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I'm your host, Neil Rapp, WB9VPG. 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:12.759 Thanks for tuning in to another episode of AMTALK 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:16.560 LIVE. This evening, Glenn Johnson, W -0 -G -J, 00:02:16.659 --> 00:02:19.500 is going to talk about his 100 % software -defined 00:02:19.500 --> 00:02:22.840 radios in his shack, and also his DeXpedition 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:26.280 experiences. We will take your calls live in 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:29.780 just a few minutes. Last week on the show, Will 00:02:29.780 --> 00:02:33.900 Jourdain, AA4WJ, and Jim Wilson, K5ND, were here 00:02:33.900 --> 00:02:37.379 to talk about scouting with Ham Radio. If you 00:02:37.379 --> 00:02:39.639 missed the show, you can listen anytime. All 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:42.590 you have to do is go to hamtalklive .com. You 00:02:42.590 --> 00:02:45.509 can also catch us on iTunes, Stitcher, Google 00:02:45.509 --> 00:02:50.189 Play, TuneIn, SoundCloud, or even YouTube. 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Well tonight, 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:18.720 Glenn Johnson is with us and Glenn grew up near 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:22.399 Marshalltown, Iowa. After studying forestry at 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:26.699 Iowa State, he received his medical degree. from 00:06:26.699 --> 00:06:29.899 the University of Iowa after an internship in 00:06:29.899 --> 00:06:33.060 Seattle and residency in orthopedic surgery at 00:06:33.060 --> 00:06:36.779 the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota. He spent 00:06:36.779 --> 00:06:39.420 five years in the Air Force in Anchorage, Alaska 00:06:39.420 --> 00:06:43.819 and moved or returned rather to practice orthopedic 00:06:43.819 --> 00:06:46.879 surgery in Minnesota and after 30 some years 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:50.720 he's gone full circle. He's back in Iowa working 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:54.779 for the Mayo Clinic. Glenn's interest in amateur 00:06:54.779 --> 00:06:58.089 radio started As a youngster listening to his 00:06:58.089 --> 00:07:01.430 grandfather's shortwave radio, he was licensed 00:07:01.430 --> 00:07:03.910 at age 15 and within three months had worked 00:07:03.910 --> 00:07:08.230 all 50 states with a homemade crystal transmitter. 00:07:08.889 --> 00:07:11.730 He's achieved the number one honor roll, the 00:07:11.730 --> 00:07:14.870 five band DXCC and five band worked all zone 00:07:14.870 --> 00:07:19.110 awards. And he has co -led major de -expeditions 00:07:19.110 --> 00:07:21.850 to places like the kingdom of Bhutan and the 00:07:21.850 --> 00:07:28.060 Himalayas. I hope I said that right, in the Arabian 00:07:28.060 --> 00:07:32.779 Sea, the Senchio Island and Navassa Island and 00:07:32.779 --> 00:07:35.860 his first the expedition was to Heard Island. 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:40.680 He's also been to Malpello and recently Palmyra. 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:44.240 In 2003 Glenn was inducted into the CQ magazine 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:48.199 amateur radio Hall of Fame and in 2012 he was 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:51.620 inducted into the DX Hall of Fame. He's been 00:07:51.620 --> 00:07:54.639 vice president of the Northern California DX 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:58.379 Foundation for the past four years. And he's 00:07:58.379 --> 00:08:02.800 also an ARRL contest advisory committee member 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:06.060 representing the Midwest Division. Glenn, welcome 00:08:06.060 --> 00:08:11.079 to HamTalk Live. Hi, Neil. Glad to be here. Yeah, 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:14.139 glad you could join us tonight. And we want to 00:08:14.139 --> 00:08:18.040 start off first talking about your shack. You 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:22.699 made a decision. that may not be always the most 00:08:22.699 --> 00:08:26.620 popular decision, but you made a decision to 00:08:26.620 --> 00:08:31.779 turn your Shack 100 % software -defined radio. 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:36.620 So what led you to that decision to make that 00:08:36.620 --> 00:08:40.559 switch? Well, several years ago, three or four 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:44.330 years ago, we moved from the very northwest corner 00:08:44.330 --> 00:08:47.750 of Minnesota to the very northeast corner of 00:08:47.750 --> 00:08:50.110 Iowa, where I live now, near Decorah, Iowa, home 00:08:50.110 --> 00:08:52.929 of Luther College. And I spent three or four 00:08:52.929 --> 00:08:56.590 years designing a contest station. We found a 00:08:56.590 --> 00:09:02.409 QTH 70 acres on the hilltop with just a perfect 00:09:02.409 --> 00:09:05.970 takeoff angle in every direction. And when the 00:09:05.970 --> 00:09:08.690 house became available, we moved in and we put 00:09:08.690 --> 00:09:10.809 up antennas, got everything done within a year. 00:09:11.019 --> 00:09:15.799 And my goal was to minimize the complexity, maximize 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:18.320 the efficiency, and make things really flexible. 