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HamTalk Live. Carol Perry, WB2MGP is our guest
this evening. Carol is considered by most to
be the leading authority on teaching ham radio
to young people. She taught ham radio at Intermediate
School 72 in Staten Island, New York for 30 years.
She travels across the globe speaking to hams
about involving young people in ham radio and
using it as a teaching tool carol perry is the
recipient of the 1987 datan young or i'm sorry
not young ham of the year she's young but the
the datan ham of the year award of the 1987 arrl
instructor of the year award the 1991 marconi
wireless memorial award the 1993 qcwa president's
award the 1996 Radio Club of America Barry Goldwater
Amateur Radio Award and both the 2009 and 2012
Radio Club of America President's Awards. Carol
is an RCA Fellow and in 2007 she was elected
to the Board of Directors, a position she still
holds, and she created the Youth Activities Committee
which she now chairs. She also created the RCA
Young Achievers Award given to students in grade
12 and below. who have demonstrated excellence
and creativity in wireless communications. Under
Carol's leadership, the RCA Youth Activities
Committee donates equipment, cash grants, books,
and supplies to chosen schools or youth groups.
Carol has moderated the Dayton Hamvention Youth
Forum and Instructors Forum for 29 years. She's
a member of QCWA and she also is involved in
the youth activities of the Quarter Century Wireless
Association. the Radio Club of America, ARRL,
the Dayton Amateur Radio Association, the Antique
Wireless Association, and Brandeis Women. And
she's been a friend of mine for, since my early
days in Ham Radio. Carol, welcome and thanks
so much for taking your time to be on HamTalk
Live. Oh, my pleasure. Good evening, Neil. It's
great to talk to you again and we're looking
forward to the forums. Let's start off with the
Instructor's Forum. That's going to take place
on Friday morning of Hamvention. At 10 .30 a
.m. that goes until 12 noon. That's in Forum
Room 3 in the main arena there. It's kind of
in the middle. There's a little overhang outside
where the forums are. Just check in there and
look for Forum Room 3. So tell us a little bit
about the instructors forum and who should be
attending this forum. Is it just for school teachers?
Is it for instructors of ham classes? Tell us
who should show up to this. Well, primarily we
invite people who already are involved with a
youth group, be it scouts, be it teaching in
a classroom or an instructor, anybody who's involved
with teaching youngsters about amateur radio
in a group or classroom setting. Or another reason
for coming would be if you are thinking about
doing something like that and would like some
idea of how to get help and resources. This is
the forum to come to for networking and for sharing
of ideas amongst Scout leaders, instructors,
teachers, and those who are just looking for
good ideas for recruiting young people. That's
who should be at this forum. Okay, very good.
Well that that encompasses a lot of people that
if you're recruiting and teaching Ham radio in
in any fashion that there's there's something
there to take away So tell our listeners exactly
what they can expect to to take away from that
form Well beside the sharing of ideas and the
networking and the resources that they will be
told about and handouts that will be given out.
We also try to reserve some time after each speaker
has done their presentation, and I've got three
of them this year, to ask questions. So hopefully
by speaking with the experts in their respective
fields, people will leave that forum not only
being more knowledgeable and having more resources
to refer to, but that they will become motivated.
That's the main thing, to become motivated and
to know that they're not alone out there, that
unlike when I started this so many years ago,
where there were very, very few resources to
go to. There are many out there now, many people
who will be willing to help and many resources
in whatever venue you would be working with young
people. Very, very good. Well, I've come away
with many valuable resources from this forum
over the years, so if you get a chance, stop
by the... Instructor's Forum, again, it's Friday
from 1030 a .m. to noon in Forum Room 3. And
tell us just a little bit about who your three
presenters are this year and what their topics
will be. Okay, great, Neil. This year, I chose
to pick people who would be able to speak knowledgeably
about three frequently asked questions that I
get as I travel across the country. I will have
Bob, Ka2PBT, who is a friend of mine, who was
very active in a high school. with ham radio
as a major part of its curriculum and he's going
to be speaking about how to advance amateur radio
in the school system and he will have two of
his high school students doing a little demonstration
of how wonderful this is to have in a high school,
they will be speaking about an antenna and engineering
design competition that they recently won. So
you'll get to see the kids actually validating
what he will be speaking about. And then we have
Sam Rose, who is going to be speaking about the
advantages of college. ham radio programs. And
this is also a new initiative that I'm working
on a task force with the ARRL about, about how
we can get amateur radio in more colleges and
universities and what those advantages would
be. And then we have somebody you know quite
well. We have Maria Lysandro. Probably one of
the most frequently asked questions I get is
about how to attract females into amateur radio.
