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seven. amateur radio on the International Space
Station recorded live on Thursday, March 31 2016.
I'm your host Neil rap WB nine VPG and thanks
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this evening is Rosalie White, KWAT -STO from
right here in Bloomington, Indiana. Rosalie grew
up in central Indiana and her ham radio adventures
took her to ARRL headquarters in Newington, Connecticut.
Rosalie was on staff full -time at ARRL for 24
years, where she was the manager of field and
educational services, among other duties. And
in Bloomington, she worked with book writers
at Author Solutions and now manages her family's
farm, mostly maintenance and finances, but still
finds time to facilitate the ARIS program mostly
from home. the Heiress International Secretary
and ARRL's delegate to the program. She was the
1995 winner of the Dayton Hamvention Amateur
of the Year Award. She's worked on many ARRL
projects including the ARRL license manuals and
public service newsletters and she flew her own
plane for many years and I had the opportunity
to present Ham Radio with her to a convention
full of science teachers here in Indiana many
years ago. So Rosalie, welcome to HamTalk Live.
Well, thank you, Neil. It's great to be here.
So tell us a little bit about the whole beginning
of the ARIS program. How did this idea start
out and how did this get started? Well, people
may be familiar with the, back in the space shuttle
days, SAR -X. And that was the predecessor, of
course. And in the last few years of Sarex, of
course, we knew that the International Space
Station was being built. And some of your listeners
may recall Roy Neal, who was an NBC science desk
reporter. And he was K6 Delta United Echo. And
he was on our team. And he said, we need to get
with NASA to make sure that we're on the ISS.
And so he spoke with people he knew from his
science career, reporting science things such
as space launches, and stirred up interest. And
of course, NASA always loved SAR -X as what it
did for how little effort it had to put into
it. because it was all volunteer. And NASA came
to ARRL and AMSAT and said, we need one organization
that will coordinate every amateur radio activity
on the ISS. And so get that going. So as early
as 1996, which is our 20 years, is coming up
this November. I contacted the IARU societies
and asked if there would be representatives for
an ISS team for amateur radio. And AMSAT Frank
Bauer, KA3 HDO, Hotel Delta Oscar, did the same
thing for AMSAT's international societies. And
we had our first meeting and voila, Eris was
born. Well, that's great and I remember a lot
of the old Sarex missions and Able to listen
to the space shuttle fly over and it was always
an interesting thing growing up and so glad you
guys were able to to make all that work now,
what's the process of? Getting a contact with
Eris and and what's the wait time? Okay, well
there is a proposal process in the past we had
an application and you basically wrote down if
you were a Ham radio operator working with a
teacher or if you were a teacher you wrote down
what kinds of educational activities you wanted
to do and then your school may or may not have
been picked if it was a lot of good educational
activities that would definitely be picked. Now
it's a proposal process and their windows open
twice a year and they're open for approximately
two months and the proposal is a very carefully
spelled out listing of things that need to be
written down and you submit the proposal. And
it's kind of a two -step process where if your
education proposal is good and if you have a
chance to get a lot of kids involved and you
have publicity that you can plan and you can
get student release forms for using photos and
you have a plan to get comments from teachers
and students afterwards, then you pass the first
step which is the first half of that proposal
and then once you're selected you choose your
equipment plan. If you're a school that does
not know a ham radio group in your area and ARRL
and AMSAT can't find someone because they do
have to be experienced with satellite communications
or be a very quick learner of how to do that
and get access to equipment, then it would be
a telebridge contact which is very much like
a phone patch where let's say one of our eras
telebridge stations in Australia has a good pass
over Australia that can be relayed to a school
that does not have an amateur radio setup. And
so you asked about the time frame. We have a
window that closes on April 15. It opened on
February 15, closes on April 15, and that's for
contacts that will be scheduled January 1 through
June 30 of 2017. So basically you have a year
to get everything in place and it might not take
that long, but at least you don't have to run
around like a Tasmanian devil getting everything
ready because you have time to get everything
planned And there is a lot to get ready because
you know, you don't get a second shot at this
you're only going to get a few minutes and so
you have a Backup station that has to be in place
and some things that try to keep Murphy away.
