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Holtzfeld, NV9L, is originally from Wisconsin
and now resides in Illinois. Val is a co -host
for the wildly successful video podcast, Hamination,
on Twitch TV, where she usually contributes information
about DXing and contesting. And Val is a numbers
kind of gal, so at Contest University this year
at Dayton, she gave a talk and a question and
answer session about log analysis. Valerie is
one of the most noted YLs in the hobby and spends
most of her weekends on the air working contests
along with her fiance Jerry WB9Z. She is a member
of many DX and contesting clubs and an ARRL volunteer
examiner. She's also been the North American
pilot station for Amsterdam Island, FT5ZM in
2014, Wake Island, K9W in 2013, and Swains Island
NH8S in 2012. Besides her ham radio obsession,
she enjoys camping, traveling, hiking, fishing,
bowling, gardening, and baking. That sounds like
an awful lot, Val. Thanks for coming on HamTalk
Live tonight. Yeah, I forgot to add basket weaving
and no I was not underwater basket weaving for
teens, right? Yeah, you know what I was just
listening to you earlier and I have to go back
and listen to that Nathan The podcast where you
interviewed Nathan, because I don't know if a
lot of people know this, but I am an enrolled
tribal member of the Ponca Tribe of Nebraska.
So I am Native American. So that sounds like
a cool interview that you had last week. Yeah,
Nathan's done a lot of cool things with that.
And we've done some things with him over at Amateur
Radio Newsline. And so, yeah, that's a good one.
And kind of interesting to hear how he's getting
some of that EMCOM stuff going. with some of
the tribes. So hey tonight we want to talk some
DX and we want to get into the contest analysis
first but one of the things that I always ask
the people who you know put together these big
DXpeditions when they come on the show or whatever
is is what their advice is if you're on the other
end and so I want to get your advice on you know
if you want to get that DXpedition in the log
What are your top suggestions on making sure
he or she is successful in doing that? Well,
my strategy was when I just had 100 watts in
a simple station and I was living on my own in
Wisconsin, I would get through. Well, of course,
I have the two DB game being a while, but I would
get through if I'd find a empty hole in the middle
somewhere. But when I was talking to Jerry, who's
been on many. the expeditions, most of them in
the top 10 as rarity goes. He says always go
to the top of the pile or the top of the pile.
So like if they're listening on 240 through 250,
you want to hang up near 250 or just a tad above
to get through. And you know what? Day one is
crazy. That's for the big guns. You know, you're
just going to drive yourself crazy. Although
you'd hate to not try on day one. Then all of
a sudden have bad weather come along and then
they pack up and go home. So it's kind of a catch
22, but I usually don't try on day one when,
when I just had my hundred Watts, I wait a couple
of days. Yeah, that, that does definitely help.
And, and one of the things that we found at the
school, that YL factor like you said you got
2dB just for that but but yeah you know if your
voice is a little bit different you know it helps
and some of my kids they like to go just a little
off frequency. Yeah I do that as well. Just so
they sound just a little bit different and of
course we've got a couple of YLs so we try to
get them on the station too but Don't I don't
zero beat a lot I do that intentionally as well
So even though I have a high voice It does make
a difference and I was on the other end when
I went to PJ six and boy I could hear the yls
come right through the top Yeah, yeah, it's easy
when I was like, you know six and seven They
would always think I was a while so I kind of
got the YL effect because my voice hadn't changed
yet and and so I could get through a lot easier
than than I do now so it let's let's just pretend
here for a minute and say all of a sudden tomorrow
they announce North Korea is on what are you
gonna do Everything I can I don't know Yeah,
I definitely need that one I want that one he
could be online tomorrow that's a possibility
because it hasn't been announced when and who
knows you know We didn't know when that Dom was
gonna be on when he was on before he was visiting
They're working out the plans to come back and
go on the air and who knew he was gonna be testing
like that So I know it's coming soon to a radio
near you yeah, so So get ready. Any other suggestions
on breaking through those pileups or getting
a de -expedition and log a favorite band or mode
you like or anything like that? Well, 20 meters,
that's your 20 and 40s are there. 20 meters for
sure. They're big money bands. So they're going
to usually have someone on that 24 -7. So you'll
eventually get through. And a lot of times at
the very end of their de -expeditions, they'll
ask, For people who haven't worked them at all
on any band, so they're looking for unique onlys,
you can usually get through on the first try
on those. Sometimes they're begging for callers
on that last day, especially if it's a big team
and propagation's been good. Although right now,
propagation isn't that good. Nope, you're right
there. Yeah, and it's looking like it's going
to get worse. Okay, well very good. Let's switch
gears here and talk a little bit about the log
analysis. That was one of the big things that
the kids that went to contest university were
looking for and I was looking forward to hearing
was your contest analysis because We started
playing around with that a little bit and started
taking a look at the logs and what kind of data
we could start pulling from that. And so we learned
a lot from that talk. So why don't you talk a
little bit to the listeners about when a contest
is over and you've got that log, what kind of
statistics are really useful for them to Go back
and try to improve on their score the next time
around Well, first off I'd start during the contest
because I think a really useful tool and makes
it a heck of a lot more fun is logging into the
CQ contest net Live server during your contest.
