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10th, 2016. I'm your host, Neil Rapp, WB9BPG.
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Live. Tonight on the show, Tom Vinson NY0V will
join us. Tom will talk about his recent trip
to Myanmar or Burma, depending on your politics,
where he helped several children earn the radio
merit badge. And we will take your calls live
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around for that. My guest this evening is Tom
Vinson, NY0V. Tom is originally from Champaign,
Illinois and now lives near Rochester, Minnesota.
He spent most of his career working for Collins
in Cedar Rapids, Iowa as an engineer and Tom
has worked over 350 DXCC entities and has an
8 -band DXCC award. He's now retired and enjoys
chasing DX and visiting his children and grandchildren.
So Tom, welcome to AMTALK Live this evening.
Yeah, hi Neil, thank you for inviting me in now
we were talking earlier in the week that you
actually Were in in my old neck of the woods
a little bit down in Southern Illinois and actually
attended Southern Illinois University when it's
in the AM radio club there Yeah, exactly was
down in Carbondale or carbon hole as we would
call it but I got a couple of degrees down there
and then right out of school went to work for
Collins Radio, which was Rockwell International
at that time. It had just been bought. Collins
Radio was just bought out by Rockwell International
back in 1973 and I went in in 1974. But the first
job was with the amateur line out in operations.
So I was in seventh heaven. Oh, I bet for the
first job out of school. go to work for Collins
and in the amateur division even. That's incredible.
So you ended up in Minnesota and tell us a little
bit about why you decided to go to Myanmar and
how this whole merit badge thing started. Yeah,
okay. Well, it's really quite simple, really.
My son -in -law and my daughter live in Myanmar
in Yangon, and my son -in -law is the director
of Myanmar International School Yangon, or MISY,
and my daughter, Jamie, she works for UNESCO
in their educational system there, and they've
been there for about five years. But most of
all, they have two grandchildren there, two children,
two grandchildren for Karen and myself. And so
we were going to go over and visit last fall.
And Ethan, my son -in -law, mentioned that there
was a gentleman by the name of Gokul, who happened
to be Victor Uniform 3 Golf Bravo Golf, who had
a group of boy scouts and girl guides. and thought
maybe we ought to get together and see if we
can introduce them to amateur radio and of course
through the Boy Scouts and Girl Guides possibly
radio merit badge and electronics merit badge.
So that kind of started it off. He gave me his
email and we were off to the races so to speak
to see what we could do as far as bringing resources
to bear to bring into Myanmar as of course they're
very limited there. And they have no amateur
radio. There is no amateur radio service. One
of just a few countries in the world, Turkmenistan
and North Korea and Myanmar don't have regular
amateur radio. Although a few de -expeditions,
a couple of de -expeditions have gotten in through
Zoro, JH1AJT, got in at a de -expedition. He
had... some relationships through his NGO with
the government officials there and was able to
get on the air about a year ago and work a lot
of people. But we're kind of thinking along the
lines, we really need to seed bed if we can get
a group of youngsters involved and see if we
can't kind of organically grow. amateur radio
within the country, kind of like the model that
China did with Marty Lane and those all going
over and even Albania, where you start off with
club stations, and then maybe go from there,
since they don't allow personal amateur radio
individuals to have licenses there. I applied
when my son -in -law and daughter were over there,
first of all, and they just flat out rejected
me. So we thought maybe Maybe this would be a
good way to Start slow kind of crawl walk run
in bringing amateur radio. Maybe to bear Through
all the progress that's going on in Myanmar right
now. They're really having a lot of change over
there Yeah, it's disappointing that you couldn't
get a call sign and then do some Operating while
you're over there, but if we can get this club
thing going that sounds great Now you were able
to print off some of the merit badge requirement
books and that kind of thing and gather up some
equipment. So tell me about all the stuff you
were able to load up and take over there. Yeah,
well, you know, this really, I think the second
story of this whole thing is that there's a real
camaraderie among, you know, hams. And this was
no exception. I put out the word to different
members of EIDXA and around Rochester, MWA, the
Minnesota Wireless Association, and guys responded.
So NA9Q, Mike, W0SHL, Stu, KC0VKN, Joe, Rod Bloxham,
K0DAS, who's our Midwest Division Director, and...
Brian Milschowski and 5ZGT, Dave, K1AN. All these
guys come together to help bring, you know, once
they heard what we needed, we're really open.
