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I'm home in Bloomington recovering from missing
school for two days due to Hamvention and all
the running around in Dayton. It was a very busy
week. Contest University on Thursday was a great
experience as always. as it was for some of my
high school students that were able to go and
my assistant sponsor for the school club doing
the show on Thursday night. This show was very
fun and thanks again to Ryan Cutshall, KD9DAB
and his father Rex for helping out with the setup
and greeting people and thanks to Nick Bauer,
KC9GZY for managing all the calls that came in
and making things run smoothly. Then Friday was
the instructor's forum where the younger sister
of tonight's guest spoke about getting more women
into ham radio. And then Ryan helped me set up.
He was able to operate W8D for the first time
as a general. He got his upgrade and got to use
the ICOM 7851, a full legal limit amplifier and
a hex beam. Thanks to the support of so many
manufacturers and dealers, ICOM, Yezu, Kenwood,
Array Solutions, GigaParts, Radio Waves, and
Heil Sound, just to name a few. Saturday was
the Youth Forum, and I ended up on video recording
duty this year for that. Maria was recognized
there for her talk on Friday, and 11 young people
shared their stories about ham radio. And then
in the afternoon, I was able to get on W8D. and
use the Kenwood TS -990 for an hour or so and
try that out first time I ever got a chance to
play with one of those. So that was a lot of
fun and did a little bit of shopping and then
stopped by the Voice of America Museum on the
way home. They had a great turnout for that.
So shout out to the Westchester Amateur Radio
Club for putting that on. And then it was time
to get home. throw everything in the house and
start working on final exams and finish grading
and I finally finished last night about 10 30.
So after some rest, it'll be time to get ready
for a transmitter hunt for the school. We'll
be doing that next week and then field day will
be coming up and some repeater work coming up
that's long overdue now that I have some time
to do it. So that's what's coming up. for me.
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was a speaker at the Youth Forum and there he
shared about his de -expedition to Cyprus and
after that presentation he was featured in QST.
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award, won amateur radio news line, Young Ham
of the Year award, the ARRL Goldfarb scholarship,
and the ARRL Hiram Percy Maxim award. He graduated
from Bloomington High School South and went to
Cornell University to study physics and engineering.
And he got involved with a satellite build there,
which did involve the amateur radio club due
to the telemetry that needed to be sent back.
And he found himself interning during the summers
with SpaceX. And so next, Patrick will join us
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Patrick Lassendreau KC9 UUS is a 19 year old
and just finished his sophomore year at Cornell
University. He has an extra class amateur radio
license and has been a ham for about four and
a half years. Uh, he's a former student of mine
at Bloomington high school south, where he was
president of the amateur radio club and very
active in the solar racing program there. Patrick's
entire family became hands. His mother, Carolyn
KC9URR is the assistant sponsor of the Bloomington
south club and is an avid DXer. This father,
Plato is KC9VIL. And, um, we'd like to wish Plato
a happy birthday today, by the way. Um, his older
sister, Helena is KC9VIL. She is attending Purdue
University studying biology and is doing a summer
program in medicine at The Ohio State University
this summer. And younger sister Maria is KD9BUS
and she will be a senior next year at Bloomington
High School South. Patrick is a past Hamvention
Youth Forum speaker, leader of the Expedition
to Cyprus, QST author, the winner of the ARRL
Hiram Percy Maxim Award and the Goldfarb Scholarship,
and the 2013 amateur radio news line Young Ham
of the Year. Patrick's main interest has been
making and inventing. He created his own electrical
laboratory at home and started building. Now
he's building even bigger and better things like
satellites and projects for SpaceX. He just made
it home from Cornell yesterday and leaves for
his summer internship there in a few days. So
we were lucky enough to squeeze in an interview
while he's home. So, Patrick, welcome to HamTalk
Live. Thank you very much, Mr. App. Yeah, so
real quick before we get too deep into this,
we want to wish Plato a happy birthday. He was
with us this weekend. And so we want to do that.
