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Are you feeling lost? Well, you've come to the

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right place. Welcome to Lostish, where we, Rose

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Chachko, and Emmanuella Kathreptakis, share what

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it's really like navigating your twenties. We're

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two semi -lost girls figuring out careers, relationships,

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wellness, purpose, and everything in between.

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Each week we dive into the highs, the lows, and

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the lessons of chasing your dreams, finding happiness,

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and learning to embrace the uncertainty. We're

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not here to pretend like we've loaded all together.

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We're simply just figuring it out with you. Hello

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and welcome back to the Lostish podcast. Thanks

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for coming back guys. We just literally filmed

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an episode just before this and we are back with

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another banger about friendship breakups. Because

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some know that they can be tough. They suck.

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Friendship breakups hurt sometimes even more

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than romantic ones. Um, and I most definitely

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have experienced friendship breakups in my life

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that have absolutely sucked. Yeah. Yeah. It's,

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it's been a journey. Um, but it needs to be talked

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about, like they're rarely discussed, but they

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impact our emotional lives very much. So, and

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you know what, like friends that who are no longer

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in my life anymore, who were very, very close

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to me at one point, I still think about them.

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Like exes like you still think about them, you

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know, like naturally not in the sense of like,

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oh, I miss you. Like I want to be friends again,

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but you just think about the experience because

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it was a memory in your life. It happened in

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your life. And I think I think it's time that

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we talk about it. OK, well, we'll start off with

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one of the biggest things. So I guess for us

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it. This is gonna be more of an advice episode

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cuz i guess you know third episode we also did

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cover a lot about why it's so important to be

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surrounded by the right people and you know make

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sure your circle represents what you want out

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of life and the type of people you wanna be surrounding

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yourself with but i guess will also cover sort

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of the difference and advice that we give between

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are you calling this a friendship breakup because

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you're growing apart naturally as life goes on

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or is this like. Something happened I will disrespect

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those sorts of things so I'll start off by talking

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about more. I think you can speak more about

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the actual friendship breakups but I think in

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terms of I've experienced a lot of feeling like

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I've outgrown a lot of friendships and feeling

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bad for it and feeling like I should be stuck

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back then and if I wasn't then I was doing something

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wrong and you know I think a lot of people will

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relate to that because. You do grow apart. You

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do have different interests. You do, you know,

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go ahead with your life. And I think for me,

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from personal experience, I mean, long distance

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friendships also made that very, very difficult.

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And yeah, I guess it took me a while to figure

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out that it was okay to outgrow. Friends it's

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so okay it's so normal to outgrow friends to

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outgrow relationships to outgrow people like

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it's and it undoubtedly with its guilt and like

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you know feeling like I was going to lose a big

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part of myself but you know what maybe that was

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just me back then and it also kind of led you

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to something better like sometimes. Friendship

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breakups lead you to people that you never thought

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you could have met for example you and I. Um,

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and yeah, you don't realize it in the moment

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because obviously it sucks and it hurts in the

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moment. And, and I just want to reiterate, like

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friendship breakups can happen for any reason.

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Like your, for you, it was more outgrowing. For

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some it's betrayal or trust. For some it's a

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one -sided thing where it's like, you feel like

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you're putting the effort in, but the other person

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is not, or there's like toxic dynamics, jealousy,

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control, drama, gossip. Um, I've actually experienced

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all of it. I've had friendships that I've outgrown.

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I've had friendships that have ended up in absolute

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betrayal. I have had friendships where it's been

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a bit of a toxic dynamic. And each one kind of

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hurts in different ways. I think the ones that

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hurt the most is where there's betrayal involved.

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And I think I really felt that within my high

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school. friendships and toxic dynamics as well,

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where there's jealousy and drama and control

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and trying to be popular and whatnot. That's

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how I felt. And I even had that happen recently

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in my life where you outgrow certain people and

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you realize, oh, that person wasn't actually

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serving me in my life the way that I thought

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that they would. And it's almost like a weight

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lifted off your chest where it's like, Wow why

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do i feel so much less anxious and so much less

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stressed maybe it's because i don't have this

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person in my life anymore. One thing that i also

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have always lived by when it comes to friendships

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specifically is let people do what they want

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to do and then you decide if you like it and

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that has been something that you know i've had

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a lot of people comment on how small my friendship

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circle is and my circle in general to be honest.

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But it's all come down to the fact, it is 100

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% better. To have a small friendship circle than

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50 million people in your life that have no relevance.

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Quality over quantity. 100%. And I think, yeah,

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living by sort of that quote and that, yeah,

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just that statement, it's helped get me through

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so much hardship in terms of friendships and

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accepting that some friendships just aren't meant

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to be. Because, People by nature are selfish.

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People only have their best interests at heart.

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So when it comes to a friendship, we're talking,

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you know, friendships are very important thing.