Just an example is that some of these guys gave
hand keys, you know, J38, things like that, LED
blinkers and that type of thing. And went to
the ARRL for some of their fine materials. Got
a DVD, you know, the Walter Cronachite DVD, of
course, and K -4 UEE, Bob's top 10 D Expeditions
in the top 10. And then, of course, there are
maps and what have you, call zones by the world,
call zone maps and things like that. So with
that, I just filled a backpack full of things,
put everything on DVD that I could, or CD that
I could, and then... went over there and sure
enough I went boy I just went right through customs
and everything with it and I met Gokul then in
advance to show him and he was just flabbergasted
all the things that everybody had provided and
him and his wife there are both teaching. He
does testing and she is a physics teacher and
teaches electromagnetic spectrum and I think
Anita is also a ham. And so they were just really
thrilled to have all these resources brought
to bear So the camaraderie we see in amateur
radio and I've seen it many other times Really
came through in this to make this happen Yeah,
that's great that you could get some help to
do To do all that and get everything going over
there and we do have some pictures that Tom was
kind enough to send earlier We have those up
on our Facebook page and we did tweet those out.
So if you look at Facebook or Twitter under HamTalk
Live, you can see some of the pictures there.
Nice sunset picture of the Capitol as they're
changing over a lot of the political atmosphere
there and the free elections. and then also several
pictures of the classroom there with that television
presentation that you spoke of and some kids
learning some CW with some keys. You gathered
up a bunch of keys to take over. Yeah, that's
exactly right. They'll see in those pictures
there what I was surprised is when I got there
is how many Boy Scouts and Girl Guides that there
were and I'd you know, there's a room full I
counted maybe 38 of these young students and
So when we got in there we did show the video,
the radio QRB introduction to amateur radio.
And it was a good thing we had the DVD because
sure enough, the internet was not going to be
fast enough to handle it all the time for that
full 19 minutes. And so we showed that and go
cool. Asked him, well, are you interested? And
I'd say over three quarters of them raised their
hand. They had questions. And some of them felt
they, oh, this is too much technology and maybe
just needed some confidence boosting. But then
Gokul handed out the phonetic alphabet and also
went through a sample QSO. and it looks you know
that was just mainly the kickoff meeting you
know to get see if there's interest and there
sure was and so the idea then as Gokul and I
were talking is that as he works through it that
hopefully there's some pull and what have you
that they could get a club station at the school
and because there is no formal licensing right
now they just don't have the structure there.
So they would have to have some contacts from
the Boy Scouts and the school. The school board
of directors has some good board of directors
there that are tied in. To the government or
have contacts within the government So it may
be the way forward as far as bringing the amateur
radio into Myanmar on a more permanent basis
not just go over there and you know operate for
a week and then leave but to actually bring some
benefit to the students and educationally to
learn about You know physics and electromagnetics
and electronics and all the things that go that
you know, you and I, and all of us know and love
about amateur radio and help them get interested
in technology that may, you know, inspire them
into new careers, into careers. Now I had asked
you before, you said that you were able to, to
go ahead and teach everything pretty much in
English while you were there. Uh, their English
was a little limited at some points. It just
kind of depended on the, on the student is that.
Yeah, there's varying degrees. Most of them all
they all speak English. The school teaches in
English and at the younger grades it gets where
some don't speak very much English at all. My
wife was reading books to some of the preschoolers
and stuff and some of them had a hard time understanding
but at these at the you know the upper high school
levels they're It's pretty proficient at various
levels there, but it is a British school, and
so they have A levels and what have you, so they
go by the British school system. As you know,
Myanmar used to be a British colony for about
100 years, about 1948. Another interesting thing
is that George Orwell was in the British Army
there and that's where he wrote Burmese days
and he hated Burma Because it was so hot and
humid and muggy and buggy, you know And he didn't
like what the colonization was doing to the country
Yeah, let's talk just miss briefly about the
country and the name switch from Burma to Myanmar
and and just exactly what's what's going on with
the changes there? Well, it's been very interesting.
You know, they've been in a military situation,
a military government, especially since about
1962, but originally Aung San was assassinated
in 1948, somewhere around there, right after
the war when the British were... leaving and
Aung San was leading and moving towards democracy
and the military assassinated him and then as
the years went on they did actually have a vote
where they wanted more democracy in the 60s and
there was a rebellion there of when the military
government said no they cracked down and really
it hasn't been that long since they were still
putting down very harshly any anything that was
anti -government or thought to be anti -government,
the freedom of the press, students, what have
you, were shot and thrown into Inlet Lake. And
that wasn't all that long ago. But recently they've
been moving towards, we're seeing that the economy
is not doing great, that they're falling behind
as a world, in this globalization of the world.