So, so go ahead and we'll get that in. Okay.
So go ahead. All right. Yeah. So happy birthday
to Plato. Beloved father, he's in the room next
to me. I don't know if he can hear me, but we're
going to have dinner tonight with him. So we're
going to celebrate that. But yeah, so a whole
family is a ham family. including the dad so
yeah so I'm home for three days unfortunately
I could not go to Dayton this year or last year
finals are pretty much right after Dayton so
just no way for me to go that's unfortunate I
really miss it especially the flea market Um,
but so yeah, that was unfortunate, but now I
do understand that, uh, that after, um, we got
done on, on Friday, your mom said I have to go
take care of Padring shopping list. So you had,
you, you sent your mom a shopping list for the
flea market at Dayton. Yeah, I did. Um, well,
I sent her a list of things to just look. So
one of the biggest things for me was Michael
Ostman of Great Scott Gadgets. I wanted her to
go talk to him. He's got a really cool product,
the HackRF. Basically a small software -defined
radio with some really mad specs. Very, very
cool board. Kind of expensive, but I'm looking
for that as maybe a birthday or Christmas present.
Definitely need to get into using GNU Radio and
SDRs. I also asked her to go look at, see if
they had any like photovoltaic cells, just for
my own experimentation. I think a couple other
parts I couldn't, I can't really remember. But
yeah, I always give her a list. It's very hard
to find a specific thing at the Hamvention, but
it's always, you know, it's worth the look so.
Well, what they always say about Hamvention is
if you can't find it at Dayton, it doesn't exist.
And that's probably true. Well, I'm glad, uh,
glad she was able to take care of some of that,
uh, in your absence. So, um, tell us about, um,
the news line young ham of the year award and
how, uh, that has impacted what you do and what
that's meant to you. Absolutely. The Young Ham
of the Year Award was given to me in 2013 in
Huntsville, Alabama at the Huntsville Ham Fest,
which is also a great ham fest for flea market.
It's a wonderful award. It really promotes technology
and youth. I felt very supported by that award.
I'm very grateful for it. And one of the greatest
outcomes from that is just networking in general.
I met a lot of really nice and cool people. So
Don Wildbanks, I met him out of that. I also
met Scott Wright out of that. I met a ton of
really great hands. Emmet Hohenzie of Radio Waves.
Uh, I met a, you know, a ton of really great
people and there's just so many names I'm not
listing. Um, I can't think of at the moment,
but that, I mean, that's definitely one of the
greatest outcomes. Um, and you know, it's an
amazing award that they really, they really do
support, um, uh, young amateurs, um, and their
journey into the technology world. So, um, yeah,
I mean, it's a great thing. And the nominating
period is open now until, um, June 30th, so arnewsline
.org is the web address and click on the Y -H
-O -T -Y tab or as I like to call it the Yehody
tab. Don and I had a show we talked about the
Yehody thing and we talked about TLAs too, which
you're the one who introduced me to the TLA.
Yeah, so the TLAs, the engineering world is full
of TLAs and FLAs, which are three -letter acronyms
and four -letter acronyms. And that's just an
acronym for acronyms. And that was another friend
of mine at Cornell actually told me that. But
yeah, we love using that just as a joke, but
yeah. So Yehudi is a five -letter acronym. It's
even better. So anyway, that's there. So that's
one of the reasons we have Patrick on tonight
is is to promote that award. So Get your nominations
in again AR newsline org and click on the hoodie
tab. So Tell us about what you've been doing
with the amateur radio club at Cornell and How
you got involved with violet? the satellite and
your part in building that. Absolutely. So my
involvement of those two programs were actually
totally separate at the beginning. It was the
W2CXM Amateur Radio Club of Cornell, one of the
oldest clubs. I think it's 101 years old right
now. It used to be, or it was for a very long
time, a graduate student club. And the advisor
for it asked me to sort of go through the process
of making it an undergraduate club, because there's
a lot of interest from undergraduate students.
