:28:00.200
zoom around us. And you'd hear them. They'd be

00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:04.299
like, meh, meh. And you'd be like, oh, boy. Never

00:28:04.299 --> 00:28:06.539
got bitten by any of them. And he said, oh, if

00:28:06.539 --> 00:28:08.240
they bite, they hurt real bad. I don't think

00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:10.539
he ever got bitten by one. There was one that

00:28:10.539 --> 00:28:13.720
landed on his back at one point. And as we were

00:28:13.720 --> 00:28:15.180
walking through the woods, and at some point

00:28:15.180 --> 00:28:17.119
I drifted behind him a little. I'm like, oh,

00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.539
dude, there's one on your back. And he's like,

00:28:19.539 --> 00:28:21.759
what? And he reaches back and grabs it. And the

00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:24.839
thing freaks out and flies off. And he's screaming

00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:29.519
and running. But, like, it wasn't until someone

00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:34.319
said, those don't exist. And I'm like, what do

00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:35.660
you mean they don't exist? And I started looking

00:28:35.660 --> 00:28:38.460
online. I'm like, oh, the closest thing I can

00:28:38.460 --> 00:28:41.740
find is a timber fly that do not exist in this

00:28:41.740 --> 00:28:44.920
area. It's too cold for them. And they have the

00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:48.220
mandibles to eat through wood. So I don't know

00:28:48.220 --> 00:28:50.359
what those were, but I've only ever saw them

00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:54.250
up here. And that's huge for a... for a horsefly.

00:28:54.309 --> 00:28:56.630
Yes. That's not a horsefly. Well, now I know.

00:28:56.730 --> 00:28:58.789
Yeah, yeah. We didn't have the internet back

00:28:58.789 --> 00:29:00.569
then. He told me they're horseflies. Sure, they're

00:29:00.569 --> 00:29:02.930
horseflies. That makes sense. Right. You guys

00:29:02.930 --> 00:29:04.869
just had bigger horseflies than we did on Long

00:29:04.869 --> 00:29:09.670
Island. Wow. And I haven't had anyone else tell

00:29:09.670 --> 00:29:13.750
me they saw them. That's really weird because

00:29:13.750 --> 00:29:17.289
just the variety of weird things you've seen

00:29:17.289 --> 00:29:19.279
up here. Well, the variety of weird things that's

00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:22.420
happened in my life. Okay, yeah. But yeah, like

00:29:22.420 --> 00:29:23.940
that, and that was saying, like I said, I never

00:29:23.940 --> 00:29:26.240
thought that was weird. Right. Like it was a

00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:28.680
funny story that he grabbed it. Uh -huh. But

00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:30.460
I mean, when you were talking about over there

00:29:30.460 --> 00:29:31.799
by the mountains, we would hike through that

00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:33.599
area. There were like hunting trails and stuff.

00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:36.420
And I remember walking down one of the hunting

00:29:36.420 --> 00:29:41.369
trails and it's just circling us. What? And we're

00:29:41.369 --> 00:29:43.869
like, what? Oh, don't come over to us. You know,

00:29:43.910 --> 00:29:46.970
we were both petrified of being bitten by one

00:29:46.970 --> 00:29:49.710
because the things on them were so big. Yep.

00:29:50.569 --> 00:29:56.390
Yeah. And it's the usually if you hear stories

00:29:56.390 --> 00:30:00.049
of cemeteries, it's shadow people or, you know,

00:30:00.089 --> 00:30:04.720
apparition moving or whatever. But the things

00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:08.079
that you've experienced here, it's none of those

00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:10.380
things. It's just like this is a place where

00:30:10.380 --> 00:30:13.920
just weird things can happen. Monkeys and trees

00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:18.500
and giant horse -like creatures. Like, I don't

00:30:18.500 --> 00:30:22.160
know, monkey -esque something. Something at least

00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:26.859
masquerading as a monkey. Yes. Yeah, that's really,

00:30:26.980 --> 00:30:30.000
that's... really insane the fact that i forgot

00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:31.900
all about that is even more insane if i hadn't

00:30:31.900 --> 00:30:33.799
written it down i wouldn't ever have remembered

00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:36.000
that yeah and then i would have made the connection

00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.599
that oh all this happened in like a week yeah

00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:43.140
yeah well it sort of reminds me a little bit

00:30:43.140 --> 00:30:45.880
of uh like when you find out later is when i

00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:47.900
was when i was a kid i was probably eight nine

00:30:47.900 --> 00:30:51.259
years old i was fascinated with space and nasa

00:30:51.259 --> 00:30:53.259
and ufos and stuff and i grew up in a little

00:30:53.259 --> 00:30:56.960
town and Once in a while in the summer, I would

00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.359
go to the nearby volunteer fire department. There

00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.640
was a baseball field there or a softball field.

00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:08.440
And I would go there and just I'd go out to like

00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:11.099
behind second base, like near center field. And

00:31:11.099 --> 00:31:13.079
I would lay down in the middle of this field

00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:15.539
and just look at the stars and just lay there

00:31:15.539 --> 00:31:19.119
for, I don't know, half hour, an hour. And just,

00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:22.140
you know, maybe I'll see a maybe I'll see a UFO.