And that's what Maria is going to be speaking
about, ideas of attracting females into the hobby
and service, and some really good ideas about
how to do that. So those are going to be my three
presenters at that forum. Excellent and yes I'm
showing a little bias toward the third one since
she's one of my students and her older brother
was was one of the youth forum speakers a few
years ago and and so I definitely have some some
bias there but we're working on Maria's presentation
and she has some some really cool ideas so I'm
looking forward to to see how that all falls
together So, speaking of the Youth Forum, let's
switch over to the Youth Forum, which is on Saturday
morning of Hamvention. That goes from 9 .15 a
.m. until noon. There's an hour that's almost
all prize giveaway at this thing. We recognize
the young people. We recognize the kids. that
are there, and the ones that are speaking, and
then there's also prizes for the adults, and
we'll talk more about that after the break. But
that's in Forum Room 2, and that's always a well
-attended forum, so you want to get there early
and get your seat. Again, 9 .15 a .m. for that
one on Saturday. So tell us who should be attending
this forum. In one word... everybody. This is
the forum that anybody who's partaking in amateur
radio should come to because it's showing support
for our young hams. So regardless of what aspect
of the hobby you are involved with, it's critical
that we support the future. And the future, very
simply put, is with our young hams. And this
year, I guarantee you will be so impressed. I
have a record -breaking 11 young speakers. Actually,
10 will be speaking. And the 11th is Maria. who
is considered one of my young presenters, but
she is going to be taking over the topic at the
instructor's forum about getting girls involved.
But each one is more impressive than the next.
And about an hour and a half of the forum is
devoted to those young presenters speaking about
all different topics in amateur radio, which
we can speak a little bit about later. And the
second hour, I usually have guest speakers coming
in, well -known people in amateur radio. Last
year, of course, we had the astronaut. No such
promise this year. But we usually have interesting
people and interesting announcements being made
during the second part. And the last hour, as
you said, is literally devoted to giving away
the prizes to the youngsters in the audience,
to the adults who come to show support for our
young hams. and certainly to the presenters.
So my answer is everybody who's interested in
the future should comment. I guarantee you won't
be sorry. It's quite something impressive to
see. It is always an impressive sight. So come
by the Youth Forum again that Saturday morning
of Hamvention at 9 15 a .m. and run through your
presenters, your young presenters real quick.
and a quick synopsis of what they'll be talking
about this year. Okay, well we've got, I'll just
give the first names at this point, and they
range in age from 9 to 17. We've got Kelsey,
who gives a fabulous talk about preparing yourself,
an in -depth look at GoKits. for emergencies,
and obviously emphasis on the communications
part of that. Brandon will be speaking about
ARIS, A -R -I -S -S, contacts, cell phones down
and radios up. And then we've got Eli and Zach,
who will be doing a dual presentation of Discover
the Fun and Magic of digital radio communications.
I've got nine -year -old Hope who will be speaking
about her experience, and I use that word knowing
what I'm saying, her experiences at age nine
about working through satellites. I've got Skylar
who will be talking about home brewing on a budget,
some really good ideas. Jacob will be speaking
about programming tips for new radios. And then
I've got Marty, who at age 13, I've had about
10 inquiries about him already. He's just that
unusual a young ham in a very positive way, who
will be speaking about home brewing fun. And
I've got William speaking about setting up a
radio station to chase DX. And then we have a
young man who was a US citizen, but has a license
in this country and in India as well. Uh, who
will be speaking about how he was inspired to
get involved with communications in both countries
and what his accomplishments are at the tender
age of 14. So those are my speakers and their
topics. That's quite an impressive lineup. And
I've seen pictures of hope on Facebook all over
the place. She looks like she's doing just having
a blast out there and, and Marty. Oh my goodness,
Marty. Uh, I haven't had a chance to talk with
him too much directly. Uh, but, um, I did just
briefly the other day and he is quite the character.
