Are you feeling lost? Well, you've come to the
right place. Welcome to Lostish, where we, Rose
Chachko, and Emmanuella Kathreptakis, share
what it's really like navigating your twenties.
We're two semi -lost girls figuring out careers,
relationships, wellness, purpose, and everything
in between. Each week we dive into the highs,
the lows, and the lessons of chasing your dreams,
finding happiness, and learning to embrace the
uncertainty. We're not here to pretend like we've
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it out with you. Hello everyone! Welcome back
to the Lost -ish Podcast! We have another amazing
episode for y 'all. Oh my god, I can't believe
it. Guys, it's been a rough one today. It's been
a rough one today. It's been a really interesting
day. I've had some stuff come up at work. I just
had her fuming. I was crying in the car to Alex
Warren's new album. Yeah, I'm fuming because
people are just ridiculously so unfair. But that
is for me to deal with. Welcome to life. Welcome
to life. But we have an exciting topic for you
guys and we are going to be talking about pretty
much outgrowing A life you thought you wanted.
A life that you thought you wanted. And it's
gonna be a nice little cute candid conversation.
And something that I think happens to a lot of
people. Everyone. Everyone. Everyone at some
point goes, oh my god I don't think I want this
anymore or I don't think I want to do this. Or
even just like. Not even intentionally knowing
that but just being like oh my gosh like my life
now is so different to what I thought it would
be 10 years ago. And our goals and our dreams
they become so intertwined with our identity
like a lot of the time you know people like I
want to become this or I want to do this or I
want to be an actor or I want to be a model or
whatever or I am this. It classifies a lot of
people. Sometimes people feel a certain pressure
to have achieved that thing by a certain time
but then they grow and they realize maybe it's
not what i want to do maybe there is something
else and maybe i haven't discovered that but
that's okay like. It's it's something that a
lot of people face and something that I myself
have gone through and I think everybody is questions
they kind of has an identity crisis or a career
crisis or a people crisis just like you outgrow
people you outgrow careers and experiences and
life and life absolutely where do we start maybe
let's touch on like where did you think you were
going to be. Five to ten years ago because I
know personally my life has changed drastically
and I think that that's a topic that I like a
conversation I have with so many people all the
time but like for example me five years ago like
I Wouldn't say my basic morals and like dreams
have changed too much But it's happened in so
much of a different way than I expected like
I genuinely thought I was going to be you know
Traveling full time and doing nutrition nutrition
and dietetics guys that was my biggest dream
for such a long time and then the dream. Pretty
much came to fruition and I turned it down like
where that came from I don't know my friend group
and friends in general in a completely different
position than what they were. Five five even
five years ago I was gonna say ten but even five
years ago. And yet even my beliefs and morals
have changed. It's just crazy how much your life
changes. So like, give me a couple things. So
like I spoke about traveling, nutrition, modeling,
all of that. What about you? For me, it's very
similar. My dream, like, obviously, like my goal
and my dream is to be an actor and to be a successful
actor. And it's something that I knew. That i
wanted to be from a very young age ever since
i stepped on a stage i've always wanted to do
it and will do it until i die. But like you said
for me it's more so how. I came to that realization
and how i achieved what i've achieved in my life
which i had no idea this is the way that it was
gonna happen people my whole friendship circle
when i was back in high school. I thought I was
gonna have that same group like it was very much
so like in that sort of bubble and it couldn't
be beyond different I don't talk to a single
person from high school I have a total totally
different group of friends family like it has
all changed so much for me even like relationship
wise like I am a lot more open and I'm a lot
more Comfortable in my skin than I was a long
time ago and I And I always I honestly thought
I was like never gonna be in a relationship because
it kind of never Happened for me, but then it
happened and I was like, oh my gosh crazy It's
crazy and it's something so simple but something
that I think a lot of people can relate to where
it's like it changes your whole your whole kind