00:09:18.820 --> 00:09:21.019 And antennas were the most important. I had some 00:09:21.019 --> 00:09:25.179 big antennas, some full -size phase verticals 00:09:25.179 --> 00:09:28.759 for 160, a full -size meter four square, some 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:32.799 model banders for 30 and 40 meters, and stack 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:35.679 steppers for the other bands on two rotating 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:39.179 towers. And I do like to contest. And when you 00:09:39.179 --> 00:09:42.519 have good antennas, Many times you hear life 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:45.259 is too short for QRP, but we have good answers 00:09:45.259 --> 00:09:49.220 in the contest. It is a lot of fun. A couple 00:09:49.220 --> 00:09:54.080 years ago at Dayton, I bought a Flex 1500 QRP 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:57.299 rig. I brought that home and it sat on the desk 00:09:57.299 --> 00:10:00.720 for a while because it was the summer and when 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:03.440 fall came around, I plugged it in and I could 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:07.039 not believe how good that little radio worked. 00:10:07.859 --> 00:10:10.580 as far as I received those. And so then I researched 00:10:10.580 --> 00:10:16.100 the new 6000 series, and it was almost a no -brainer 00:10:16.100 --> 00:10:20.299 to go with the 6700 for contesting. I did a complete 00:10:20.299 --> 00:10:23.340 rebuild of my station. I took everything out. 00:10:24.100 --> 00:10:26.440 For everything out, started over from scratch. 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:30.620 And with the 6700, there's very few cables. I 00:10:30.620 --> 00:10:34.659 had a big tub of cables that were left over from 00:10:34.659 --> 00:10:37.779 all the other interconnecting radios. You could 00:10:37.779 --> 00:10:40.899 see all the wires that are in wireless. I mean, 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:43.679 it's amazing how you add one thing and add another 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:47.620 and it just keeps building. Anyway, the flex 00:10:47.620 --> 00:10:51.480 is really simple, very easy to set up. There's 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:53.899 no cables now for most things because it uses 00:10:53.899 --> 00:10:57.980 this digital audio exchange. So everything is 00:10:57.980 --> 00:11:01.840 digital. There's no place for RF or loops to 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:05.009 develop or anything like that. The nice thing 00:11:05.009 --> 00:11:07.570 about the Fluxrader, you're immersed into the 00:11:07.570 --> 00:11:10.230 bands with big computer monitors, and even with 00:11:10.230 --> 00:11:12.570 the Maestro, you can see so much of the spectrum. 00:11:13.129 --> 00:11:15.929 In fact, you can see where the MUF is. Anyway, 00:11:15.990 --> 00:11:20.970 my desk now has one big large area of desk space, 00:11:20.970 --> 00:11:25.029 and I have three large 4K monitors that I use 00:11:25.029 --> 00:11:28.909 for DXing and contexting. And it is an incredible 00:11:28.909 --> 00:11:32.690 visual experience. Now, my shack isn't all SDR. 00:11:33.870 --> 00:11:37.509 I've been a ham for 51 years and it just happened 00:11:37.509 --> 00:11:42.029 to be at my 50th ham birthday last year that 00:11:42.029 --> 00:11:45.110 I came across in a state sale. And I'd always 00:11:45.110 --> 00:11:47.950 drooled over Collins equipment as a kid. I could 00:11:47.950 --> 00:11:50.769 never afford it. And I found at an estate sale 00:11:50.769 --> 00:11:53.990 an S -line and I play with that almost every 00:11:53.990 --> 00:11:57.750 day too. But that's just an aside. But anyway, 00:11:58.750 --> 00:12:03.500 the flex radio is an amazing radio. If you Google 00:12:03.500 --> 00:12:07.539 November 4 Hotel Yankee, November 4 Hotel Yankee 00:12:07.539 --> 00:12:12.080 and Flex Radio, he gave a talk recently at the 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:16.200 Frankfurt Radio Club, and Bob McGuire tells how 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:21.059 the Flex works. Basically the radio is not really 00:12:21.059 --> 00:12:25.379 a radio as we know it because it's not a superheterodyne. 