Are you feeling lost? Well, you've come to the
right place. Welcome to Lost -ish, where we,
Rose Chachko, and Emanuella Kathriptakis, share
what it's really like navigating your twenties.
We're two semi -lost girls figuring out careers,
relationships, wellness, purpose, and everything
in between. Each week we dive into the highs,
the lows, and lessons of chasing your dreams,
finding happiness, and learning to embrace the
uncertainty. We're not here to pretend like we've
loaded all together. We're simply just figuring
it out with you. Episode two, episode two. Welcome
back to episode two of the Lostish podcast. We
are back and better than ever. We're just kidding.
We literally filmed episode one like two seconds
ago. But for those of you who are here because
you listened to episode one, thank you so much.
We really, really appreciate you guys listening
in and supporting. We genuinely have no idea
what to expect. We're just here to help you so
we can help us. That's true. So this episode,
we're going to be talking about ditching the
script and finding your own path. And we have
a script in our hand. So we don't miss anything.
Correct. So we're not like trying to slack off.
We want to give you all the good stuff because
we don't yeah, as you said, I'm just repeating
myself We don't want to miss out on anything.
Yeah, so I guess what this episode is going to
sort of focus on is Finding your purpose in life
learning how to sort of like escape social norms
and for us, obviously Coming from very European
backgrounds. We sort of have these like social
structures and everyone sort of assumes and when
we say everyone we're talking mainly the household
we grew up in Not to talk down on our parents
by any way shape or form but we definitely came
from a situation where we were in a one -size
-fits -all Sort of had expectations of a one
-size -fits -all society Lots and lots of expectations.
Yeah, and what we mean by that is like obviously
the you know, being born, growing up, going to
school, going to uni, getting a job, starting
a family. Getting married, having kids, being
the like ideal kind of. Yeah, which by no means
is a bad thing. No, if you have that, I wanna
be you. However, on top of that, I think that
where it becomes a problem is when people start
to sort of go about life doing that as a bandaid
option for... Pursuing what they truly want to
do whether it's because they're scared to do
so or whether because they you know They think
that they won't fit into the norms of society
or you know They need to impress a certain person
in their life or anything along those lines.
So that's sort of what this episode is about
We obviously like like external influences are
actually such a huge thing. We look at our parents
We look at our friends the peers that we surround
ourselves with. Oh, you most definitely become
like a product of the people you're surrounded
with. The saying, you are who you surround yourself
with, I actually - Could not be more true. No,
I truly believe in that. And I've experienced
it myself, where there's, you know, the people
that I hang out with, you kind of mould yourself
to the environment you're in, whether it's a
bad environment or a good environment. Yeah,
and I definitely think that's why we're so different
as well, because our situations are pretty different
too. Totally. So yeah, I think that's definitely
the first thing we wanted to talk about. Now,
how did we actually get to sort of half decide
what we wanted to do in terms of, you know, for
example, starting this podcast? So I think a
couple important things is obviously too many
people normalize kind of like you are yes you
are where you're supposed to be for sure however
on top of that it needs to be a situation where
people aren't overly normalizing sort of i think
it's because i think what i'm trying to say is
that it's become a topic of conversation for
people to bond over complaining and being unhappy
with where they are and not knowing what they're
doing with their life which is exactly what we're
trying to change now how did we do that for me
personally i as wild as it sounds I decided to
have a conversation with my 80 year old self.
And this was something, yeah. So this was something
that I - Well like a physical, like you sat yourself
down in the mirror and you're like, 80 year old
Emanuella. I literally closed my eyes in my bed
and this was something that my partner actually
told me to do. But I literally closed my eyes
in my bed and I pretended that I was holding
the hand of my 80 year old self and like fully
going into the zone of having a conversation
with her and being like, so, What do what what
what did you do? What are you happy that you
did in life? and I think it's such an under if
you do it well, it can be such an underestimated
thing to do and This might be the first time
you're hearing of doing something like this But
basically she pretty much told me, you know I
want to see as much of the world as I saw as
much of the world as I could and I helped as
many people as I could and I think that Second
part that she told me this sounds so we'd say
but that second part was more about That's where
the spark came about, you know, starting speaking
to about starting a podcast because I was like,
well, how can I help people trust me before this?