That's right. That's right and like you say you
get ten minute window and I saw a schedule about
a month ago of the astronauts day and it is jam
-packed and it's only going to get worse as the
commercial crews are on the ISS because of course
with the commercial crew they have certain research
that they are being paid to do so every little
box on this huge spreadsheet is filled and they
are worked hard. So, you know, they get 10 minutes
to go take a break and go do this. We can't mess
it up. That's right. So we got to make it count.
So so it is a fairly lengthy process, but it's
been really rewarding and. the telebridge process
is there too so you can squeeze those in from
time to time if the station the earth station
idea is not there so recently you just had a
big celebration of the 1000th QSO tell us about
QSO number 1000 It was pretty exciting for us
to reach that goal in 16 years time because we
were actually the first payload on board the
ISS, the first commander set up the station with
just within hours of opening the airlock and
getting inside and getting comfortable. And so
we were really the first official operational
payload. And that was in 2000, December. And
so we were very excited to hit the 1000th QSO.
And of course, it's a worldwide team. And, you
know, with Sarex, of course, it was just the
U .S. and it was a little easier to coordinate.
But now with an international team, it's, you
know, different. And our 1000th contact was one
that was not only exciting for us, but it was
one that was so well done by the group that applied
and their proposal was the North Dakota Space
Grant Consortium, which is at University of North
Dakota. And those college students and their
friends and volunteers with other classes, not
just the science and the aerospace classes, but
throughout the college, visited five different
elementary schools in all around Grand Forks,
North Dakota, and they visited those schools
five or six times to teach the kids about aerospace,
about living in space, about wireless, about
amateur radio, and they did all kinds of really
cool things like, of course, launching rockets,
but crafting and testing parachutes similar to
what is on NASA's Orion capsule. And they designed
and tested neutral buoyant objects and just all
kinds of neat things. And they had the day of
the contact, they had stations set up all around
the gymnasium for the kids to get really involved
in hands -on activities just before the contact.
And so they had students from actually kindergarten
through college asking questions. It was just
really exciting to see so much education going
on. Yeah, it sounds like it was a great group
and I know I've talked to the K -0 UND station
several times and they created quite a presence
on the air with School Club Roundup especially
is my interaction with them. So I was glad to
hear that they were able to be involved in in
Q so number 1000 That's quite a landmark and
we've got more to go. Yes indeed Well, we're
going to play a little clip here from Tim peak
kg5 BVI And if you want to watch the the video
of this this is available on YouTube and this
was done specifically for the anniversary for
the 1000th QSO. Is that correct? That's correct
and of course he's an English astronaut. He's
actually the first ISS United Kingdom astronaut
and he's done a lot of school contacts for us
recently and he's just thrilled to be doing it.
He loves it. So this is available out there on
YouTube but we're gonna play the audio from it.
It's about three minutes and it really gives
you kind of a synopsis of the whole ARES program.
Hi everyone, I'm Tim Peake and welcome aboard
the International Space Station where we're orbiting
Earth 16 times every day. One of the most rewarding
activities that some astronauts undertake on
orbit is to talk to schools using the space station's
ham radio. Now these are events that are planned
by ARIS which is a worldwide group of amateur
radio volunteers who are dedicated to introducing
young people and students to science, technology,
engineering and mathematics. Now this is the
equipment here in the Columbus Laboratory which
consists of a handheld radio, a headset, and
we also have a ham video unit. Now as the International
Space Station orbits above your location, a radio
link is established between the ISS and your
school. Now because we're travelling at nearly
18 ,000 miles per hour, which is an incredible
25 times the speed of sound, we usually get about
9 or 10 minutes of good radio contact before
losing the signal. So about five minutes before
the scheduled start time of the contact, I come
into the Columbus Laboratory and configure the
radio so that I'm on the correct channel. And
sometimes I'll set up the ham video too. Just
before the predicted time, I begin to start calling
the school using the standard amateur radio calling
techniques. For example, if the call sign of
your school was GB4FUN, I would say Golf Bravo
4, Foxtrot Uniform November. This is Golf Bravo
1 Sierra Sierra, listening and standing by. Now
at your school the radio operator will be listening
for my call, but may also transmit and try to
call me as well. You'll probably have a much
more powerful transmitter on the ground than
we have up here on board, so I'm likely to hear
you before you hear me. Then, once we can hear
each other, then comes the best bit which is
actually talking to the students and answering
the questions. Once I've answered all the questions
we use the remaining time to say goodbye to each
other and end the connection. I'll then spend
a few minutes configuring the radio back into
a rebroadcast mode and then I'll go back to my
day job which is of course doing science on board
the International Space Station. ARIS is a brilliant
opportunity for astronauts to talk to school
pupils. It's really rewarding to hear how excited
the students are when they're talking to somebody
up here in space. And it's a true privilege to
be able to inspire our next generation of scientists
and engineers through amateur radio. Well, it's
time to take our first break, but we'll be back
with more with Rosalie White, K1 STO, right after
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the International Space Station, or ARIS, program,
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ask your questions of Rosalie White, K1STO. So
while we're back with Rosalie here, Tell us about
your upcoming fundraising and a little bit about
the needs for some equipment on the space station.