So that was one of the big goals I had for freshman
year. And so I did that. And that was a number
of undergraduate members. And then a separate
thing that I joined was the Space Systems Design
Studio. And I joined Project Violet, which is
a nano satellite, so approximately 0 .5 meters
cubed. So significantly larger than your normal
CubeSat. And we couldn't use any CubeSat hardware,
which is significantly cheaper than pretty much
any other satellite hardware you could get. So
all of the PCBs are in -house. So we do have
a couple COTS components. But primarily, COTS
is a four -letter acronym. It means commercial
off the shelf. And so we have a couple of components,
like a gyroscope that we use, a magnetometer,
and then the spectrometer, which is why it's
actually called Violet. We wanted to look at
the upper Earth atmosphere, basically viewing
the sun through the top layer of our atmosphere.
But the primary goal of Violet was to be a technology
demonstration of these new sort of miniaturized
actuators called control moment gyroscopes. So
they're basically just The International Space
Station uses these as well as a couple other
telescope satellites. But that's the primary
goal is to demonstrate those as well as the algorithms,
the steering algorithms. So that's attitude control
systems mission, pretty much. And so basically
what we do is just slew the satellite in our,
in low Earth orbit and demonstrate these steering
laws, their efficiencies, and then get the data
down to ground. So that's the basis of Violet.
And so I joined Violet as the lead of telemetry
and command. So basically I had to deal with
all RF communication, all the radio communication.
And so I sort of joined those two clubs, WCXM
and Violet, in an effort to get a ground station,
a satellite ground station developed. So that
happened. So now we have a wonderful azimuth
elevation rotator system on the top of Barton
Hall. on Cornell campus. We also have all of
the peripheral equipment that would be required,
so we do all the satellite com through a TS -2000.
But I've been remaining kind of hands -off on
that part. I gave the ground station lead his
responsibilities, let him do all that stuff.
And so this semester I sort of moved on from
my telemetry and command position. I've been
doing a lot of power work and other electronics
debugging. I'm really a huge electronics guy
in general, so I wanted to sort of get some more
experience with other stuff like a custom PCB
fab debugging and just in general the electronics
that might go in a satellite. So this semester
I worked a lot on the photovoltaic system, charging
system, state of charge algorithm. inhibit system,
which pretty much means when we want to turn
on the satellite, use these lodging relays. And
a bunch of other power systems. That's been my
main focus for the last two semesters. I've also
been doing a ton of telemetry, so a lot of the
RF stuff was sort of finished and good when I
came in, but there were a lot of packet structure
issues, so I worked on a lot of debugging with
that. A lot of CRC problems, checksum, like whenever
you send a packet, you need to basically do a
checksum or just check that the packet is real
and okay. So I did a lot of that debugging. But
I've been kind of hopping around subsystems.
So our team is made of like 11 different subsystems.
So we know structures, CDH, which is command
and data handling, attitude control, power. TNC
telemetry and command and a couple other ones
and So most of my work has been on power telemetry
command and I've just recently gotten really
into attitude control systems And that's sort
of my new my new obsession right now in terms
of electronics is is control systems But yeah,
I'm really in love with spacecraft and so I found
a great way to kind of connect those two amateur
radio and spacecraft and so now I'm just sort
of taken off, if you will, and sort of exploring
the whole realm of technology and space. And
it's really a beautiful thing. And I think that
there's going to be a huge explosion of sort
of space exploration in the next couple years.
Everything's getting cheaper now, as you might
see with launch vehicles, and especially the
Falcon 9, being able to be returned. That pretty
much lobs off $30 million straight off the launch
cost. And that's a pretty astounding thing. So
I think more youngsters that are into ham radio
will have the chance to get into space just since
it's getting cheaper and cheaper. And a lot of
schools are doing CubeSat programs now, and a
lot of space competitions, they're hosting them.