00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:25.660
Maybe I'll see a. something in space like I wonder

00:31:25.660 --> 00:31:27.519
what's how far away that is and I would just

00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:29.700
sit there and kind of let my mind wander and

00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:33.059
one night I was laying there and all of a sudden

00:31:33.059 --> 00:31:37.059
I saw um coming across the just coming across

00:31:37.059 --> 00:31:40.339
the sky like from left to right there was a at

00:31:40.339 --> 00:31:42.160
first it looked like a star but it was moving

00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:45.519
and it was like moving um kind of quickly you

00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:47.859
know it took maybe a second to get across the

00:31:47.859 --> 00:31:51.819
sky and I was and I And then it moved and then

00:31:51.819 --> 00:31:55.259
it started slowing down. And then all of a sudden

00:31:55.259 --> 00:31:58.859
it darted off at like a 90 degree angle. And

00:31:58.859 --> 00:32:04.980
in my nine year old mind, I was like. Wow, I

00:32:04.980 --> 00:32:08.640
just saw a shooting star. I saw a comet or a

00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.420
meteor. Maybe it was a meteor that hit the Earth's

00:32:11.420 --> 00:32:14.619
atmosphere and bounced off the atmosphere. I

00:32:14.619 --> 00:32:17.740
was like, wow, that's great. I went home. I told

00:32:17.740 --> 00:32:19.359
my parents. I'm like, I saw a meteor. It bounced

00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:20.940
off the atmosphere. They're like, yeah, that's

00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:25.079
great. Cool. I would think your nine -year -old

00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:27.960
body would go right to spaceship. But it didn't.

00:32:27.980 --> 00:32:32.599
That didn't even enter my mind. friends and they

00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:35.500
were like okay yeah cool you saw i saw a real

00:32:35.500 --> 00:32:39.119
shooting star meteor or something um and it wasn't

00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:44.079
until i was like probably 13 or 14 i was in science

00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:49.640
class and we were talking about comets or meteors

00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.579
or whatever and uh has anybody ever seen a shooting

00:32:52.579 --> 00:32:54.900
star i was like yeah i have and i explained it

00:32:54.900 --> 00:32:56.559
to my teacher he's like oh what did it look like

00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:58.440
i was like well in here and then it slowed down

00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:00.019
and it shot off in the other direction when it

00:33:00.019 --> 00:33:02.440
bounced off the atmosphere And the teacher just

00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:04.940
looked at me and was like, I don't think that

00:33:04.940 --> 00:33:07.960
was a meteor or a shooting star. I was like,

00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:10.960
oh, what was it? He's like, I don't know, but

00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:14.259
it wasn't that. And then we just like moved on

00:33:14.259 --> 00:33:17.240
to the next lesson. I sat there going, I don't

00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:19.039
know what, well, then what could it have been?

00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:20.819
And then it just suddenly it hit me. I was like,

00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:26.660
oh, I saw a UFO. But for years I didn't, I, yeah,

00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:29.059
I just thought it was, I thought I had seen something.

00:33:29.900 --> 00:33:32.740
pretty uh mundane yeah until i mentioned the

00:33:32.740 --> 00:33:35.099
flies and where did the road go and people are

00:33:35.099 --> 00:33:41.480
like that's not a thing that's not a thing yeah

00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:46.579
all right so um um the last thing i wanted to

00:33:46.579 --> 00:33:51.720
uh to talk about here related to this spot is

00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:55.680
another little fun fact that i discovered um

00:33:56.619 --> 00:33:58.839
Aside from my interest in earthworks, I'm also

00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:04.039
interested in ley lines, the earth grid. And

00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:07.359
for people who, or whatever people want to call

00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:11.579
them, spirit paths. But the concept of ley lines

00:34:11.579 --> 00:34:17.739
is that there are energy lines around the world

00:34:17.739 --> 00:34:24.400
that encircle the whole globe. They can be, you

00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:29.400
know, in a small area. They expand around the

00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:34.340
whole planet. And along these lines, you'll find

00:34:34.340 --> 00:34:42.820
significant landscape, whether it's, you know,

00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:48.099
lakes or rivers or mountains. But also sacred

00:34:48.099 --> 00:34:54.469
sites, ancient earth mounds. I know the theory

00:34:54.469 --> 00:34:57.010
of ley lines started with Alfred Watkins in England,

00:34:57.050 --> 00:35:02.769
and he started realizing, oh, all these old mounds

00:35:02.769 --> 00:35:06.369
and earthen and stone structures here in England,

00:35:06.409 --> 00:35:09.530
if you look at them on a map, they kind of line

00:35:09.530 --> 00:35:14.190
up, and they'll line up with churches. And so,

00:35:14.289 --> 00:35:18.989
yeah, churches, landscape, sacred sites in the

00:35:18.989 --> 00:35:22.960
landscape. sacred sites that are more ancient

00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:29.619
yeah um i don't know what exactly it means i

00:35:29.619 --> 00:35:33.420
mean i'm not i just don't know but i i i see

00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:36.500
them i see i see where it where it makes sense

00:35:36.500 --> 00:35:39.840
um when you see these laid out on a map some

00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:41.840
people say well it's just because that's what

00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:44.239
we want to see we want to make We want to make

00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:46.659
sense of these things or we want to see magic

00:35:46.659 --> 00:35:48.920
where it's not actually there. And you can just

00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:50.940
draw lines anywhere around the world and connect

00:35:50.940 --> 00:35:54.239
places. And I suppose that's true. But I kind

00:35:54.239 --> 00:36:00.559
of figure even if I'm sitting around looking

00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:04.780
at a map and staring and obsessing about sacred

00:36:04.780 --> 00:36:07.420
sites and landscape and going out and exploring

00:36:07.420 --> 00:36:09.960
the landscape myself, that's still a pretty good

00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:14.150
hobby. That's not a bad way to spend your time,

00:36:14.230 --> 00:36:16.610
to just have that kind of curiosity and wonder

00:36:16.610 --> 00:36:18.789
about the world. And it doesn't mean it's not

00:36:18.789 --> 00:36:21.449
a lot, you know, there's not something to it

00:36:21.449 --> 00:36:23.690
just because you can do it to anything. Right,

00:36:23.690 --> 00:36:30.530
right. So in my, as I was investigating and just

00:36:30.530 --> 00:36:31.989
looking at different things about Seneca Lake,

00:36:32.090 --> 00:36:36.559
I... I found a website that has I'll put the

00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:38.300
link in the description because I can't remember

00:36:38.300 --> 00:36:40.860
the name of it right now. But it's a website.