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:29.450 All the radios that since Edwin Armstrong invented 00:12:29.450 --> 00:12:32.590 the superheterodyne 100 years ago. It had been 00:12:32.590 --> 00:12:34.649 variants of superheterodynes. But this is totally 00:12:34.649 --> 00:12:37.110 different. The radio is actually more of a client 00:12:37.110 --> 00:12:41.110 server. And it measures voltage. In fact, the 00:12:41.110 --> 00:12:45.309 only filter that the radio has is the antenna 00:12:45.309 --> 00:12:51.590 that inputs to the box. But the 6700 measures 00:12:51.590 --> 00:12:55.909 voltage through the entire HF spectrum and above, 00:12:56.110 --> 00:13:00.080 up to the HF. in what are called bins of 1 .3 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:04.600 Hertz at a rate of 4 gigabytes. And then initially, 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:09.100 all of this analog voltage is converted to numbers, 00:13:09.539 --> 00:13:12.200 and it's manipulated with mathematics. And so 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:14.200 there's no oscillator for phase noise, there's 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:17.019 no conversions, no mixers, no filters, there's 00:13:17.019 --> 00:13:20.139 no distortion because of that. There's an extreme 00:13:20.139 --> 00:13:22.460 dynamic range. In fact, it's more than can be 00:13:22.460 --> 00:13:27.080 used. It exceeds reality. And the noise blankers 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:29.879 work incredibly well. In fact, one of my friends 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:33.639 borrowed a flex radio during the recent Heard 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:36.039 Island De -Expedition and he could not hear them 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:37.899 and hence couldn't work them. He borrowed the 00:13:37.899 --> 00:13:40.919 flex radio and he heard them and worked them. 00:13:41.059 --> 00:13:43.960 And he didn't realize how much noise he had in 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:47.679 the shack until he used the flex radio. And if 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:50.460 you'd like to see a picture of this, we do have 00:13:50.460 --> 00:13:53.549 one on our Facebook page and Twitter feed. If 00:13:53.549 --> 00:13:56.730 you go to QRZ .com and search Glenn's call sign 00:13:56.730 --> 00:14:00.049 W0GJ, you've got all kinds of pictures of all 00:14:00.049 --> 00:14:05.350 this up there, too. And the only limitation, 00:14:05.590 --> 00:14:07.629 the limiting factor of this radio is the imagination 00:14:07.629 --> 00:14:12.350 of the programmers that make the software for 00:14:12.350 --> 00:14:18.129 it. Yeah, it seems like the possibilities are 00:14:18.129 --> 00:14:22.720 endless with this. It's just so easy to be able 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:25.960 to take a look at the whole spectrum and just 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:29.399 You know click on whatever part you want and 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:35.039 listen so It's a it's a great thing and becoming 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:39.840 more and more popular as we go so is there anything 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:43.519 you miss about the the old Collins gear and the 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:48.860 traditional super heterodyne rigs and Well, initially 00:14:48.860 --> 00:14:52.500 there was a lot of angst because of no knobs. 00:14:53.139 --> 00:14:57.480 I mean, really, I remember as a kid, you know, 00:14:57.639 --> 00:14:59.519 dreaming about radios, you'd count the knobs 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:01.539 and the buttons and switches and you'd think 00:15:01.539 --> 00:15:03.759 one of the most would be the bestest, you know, 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:06.159 but it's not always that. You know, there's really, 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:11.720 I have one knob for my, when I'm looking at the 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:13.720 computer screen, and that's just the flex control, 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:16.789 it's a knob, it's a VFO. and a couple other functions. 00:15:17.669 --> 00:15:20.669 And I only have a program for volume control 00:15:20.669 --> 00:15:22.990 and a VFO. And when you think about it, when 00:15:22.990 --> 00:15:26.730 you play with your radio, 98 % of the time, you're 00:15:26.730 --> 00:15:28.909 either using the VFO or the volume control, and 00:15:28.909 --> 00:15:30.710 very rarely something else once you have it set 00:15:30.710 --> 00:15:34.690 up. And as the compulsive surgeon that I am, 00:15:34.809 --> 00:15:36.309 I printed out the manual, and I went through 00:15:36.309 --> 00:15:40.629 it page by page. And I really didn't need to 00:15:40.629 --> 00:15:43.009 do that, because it's so logical and so easy 00:15:43.009 --> 00:15:46.320 to learn. And it's very ergonomic how things 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:48.639 are set up on the screen. And even with the Maestro, 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:53.659 the Maestro, which is the interface, is very 00:15:53.659 --> 00:15:55.480 intuitive. There's very few knobs and buttons 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:59.820 on it, but just the essentials. And the platform 00:15:59.820 --> 00:16:04.059 is anything. It will work on PCs, on Macs, iPads. 