of I don't know experience in life and I am Living
my dream you know but it's it's inconsistent
and the way that I got there and the people that
I have in my life are so different to what I
could have ever imagined. You know that's so
funny you say that because I'll bring up a little
thing that I actually do every single year I
don't know if I've told you this or not but I
in twenty sixteen I started this like I have
like this diary journal thing and every single
year I don't even plan when I do it. I wake up
one day and I'm like, today is the day. And I
literally open this book. It's been the same
book for the past 10 years. Wow. And I literally
write in it everything that has happened in my
life in that past year. Yeah. And the other the
last time I did it, because usually I would just
wake up and I'll be like, oh, well, today is
the day and I'll start writing and writing and
writing and writing. That's actually such a good
thing to do, guys, writing down at the end of
kind of that year of all the major events that
have happened. I think this is something I'll
finish up with this, but I think this is something
I've done constantly. I love tracking these like
core memories like I don't know who I tell everyone
to do this. But I did this thing, I started I
think when I was in like grade three or something,
I was very young. I went and bought a book, like
a really cheap book, and I made it my like classmates
book. And every single year, classmates and teachers,
every single year that I finished school, I went
and I got every single one of my classmates that
year to write me a message in the book. Almost
as if like you're signing your like grade 12
shirt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. School year, sorry.
um but i did it in a book and my teachers did
the same and i carried it all the way through
to year 12 and then at the same time obviously
i wasn't in third grade in 2016 but around the
same time i started the journal as well and last
year i actually as when i finished writing that
entry i went back and i read all of my other
ones and i just remember thinking like Holy,
the amount of things that have changed just in
this past year alone. I remember there was one
entry, it might have been like 2023 or something,
and I was like, okay, this year I got into university
and started university. I got my driver's license.
I went overseas for the first time on my own
for six weeks. I'm in a relationship now with
someone new. i like it was crazy and i remember
looking back and being like if you had asked
me if i thought all this stuff would happen when
i had written it down and i just remember having
this one thought being like i can't wait to read
through the rest of the pages yeah like in the
future because this year looks so different to
next year it is that is epic no seriously if
you're not already doing this do it and i recommend
it to every single person that's doing it and
even if it's like if you forget one year who
cares jot down what happened the following year
yeah it's so nice And I also have a memory box
guys. I have a box of like all the, which I'm
getting roses. I started doing it to a box of
like all the little memories from when I was.
Young up until now like I'm talking guys. I've
got some wild things in there. I've got like
my first tooth. I've got my belly button. My
mom. The umbilical cord when you cut like yeah,
some of it is like, you know, stranger things
to happen. It is really cute. Like, you know,
the first letter that my mom like wrote a book
for me the whole from the day I was born every
day. She wrote in a diary for me until I turned
one and I've kept that in my mind. It's beautiful.
It's just so nice to see how you grow over time.
And I know we're talking about outgrowing your
life, but sometimes it's nice to see where you
are now to where you were. Absolutely. It's so
that's one of my favorite things. Honestly, memories
and experiences are something that I will always
prioritize over anything else in my life. I think
I think going off that it's it's interesting
because society romanticizes like Sticking to
that one dream and the group of people that you've
been friends with your whole life and the career
that you've always wanted to do. Like society
romanticizes that, you know, you hear it all
the time. Sticking with a plan A. Sticking with
plan A, sticking with what's comfortable, the
fear of disappointing others, being like, oh
but you know, everyone in my family is a doctor,
I have to become a doctor too. It's so like common
that that - I just banged the microphone. It's
so common that that happens and I think having
journals and even looking back at photos and
things like that of like who you were back then
and who you are now. And I think people change.