So if anybody's interested, they can email me
and see. Uh, I don't know, just ask about opportunities,
but, um, yeah, certainly space has been kind
of my biggest or my, my highest obsession. Um,
that leads us right into the next thing. So,
uh, last summer you were able to land an internship
with, uh, SpaceX and, um, I actually got to visit
you for a short time down there at Cape Canaveral.
So tell us a little bit about, uh, what you did
down at Cape Canaveral and then. what you're
getting ready to do here in a few days for this
summer? Certainly. So with all the work that
I sort of did on Violet, I sort of grabbed attention
of a recruiter and landed an interview. And so
the first interview actually was in headquarters
and it was for a co -op, which means I had to
take off a semester. And I ended up just turning
that down because I was unable to do that early
on in my education. I did a second interview
for Cape Canaveral, and that's one of their other
sites, which of course they do most of their
launches from. They have one launch site in Vandenberg,
but primarily SLC 40, Space Launch Complex 40
in Cape Canaveral. And so I got hired as a launch
intern among 17 other kids, and my more specific
job was instrumentation and range interns. So
I pretty much worked on a lot of the instrumentation,
all the electronics underneath the bay. I actually
worked on SLC -39A, which is complex 39A, which
is where all the Apollo missions launched from
and roughly half of the shuttle missions launched
from. NASA just leased it to SpaceX for their
new Falcon Heavy vehicle. The launch pad will
also launch Falcon 9s, but it was primarily developed
for Falcon Heavy. So I worked on a lot of the
electronic systems down there, a couple different
RF systems, but yeah, a lot of data acquisition,
instrumentation, stuff like that. And I had a
specific project I worked on, which was really,
really fun. I won't talk too much about it, might
be a little boring for you. But it was really
great working there. I had a lot of one -on -one
time with my boss, who's a manager of electrical
engineering on the pad. A really great guy. And
the people there are just really passionate and
really knowledgeable. So that was an incredibly
fun internship. I got to drive around the Air
Force base all day. I got to look at other launch
pads. I got to watch rocket launches. And so
it was a great experience. Very, very fun summer.
And picked up surfing. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. A lot of a lot of people there go surfing.
And so I just sort of hopped on. I got a I rented
a board for a while. Incredibly fun. But I was
surfing on Cocoa Beach, which is sort of the
best place if you want a shark bite. And so there
were I had a couple of experiences where I would
see sharks just a couple feet away from me. Uh,
one time I had a little, a baby shark, uh, hit
me in the leg, just swam right into me. Uh, but
you know, it was a, it was a really great experience.
A lot of fun surfing, totally recommend. Great,
great, great way to get out there. So. All right.
Well, now you're on the way to the other end
of the continent. So tell us what's, what's coming
up this summer. Absolutely. So, um, I was in
Cape Canaveral last summer, and this summer I
interviewed and got a position in Hawthorne,
California, which is basically right outside
Los Angeles. It's the headquarters of SpaceX,
and so I will be working as an avionics intern
on Dragon. Dragon is the spacecraft that goes
on top of the Falcon 9. It does all of the CRS,
the cargo resupply missions. to the International
Space Station and in 2017 and 2018 that the Dragon
capsule will be flying our astronauts, our very
own astronauts. We don't have to use the Russians
anymore for that and so there's a great deal
of patriotism there and so I'm very excited to
be working on that. I can't really give any more
specifics mostly because I don't really have
any more specifics myself but as far as I know
right now avionics and the dragon vehicle so
I'm incredibly excited I've never been to California
before hopefully I'll get some more surfing in
maybe get a little sun but it should be a fun
summer should be a very fun one well it sounds
like a great opportunity for you and I couldn't
be more proud that you're able to do that hey
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hopefully he'll give us a call back here. We
couldn't do that in the middle of the show. Yep,
there he is. So we'll connect with Dexter here.
