WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.799 Are you feeling lost? Well, you've come to the 00:00:02.799 --> 00:00:05.559 right place. Welcome to Lostish, where we, Rose 00:00:05.559 --> 00:00:07.980 Chachko, and Emmanuella Kathreptakis, share 00:00:07.980 --> 00:00:10.140 what it's really like navigating your twenties. 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:12.880 We're two semi -lost girls figuring out careers, 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:15.800 relationships, wellness, purpose, and everything 00:00:15.800 --> 00:00:18.100 in between. Each week we dive into the highs, 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:20.579 the lows, and the lessons of chasing your dreams, 00:00:20.839 --> 00:00:23.059 finding happiness, and learning to embrace the 00:00:23.059 --> 00:00:25.160 uncertainty. We're not here to pretend like we've 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:27.719 loaded all together. We're simply just figuring 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:33.380 it out with you. Hey everyone! Welcome back to 00:00:33.380 --> 00:00:37.799 the Lostish podcast. It's great to be back a 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:41.500 week later. Tune in every Sunday morning. We 00:00:41.500 --> 00:00:45.219 have new episodes coming out. But just to get 00:00:45.219 --> 00:00:47.829 right... Right straight to the point straight 00:00:47.829 --> 00:00:50.950 to the point no blast today's episode is probably 00:00:50.950 --> 00:00:53.270 something that I feel will actually relate to 00:00:53.270 --> 00:00:56.590 so many people our age But probably piss off 00:00:56.590 --> 00:00:58.509 a lot of the people in the older generation. 00:00:58.530 --> 00:01:04.049 Yeah. Yeah, I think especially like parents and 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:07.780 Maybe even grandparents. But we're going to talk 00:01:07.780 --> 00:01:10.000 about it anyway because we like to be a little 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:13.079 bit controversial. One of our favorite conversations 00:01:13.079 --> 00:01:17.019 of all time. Yes. Um, university. Yeah. And look, 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:19.180 it's actually a topic that doesn't get talked 00:01:19.180 --> 00:01:23.459 about enough. And it's, it's super important 00:01:23.459 --> 00:01:26.000 because it's one of those things where like, 00:01:26.140 --> 00:01:29.870 you know, University isn't for everyone and it's 00:01:29.870 --> 00:01:32.930 the path that kind of gets drilled into us back 00:01:32.930 --> 00:01:35.010 when we're in school you know you finish school 00:01:35.010 --> 00:01:37.730 you do your high school certificate your exams 00:01:37.730 --> 00:01:42.430 you go to uni you get a job etc etc but that 00:01:42.430 --> 00:01:45.510 path isn't for everyone and we've really realized 00:01:45.510 --> 00:01:49.590 that along the way by being a university i've 00:01:49.590 --> 00:01:52.450 actually done i've got two degrees so i haven't. 00:01:52.349 --> 00:01:56.269 acting degree and a media and communications 00:01:56.269 --> 00:01:58.409 and film degree. And you know what I think we 00:01:58.409 --> 00:02:01.329 should preface the episode by saying that is 00:02:01.329 --> 00:02:05.129 that this I feel is probably something that an 00:02:05.129 --> 00:02:07.150 episode people will find funny that we're talking 00:02:07.150 --> 00:02:09.870 about because like I think we were both in high 00:02:09.870 --> 00:02:13.490 school the very like you know good girls always 00:02:13.490 --> 00:02:17.240 got good grades made it into university. Not 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:19.259 always, I didn't always get good grades, but. 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:22.620 No, but like strive for it. Yeah, we were hard 00:02:22.620 --> 00:02:25.419 working. From back home. Yeah. And I think that 00:02:25.419 --> 00:02:28.919 makes us all the more sort of reliable to speak 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:30.719 on this, because you'd think that we'd be the 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:32.699 first people to turn around and say, yep, it's 00:02:32.699 --> 00:02:35.539 great. Yeah. Fantastic. Everyone should go. Yeah. 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:37.879 Where in reality, I say this to everyone, that 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:40.340 if I had known what university would have been 00:02:40.340 --> 00:02:43.719 like. Four years ago when I started my degree 00:02:43.719 --> 00:02:48.120 I probably wouldn't have gone back. So yes and 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:49.900 like we said like we were actually talking about 00:02:49.900 --> 00:02:52.639 this yesterday with my mom university something 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:55.879 that we don't regret doing no like it's it's 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:59.819 a great tool but it's not a necessity and you 00:02:59.819 --> 00:03:03.879 can absolutely get by without it just get by 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:08.060 do well very well better than people who. you 00:03:08.060 --> 00:03:10.759 know go fifty to a hundred thousand dollars in 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:13.900 debt studying to get a literal paper like you 00:03:13.900 --> 00:03:16.360 have to even pay for your gown that's how ridiculous 00:03:16.360 --> 00:03:21.199 it is and your hat to in reality like do jobs 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:24.500 that you pretty much just work. Like learn on 00:03:24.500 --> 00:03:26.939 the job with experience i don't know some people 00:03:26.939 --> 00:03:30.300 saying that also everyone has a different experience 00:03:30.300 --> 00:03:32.879 some people like their life to university and 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:36.120 that's fine to be honest like i started a drama 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:42.060 school. Like literally before i went to actual 00:03:42.060 --> 00:03:46.280 uni and for me that was the most