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They have a big, big effect on your mental health

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and a lot of your time. So letting people act

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and do what they want to do. And then me basing

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how I treat that friendship and how I act around

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that has been a life changer for me. I think

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it just depends on the situation and the circumstance

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and knowing when, when it's time to let go. Like

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when it's time, and Mel Robbins says this, this

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is going off of what you said. Yeah. Let them.

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I'm reading her book right now. I've got it in

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my bag. I love it. It's such a good book. Let

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them and. If they show you their true colors

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know when it's time to let go know when you're

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feeling drained anxious or you can't be yourself

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around this person to be honest that is a red

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flag in itself where you cannot be your authentic

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self because you are going to feel so beyond

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drained but you know what it's actually become

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normalized how much people put on a front in

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front of friends. If they think they need to

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make a certain impression or like same goes with

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partners to that. They're not their authentic

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self. And it's like, that is so sad because this

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person is literally friends with you. I say in

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inverted commas because of you being not who

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you are. Yeah. And if you reveal to them who

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you actually are and they don't like it, we'll

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let them that's on them. Yeah. You know, I think

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secondly as well. Efforts to communicate or setting

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boundaries hasn't helped in the past. If you

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have tried to communicate with that person and

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it's just not budging and it's just not working

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and you have told them how you feel and they've

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either gaslit you or said, oh yeah, yeah, like,

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yeah, I hear you, but then have completely done

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the opposite actions over words, always actions

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over words. Then I think it's time to consider

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to let that friendship go because At the end

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of the day you're just gonna build so much resentment

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towards the friendship and you're gonna be flogging

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a dead horse really. Yeah literally. If you feel

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like this person would talk behind your back

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in a room that you're not in that is a massive

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massive red flag. Maybe sit back and think is

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it something that I've done but if you've exhausted

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all those results and you're just coming back

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to the fact that this person is just the way

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they are. You just have to let it be and I think.

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It's not to say that people can't change people

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can absolutely change and sometimes same with

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relationships friendship breakups to is you can

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reconnect later like you can go and grow and

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the timing may not be right. But maybe in a few

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years time the friendship reconnects. I've actually

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had this happen in my own life where sometimes

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you outgrow a person or sometimes the friendship

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wasn't right at one moment or at one stage in

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your life to then years and years and years later

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the universe just kind of organically bringing

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you back together and you reconnect and you're

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better versions of yourselves and the friendship

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is also better. Yeah, I think that actually happens

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quite quite often and it's happened to me and

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it's and it's worked same with relationships

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right sometimes you outgrow sometimes you find

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your way back to each other yeah that's actually

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a really good point i didn't think of that because

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i think for me i definitely have seen change

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in people i just think i always go back to thinking

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oh well they were like this before no i know

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it's hard it's hard to outgrow but you know what

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i wasn't perfect either no well neither like

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a friendship breakup look Most of the time is

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a two -sided thing like sometimes like you do

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things that you don't necessarily think that

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you're doing with the other person and it can

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be complicated right but a lot of the time it's

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a two -way street just like relationships and

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if you are reconnecting later on with that person

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make sure you see that growth make sure you do

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set those new boundaries because there's nothing

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worse than you know just being excited about

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an old friendship and reconnecting with that

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person and then it literally just being what

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it was before and then you have to go through

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that grieving process all over again, which sucks.

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It really does. Healing and moving forward. How

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do you do that, Emanuela? How do you heal and

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move forward? Well, I think you just have to

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remember that you can't control other adults.

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You can't. Again, I think we're constantly going

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back to this like letting people be the way they

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are and just deciding if that meshes with you

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and that works for a friendship. But healing

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all comes down to that acceptance and also just

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being okay with the, like closure doesn't have

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to be, you don't have to end in agreeance. You

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don't have to end with it being a terrible friendship

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breakup. It can just be amicable and that's it.

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Sometimes closure is just acceptance. Closure,

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is it? You find closure within yourself. Like

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a lot of the time there's no closure with anything

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really. Like life is so, is so unexpected and

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uncertain. And you have to give yourself that

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closure of like, okay, it's not my time now.

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It's not my time with this person. I shouldn't

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have them in my life and that's okay. And I mean.

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Emanuel and I are quite spiritual people so I

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think the way that we kind of think about it

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is is everything happens for a reason and if

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they're not meant to be in my life right now

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they're not meant to be in my life yeah and they

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will be in my life if they're meant to be in

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my life and we'll reconnect when that time comes

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and you know what the reason that we're speaking

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so lightheartedly about this stuff and being

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like you know it's okay just acceptance is that

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is because if we were to delve into the betrayal

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and harsh realities that some friendships have

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that is not a friend full stop. No. So if we're

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talking about, you know, people doing things

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behind each other's back, you know, anything,

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anything, think of the worst possible things

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that a friend happened, which I know happens

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a lot. But I personally don't think there's any

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recovering from that. Well, no, no, no, we're

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talking about the type of friendship where something

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happens and you don't want to lose this person

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because you know, they're a good person, or you

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may have just outgrown them or, or, you know,

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exactly. It's not Or this person went and got

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with my ex, or this person stole stuff from me.

