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Welcome to Seneca Lake Mysteries. In this episode,

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I'll be introducing this new podcast and covering

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some intriguing and wild stories, including a

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search for hidden gold, giant whirlpools, bizarre

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creatures by the railroad tracks, April Fool's

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Day, terror on the water, a missing piece from

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a forgotten manuscript, and much more. So let's

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get into it. Hey everybody, welcome to Seneca

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Lake Mysteries, the podcast exploring the unusual,

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strange, and unexplained New York's largest finger

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lake. My name is Jim Meaney, and I've spent the

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past decade or so researching and collecting

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unusual, strange, and unexplained stories from

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the Seneca Lake region. Not just, you know, supernatural

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paranormal topics like lake monsters and UFOs

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and ghosts, but also... myths, legends, and curious

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or out -of -the -ordinary history, people, and

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places in the area. I'm lining up some great

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guests for the show in the coming weeks, and

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a new episode will be released on the 7th, 17th,

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and 27th of every month. If you have any feedback

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or questions or you have your own stories you'd

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like to share or maybe be a guest on the show,

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sending an email to podcast at SenecaLakeMysteries

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.com or calling the Seneca Lake Mysteries hotline

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and leaving a voicemail. And that number is 607

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-307 -1167. Now, I moved to the Geneva area.

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Actually, I moved to the city of Geneva in 2013.

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In 2014, I was in the midst of organizing a monthly...

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art and culture event, a first Friday event in

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downtown Geneva. And I was looking for themes.

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Each month would have a specific theme, whether

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it was a holiday that month or the season. And

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as I was researching themes, I came across a

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story of the Seneca Lake monster. And I was really

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excited to find out about it because cryptozoology

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and the unexplained have been interests of mine

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since I was a kid. I registered the website domain,

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SenecaLakeMonster .com, and kind of put it on

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the shelf and figured I'd revisit it later. And

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then in 2015, it ended up being kind of the year

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of the lake monster. I proposed an amendment

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to the city of Geneva's city council to prohibit

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hunting, trapping, and harming the Seneca Lake

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monster. That was approved by a 6 -1 vote by

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city council. And that's now a law in Geneva.

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The same year, in July, I organized the Seneca

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Lake Monster edition of the First Friday art

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event. There was an art contest, a showing of

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the Exploring Seneca documentary about the Seneca

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Lake Monster. And it was a super successful event.

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Shortly after that was the annual Geneva. fireman's

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parade and there was a lake monster float in

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the parade. Around the same time, I was contacted

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by New Yorker magazine and they were doing a

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short documentary about Seneca Lake. And I was,

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I had the opportunity to be part of that short

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documentary talking about the lake monster and

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the Seneca Lake drums. So I continued. Looking

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into Seneca Lake drums, UFO sightings, which

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led me to different ghost stories and hauntings,

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the history of the Willard Asylum, military presence

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on Seneca Lake. So I was researching these subjects

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and collecting these stories just sort of as

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a hobby, something I was interested in. At the

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same time, I started writing a political blog

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about local government in... 2016 right around

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the time the first friday event was was uh kind

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of kind of reached its um reached its end and

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when i got close when the blog also ran its course

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in 2021 i ended the blog and by march of 2022

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i launched seneca lake mysteries um Launched

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the website and put a call out to the public

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about the project and asked the public to send

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me stories for inclusion in a possible book or

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some other kind of effort in the future, which

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turns out to be this podcast. Just to clarify,

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I picked the name Seneca Lake Mysteries after

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a lot of thought. Had trouble thinking of an

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exact word that would... describe everything

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that I kind of want to cover with the project.

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So the term Seneca Lake Mysteries might be a

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little deceptive to some people. It's not a true

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crime podcast. I'm not looking to debunk or prove

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any of the stories that we talk about, even though

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they're mysteries. I'm not looking to necessarily

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solve these mysteries. It's just an opportunity

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to Just talk about these stories, kind of engage

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our imagination and have some fun and see where

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it goes. One thing I am going to stay away from

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is if I find out a story is a hoax, something

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that's known to have been faked, I won't be covering

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those kind of stories on the podcast. So I will

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be covering a lot of the more well -known stories,

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like I mentioned earlier, the Seneca Lake Monster.