People change. Life changes. You are growing
every single day. And if your dream What's to
become an actor like mine is and you wanted to
become an actor for. Literally since you were
three years old right and you are now twenty
three and if that changes for you and you think
to yourself like. Maybe i don't want to do this
anymore maybe it doesn't bring me as much joy
as it used to so interesting because i've spoken
about this before i graduated from nida which
is a. a drama school and um it's very hard to
get into and a lot of people try and try and
try years and years on end and my class I had
some incredibly like talent very very talented
people in my class and I did that for a year
I have a diploma in stage and screen acting and
half of the people in my class who have spent
probably years trying to get into You know I
don't that course don't act anymore and they
found. Other passions in life one of my best
friends and he will know who it is is now a musical
writer and never in a million years did he think
and he said like he said this to me the other
day he was like Rose I'm having an identity crisis
all my life I've wanted to become an actor it's
been my dream I went tonight or I did training
la la la. Writing really fulfills me and directing
really fulfills me and he's now written and directed
an award -winning musical that has become so
successful I think it has like 20k on Instagram
like their musical page and it is crazy because
This person was literally like Rose. I'm having
an identity crisis Like I wanted to become an
actor all my life. Why like do I even enjoy this
and I said look You are so successful in what
you do and you can always go back to acting if
you wanted to you're still in the creative field
There's no like single single step road. Yeah,
but It's weird because like obviously we're in
two different positions is I've wanted to act
all my life same as this person. And I'm still
kind of trying to fulfill that dream. But this
person has chosen a different path, but also
realize that something that this is something
that really fulfills them. Yeah. And it's different.
You know what, I think that like clings nicely
to the next point I was going to make. But a
lot of people actually, which I'll speak about
my personal experience in this as well but a
lot of people actually face guilt with stuff
like that as well and feeling like they they're
not allowed to switch the road that they wanted
to go on initially because because of various
factors not only like they disappoint themselves
but it's like disappointing others too and I
had that I've experienced that exact feeling
multiple times in my life me like you know not
choosing to do nutrition. Study nutrition was
probably the first major one because I was like
But why don't I want to do this? Like I've literally
Everyone I guarantee you every single person
in my high school right now because that's how
much I used to talk about it If they found out
what I was studying would be like what the nutrition
girl is doing media and coms like there's no
way because I used to talk about it that much
that it almost became a part of me it was like
well I am going to be a nutritionist because
that is what I want to do it's what I've cared
about since I was 13 years old. Yeah so and then
I literally woke up one day and I and I remember
getting the text message to say congratulations
you've made it into nutrition and dietetics and
I looked at it and I went. I was like, I don't
know if that's for me. And I felt so guilty saying
that because I'm like, but now I've let down
everyone because everyone knows that that's what
I want to do. And that's what I've wanted to
do. Why am I feeling like this? And the same
goes with modeling. And the reason I say that
is even though I will say it over and over again,
it is something I love so much and something
that I would literally do for free. So many people
still ask me to this day, inclusive of you, of
why I'm not getting back into it, or why I haven't
been getting back into it so much. I think I've
reached the point where before I was doing it,
not in a bad way, but I don't know if that fulfills
me as much as other things do anymore. And as
much as I loved it, and I would take any other
opportunity now, and I'm sure I would love it
just as much in the act, but at the moment, I
genuinely am not pursuing, not because I don't
think I can, but because I just don't think it
fulfills me as much. On that, on that, let's
talk about external validation versus internal
fulfillment. Because you literally just said,
look, I don't know if that fulfills me anymore.
And that's me being completely honest. I know
some people might think, oh, you know, she tried
so many times and blah, blah, and I genuinely
did. And I've been successful to a degree and
I genuinely think that I could have done it.
And so many people are now, you know, at me.
Why aren't you still modeling? Why aren't you
changing your agent? Why aren't you doing this?
Why aren't you for me? That's me. No, not just
Rose. It's literally everyone inclusive of you,
but everyone. And all the time, my answer pretty
much remains the same to them. It's like, oh,
you know, I'm busy on this and that. But deep
down, I'm like, I'm trying to figure out if that's
what I actually love and want to do and prioritize
so much of my time in. And I know great things
will like come eventually, like There's always
chances to do photo shoots and stuff like that.
But you can always go back to it. This is a thing.