China has a huge influence. They're bordering
to the Northeast as China and think they get
more resources than they get from China. The
talents of China, I guess, stretching on in.
There are the tentacles into their country. They've
had issues with several of the ethnic groups.
There's a lot of different ethnic groups. They're
trying to make a country a federal country. Couple
of groups do not want to have any federal control.
They want their own culture and tribal system.
And that'd be the Korean and the Kachin tribes
in the east and northeast. Some of those are
Christian. They were missionaries that had gone
over there, the Baptist missionaries. They converted
to Christianity. And then in the west, in Rakhine,
in the west, where there's a lot of a Muslim
because they border Bangladesh and they are highly,
very discriminated against and persecuted over
there. So they've had their issues. They are
saying they're moving towards democracy. They
just had their first free elections in 25 years
while we were there, which was very interesting.
So the free elections, Aung San Suu Kyi, who
is Aung San's daughter, is the head of the National
League for Democracy and her party won a super
majority there. So it's all, no one knows which
way it's gonna go. It's a very complex, complex
political situation that's going on. They are
opening up more to the West and stuff to bring
businesses in, to help their economy. and the
cars unbelievable like in yangon the traffic
you just would not believe they're bringing in
there's like 12 000 new cars per month on the
roads of yangon so the traffic is getting uh
very very bad at this point well hopefully they
can get things uh settled down a little bit so
they can get some ham radio going over there
that's that's uh that'll be good if uh these
uh the school can get their club station going
and start addressing some of those issues so
they can get some individuals on the air over
there too. Yeah exactly and hopefully you know
the way I see it is that you know get these get
these kids through their merit badges and where
they are excited about this showing that the
learning and work the relationships with the
people within the government, the Ministry of
Telecommunications and what have you. And then
if they give approval for a club station, then
I'm sure the hams around the world and the camaraderie
I've seen, we will be able to get equipment and
get it over there and hopefully set up a station
someday. Absolutely. I've done a lot of that
on this side and there's a lot of help out there
and I'm sure that you'll be able to come up with
that. Well we're going to take our first break
and my assistant tells me that we've had some
dead air on the live stream feed and Skype's
been playing with us tonight here so I actually
have the internet people coming out here in a
few days to check some things over. Of course
every time we test it everything works fine.
But if there's some dead air up there we apologize
for that. We are recording here so as soon as
the show is over we will be able to upload the
show in its entirety so if you missed anything
you will be able to to catch it on the replay,
but I think everything is working fine at the
moment. So we'll take a break and then we'll
be back with more with Tom Vinson NY0V right
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us a call. And, um, while we're, um, we're waiting
for some calls to come in, um, tell us, Tom,
about the, the future plans for the, uh, the
station. What you see is, is going to be the,
the immediate next move here. Well, I think the,
you know, the immediate The immediate is to get
these kids up to speed really. I think that's
the priority to get their merit badges and have
a ceremony where we're awarding these kids and
have some officials, you know, coming around
so they understand the school and then also meet
the children that are, you know, these students
that are actually getting educated in this technical
electronics, the technical side of the radio
and communications and electronics and electricity
and see the benefits of educating along the lines
of amateur radio and as we work those relationships,
because relationships are extremely important
in Southeast Asia, building that trust. and then
move along the lines of suggesting a club station
at the school and working a certificate of some
kind of an agreement to have a station there
and the boundaries of spectrum, you know, what
they're going to allow as far as they may not
allow CW, for instance, at first. You know, maybe
they have some fear of that or whatever and they
want plain voice. But those kinds of things can
be worked out. with negotiations then with the
telecommunications ministry. And then with that,
you know, once we know that it's a go, then as
far as getting equipment, you know, finding an
HF transceiver and putting up some antennas and
all, it won't take much. And of course, Myanmar
is pretty rare. It's a rare country in the DXCC
list. And so that adds about you know, 20 dB
to their signal no matter what power they're
running or antennas. Definitely a 5 .9. There's
no doubt in that for Myanmar, right? Yep, exactly.
You know, the rarity, their signal strength goes
up with a rarity. I can barely hear you, but
you're still a 5 .9. Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's,
that's very true. So you did publish an article
about this other than that this is kind of the
first that people have heard about it, but Tell
us a little bit about the the articles and where
to find those Well both TC DX a and the Twin
City DX Association website has a newsletter
and the Eastern Iowa DX Association I'm a member
of both and It's up on their website for the
newsletters I think TCDXA is a December newsletter.