I know he was on, um, uh, Tom Medlin show the
other night and, uh, he, he's, he's just very
entertaining. So, so we look forward to, uh,
to see in Marty and Hope and the rest of the
lineup there at the forum. So tell us a little
bit about what these speakers are going to receive
after they do their presentation. Well, right
after the presentation, RCA, the Radio Club of
America, of which I'm a director and head of
the youth activities, I make sure that each one
of my speakers gets an RCA Young Achievers certificate.
And from what I've heard from parents, that looks
nice and impressive on college applications.
And each one of them then gets a $100 stipend
from my youth activities committee to go out
and spend and have a good time at Dayton. ICOM,
being totally generous for so many years, makes
sure that each of the young presenters gets a
handheld radio. MFJ gives them a matching antenna.
And ICOM also will be giving them, I hope I'm
not spoiling anything by giving away the secret.
Don't spoil anything. Well, ICOM's got lots of
personalized goodies. for the presenters as well
as the radios. They also get other goodies from
ICOM. And Kenwood and MFJ and ICOM as well donate
radios or radio accessories as. as being part
of the co -sponsors of the forum for the children
in the audience to try and win and for the adults.
This year, they will have gifts from Kenwood
as well that will be offered. And this is all
free, obviously. No one's buying anything. These
are all stubs that you get when you come in for
door prizes to be pulled later. For the adults
who have been so supportive of the Youth Forum
through the past 29 years. I make sure that they
get a really good a good gift for themselves
and ICOM supports me on this and this year we
will be giving away an IC 7100. So you have to
be present to win. And we certainly hope to see
most people do sit there for the entire three
hours because it goes that quickly. I'm usually
thrilled when we finish at exactly noon. So that's
how jam -packed it is and that's the way I love
to do things. Oh, absolutely. And you heard it
here. You have a chance to win an IC 7100 from
ICOM. Just by coming to the forum and supporting
these young people and and picking up a free
ticket when you come in so that's Incredible
that you can walk away with with a rig like that.
So make sure you stop in at the youth forum and
mention your sponsors real quick, especially
the the Radio Club of America Well, as I said,
we've got the Radio Club of America, and I would
certainly appreciate the chance of making mention
of Charles Kermas, who was a fellow director
and on my youth activities, and so that that
money that's given to the youngsters for the
last three years doesn't have to come out of
my budget. that I work out of, RCA being a non
-for -profit organization, all volunteers, I
have a budget that I work with that I give stipends
and different grants out so that that money doesn't
have to come out of my budget. Charles and his
company have been donating the stipends that
we give to the kids. So 11 kids this year, that's
$1 ,100 that he has donated to them because of
his support of what we're doing. And we've also
got Kenwood, MFJ, QCWA supports the Young Hamlins
Hand Contest that we run and we'll be announcing
the winner of that one when we're there as well.
And there's a local club, the Lance Cruz Amateur
Radio Club. that does the printing of the tickets
for us, I'm going to say for the last 25 years.
And they even donate one of their members to
be the prize manager, Ralph, who has been helping
me with all this enormous amount of prizes that
we give out. from the Lance Cruz Amateur Radio
Club. The Lehigh Delaware Amateur Radio Club
has donated cash for the Youth Forum as well.
And ARRL will be donating books and accessories
this year as well. Well, thanks to all those
people that make all this possible because it
really does help out these kids and give them
a chance. to have some equipment of their own
and also to get some support in there so be sure
to check out the youth forum and it's time to
take our final break we'll be back with more
from Carol Perry WB2MGP and all kinds of good
stuff and your calls right after this word from
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Carol Perry, WB2MGP, is our guest this evening.
Carol's the moderator for both the Instructor's
Forum and the Youth Forum at the upcoming...
Dayton Hamvention. So we're going to take your
calls, so please give us a call now and feel
free to ask Carol about either one of the forums
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on ham talk trivia here Momentarily, and we do
have a call. So let's go straight to the call.
Go ahead. Who do we have here? Hello Hello. Hi,
this is Marty KC one CWS, but come on hi Marty.