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Willard Asylum, the military history in the area,

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Seneca White Deer, UFO sightings, some of the

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more famous haunted locations in the area. But

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also I've got a lot of stories ready for you

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that you probably haven't heard before. And some

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of them are pretty out there, pretty bananas.

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And the stories will range from being a... a

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fascinating kind of local trivia wow i didn't

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really know that to the other end of the spectrum

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which is like holy cow that's the most bonkers

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thing i've ever heard so i'm really excited to

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get the show going as far as where i'm where

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i've gathered these sources from a lot of publications

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newspapers books online articles but also stories

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that people have told me themselves firsthand

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accounts Um, some of those stories, if I can

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get, if I can get these people to agree to come

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on the podcast, they'll be coming on the podcast.

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Otherwise I'll just recount the stories that

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they've, that they've told to me. And each episode

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I plan to cover multiple different stories per

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episode. So if you tune in and you're hearing

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a story about whatever UFOs and it doesn't interest

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you that much, just hang around and I'll, I'll,

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I'm sure I'll be hitting some other stories that

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might interest you moving along. So yeah, I'm

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really excited to get this going. I want to thank

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you so much for listening. If you like the show,

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please subscribe, tell your friends, let everybody

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know. You can get the podcast anywhere you get

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your podcasts. Sign up for the email list at

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SenecaLakeMysteries .com. That's actually the

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best way not only to know when the podcast...

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when a new podcast is coming out, but also any

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other updates or events or, or things I have

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going on. And of course you can always call the

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phone number and, uh, and yeah, let me know what's

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going on that this, this show is going to depend

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on you, the listener. And, and I see it more

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as a, as a community kind of effort, not just

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folks who live in the area, but, uh, anyone who

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just has interest in these kinds of subjects

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and in the. Seneca Lake area. So thanks again

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for listening. And I've got first segment that

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I want to do next is going to focus primarily

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on the lake itself, the physical features of

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the lake, and sort of describing the setting

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of Seneca Lake and what makes it so unique and

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different from other places in the world. The

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place that is the setting for all these stories

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we're going to be exploring. So yeah, thanks

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for listening, and let's go. So before we get

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into the unexplained and unusual places, events,

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people, and legends from the Seneca Lake area,

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let's take a look at the lake itself and the

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surrounding landscape that provides the backdrop

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and atmosphere for these stories. So for starters,

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Seneca Lake is the deepest freshwater lake in

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the United States, east of the Mississippi River,

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not including the Great Lakes. Another way to

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say that would be that Seneca Lake is the deepest

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freshwater lake in the U .S., east of the Mississippi

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River, contained within the borders of the United

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States. So, in other words, you can travel from

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Wisconsin to Louisiana to Florida to Maine and

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everywhere in between, and you will not find

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a deeper lake than Seneca Lake. It's one of the

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11 Finger Lakes in upstate New York. which were

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once a series of north -flowing streams before

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advancing and retreating glaciers, carved out

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the landscape, and it became ice -free about

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14 ,000 years ago. The lakes are laid out, arranged

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side -by -side along a roughly 70 -mile stretch

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of land about 30 miles south of Lake Ontario,

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with Seneca Lake approximately in the center,

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which has earned it the... The rascally nickname,

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the middle finger. So with a maximum depth of

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618 feet, an average depth of 281 feet, and a

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maximum width of about three miles, Seneca Lake

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accounts for about half of the total water held

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in all 11 long, narrow finger lakes. So 618 feet.

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How deep is 618 feet? Well, you could place Seattle,

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Washington's Space Needle. or Washington, D .C.'s

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Washington Monument at the deepest point of Seneca

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Lake, and both of those monuments would be completely

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submerged. I don't know why you'd want to do

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that, but researchers have also estimated that

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the original depth of the lake was more than

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double the current measurement. So there's supposedly

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an estimated 800 feet of sediment. at the bottom

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of the lake, and that's believed to hold a 12

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,500 -year sedimentary record. So if you're opposed

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to placing the Washington Monument at the bottom

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of Seneca Lake, you can rest easy because it

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probably wouldn't work because it would just

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sink into the muddy sediment. The main tributaries

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on Seneca Lake are Catherine Creek at the southern

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end and the Cayuga Lake outlet. which flows into

