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for HamTalk Live. Joe Eisenberg, K -0 NEB, is
an expert in kit building. He's the longtime
kit building editor at CQ Magazine and often
makes presentations and offers kit builds at
HamFest conventions and club meetings including
the Dayton Hamvention and the Huntsville HamFest.
Joe started Ham Radio at age 14 and has been
licensed since 1969. He is also well known for
his picture shows of Hamvention, his famous Dr.
Seuss hat that he only wears at Dayton. Maybe
we'll have time to talk about that. And Joe lives
in Lincoln, Nebraska and is an avid Cornhusker
fan. He works in the IT industry for his day
job. Joe, thanks so much for being on HamTalk
Live tonight. Well, good evening, Neil, and hello
from Lincoln, Nebraska. Yeah, it's great to see
you ham -vention for just a minute or so But
maybe we'll talk about some ham -vention stuff
a little later on and I got to see you when you
were five years old at the Kenwood booth Yeah,
I was actually telling Joel over the Kenwood
booth about that That that was the place where
I was when I was a little kid signing QSL cards
and everything so 520 yeah I found the receipt
for that the other day and my mom had passed
away here a couple months ago and I well not
a couple months ago a month ago or so anyway
we were going through some stuff and found the
the receipt for the 520 that they they wrote
no charge on it was pretty cool So what's the
new stuff going on in kit building? What's the
latest going on in kit building these days? Well
there's a lot of kits coming from a lot of sources.
Now of course you know in the early 90s when
Heath kit went out they were the biggest source
of kits and the one that had the most kits in
terms of numbers of kits was Ramsey electronics
from that point on. And as of January 1st, they
got out of the business. So everybody's saying,
well, who else has a lot of kits? Well, they
come from all sorts of places. There are, of
course, private builders. as well as organizations
such as the Four State QRP Group has a whole
bunch of neat kits like the Ozark Patrol, which
is a regenerative receiver where you solder the
parts onto the back of the board that's the front
panel. So for a beginning kit builder, it's pretty
cool because you don't have holes to put the
wires through. Instead, you solder them to pads
and trim them there. And it's easy to de -solder
that by simply tucking the soldering iron under
the part. it up. So 4State QRP has several kits
that are built in that style. Some receivers,
transmitters and stuff for QRP. There is qrpkits
.com which has a huge variety of QRP radios including
transceivers with digital display and a lot of
simple kits they call their new easy kits that
just came out that are I would say easily built
in an hour or so. Some less than that And you
go all the way up to Ella craft who makes them
pretty high -end kits now the k2 transceiver
has been around for quite a while and Although
it's not really inexpensive. It is still a part
-by -part you solder each piece all band all
mode transceiver And with a lot of the features
that you'd expect on a on a good radio and some
of the best performance in the receiver business
on the K2. There are modular kits like the KX3
and the K3 from Millicraft that you put together
but you don't solder, which is still useful because
you learn about what's inside the radio. But
they still make the KX1, which is a portable
handheld CW transceiver, and the K1, which is
another portable CW transceiver. And there's
a company called DZ Kits, and they're from Colorado,
and they have the Sienna XL, which is a full
-featured multi -band transceiver that you can
get with options from 20 milliwatts to 100 watts.
In fact, I would say that the two best sets of
manuals are the Ellicraft and the DZ Kits. I
think they are probably some of the more well
-documented kits out there. Four -state QRP kits
have nice manuals as well. A lot of the kit makers,
besides those two big ones, I have the manuals
as a download as a PDF and so you download the
manual and print it yourself that way if they
make any changes or updates They don't have to
change a bunch of books and you can read the
manual before you order the kit so There's a
lot of kits. I can't put my finger on the best
ones Another source of simple kits to get going
is qrpme .com and that's Rex W1rex and he makes
the tuna tin series of kits based on the original
tuna tin by Doug DeMaw from ARRL so the the Kits
that are out there come from a wide variety of
sources. There are QRP clubs, like I said, like
FourState, that actually finance their conventions
by the sale of kits. So I can't put my finger
on which one is the very best, but there's some
very high quality kits there. Now one of the
things I heard you talking about on the Ellicraft
rig was that I'm not sure if it's all of them
or one of them, is the test equipment for the
rest of the build. Yeah, the K2, they have you
build the front panel first because it has basically
a digital display that's a frequency counter
and can measure voltages and things like that.