00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:45.940
It's an awesome website that has mapping of the

00:36:45.940 --> 00:36:51.000
whole globe. It has ley lines. It has electromagnetic

00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:55.400
anomalies. There's like multiple maps that you

00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:58.079
can overlay on it. And when it comes to ley lines,

00:36:58.179 --> 00:37:01.139
too, there's like different categories of ley

00:37:01.139 --> 00:37:04.050
lines. There's like different. groups of people

00:37:04.050 --> 00:37:07.130
throughout time who've um who've come up with

00:37:07.130 --> 00:37:11.429
their own earth grid and um so there's there's

00:37:11.429 --> 00:37:13.590
a lot of different uh a lot of different ley

00:37:13.590 --> 00:37:16.530
lines you can look at on there so i got curious

00:37:16.530 --> 00:37:18.469
i said i wonder if there are any like major ley

00:37:18.469 --> 00:37:21.170
lines coming through the seneca lake area um

00:37:21.170 --> 00:37:27.309
there's one that's on the uh west side of the

00:37:27.309 --> 00:37:30.889
lake that's um actually called the washington

00:37:30.889 --> 00:37:34.949
meridian so it's at the 77th meridian and it's

00:37:34.949 --> 00:37:38.269
the the state cat or the national capital the

00:37:38.269 --> 00:37:41.369
u .s capital uh supposedly has this ley line

00:37:41.369 --> 00:37:44.510
running through it and this line goes all the

00:37:44.510 --> 00:37:47.449
way around the globe and it runs along the the

00:37:47.449 --> 00:37:51.809
west side of seneca lake um pretty straight north

00:37:51.809 --> 00:37:56.650
south and but that's not the one i was going

00:37:56.650 --> 00:38:00.900
to talk about now the other one i found is a

00:38:00.900 --> 00:38:06.840
ley line that's called, there's two ley lines

00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:11.360
that are called 45 degrees from Giza. So it's

00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:14.619
the Great Pyramid. So if you're looking at the

00:38:14.619 --> 00:38:17.579
Great Pyramid from above it, it would look like

00:38:17.579 --> 00:38:22.500
a square. And then the edges would... the four

00:38:22.500 --> 00:38:25.019
edges of the, of the pyramid would like make

00:38:25.019 --> 00:38:27.619
an X. Like if you're looking from the top of

00:38:27.619 --> 00:38:31.019
the pyramid. So each of those lines in the X

00:38:31.019 --> 00:38:35.300
would be the 45 degree ley lines from Giza. Um,

00:38:35.460 --> 00:38:40.139
one of the, one of the lines, 45 degree ley lines,

00:38:40.219 --> 00:38:46.119
um, runs around the globe and it runs very close

00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:49.239
to here. Now the thing about these, especially

00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:51.059
when you're talking about global ley lines, like

00:38:51.059 --> 00:38:57.380
not, And people speculate that these ley lines,

00:38:57.500 --> 00:39:00.000
especially the big powerful ones on Earth, are

00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.679
miles wide, you know, maybe four or five miles

00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:06.940
wide. So I started looking to see if there were

00:39:06.940 --> 00:39:09.539
any spots that were within like, you know, a

00:39:09.539 --> 00:39:12.139
mile or two of the center of that line. And it

00:39:12.139 --> 00:39:16.840
turns out that this Giza ley line runs. i mean

00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:19.000
less than a quarter mile from where we're sitting

00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.599
right now um it goes kind of it's it's at an

00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:27.320
angle going uh going north to south um like north

00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:31.900
northeast to southwest through this area and

00:39:31.900 --> 00:39:38.139
it also touches the the bottom uh corner of the

00:39:38.139 --> 00:39:43.039
seneca army depot which is where uh the nuclear

00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:45.920
materials were stored for the manhattan project

00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:54.579
um now this ley line uh also as it extends so

00:39:54.579 --> 00:39:56.719
if we go from here and we extend across seneca

00:39:56.719 --> 00:40:01.559
lake it goes right by a old earth mound site

00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:06.440
in the town of milo near uh kiuka lake it goes

00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:11.539
right through The Bluff Point Stoneworks on Keuka

00:40:11.539 --> 00:40:14.860
Lake. Have you heard of those? No. Bluff Point

00:40:14.860 --> 00:40:21.139
was a seven -acre site. Keuka Lake is kind of

00:40:21.139 --> 00:40:23.219
a Y shape, so it's like right in the middle of

00:40:23.219 --> 00:40:26.639
the Y. On the top of this bluff, it's a beautiful

00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:30.340
spot. You get a great view of the whole area.

00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:34.039
This place was discovered, whatever, in the 1800s.

00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:37.400
It's completely removed. It's gone. Totally.

