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Well, man, I tell you what, you take a few days
off to go on vacation. Just got back last night.
late from a trip to Florida and the Ham radio
world just is full of all kinds of things going
on so I tried to stay up with that as best I
could while it was gone but Hamvention has a
new home now if you haven't heard yet they're
moving to the Green County Fairgrounds in Xenia
just east of Dayton so we'll hear more about
that later on. I haven't even had a chance to
check that out myself, so hopefully I can take
a look at that soon, and there's some stuff running
around out there on the internet. I believe Jeff,
KE9V, has some insights on that that I hope to
read soon. So yeah, new home for Hamvention,
and coming up on Newsline tomorrow, actually.
It comes out tomorrow. I have an interview with
Sam Rose, KC2LRC, who he and Sterling Coffey
in Zero SSC were the first United States Hams
to attend the Youngsters on the Air event over
in Austria. So there's that that just happened.
uh... and it's going to be featured on news line
tomorrow as well as the story about convention
moving and also the uh... bill pasternak young
ham of the year award sponsored by image radio
news line uh... that was uh... the winner of
that was released this week and so congratulations
to skyler KD0WHB. He's from the Denver area and
I've met Skyler a couple of times and he's a
great choice for that. Of course I was kind of
rooting for Ryan, one of my students, KD90AB,
because he's done an awful lot of work and an
awful lot of stuff and there's just a lot of
good candidates this year. But Skyler's the winner
of that KD0WHP so congratulations to him and
hopefully we can schedule a chance for him to
be on the show here at some point. So be sure
to catch up on all that stuff on Newsline tomorrow.
Amateur Radio Newsline at arnewsline .org or
a repeater near you. There's a lot that's happened
this week so if you want to catch up on news
that's a great way to do that. Okay, so tonight
again, we're talking about kids. We've got the
the young ham of the year thing the maximum award
winner Oh, yeah, I forgot about the maximum award
winner Chris over in Westchester, Ohio and let
me pull up his Call sign here because I forgot
to write it down Chris brought kd8 YVJ. He's
13 years old and he and his dad are involved
with the Voice of America group over there in
Westchester, the Westchester Image Radio Club.
So congratulations to him on winning the Hiram
Percy Maxim Award. And again, that's going to
be on the news line tomorrow. So be sure to check
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up in the future. So normally at this time I
would be reading the biography of tonight's guest,
but since that's me, I won't bore you with all
the details. The demo episode of the show, episode
number zero, does a pretty good job of that.
So I'll leave it up to that, and my QRZ page,
you can check that out if you want. But the short
version of the story is that I became licensed
when I was five years old. In fact, I just celebrated
my 40th ham -iversary a couple weeks ago on July
17th. I was the youngest ham radio operator in
the world at that time. Since then, those records
have all been broken for novice technician general
and advanced. And so, you know, I don't have
those records anymore, but I've stuck with it.
I've been... Active in ham radio that entire
time and I became a chemistry teacher and started
a ham radio club at Harrison High School in Evansville
Indiana where I was teaching And then when I
moved here to Bloomington, Indiana I restarted
a club that had actually been in existence back
in the 40s and and again in the in the 70s At
Bloomington High School South in Bloomington,
Indiana So we got that going again, and I was
lucky enough to be awarded the 2004 ARRL Professional
Educator of the Year Award. And, you know, one
of the things that I get asked a lot is how do
you get kids interested in ham radio? You know,
people will ask me, hey, you know, my son, my
daughter, my grandchild, you know, I want to
get them into ham radio. How do I do that? And
so that's what tonight's show is about. I don't
have all the answers but but I've got some some
ideas for you and I've got some information that
I can give you and then also a little bit about
school clubs really into the school club thing
and so hopefully I can give you some ideas a
lot of times after the show I end up talking
to the people who call in or even the guests
that are on it and they'll ask me about these
things and so there's been a lot of good conversation
about this but it's usually either before the
show or after the show uh... so i want to take
tonight out to you uh... focus uh... really on
uh... on youth and and school club thing and
uh... we're gonna try to did talk about the uh...
yoda event that was mentioned uh... while ago
that sam and uh... Sterling were able to go.