It was not in my realm of thinking. I know you
always wanted a podcast, but for me it was, it
was kind of always out of reach. I was like,
well, I don't have a following. I don't come
from any special background. I'm not, you know,
highly qualified with 25 years of experience
in anything specific, but. I did always think
that I sort of had a very different mindset to
people in terms of like I didn't think I had
to be stuck in societal norms and that's sort
of where that initiation sparked for me and also
just working backwards I think is another important
thing is sort of figuring out what you want that
end goal to be and then sort of taking baby steps
day to day that can get you closer to that path
so for me it was like well okay you want to help
people how can you help people? even without
a following, these words might resonate with
a lot of people. Yeah. So I was like, that's
why I want to start, you know, possibly with
a podcast, obviously doing good deeds, having
faith, all of that kind of stuff. So I think
that's where it started for me. We also like,
I think with you and I, we have a lot of these
conversations. We have a lot of sleepovers. We
also have a lot of deep chats. Deep and meaningfuls.
And we always just talk about the most like...
I don't know what the plural of epiphanies is,
but like we come out, we come with such, we come
out of these conversations with such revelations
and epiphanies. And I feel like we have so much
to say about that. And I feel like this is the
perfect kind of outlet to do that. And it was
so funny because literally when we first started
speaking about the podcast, we had literally
just gone on a random lunch one day and we were
sitting and I was like, Rose. I've had enough.
Like, I've had enough of, we're almost done university.
Again, I know we sort of touched on this in episode
one, but we had had enough with feeling like
we had to sort of conform to, again, the societal
norms. I'm gonna use that word a lot because
that's what this episode is about. But, and she
so quickly jumped on my bandwagon and was like,
I'm so on board, 100%. I'm exactly, like, I feel
like this double, like, what you feel. So. that
was definitely an easy switch for us and then
again we very quickly realized that it was a
very universal experience and again like goals
can be different. Goals can absolutely be different
yeah and even if you don't have any goals that's
okay. as long as you are on the path to figuring
out what your goals are going to be. And making
sure you're not covering up. This is what we
sort of this is probably our biggest goal. We
want to make sure that you're fully pursuing
exactly what you want to be pursuing in your
life. And I know a lot of people have these goals.
And when I say goals can be different, I mean,
goals can be different for each and every person
individually. Like my goals. Look, we actually
have very similar goals. I was going to say my
goals are different to yours. but they are similar
but they're also different like we have two different
aspirations in life but it's the same kind of
thing is like you said you want to you want to
see as much of the world and you want to help
as many people as you can and i think that's
kind of the basis of what i want to do in more
of a in more of a career related sense yeah exactly
so and i think going from that Like Emanuela
said we grew up in very European households We're
very we're very proud of our culture and the
way that we grew up and but obviously it's very
different to like We live in Australia by the
way if anyone's listening are overseas We live
in Sydney, Australia, and it's it's kind of very
different to Growing up in that Aussie chill,
you know lifestyle where everything's kind of
all good and You know, you're just going with
the flow It's a very go with the flow busy busy
fast -paced lifestyle, which is which is great
Like it's it's a beautiful place to live and
and I'm very very proud to call myself an Australian
and to live in Australia But in saying that I
think that also goes on in terms of what I was
gonna say about People could be happy doing that
like genuinely but I think it's about finding
happiness in what you're doing and in the journey
of what you're doing because that's truly what
it's about. No one gets from zero to a hundred
straight away. It's about enjoying the process
which really comes down to taking those baby
steps day to day to fulfill your purpose and
fulfill what you really want to be doing with
your life and that could be different to anyone.
So I remember thinking once like if someone you
know, you could see someone Think about our grandparents,
for example. They used to, you know, wake up,
go do the gardening, go to work, endless hours.
Then you had the stay at home mums doing all
of that. And you see divorce rates were so far
down, they were happy. They're still happy doing
what they were doing because they were fulfilling
their purpose. Now, if we weren't happy doing
that, we would be unhappy. That's not to say
that there's a one size fits all for happiness
for everyone and enjoying that purpose. That
purpose is different. So it's about finding that.