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Seneca Lake near Dresden on the western shore,

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right about the midpoint of the lake, Seneca

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Lake. There are dozens of smaller streams that

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empty into the lake and plenty of waterfalls

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not far from Seneca Shores. Now, waterfalls are,

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the Finger Lakes are well known for the number

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of waterfalls that it has. And for me, there's

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something... really special about waterfalls

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and the benefits, the healing power that they

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have. They're known to have psychological and

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physiological benefits. They help alleviate mental

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fatigue, reducing stress and anxiety. And it's

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also said that the negative ions that are released

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by cascading water can increase serotonin levels

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in the brain. So not only are waterfalls beautiful

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and relaxing, but they can really alter your

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state of awareness. And there are quite a few

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of these waterfalls around Seneca Lake. There's

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even a stream that's named 16 Falls Creek, to

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give you kind of an idea of just how many falls

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there are around here. Now, the tallest waterfall...

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in the Seneca Lake area is Aunt Sarah's Falls,

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or Aunt Sarah's Falls, depending on how you pronounce

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it, in the village of Montour Falls, which is

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a total of around 200 feet, maybe a little bit

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more, although only the bottom 90 to 100 feet

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is visible from the ground. So that's also one

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of the reasons why it's one of my favorite waterfalls

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in the area and probably my favorite waterfall

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around Seneca Lake because... You can look at

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it, and it's visible from the road, but you're

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only seeing about a third of it. So that kind

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of gives it an air of mystery. You're not seeing

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the whole lake. So that kind of gives it an air

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of mystery. You're not seeing the whole waterfall.

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And also, it's my favorite waterfall. because

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the legends surrounding it one local legend said

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that it got its name aunt sarah's falls was named

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after a woman who was an indian a wife of an

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early settler in the area who jumped to her death

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from the falls however the legend that i really

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get a kick out of is that at one time there was

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supposedly a rock carving of an indian woman's

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face near the base of the falls that was destroyed

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by men who believed that there was gold hidden

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behind it. Now that's a delightful story on a

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couple of levels. One, because of this idea of

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a rock carving of a face, you'd be hard -pressed

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to find any history of indigenous Native people

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in North America making rock carvings of faces.

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And not only that, the idea that there was a

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treasure of gold hidden behind this carving.

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Just makes it a real neat little story. The next

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tallest waterfall is Hector Falls at 165 feet

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in the town of Hector on the east side of the

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lake, followed by Chihuahua Falls, also in Montour

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Falls, at 156 feet. Now, the cool thing is all

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three of these falls, Antares Falls, Hector Falls,

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and Chihuahua Falls, are all... easily viewable

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to the public with parking right next to the

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falls. You can visit any of these falls at any

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time, although the best time to visit is after

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a good amount of rain. Now, there are other big

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ones. Silver Thread Falls in Lodi, 150 feet.

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Glenora Falls in Glenora on the west side of

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the lake, right around 100 feet. And of course,

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Watkins Glen State Park has a total of 19 waterfalls.

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The tallest one is about 60 feet. The smallest

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ones are just a few feet high. And these 19 waterfalls

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drop a combined 400 feet down the gorge. And

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this gorge has 200 -foot walls. Watkins Glen,

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I'm stating the obvious, but if you haven't been

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to Watkins Glen, you've got to go there. You've

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got to see it. It is... a truly otherworldly

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place, and we're very lucky to have it here near

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Seneca Lake. Now, at the northern end of Seneca

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Lake, near Geneva, the lake flows out into the

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Seneca River, which became part of the Erie Canal

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system in the early 1800s, which directly connected

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Seneca Lake with the Hudson River and the Atlantic

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Ocean, which means you can get to anywhere in

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the world by boat. from Seneca Lake. Now the

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lake is also believed to be fed by underground

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springs at an astonishing rate of 328 gallons

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per minute. And due to the lake's depth and its

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constantly circulating waters, the temperature

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at approximately 100 feet deep remains at around

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39 -40 degrees Fahrenheit year -round, which

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prevents it from ever fully freezing over. except

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for a handful of known recorded cases. Last time

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was 1912. Also happened in 1855, 1875, and 1885.