That was actually sponsored by IARU. It's region
one and there's a group of people including them
and Ward Silver and Glenn Johnson that are trying
to work to get that here in region two. So we'll
see how that goes. uh... but uh... that's the
plan is uh... you know in the near future to
get that here in the united states as well so
uh... good luck to them and maybe we'll uh...
we'll do a show just on that uh... in the future
but uh... tonight uh... again it's about how
to get kids interested in ham radio and rule
number one uh... in getting kids involved in
ham radio is something that may seem a little
counterintuitive. It may seem like the wrong
way to go to start with, but this is something
I learned very early on in doing a youth forum
and bringing in some of the experts like Gordon
West and Carol Perry. You know listening to them
and going to the instructors forum and the youth
forum and listening to Carol and going to the
ARRL teacher, educator, professional development
by Mark Spencer, WA8SME and they all pretty much
have said the same thing and it's something that
I have found with experience to be true and that
is rule number one is you don't start out pushing
the license exam. Kids getting tested at school
all the time as it is and if you want to get
kids fired up about ham radio it might work but
for a lot of kids starting out with hey you get
to study for something else and you get to go
take a test it's probably not the best way to
motivate them and introduce them into ham radio.
So the big thing is get them hooked first. And
I spent an hour on the phone with Deborah Johnson
here not long ago at ARRL and we'll talk a little
bit more about what's happening there. But I
was talking about some of these things and you
know we all kind of agree that's rule number
one. You start out with Getting them on the radio
and showing them cool stuff and getting them
involved with the radio Not oh, here's a whole
bunch of stuff to study and take a test and so
it may seem kind of Like I said counterintuitive,
but you want to start them out talking about
wireless and technology and and how that stuff
works and even if they don't get a license at
least they know what ham radio is and if they
understand what ham radio is they're going to
be more likely to you know support ham radio
when you know it's you know your homeowners association
or you know then they have to decide about antennas
or you're trying to put a station up in a club
or a school club you know up in a school and
you know you need permission to do that and the
principal oh yeah I remember you know I learned
about ham radio so just because they don't get
a license doesn't mean that they won't eventually
that happened with my dad He learned all about
ham radio when he was in high school and then
He didn't get his license until a lot later on
in life, and we ended up doing that together
That's one of the ways that I did that at age
five so Don't push the test first okay get them
on the radio get them hooked get them interested
in the technology and Then they can be motivated
by They want to do it themselves, okay? That's
the big thing when you're young is, you know,
I want to do this for myself. I don't want to
have to have somebody, you know, standing over
me being a control operator. They want to do
it for themselves. So do that. Filling out QSL
cards requires some knowledge. You got to figure
out what UTC is. You got to know what modes are
and what RST is. and all those things and call
signs and what call signs are and so QSL cards
can be a very valuable educational tool in teaching
ham radio and it gives them a reason to learn
what's on the test so that's rule number one
don't push the test first okay get them involved
with it and then Now, you know the test is available
so that you can do this on your own Here's how
to do that and hopefully they will rule number
two make a skid This is one that I learned the
hard way But rule number two is make a skid sitting
there for an hour spinning the knob Trying to
find someone to contact is probably not real
exciting to a child that's looking to get into
ham radio. Find someone and make a scheduled
contact so that there's somebody on the other
end that's going to be kid friendly that's going
to talk about things that they like to talk about.
I always joke that the three things in ham radio
to talk about are the weather, gardens, and ailments.
Kids are probably not going to want to make small
talk and talk about weather gardens and ailments
So have them you know have somebody on there
that can talk to them about what they're doing
in school and what their their interests are
and Most importantly have someone there So that
you're not spinning the knob for an hour trying
to find someone to work because that's pretty
boring Okay, so have somebody there ready to
go. A script a lot of times will help with mic
fright and that's why School Club Roundup has
worked so well with our school club is that it's
all scripted it's all on a piece of paper they
fill in the blanks we teach them how to fill
in the blanks and then after it's over we teach
them how to fill out the qsl card so they're
learning a lot of the things that are going to
end up on the technician exam so it pays off.