That's what matters. So and I think it's really
important to say as well Comparison like a lot
of the time we compare our goals and our purposes
and what we want to do in life with somebody
else's and sometimes you know that may make us
feel like oh wait is is My goal not enough or
is my the way that I want to live my life not
enough So someone's goal could be for example
to raise, you know a beautiful family and be
a stay -at -home mother or father for example
now someone that was, you know, working a nine
-to -five and that was their true desire, they
would be very unhappy in their day -to -day life
and I think that's what we need to try and break,
is the fact that, you know... I'm not talking
down and again like you know a usual nine to
five job and if that's what you can use to fulfill
that purpose then fine but if someone is you
know forced to be doing that or thinks they could
be doing something better and they're not taking
the actionable steps on a daily basis to become
that person and fulfill that dream of theirs
well then they're just constantly going to be
unhappy and I think that's yeah that's the most
important thing and if your goal is as simple
as I want to wake up every day and I want to
do My goal, this is not my Rose Chachko goal,
but like if your goal is my goal, is to do an
hour of exercise every day because exercise makes
me really happy and I want to do that every day
for a whole year. Obviously excluding the days
you're unwell or you've got, you know, certain
circumstances come through, but like that is
your goal. And if that makes you happy, go for
it. Do that. Like work on that. Take active steps
to do that. If half an hour a day, is a lot for
you. Try five. Try 30. Sorry, not 30. Try 15.
Like it's... Go on a walk. Go on a walk. You'll
see your happiness and your in fulfillment. Actually
not happiness, your fulfillment will spike on
a date. How good do you feel when you wake up,
you do your exercise, you work towards your goals
and you feel like you've had an accomplished
day? I feel great. I know I feel great too. Yeah
and I think we can use multiple examples like
of this like if you want to talk about sort of
your your acting for example like which we will
definitely get into just to sort of touch on
that in terms of finding your purpose I know
you definitely want that to be one of your big
end goals yeah um you're taking actionable steps
on a day to day you're you know highly networking
your you know, doing all the auditions that you
can. Getting yourself out there, watching as
many shows and live theatre performances. Yeah,
and I think also, like even for me, like I know
travelling has always been one of my biggest,
biggest, biggest goals, and for you as well,
but like... What actionable steps am I taking
towards that? Well, I'm working quite a few hours
while I'm also at university and I'm not going
out there spending money on things I don't want
to be spending money on. I know a lot of people
have trouble, you know, with managing where their
money is going. Not that it's the most important
thing, especially for me, but I've realised that
in order to fund that goal of mine, I can actually
use the job that I have now, even though it's
not what I wanna do, to actually get a step closer
to that goal. Absolutely. I think also in saying
that, let's say I'm gonna use myself as an example,
acting is my dream and I have been doing it for
a very long time and we'll get into it in later
episodes. That will take too long. That will
take too long, but that's what I will say for
now. But it's, it's one of those things where
you, you don't want to stop your whole life to
just go and accomplish this particular goal.
You want to, you want to still have a good life.
It's truly about finding fulfillment in your
day to day. Balance too, right? Like if your
goal is to become a bodybuilder and you know,
you've got friends going out and partying and
things like that. And that's something you enjoy.
Yeah, of course you're going to have to cut some
of that out of your life to... you know, immerse
yourself in training and eating well. Like, look,
I don't know what it takes to be a bodybuilder
because I'm far from that. But you can have a
balance of that. You can find things that will
work and that will still make you happy. Don't
pause your whole life to be like, yes, this,
this, this, and this only. And if it's not this,
then I'm going to die. Because that's... Unhealthy
for your mental. It's also unhealthy for your
physical because both connect very much. So yeah
I think another thing probably one of the final
things that we're gonna touch on in this episode
was also our I think we're both I can speak for
both of us on this one. Okay, but the nine to
five Lifestyle is just not for us to be honest
a big rabbit hole But I don't think anyone is
truly, truly, unless they're working towards
their own goal, like running their own business
and putting, you know, thousands of hours into
that lot of their time, or working towards something
that, again, they're truly happy about. I think
it's a bit messed up that nine to five has become
so normalized. Yeah. Absolutely and we have these,
so Emanuel and I, we have these moments, we call
them moments. We'll meet each other at the train
station before we head to uni and you'll just
see this whole pack. of people heads down on
their phones crossing the road walking in like
there's like maybe hundreds and hundreds of these
people and the reason this is interesting to
us because we look at and we're like surely all
these people aren't doing what they want to be
doing surely they're not all happy like surely
there's something that can change about it kind
of feels like big brother like it feels like
we're living in this like 1984 kind of and we're
all just sheep kind of doing what we're kind
of supposed to be doing in this life. Very much
stuck in the matrix. Stuck in the matrix, couldn't
have said it better myself. And these moments
we have a lot, we see it in the train station,
we see it when we're walking through the supermarket,
we see it when we're, you know, even at the movies,
like you'll just see like people so to themselves,
so disconnected from human connection, it's...