formative year 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:50.099 of my life not only did i meet. the most amazing 00:03:50.099 --> 00:03:52.939 people who are now my friends and my family but 00:03:52.939 --> 00:03:56.860 it also set me up for my acting career. It has 00:03:56.860 --> 00:03:59.520 also taught me so much about resilience so much 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:01.919 about myself like that was so formative and that 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:05.180 was I mean that that was uni for me for a year 00:04:05.180 --> 00:04:07.860 like that was I was actually gonna say I feel 00:04:07.860 --> 00:04:13.039 like what you did was. I wouldn't say it was 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:15.759 uni as much I'd say the type of uni we're referring 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:17.959 to what you did I think was great and it was 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:21.019 a one year crash course and like built up your 00:04:21.019 --> 00:04:24.000 confidence in a whole year. But I think the kind 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:26.259 of uni we're going to refer to in this podcast 00:04:26.259 --> 00:04:28.720 is more like the conventional the conventional 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:30.740 the one where people don't even know what they 00:04:30.740 --> 00:04:32.139 want to do but they're just like well I'm just 00:04:32.139 --> 00:04:34.060 going to go to uni just for the sake of going 00:04:34.060 --> 00:04:36.660 to uni. And they'll end up studying something 00:04:36.660 --> 00:04:38.759 that either they hate and then drop out one year 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:41.860 in or a four year course like four years submitting 00:04:41.860 --> 00:04:44.259 four years of your life to something that you're 00:04:44.259 --> 00:04:47.800 not sure about. I don't know and I think like 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:50.680 just. like to pause on that point the reason 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:53.160 why I bring up my drama school experience is 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:56.240 because like uni for everybody is different like 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:59.459 for me for a lot of people uni is film school 00:04:59.459 --> 00:05:02.100 it's art school it's fashion school it's drama 00:05:02.100 --> 00:05:04.480 school and because I'm I'm in the creative industry 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:07.480 that was what my life was so that's what I knew 00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:11.480 back then and then transitioning from a very 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:20.170 active very practical environment to A very conventional, 00:05:20.730 --> 00:05:23.189 traditional theory base sitting in a classroom, 00:05:23.290 --> 00:05:26.310 not talking to anyone, writing meaningful essay, 00:05:26.629 --> 00:05:29.149 meaningless. Yeah. Maybe some, some meaningful, 00:05:29.449 --> 00:05:33.310 some most meaningless, um, meaningless essays. 00:05:33.310 --> 00:05:37.649 And like, it's very, very different. And I think 00:05:37.649 --> 00:05:40.930 I really want that to change because I think 00:05:40.930 --> 00:05:43.250 uni would be a completely different environment. 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:47.839 If it was way more practical and involved that's 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:50.519 the thing that i think shocked both of us is 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:52.660 that like just a touch on sort of what we're 00:05:52.660 --> 00:05:54.480 doing obviously we're meeting communications. 00:05:58.459 --> 00:06:01.480 About to finish and i was speaking to rose about 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:04.399 it actually when when we initially wanted to 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:06.339 start this podcast and i was like it's actually 00:06:06.339 --> 00:06:08.439 crazy how we've gone through four years and if 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:10.839 you actually asked me what i've learned when 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:13.740 i first went into this degree i genuinely thought 00:06:13.740 --> 00:06:20.000 that by the end i'd be able to shoot a film work 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:24.339 a goby like no other like everything being excel 00:06:24.339 --> 00:06:27.660 queen write a newspaper like no other yeah and 00:06:27.660 --> 00:06:30.550 now It's like you look back and to be honest 00:06:30.550 --> 00:06:33.029 like we've both done internships we've both gone 00:06:33.029 --> 00:06:35.649 in the workforce to some extent and it's just 00:06:35.649 --> 00:06:38.470 so interesting how I feel like I could have done 00:06:38.470 --> 00:06:41.490 everything I learned at those jobs without my 00:06:41.490 --> 00:06:43.490 degree because you learn on the job you learn 00:06:43.490 --> 00:06:48.350 with experience and it's crazy how to me this 00:06:48.350 --> 00:06:51.470 the path of going to university yes it expands 00:06:51.470 --> 00:06:53.750 your knowledge but to some extent I view it as 00:06:53.750 --> 00:06:57.449 like You know doctors and GPs how like you can't 00:06:57.449 --> 00:07:00.009 specialize without going to a GP first. Yeah, 00:07:00.029 --> 00:07:01.629 why can't I just go straight to the specialist? 00:07:02.129 --> 00:07:04.569 Yeah, why do I have to go through that first? 