Rule three, for school clubs, have some kind
of faculty connection. You know, at Bloomington
South, I'm a ham and I'm a teacher, and so I
can serve both of those roles. I can be in contact
with the kids and have a relationship with the
kids. But also, I have the... contacts within
the ham radio community and the equipment and
the know -how. That isn't always going to happen
in a school so it's important that you have some
kind of a familiar face. Maybe it's not a ham
but it's a teacher that's a familiar face that
the kids can trust and be kind of a point of
contact and who knows maybe you'll get that faculty
member to be a ham after they see you know what
fun it is and what all you can do with it. So
have a familiar face there. Kids are just a lot
less likely to go to a club meeting or a test
session in unfamiliar territory. I like to do
testing sessions at school so that way it's in
familiar territory and they're more at ease.
Teachers Institute at ARRL is a fabulous opportunity
to teach teachers how to do ham radio. So if
you can encourage people you know, that aren't
even hams, but teach and are interested in science
and technology and that kind of thing, even if
that's not their field of teaching, you know,
get them interested in the ARRL Teachers Institute.
It's a great week, all kinds of resources you
get to bring back, and all kinds of great information,
so have that connection there, okay? And rule
number four, don't do everything for the make
it a learning opportunity whenever it's safe
to do so and this is something I struggled with
is I wanted to just I'll just give me the knob
and I'll find you know somebody now they need
to turn the knob and find somebody or I'll just
turn this up for you no they need to know where
the volume knob is they need to know where those
things are and so you use that as a teachable
moment you try to let them do as much as they
can i i'm getting a lot better at this but i
i try to really back off and say okay here is
what needs to take place do it and give them
a chance to try it give them a chance to figure
it out and then you can help them along the way
So a good Elmer is just a big, big, big thing.
You know, have a good Elmer there that can communicate
and help out with those kinds of things. Now,
as far as resources, you know, a lot of people
will ask me, well how in the world did you pass
your test at age five? Well, you know, back then
they didn't have the questions and answers published
even, so we had to make our own questions and
answers and so what my mom would do is she would
type these up on little note cards. She'd type
up a question and she'd type up an answer on
separate note cards and so I played kind of a
matching game with it and matched the answer
up with the question and then tried to understand
you know why that answer was the right one for
that question. and kind of made a game into it.
So the flash card thing really worked well for
me. Now those questions and answers are published.
So you can do the same thing. You can have a
flash card that has the question on it and then
you have the possible answers and you match up
the question and the answer. So that's how I
did it at five years old. and it worked so that's
one suggestion that I would make and then you
know a lot of people ask about resources because
some of the license manuals and especially in
the past haven't been real kid -friendly they're
getting better I believe but there are some other
materials out there one book that I usually bring
up for especially for the real younger crowd
you know the preteens and that kind of thing.
There is a book called Ride the Airwaves with
Alpha and Zulu and Alpha is ALFA instead of PHA.
Ride the Airwaves with Alpha and Zulu. John Abbott,
K6YB wrote this. Now this was last updated in
2000 so it's 16 years old. It hasn't been updated
for the new license exams, so it's not going
to You know be the only source that you want
to use to prepare kids for the test It's still
available on Amazon if you go on Amazon you can
still find some and find some used ones even
on there But just be warned, it is outdated,
so the question pool has changed several times.
But the principles are still there, so it's still
good reading. And of course, a lot of kids, they
will just get on and take the online practice
tests over and over again until they're getting
a passing grade. And there's several of those.
Some of our favorites are copacetic flows, AA9PW.
We like the one on QRZ, but we found the randomization
isn't quite as good as we'd like. We seem to
get the same ones over and over again. It doesn't
hit everything. So I kind of steer kids more
toward the AA9PW one or copacetic flows. And
of course, HamTest Online is a great resource
too. Now it is a subscription -based thing. You
pay for it for a year. But it remembers which
ones you get right, which ones you don't. It
has explanations and has a lot of good stuff
there. So, you know, if you're interested in
that, talk to Pi over at HamtestOnline .com.