How are you? Are you there? Good. Thank you for
giving us call. On the live feed is very low.
Yes, I'm here your audio on the live feed was
very low Yeah, Patrick Patrick was fine your
audio was low Well, okay Looks okay on this end.
So I will dig around and try to find what's going
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Patrick? No, I didn't. Just letting you know.
Oh, okay. Very good. Well, thanks for letting
me know. I'll check into that and see what's
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call here. Let's see here. Oh, we have a message
here from Troy. You remember Troy from Illinois?
Good to hear you, he says. Troy Simpson over
at Glenn Raymond School over in Illinois. Patrick,
what would you tell aspiring young hams out there
that are working on, you know, still finishing
up middle school, high school, maybe even elementary
school. What would you say to those hams that
are looking to study more beyond high school?
All right, so definitely, you know, go and get
your license. try and go as high as possible.
I think that sort of will bring you as much knowledge,
especially if you're passionate about the hobby.
I would also definitely study electronics on
your own time because, you know, hand radio is
inherently tied to electronics. Everything is
electrical. It's, you know, based purely on,
you know, LCs and... I would just study electronics
and even start building. A great book, a great
couple of series of books that got me into the
hobby were the Forrest Mims engineered notebooks.
They have tons of examples of 555 circuits and
op -amp circuits that really teach you the basics
of electronics. You know in analog circuitry,
so I would you know get passionate about it What
maybe watch some YouTube videos of people in
their homebrew projects? That's definitely something
that motivated me is like watching people Kind
of build something from nothing and then have
it You know work and do a really cool thing so
building a transmitter is amazing You know you
you just have like this pile of of like carbon
and silicon And then you solder it together and
you end up creating something that can talk to
somebody halfway across the world. I mean, that's
amazing. And you really don't feel that until
you've sort of done it. And so until you've built
it. And once you've built it, it's kind of the
most amazing feeling. I think there's a great
Nikola Tesla quote that says there's nothing
greater than the feeling that or there's nothing
greater than the inventor who sees a creation
of their mind come to be. I'm super paraphrasing,
but. Look that quote up to just you know the
internet is a great A great resource pretty much
everything you could possibly want to learn is
on the internet And so that's what I would say
is just kind of teach yourself. I mean if you're
passionate about something There's there should
be no barriers there for you, and you should
try and break them down And so that's you know
that's what I did in high school is I sort of
Asked for a soldering iron for my birthday I
got that and I started taking apart stuff. Just
even televisions, old cathode ray tube stuff.
You've got to be really careful because sometimes
they have some capacitance that will shock you.
But take apart stuff safely and then use those
parts in like the TV or the microwave or whatever
it might be to build a project and then just
build one thing and then you'll really realize
how cool it is. But beyond that, I mean, you
know. I guess try to educate yourself as much
as possible. And it's great, you know, go to
a school, you know, to learn just at college
or a couple year program. Definitely teach you
a ton. And I think understanding and being able
to build and design electronics is an incredibly
valuable tool. And we see that its value is skyrocketing
as time goes on. So. Do you have an opportunity
to go to several summer programs that Had some
pretty cool science to them. Oh Yeah, so there's
a ton of there are a ton of summer programs that
are totally free So I'm gonna give a shout out
to the people at Michigan State University There's
a physics of atomic nuclei pan program. Look
it up totally free program You basically will
learn about atomic nuclei and the nucleosynthesis.
So pretty much how a star will generate nuclei
up to iron. And then once it explodes, there's
enough activation energy to create other nuclei.
It's a great program that teaches kids a lot
about physics. And in the process, you learn
a little bit about programming and other stuff
totally free week at Michigan State University.