00:16:04.460 --> 00:16:08.279 I even have an app on my iPhone so I can use 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:12.779 my station for my iPhone. with the maestro you 00:16:12.779 --> 00:16:15.639 can cat 5 cable will plug into the radio and 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:17.320 you don't even need a computer and you'll you 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:20.220 can use the maestro as a complete interface but 00:16:20.220 --> 00:16:23.360 the maestro is wireless um you can use it all 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:26.940 over the house and in fact if you're in a working 00:16:26.940 --> 00:16:29.480 dx you can take your maestro to the dinner table 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:32.480 while uh if your wife gets you know your mileage 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:35.340 may vary with your family but uh you know you 00:16:35.340 --> 00:16:39.240 can do that if you want yeah oh that sounds great 00:16:39.549 --> 00:16:44.750 So what are you most glad to see disappear in 00:16:44.750 --> 00:16:48.629 this switch? Would it be all the cables or what 00:16:48.629 --> 00:16:54.289 were you glad to see go away? So simplicity is 00:16:54.289 --> 00:16:57.470 the word for it. It's very easy to set up. There's 00:16:57.470 --> 00:17:01.659 very few cables and everything is software you 00:17:01.659 --> 00:17:04.559 know like the ready decoding programs all the 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:07.460 contest software almost all the logging programs 00:17:07.460 --> 00:17:13.059 now interface with the flex series and it's the 00:17:13.059 --> 00:17:16.240 ultimate beauty of this will be toward the end 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:19.160 of this year fourth quarter when version two 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:22.799 comes out which will be complete you know remote 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:25.700 from anywhere in the world with your maestro 00:17:25.700 --> 00:17:29.400 or computer when you load up the software Basically, 00:17:30.019 --> 00:17:32.700 every computer in your house becomes a flexed 00:17:32.700 --> 00:17:36.859 radio. Every laptop, every computer can access 00:17:36.859 --> 00:17:41.119 the radio and be a flexed radio. And when it's 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:44.660 remote, right now, you can remote with VPN. You 00:17:44.660 --> 00:17:46.740 got to jump through some hoops to do that. But 00:17:46.740 --> 00:17:48.819 in the future, by the end of this year, when 00:17:48.819 --> 00:17:51.480 version two comes out, it's going to be remote 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:55.819 from anywhere in the world. There's a company... 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:59.079 in Montenegro, four Oscar III Alpha products, 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:05.619 403A. He has a genius line of equipment. And 00:18:05.619 --> 00:18:08.740 right now I have the antenna genius. And there's 00:18:08.740 --> 00:18:11.599 two outputs on my 6700 that goes with the two 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:15.859 inputs. I can select either output for one of 00:18:15.859 --> 00:18:19.359 16 antennas. It will also control several relays 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:22.019 to control things in the shack, like worst wears 00:18:22.019 --> 00:18:26.140 and beverages and things like that. There's other 00:18:26.140 --> 00:18:28.019 things that I don't have. There's a rotor genius, 00:18:28.359 --> 00:18:31.299 actually a little gizmo that hits on the boom 00:18:31.299 --> 00:18:35.700 on your antenna. So when you're remote, you know 00:18:35.700 --> 00:18:38.799 exactly where that beam is pointing. So if you 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:41.839 lose power or lose calibration of your rotor, 00:18:43.019 --> 00:18:45.039 that's not a point because you know exactly where 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:46.740 it's pointing with this stuff. And also there's 00:18:46.740 --> 00:18:49.660 a new amplifier that's coming out by the end 00:18:49.660 --> 00:18:51.240 of this year, maybe early next year, at least 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:53.759 by date and time next year. That will be a full 00:18:53.759 --> 00:18:56.539 one and a half kilowatts that will follow the 00:18:56.539 --> 00:18:59.240 flex radios. It's designed for remote and all 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:02.359 these radios that only besides the antennas and 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.579 the power and maybe the keen mic and headset 00:19:04.579 --> 00:19:09.359 line is a Cat 5 cable to your router. That's 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:12.099 all there is for cabling. It's very, very simple 00:19:12.099 --> 00:19:18.579 and easy to set up. Well, let's turn this to 00:19:18.579 --> 00:19:21.059 some of the de -expeditions you've been on. You've 00:19:21.059 --> 00:19:24.920 been on some of these big de -expeditions. What 00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:27.619 do you think about the the SDRs on those? Do 00:19:27.619 --> 00:19:32.859 you prefer using the SDRs or do you like everything 00:19:32.859 --> 00:19:36.359 