00:07:04.769 --> 00:07:06.949 Like I'm not benefiting anything. It just seems 00:07:06.949 --> 00:07:09.009 like a little bit of a scam in my opinion. Yeah, 00:07:09.310 --> 00:07:12.089 and sometimes sometimes it is and it's like. 00:07:12.410 --> 00:07:14.829 Also, for a media and communications degree, 00:07:15.269 --> 00:07:19.250 you need a really high score. And that shocked 00:07:19.250 --> 00:07:22.350 me. It shocked me because I'm thinking to myself, 00:07:22.449 --> 00:07:25.089 like something like nursing, right, which is 00:07:25.089 --> 00:07:27.670 super important, where you literally have the 00:07:27.670 --> 00:07:30.910 lives of people in your hands. That is something 00:07:30.910 --> 00:07:34.170 to me that needs to be higher score. You know, 00:07:34.170 --> 00:07:37.970 in Australia, we call it an ATAR, which is the 00:07:37.970 --> 00:07:40.490 mark that you finish with after school. Basically, 00:07:40.730 --> 00:07:44.480 yeah. And nursing is Way lower than meeting communication 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:48.579 and it's like really in meeting communications 00:07:48.579 --> 00:07:51.639 you technically don't really have to go to uni 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:55.899 to have the knowledge absolutely skills and like 00:07:55.899 --> 00:07:59.139 this is what I want to reiterate is that uni 00:07:59.139 --> 00:08:03.100 is a tool it's not a life requirement can be 00:08:03.100 --> 00:08:05.720 a magnificent tool in connecting you with the 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:08.120 right people in teaching you a few tools and 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:12.490 skills and skills. Time management. Yeah. Confidence. 00:08:12.790 --> 00:08:16.029 Social things. Collaboration. Yeah. Writing skills. 00:08:16.050 --> 00:08:18.829 Like that sort of stuff. Yeah. But it's not, 00:08:18.850 --> 00:08:22.949 you don't need to, and that's not like for certain 00:08:22.949 --> 00:08:24.410 degrees, like to be a lawyer. I was actually 00:08:24.410 --> 00:08:27.350 just going to say lawyer, engineer, doctor. Medical. 00:08:27.629 --> 00:08:29.910 Anything medical related. We're not saying don't 00:08:29.910 --> 00:08:31.949 go to university. Please don't take it the wrong 00:08:31.949 --> 00:08:34.970 way. Yeah. But we're saying more for people who 00:08:34.970 --> 00:08:36.970 feel like that's not what they want to do, but 00:08:36.970 --> 00:08:40.220 feel like it's their only option because Because 00:08:40.220 --> 00:08:42.759 they just do yeah, and then they end up dropping 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:45.799 out halfway through anyway and paying you know 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:50.259 years worth of Hex or drop swapping degrees and 00:08:50.259 --> 00:08:52.279 then having to do sick do it all over again. 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:55.480 Yeah Oh, you know what? Some people want to do 00:08:55.480 --> 00:08:57.440 that But we want to make you feel a little bit 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:00.379 less alone if that's not The path that you want 00:09:00.379 --> 00:09:02.480 to take or you I was literally having this conversation 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:04.240 with my brother the other day He was saying like 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:05.740 he came into my room and he was like Emmanuel. 00:09:05.820 --> 00:09:09.179 I like I don't It's not really what i want to 00:09:09.179 --> 00:09:12.720 do he's in year 12 about to graduate high school 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:14.799 and he was like i know i don't want to go to 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:17.460 uni i know i can do so much more than that it 00:09:17.460 --> 00:09:20.960 just like look so depressing and a bit like you 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:23.659 know i'm stuck in a rat race but i feel like 00:09:23.659 --> 00:09:26.000 that's what you know our parents want us to do 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:29.639 and i'm like listen take it from me you don't 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:32.460 have to and i know that probably sounds hypocritical. 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:37.019 And this is coming from someone who is very well 00:09:37.019 --> 00:09:40.440 educated and like you have a lot of experience 00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:44.200 Yeah, I recognize look I did take school very 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:47.460 seriously But then obviously once I got into 00:09:47.460 --> 00:09:50.059 university high school grades became irrelevant 00:09:50.059 --> 00:09:52.580 now that I'm in the real world University seems 00:09:52.580 --> 00:09:54.879 to have become a bit irrelevant and it's just 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:58.019 funny how I can recognize the benefits it has 00:09:58.019 --> 00:10:02.000 to some people and to building life skills, but 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:07.279 not so much specific degree skill if that makes 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:10.460 sense I don't know maybe we're rambling on about 00:10:10.460 --> 00:10:13.120 specifically our degree I just think university 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:16.080 has become a little bit too of like an expectation 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:19.850 now it's a precious thing I think sometimes You 00:10:19.850 --> 00:10:22.830 feel this pressure to like have a certification 00:10:22.830 --> 00:10:27.409 in something or a paper in your hand. Something 00:10:27.409 --> 00:10:30.669 in life nowadays, but that doesn't have to be 00:10:30.669 --> 00:10:33.350 a university degree. But also people can do such 00:10:33.350 --> 00:10:36.409 amazing things with no piece of paper. Like the 00:10:36.409 --> 00:10:38.509 amount of people who I know who are very, who 00:10:38.509 --> 00:10:41.090 have very successful businesses who are like, 00:10:41.090 --> 00:10:42.970 you know, I'm not going to go down that traditional 00:10:42.970 --> 00:10:44.830 path. I'm going to actually create something 00:10:44.830 --> 00:10:47.929 of my own and have become so successful in a 00:10:47.929 --> 00:10:50.259 very fine. financially stable and things like 00:10:50.259 --> 00:10:53.980 that. It's really inspiring actually. That's 00:10:53.980 --> 00:10:55.779 not to say you can't do that with a degree too, 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:57.759 I've just recognised a pattern that happens a 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:00.039 