Nothing is ever infinitely done. I've tried it
and I loved it and now there's so many more things
that bring me so much more happiness than that.
And that's not a bad thing. I'm not portraying
modeling as being a bad thing nor acting nor
cooking nor being an engineer. there's no right
or wrong answer yeah but to me it just yeah it
just doesn't bring me as much fulfillment anymore
and yes i have also felt guilty with that when
people around me like but you're so good at it
why don't you just do it and i'm like guys but
that's exactly what it is it's is it external
validation that you know if you do something
or if you stick by doing something or being in
the wrong relationship on the right relationship
whatever. Is it external validation that is making
you stay in this certain thing that's not fulfilling
for you? Ask yourself that question. Is this
fulfilling me? Is this serving me? Am I happy
doing this? And if it's other people's praise
towards you that is making you. Happy then that's
not happiness. That's external validation and
it's fueling that insecurity of your external
validation And you know what? I think I'm pretty
lucky because I Learned pretty early on that.
It was it's my life. I'm in control of my life
No one else can tell me what to do with my life.
I'm a very open -minded person though I'm I'd
like to think I've never been rude to anybody
Intentionally or like I will listen to everyone's
opinion. I love everyone but honestly I got pretty
early on that no one's gonna tell me what to
do with my life. So I never took the external,
I never felt the need for an external validation,
but it was more an internal battle for me. Cause
it was like, I felt like I was letting myself
down more than anything. Cause I'm like, I wanted
this for so long. But people feel the pressure,
people feel pressure to stick, to live up to
that. It's almost like - You're being held accountable.
You're being held accountable and like also,
Sometimes when it's like a childhood dream or
a childhood attachment to something like that
as a kid you look at it and you're like this
is what I want like this is everything and I
want to grow up and be this and be with that
person and la la la it's really hard to let that
go and I want to talk about that is like how
do we let. How do how do you go from this for
me right i would feel like i would be having
an identity crisis if i got to the point and
i was like i don't think i want to be an actor
anymore. Like what would i like you would be
shocked because that's been a dream of mine probably
since i was in the womb yeah it's honestly it's
like letting down the four year old self because
that's what it feels like you're letting down
that you feel like you're letting down that in
a child when really. You're just growing and
you're just changing and that's okay and that's
okay if even if i did decide that maybe acting
wasn't for me in the future than that is what
it is and i can always go back to it if i wanted
sometimes what happens is you decide or something
isn't for me you try other things you try other
things you try other things and it doesn't fulfill
you and then you go back to what you knew at
that time fulfilled you and things change like
nothing is ever set. in stone. And that's kind
of what we're trying to get at is just allow
yourself to unfold the way that you're unfolding.
Allow yourself to try other things. And we're
not just talking career wise feel guilty about
it. Absolutely. The guilt, the guilt is that
as well. And it's also external influences. Because
it's like when you have people like family and
friends and because I remember like the person
that I spoke about, I'm not going to say his
name, but about the whole musical, then becoming
a writer after drama school and things like that.
That person, including me, I was like, no, but
you have to continue acting. You're an actor.
You are so talented and you are so amazing and
you're prodding and you're prodding and you're
prodding because you may believe in somebody,
but it doesn't fulfill that person anymore. And
that will just put pressure on that person to
be like, okay, like I'll do it. Okay. When they
actually don't want to do it. Yeah, I actually
find it really exciting knowing that like the
person I am today might not be. Like the exact
same person's I will be in five to ten years
or even tomorrow. You might literally like you
might wake up and have an epiphany about your
life and be like quite a few times oh my gosh
what am i doing i don't want to do this why am
i doing it working in retail that's me i'm like
i need to stop immediately and i'm like why am
i still working in retail anyway that's a whole
other can of worms that's a whole other third
world story yes but. It doesn't matter it could
be five seconds from now it could be five minutes
from now could be five years from now it doesn't
matter when that time happens because it happens
for everybody no one. For me in my industry no
one acts until the ninety five years old unfortunately
as much as you as much as you love it. Everybody
stops and retires at some point. Everybody changes
their minds about things. You change your mind
about people. You change your mind about careers.