So you're gonna actually see a real horse race
in real time How you're doing with others in
your category and that's so easy to do If you
use N1MM, which a lot of US contesters use, and
you just go into your configuration, there's
actually a tab when you go into configuration
called score reporting. And you just have to
first go to cqcontest .net, register, which is
free. You'll need your call sign and come up
with a password. And then when you go into N1MM
on that score reporting tab under the configuration
menu, just put in your login. and which is your
call sign and your password and you're automatically
linked. you're in a live leaderboard as a contest
is going. And I think it's set up automatically
to report your score every three minutes in the
background. You don't even know what's going
on. And you can really glean a lot of data from
that because someone else in your category, you
can see what bands, how many cues everybody has
on each band. And you can see when they're moving
to 40 or they're moving to 15 or, you know, so
you can watch and get a lot of information while
the contest is going live and make your corrections.
than in there, so I really recommend that, and
it just makes it a lot more fun, really makes
it a lot more fun. But yeah, after the contest,
I think the best thing to do is you're gonna
get those emails, or you're gonna have to request
them. Some of you have to request them once the
scores are published. It's called the UBN, Unique,
Spusted, and Not in the Log Report, and I kind
of go through that and see how many mistakes
were made. because we do a lot of multi -operator
contests, so I look at who made the mistakes,
what times the mistakes were made. You give it
a little bit of a pass on 160. It's hard to work
some of those signals, but also when the contest
is over, I take my logs and I upload them to
Qscope. I love Qscope .org. uh... you get it
you can put a hundred of your log in hundred
contacts or you can put your whole login but
it'll only look at the first one hundred contacts
and you can get a little bit of analysis from
the those first one hundred you worked but if
you want to put in your full logs from your contest
you need to subscribe and it costs five dollars
so it's well worth it but they'll put in your
whole log give you full analysis uh... and really
i look at the times when errors were made uh...
to see if you know Maybe we want to add an operator
because we were a little short and everybody
was tired at four in the morning or you know
I just I mean there's different things you can
look at like that. So you're you're looking at
it mostly for fatigue and making mistakes. Fatigue
or did we not another good one too I look at
to see is log QSO That one's free and that uses
public log, so like CQ Worldwide is a public
log. You can compare your contest for the same
year with another call sign maybe that you lost.
that beat you out. And you can look at what they
did on each hour. And so you can help analyze,
hey, did I not change over to 15 meters soon
enough? Or did I miss this opening or that opening?
So you can kind of analyze a lot on what you've
done wrong in your strategy as well. Okay, very
good. And then If you were just looking at one
individual, you know, if you're looking at your
own or one of your your team members What kinds
of numbers do you look at you just look like
contacts per minute or then how do you Yeah,
I look I look at rate per minute make sure everybody
was giving good rate if not, then we know where
we can correct and Help them to get their rate
up Also, I will take all the, I look at all the
errors made when you get your UBN report. It
lists all the bad calls, busted call signs, bad
exchanges, the not in the logs. And I match up
to who the operator was at the time. And then
I divide it out by their contacts. So each person
gets their own individual error rate. And when
you get those UBNs, it's gonna give you the average
error rate. And you always want to make sure
that you're at least under the average rate.