It's kind of an amazing way to do it. And so
the K2, actually the front panel is the test
equipment to align the rest of the radio. Yeah,
that sounded like a really cool idea and of course
documentation is like you said is always a real
valuable thing and you know when I was growing
up building the Morse code gear and I think I
actually built a cruise control if I remember
right that from Heath kit You know those Heath
kit manuals were just always fabulous, but they
always would have that Sheet, you know of changes
and then you know sometimes two or three. Yes
And so you had to make sure that you you you
know, you hit those Corrections to the manual
but they always did have very clear directions
and it made it really easy to to build So those
are some of the best kits out there what would
use for transceivers what you would you suggest
for beginners that are just kind of learning
like maybe a clock kit or something simple just
to start identifying parts and start to learn
which way a diode goes in and that kind of thing.
What would you say would be the best ones for
that? Well, there's all sorts of simple ones
out there. I would say Some of the kits from
QRP guys are real simple. They're like a CW keyer
and paddle. And from Rex, W1REX, he has one called
the Little Squall, which is kind of a fancier
version of the Pixi, which is a CW transceiver,
very simple. And the circuit board is labeled
with all the different stages. It so you not
only put the parts on the board But you know
what stage those parts belong to so you learn
radio along with it, so that would be a good
one the little squall There's a company called
Well, I'm trying to remember the exact name,
but their webpage is va kits calm va kits calm
and they have things Like a crystal tester and
crystal oscillator and a lot of things that like
flashlights and sequence and things like that
with LEDs, that's probably a really good choice
for a beginner that just wants to solder parts
on a board and make something work. The Chinese
Pixie also comes to mind because those cost around
$4 and it's a great club buy. And, uh, it's a
simple 40 meter CW transceiver that shouldn't
take more than about an hour and a half or two
hours for a beginning builder to put together.
Excellent. Those sound like some, uh, some great
choices. Now you mentioned, um, you know, some
of the kit makers going, uh, out of the business
like, uh, electronic rainbow and Ramsey. And
one of my favorites from Ramsey was the, the
old radar zapper. When radar detectors were big,
you could build this little CW transmitter that
was up in the 5 GHz range, I think it was. It
was actually 10 GHz. 10 GHz, yeah. And it looked
like a garage door opener. Yeah, and I still
have mine. I still have that. Well, I had one
and I called it my tractor beam because if somebody
zapped around me and I saw a detector on their
dash, I'd push that button and it was like a
tractor beam. You could pull him back. Yeah.
And they even in the instructions had this game
that you got, you know, two points for brake
lights and five points if they pulled over. That
was really good. You learn about microwave diodes
and microwave circuits. So it had its use and
it actually had a legitimate use and that was
testing those kind of receivers as well as automatic
door openers would work with that as well. Yeah,
that was a really cool kit. And so, Ramsey's
gotten out of those kits, but Joe just gave you
some good places to find some of those kits.
Now, you can still get some of the Ramsey kits.