lot later in life than people that take the risk 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:05.610 to do it earlier on. So yeah. No i think it's 00:11:05.610 --> 00:11:07.230 it's one of those things that people are gonna 00:11:07.230 --> 00:11:09.490 agree people are gonna disagree but i think that's 00:11:09.490 --> 00:11:11.610 why we want to talk about it is the fact that 00:11:11.610 --> 00:11:13.789 there are gonna be different opinions on it people 00:11:13.789 --> 00:11:15.830 may think what are you guys talking about unis 00:11:15.830 --> 00:11:17.929 the greatest thing in the world and and i need 00:11:17.929 --> 00:11:20.490 to like i have to go to uni to make it in life 00:11:20.490 --> 00:11:23.330 if that's what you think that's fine like that's 00:11:23.330 --> 00:11:26.269 your that's your journey that's your path but 00:11:26.269 --> 00:11:28.210 ninety percent of people that we've spoken to 00:11:28.210 --> 00:11:30.549 are on. Are on the boat that are on the opposite 00:11:30.549 --> 00:11:32.429 of life. Yeah. I don't know what I'm doing. I 00:11:32.429 --> 00:11:34.889 actually haven't learned anything. Now that chat 00:11:34.889 --> 00:11:37.830 GPT is a thing. I feel like that's been taking 00:11:37.830 --> 00:11:40.029 over. Now it's literally just a tool for people 00:11:40.029 --> 00:11:43.029 to end up fast tracking their paper. You have 00:11:43.029 --> 00:11:46.570 people in, in medical, doing medical degrees, 00:11:46.750 --> 00:11:50.210 our future doctors, our future nurses, our future 00:11:50.210 --> 00:11:54.929 surgeons, right? And chat GPT is writing their 00:11:54.929 --> 00:11:58.169 assignments, writing their exams. And it's just. 00:11:58.190 --> 00:12:00.970 It's a little bit scary to talk the other day 00:12:00.970 --> 00:12:03.049 that literally said guys stay healthy because 00:12:03.049 --> 00:12:05.830 just a reminder your current people studying 00:12:05.830 --> 00:12:10.210 medicine are using. Not everyone we're not saying 00:12:10.210 --> 00:12:13.830 anyone but a lot a lot of scary yeah i've got 00:12:13.830 --> 00:12:15.509 friends doing medicine who are like oh yeah i 00:12:15.509 --> 00:12:17.389 just got you know not to write out my friends 00:12:17.389 --> 00:12:20.350 or anything but yeah chat gbt just like did my 00:12:20.350 --> 00:12:23.750 essay for me and i was like whoa like right but 00:12:23.750 --> 00:12:26.639 like that's really scary because you're. You're 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:28.679 gonna be looking after me when I'm older. You're 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:31.200 gonna be the future. Yeah, and it's not to say 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:34.100 we haven't used it before but I'm actually so 00:12:34.100 --> 00:12:36.580 lucky that it didn't come out at the beginning 00:12:36.580 --> 00:12:39.179 of our degree No, I know because it taught us 00:12:39.179 --> 00:12:41.519 it taught us how it taught us the skills that 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:44.220 we needed to know But now it's like we're in 00:12:44.220 --> 00:12:46.440 our last year of uni, right? The home stretch 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:50.059 and it's like chat GPT has has come in handy 00:12:50.059 --> 00:12:53.220 a lot But it's also like to be honest our last 00:12:53.220 --> 00:12:56.200 last year went doing a little bit of pointless 00:12:56.200 --> 00:13:02.279 things. You'd think you'd be doing things exactly. 00:13:03.379 --> 00:13:07.399 But the most, I think for me, the best kind of 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:10.360 experience I've had this year from uni and what 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:13.159 has come from uni is my internship. I'm doing 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:16.679 a fabulous internship with the Sydney Film Festival, 00:13:17.419 --> 00:13:20.559 which is Amazing and you know i've been in films 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:22.379 that have been a part of the festival in the 00:13:22.379 --> 00:13:24.440 in the past and something that i feel really 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:27.259 passionate about and although it's not acting 00:13:27.259 --> 00:13:32.679 so much which is my main job. It still provides 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:35.820 me with the right skills of behind behind the 00:13:35.820 --> 00:13:38.340 scenes things to see how it all evolves and if 00:13:38.340 --> 00:13:40.019 that's something that i wanted to go into the 00:13:40.019 --> 00:13:43.139 future great that's i have that up my sleeve 00:13:43.139 --> 00:13:46.360 you know and i'm actually in the room i'm networking 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:49.879 with people i'm meeting amazing creatives who 00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:53.059 are in the industry and i'm working with a fabulous 00:13:53.059 --> 00:13:56.179 team that has actually taught me. a lot and it's 00:13:56.179 --> 00:13:59.059 told me that a workplace can be really fun at 00:13:59.059 --> 00:14:01.039 work it doesn't have to be all serious it doesn't 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:03.740 have to be a depressing place that you don't 00:14:03.740 --> 00:14:06.600 want to be at it's about finding that niche i 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:08.539 wouldn't have had that opportunity if i didn't 00:14:08.539 --> 00:14:11.620 go to uni because i got that through uni and 00:14:11.620 --> 00:14:13.580 it was a requirement for us i know you're doing 00:14:13.580 --> 00:14:16.559 an internship as well with a very similar situation 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:18.860 i'm currently doing a pr internship at a company 00:14:18.860 --> 00:14:21.299 that i love and i was there for almost six months 00:14:21.299 --> 00:14:25.279 last year um but i guess my point was with before 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:28.379 again, like it's one of the less and one of the 00:14:28.379 --> 00:14:31.419 more fun actually sides of the corporate jobs. 