You change your mind about hobbies and things
that you like. You know, one minute I want this,
the next minute I want that. Like it's, you're
a human being. You're going to want different
things at different stages in your life. And
it's important to understand that once you've
attached yourself to something, that is bound
to change. And look, I want to add another piece
of advice that I read once, but if you're one
of those people that feels like they are going
through that sort of identity crisis, don't know
what they want to do with their lives, don't
know how they're feeling, all of this stuff,
I would suggest block out all external influences,
sit back and genuinely write and think about
your thoughts. And I was told, and I've done
this with a lot of things that I'm struggling
to figure out in my life, I always just keep
asking myself why why am I doing this because
blah blah blah blah blah. Okay and why that because
blah blah blah blah blah and continue with the
wise the wise the wise and then you'll eventually
get to the deep rooted issue of why. It does
or does not fulfill you or you are or are not
the way that you are or your interests or your
beliefs or whatever it may be I just think that's
a really good idea I agree but you know what
at the end of the day. It's a feeling like it
is a feeling that you have when you feel like
you're you're unfulfilled and like in whatever
way that might be that might feel feel like you're
a bit stuck or you're stagnant or things aren't
happening you know a million times have I been
like oh my god like acting like it's so hard
or you know I'm not getting auditions or I'm
not getting this role and I was so close here
and I didn't get it rejection rejection rejection
my mind's like oh maybe I should do something
else. But then I go to the core and I'm like,
but when I do it, it fulfills me so much and
that one yes is so worth the a million no's that
I get as an actor. See, but you have managed
to come down to that deep rooted feeling. It's
a deep rooted. Yes, I do love this. Yes, I am
doing it for myself and for other people. For
the people that don't know what they're doing,
it's more about getting down to that. core of
why you're doing what you're doing and not having
to feel guilty about it. What about for somebody
that literally doesn't know their passion, doesn't
know their hobbies, doesn't know if they're in
the right place at the right time? How do you
distinguish fulfillment and external validation?
Look, there's always going to be something that
makes someone feel good. always it doesn't matter
if it's as simple as helping people as helping
people as being able to move your body as staying
in bed all day as getting up and you know chasing
your dream whatever it may be yeah there's always
something that will make you feel unless you're
I don't know zero emotion Which is what a sociopath
a narcissist? I guarantee you have felt love
or like excitement or happiness at some doing
something even if it's like hanging out with
your friends Okay, hanging out with your friends.
Great. You like being around people that make
you feel good Mm -hmm and guys don't do that
I'm sure what I'm what we're saying because I'm
not telling you that if the only thing you find
Passion in is hanging out with your friends.
Just no, but it's just a little example No one
has a million perfect days the person that may
seem the happiest to you might wake up one day
and feel like absolute shit yeah, and That's
not the worst thing ever guys. We're human. That's
how we operate There's been days I would consider
myself a very happy person. Touch wood, I've
touched on this before, but like I've never experienced
a mental health issue like other people have.
Of course I felt sad. Of course I felt, you know,
quote unquote, a state of depression. Anxiety.
Anxious at some point. I felt all of those things,
but I haven't, I've been lucky enough to not
have experienced it the way, for example, that
you and my mother have. Yeah. Because I've seen
it and it's not good. I don't know where I was
going with this. But pretty much, oh yeah, no
one has every single, no one wakes up every single
day and has a great day every single day. And
you, like, sometimes you're gonna feel flat.
At the moment. I feel flat. I feel quite flat
in life. I'm going to be fully honest with you.
You know, auditions are quiet. It's raining outside.
I'm constantly working a job that I, you know,
not necessarily don't want to be working, but
like working a job that doesn't fulfill me entirely.