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Now, Seneca Lake's warm water temperature acts

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as a heat source and creates a unique microclimate

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over the hills and fields surrounding the lake,

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which extends the growing season, making it ideal

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for growing grapes and other fruit. as evidenced

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by the large number of vineyards and wineries

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that surround the shores today. And it's not

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just the microclimate. Combined with the soils

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and the terrain, Seneca Lake is actually one

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of the most unique and ideal spots in the world

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for grape production. And within that microclimate

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is an area on the southeastern shore of Seneca

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Lake. That's known as the banana belt. It's next

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to some of the deepest parts of the lake, and

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the way the afternoon sun hits the area can sometimes

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mean a 5 or 10 degree difference in temperature

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from the surrounding area. So when you're just

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talking about the natural features of the lake,

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you have all these waterfalls that kind of put

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you in a different state of consciousness, and

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you have areas where the weather is literally

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different. from the weather just a few miles

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away. So it really creates an atmosphere that

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feels like a different kind of place. Now there

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has been some research done into the action of

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the water under the surface on Seneca Lake. It

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has unique underwater wave phenomena. In 1977,

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Dr. William F. Arnsbrock, a professor at Hobart

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and William Smith Colleges, headed up a research

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effort into these underwater waves, which he

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referred to as internal undular surges. Interestingly,

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Dr. Arnsbrock concluded that these surges also

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existed in the world's oceans and in Scotland's

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Loch Ness, the purported home of the world's

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most famous lake monster. Nessie. Dr. Arnsbrock

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even traveled to Loch Ness to learn all he could

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about the lake and about long, narrow, deep bodies

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of water in general, and he observed that Loch

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Ness does look like Seneca Lake a bit, but it's

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slightly narrower at 1 .7 miles, shorter at 22

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.5 miles, and deeper, 755 feet. But they do share

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many of the same characteristics. Arnsbrock also

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noted that the underwater waves in Loch Ness

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bounced back and forth, unlike Seneca Lake, due

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to Loch Ness's narrower width. Dr. Arnsbrock

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also stated that he did not see any lake monsters

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on his trip to Scotland, nor apparently in Seneca

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Lake. Now, more recently in 2021, a team of researchers

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funded by Le Moyne College in Syracuse, New York,

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conducted an experiment to track deep currents

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in Seneca Lake. They used three buoys attached

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to drogues at depths of 4 feet, 30 feet, and

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100 feet. And their study showed active currents

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under the surface of Seneca Lake, which reversed

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approximately every 26 hours. And underwater

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whirlpools with a diameter of up to one mile

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rotating downstream of several headlands. Headlands

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are also referred to as points, like Lodi Point.

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just landmasses that kind of jut outward in the

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lake. So even just looking at the work of Dr.

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Arnsbrock back in the 70s and the Lemoyne -funded

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team in recent years and others, we see that

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it's pretty clearly established that the waters

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below the surface of Seneca Lake are dynamic

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and active, and they add yet another distinct

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layer of uniqueness to Seneca Lake. Now, although

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the waters of Seneca Lake are usually fairly

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calm, Local residents and visitors acknowledge

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and respect the occasional danger and power the

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lake exhibits. The wave patterns are more similar

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to the Great Lakes or the ocean than some of

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the smaller lakes that people encounter in the

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Northeast. And conditions can turn pretty quickly.

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There are newspaper accounts from the 19th century

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until the present day that... detailed dozens,

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if not hundreds, of accidental drownings on Seneca

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Lake, which I'm not going to get into. That's

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a pretty dark subject. But especially in the

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late 19th century, early 20th century, it was

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not uncommon for 10 people to drown in Seneca

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Lake every year or more. Now, a great number

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of those occurrences are due to the lake's tendency

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to... rapidly change from gently rolling tides

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to rumbling treacherous waves. And there's one

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story from 1950 that kind of illustrates how

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Seneca Lake's conditions can change very quickly.

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I call this one the April Fool's Greyhound Lake

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Assault. So back on April Fool's Day of 1950,

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38 passengers inside a stalled Greyhound bus.