They're the ones that put out the Ham Radio Saves
Lives bumper stickers and everything. But that
is a paid service. But it does have all the explanations
and it learns you. It learns as you go. as you
learn, and so that's a good resource too. One
that I kind of forgot about is ICOM. ICOM has
the adventures of Zach and Max comic books and
coloring books, and that'll help with a lot of
concepts and some terminology. Now again, it's
not question -answer, question -answer, question
-answer. It's not kill and drill, as we like
to call it in the educational world. But it does
have some of those concepts in there. So check
out the Adventures of Zack and Max comic books.
It's on the ICOM website. It's free. So just
search ICOM Adventures of Zack and Max or ICOM
comic book. And there's some good stuff there
for the younger crowd. The license manuals are
getting better. Of course, the big two are Gordon
West and the ARRL. we kind of have pushed the
Gordon West book a little bit more but the ARL
book has kind of been rewritten and so it's a
little bit friendlier too so I think it's kind
of a personal preference on on those but they're
fairly friendly they're not super kid friendly
but they're pretty easy so if you pair it with
some of these other things that I've talked about
that could work and by the way the Bloomington
High School South website is k9sou .org the k9sou
website has links to a lot of all of this stuff
so if you're interested in that you can you can
go over there now on the forefront here of things
in the future ARRL is Just announced in the last
few months that they're developing a new curriculum
And there's been a group that's already been
working on some of this stuff But they're trying
to put together a complete curriculum for schools
to teach ham radio, so A double RL is working
on that it'll be interesting to see what some
of those things are I've contributed a few things
to that and done some consulting on it, but it'll
be interesting to see what they come up with
for that. And I know they're looking for donations
to fund some of that stuff. So the other thing
at ARRL is the Education and Technology Program
grants. They have a station grant, so you can
apply for a grant and get a complete station.
You can get the radio, the power supply, the
antenna, the coax, the connectors, enough to
get you on the air. And then they have progress
grants that you can apply for to add small items
as you go. And those are evaluated once a year.
So you want to get your applications in for that.
I believe the deadline for that is November 1st
each year. But if you've got a program that's
willing to commit to that, that's a great way
to get a station without. having to do all the
the fundraising and everything and of course
we need people to donate to those so that's available
and that's what we did at Bloomington South is
we got that grant in 2003 and then we've just
slowly added things since then with a lot of
support from the ham radio community so that's
another way to do that Well, I can talk about
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He's come over and visited our school and used
some of our ideas over there and vice versa.
So good to hear him. And we've got Werner the
Vulcan here that's I've got a question. He's
actually calling right now, so let's take that
call. Good evening, Warner. There we go. We've
tried a paradigm at our school to get kids involved
with ham radio, but we didn't sell it as a ham
radio program. We sold it as a STEM program to
teach kids the skill on how to get involved with
tracking satellites. And then as part of the
program we taught kids how to get their ham license
and that's worked for the last five years. Go
ahead. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking
about is you do something to get them going,
to get them interested and then you introduce
the testing part of it for the license. So yeah,
very good. And just reading your comments here,
you've got 75 techs, 25 generals, five extra.
and some parents along the way too. So yeah,
you're doing a great job out there and that's
exactly what we're talking about. Okay, well
I just wanted to share that because it's a paradigm
that's working and we're teaching now other schools
how to do that. And what's nice about it is that
the kids are using this to leapfrog into STEM
careers and get involved in some other cool stuff
at the school. We have 25 after school programs
and my tech general and extra class are only
three of the 25 after school STEM programs. So
it's cool. Keep up the great work you're doing,
Neil. I just wanted to chime in with a thought.