00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:39.920
Like there's nothing left of it. But when it

00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:45.340
existed, it was seven acres in size and it had

00:40:45.340 --> 00:40:48.559
stone pathways that were running through the

00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:52.719
site. Some of them were eight feet wide, a foot

00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:56.519
high. They were made of stone that were almost

00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:59.199
in a grid like pattern. There were big vertical

00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:03.579
slabs like stonehenge like slabs of stone and

00:41:03.579 --> 00:41:08.360
circles of boulders. all around this site uh

00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:11.119
and then in between the vertus in some of the

00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:15.199
inside the vertical slabs there were more slabs

00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:18.619
that were like the floor they're all gone man

00:41:18.619 --> 00:41:25.940
and it was even at the time the the archaeologists

00:41:25.940 --> 00:41:28.260
and scientists who looked at it said there's

00:41:28.260 --> 00:41:30.679
nothing like this in the northeast we don't know

00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:33.760
how something this big not necessarily in the

00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:36.719
northeast like i think um America Stonehenge

00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:40.099
is out in New Hampshire, I believe. Yeah, something

00:41:40.099 --> 00:41:42.340
like that. Somewhere in New England. So there's

00:41:42.340 --> 00:41:46.480
some bigger stonework sites, but this site is,

00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:51.139
you don't find this in New York State or Pennsylvania

00:41:51.139 --> 00:41:53.760
or anywhere like that. Are there pictures? No,

00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:58.800
there's some old, there's old drawings, you know,

00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:06.059
like from up above them. But no, there's nothing

00:42:06.059 --> 00:42:11.079
left of them. And that must have, I mean, the

00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:13.239
amount of effort it must have taken them to remove

00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:14.980
those. I think it's all, the land is all being

00:42:14.980 --> 00:42:18.480
farmed now. So I'm sure, I mean, it was prime

00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:20.980
farmland, I'm sure, just because it was so far

00:42:20.980 --> 00:42:26.699
up there. So anyway, that ley line comes through

00:42:26.699 --> 00:42:32.360
here. It goes by the mound in Milo. The Bluff

00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:35.619
Point Stoneworks. Then it goes further. So I

00:42:35.619 --> 00:42:41.760
was looking at this on this website, and it's

00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:44.559
really cool to see how many sites are on there.

00:42:44.780 --> 00:42:49.760
So it goes through Ohio, and Ohio has tons of

00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.199
earthworks around the whole state. You could

00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.960
spend months there to try to see them all. Wasn't

00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:58.099
the Serpent Mound in Ohio? Yes. This ley line

00:42:58.099 --> 00:43:01.340
goes by Serpent Mound. It goes by the Fort Hill

00:43:01.340 --> 00:43:05.639
Earthworks, which are mounds and barrows, which

00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:10.179
are like earthen walls that are up on a bluff.

00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:16.539
The Newark Earthworks, which were circular earthworks

00:43:16.539 --> 00:43:22.829
that had openings, earthen barrows. walls that

00:43:22.829 --> 00:43:25.550
were built, uh, similar to the one that used

00:43:25.550 --> 00:43:28.449
to be an Ovid. There used to be a, like a three

00:43:28.449 --> 00:43:32.610
acre, um, circular mound structure in overly.

00:43:32.730 --> 00:43:36.230
That was, yeah, that was, um, and when they found

00:43:36.230 --> 00:43:40.170
that in the 1800s, they said that it was, it

00:43:40.170 --> 00:43:44.070
was covered with trees, like large, old, mature

00:43:44.070 --> 00:43:47.889
trees were running along the top of this thing.

00:43:47.989 --> 00:43:54.000
So it was old. Um, And that's completely gone.

00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:57.059
But yeah, so the Newark Earthworks, Fort Hill

00:43:57.059 --> 00:43:59.559
Serpent Mound. You go a little further on this

00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:02.340
ley line, Mammoth Cave National Park in Kentucky,

00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:06.599
which is the world's longest cave. It's got 367

00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:12.739
miles that have been mapped in these caves. La

00:44:12.739 --> 00:44:17.000
Cameda Archaeological Site in New Mexico, or

00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:22.230
no, in Mexico, which is from... 300 to 1200 AD,

00:44:22.369 --> 00:44:25.289
a ceremonial fortress complex, stone walls and

00:44:25.289 --> 00:44:29.650
columns. Then around the other side of the planet

00:44:29.650 --> 00:44:32.150
in Yemen, there's throne of Queen Sheba, the

00:44:32.150 --> 00:44:36.449
barren temple, which is intricate. It's got intricate

00:44:36.449 --> 00:44:39.369
carvings, stone columns. It's a whole complex.

00:44:39.650 --> 00:44:43.690
The kingdom of Saba, which is ancient South Arabia.

00:44:44.489 --> 00:44:46.809
It's got seven landmarks on the World Heritage

00:44:46.809 --> 00:44:51.480
Site list. the city of Mecca, the holiest city

00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:58.940
in, in Islam. Oh, and back here, back here in

00:44:58.940 --> 00:45:01.219
New York state, Mount Marcy is on that light

00:45:01.219 --> 00:45:03.739
line, which is Mount Marcy is the largest mountain

00:45:03.739 --> 00:45:07.699
in New York state. Oh, okay. But I think one

00:45:07.699 --> 00:45:09.280
of my favorite places, which I hadn't even heard

00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:11.320
about until I was, until I was looking into this

00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:15.309
is Mount, Mount. I want to say this right. It's