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got an up -close look at exactly how violent

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the lake could be. So it was about two miles

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east of Geneva along a stretch of routes 5 and

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20 where Seneca Lake State Park now sits. Multiple

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automobiles had stalled along that highway throughout

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the day because of heavy rains and storms and

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standing water on the roadway, which ran right

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along the northern shore. So this bus, which

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was en route from Rochester to Syracuse, was

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filled with passengers. and had conked out right

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along that same stretch where the roadway was

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submerged under eight inches of water. According

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to witnesses, a powerful south wind was generating

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waves that were around 14 feet high, which repeatedly

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slammed into the side of the bus. The waves struck

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the side of the bus with such force that water

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was seeping through the windows, passengers were

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screaming in terror, and the bus sat there for

00:24:22.460 --> 00:24:25.349
about an hour. before a tow truck finally arrived

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on the scene to move the Greyhound and all its

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traumatized riders to safety. Now, if it seems

00:24:31.769 --> 00:24:36.150
like 14 feet high is unrealistic for Seneca Lake,

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they probably weren't 14 -foot waves. The waves

00:24:41.329 --> 00:24:43.710
on Seneca Lake can probably get up to, I don't

00:24:43.710 --> 00:24:46.109
know, six, eight feet high. But when they hit

00:24:46.109 --> 00:24:50.529
that seawall, that concrete rock seawall that's

00:24:50.529 --> 00:24:53.279
at the northern end of the lake, When they strike

00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:56.460
that seawall, it kind of throws the water up

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high. And you can see it when there are storms

00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:03.519
in the area, especially on super windy days.

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So it's possible. I mean, a Greyhound bus is

00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:09.980
about 12 feet high. At least Greyhound buses

00:25:09.980 --> 00:25:14.599
back at that time. So 14 feet waves or water

00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:18.200
splashing into the side of the bus isn't impossible.

00:25:18.940 --> 00:25:21.980
So yeah, Seneca Lake and the area around it is...

00:25:22.269 --> 00:25:25.269
not like any other place in the world. It sort

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of has its own weather, has places like Watkins

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Glen and Excelsior Glen that you can walk into

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and feel like you're in a different place and

00:25:33.730 --> 00:25:37.369
time. The lake is extraordinarily deep and unpredictable

00:25:37.369 --> 00:25:41.369
and beautiful. There's probably a lot more details

00:25:41.369 --> 00:25:44.069
and unique aspects and features I could talk

00:25:44.069 --> 00:25:46.410
about, but that's kind of the basics, kind of

00:25:46.410 --> 00:25:49.890
covers the most notable things about the Seneca

00:25:49.890 --> 00:25:59.039
Lake area. So I decided to tell this story on

00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:02.400
the first episode of the podcast for several

00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:08.660
reasons. I received this back in October of 2022,

00:26:08.900 --> 00:26:12.579
just a few months after I had launched the project

00:26:12.579 --> 00:26:15.480
and asked people to send their stories and their

00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:21.740
feedback. Most of the feedback I got, folks told

00:26:21.740 --> 00:26:25.269
me their name and I was able to... to reply and

00:26:25.269 --> 00:26:28.509
discuss whatever they wanted to discuss, whatever

00:26:28.509 --> 00:26:31.309
experience they wanted to share. But I received

00:26:31.309 --> 00:26:36.049
one that was anonymous, and it's really a very

00:26:36.049 --> 00:26:41.230
bizarre story. And because it was sent in through

00:26:41.230 --> 00:26:43.430
the contact form on my website, there's no way

00:26:43.430 --> 00:26:46.589
for me to reply and ask any follow -up questions.

00:26:47.170 --> 00:26:49.670
But it's such a weird story, and it's stuck with

00:26:49.670 --> 00:26:53.319
me for the past couple of years. So why not put

00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:56.680
it here in the first episode of the Seneca Lake

00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:00.980
Mysteries podcast? So it says here the date of

00:27:00.980 --> 00:27:06.700
the sighting, 2009 through 2020, maybe? Question

00:27:06.700 --> 00:27:11.220
mark. Location of the sighting, Geneva, New York,

00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:15.480
mainly near train tracks. So that covers a pretty

00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:20.240
broad area from the city of Geneva into the town

00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:23.730
of Geneva. says number of witnesses are two so

00:27:23.730 --> 00:27:28.609
the person describes the experience in the following