Maybe EIDXA might be the January newsletter.
I'm not quite sure. So if they want to read about
it, see the pictures, they can read what we've
been talking about and see pictures of Gokul
and Anitha. And in a small world is that... I
talked to Gokul. I said, well, where are you
from? And he goes, Mangalore. I go, oh, really?
Well, I know Pai, P -U -2 -P -A -I. I've talked
to him on Mangalore. And he goes, oh, yeah, I
know him well. I Elmered him. And he said that
he was in my son's wedding. So here we are meeting
in Myanmar. And here all these connections come
out. It's a small world in the M3 community.
It is we're standing by at eight one two Nat
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if you have a question for Tom Vincent in y0v
Yeah, it's just a small world and what I've you
know, I keep finding all these kinds of relationships
but but to go all the way to Myanmar and discover
the connections it's It's just amazing Like you
said, the camaraderie and the connections that
you make with Ham Radio Operators is just unlike
anything else. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I've traveled.
I still in my retirement, I teach courses for
Rockwell Collins and around the world off sites.
And I was going to Singapore for Asia Pacific.
And I know James Brooks, 9V1YC, at least through
the air. But I had never met him. And since I
was going to be over there, I emailed him and
said, hey, would you like to get together? And
he said, sure. And he gave me where his house
was, his apartment house, his house in Singapore.
And so I went over there and I operated his station
a little bit, talked to him, get to see what
his life is like there and what he's doing with
his video business. He has a video business called
9V Video. And then he says, whoa, V7 DX, Neil
is in town also doing work. He says, why don't
we go out to dinner? So here are three hams from
basically three different countries just happen
to meet together. Here we go out to eat some
Chinese. What other hobby can allow you to do
something like that? And I found that all over
meat amateurs worldwide. And there's just an
immediate bond and camaraderie. Once you find
out your fellow hams Yeah, and you know it seems
like you just kind of build an instant trust
with people because you know You know their hams
You know a little bit of what they're about and
they're going to you know care about other people
and the connections that I've been able to to
make for some of my students even in the ham
radio world has just been fabulous and has led
to all kinds of opportunities and and so it's
a great community out there and that's one of
the things that we want to try to showcase here
on the show is all the people that are involved
in all this that will actually actually oh i'm
getting a mention here You know create all kinds
of opportunities for people and It's just been
been fabulous at where some of these kids have
gone in my program Just from you know meeting
this meeting that this award that award and one
thing leads to another and leads to another leads
to another and and all of a sudden You know,
they're they're graduated and they're off doing
great things Yeah, and we hope that same thing
for these Children from Myanmar these students,
you know juniors sophomore junior seniors over
there. So Hopefully we're creating something
a little bigger than just radio Mara badge there
Absolutely, but it's it's a great place to start
you have You know a set curriculum there you
have the materials over there now and and so
that's a great thing that you did to to help
all those children and learn about ham radio
and and You know, I wouldn't be surprised if
this is the thing that that revives ham radio
in Myanmar Well, that's certainly the vision
for it so hopefully we can get it carried out
here Absolutely. Well, thanks so much Tom for
sharing your story with us and our listeners
here and Thanks again for all you do To help
those kids over there And we really appreciate
you taking the time to come on the show. Oh Sure,
it's it's a good thing to get the word out there
and hopefully it's an encouragement You know
other radio amateurs out there. So glad to do
it Well, thank you very much and I'm gonna I'm
gonna let you go here in just a moment We're
gonna take our second break and we're gonna come
back and talk to you our logo contest winner
So we will announce that and wrap things up here
a little bit and I'll try to clear my throat
out again This Illness is kind of messed up my
voice. So I don't have my usual my usual radio
voice tonight, so Appreciate everybody bearing
with us on that. So thank you, Tom, and we'll
take our final break, but we'll be back in just
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here, Nick is one of my former high school students
and former president of the Bloomington High
School South Amateur Radio Club. He is now an
accountant with Cook Medical Group here in Bloomington
and will be moving into the marketing division
soon. He holds a general class license and became
a ham in 2005. He attended Indiana University's
prestigious Kelly School of Business and earned
several ham radio scholarships including ones
from Quarter Century Wireless Association, the
Northern California DX Foundation, and the Dayton
Amateur Radio Association. Nick is active in
the Argus Canine Search and Rescue Group and
he was integral in building the high school club
after We had graduated almost the entire group
at once and he was integral in bringing people
into the club and Keeping things going at a critical
time and Nick's logo was the favorite with our
contest judges So you will see his logo on all
of our materials soon. So Congratulations, Nick
and thanks for being on the show Oh, you're welcome.