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:35.720 But I guess what I was saying before about how 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:38.820 I learned so much more on the job rather than 00:14:38.820 --> 00:14:41.039 carrying things over for my degree, like every 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:44.659 single person in my office did go to university. 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:47.539 But I remember going there last year and being 00:14:47.539 --> 00:14:50.080 like, I feel like I could do this stuff without 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:53.519 university. But it's a requirement you say that's 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:55.820 interesting you say that because not everyone 00:14:55.820 --> 00:14:59.940 at my really at my job went to university yeah 00:14:59.940 --> 00:15:01.779 there's a few people in there that have an acting 00:15:01.779 --> 00:15:05.419 degree that i who i went to nida with but not 00:15:05.419 --> 00:15:10.679 the conventional. Like university yeah it's and 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:13.600 and people have employed people are working people 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:15.720 are getting money but they're in an industry 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:19.740 with where they want to be there. Not so much 00:15:19.740 --> 00:15:21.779 because they have a paper in their hands and 00:15:21.779 --> 00:15:23.500 they're like yeah now it's a requirement for 00:15:23.500 --> 00:15:27.500 me to start working cuz i'm certified. You know 00:15:27.500 --> 00:15:30.139 what let's talk about let's move on to i'm speaking 00:15:30.139 --> 00:15:33.759 about how people can. Sort of have that tough 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:36.460 conversation with their parents if they feel 00:15:36.460 --> 00:15:39.120 like it's truly not something if you feel like 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:42.159 it's your only option and you know It is always 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:45.100 better to go ahead and study or take some time 00:15:45.100 --> 00:15:46.980 off to find what you're interested in and what 00:15:46.980 --> 00:15:50.120 you want to pursue Yes, don't be afraid to take 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:52.679 some time off. Yeah, if you want to take a gap 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:55.960 year do that like I actually have a gap years 00:15:55.960 --> 00:15:57.840 first then. Yeah. Let's, let's just talk about 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:00.720 that for a second because here I have written 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:05.480 down trust your gut, not the timeline. If you 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:08.440 think that you need a bit more time to figure 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:11.190 out. What you want to do with your life whether 00:16:11.190 --> 00:16:12.950 you need the path or whether you just want like 00:16:12.950 --> 00:16:15.649 experience for a year you know traveling whether 00:16:15.649 --> 00:16:19.309 it be working as well like being freelance take 00:16:19.309 --> 00:16:22.970 that path. Take it off and do nothing and just 00:16:22.970 --> 00:16:26.570 you know be a productive be a productive year 00:16:26.570 --> 00:16:29.610 and and do what you love in that year experiment 00:16:29.610 --> 00:16:32.809 try five different jobs if you want to they could 00:16:32.809 --> 00:16:36.350 be casual going going. Again what rose said travel 00:16:36.350 --> 00:16:40.230 a little bit i think i know a lot of people that 00:16:40.230 --> 00:16:42.649 have taken gap years and i know when i applied 00:16:42.649 --> 00:16:45.850 to university actually i remember i think i told 00:16:45.850 --> 00:16:48.970 you this before that i only applied to that what 00:16:48.970 --> 00:16:51.370 to the one university and i told myself if i 00:16:51.370 --> 00:16:54.190 didn't get in i'm taking yeah you did and now 00:16:54.190 --> 00:16:56.389 i'm saying you know what okay i got into the 00:16:56.389 --> 00:17:00.429 union i went now i'm gonna take a gap year after. 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.559 Because I feel like even then, whether you do 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:06.019 it before or after or in between, it doesn't 00:17:06.019 --> 00:17:10.099 matter. Taking the time to truly figure out what 00:17:10.099 --> 00:17:12.160 you want to do. Don't feel like you're stuck. 00:17:12.339 --> 00:17:16.519 It's actually smarter to take the time off to 00:17:16.519 --> 00:17:19.380 figure out what you actually want than to just 00:17:19.380 --> 00:17:22.809 go in. And then figure out you hate it. It's 00:17:22.809 --> 00:17:25.829 actually smarter, it's not lazy. I actually have 00:17:25.829 --> 00:17:28.410 that written down here as well. Gappies can offer 00:17:28.410 --> 00:17:30.690 real clarity and lead to better choices in the 00:17:30.690 --> 00:17:33.509 future. They really can and I feel like if I 00:17:33.509 --> 00:17:35.789 didn't take, I didn't necessarily take a gap 00:17:35.789 --> 00:17:37.789 year, but I didn't go straight from school to 00:17:37.789 --> 00:17:40.990 a conventional uni. I did drama school for a 00:17:40.990 --> 00:17:43.809 year and that's why I had to defer my other degree 00:17:43.809 --> 00:17:48.319 because I got into NIDA and I thought, okay this 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:50.740 is gonna be a really formative year in my life 00:17:50.740 --> 00:17:53.599 doing what i love to do learning so much about 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:56.180 myself building resilience building friendships 00:17:56.180 --> 00:17:58.619 building connections and that's exactly what 00:17:58.619 --> 00:18:01.200 i did and i would i don't think i would have 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:04.859 been able to have the experience that i had later 00:18:04.859 --> 00:18:08.259 on in life if i didn't have taken that year off 00:18:08.259 --> 00:18:10.359 to pursue