You know, a lot of my friends are away and I'm,
you know, whatever it is. And it's like, I feel
a bit flat. I feel kind of shit right now. I've
got stuff happening with family and whatnot and
health related issues. And it's just like, that's
okay, because that's going to happen. And it's
not one particular reason of why I'm feeling
flat. And I'm, I'm as mental health as it gets.
I have gone through Everything that you can possibly
imagine mental health wise and that's where Emanuella
and I actually compliment each other because
Emanuella. I'm a listener is a listener she has
a little bit more stability in her and she comes
from a more of a rational point of view and I've
got my anxious overthinking catastrophic mind
where I'm you know quite emotional and things
like that which I actually think is a really
beautiful thing and I use. You know what i've
gone through with my mental health i wouldn't
wish it upon anyone but how much have i grown
from that and i've become a person that i wasn't.
What five years ago or two years ago or two months
ago i am changing all the time because my past
experiences form the way that i am and it's a
really really beautiful thing for everyone even
you who hasn't you know necessarily like. been
hospitalized for her mental health before. No
I'm a very pretty boring person if I'm being
quite frank like I my life is pretty mundane
on a day to day but you know one thing that I
do every single day is before I go to bed I will
sit there and recite every single thing that
day specifically that day that I'm grateful for
I'm not talking you know I do the normal like
roof over my head clothes I wear food I eat all
of that but I'm talking about if I got to have
a conversation with a stranger that day that
for filled me, that will be in my gratitude at
the end of the night. If I got to, you know,
finally buy something that's been on my mind
for ages, that will be on my gratitude at the
end of the night. If I finally got to accept
something that I haven't accepted or get over
something that's been bothering me for the past
two years, I will be grateful for that that day,
whatever it may be. And that has helped me so
much, except the person that I am now, and also
be grateful for the person I was as well, since
we're on the topic of outgrowing. But yeah, like,
honestly, you'll realize, you don't have to take
my advice, but you'll realize that someone who
is grateful for the little things that they have
in their life is always going to be happier.
I never, for example, you know, had a massive
party phase I never you know went out and I've
never really met you know anyone crazy that's
had some massive impact on my life or you know
like whatever it may be my point is my life is
pretty mundane and even in that I've still managed
to find freedom find love find happiness find
gratitude find all of that stuff genuinely genuinely
that like now nothing really bothers me and Even
like things that I used to in terms of growing
things that I used to take so much more seriously
before if I had a confrontation with someone
before someone disagreed with me before someone
you know said that they didn't want to be my
friends me before best believe I would be the
girl that would you know take it to heart. Be
sensitive oh I'm so sensitive. Now I'm not saying
I'm fully there yet because I still get agitated
at things but now I'm a lot more. open -minded
and not more level -headed and a lot more accepting
and I'm just like, yeah, that's them and I'm
me whatever Yeah, like I genuinely am like say
that's great. Like that's great. I'm a little
different is like I'm quite sensitive I've grown
so much. Oh my gosh with my sensitivity now honestly
by being in this acting industry and facing the
relationships that I faced in the past I feel
like I'm invincible, but I'm obviously not I'm
a human but see I'm quite sensitive I feel emotions
so deeply. I take things, certain things to heart
and things bother me, but not as much as they
used to because obviously I've grown and I understand
that a lot of things are people's insecurities
or projection on others. And I think What kind
of a yin and yang when it comes to that sort
of thing and to relate that to outgrowing is
like. Sometimes there are things that you don't
outgrow I think I will always have sensitivity
I think I will always. feel emotions very deeply.
I think that that won't change because it's inherent
to who I am and I have the beautiful capacity
to feel those emotions. That's why I'm an actor
because I want to portray emotions and I want
to connect with people and I want to show people
that it's okay to feel and if you're somebody
that isn't emotional like you, that's okay. Like
we're different in that sense. I can say I'm
not emotional, guys. I'm not heartless, but no,
I get what you're saying. But that's not what
emotional means. I'm logical. You take things
with more of a logical standpoint. I'll take
things for what they are. I can be objective.