How are you? I'm good, it's good to finally talk
to you and you know this lady I'm speaking with
here. I am very fortunate, I do know that lovely
lady that you're so lucky to have on your show
tonight. Hi Marty! Hi Carol, good to talk to
you. I just wanted to call in and say Neil, the
great things you're doing with Ham Radio and
this new show. I've listened to a few of your
episodes and I just see you're doing great stuff
here with... with Ham Radio and the internet
and podcasting and media. And I think Ham Radio
is very fortunate to have you. I don't really
have a big question for you. I just thought I'd
give you a call. Yeah. We're glad you called
in and said hello, and we look forward to seeing
you at the Youth Forum and look forward to hearing
about all this homebrew stuff. Yeah, it's going
to be a fun time. I don't want to give too much
away. Gotta give some sort of incentive, but
it's gonna be a fun time thanks to all of Carol's
hard work. Exactly. Well, we appreciate you calling
in and we'll be looking forward to that in just
a couple of weeks. Three weeks. Yep. All right.
Thank you, Marty. Appreciate it. Thanks, Neil.
I appreciate it. 73 for now. Seven threes. 73,
Marty. Bye, Carol. Bye -bye. All right. Well,
that's how you do it. There's There's a party.
We got a bond here. Hey Talk a little bit about
this this young Hamlin's a hand award before
things get to get too far away from us here Oh,
okay, great. And by the way, the way I met Marty,
we were at Boxborough in Boston in August. And
about five minutes after speaking with him, I
said, you're hired. And I immediately gave him
an invitation to come to Dayton. So I'm glad
I had my scouting. scouting for talent hat on
that afternoon because he's in high demand. But
let me speak with you about the Young Ham Lenza
Hand Contest. This year's winner will be announced
at the Youth Forum. This, and I'd like your people
to know that for next year you can nominate somebody.
It's very informal. All you do is send me an
email with the name and age, 18 or below, of
a licensed ham radio operator who has... given
back in the spirit of amateur radio to his community,
to his school, to friends, to recruiting, to
military personnel, to senior citizens, somebody
18 or below who is using his license to to get
other people interested in communications and
technology. There's a wide range of service that
we would consider to be noteworthy that a youngster
can be performing. And you just have to write
me a brief little synopsis of what that youngster
has done to contribute in some way. and that
we can show that we appreciate and give support
to what he's doing, he or she is doing. And they
do get a $100 cash stipend. If they're not at
Dayton, it will of course be sent to them. But
I would like to share with you that this year
there were seven youngsters who were recommended
and I sat with my committee and we really had
to think long and hard over which one to choose.
That's how good and what a good thing for us
to know that this is who's out there. What a
good thing for us to know that there are these
kids out there in the true spirit of one of the
tenets of amateur radio. That's the Young Ham
Lens A Hand contest. Very good. We look forward
to to hearing who wins that as always. So that's
something else coming up on the Youth Forum.
That's again Saturday at 9 15 a .m. until noon
in room two at the Dayton Hamvention. Okay we've
got time for another call so let's see if we
can get another call in here. It's 812 -NET -HAM
-1 812 -NET -HAM -1 or Skype at HamTalk Live.
And we'll see if we can get one more in here.
And then we're going to give Carol a break and
let her go back to doing all this paperwork to
get ready for this. And also see if we can make
somebody out there a winner. We're going to try
some trivia tonight. Real simple, multiple choice
trivia question tonight. So we're taking it easy
on you. Yeah. Neil, if I might, one more thing.
This is the 29th annual youth forum. Next year,
obviously, will be the 30th. And one of the things
I'm going to be throwing out to the audience
and that we've already begun to do as I speak
at different forums around the country is to
solicit suggestions of... what you think we can
be doing for the 30th, three decades worth of
the instructor and youth forum to make it be
super special next year. And I will tell you,
one of the things I am definitely going to have
will be a segment on where are they now? Many
of the speakers stay in touch with me. And now
we're talking about doing this over three decades.
Most of them are obviously well into adulthood
in interesting careers and personal avocations,
et cetera. And we're going to have a segment
of what the most impressive of these are of where
these youngsters as a result, partly of their
exposure at the Dayton Youth Forum have ended
up. I think that's going to be fascinating. I
remember 25 and it was very very interesting
to hear What they have done. So that sounds great.
So you have an idea Be sure to pass that along
and you can do that now if you want that 812
net ham one or Skype at ham talk live and You
can do that or any other question you have for
Carol. We have just a couple of minutes left
for you to call so We'll stand by here for a
moment and see if you do. Carol, I just want
to again thank you for taking time out to do
this, but the amount of time that goes into putting
this whole thing together, the Youth Forum by
itself, let alone the Instructor's Forum too,
is just immense. On behalf of everybody out there.