If it helps somebody, then that's great. Anybody's
welcome. If they wish, they can email me. I'm
okay on QR said. and i can share more stuff that
they're sitting in more on that paradigm okay
yeah very good and we'll make sure we get your
call sign out there's wb six are a double you
don't be six that's right yeah very good sets
real american whiskey yeah very good you know
that's exactly what we're doing and uh... it's
working we haven't done so much with satellite
but the idea is the same you You get them involved
in those kinds of things and then introduce the
license thing. So very good. Thanks for calling
in. You betcha. And speaking of the space station,
our school puts about 25 experiments on the space
station every year and we teach other schools
how to do that. So that ties in well with ham
radio and of course the astronauts that are hams
on board. So anyway, keep up the good work. I'm
sure there's other people who want to chime in.
All right. Thank you very much. Appreciate you.
Taking the time to call in and yeah, we've done
some of that as well. So great job out there
and Like to hear that's continuing. Good job.
All right. Take care. All right, you too All
right. Well, sorry about the technical problems
there. Hopefully we've got through that. Let
me run over here to Twitter got a couple of them
about about scouting. Any good instruction material
for teaching the Radio Merit Badge from David
WX4DMD. And there's another one about Cub Scout
age kids grades 1 through 5 from Scott Wiley.
For the scouting, first of all, I'd say take
a listen to the show that we did just a few weeks
ago on scouting with Will Jordan and Jim Davis
that was on. They had a lot of the resources
on that. So give a listen to that and and find
that, but the Scout material is pretty self -directed.
There's a Radio Merit Badge book and so as long
as you follow that Radio Merit Badge book, that's
pretty well what you want to do. Now you can
supplement some things with the comic books like
I mentioned that ICOM has that you can download
for free The Adventures of Zack and Max and Alpha
and Zulu and some of those same things but the
Merit Badge book that's put out by the Boy Scouts
has a lot of that information in it so I would
suggest that you just follow that that would
be the best resource and there's a few things
out there online too but You know, again, I'd
use kind of the same things that I was just talking
about. OK, let's see here. I'm trying to do this
all solo this evening here, so I apologize for
some of the technical problems. But it's great
that we've got several questions on here tonight.
OK, Twitter seems to be good. And oh, yeah, Troy.
Reminds me here to mention the school club roundup
and and Hopefully we're going to do a show right
before school club roundup this year Just about
school club roundup and how you can help out
even if you're just on the air During school
club roundup week, but again as I mentioned school
club roundup is a great springboard for Getting
things started because it's scripted there's
a script and it helps the kids get over the mic
fright they fill in the blanks with the things
it's a contesting type situation and so there's
just not a whole lot of small talk that they
have to make so that's That's something that
you want to check into school club roundup check
that out on the ARRL website There's a lot of
information up there, but it's a great demonstration
tool also that you know kids see other kids Getting
on the air at school and making those contacts
Even though they're quick, it gives them some
interest and provides some competition too. Competition
has been a big motivator for us. Things like
School Club Roundup and then we just started
doing CQ Worldwide here last year. Some of that
competition definitely helps. Okay, I'm trying
to read all these messages here. Okay, yeah,
seen some people tell me that the Skype was coming
through right and that was entirely my fault.
So I will take the blame on that. Let me check
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want to get in here. you know also there's there's
a lot of scholarship opportunities that you know
looks great on a resume all that kind of thing
so we always encourage kids to to do that too
so you know as a you know another reason to do
ham radio is to to show some proficiency and
get it as a word was saying into some of these
science and technology engineering and math fields
to gain some expertise on that and you put that
on a on a resume that's going to help set you
aside from everyone else so that's always a good
way to go. Okay I see we do have another call
here but unfortunately I'm out of time this evening
so I would love to do that and if you want I
can I can stick around after the show and and
take your call so if you want to give me a call
back here as soon as the show's over and we can
do that but it is time to go for right now so
I want to thank everybody for listening and thank
everybody for participating this evening it's
great when people can call in and tweet in and
message in but that is a wrap for this week's
edition of HamTalk Live Thanks to everybody listening
and next Thursday night at 9 p .m. Tony Tolbert,
W9AMT, the public relations liaison for Hoosier
DMR will be here to fill us in on DMR, Digital
Mole Radio. And for a list of all of our upcoming
guests, visit HamTalkLive .com. So for now, this
is WB9VPGNeoWrap saying 7375 and may the good
DX be yours. Outro Music