Okay, well of course we have to keep NASA and
ARL and MSTAT happy because they help us with
things we need, but also the radio originally
was prepared and flight certified back before
2000 because, of course, it was launched to the
space station before the space station was inhabited.
And it's old. And it's in a rough environment.
It floats around and gets, you know, the headset
may get bumped into. The radio is Velcroed on
the side. I mean, everything up there is Velcroed
to the sides and the ceiling and the floor. And
so it's kind of a rough environment. And the
most expensive thing about it, well, there's
two things that are expensive about it. One is
that you have to have seven of anything that
you send to the space station because if the
one that's there, something happens to it, then
you have to have a backup. But there's also one
that goes through the shake and bake tests for
whether it's going to survive a launch. It also
has to be tested for interference to the communication
systems that are up there. And it has to be tested
for outgassing. You don't want any noxious fumes
if it overheats or something like that. So the
cost of testing and getting it space flight certified
is incredibly expensive. And back to the seven
units. There has to be one at Johnson Space Center
so that if something goes wrong, it can be, our
hammer operator who works there, although there's
quite a few who work there, but the one who works
with the AERS program specifically would have
to do troubleshooting on the ground. So he has
to have a flight -like unit. And then there has
to be another unit that's in Russia because Russia
also has emission control and so on and so forth.
So it's very expensive to have any kind of equipment
up there and not only is it the radio but the
power supply and the headsets and the cabling
and the connectors and it's just not your regular
PL 259. It's space certified cabling and connectors.
So it is very expensive and We do appreciate
some sponsors. The Yasme Foundation has given
us some money. The D710 radios are going to be
given to us for use, we hope. And so we have
a challenge coin. Which anyone, of course, who
wants to give money to Eris, we would love it.
But if you give $100 or more, you get a special
challenge coin. It's a very beautiful coin. And
if you'll be going to Dayton, you'll be able
to see them there. And we do have pictures of
those up on our Facebook page. And we tweeted
those out earlier in the week. So you can see
a picture of the challenge coin if you're interested
in that. That's great. So so if you just go to
your local ham store and they've got free shipping
That doesn't help that the free shipping doesn't
go to the International Space Station. Oh, I
wish you know those drones They're going to be
delivering things. That would be really cool
wouldn't it? Yeah, I mean, you know, it's free
shipping They didn't say that they didn't deliver
to the International Space Station. That's right.