I take things... By emotion and it's like or
how i'm feeling in that moment like if i feel
confronted or if i feel vulnerable like you will
see that through me but as you'll be like actually
no no no like this is the situation before i
come to a correct yeah i don't jump to conclusions
today right i had a bad day at work today. And
i came to manuel and i was really frustrated
and i was really really angry she got in my car
furious i got in her car manuel i was like listening
to alex warren crying in the car because alex
warren is a great emotional singer about relationships
and heartache and what not. And i get in the
car and like i'm so this i'm so and i was very
very like emotional because of what had happened
to me at my job. I told her what happened and
you pretty much like laid it out for me and you're
like, dude, in the span of things, it's not a
big deal. This is a casual job that you work
at. These people are not your, et cetera, et
cetera, et cetera. And I was like, wow. My immediate
reaction was like. It's like, like, why are you
taking this so to heart? And I'm like, no, but
this person affected me and this person said
this and that. And the first thing I did say
is I understand it because when someone disappoints
you, a lot of people take things as personal
attacks. And I think that's one thing that I've
learned to do as I've outgrown my old life is.
I've learned to take things for what they are
not for what I thought they would be or expectations.
Letting go of expectations is one of the biggest
things that has helped me grow as a person and
just be quote unquote happy all the time as much
as I can. But with stuff like that, I'm like,
and I do this with anyone, just I see Rose too
often. But like when she got into my car raging,
I was like, all right, what happened? Talk to
me, blah, blah, blah. Alright, with the information
you've given me, this and this and this and this
is the fact. It's not that serious. It's a fact,
not a feeling. Literally. It's like, what is
known to be true here? Do these people hate you?
No. Are these people working casually? No. Are
they working casually? Yes. Are they doing this?
Exactly. Okay, so the general consensus is that
it's not a big deal. Correct. And... Honestly
i've calmed down a little bit but i was really
infuriated with what happened before. Moral of
the story is there's no one size fits all guys
and. You don't need to feel guilty for outgrowing
the life that you thought you wanted. That's
the whole, that's the whole of this episode.
It's also the whole purpose of being a human.
Yeah. Outgrowing things in your life. You're
never going to stick with the same people, the
same experiences, the exact same reality for
your whole life. Things are going to change.
And the reason I say that is even as someone
who I would say I haven't changed as an overall
person, like my deep down, like who I would consider
myself. But you as a person has absolutely changed.
But my last 10 years, I have seen drastic change
every single year. And that is why I believe
that every single person will outgrow a life
that they thought they wanted or that lived once
upon a time. And it's okay to do that. It's not
the end of the world. It sounded just then when
you said, I believe, it sounded like you were
doing debating. I believe public speaking. I
love good debate. That is one thing you need
to know about me is I love good debate. And you
know what? She's good at them. Thank you. We
debate a lot. We do debate a lot. Those 1am conversations
in bed debating about religion and everything.
yeah no it's it's fun anyway i think we're gonna
wrap it up there because we've rambled a lot
and i think you get what we're trying to say
yeah and please honestly like if you're feeling
stuck or if you're feeling like you're outgrowing
a person a life a career a moment reach out let's
have a chat because i'm with you emmanuel is
with you and we've had that before and people
reaching out change my perspective on this or
I just went like you got a beautiful message
the other day of someone that was going through
a massive friendship break up and was like I
really needed to hear this like I didn't either
but that person got something out of it shout
out to that person if you're listening to this
episode but it really really makes our day so
please reach out even if it's even if like you
listen to an episode you may not have gotten
something out of it but even if you like like
it like Tell us like be like hey it's great episode
because it just kind of shows us that we're making
an impact and I think that's the whole point
of us doing it. The Lostish Podcast is because
we want to make an impact. And yeah. Wrap it
up there so we don't ramble anymore. Wrap it
up there, kitties. Listen again. Yes. Well, we
hope you liked this episode and stay tuned for
the next episode of The Lostish Podcast. Oh,
we need to stop doing these, Gans. Oh my god.