in in one little box? Well as far as I know in 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:39.140 all of history, which is one de -expedition, 00:19:39.299 --> 00:19:43.880 that was Palmyra, we used we had two 6500s like 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:48.220 6500s and two Maestro's and we had some other 00:19:48.220 --> 00:19:52.440 radios there and we actually ended up fighting 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:54.420 over who was going to use the flex radials when 00:19:54.420 --> 00:19:57.160 our shift came up because the noise mitigation 00:19:57.160 --> 00:20:00.920 and just the superior quality and ease of use, 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:04.519 we really like that. Just a couple weeks ago 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:09.039 at field day, I had a big power supply and three 00:20:09.039 --> 00:20:10.880 flex radials. We just put them in the corner. 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:13.099 We stacked them on top of one another, connected 00:20:13.099 --> 00:20:16.440 all the antennas to the back of them. And then 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:19.920 in the room, we had three stations, three maestros. 00:20:20.299 --> 00:20:23.039 And they were all connected wirelessly to these 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:26.519 radios. The only two cables we had on our little 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:29.359 tables that we operated from were power supply 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:31.240 cables for the Maestro and for the computer. 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:33.359 And that was it, everything else. I mean, it 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:36.940 makes it so simple. And it will really simplify 00:20:36.940 --> 00:20:39.740 the logistics of the expedition and all the wiring. 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:42.539 It's really going to make a difference. And I 00:20:42.539 --> 00:20:46.910 foresee that this is going to... Something like 00:20:46.910 --> 00:20:48.990 this if not the flex radios will be the standard 00:20:48.990 --> 00:20:52.890 for the expeditions in the very very near future 00:20:52.890 --> 00:20:56.029 Well, why don't you tell us about some of these 00:20:56.029 --> 00:21:00.789 we mentioned Some of the big the expeditions 00:21:00.789 --> 00:21:04.490 that you've been on Why don't you share a story 00:21:04.490 --> 00:21:08.250 or two about? some of those the expeditions with 00:21:08.250 --> 00:21:12.910 us Well, you know my very first the expedition 00:21:12.910 --> 00:21:15.930 was the 1997 one to herd island and that was 00:21:15.869 --> 00:21:18.569 That was an experience because it was a big de 00:21:18.569 --> 00:21:23.970 -expedition, it was remote, and that was a challenge. 00:21:24.009 --> 00:21:26.730 It was really a good team, and it was quite an 00:21:26.730 --> 00:21:30.910 experience. One of my favorite ones, and I think 00:21:30.910 --> 00:21:35.230 all of the guys that went to the Kingdom of Bhutan 00:21:35.230 --> 00:21:39.490 in 2000 for the A5 -2A de -expedition, still 00:21:39.490 --> 00:21:42.109 consider that one of their absolute highlights. 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:45.660 It was, at the time, it was number two most wanted 00:21:45.660 --> 00:21:48.559 behind North Korea, which is still number one. 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:52.880 And I have worked for orthopedics overseas for 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:55.779 many years, which is equivalent basically like 00:21:55.779 --> 00:21:57.660 Doctors Without Borders, but for my specialty. 00:21:59.099 --> 00:22:01.819 And I've been to Bukhan many times. My family 00:22:01.819 --> 00:22:04.480 has lived over there. We homeschool our kids 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:06.660 and we did homeschooling over there. So it was 00:22:06.660 --> 00:22:10.630 a good time. But anyway, in 2000, The Ministry 00:22:10.630 --> 00:22:15.029 of Communication changed the regulations and 00:22:15.029 --> 00:22:20.309 they invited us for the expedition. We were there 00:22:20.309 --> 00:22:24.809 for 12 days and we made 82 ,000 contacts with 00:22:24.809 --> 00:22:26.930 only 100 watts. I think that's the expedition 00:22:26.930 --> 00:22:29.069 record that still stands today because we weren't 00:22:29.069 --> 00:22:32.549 allowed to use amplifiers. But Bhutan is a very 00:22:32.549 --> 00:22:35.970 remote place. We've heard of chamber law. That's 00:22:35.970 --> 00:22:39.519 really the description of It's up in the Himalayas, 00:22:39.539 --> 00:22:43.099 beautiful people, beautiful culture, and it's 00:22:43.099 --> 00:22:48.279 an amazing place. I've kept in contact with many 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:53.279 hams there. In fact, one family sent a son over 00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:55.559 to live with us for a year as an exchange student, 00:22:55.859 --> 00:22:58.420 and I'm looking forward to going back again. 