You want a lower score than that. So keep that
average late. Like CQ Worldwide last year, I
think it was 3 .2%. So if you can get it under
3 .2%, you're doing better than the average contester
out there. We like to try and keep ours under
1 .5. That's our goal. And so we look at just,
I mean, there's all kinds of different factors.
So, not moving, you know, not, like you said,
being fatigued. Propagation was really bad. It
was really hard to pull out some weak signals.
We might have been better on another band, even
with a lower rate. Because some of these contests,
you don't just lose that contact. You'll lose
that contact plus two more. So, if it's really
hard to pull a signal out on that band, why are
we fighting so hard on that band when we're going
to have a high error rate? We could have moved
to another band where propagation might have
been better, but the rate would have been slower
and still been ahead. So I just just thought
of a question, too. This is one that that we
struggle with at school. What's your opinion
on? How long do you keep trying? You know, when
do you give up and move on? When when is it,
you know, you've spent so much time trying to
get this one that you've already lost two or
three. Yeah, well it depends if you've got a
pile up going. If you've been calling CQ till
you're blue and you hear someone faint, I'll
try and work them. But if you have a pile up
going, obviously you're gonna work the loud ones
off the top. But I'll work them, I'll try for
three times, is what I usually do. If I can't
pull them out after three times, then I'll say,
hey, sorry, I can't pull you out, oh man, come
back in maybe a half hour, it'll be better. And
then unfortunately sometimes right after that
you call CQTIP for 10 minutes. Exactly Murphy's
law. Exactly. Okay well you mentioned the Qscope
and some of these. What are some of the other
software packages and online tools that you can
use to generate these stats? Any others? You
know, there's probably more out there. These
are the only two that I really use. Qscope .org
is my favorite. They even have a mapping tool
so you can put all your QSOS in there and it'll
map it up on Google Earth and you see the earth
spinning while the lights, the little dots light
up on who you worked. It's kind of cool. There's
lots of cool tools but it gives the rate for
each operator on each hour. And logcuso .com
does that as well. It shows each contesting hour
and if you can compare with two other contests,
so it could be you in the last three years or
it could be you with two others in the same year,
you know, whatever you want to compare. And it's
a nice line chart and you can see the, you know,
where you We're under their line and where you
know where you can improve and hopefully beat
them out next year if that's your goal Yeah,
all right all great stuff So check those out
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HamTalk Live. You can also tweet your question
at HamTalk Live. Now, the first question that
came in a little earlier this evening is from
Dr. Scott Wright, KZeroMD, and he wants to know
your opinion on which one has the best receiver,
a Flex 6700 or your ICOM 7851. Well, hi Scott.
Thanks for the question. We have the Flex 6700,
but we just have not had it hooked up and are
using it just yet. It's ready to go, software's
downloaded, so unfortunately I cannot compare
the two. But I gotta tell you, I love the 7851.
On the low bands we were able to hear better
on the 7851 versus the K3S. So comparing those
two, the 7851 rocked. So I hope that answers
your question, Scott. Hopefully I'll be able
to make a comparison down the road. And Jerry
says hi, Scott. Yeah, very good. Yeah. Well,
I'm sure you'll look forward to that. Glenn Johnson
was on a couple of weeks ago and he put everything
SDR and he was just like, oh, it takes all the
noise out. It's the best thing ever. So I'll
be interested to see what you think about that
as well. Alright 812 net ham one is the phone
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go right ahead. I will answer your call here
while we're talking. So I mentioned North Korea
a while ago. So aside from that, what DXCC entity
would you like the most? Well, I need 21 more
to have them all. But I would have to say probably
Syria. You know, YK, if I get Syria then that
means ISIS is gone. Right? Yeah. I don't know.
I want North Korea though. Yeah. I want all of
them. I'll take all 21 of them. Yeah. I'll take
any of them. Troy is on the website actually.
W9KVR just down the road from you. One of our
sister schools, the Glenn Raymond School, W9GRS.