00:27:28.609 --> 00:27:32.750
way quote i spotted the first one when i was

00:27:32.750 --> 00:27:36.390
maybe five or six i was eating breakfast with

00:27:36.390 --> 00:27:38.650
my family when i heard a weird sound from the

00:27:38.650 --> 00:27:41.589
hall i looked over and there was a black cat

00:27:41.589 --> 00:27:44.549
with no face it wasn't like the face was ripped

00:27:44.549 --> 00:27:47.789
off or something it was just flat where it should

00:27:47.789 --> 00:27:50.650
be Also, this was at a time when we didn't have

00:27:50.650 --> 00:27:53.630
any cats. I pointed it out to my parents who

00:27:53.630 --> 00:27:56.690
went to check, but it was gone. Over the years,

00:27:56.750 --> 00:28:00.190
I saw a few more of these cats. Some in my house

00:28:00.190 --> 00:28:03.329
or in a woods where a rail used to run. They

00:28:03.329 --> 00:28:06.589
can be any color or breed and often seem completely

00:28:06.589 --> 00:28:09.549
normal aside from the fact that they don't have

00:28:09.549 --> 00:28:13.410
a face. Occasionally, however, they have slightly

00:28:13.410 --> 00:28:16.599
distorted features. Like a tail that seems a

00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:19.799
bit too long for a cat or ears that are too long

00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:23.140
and skinny. Or even looking like a photo someone

00:28:23.140 --> 00:28:26.559
tried to stretch. For years I thought I was just

00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:29.579
seeing things. They tend to vanish very quickly.

00:28:29.819 --> 00:28:33.880
Or they were just cats who were sick or had weirdly

00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:37.740
fluffy faces. But a few years ago, in 2020 I

00:28:37.740 --> 00:28:40.680
think, I was walking with a friend. We passed...

00:28:40.910 --> 00:28:43.210
over a train track and they mentioned that sometimes

00:28:43.210 --> 00:28:47.309
they saw weird faceless cats along it. I asked

00:28:47.309 --> 00:28:49.630
them for more info and they sounded exactly like

00:28:49.630 --> 00:28:52.609
what I saw. There's been a few more people who

00:28:52.609 --> 00:28:55.130
claim to see them, but those people only said

00:28:55.130 --> 00:28:57.930
so after I had already mentioned them, so they

00:28:57.930 --> 00:29:00.289
could have been lying. I've tried researching,

00:29:00.470 --> 00:29:03.230
but I haven't found anything else about it. So

00:29:03.230 --> 00:29:06.289
all I really know is they like trains and they

00:29:06.289 --> 00:29:09.670
act like completely normal cats. They won't act

00:29:09.670 --> 00:29:12.480
sick. They seem to be able to see despite having

00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:15.500
no eyes. And I think I've even heard them meow

00:29:15.500 --> 00:29:18.640
despite no mouth. But as soon as you take your

00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:23.319
eyes off of them, they're gone. End quote. Okay,

00:29:23.380 --> 00:29:26.000
so I think that the average person, or just speaking

00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.319
for myself, when you're walking near a railroad

00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:34.160
track or outdoor somewhere and you see a cat,

00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:40.940
my first instinct is, oh, it's a cat. I wonder

00:29:40.940 --> 00:29:44.339
if it will come near me. I wonder if it wants

00:29:44.339 --> 00:29:47.740
to be pet. I wonder if it will meow at me. But

00:29:47.740 --> 00:29:50.380
it's a good feeling. It's a joyful feeling almost.

00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:53.579
For me, I'm seeing a cat when I didn't expect

00:29:53.579 --> 00:29:57.059
to see one. So to go from that to getting a closer

00:29:57.059 --> 00:30:00.140
look at a cat and realizing that it has no face

00:30:00.140 --> 00:30:04.019
on it, that's just really unsettling to me. Now

00:30:04.019 --> 00:30:07.079
I've looked into and researched to see if there

00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:10.210
are... legends or myths or stories of cryptids

00:30:10.210 --> 00:30:14.210
that involve faceless animals, cats or otherwise,

00:30:14.529 --> 00:30:18.250
and I haven't really found anything. There are

00:30:18.250 --> 00:30:21.410
various legends about faceless humanoids and

00:30:21.410 --> 00:30:25.289
people and ghosts, but not animals. If you know

00:30:25.289 --> 00:30:27.809
of any stories, send them in, let me know, because

00:30:27.809 --> 00:30:31.769
I am very curious about this. But also, cats,

00:30:31.950 --> 00:30:35.890
seeing a cat without a face is extraordinarily

00:30:35.890 --> 00:30:40.900
weird. But seeing that same cat and realizing

00:30:40.900 --> 00:30:44.759
that it has distorted features, a tail that's

00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:48.759
too long for a cat, ears that are too long and