They're still available on Amazon .com, and you
just search for Ramsey Electronics or Ramsey
kits, and whatever they have left is being sold
on Amazon right now. Now, did you ever build
the service monitor? No, I did not yeah, they
had they had the service monitor that that they
would offer in kit form and I can't imagine having
that kind of a build but They had it in kit form
so yes, they did. I just never Take the time
to build one of those yeah Massive undertaking,
but it would have been a great addition to my
bench Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, I read an
article here online just a week or two ago About
the shack is back that Radio Shack has come out
of bankruptcy, but they're they're in a very
different state and you know for a lot of years
my big complaint was well all the parts are gone
and you know, it's just radio -controlled cars
and cell phones and gadgets and stuff and And
it got to the point where, you know, if I had
to go fix the repeater, I couldn't just run to
Radio Shack and get the parts anymore. And now
they're saying that they're going after the maker
market and that this guy that wrote the opinion
piece was saying, you know, good for Radio Shack
and hello Heath Kit, where are you? Because Heath
Kits trying to make a comeback. And so can you
comment on that a little bit and tell us what's
going on with that? Actually, it was a little
over a year ago when everybody was making raids
on Radio Shack stores with all the bargains when
they were closing things out. Yeah, I bought
$400 worth of parts at a Radio Shack that was
going out in Greenwood for $31. Yeah, that's
my part collection at school. Yeah, I picked
up for like a hundred dollars I picked up like
three or four soldering irons and boxes that
that were those 15 or 20 foot or whatever of
RG 58 coax assemblies and then those two assortment
boxes they had of parts and stuff I got all that
for a lot less than what I would have paid and
It's great. I'm still using that stuff And it
was a great bargain. But it also tells you that
they did have Arduino stuff and a couple of things
for the Raspberry Pi before they went bankrupt.
And now they seem to be looking back at it. The
only thing is is that about 70 % of their stores
are Radio Shack Sprint stores. So they're primarily
the Sprint. Phone products, but they do carry
a variety of the regular radio shack products
in there But it's much smaller variety of stuff
than then you used to see before and then there
are a handful of stores that are traditional
Radio shack that I don't know if they even have
the cell phones in them anymore That are more
traditional radio shacks here in Lincoln. We
have just one of each the the phone one and the
regular one. And I have not been in there lately
to take a look again. I was there about six months
ago, though. And like I said, the traditional
one was still pretty traditional, but it just
didn't have as many merchandise items as they
used to have. But they were carrying more stuff
that was aimed at Arduino and Raspberry Pi users.
Heath kit. has reconstituted itself somebody
actually bought the rights to the copyrights
on the original intellectual property and the
logo and so forth and he's out in Silicon Valley
and so far he's come out with a TRF AM radio
kit which sells for $149 .95. So it's $150 for
a relatively simple AM radio. And he has two
versions, one that you solder and one that you
don't. And then he has a version of what's called
the Ventenna. They don't call it that, but it's
a two meter and 440 antenna that clamps to your
vent on your house. You can have an outside VHF,
UHF antenna that meets neighborhood restrictions,
and that's also $150. And so that's the only
two real new products I've seen other than some
replacement assemblies and upgrade boards for
certain Hi -Fi equipment that RadioShack came
out with, not RadioShack, HeathKit did, as well
as a replacement set of cups for their anemometer
and things like that. Yeah, I want to say it
was a cruise control that I built for some force
for somebody actually When I was a kid, you know,
there was just an unlimited number of kits that
they had and So it'll be interesting to see Yeah,
this guy comes with that. Oh, wow. Yeah, it'll
be interesting to see if they if they revive
you know, a lot more than just those two. So,
well, we'll have to keep an eye on that and see
how that goes. Well, it's time to take our final
break. We'll be back to take your calls for Joe
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here Tell the audience the story about the dr.
Seuss hat now. I know you only wear that at Dayton
But tell tell the audience the story of the dr.
Seuss hat. Well, actually It's only been worn
one other place and that was two years ago when
I went to Friedrichshafen but one year I was
sick and did not make Hamvention and so the following
year I still wasn't doing really well and Didn't
go to any of the hospitality suites and so forth
in the evening in fact I kind of slept in in
the morning and didn't get there till later also
and The second year that I had come back people
were saying you know I missed you twice in a
row, they'd tell me on the air, I missed you
two years in a row. And I said, well, I was gone
one, but I had my little red ball cap on. Well,
finally, one guy on the air said, well, maybe
you need a bigger hat so I can see you in the
crowd, because I don't want to miss seeing you.