He says, you mentioned about when to call it
quits when running. How about when searching
for the mulch? Oh, when to stop? Okay. If it's
a huge pile up, you know, I'll come back sometimes,
but I'll try. maybe three minutes, because I
really don't want to mess with my search and
pounce rate, and I'll keep it, I'll put it on
my VFO, my VFOB, and then I'll go back and search
and pounce on A, and I'll just keep switching
back to that to see if, you know, and try one
call if I don't get through, you know, and I'll
just keep coming back. to it every now and then
but yeah usually uh if it's something like it's
a malt rare malt that i need i'll stick with
it for about three minutes three to five minutes
uh tops before i move on okay fair enough um
what is your favorite contest and why is it your
favorite contest you know what they're all fun
and unique in a way uh but i would i i like the
naqps everybody's on more even footing A lot
of these contests where you get more points for
work in Europe or outside of the continent, it's
really hard from here in the black hole to get
through that east coast wall of sound or the
west coast wall of sound over to Asia. A North
America contest is kind of nice in that respect
where it's pretty evenly matched. Yeah, so those
are good. And I always love WPX contest because
my call is, you know, envy is a unique prefix.
Yeah, not many of those. Yeah. One of the things
that I remember you're talking about the wall
of sound. One of the things I remember at contest
university, I think it was last year was we were
looking at the top 10 ways to improve your score.
And the number one answer was Move somewhere
else Nova Scotia would be nice. Yeah, yeah with
a double rldx or you know Yeah, any of those.
I mean I like them though the domestic contest
I think Yeah, okay. Yeah, Troy says thanks and
looking forward to working you and Jerry this
upcoming school year and And Glen Raymond School
is so close to us. Yeah, I have to come in and
visit them. Next time they're going to be on
the air for a contest, maybe we'll come by. Yeah,
Troy's been down to visit here at our school
before and we usually kind of pair up a little
bit and help each other out. So that'd be great.
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Live, if you have a question for Val on the log
analysis or the de -exing, the de -expeditions,
whatever you want to ask. Give us a call. If
you had to pick one contact that was your favorite
or one that you're just so glad that it was finally
over, what would that be? Well, you always fall
in love with your first so my first contact to
the Netherlands My first HF contact that was
kind of cool, but my absolute favorite of all
time was when I was in CQ worldwide sideband
It was like my third contest ever. I just started
contesting a few weekends earlier and I stumbled
on to WB 9 sets frequency because he was doing
10 meters only high power I was 10 meters only
low power and got to talk to him and We flirted
for a little bit and now we're engaged and yeah.
So that worked out well. Yes, it did. And he
was so good. And I like took 15 minutes out of
that. I was only searching and pouncing because
I was too terrified to run. So I took 15 minutes
away from my contest and I just sat there and
listened to him. And I was just so amazed. You
know, one of the things that happened at school
one time, which I won't mention any names because
I'll probably embarrass the kid to death, but
he emailed me and said, hey, I saw your picture
of your club in QST and I saw you had a lot of
girls in the club. And so he started asking about
one of the girls and it's like, yeah, I heard
her on the air. She sounded really good. I just
sat there and listened for a while. Yeah. That
happens. So while we're on the subject of YLs,
what are your thoughts about supporting YLs more
in the hobby? What are some things that we can
do to help that out and raise that percentage
up? Well, you know, when I lived in Milwaukee
area and I was before I got on HF and I was real
active in my local repeater club and I was pushing
to put a YL net on because we always had a fun
net, we had a computer net, we had a swap net,
you know, so it was a very active repeater and
so I wanted to put on a YL net where they could
talk about anything except ham radio. They were
not allowed to talk about ham radio because I
think a lot of women in that area had their licenses,
but they were afraid to get on the air and talk.