something that i wanted to pursue and 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:12.599 figure it out for myself because that year as 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:14.480 well i was like do i want to go to you now after 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:17.920 this Oh, I don't know. I didn't necessarily want 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:19.880 to, but I thought, you know what, like, I'm still 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:23.319 so young. I want to keep learning. I want to 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:25.880 keep learning. I want to keep connecting. And 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:28.359 to be honest, if I didn't go to uni, it wouldn't 00:18:28.359 --> 00:18:32.680 have led me to you. Stop. That is so true. I 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:34.579 didn't even think about it. It wouldn't have 00:18:34.579 --> 00:18:36.400 led us to each other and this podcast wouldn't 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:38.079 exist. Exactly. I don't even think we would have 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:40.609 started a podcast. No. We did do a podcasting 00:18:40.609 --> 00:18:43.230 unit at university guys. We did. We did a podcasting 00:18:43.230 --> 00:18:45.470 and radio unit and we loved it. I think we learnt 00:18:45.470 --> 00:18:49.650 most of this on our own again. Yeah. But not 00:18:49.650 --> 00:18:52.410 to dis on any of our teachers or anything. I 00:18:52.410 --> 00:18:54.509 mean, no, they probably don't even know who we 00:18:54.509 --> 00:18:57.849 are. Yeah, it's actually crazy how you're not 00:18:57.849 --> 00:19:00.170 connected. No, you're not. It's not like school. 00:19:00.430 --> 00:19:02.309 I think school is a hundred percent beneficial. 00:19:02.509 --> 00:19:05.309 I think everyone should finish school. I think 00:19:05.309 --> 00:19:07.410 that teaches you the foundation of your life 00:19:07.410 --> 00:19:09.549 skills. But once you get into university, it's 00:19:09.549 --> 00:19:12.269 crazy how much you become a number. Yeah. You're 00:19:12.269 --> 00:19:16.349 just like, I don't feel connected to any of my 00:19:16.349 --> 00:19:19.410 teachers. At school, I still keep in touch with 00:19:19.410 --> 00:19:21.990 all of my teachers from school. So do I. I loved 00:19:21.990 --> 00:19:24.049 my school teachers and they were the most, they 00:19:24.049 --> 00:19:26.309 were honestly like, it's kind of weird to say, 00:19:26.390 --> 00:19:28.769 but like a second family to me. I don't keep 00:19:28.769 --> 00:19:32.069 in contact with a single person from my year, 00:19:32.410 --> 00:19:35.430 but my teachers, like if I see one of my teachers 00:19:35.430 --> 00:19:38.029 on the street, like you best believe it'll be 00:19:38.029 --> 00:19:40.369 such a fulfilling interaction. And they still. 00:19:40.490 --> 00:19:42.849 all wholeheartedly support me they all watched 00:19:42.849 --> 00:19:46.069 my show they like a lot of them came to my showcase 00:19:46.069 --> 00:19:48.349 at drama school and things like that and i was 00:19:48.349 --> 00:19:50.750 like oh my god it's so beautiful it's really 00:19:50.750 --> 00:19:53.650 beautiful and in uni that doesn't happen no in 00:19:53.650 --> 00:19:56.369 university i don't even remember one name exactly 00:19:56.369 --> 00:20:00.569 like who that might not be everyone's experience 00:20:00.569 --> 00:20:05.609 no it's just so big and it's so it's transactional 00:20:05.609 --> 00:20:08.470 yeah yeah anyways let's go back to what we were 00:20:08.470 --> 00:20:10.450 talking about about the conversation to have 00:20:10.450 --> 00:20:13.230 with your parents or whoever it is in your life 00:20:13.230 --> 00:20:15.109 that's trying to encourage you. To be honest, 00:20:15.230 --> 00:20:17.430 one thing, and I've said this to my parents and 00:20:17.430 --> 00:20:20.170 family's faces, so they can't say I'm saying 00:20:20.170 --> 00:20:24.529 anything behind their backs. But it's actually 00:20:24.529 --> 00:20:27.529 so interesting how people that have gone to university 00:20:27.529 --> 00:20:31.069 are the first people sometimes that will turn 00:20:31.069 --> 00:20:33.730 around and say, you know what, you don't have 00:20:33.730 --> 00:20:35.930 to. It's not for everyone because they know what 00:20:35.930 --> 00:20:39.519 it's like. My dad is the only other person in 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:42.460 my family that went to university and my dad 00:20:42.460 --> 00:20:45.099 is the only one that said I wholeheartedly agree 00:20:45.099 --> 00:20:46.640 with you. He went to the same uni as us and he 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:50.160 was like I Don't regret going it definitely expanded 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:52.279 my education, but I'm not ever going to push 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:55.980 anyone to go Whereas my mom, and I've gotten 00:20:55.980 --> 00:20:58.240 my mom a little bit on board now, but my mom, 00:20:58.460 --> 00:21:00.240 my grandparents, the other grandparents, it's 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:02.940 like instilled in their brain. And it's like, 00:21:02.940 --> 00:21:04.799 as if you're not going to go to uni. You have 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:06.579 to go to uni. Like what else are you going to 00:21:06.579 --> 00:21:09.299 do? Like you have to get a degree. My family 00:21:09.299 --> 00:21:13.579 is the same really. Yeah. And it's, I think it's 00:21:13.579 --> 00:21:15.880 a bit of a traditional mindset now, not a bit. 