And so I took it to heart. And when I was at
the state fair a few months later, I saw these
Dr. Seuss hats, but they were not quite Dr. Seuss
hats. They looked like it, but they had kind
of a spiral stripes on it. And so I went to a
store in Omaha which sells a lot of Halloween
costumes and I found the actual Dr. Seuss hat
and then I had it stitched with my name and call
letters on it and extra felt put on it to mount
the antenna. that goes up the back, and it actually
helps because my friends that listen to me on
VHF or UHF at Dayton can usually copy me pretty
good, because it works a lot better than having
the rubber duck on your hip. And so the following
year I brought it with me, but I didn't put it
on. I put back on my little regular red ball
cap again with my name and call letters on it,
like everybody else wears, and people were saying,
well, where's the hat? We need to be able to
find you. So I went back out to my car and I
brought the cap in and put it on and ever since
then it's been a tradition and Next year will
be the 20th year that I've worn the hat Wow 20
years with the dr. Seuss hat, but it does it
makes it really easy to find you I found you
all the way across the the food area this year
uh, just from that hat. So I knew, oh, I got
to go down there and catch Joe real quick. I've
had people who were looking for me and didn't
know what frequency to call me on, crawl up into
the chairs in the arena and they'd see me come
in and they'd come downstairs or they'd spot
me across the ball arena or something. And so
it's helped. So I don't have to go searching
for somebody. They, they all find me. But the
thing is then when I see you at Huntsville, There's
no hat. That's right. It's just a Dayton tradition
of course if you look at Huntsville It's probably
easier to find somebody there than it is in Dayton
because it's all in one room well true so it's
it is a lot easier and There's a lot less interference,
so it's more easy to find me on UHF or something
but Unless I'm on DMR, then I'm hiding from everybody,
but But And I'm always taking pictures, and you'll
always see the camera with me. I've been taking
pictures since my first Hamvention in 1975. And
I've kind of become the official photographer
for the Hamvention. And about four years ago,
they flew me to Dayton to present to Dara my
old... Dayton pictures and videos that go back
in the 70s and 80s and so forth and to explain
to them why I make these slideshows that are
set to music and And the reason I did that was
because every year since my first visit I would
give a presentation to my local club here in
Lincoln and in Omaha and surrounding clubs here
in Nebraska and Iowa and at different hamfests
and conventions all year long saying what happens
at Dayton and what it takes to go there. And
it was a way I found to show a lot of pictures
in a short amount of time to give them a really
good idea and make it entertaining by sending
it to music. Absolutely. Love those. We'll talk
about that here in just a second. What are we
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Live or on Skype at HamTalk Live. So if you have
questions about kit building or anything else
for Joe, why give us a call right now. And yeah,
the Facebook group even has the top 20 countdown
of Joe Eisenberg picture video. So every year
you take a song. and you put all the pictures
in with the song and you have a theme going.
So tell us about that. Like this year's was turn
up the radio. So what did you see in the video?
You saw a lot of large amplifiers and big radios.
Yes, you saw a whole variety of stuff, but the
emphasis was on the big stuff. Each one has a
theme. I did Girls Just Wanna Have Fun, and I,
of course, followed up with The Boys Are Back
in Town. I did Taking Care of Business several
years ago, which covers the business and buying
and selling at Dayton. I try to make each one
have a theme, and next year's is probably gonna
be radio waves, and the emphasis on that will
be antennas. So I try to come up with a theme
and I hear these songs when I'm driving back
and forth because I live in Lincoln but I work
in Omaha and so I have about an hour each way
each day 50 miles where I'm listening to music
on the radio and sometimes the song will just
stick in my craw and I'll just say you know that's
that might work. I will come up with one now
a couple years ago I had one all picked out and
I probably still will use it in a future year,
but I was on my way to Branson with a friend
of mine writing with me we were carpooling down
there for Ozarkon and while driving, we kept
hearing Sharp Dressed Man, and he kept saying,
Joe, I love your slideshows. Why don't you make
one out of that? And I said, well, it has nothing
to do with radio. I can't do a radio theme. And
he says, you don't have to. Just make it fun.