And I know my fear when I first got my ticket
was I was afraid to get on the air and talk because
I was so afraid someone was going to ask me a
technical question and I would give a bad answer
to or not know the answer to it. So I was kind
of afraid in that respect because I wasn't real
confident in my technical skills as far as amateur
radio. And so I think if things like that to
get them, I mean, you know, one night they could
talk about shopping or favorite recipes or, you
know, just different things that women like to
talk about. And I think that would draw them
in on the air more and feel more comfortable
being on the air. I know we have the YLRL. I'm
a member of that, which helps promote women in
the hobby. So there's different ways. Girl Scouts,
I know I talked to Girl Scout troops on the air
when I was Whiskey One Alpha Whiskey Portable
Nine up in Wisconsin. A woman who was a ham came
on the air and asked me if she could, she was
gonna have, she's a troop leader and she was
gonna have her girls there in like an hour and
could she bring them on the air and talk with
me and I absolutely, so I talked to all the girls
in the troop and that was pretty cool. So yeah,
I mean we all do our part, hopefully, to try
and get more YLs in it, but I think a lot of
YLs are intimidated by the technical aspect because
it's just, you know, they're, it's just, they're
not confident in that area, if they're like me
anyway. Yeah, now one of the things my mom did
when she got on the air was she would get on
there and talk with another YL and they would
get on the repeater and talk about recipes. A
lot of the guys in the club complained about
it because they're like, you're wasting repeater
time. You know, nowadays, you know, it's like,
yeah, the repeater sits there, you know, 23 hours
a day on there. Well, back then, you know, before
cell phones and everything, you know, the repeater
could be a little bit busy. Uh, but, but they
were like, you know, you're tying up the repeater
to talk about recipes, you know, And so they
could get on the air and talk about gout or train.
Right. Right. Yeah. You know, it's gotta be fair
for everybody. It's, it's gardens ailments in
the weather. Those are the three things to talk
about on AM radio and, and, you know, so they
went off to simplex. So they started, you know,
which they were about 30 miles apart. So it wasn't
easy to do simplex always, but But, um, they
both had beams, so they, they would get on simplex.
But the funny thing was you wouldn't believe
how many people followed them over to the simplex
frequency to listen to their conversations. It's
amazing how many people are in the shadows on
two meters. You know, I was in the shadows for
a long time because I was afraid to talk or bust
into a rag too. So I sat in the shadows a lot
because I was. You know, I was scared. A lot
of people are shy that way. And they just wanted
to have some something in the background to listen
to while they're doing whatever they're doing
too. So but yeah, that is pretty cool that they
follow the women. Yeah, they just follow them
over there. So they were still on. It was just,
you know, they were still being listened to.
It's just not on the repeater anymore. Now, one
of the things you mentioned in your talk over
at Contest University was one of the first contests
you worked and you won your class. So tell us
about that. And that was operator skill, I'll
tell you that, all the way. It was my very first
contest. I did California Q So Party. I figured
I'd start small. And what I did, and you know
what, actually you could take away from this
something to do if you're just starting off in
contesting. I looked at the category and looked
at my station and what I and so I could only
really I only had 400 watts because I needed
new tubes on my amp and I couldn't afford them
at the time and so I thought I'll just do low
power while only out of state so I won but I
was the only entry in that category so but you
ended first I got it well or last how you look
at it No, no, no, no. We'll keep it first. Yeah.
Exactly. You got first place in the world in
that contest. And then the next weekend, I was
so hooked. The next weekend, I think was a Scandinavian
activity contest, SAC. And I just got up in the
morning. I had my robe on, still fired up the
radio. And I hear these guys doing a contest.
So I. pull up my little N1MM and I just worked
a couple guys and I just kept going, kept going,
kept going. Like three hours later, okay, I think
I'll get dressed now, take a shower and have
some coffee. And I never turned my log in. Well,
they kept emailing me, turn your log in, turn
your log in. So I turned my log in and I got
first place USA. So always turn your log in.
You never know. I keep trying to convince our
local club for the field day strategy. is to
work like 19 alpha. Just pick some random number
and just transmit for one minute on all those
different bands and modes so that we can be like
19 alpha and then we're the only club in the
category and we win. We tried that in college
and it didn't work. It's not just, yeah, 19 separate
stations. That's a lot of antennas and radios
to hook up. Yeah. Well, we used a lot of hand
filters and we used a lot of handhelds, a lot
of VHF, UHF and different modes. You know, we
got, we got CW digital and voice on two meters
and then on 440 and You know, it was just a matter
of, okay, everybody grab a radio and let's see
how many we can get. And it backfired. Somebody
else did the same thing. So you didn't end up
winning, but yeah, we got second place. So, you
know, it works. So yeah, turn in your log. You
never know what may happen there. And, and that's
a good thing too. If you, if your station's limited
or whatever, and you want to do, and you want
a little confidence builder, go through the,
uh, You can go through the prior year's results
and see where there's or world records if you're
looking to win a record for your nine land or
eight land or wherever and look and see where
the weakness is and go you know what I think
I can beat that and then plan your that contest
you know and do that category because you'll
see some scores are crazy high and then all of
a sudden there's one real low score in there
like oh look at that I think I might be able
to pass that up and pick your category based
on that. So I do that sometimes. I did a QRP
contest. Well, Jerry had to be at a deserted
island because he hates QRP. So I waited till
he was on a deserted island and I did a QRP contest.