00:45:15.309 --> 00:45:17.750
an Italian name. It's in Turin, Italy, where

00:45:17.750 --> 00:45:20.110
the Shroud of Turin was found. It's called Mount

00:45:20.110 --> 00:45:25.329
Mucine. It's a mountain that has had tons of

00:45:25.329 --> 00:45:29.050
UFO sightings over the years. And, you know,

00:45:29.050 --> 00:45:32.130
people, the locals like know it as a as a powerful

00:45:32.130 --> 00:45:37.869
spot. And at some point there was a like this

00:45:37.869 --> 00:45:41.630
tall slab. I don't know if it was stone or metal

00:45:41.630 --> 00:45:45.349
that just showed up. And they call it a stele,

00:45:45.369 --> 00:45:49.789
S -T -E -L -E. A stele, yeah. And it was put

00:45:49.789 --> 00:45:52.750
up and it has this inscription on it, these words

00:45:52.750 --> 00:45:56.489
on it written in Italian. And nobody knew who

00:45:56.489 --> 00:46:00.889
put it there. At one point, the authorities came

00:46:00.889 --> 00:46:03.789
in, they removed it, and then it just... mysteriously

00:46:03.789 --> 00:46:07.670
reappeared it's still there um nobody knows where

00:46:07.670 --> 00:46:10.250
it came from uh the local people believe that

00:46:10.250 --> 00:46:13.570
huge streams of energy pass from the slab into

00:46:13.570 --> 00:46:19.710
the city of turin um but the uh but i love the

00:46:19.710 --> 00:46:21.630
inscription that's on it so here's the here's

00:46:21.630 --> 00:46:24.889
the inscription that is translated into english

00:46:24.889 --> 00:46:29.710
it says here is the antenna of the seven electrodynamic

00:46:29.710 --> 00:46:32.559
points through which With its living, glowing

00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:35.920
core, the entire earth breathes, gives life.

00:46:36.500 --> 00:46:41.280
Here operate the astral entities that were Hatshepsut,

00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:47.179
Eknaton, Christ, Buddha, Muhammad, Abraham, Confucius,

00:46:47.179 --> 00:46:50.320
Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Francis of Assisi,

00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:53.639
and even you, if you want to build brotherhood

00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:56.659
among all nations, think about it intensively

00:46:56.659 --> 00:47:00.340
for three minutes. Thought is construction. Nice.

00:47:01.820 --> 00:47:09.119
Yeah, that's a nice one. So a lot of talking

00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:14.119
for me there. Have you checked if there's any

00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:17.239
fault lines running along here? I have not. Because

00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:19.699
UFO sightings and orb sightings generally follow

00:47:19.699 --> 00:47:23.239
fault lines. So some of them are earthquake lights.

00:47:23.900 --> 00:47:25.559
Pressure in the rocks, I mean, this has been

00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:29.760
semi -proven. But obviously they also, you have

00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:33.619
what might be intelligent plasma. Because I'm

00:47:33.619 --> 00:47:35.019
pretty sure there's one running on the Cayuga

00:47:35.019 --> 00:47:37.280
Lake that runs down through Elmira and ends up

00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:42.579
in the Long Island Sound. Okay. So, but I'm wondering

00:47:42.579 --> 00:47:44.360
if there's more. Because at some point someone

00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:46.699
told me that New York State is crisscrossed in

00:47:46.699 --> 00:47:53.019
small fault lines. Yeah, it very well may be.

00:47:53.610 --> 00:47:55.469
I know that was one of the theories they had

00:47:55.469 --> 00:47:57.409
for the Seneca drums, too, but then they said

00:47:57.409 --> 00:48:01.050
that there were no fault lines running underneath

00:48:01.050 --> 00:48:05.329
the lake. And New York State's just, I mean,

00:48:05.349 --> 00:48:08.469
when you look at the history of weird stuff in

00:48:08.469 --> 00:48:10.449
New York State, I mean, Whitley Strieber had

00:48:10.449 --> 00:48:14.070
his first encounters in communion in upstate

00:48:14.070 --> 00:48:16.969
New York. The Seth material was channeled in

00:48:16.969 --> 00:48:21.070
Envira, New York. What's the religion there?

00:48:21.090 --> 00:48:25.150
The Mormons started in... Is that also Palmyra?

00:48:25.250 --> 00:48:27.750
Palmyra. That's right. You had the Fox sisters

00:48:27.750 --> 00:48:31.329
just outside of Rochester starting the whole

00:48:31.329 --> 00:48:34.369
spiritualism movement. And it's just like, there's

00:48:34.369 --> 00:48:37.690
just one thing after another. Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

00:48:37.789 --> 00:48:40.449
And I mentioned this on your show, but Seneca

00:48:40.449 --> 00:48:43.929
Lake, in the early Mormon church, Joseph Smith,

00:48:43.969 --> 00:48:46.750
there was Joseph Smith and one other man. I can't

00:48:46.750 --> 00:48:48.610
remember his name. They were the founders and

00:48:48.610 --> 00:48:52.449
they. Moved to Waterloo to Peter Whitmer's farm.

00:48:52.590 --> 00:48:55.369
They were translating their golden tablets. And

00:48:55.369 --> 00:48:58.230
like the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh,

00:48:58.269 --> 00:49:02.170
eighth Mormons ever were baptized in Seneca Lake.

00:49:02.429 --> 00:49:05.989
So, yeah, Seneca Lake ties into that too as well.