00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:02.799 Another interesting story was Navassa Island. 00:23:05.130 --> 00:23:07.710 12 or 13 years to get permission to go. So we 00:23:07.710 --> 00:23:11.849 spent a lot of time getting there, just like 00:23:11.849 --> 00:23:14.509 we did this at Chao. But when we were there, 00:23:15.470 --> 00:23:21.230 it's near Haiti, and the Haitian fishermen are 00:23:21.230 --> 00:23:23.549 there just trying to eke out an existence. It's 00:23:23.549 --> 00:23:25.450 a very dangerous life. I'm sure many of them 00:23:25.450 --> 00:23:28.950 never get home if there's a storm. And just trying 00:23:28.950 --> 00:23:32.230 to feed their families and to survive is heartbreaking. 00:23:32.329 --> 00:23:34.670 When we left, We gave them all of our surplus 00:23:34.670 --> 00:23:38.309 food and water and all of our supplies. We literally 00:23:38.309 --> 00:23:40.230 gave them the shirts and hats off our backs. 00:23:41.029 --> 00:23:44.269 And we really made their day. And it was really 00:23:44.269 --> 00:23:47.829 a very good feeling to do something positive 00:23:47.829 --> 00:23:50.450 for these guys. They really appreciate it. Even 00:23:50.450 --> 00:23:52.630 though we had a total language barrier, you could 00:23:52.630 --> 00:23:56.150 tell they were just in tears with appreciation. 00:23:58.609 --> 00:24:01.369 Yeah, that sounds like some some great adventures 00:24:01.369 --> 00:24:05.089 and we can talk about those a little bit more 00:24:05.089 --> 00:24:07.990 when we come back. 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Give us a call and we 00:26:41.420 --> 00:26:45.000 will pass this question over to Glen and then 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:48.619 if you want to ask him about the flex radios, 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:50.880 the software -defined radios, or some of the 00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:54.839 de -expeditions, why give us a call or you can 00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:59.019 tweet us at HamTalk Live and ask about those. 00:26:59.859 --> 00:27:02.240 So while we're waiting for the calls to come 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:06.640 in here, Glenn, why don't you tell us about your 00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:11.059 exciting plans coming up for a future de -expedition? 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:16.059 Well, the big one is at least a year and a half 00:27:16.089 --> 00:27:19.190 uh... short two years away that's uh... uh... 00:27:19.190 --> 00:27:21.250 number two on the most one of those which is 00:27:21.250 --> 00:27:26.529 currently will be uh... ralph keys are are announced 00:27:26.529 --> 00:27:30.150 the last month a major the expedition is going 00:27:30.150 --> 00:27:33.089 to take place uh... at that time and then they 00:27:33.089 --> 00:27:36.509 told jolly the captain owner of the great heart 00:27:36.509 --> 00:27:39.309 in fact you just got uh... like to do the dex 00:27:39.309 --> 00:27:43.950 hall of fame at the end of in the main has a 00:27:43.950 --> 00:27:46.450 bigger ship and with that ship We're going to 00:27:46.450 --> 00:27:49.349 take a helicopter and crew. It'll be 20 of us. 00:27:49.349 --> 00:27:51.849 We'll be gone away from home a couple months. 00:27:53.269 --> 00:27:56.569 Bouvet is not too far away from South Sandwich 00:27:56.569 --> 00:27:59.230 Island. It's to the east of South Sandwich, which 00:27:59.230 --> 00:28:01.630 has the most miserable weather on the planet. 00:28:01.710 --> 00:28:04.230 You can ask any of the recent BP8 guys who are 00:28:04.230 --> 00:28:06.309 there, and they will tell you that they actually 00:28:06.309 --> 00:28:08.450 had to evacuate from the bad weather because 00:28:08.450 --> 00:28:11.650 of the bad weather. But Bouvet is surrounded 00:28:11.650 --> 00:28:14.819 by cliffs. It takes a helicopter landing. We 00:28:14.819 --> 00:28:17.059 set up on a glacier, just kind of like what was 00:28:17.059 --> 00:28:20.559 done on Peter 1. Landing permission has been 00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:23.519 granted. A call sign has been issued. The website 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:27.319 is just about done. It will be released here 00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:30.700 just in the next week or two. This is going to 00:28:30.700 --> 00:28:33.539 be a very challenging operation. And it's probably 00:28:33.539 --> 00:28:35.680 going to be one of the most expensive ones in 00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:38.859 a long time, just because of the logistics, its 00:28:38.859 --> 00:28:42.029 remoteness. Bouvet is said to be one of the most 00:28:42.029 --> 00:28:45.390 remote locations on the face of the earth. And 00:28:45.390 --> 00:28:48.549 just with the helicopter and the cost, it's going 00:28:48.549 --> 00:28:51.609 to be a challenge, not just logistically, but 00:28:51.609 --> 00:28:57.029 financially too. And so I'm sure you'll have 00:28:57.029 --> 00:29:00.269 some links on there to help donate toward that 00:29:00.269 --> 00:29:03.569 once the website is up. Well, you can count on 00:29:03.569 --> 