And so I had everybody doing the gesture that
ZZ Top does in the old 1980s rock video and made
that into my slideshow. So that was kind of a
fun one. Now now I'll tell you that though that
One of the things that I noticed this year that
that I don't always get to see was after Contest
University when I went down to the the lobby
at the Crowne Plaza because I normally don't
go down there but this year I did because of
some parking things and All these guys started
coming in and in their suits and ties and everything
because they were going to the ARRL banquet and
keynote on Thursday night. And so they were all
sharply dressed. So you might be able to do that.
Yeah, that was the donor dinner. And I've been
to that before. And yeah, so you do see a lot
of sharp dressed people on that. I kind of took
a lighter look at it with with my show. Freeze
frame, which I did. Couple years ago looks at
photography how many people are taking pictures
like I am So every year has kind of a theme and
we try to follow it and if you listen carefully
to the words of the songs and look at the pictures
you'll see that it actually ties in and And then
there's one that has a real sad ending, and that
is Mr. Blue Sky. I actually showed the teardown
of Hamvention. That was because I had like a
630 flight that year, so I had the time to do
it. But there's some photographic tricks in some
of them, like in Radio Gaga. everybody thinks
somehow I was in the cockpit of the plane to
take the shots because you're looking straight
down the runway and you're looking into the cockpit
and it was simply a juxtaposition of shots taken
out my window and And when we crossed an active
runway, I shot down the runway so that it looks
like we're going straight down it. And so it's
kind of fun. It's kind of playing with editing
photos and stuff like you would with video. And
it gives kind of the illusion that you're flying
the plane there. And like this year, we kind
of did a fun thing. We did kits on a plane. and
that was when I actually built a kit with Rex
who makes the tuna tin kits and so forth. He
was sitting next to me on the flight and kind
of by coincidence and we got to go over the kit
that we were going to do together at the world's
biggest buildathon. So that was a lot of fun
and so you get to see kits on a plane in the
slideshow. Very good. So if you want to see these
if you haven't seen those before go to YouTube
YouTube .com and search for Joe Husker, Joe Husker.
Yes. Yeah, J -o -e -h -u -s -k -e -r is the channel
name and you can also search for KZeroNEB Okay,
so those are those are always great to watch
and enjoy those greatly so You'll have to check
those out too. 812 netham1, 812 netham1 if you
have kit building questions or questions for
Joe about the pictures from Dayton or anything
else give us a call or you can tweet or you can
Skype at HamTalk Live. I want to go back to the
kits for a moment. And now it escapes me, of
course, as soon as I say that. But if you were
looking at a kit to do for a large group, like
you said, the world's biggest buildathon, what
would you suggest for something like that? Simplicity
is best obviously when you have a larger number
of builders you want to make it as simple as
you can and yet entertaining and and have a At
least a variety of components like an IC and
a couple of transistors and a few resistors and
a few caps So that they get an idea of how to
handle each different kind of part because you
want at least one of each of the major groups
of components so I would look at that when you're
choosing a kit because you don't want to make
it too hard like having to wind a toroid or something
unless you have plenty of time like an all -day
kit build there's a kit that's relatively simple
to put together but it takes some preparation
to do it as a group and that is and I can't remember
who puts it out but it is a direction finding
kit it's put out by somebody in Ohio and it you
make kind of a bowtie antenna out of bent coat
hangers and solder lugs and you hook it to this
board and you put it on your receiver and you
hear a tone and when the tone nulls you're looking
the direction of the transmitter and so it lets
you teach both kit building and fox hunting and
I remember the name now. It's called a handy
finder h -a -n -d -i -f -i -n -d -e -r the handy
finder runs on a 9 -volt battery and each kit
does not come with the wire for the connection
to the radio nor does it come with the Coat hanger
metal coat hanger that you've been to make the
bowtie, but you can also use stiff copper wire
as well and In fact, household electrical wire
works really good for the antenna, the stiff
stuff like you'd put in a house. And the kit's
relatively inexpensive. I think in bulk, it's
about $24 each, has a variety of parts, goes
together very quickly, and then you get to have
two events. You have a kit build, and then you
get to teach fox hunting. And so that would be
a good group build. Oh, that sounds like a really
good deal. We just had a... Transpender Hunt
Fox Hunt on Tuesday for the school and they did
a good job with it. We had several that had been
on one before so they they did really well with
that but that would be a good good project for
them. I remembered what I was going to talk about
before the show we were talking about the old
spring kits where you would take a wire and Bend
a spring and put it in inside of one of the springs
to to connect it like I had the Radio Shack 150
in one kit and You said that you started out
on something similar when you were seven Yeah,
it was I was nine years old and it was a 40 in
one kit and It had a it was a little more difficult
type spring terminal and some fond stock clips
and things like that But they would have all
the parts in there and labeled and then you would
just plug the wires in So that you could connect
and disconnect pretty easily and then I know
they they started coming out with these snap
kits Yeah, the things yeah would just snap together.