I hope the gift baskets I sent to the studio
didn't violate contest rules. Those didn't show
up. What gift baskets? I didn't see any gift
baskets. I'm glad to know that I didn't win because
I bribed the judges then. Thanks for having me
on. I've been enjoying the show and I appreciate
everything that you've done for me and Amateur
Radio getting me started in 2005 teaching me
morse code and encouraging me to keep going yeah
nick was one of those that wanted to do morse
code and and we still have some of those that
that want to do morse code but but that was one
of the things nick asked for was hey can you
teach me how to do code and so we did it and
i actually passed the general class license with
code The final weekend before they phased it
out or the final month before they phased it
out It took the last test I could and still passed
the code which I was proud of Oh, yeah, absolutely
Yeah, I remember that you were got to get this
done before they quit and I kind of did the same
thing with the 20 words a minute. It was Well,
the clock is ticking So you better get it but
yeah, that's that's great and and Thanks to again
full disclosure here, but honestly there was
no favoritism involved but Nick is also doing
our social media during the show and he's also
Working with me on this Skype thing and we had
this wonderful plan of Having everybody Skype
you and then Skype it all over to me it sounded
great and so we tested it twice it worked great
everything was perfectly fine and then last week
and this week we've had problems so yeah yeah
so I don't know like I said I called the the
internet provider and gave them a piece of my
mind and And they did raise my speed. They have
raised the speed way up. I've got plenty of speed,
but I don't know where the problem is. I think
it's cutting out sometimes. And I think that's
causing our issues. So I was in the middle of
all the conversation. So you said we had some
dead air issues on the live stream early on.
Yes, I was listening. was having some pauses
some dead air as we were going along and it wasn't
it didn't sound like it was too slow or garbling
it was just dropping off so but it picked up
towards the end here and has been sounding fine
for the second half of the show. Oh good well
as I said I always save it to the desktop here
so that way we can upload that at the end of
the show to make sure that That we have the the
full audio there for the replay So hopefully
we can get some of you to to give us a call we'd
like to really start taking some calls for our
guests and Again, eventually I'd like to get
to where we just do the whole show with nothing
but calls that we just throw out a topic and
Throw it out there and and see what everybody
thinks about it but You know a lot of people
have been listening to the the replay We've been
very happy with the numbers so far on that but
the live numbers have been kind of low so you
know give us some feedback on on our Facebook
page and on Twitter and Let us know what you
think and let us know about the the live thing
and what you think about that and Maybe we'll
keep it. You know to interviews. We've got some
some great interviews lined up in fact next week
Bob often which Tom mentioned Bob k4 uee He's
the mastermind behind these big the expeditions.
Oh Excuse me had to cough there and He's gonna
be on next week to talk about how he pulls all
this stuff off and It's just fascinating Hey,
we had a post on Facebook from a listener saying
they just found the program tonight and they're
enjoying it by the name of Jerry so I just I
Give a little shout out to Jerry. Oh great. Yeah,
we'd love to hear some feedback. We haven't Heard
a whole lot yet From all of you out there. So
let us know let us know what we're doing right
and what we're doing wrong and what you'd like
to hear and If there's some some ways that we
can get some live calls in here, that's That's
one of the big goals of the show. So we'd like
to see that happen, but We've been pretty happy
with the numbers so far. The response has been
pretty good Okay, so Nick this logo will be putting
that out soon and Like the the design we're gonna
we're gonna Fine tune it a little bit and then
we'll we'll have that up. So thank you so much
for submitting your entry and That'll go on for
a long time to come you're welcome. Thanks for
having me on the show tonight All right, that's
Nick Bauer KC9 GZY our logo contest winner and
also our our tech assistance Guy, so thanks for
all the help Well, that's a wrap for this week's
edition of ham talk live. I'd like to thank my
guest Tom Vincent NY zero V and Nick KC9 GZY
and all the callers and listeners out there in
cyberspace and again invite you back next Thursday
night at 9 p .m. Eastern Time when my guest will
be Bob Alfen, K4UEE. Bob is the mastermind behind
some of those top 10 de -expeditions, and he'll
share with us how it's done. For a list of all
of our upcoming guests, visit Amtoklive .com
and click on the link. So for now, with Tom Vinson
in Y0V and Nick Power, KC9GZY, this is Neil Rapp,
WB9VPG, saying 7375 and may the good DX be yours.
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