We thank you for putting all of this together
Well, thank you for all the support, especially
you through the years we go back a long way It
has been a long time. So All right. Well, okay.
Oh I have a question on Twitter That says what
can we do to get more young people on HF DXing
and contesting? So Carol well Well Just as with
any aspect of amateur radio Get the children
or the young person Exposed to all the fun that
those venues offer When I taught this, because
I was limited to classroom time, I always had
those kids who were interested get fed into the
local amateur radio clubs. And they would be
prepared that when some of my students were coming
to a meeting, they would be set up to show different
areas of the fun of be it whatever it was, doing
Morse code, HF, satellite communications, doing
flea markets, field day, et cetera. The idea
is to expose them to something in a fun way.
And heaven knows, we all believe that it's really
fun. And to show what the value of it is, the
comradership between the children who participate
in it, kids their own age. And I'm pleased to
report there is just a total upswing of young
people getting involved for different reasons
than they did years ago, but nevertheless still
getting involved in very large numbers. And it's
always the... exposure to it. And if it's not
directly in the family by a family member, showing
them the fun of getting on a radio and communicating,
then it's by taking the kids to places where
they will see it. Look up where your local club
is. Go into a school. That's my best suggestion.
Go into a school. And if you don't have the ability
to get a program or a club started, then go in
and do a demonstration. And here's my good idea
that always works. Go get the principal to allow
you to go in during lunchtime. Set up the rig
in the cafeteria. Have the kids line up to say
a couple of words on the microphone and of course
have your people standing by at the other end
to welcome them and to say a few words. But the
kids love to get on a radio and experience that.
You'll have a line all around the cafeteria and
then... have one of the teachers invite you to
come back to say, and here's how you too can
get involved with this. There are no age requirements.
And the thing is to get that first spark by exposing
them in a fun way. All right. There you have
it. There's your answer. So again, Carol is moderating
the instructor's forum on Friday of Hamvention
in room 3 and that starts at 1030 a .m. And the
youth forum is on Saturday of Hamvention in room
2 from 915 a .m. Until noon. Carol, thank you
so much for joining us tonight and we know these
forums will be fabulous as always. Thank you
so much. Thank you, Neil. Have a good evening.
All right, Carol. Take care. All right. Well,
that's Carol Perry WB2MGP and Couldn't couldn't
imagine Hamvention without her. It's just always
a highlight. So Hopefully you can get by to catch
the forums or at least one hopefully so now it's
time for us to Have a little game show here this
evening. It's gonna be a quick one. It's time
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for handheld. But a real rubber duck if you can
answer this question correctly and you'll have
some fun in the process So give us a call right
now eight one two net ham one eight one two net
ham one And it's a simple multiple choice trivia
question about ham radio tonight So it should
be a piece of cake. So give us a call eight one
two net ham one And you could win the official
Ham talk live glow -in -the -dark rubber duck
So give us call and if we don't get a call We're
gonna have to finish up because we're just about
out of time So give us a call eight one two net
ham one and if we run out of time, we'll we'll
save it for next week and I believe next well,
we have we have a call. So let's take it. Okay
Hello, you're on HamTalk Live. Scott, well thank
you for calling in and playing HamTalk Trivia.
We've got just a minute here. It's just about
to give up, so let's get going here. Okay, so
here's your question. Who is the Governor Ham?
A. Arnold Schwarzenegger, the former governor
of California. B George Pataki, the former governor
of New York or C rod. Oh, I always mess up his
name. Well, God's rich. The former governor of
Illinois. Oh, let's see here. Well, I'm pretty
sure it's not the last guy and I never heard
of, uh, of Arnold doing the, uh, the hand thing.
So I'll have to go with B. That's absolutely
right. It was lapsed, but was reissued. So Scott
in 4JN is our winner tonight. Congratulations.
We'll get that rubber duck out to you and thanks
for playing ham talk trivia. So that's a wrap
for this week's edition of ham talk live. I'd
like to thank my guest, Carol Perry, WB2MGP,
and all the callers and listeners out there in
cyberspace, and invite you all back next Thursday
night at 9 p .m. Eastern Time when James Titterman,
N8IDS, the General Chairman of Hamvention, and
Mike Coulter, the spokesperson of Hamvention,
will be here. So for now, seven threes, and may
the good DX be yours.