it's kind of scary and seeing people in this
nine to five being stuck in this you know staring
at a computer screen all day and again we want
to emphasize nine to five where they're unhappy
yes and we know this by multiple examples i can
give you of people that are unhappy in their
night five and complaining and living for the
weekend living paycheck to paycheck that's and
the reason we want to sort of push you know breaking
that stigma is because we truly believe that
you know hearing some inspirational words could
push people to pursue what they really want to
do. It could. It takes one conversation. It actually
does take one conversation because we're literally
sitting here from having this one conversation
about what are we doing in life? Yeah. And we
were unhappy. We were not happy with what we
were doing. Obviously, that's to say, like...
Not unhappy. There was a lot of people that were
in a much worse situation. No, of course. Of
course, but I think... I think unhappy is the
wrong word actually. We didn't know where we
were going. Unsure. We were not as fulfilled
as we wanted to be with our jobs. Absolutely
not. Dead end, going around in circles, band
-aid options. Dead end, working in retail. We're
not built for that, I don't think. No. But I
think a lot of people... can can step out of
that I think that's the biggest thing that we
want to get out of this episode and our podcast
as a whole is making giving people the power
and you know getting that inner purpose out of
them and can make a big difference it could it
could make a big difference and I think obviously
we're on that path of figuring it out we have
our passions we have our hobbies we have you
know things that we love and we're very much
so figuring it out as well as everyone else which
I think is kind of really Really part of the
process and it's really nice because I feel like
I'm not alone. Oh, yeah You know because you're
not you're actually so not and you feel like
you know a lot of my friends I feel like sometimes
I'm like, oh, they're all doing amazing things
and not that I'm not doing amazing things because
I truly am and I'm so very grateful for what
I have achieved and what I have done because
if I If I were to look back at my younger self,
my younger self wouldn't have dreamed of half
the stuff that I've done. So it's really beautiful
to look back and be like, I have achieved all
these things. But comparison, like I said before,
is such a big thing of comparing yourself to
other people of like, oh, but this person has
achieved this, this, this, and this, and I still
haven't. And it's like, well, no. that's that's
okay because you're on your own path and they're
on their path may take you a bit longer may take
you a bit slower yeah but like you're you're
not going to achieve the same thing at the same
time if that makes sense. Yeah for sure and I
think that again that sort of touches down what
we spoke about in the beginning of the episode
about like again like it's crazy to see how so
many people have this universal experience that
you were saying that you've already achieved
so much and you're so grateful for what you've
achieved it goes to show like even these celebrities
that you hear talking about it like they everyone
is truly a little bit lost yeah and that's the
whole basis of our podcast yeah so yeah Everyone
is truly a little bit lost. I kind of like that.
I kind of want a tattoo of that so I can remind
myself It's true. It's really true. So we hope
this episode resonated with you guys Yeah, we
really do and as we said before thanks for sticking
around and spark some inspiration Yeah, yeah
work backwards from what you want your end goal
to be and take those actionable steps on a day
-to -day basis I think that's one of the biggest
takeaways. Trust me. Have a conversation with
your 80 year old self. Yeah And if you don't
know what that looks like, if you have that conversation
with your eight -year -old self and you're like,
oh, they don't know. Just close your eyes and
think, what do I want to be remembered for? That's
actually a good way. What do I want to be remembered
for? If that's being a kind person, if that's
being a helpful person. Could be being a beautiful
mother. It could be being a millionaire. It could
be opening the best, most successful business
ever or running your small little business from
your country town. It could be anything. But
it's about figuring out that and not being scared
to pursue it. 100%. So yeah, I feel inspired.
I actually feel like I'm like, Oh, I need to
go chase my dreams. Oh yeah, me too. So yeah,
hope you enjoyed this episode of the Lostish
podcast and definitely stay tuned for episode
three, which we're actually going to be filming
right now.