00:29:11.430 that. death taxes and and and donate to our cause 00:29:11.430 --> 00:29:16.690 is that the sure things well that sounds like 00:29:16.690 --> 00:29:22.869 an adventurous adventurous expedition coming 00:29:22.869 --> 00:29:26.650 up so we'll have to stay tuned for that one eight 00:29:26.650 --> 00:29:30.369 one two net ham one is the number eight one two 00:29:30.369 --> 00:29:32.809 net ham one if you have a question and glenn 00:29:32.809 --> 00:29:36.150 go ahead i'm sorry and the bouvet is going to 00:29:36.150 --> 00:29:40.220 be an all flex operation We've already been working 00:29:40.220 --> 00:29:42.319 on the logistics of that, and that's going to 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:45.680 be an all flex radio operation. So we won't have 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.619 to fight over who gets to use it? We won't have 00:29:48.619 --> 00:29:57.039 to fight over the radios. All right. 812 net 00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:02.519 ham1 or tweet us at hamtalklive or give us a 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:07.930 call on Skype at hamtalklive. What advice would 00:30:07.930 --> 00:30:10.170 you give for people on the other end, the people 00:30:10.170 --> 00:30:13.230 who are trying to work you on these de -expeditions? 00:30:13.890 --> 00:30:17.910 What advice would you give them to get through? 00:30:19.369 --> 00:30:23.089 Well, there's two principles. Number one, the 00:30:23.089 --> 00:30:26.369 de -expedition is trying to work as many stations 00:30:26.369 --> 00:30:29.390 as possible. They want to get as many people 00:30:29.390 --> 00:30:32.950 in the log as possible. And on the other end, 00:30:33.609 --> 00:30:37.119 the de -excer... is trying to get into the dExpeditions 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:44.119 log. And so being efficient and learning how 00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:49.059 to get into the log is the challenge. And my 00:30:49.059 --> 00:30:51.539 advice is to listen, listen, listen. When you 00:30:51.539 --> 00:30:53.700 get tired of listening, listen some more. Listen 00:30:53.700 --> 00:30:56.819 to the rhythm of the operator, the timing, the 00:30:56.819 --> 00:30:59.049 pattern. How does he come back to people? How 00:30:59.049 --> 00:31:01.089 does he tune? Does he always move up? Does he 00:31:01.089 --> 00:31:04.069 move down? Does he go up and then down? Is it 00:31:04.069 --> 00:31:08.230 random? How does he tune? The more time you can 00:31:08.230 --> 00:31:10.710 spend listening to hear his pattern, you'll figure 00:31:10.710 --> 00:31:13.809 it out. And you can, if you figure his pattern 00:31:13.809 --> 00:31:17.190 out, you know exactly where you can plant yourself 00:31:17.190 --> 00:31:22.329 and be heard. And we get notes, a lot of feedback 00:31:22.329 --> 00:31:25.609 after the expeditions, and it's amazing the number 00:31:25.609 --> 00:31:30.819 of QRP signals, QRP stations, indoor antennas 00:31:30.819 --> 00:31:34.740 who say, I found your pattern and I was there 00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:38.799 when you tuned and you heard me. Or I was just 00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:41.119 off the edge of the pileup and you heard me. 00:31:41.619 --> 00:31:46.599 And if we say listing up five to 10, 70 % of 00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:49.039 the pileup is going to be five up and 30 % is 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.630 going to be 10 up. So go in between. where there's 00:31:52.630 --> 00:31:55.390 nobody else. That's the easiest way to get into 00:31:55.390 --> 00:32:00.309 the dExpeditions log. Some great tips there for 00:32:00.309 --> 00:32:04.609 working those dExpeditions. And if you have a 00:32:04.609 --> 00:32:07.869 question about that, give us a call, 812 -NAT 00:32:07.869 --> 00:32:11.710 -HAM -1, or you can tweet us or give us a call 00:32:11.710 --> 00:32:16.450 on Skype. It's HamTalk Live on either one of 00:32:16.450 --> 00:32:24.200 those. Your most recent trip was to Palmyra and 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:29.980 We had Craig Thompson on the show earlier and 00:32:29.980 --> 00:32:32.539 We heard that the accommodations were better 00:32:32.539 --> 00:32:34.500 than most so tell us a little bit about your 00:32:34.500 --> 00:32:40.980 experiences with Palmyra Paradise that's the 00:32:40.980 --> 00:32:43.400 easiest way to describe what I got off the plane 00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:48.869 It was like I've landed And the closest thing 00:32:48.869 --> 00:32:51.589 to heaven. I mean it was it was just paradise 00:32:51.589 --> 00:32:54.690 I mean it was really oh yeah, I can rain pretty 00:32:54.690 --> 00:32:57.670 hard You know sometimes several inches a day, 00:32:57.890 --> 00:33:01.430 but when it's not raining it is paradise The 00:33:01.430 --> 00:33:03.930 problem is that everybody can go there. It's 00:33:03.930 --> 00:33:06.970 very restricted and we were there because it 00:33:06.970 --> 00:33:11.890 was the off season they have three quarters of 00:33:11.890 --> 00:33:14.730 intense research activity and then one quarter 00:33:15.049 --> 00:33:18.250 in this case, December, January, February, is 00:33:18.250 --> 00:33:20.450 their maintenance season. They have a maintenance 00:33:20.450 --> 00:33:23.849 crew there of about a half a dozen guys. We were 00:33:23.849 --> 00:33:29.710 there during the lull for two weeks. We helped 00:33:29.710 --> 00:33:31.470 out with the chores and helped with some of their 00:33:31.470 --> 00:33:41.650 work. I've been to Antarctica. I've been to Malpelo, 00:33:41.670 --> 00:33:43.869 which is probably the hottest place on the planet. 