And it was fun. I got second place. But yeah,
that was fun. Yeah, that's great. We've got just
a couple of minutes here left. Go ahead and tweet
your questions if if you're out there. I know
a lot of people are off watching the speeches
tonight, but If you can tweet us a question or
call 812 net ham one is the number But since
we've got a couple of minutes here Let's talk
about the about the ham nation show so You've
been doing the DX part of that mostly, and so
we enjoy hearing, you know, what's coming up
in DX soon. So what are some of those, you know,
things that you're seeing coming up soon, and
some of your thoughts on ham nation? Well, not
that much coming up right now, because it's summer,
so propagation isn't good. Most de -expeditions
happen. In the fall or the winter so I really
have been watching that although, you know, there's
a lot of six meter action going on right now,
so But as far as and what was the second question
ham nation Oh ham nation. Oh, well, I used to
watch and I was always in the chat room and They
noticed I think it was right around the time
I was piloting maybe Amsterdam Island. I was
piloting Amsterdam Island and I was a lead pilot
so all the other pilot stations in Europe and
Australia and stuff filtered all their stuff
through me. And so people were asking me about
some questions on Amsterdam Island and I was
getting ready to head off to Saba Island with
P -Day 6 down in the Caribbean for a contest.
So people were asking me about that as well.
And so I think Bob Heil and them saw me in there
talking about the DX from FT5ZM and the contest
I was gonna be doing from PJ6, so they realized
there was kind of a hole in the programming,
and so they asked me to... come on board and
be their DXing and contesting version which I
jumped at the chance because when I got in ham
radio I had a lot of Elmer's and two meters but
no one I knew did HF so I really learned everything
the hard way so I thought it would be cool to
get on there and teach people how to do some
of this stuff that I really had to learn the
hard way so they didn't have to go through what
I went through. And there is one DXpedition coming
up I just want to mention real quick the St.
Paul Island DXpedition that's coming up August
19th. through the 29th, I think it's Charlie
Yankee nine Charlie, I think Charlie Yankee nine
Charlie. So that's pretty much the only thing
coming up that I know of. Unless we get North
Korea. Right. Which could be any day. You never
know. Who knows? Yeah, I want to put a PRS on
Tom. Yeah. Yeah. Just hide something in his sneakers
luggage. You know? Yeah, we did. We did some
We always do a transmitter hunt the end of the
school year with our high school club and and
so some of them knew that I had a PRS So I found
out they were getting they were getting on so
I was always remember to turn off my to my beacon
because That's a good way to get kids in the
hobby to Fox hunts It's like Pokemon Go, kind
of. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, Valerie,
thanks so much for being on the show. We appreciate
it. We're glad you're feeling better because
you had to reschedule last time. I know, yeah,
sorry about that. Glad you're feeling better.
It's fine. And you're welcome back any time.
And if you have some good DX news, why, come
on back and we'll be glad to have you on. Appreciate
it, Neil. Thanks for having me. And thank you,
everybody, for listening. All right, well that's
a wrap for this week's edition of HamTalk Live.
I'd like to thank my guest Valerie, NV9L, and
all the callers and listeners out there in cyberspace
and invite you all back next Thursday night at
9 p .m. Eastern Time. Now next week we're going
to do something a little different. A lot of
people have been asking me about how to get young
people into amateur radio. Sometimes it's those
discussions after the show or before the show
and out and about. So I'm going to do the show
next week solo. So you've been warmed. You get
40, 45 minutes of just me, but we're going to
talk about starting up ham radio clubs in schools
and how to get young people into ham radio. So
That's coming up next week. It's going to be
Young People night next Thursday night, 9 p .m.,
right here at HamTalkLive .com. And for a list
of all of our upcoming guests, be sure also to
go to HamTalkLive .com. So for now, this is Neil
Rapp, WB9VPG, saying 7375, and may the good DX
be yours. Thanks for watching!