00:49:06.030 --> 00:49:07.929
And as Jacques Vallée has pointed out, a lot

00:49:07.929 --> 00:49:10.369
of what formed the Mormon religion sounds very

00:49:10.369 --> 00:49:14.980
UFO related. Yes. Yes. Which is why he started

00:49:14.980 --> 00:49:17.000
formulating all this stuff as a control system

00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:22.320
of some sorts. Yes. Right. Yep. Yeah. Passport

00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.679
to Magonia was when I read that, that's that's

00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:28.719
still like one of the handful of books that just

00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:31.280
when I finished it, it gave me a buzz because

00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:34.780
I didn't I didn't know. I didn't even consider

00:49:34.780 --> 00:49:37.260
any of that stuff. Like I was into UFOs. No one

00:49:37.260 --> 00:49:38.860
really did. The only other person that was close

00:49:38.860 --> 00:49:43.099
was John Keel. Mm hmm. Yep. And for me, I read

00:49:43.099 --> 00:49:46.340
Dimensions first. And Dimensions, it's that taken

00:49:46.340 --> 00:49:50.519
a lot further because he's including apparitions

00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:52.400
of the Virgin Mary and things like that. And

00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:54.900
he's showing like, yeah, the archetype is the

00:49:54.900 --> 00:50:00.780
same. Right, right. And like the biggest takeaway

00:50:00.780 --> 00:50:03.579
I got from it, like I said, I was interested

00:50:03.579 --> 00:50:06.780
in UFOs and what are they? And I kept seeing

00:50:06.780 --> 00:50:08.940
the name of this book, Passport to Megonia. And

00:50:08.940 --> 00:50:14.699
what it gave me is this understanding that these

00:50:14.699 --> 00:50:18.960
are universal human experiences that go on everywhere

00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:21.679
and they've been going on, they've been happening

00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:28.110
forever. And it's... feel supernatural but it's

00:50:28.110 --> 00:50:31.610
it's normal it's like well that's it there and

00:50:31.610 --> 00:50:33.389
i can't remember who said it i want to say it

00:50:33.389 --> 00:50:35.650
was jack hunter the uh anthropologist from the

00:50:35.650 --> 00:50:40.449
uk said that these are rare experiences it's

00:50:40.449 --> 00:50:42.869
like it's not that they're supernatural or right

00:50:42.869 --> 00:50:45.409
it's just that they're very rare experiences

00:50:45.409 --> 00:50:48.530
you don't have them all the time and then you

00:50:48.530 --> 00:50:51.190
know i know other people who have had a variety

00:50:51.190 --> 00:50:55.449
experiences like me and like still haven't quite

00:50:55.449 --> 00:50:58.809
figured out what that dynamic is. Like it could

00:50:58.809 --> 00:51:01.769
be that some people just ignore them. And of

00:51:01.769 --> 00:51:03.230
course, if you start paying attention to the

00:51:03.230 --> 00:51:05.230
stuff, you get more of it. But is it that you

00:51:05.230 --> 00:51:07.010
get more of it or you're just noticing more of

00:51:07.010 --> 00:51:10.949
it? Good question. Good question. Yeah, and that's

00:51:10.949 --> 00:51:14.130
absolutely true is that if you're paying attention

00:51:14.130 --> 00:51:18.909
to it. But I agree that people just don't...

00:51:18.909 --> 00:51:23.179
People just make... come up with a prosaic explanation

00:51:23.179 --> 00:51:26.099
for something weird that just happened, and they

00:51:26.099 --> 00:51:28.760
move on with their lives because it's not supposed

00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:32.940
to happen. It's not supposed to happen. And we've

00:51:32.940 --> 00:51:34.539
talked about this many times on Where the Road

00:51:34.539 --> 00:51:38.119
Goes. How much data have we lost because someone

00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:40.719
had a Bigfoot sighting followed by a UFO sighting?

00:51:40.969 --> 00:51:43.230
And they only report one of them because they're

00:51:43.230 --> 00:51:45.730
like, no, one of them's crazy enough. If I tell

00:51:45.730 --> 00:51:47.510
them I had both, they're really not going to

00:51:47.510 --> 00:51:50.289
believe me. Yes. When in reality, that's more

00:51:50.289 --> 00:51:52.309
likely that people are going to have repeated

00:51:52.309 --> 00:51:56.630
experiences than not. Right. It's when someone

00:51:56.630 --> 00:51:58.570
has one. I mean, most people have had at least

00:51:58.570 --> 00:52:01.170
one weird experience. Like even even the people

00:52:01.170 --> 00:52:04.409
I know who are like, I know nothing. Well, there's

00:52:04.409 --> 00:52:08.429
that one thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. and kind of

00:52:08.429 --> 00:52:10.949
saw a ufo and it's like all right there it is

00:52:10.949 --> 00:52:15.409
yeah and even even uh like just coincidences

00:52:15.409 --> 00:52:18.010
just you know things i i think everybody's had

00:52:18.010 --> 00:52:20.110
those kinds of yeah just about everybody's had

00:52:20.110 --> 00:52:21.969
those kind of experiences where you're you know

00:52:21.969 --> 00:52:24.210
halfway across the country and like all of a

00:52:24.210 --> 00:52:25.889
sudden you run into somebody that you knew from

00:52:25.889 --> 00:52:28.150
high school or whatever like what are you doing

00:52:28.150 --> 00:52:31.989
here you know those kind of experiences are they're

00:52:31.989 --> 00:52:35.920
not supernatural but they're They're weird. They

00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:38.119
make you question how things are connected. Yeah.

00:52:38.260 --> 00:52:44.099
Yeah. Yep. But what I also liked about that steel

00:52:44.099 --> 00:52:52.519
of Mount Musina was just this encouragement to

00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:57.500
people to do this, to think this way yourself,

00:52:57.739 --> 00:53:02.079
to change the way you think. Stop thinking of

00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:04.809
other people as the enemy. Mm -hmm. And you can

00:53:04.809 --> 00:53:13.469
use these energies and these forces for good.