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:17.980 It is traditional, but it's just so interesting 00:21:17.980 --> 00:21:20.339 to me how the people that haven't even experienced 00:21:20.339 --> 00:21:23.579 it from themselves, there's such a, stigma around 00:21:23.579 --> 00:21:25.759 it being the best thing on earth and sort of 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:30.059 the only option to get ahead in life. Yeah. When 00:21:30.059 --> 00:21:32.599 that's not the case at all. And the people that 00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:34.400 have gone to the first people that will say, 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:36.099 you don't have to go if you don't want to. It's 00:21:36.099 --> 00:21:37.720 not for everyone. You can definitely go. It's 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:40.779 not a bad thing. It's not the best thing. And 00:21:40.779 --> 00:21:43.160 I just found that so interesting. So yeah, how 00:21:43.160 --> 00:21:45.299 should people let's chat a little bit about how 00:21:45.299 --> 00:21:48.440 people should navigate. Having that rough conversation. 00:21:48.500 --> 00:21:50.720 What tips would you give to people to be honest 00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:53.539 at the end of the day? I would say it's your 00:21:53.539 --> 00:21:56.920 life It's not your parents life. It's not your 00:21:56.920 --> 00:21:58.799 grandparents life. It's not your boyfriend's 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:01.839 or your girlfriend's life. It's your life and 00:22:01.839 --> 00:22:05.079 you need to make the decision that's right for 00:22:05.079 --> 00:22:07.619 you and sometimes you've got to block the noise 00:22:07.619 --> 00:22:10.619 like, you know, you can obviously listen to parents 00:22:10.619 --> 00:22:16.140 and friends and family for advice and Navigation 00:22:16.140 --> 00:22:20.720 but like. Ultimately it's your life if your mom 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:24.099 or dad says to you. Are you need to go to university 00:22:24.099 --> 00:22:26.160 and become a doctor because i'm a doctor and 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:29.140 everyone in our family is a doctor but you don't 00:22:29.140 --> 00:22:32.369 want to be a doctor. You're going to be miserable 00:22:32.369 --> 00:22:34.630 if you go and pursue something that you don't 00:22:34.630 --> 00:22:38.589 want to pursue It is your life and you only have 00:22:38.589 --> 00:22:42.049 one you only have one life I would give to people 00:22:42.049 --> 00:22:43.990 is don't take advice from people that haven't 00:22:43.990 --> 00:22:46.089 been in the situation that you're wanting to 00:22:46.089 --> 00:22:48.930 pursue or People that haven't done it themselves 00:22:48.930 --> 00:22:52.730 and that's not me talking down on you know my 00:22:52.730 --> 00:22:55.470 family that I was just referring to but It's 00:22:55.470 --> 00:22:58.150 definite i don't i only take what they say with 00:22:58.150 --> 00:23:00.730 a grain of salt to an extent where someone like 00:23:00.730 --> 00:23:02.930 my dad i'm like okay it's a bit comforting to 00:23:02.930 --> 00:23:04.750 know that you went and you don't think it's the 00:23:04.750 --> 00:23:08.029 bill and end or like someone for example who. 00:23:08.450 --> 00:23:10.329 I've got a couple really close friends who dropped 00:23:10.329 --> 00:23:13.369 out of high school even and are now pursuing 00:23:13.369 --> 00:23:15.089 great things and stuff that they really want 00:23:15.089 --> 00:23:18.750 to see that people doubted them for ages and 00:23:18.750 --> 00:23:22.529 it's really inspiring to see and yeah reaffirming 00:23:22.529 --> 00:23:26.480 that it's not. completely necessary for everyone. 00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:32.859 Like we said, it's a tool, not a necessity. To 00:23:32.859 --> 00:23:35.940 be honest, when it comes to advice, ultimately, 00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:38.759 I think meshing the two things that we've kind 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:45.019 of said, it's no one else's business. Or decision 00:23:45.019 --> 00:23:48.740 of what you want to do and if that disappoints 00:23:48.740 --> 00:23:51.940 people that disappoints parents of that disappoints 00:23:51.940 --> 00:23:55.400 friends or partners and so be it you know like 00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:58.980 you. And it's not to say that your parents aren't 00:23:58.980 --> 00:24:02.539 gonna support you because they are piece of advice 00:24:02.539 --> 00:24:05.500 that my dad gave me once please so he told me 00:24:05.500 --> 00:24:07.119 once and this has been ingrained in my brain 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:10.240 ever since i was like fifteen years old. but 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:12.559 he said to me he's like do what you love and 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:14.480 you'll never have to work a day in your life 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:18.160 and it's crazy to me how simple it is and people 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:20.759 may have heard that a million times before but 00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:23.759 that's literally all it's about everyone has 00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:26.200 to work people by human nature have to have a 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:27.900 purpose and have to be working towards something 00:24:27.900 --> 00:24:29.839 i wouldn't want to be doing nothing with my life 00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:32.200 and to be honest i say to myself all the time 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:34.539 like if i just had free -flowing money and i 00:24:34.539 --> 00:24:38.140 never had to work or work towards something whether 00:24:38.140 --> 00:24:41.559 that be you know In my life now a university 00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:45.000 assignment or going to my casual job or whatever 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.160 it may be working on my body at the gym or eating 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:52.279 well. By human nature we are those types of people 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:55.940 however when it comes to your work life. Doing 00:24:55.940 --> 00:24:57.740 something you love will make it obviously not 00:24:57.740 --> 00:25:01.599 feel like work and yeah. It's you having to work 00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:03.779 