So so watch compare and contrast those And what
you think of those and are those spring kits
still made by anybody? Yes, they are. I think
a Lenco Len co Make some of those and they're
good If they allow you to make more than one
item they have several that only make one thing
like an AM FM radio Which is okay, too But I
kind of prefer the ones that let you make several
different circuits because then you learn that
a component can do more than one thing And so
I would look at Elenco, and I can't remember
who else carries those. And I think Radio Shack
may still offer them mail order. OK, very good.
Well, I remember probably seven years old, eight
years old, something like that. We actually needed
a circuit to trigger the push to talk on. The
repeater because something had gone out and and
we actually our repeater was actually a kit it
was one of the Hamtronics yeah, it's actually
VHF engineering, but it was the the hamtronics
thing with a different name on it, but Somebody
in our club had actually built that and you know,
everything was great and then all of a sudden
the King circuit went out and so My 150 in one
I wired it up for the vox circuit I think it
was and we modified it slightly and and actually
had it running the repeater for a week or two
Until we could get everything working. So Yeah
shows the things you learn from kit building
and I always tell people that One of the neat
things you can do once you've learned about your
kit is add to it, improve on it. You might want
to adjust different values to see what they do.
There's all sorts of things you can do once you
learn about the circuits that make up the kit.
Yeah, that is a great opportunity to do that.
And of course you know how to fix it. Yeah. And
that's always the good part about, you know,
like building an Ellicraft, you know, that's
a complicated build, but you learn how to fix
it, and you can go in there and repair those
things. So it's a great advantage to that. And
that's one of the things I tell my kit building
classes, and that is that if you find somebody
selling a set of standard parts, like an assortment
of quarter watt resistors, which are probably
the most common in kits, or a variety of disk
capacitors or NPO capacitors, or electrolytic
capacitors or diodes or transistors or ICs that
are common in kits. Make sure they're values
that you would commonly use and set up some parts
bins. You can get them at Harbor Freight or Sears
or places like that and sort them out so that
you have them available. I keep those on my bench
because it's terrible to be working through a
kit and suddenly find out you need a 10K resistor
because you'd lost it or it was missing or something
like that. can just reach up in your tray and
pull out one of those and put it in. Or you might
find out that, oh, the CW side tone, it can be
a little more comfortable pitch to your ears
if you substitute a 680 ohm resistor instead
of a 1K or something. And so you have those parts
on hand. All great tips from Joe Eisenberg, KZeroNEB,
the kit building editor from CQ Magazine. Joe,
thanks so much for joining us tonight. And thank
you very much, Neil, and have a wonderful summer.
Alright, that's a wrap for this week's edition
of HamTalk Live. I'd like to thank my guest Joe,
K0NEB, and all the callers and listeners out
there in cyberspace, and invite you back next
Thursday night at 9 p .m. Eastern when Karen
Eve Murray, KD2GUT, joins us from Amateur Radio
Newsline from the news desk in New York. For
a list of all of our upcoming guests, visit AmtokLive
.com. So for now, this is Neil Rapp, WB9 VPG,
saying 7 -3, 7 -5, and may the good DX be yours.
Thanks for watching!