That's right So if you'd like to so if you would
like to donate to Eris and specifically pick
up one of these challenge coins, what method
is best for people to do that? Well, I guess
I should have said that, huh? Both the ARRL and
AMSAT site have a place that you can, for instance,
at AMSAT there's a donate button and ARRL's ARIS
website has a donate button and thanks to AMSAT
they do the processing. It goes directly through
amsat just as if you made a purchase of any other
kind from amsat and the money is specifically
channeled to eras there's a button that says
eras and that's how you know it's going to come
um to the right spot and i'm actually the one
who will take care of making sure you get that
coin so once you donate by that button it will
i will be notified and it will be sent to you
Well, that's excellent. So if you're able to
donate to that we definitely encourage you to
do that and Again, you can see the picture of
the coin up on Facebook or Twitter or see that
over at Dayton for yourself, so That's that's
great and that makes some things happen and we
were able to make this happen kind of on a last
-minute circumstantial kind of thing. Nick Bauer,
KC9 Cheesy Y, is our assistant producer and he's
actually in Washington DC this evening. He's
on assignment. But Nick, tell us about your opportunity
to talk to the International Space Station. Yeah,
hey Neil, hey Rosalie. When I was in high school
I was in the club of Wilmington High School South,
K -9 SOU. We had an opportunity to talk with
a Russian space tourist, Nisen Sari, who's on
the ISS. It was an incredible experience. Members
in the club, we had talked to different states,
different countries, but something about space
that's just different. We didn't know if it would
work. We were at the radio. Neil was there with
us. You know, we heard her come through and it
was just a really neat experience to say that
we actually were able to apply what we had learned
through high school classes and through our ham
club and reach the International Space Station,
something that 10 years later still stuck with
me. Yeah, so I edited down the about six minute
window we actually had on this particular pass.
I edited that down to a minute and a half and
cut out some of the other calls that she made
that were not there and some of the static and
the blank time. So we'll play that and let you
listen to Nick actually on hand at the radio.
The individual has a sleeping bag that they add
to a wall or seat by the bag and you float inside
like you can suck yourself down inside the bag.
Over. We have special made food that either can't
or so you add water to it and it doesn't taste,
it doesn't look good but the taste is fine and
you have a nice variety. Rx0ISS this is K9OU.
So listening back at that clip it was amazing
to me how we were listening to absolute silence
and then just all of a sudden there she is and
she's talking to another school and she called
another school there were three of us that were
trying at the second one didn't didn't connect
somehow and then by the time they got to us it
was just enough to get our call sign out there
and acknowledged and that was that was it and
she's gone I mean it's just a very narrow window
of time and it goes from zero to s9 and then
s9 all the way down to zero in in no time Yeah,
you can sort of picture in your mind that it's
going from the horizon to the horizon and that's
what happens So Nick what tell us tell us a little
more about About what that means to you after
that's all over Yeah, so at the time it was just
a thrill even though it didn't last long it was
a thrill just to experience that myself and some
club members were interviewed by the local newspaper.
They ran a story about our club and about the
contact with the space station. I spent 10 years
since we had that experience and it's still a
story I share with people. I have an enthusiasm
for space and science and I was just at the Air
and Space Museum here in DC today and it's just
an experience that I think about. It meant a
lot to me and it's just a neat experience to
talk to people about and and share what amateur
radio can do because it most people I mentioned
it to don't realize that we have that capability
from Bloomington, Indiana to talk with the space
station Yeah, I was happy that we were able to
do it and she got her licenses right at the last
second and It was kind of like well. Hey, how
would you like to try this in two days? It was
like Uh, wow. Okay. We'll try it. Sure. Why not?
You know, uh, that's not the way that, you know,
we just talked to Rosalie, you know, about all
this planning and a year, you know, and some
of them have been waiting two years and in the
past and, and, you know, planning everything
and all these backups and everything. And no,
we, we just, you know, go and we certainly, we
certainly knew that We certainly knew that your
school was you know you had you had good education
going on and we knew that you had a set up and
it was just fell into place. Well thankfully
it did thankfully it did and I was able to get
one of our club members AJ to kind of help me
out with with some of the antenna issues and
the Doppler shift that I'd never tried before.
I'd never done a satellite contact before, so
that was an amazing first attempt at a satellite
contact, the International Space Station. Well,
I know that Nick is very much interested in math
and also space and of course NASA promotes science,
technology, engineering, and math. Almost might
have been something Nick that Kept you going
toward that math career Yes, definitely Yeah,
Nick was an outstanding student of mine and and
he has a lot of talent in science and definitely
math and and He's been willing to come help us
on the show here, too. So in the last few weeks,
so We appreciate that. All right, well, we're
going to come back and take some more calls and
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about rosalie feel free to give us a call so
Rosalie what's in store for the future of the
the heiress program now that the big anniversary
number 1000 is is over and the 20 -year anniversary
is nearing What's the future hold for? heiress
well two thousandth contact or Mars. In fact
we have had some discussions about Mars capabilities
and which NASA vehicles would be best for us
to think about and for instance there's the back
porch which is a structure that looks like a
deck. on the back of one of the ISS modules.