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Like that is not friendship. We're not referring

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to those types of friendships. No, because that's

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like a whole other can of worms, I think. And

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if that ever has happened to anyone, please don't

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ever bring that person back into your life. Because

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I'm telling you now, they're going to do it again.

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Yeah. And it all just comes back to people are

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going to do what they want to do. You just have

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to set your healthy boundaries, except things

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for what they are. Yeah, say things for what

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they are too. Don't see it. Don't look at it

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for with rose colored glasses and think, Oh,

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I want to preserve this friendship because of

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the nostalgia of it or past experiences or, you

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know, having fun with that person. Like, like,

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no, see it for what it is. See it for what has

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just happened and take a, take a step back and

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have a bit of an outer body experience where

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pretend if your younger sibling had experienced

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that and had Said to you this is what has happened

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how protective you would be over them or your

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child even what advice you would give them want

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them to stay in this friendship out would you

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say you know what maybe some of it's your fault.

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Yeah please sit back and put yourself in the

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other person shoes look at it from an outside

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perspective. Understand it and if it's not meant

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to be it's not meant to be and if it is something

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that can work on it something that can get worked

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on. Make sure you're expressing it, though, because

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it's not your fault if you're it's sorry, it

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is your fault if you're not changing your circumstances,

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because otherwise you're choosing your circumstances.

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So if you are sitting there talking behind someone's

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back, but not telling them to their face, well,

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maybe that's why nothing's changing. Exactly.

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Or if you keep complaining about the friendship

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and you're I'm so unhappy, I'm so unhappy, I'm

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so unhappy and you're still in it and you haven't

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communicated to that person. I think we're both

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so good at this. Cause I'm the type of person

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that I just simply do not see more than three

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people because I know how a lot of people are

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and I just can't be bothered for it. And you're

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the type of person that will just say it how

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it is. I'll say it how it is. She says it. How

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is it? How it is. And it's so funny because it's

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a nice little different little angles that we

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come from. Yeah. Yeah. Like I'm very honest and

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it's taken me a while to get to this point where

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I'm so honest about like if I'm being treated

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like crap. You will know how I feel about that

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and you will not be. Which is how it should be.

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But it's hard. It's easier said than done. It

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is because - Especially when it's someone that

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you value. Or you have valued in the past or

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used to look up to or have had made so many memories

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with. It's a lot easier said than done to move

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past that. But I think honestly, acceptance,

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time, time heals. It really does. You know when

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you're in it when you're deep in the breakup

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it feels like the world is about to end and it

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really is not the world is not going to end unless

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the sun explodes but that's not going to be happening

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anytime soon so just. Time time therapy if you

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need acceptance and go and surround yourself

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with the people that make you feel good and you

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will know the difference if you have even one

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person in your life that makes you feel good.

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Spend your time with them. Yeah. Even if it's

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like your mom or your dad or your brother or

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your sister or your cousin, like it doesn't matter

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who it is. If they make you feel good. They're

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my friends too. Yeah. My family is my best friends.

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I love my like literally. And my friends, my

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close friends are my family. I literally you're

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the same to me, you know, like you are family

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to me. Yeah. Um, yeah. Yeah. Well, we've said

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all we can say. I think it's hard for us. It's

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easy and hard for us to talk about stuff like

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this because we're so like, we've got our standards

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set. Yeah, very much so. It's like we're just

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pumping out advice at this point rather than

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being like, we went through this and we went

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through this and we went through this. But you

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know what? That's what it's about because we're

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all about finding ourselves in our 20s and understanding

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how we can become the best versions of ourselves

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at this time in our lives and I think it's a

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very friendships definitely has a big impact

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again within your circle with how you end up

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becoming as that person so it's a very important

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subject to touch on. Yep absolutely. It's not

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that difficult like it's everything we spoke

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about in this podcast is in this podcast episode

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is like a little guide. A little crash course.

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To how you can filter out the people you don't

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need guys. Filter those peeps out because you

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are going to be a lot happier, I promise you.

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Yeah, thanks for tuning in guys for a short little

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episode. I think it's only been about, oh no,

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it's actually been almost 20 minutes. Oh wow.

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Yeah, time flies when you're having fun. But

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stay tuned for the next episode and thank you

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so much for listening and supporting the Lostish

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podcast. We appreciate it, absolutely. Everyone

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listening, everyone commenting, sharing, following,

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sending us beautiful messages. It's all very...

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Um, what's the word I'm looking for? Encouraging.

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Encouraging. It is very, very encouraging. It

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makes us love what we do. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways,

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we love you. Bye.