a day in your life yeah doing what you love like 00:25:03.779 --> 00:25:06.200 imagine you if you were acting i don't think 00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:09.019 you would like yes you'd be exhausted but you'd 00:25:09.019 --> 00:25:12.349 love it. I don't think that's your dream, I don't 00:25:12.349 --> 00:25:15.410 think you can sit there considering it work as 00:25:15.410 --> 00:25:18.109 such. Do you know what I'm trying to say? For 00:25:18.109 --> 00:25:22.269 me, this is how I like to put it for people, 00:25:22.670 --> 00:25:25.529 take it how you want to take it, but for me acting 00:25:25.529 --> 00:25:28.170 is one of those things that it's the hardest 00:25:28.170 --> 00:25:30.670 job, not the hardest job in the world, but it's 00:25:30.670 --> 00:25:32.809 one of the hardest things that I've ever had 00:25:32.809 --> 00:25:36.410 to do. And it gives me a lot of stress and a 00:25:36.410 --> 00:25:39.670 lot of anxiety and uncertainty in life. But it's 00:25:39.670 --> 00:25:42.009 so worth it because it's something that I literally 00:25:42.009 --> 00:25:44.990 cannot live without. It's just in my blood. I 00:25:44.990 --> 00:25:50.230 just love it so much that it actually just counteracts 00:25:50.230 --> 00:25:53.910 everything else. And for me, when I'm, you know, 00:25:54.089 --> 00:25:57.809 on set or on the stage or even auditioning, like, 00:25:57.970 --> 00:26:00.690 look, auditioning isn't fun because, you know, 00:26:00.829 --> 00:26:03.500 it's, it's. it's very hard and there's a lot 00:26:03.500 --> 00:26:07.180 of rejection but I love it and for me like if 00:26:07.180 --> 00:26:09.500 I get it if I get an email from my agent telling 00:26:09.500 --> 00:26:12.759 me you have an audition for so -and -so I guess 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:16.319 I get so excited not because I'm like yeah okay 00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:18.559 I'm gonna land this role but because it gives 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:21.079 me an opportunity to show what I can do it gives 00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:23.319 me an opportunity to be put up for something 00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:26.559 great and I just love it I'm just like this is 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:29.519 an opportunity for me to show myself I completely 00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:31.319 understand where you're coming from because we'll 00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:33.619 expand on this in another episode but I was very 00:26:33.619 --> 00:26:36.079 similar with and I was just gonna give another 00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:40.799 piece of advice with stuff like that. But I think 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:43.220 for us, the reason we love this stuff so much, 00:26:43.299 --> 00:26:45.420 the more unconventional things is because it's 00:26:45.420 --> 00:26:48.259 something that we would do for free. Even if 00:26:48.259 --> 00:26:50.500 you weren't getting paid for it, that's how you 00:26:50.500 --> 00:26:53.000 know you truly love it. And that applies for 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:57.140 so many things. It doesn't have to be an unconventional 00:26:57.140 --> 00:26:59.700 role. I know people that thrive off of the jobs 00:26:59.700 --> 00:27:01.799 that they're doing. People that are teachers. 00:27:02.389 --> 00:27:04.309 I know people that would do it for free just 00:27:04.309 --> 00:27:06.130 because they're obsessed with children. I have 00:27:06.130 --> 00:27:08.450 about five different friends that are primary 00:27:08.450 --> 00:27:10.470 or high school teachers that absolutely love 00:27:10.470 --> 00:27:13.509 it. Yeah. And they wake up every day and are 00:27:13.509 --> 00:27:16.829 so excited to go and teach their children, practically. 00:27:18.049 --> 00:27:20.150 So it doesn't have to be just, you know, acting, 00:27:20.450 --> 00:27:23.329 modelling, athletes. No, because we're the simplest 00:27:23.329 --> 00:27:27.529 thing. Yeah, surely anything but the point is 00:27:27.529 --> 00:27:30.589 truly taking the time to sit back think about 00:27:30.589 --> 00:27:33.390 what you want to do with your life Not listening 00:27:33.390 --> 00:27:35.589 to outside perspectives, especially people that 00:27:35.589 --> 00:27:37.170 aren't in the position that you want to be in 00:27:37.170 --> 00:27:40.309 or haven't done what you want to do figure out 00:27:40.309 --> 00:27:42.710 what it is that you love and then take the steps 00:27:42.710 --> 00:27:46.150 to do that because That's the only way that you're 00:27:46.150 --> 00:27:48.309 gonna feel like you're not burning yourself out 00:27:48.309 --> 00:27:50.289 that you're doing something you'll love you love 00:27:50.289 --> 00:27:54.630 that it doesn't feel like work and I guess we've 00:27:54.630 --> 00:27:57.450 gone a little bit of a tangent off of the university 00:27:57.450 --> 00:28:00.569 scheme, but that's just because I feel like now 00:28:00.569 --> 00:28:03.009 so many people treat it as their only option. 00:28:03.009 --> 00:28:05.849 Yeah. And it's not an only option. Take this 00:28:05.849 --> 00:28:07.809 from people that have done it for four years, 00:28:07.829 --> 00:28:12.130 rose for five. Yep. It's not the only option. 00:28:12.789 --> 00:28:15.869 And I just want to reiterate, it is your life 00:28:15.869 --> 00:28:20.829 and no one else's and you choose your path and. 00:28:22.470 --> 00:28:25.990 outside influences, just put a little block because 00:28:25.990 --> 00:28:30.289 it's your life. You only have one of them. YOLO. 00:28:30.630 --> 00:28:32.630 Yep. That's it. We've covered everything. I just 00:28:32.630 --> 00:28:34.650 went through our talking points and that was 00:28:34.650 --> 00:28:37.009 everything. Well, we hope you enjoyed this episode. 00:28:37.329 --> 00:28:39.109 I actually really liked this episode. Yeah, I 00:28:39.109 --> 00:28:42.390 do. We got very passionate and into it. Anyway, 00:28:43.430 --> 00:28:48.089 we will see you in the next one. Bye.