And we're very serious about having some equipment
out on that deck. And there were a lot of benefits
to not having it inside, and have the cabling,
of course, inside. But for the near future, we
do plan to have more slow -scan television transmissions.
and just keep everything going as it's been going.
We always hope to have an astronaut who decides
that rag chewing is the greatest thing since
sliced bread. They're so busy, they don't have
loads of time to just rag chew, but now and again
you get one who decides that it is a lot of fun,
the bug bites them bad. Yeah, that would be great
if we had somebody that would do you know, I
think I don't know what comes to mind is Owen
Gary Which he's the first one that I ever heard
and I don't know it seems like you know He may
have been a little bit better at that than than
some but the demands of the crew I think have
grown exponentially since that point in time
Yes, plus Owen was a ham to begin with and Ron
Preece was and Ken Cameron was and you know,
there were some that Just were already quite
experienced but some of them take to it just
so easily and of course It doesn't take a lot
for them to pass the test. They're all very smart
people quick Broad background a lot of it. They
already know the answers to the tests and if
they don't know a lot about electronics maybe
they're more in the medical field or something
like that it doesn't take them very long to learn
and like Sunita Williams you know she really
enjoyed talking and Owen Garriott's son Richard
was not a ham to begin with but You know, once
they were up there and saw how much fun it was
just, they talked about things like how amazing
it is to come up to the coast of some continent
and as you were over the ocean, you know, it
was just deathly silent, black, no lights and
all of a sudden there was a clamoring of people
wanting to talk to them and how cool that was.
Well, I can't, cannot imagine. Going up there
that's just Beyond anything I can fathom We've
got time for one more call eight one two net
hand one give us a call I'll leave one last question
here Out of all the one thousand contacts which
which one if you had to pick one that was the
most memorable which Which one would that be
for you? Well, that's so difficult because everyone
I've ever heard, it makes the hair stand up on
the back of my neck. You know, it's the anticipation
just like you said, you know, there's silence
and then you think you hear some static or maybe
it's your imagination. And then you do hear the
static and then you start worrying is this all
I'm going to get is static. And then a voice,
a syllable comes out and then all of a sudden
you hear the call sign and every time you hear
about the students afterwards and the team, the
many, many people on our team who. Do so much
and they say the same thing. They just it's a
thrill for them to be able to Facilitate the
general public learning about space learning
about some sort of science learning about radio
It's it's just so exciting. I mean I've heard
so many teachers and there's some really good
YouTube's out there of students saying what they
learned and how you can just in the excitement
I saw a photo of a teacher and a recent contact
and you know how when you're really surprised
and you put your hand over your mouth and it's
like you're going oh my well she was doing that
she was just so thrilled when it happened as
it's just the whole thing is a thrill but I guess
Would have to say that Sunita Williams and Doug
Wheelock and Mike Finke and Richard Garriott
some of their contacts were my most memorable
because they were just so personable and You
could tell they loved it the emotion came through
That's great and and that's exactly how we what
we thought too was Okay, is that all I'm gonna
get is this little static verse and it's this
roller coaster. You're like Wow, is that it?
And then all of a sudden it works. And it's just
fabulous. Well, that's a wrap for this week's
edition of HamTalk Live. Thank you so much, Rosalie,
for coming on. My guest tonight has been Rosalie
White, K1STO. And thanks to the callers and listeners
out there in cyberspace. And I'll invite you
all back next Thursday night at 9 p .m. Eastern
Time. when my guest will be Craig Thompson, K9CT,
who is recently back from his de -expedition
to Palmyra. So be sure to call in and ask questions
about his trip. And for a list of all of our
upcoming guests, be sure to visit HamTalkLive
.com. So for now, with Rosalie White, K1STO,
Andy Morrison, K9AWM on fake commercial duty,
and assistant producer Nick Bauer, KC9GZY on
assignment in Washington. This is Neil Rapp,
WB9VPG, saying 7375, and may the good DX be yours.