00:53:13.670 --> 00:53:16.829
And that's the other thing that I just wonder

00:53:16.829 --> 00:53:19.650
about these mounds as far as just like, what

00:53:19.650 --> 00:53:21.789
do they mean? And these earthworks and these

00:53:21.789 --> 00:53:26.329
ancient sites, like, what do they mean? And I

00:53:26.329 --> 00:53:29.510
feel like there's something we can learn from

00:53:29.510 --> 00:53:35.219
these old sites. Especially the ones, not that

00:53:35.219 --> 00:53:37.719
we can't, I mean, obviously, if you go to Giza

00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:40.760
or South America and you see these massive pyramids,

00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:44.900
there's plenty to be learned from those. But

00:53:44.900 --> 00:53:47.980
these earthworks, there's something else about

00:53:47.980 --> 00:53:51.460
them. And I think that just recognizing them

00:53:51.460 --> 00:53:54.900
and talking about them is a positive thing. And

00:53:54.900 --> 00:53:58.199
maybe it helps get a little closer to... It's

00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:01.019
also possible that the people who built these...

00:54:01.460 --> 00:54:03.659
conceived reality completely different than we

00:54:03.659 --> 00:54:07.159
do so we're trying to fit them into how we perceive

00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:09.960
reality whereas they did not i mean when you

00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:12.019
look at the great pyramid i mean any of those

00:54:12.019 --> 00:54:15.099
big the pyramids on giza i was just talking to

00:54:15.099 --> 00:54:16.679
the brothers of the serpent about this recently

00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:19.659
like you walk away with more questions than answers

00:54:19.659 --> 00:54:22.099
yeah you know like oh it could be this or it

00:54:22.099 --> 00:54:23.719
could be this or it could be this but none of

00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:26.559
them actually fully work we know it's not a tomb

00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:30.340
despite archaeology's insistence, or at least

00:54:30.340 --> 00:54:34.980
Egyptology's insistence. But what is it? And

00:54:34.980 --> 00:54:36.840
is it even something that we would think of?

00:54:36.900 --> 00:54:39.739
Because maybe the people who built it didn't

00:54:39.739 --> 00:54:43.179
think the same way we do. Yep, very true. And

00:54:43.179 --> 00:54:47.119
even, yeah, with these earthworks, for many,

00:54:47.219 --> 00:54:51.019
many, excuse me, it's only been the past maybe

00:54:51.019 --> 00:54:55.159
25, 30 years that it's become more accepted that

00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:57.420
they're... They're there for ceremonial use.

00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:00.079
Right. They were called fortresses forever. Yeah.

00:55:00.139 --> 00:55:01.679
You know, that's why, you know, there's Fort

00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:05.880
Hill in Auburn, Fort Hill, and you find a lot

00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:07.900
of these earthwork called Fort something. Yep.

00:55:08.380 --> 00:55:10.300
But they weren't forts. They weren't defensive,

00:55:10.420 --> 00:55:14.380
you know. The European mind looked at it and

00:55:14.380 --> 00:55:16.179
said, oh, you built a wall here and a wall here.

00:55:16.300 --> 00:55:18.900
You're trying to, it's for fighting. It's for

00:55:18.900 --> 00:55:21.679
protecting yourself from the enemy. And that's

00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:24.780
completely the opposite. And we dig stuff up

00:55:24.780 --> 00:55:27.420
and it's a temple. Yeah, right? Yes, that's right.

00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:29.920
Ancient people only made temples. Temples and

00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:37.079
tombs. Yep. So I have one thing, if you want

00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:40.440
to embrace a humorous moment. Absolutely. It

00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:41.940
has nothing to do with Willard, but it does have

00:55:41.940 --> 00:55:45.199
to do with Seneca Lake. Okay. Because I found

00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:48.239
this on, I think, a Geneva subreddit. Someone

00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:52.119
posted it. Okay. And it kind of killed me. All

00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:54.300
right. So they used to have a whale watch in

00:55:54.300 --> 00:55:56.840
Geneva. Yes. On Seneca Lake, which obviously

00:55:56.840 --> 00:55:59.440
does not have whales. Right. And so this guy

00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:01.739
wrote this. It says, Sunday, March 16, 2025,

00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:05.960
David Lewis, Dear Mayor Valentino, Ever since

00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:08.800
I was a young man, and by the way, it is typewritten.

00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:12.940
Oh. I was fantasized about watching whales at

00:56:12.940 --> 00:56:15.480
Seneca Lake. I once saw a man with a Seneca Lake

00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:17.519
whale watch Geneva, New York t -shirt. Never

00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:20.280
since I've been obsessed with witnessing a freshwater

00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:23.579
whale with my own two eyes. I would often save

00:56:23.579 --> 00:56:26.219
up my loose change during my youth to pay for

00:56:26.219 --> 00:56:28.719
a trip to the great city of Geneva, only for

00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:31.059
my father to steal my paltry savings just to

00:56:31.059 --> 00:56:34.230
buy rolling rock and gamble. Well, now I'm an

00:56:34.230 --> 00:56:36.630
adult, and with an adult job and adult freedoms,

00:56:36.869 --> 00:56:39.210
this past summer I decided it was high time to

00:56:39.210 --> 00:56:41.929
stop fantasizing and start doing. I drove to

00:56:41.929 --> 00:56:44.230
your great city. I sipped the wine from your

00:56:44.230 --> 00:56:46.210
surrounding vineyards and took in a show at your

00:56:46.210 --> 00:56:49.230
opera house. I mingled with your hippies. It

00:56:49.230 --> 00:56:51.869
was time to do what I came to do. It was time

00:56:51.869 --> 00:56:54.309
to see the whales. I found a park bench that

00:56:54.309 --> 00:56:56.110
was dedicated to the sport of whale watching.