00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:51.740
skinny, or looking like a photo that someone

00:30:51.740 --> 00:30:54.779
tried to stretch, you go from being creepy and

00:30:54.779 --> 00:30:59.019
scary to a whole other level of insane bending

00:30:59.019 --> 00:31:03.700
of reality. And if that's not enough... These

00:31:03.700 --> 00:31:06.380
cats appear to be able to see without having

00:31:06.380 --> 00:31:11.940
eyes or meow without a mouth. And they seem to

00:31:11.940 --> 00:31:15.500
literally vanish. As soon as you glance away,

00:31:15.700 --> 00:31:18.380
they're gone. So for the past couple of years,

00:31:18.460 --> 00:31:21.480
I've been keeping my eyes open when I'm around

00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:25.380
the railroad tracks near Geneva. And now I'm

00:31:25.380 --> 00:31:29.019
asking you, has anyone out there seen anything

00:31:29.019 --> 00:31:32.920
like this? Ever seen a faceless cat? in Geneva

00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:36.539
or anywhere else or any kind of faceless animal,

00:31:36.700 --> 00:31:40.839
let me know. Send an email podcast at senecalakemysteries

00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:48.079
.com or leave a voicemail at 607 -307 -1167.

00:31:49.180 --> 00:31:51.220
I'd like to learn more. Oh, and if you're the

00:31:51.220 --> 00:31:53.900
person who wrote this email, reach out to me.

00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:56.799
I'd like to know if you've seen any more of them

00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.759
or if anyone else has seen them. And you know

00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:04.630
what I realized? is that the words face and cat

00:32:04.630 --> 00:32:09.730
share a synonym. That synonym would be puss.

00:32:11.410 --> 00:32:14.569
So maybe I call this the story of the pussless

00:32:14.569 --> 00:32:21.369
puss or the puss without a puss. I don't know.

00:32:21.450 --> 00:32:25.920
Let me know what you think. I'd like to start

00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:28.180
by giving you a little background about how this,

00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:31.900
the final story of the first episode of the podcast

00:32:31.900 --> 00:32:35.119
ended up being the final story of the first episode

00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.779
of the podcast. So in recent weeks, I was putting

00:32:37.779 --> 00:32:41.079
together and planning this podcast and I had

00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:44.400
the stories that I wanted to feature, but I felt

00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:46.660
like I'd need a little bit more and I wasn't

00:32:46.660 --> 00:32:49.539
sure what would be the best story that would

00:32:49.539 --> 00:32:52.819
fit kind of the theme of the first episode. And

00:32:52.819 --> 00:32:55.490
I was... Kind of not really struggling with it.

00:32:55.509 --> 00:32:57.710
I just felt like I had kind of hit a wall. And

00:32:57.710 --> 00:33:00.170
right around that time, I happened to be online

00:33:00.170 --> 00:33:04.309
and I collect memorabilia and other items related

00:33:04.309 --> 00:33:06.869
to Seneca Lake, especially its weird history.

00:33:07.009 --> 00:33:10.150
And I came across an old manuscript for sale.

00:33:10.269 --> 00:33:12.750
I call it a manuscript because that's what it

00:33:12.750 --> 00:33:16.549
was described as online. And it's three sheets

00:33:16.549 --> 00:33:21.910
of lined five inch by eight inch. writing paper.

00:33:22.170 --> 00:33:25.369
And it's an essay that was written over a hundred

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years ago, likely in the late 1800s, early 1900s.

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And the name of the essay is Seneca Lake and

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Its Surroundings. Now there is no information

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about who wrote this, exactly when it was written,

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the person's age, anything. It's just three pages

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of writing in cursive. Looks like the author

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used a fountain pen. So in and of itself, this

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manuscript. is a mystery, and its title is Seneca

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Lake and Its Surroundings. So a guy like me and

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the way I think, I look at this manuscript and

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say, here's my final story for the podcast. I'm

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now the owner of the manuscript, and I am going

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to post a link to the manuscript on SenecaLakeMysteries

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.com, and I'll put it in the description of this

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podcast. But what adds another layer of mystery

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to this manuscript is the final eight lines that

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are written on the third page. at the end of

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the essay, are actually a poem. And in that eight

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-line poem, in the seventh line of the poem,

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the edge of the page was worn away or torn away,

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and there's a word missing. And as I read the

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poem, I'm not sure what that missing word is.