Great programs like that will push you into the
STEM fields. And so I, there's a couple other
stuff. Uh, I did a program at like Brown university
on Nikola Tesla. I'm kind of have a thing. He's
a, he's one of my favorite, um, scientists. Um,
but this, you know, plenty of is a, you know,
a plethora of programs that you can look into
that are, you know, free and highly educational
and just great things to do. So I would look
into those. And did you see the Tesla bumper
stickers from, from Hamvention? Yes, Maria just
gave me one. It's a yellow bumper sticker. I
think it's ICOM from ICOM. It has his face, Nikola
Tesla's face, and it says Tesla was right. I
assume alternating current. But yeah, wonderful,
wonderful stickers. A question about the Young
Ham of the Year Award or any of these things
that Patrick's talking about or SpaceX and his
internship there, why give us a call? We've got
just time for maybe one call. So if you want
to get that in, now's the time to do that. 812
-NATAM -1 or Skype HamTalk Live. So tell us just
quickly about your classes. How are classes going
for you and how's Ham Radio helped you out in
those? Certainly. So this semester I took a couple
electrical engineering classes, one of them being
Introduction to Circuits and the other being
Introduction to Digital Logic. So Introduction
to Circuits was sort of just, I don't want to
be like mean or anything, but it was kind of
a cakewalk. And so definitely learning All of
the material that leads up to the extra class
significantly helped. And if you know a little
bit about math, you can understand Laplace transforms.
And Laplace transforms are incredibly valuable
when it comes into circuit analysis, and especially
sinusoidal circuit, steady state analysis. So
that was a fun class. Ham Radio has certainly
helped me with that one. I really... did not
struggle with that at all. Digital logic, that's
sort of more, you know, computer architecture
stuff. I didn't get a whole lot of exposure to
that from ham radio. Obviously I knew all the
gates, I knew how they all work. I understood
like sort of the basic of flip -flops, a little
bit of memory, stuff like that. But there's a
lot of stuff that I didn't know, like, you know,
doing... time analysis, CPI, like cycles per
instruction, ALUs, I didn't really know anything
about that, and in general, like the computer
architecture of a processor. Didn't know too
much, but Hammer Day still helped out with the
sort of basics of that class, you know, inverters
and NAND gates, all that sort of stuff. And so,
next semester, I will be taking signals. ECE
class. ECE is the program at Cornell. It's at
electrical and computer engineering. And I'll
be also taking an ECE design class, which pretty
much needs to design a line following robot that
utilizes an FPGA, which is a field programmable
gate array, which is definitely something I would
advise youngsters to get into. It's an incredible
technology, as well as microcontroller architecture.
And one of my friends actually included sort
of an RF chipset in that as well. So that'll
be a fun class. I'll get to just really do a
lot of design work, be creative. I'll also be
taking a couple mechanical and airspace engineering
classes, one of them being Introduction to Spaceflight
Mechanics, which will be really cool. It's basically
celestial mechanics, understanding orbits, Hohmann
transfers, and different things like that. And
then I'm also taking something that I'm really
excited about called feedback control methods.
And so that sort of dials into my my interest
in attitude control and guidance. So for spacecraft,
basically that it is an intellectual engineering
class. It sort of teaches you how to build controllers
with with feedback mechanisms. And so you can
use like op amps to build PID controllers, which
is proportional and integral derivative controller.
And so I would also advise kids to get into that
kind of stuff, because that's really cool. That
goes into robotics. That goes into pretty much
everything in the future. So that's going to
be a really, really fun class. And I'm excited
for that. And then, of course, there'll be cooler
classes in the future beyond that. But that's
what I have for now. Well Patrick, thank you
so much for sharing everything and telling us
getting us caught up on what you've been up to
and how ham radio ties into all that and Thanks
for taking some time out of your few days off
here between school and work to To let everybody
know about it Certainly. Thanks for having me
on mr. Epp All right. Thank you. That's Patrick
Lassandra KC9 UUS the 2013 amateur radio news
line Young Ham of the Year, among other awards
and recognitions. Thanks so much for being here,
and that's a wrap for this week's HamTalk Live.
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