00:56:56.389 --> 00:56:59.380
On it read a plaque. This bench reserved for

00:56:59.380 --> 00:57:02.079
whale watching. My excitement swelled as I took

00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:05.079
a seat, the hair on my arms standing on end in

00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:08.039
anticipation. For the show, I have waited 15

00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:10.679
years to witness. The first hour passed without

00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:13.880
a single breach. No problem, I told myself. I'm

00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:16.280
here at noon. Whales are most active in the morning,

00:57:16.380 --> 00:57:20.639
evening, and early evenings. I settled in. Two

00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:23.260
hours, I watched a couple in love pass by, seemingly

00:57:23.260 --> 00:57:26.679
too lost in amorous bliss to stop and whale watch

00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:30.340
with me. Still nothing. Four hours. I saw two

00:57:30.340 --> 00:57:33.320
squirrels fight for a place on a branch. One's

00:57:33.320 --> 00:57:37.940
pushing the other off in an act of attempted

00:57:37.940 --> 00:57:41.460
murder. Squirrels do not have a terminal velocity.

00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:45.059
Did I miss the whales during this distraction?

00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:47.880
I mustn't lose focus. Seven hours. It's getting

00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:51.119
dark. A homeless man sits next to me. I ask if

00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:53.619
he, too, is here to watch the whales. He looks

00:57:53.619 --> 00:57:56.659
at me as if I'm the drunk one, as if I'm the

00:57:56.659 --> 00:57:59.179
one who smells of schnapps and urine. He informs

00:57:59.179 --> 00:58:02.820
me there are no whales to be watched. Mr. Mayor,

00:58:02.980 --> 00:58:05.059
why would you allow such a lie to be promoted?

00:58:05.260 --> 00:58:08.000
My entire personality is now based on a fictional,

00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:12.300
specified... Oh, fictional... fictional species

00:58:12.300 --> 00:58:16.480
and I am now perceived as a lunatic. The humiliation

00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:19.219
is insurmountable. Please write back to inform

00:58:19.219 --> 00:58:21.539
me if there were ever any whales in Lake Seneca

00:58:21.539 --> 00:58:25.619
or if this is a generational lie. P .S. I have

00:58:25.619 --> 00:58:28.219
included a $1 bill to cover the cost of return

00:58:28.219 --> 00:58:31.099
postage. I am aware postage only costs 73 cents.

00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:34.480
Do not send the change back as it jams the UPS

00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:39.909
sorting machine. And he wrote this like it was

00:58:39.909 --> 00:58:43.469
1960. Right. That's pretty good. And apparently

00:58:43.469 --> 00:58:46.010
actually sent it to the mayor. Yeah, there used

00:58:46.010 --> 00:58:49.889
to be a whale watch in Geneva. Yeah, yeah. Yeah,

00:58:49.929 --> 00:58:53.610
well, imagine the humiliation of having your

00:58:53.610 --> 00:58:55.409
whole personality revolve around a Seneca Lake

00:58:55.409 --> 00:58:59.989
monster. Yeah, he's, I'm sure, making that up.

00:59:03.190 --> 00:59:05.889
I hope the mayor got a laugh out of it. Yeah,

00:59:05.929 --> 00:59:11.130
I hope so. That's a good one. So, man, thanks

00:59:11.130 --> 00:59:13.289
so much for doing this. This was a blast. Oh,

00:59:13.289 --> 00:59:15.650
absolutely. Yes, it was. So tell people everything,

00:59:15.829 --> 00:59:18.690
where they can find everything you do and all

00:59:18.690 --> 00:59:22.309
that. Well, wheretheroadgo .com is the best place.

00:59:23.590 --> 00:59:26.250
The other show is thelastexit .org. But if you

00:59:26.250 --> 00:59:29.670
go to wheretheroadgo .com, there's a link tree.

00:59:30.300 --> 00:59:33.239
and it links to all my photography stuff. Everything

00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:36.019
I do, it's all linked right there. All right.

00:59:36.300 --> 00:59:39.880
So all the music shows, all the YouTubes, all

00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:42.420
the social media sites, everything. All right.

00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:45.380
So everybody get out there and check out Soraya's

00:59:45.380 --> 00:59:48.980
stuff. Where Did the Road Go is right up my alley.

00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:51.599
I love the show, and I had the opportunity to

00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:55.099
be on it. That'll be put online sometime in the

00:59:55.099 --> 00:59:57.679
future. Sometime soon. I'm like four weeks behind

00:59:57.679 --> 01:00:00.400
putting shows up publicly. I'm very good at putting

01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:02.900
them up for patrons, but then I lag sometimes

01:00:02.900 --> 01:00:05.559
on the public broadcast, so it'll be up soon.

01:00:05.659 --> 01:00:09.280
Yeah, that happens. All right, so that's it.

01:00:09.860 --> 01:00:12.139
Thanks, everybody, for listening, and we're signing

01:00:12.139 --> 01:00:16.639
off here from this sacred site on the shore of

01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:20.320
Seneca Lake, Willard Cemetery. We'll see you

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next time. Well, that's it for this time around.

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I hope you enjoyed it. Thanks so much for listening,

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