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So I'm going to throw it out to everyone here

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and see if anyone has any idea what this mysterious

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missing word in the poem may be. So I'm going

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to read the entire manuscript here. I also want

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to mention that it looks like it may have been

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a school assignment, whether high school or college,

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no idea. But there are some lines that seem to

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have been edited, crossed out with pencil, and

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then corrected in the margins. And also on the

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first page, written in pencil, are the numbers

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350. Kind of looks like a 3 .50, but I can't

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tell. So after this was written, some kind of

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changes were made to it. It looks like that might

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be a grade. But the way I'm going to do it, I'm

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going to read the original essay that was written

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in pen by the original author. Author unknown.

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Seneca Lake and its surroundings. Seneca Lake,

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lying in its serene beauty, pillowed among the

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gentle undulating hills. is about 40 miles long

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and from one to nearly five miles wide. It is

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a current opinion among the people that the bottom

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of the lake has never been found, but this is

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contradicted by others who state the depth of

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the deepest place, which is about 600 feet. The

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lake is fed by numerous springs and streams of

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water, which wind their way down through many

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a meadow scene. and at last leap the rock -clefted

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shore to rest in the arms of the deep. Its waters

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are of a moderate temperature and very clear,

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ever -changing in hue to correspond with the

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overbending skies, but always beautiful, affording

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an unwearying view to the eye. These pure deep

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waters abound in trout and bass, which afford

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both pleasure and labor to the fishermen living

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near the shore. Many beautiful little towns and

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villages are pleasantly situated on the banks

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of the lovely Seneca, among which are Watkins,

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a place known through its glen, which is famed

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for its marvelous scenery, North Hector, a favorite

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resort for picnickers, Willard, where is located

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the Willard Insane Asylum, Glenora, Lodi, Peach

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Orchard, Long Point, and Geneva, the largest

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place, a city. Many of the people living near

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the lake are engaged in tilling the soil and

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cultivating the garden and orchard and the vine

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which yield their fruits in abundance. In the

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summer, gay parties of pleasure seekers may be

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seen camping along the shore of the lake, waking

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the echoes with song and laughter. affording

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an interesting diversion to the calm of the lake,

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are the steamers, together with many smaller

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boats, which ply the lake. A moonlight ride on

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the Seneca, with the gold sheen on the water,

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is not to be forgotten. Now this is the end of

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the essay with the poem. Oh, would I might rest

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when my soul departs, where those clustering

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lilies blow, and Seneca's rose on the towering

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cliffs. hangs over the wave below, or hear the

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crystal gleams in the lake so pure, like virtue

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in a humble soul. And Victor waves with thunders

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against the rock wall's roll. Now, the end of

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the poem there, after the word thunders, that's

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where the paper is torn. I'm not sure what the

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extra word would be there. Um, if everything

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is rhyming, which it doesn't necessarily do,

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then it would say, and Victor waves with thunders,

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sure, it would rhyme with pure. But the previous,

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the lines in the previous verse don't, the first

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and third rhymes in the previous verse don't

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rhyme. So it doesn't necessarily have to rhyme

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there. Where the crystal gleams in the lake so

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pure, like virtue in a humble soul. And Victor

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waves with thunders against the rock walls roll.

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What is that extra word, folks? I'm not sure

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what it is. Let me know what you think. Now,

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I realize that I said earlier that this podcast

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isn't about solving a mystery. And this kind

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of is about solving a mystery. The mystery of

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the missing word in the mystery manuscript. So,

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yeah. Sorry if anyone feels misled. I just love

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this essay. wanted to share it. And that's it.

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Thanks so much for joining me. Remember, new

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episodes on the 7th, 17th, and 27th of every

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month. Again, I really appreciate you listening,

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and I really appreciate if you share this podcast

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with others. Thanks again. Until next time.