00:33:44.950 --> 00:33:48.390 Hard places really challenging places and now 00:33:48.390 --> 00:33:50.190 I've been to paradise so I can say I've been 00:33:50.190 --> 00:33:55.210 everywhere Now if you had to choose between the 00:33:55.210 --> 00:34:00.369 hot and the cold Which one for the expedition 00:34:00.369 --> 00:34:05.269 I could live in I could live in Palmyra so But 00:34:05.269 --> 00:34:08.230 that's not an option, but if I had a choice that 00:34:08.230 --> 00:34:10.269 would be my favorite favorite place to do with 00:34:10.269 --> 00:34:16.519 the expedition again Very good 812 net ham one 00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:22.539 if you have questions for W zero gj 812 net ham 00:34:22.539 --> 00:34:33.440 one or tweet us at ham talk live So as you Plan 00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:35.780 out this this nudie expedition and you're going 00:34:35.780 --> 00:34:41.679 to go all all flex do you anticipate that they'll 00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:46.710 be Anyone that will say, Oh, wait a minute. Why 00:34:46.710 --> 00:34:52.889 aren't we using this brand or that brand? I think 00:34:52.889 --> 00:34:55.530 most of us, um, at least have played with it. 00:34:55.530 --> 00:34:58.429 And, um, there were some guys that were on. Oh, 00:34:58.510 --> 00:35:01.869 Myra that are going to Blu Bay, but it is, you 00:35:01.869 --> 00:35:05.530 know, and I go on, I've been on various expeditions 00:35:05.530 --> 00:35:08.030 and we've used all different brands of radios 00:35:08.030 --> 00:35:13.900 and you know, When we're on a de -expedition, 00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:17.719 we just put our nose to the grindstone and work 00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:20.519 the X. And we make the best of whatever radio 00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:24.239 that is there. And sometimes there's some quirks 00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:29.139 to some of them. Sometimes some are prone to 00:35:29.139 --> 00:35:31.719 interstation interference. The nice thing about 00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:36.199 the Flex, even with high power, you can work 00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:40.710 three modes on one band at the same time. There's 00:35:40.710 --> 00:35:43.670 no interference or descents like there is with 00:35:43.670 --> 00:35:48.250 superheterodyne radios. The mathematics see the 00:35:48.250 --> 00:35:51.510 strong nearby signals as noise and eliminate 00:35:51.510 --> 00:35:57.329 it before it's even decoded as a signal. So you 00:35:57.329 --> 00:36:01.809 can even do high power SO2R on one band if you 00:36:01.809 --> 00:36:04.650 have two different antennas for the same band 00:36:04.650 --> 00:36:11.139 and enough separation. It's it is not your father's 00:36:11.139 --> 00:36:16.480 super hit a dying radio Very good, very good. 00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:20.579 Well, we wish you well on this the expedition 00:36:20.579 --> 00:36:24.159 coming up especially the one you mentioned here, 00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:27.500 but all of those and and we thank you so much 00:36:27.500 --> 00:36:32.090 for coming on the show to talk about the SDRs 00:36:32.090 --> 00:36:35.829 and all your experiences and congratulations 00:36:35.829 --> 00:36:40.769 on all your work and best of luck in the adventures 00:36:40.769 --> 00:36:44.429 coming up. Thank you very much, Neil. I've really 00:36:44.429 --> 00:36:48.670 enjoyed chatting with you. All right. Well, thank 00:36:48.670 --> 00:36:52.230 you everybody. That is a wrap for this week's 00:36:52.230 --> 00:36:55.630 edition of Amtok Live. I'd like to thank my guest, 00:36:55.789 --> 00:36:58.750 Glenn Johnson, W -0 -G -J, and all the callers 00:36:58.750 --> 00:37:01.690 and listeners out there in cyberspace, and invite 00:37:01.690 --> 00:37:04.530 you back next Thursday night at 9 p .m. Eastern 00:37:04.530 --> 00:37:07.989 Time when Nathan Nixon, N -7 -N -A -N, will be 00:37:07.989 --> 00:37:11.070 here to talk about the National Tribal Amateur 00:37:11.070 --> 00:37:14.389 Radio Association, which promotes ham radio with 00:37:14.389 --> 00:37:17.530 Native American tribes. For a list of all of 00:37:17.530 --> 00:37:20.489 our upcoming guests, visit hamtalklive .com. 00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:24.400 So for now, this is Neil Rapp, WB9VPG, saying 00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:29.460 7 -3, 7 -5, and may the good DX be yours.