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Eastern Time 00:05:58.550 --> 00:06:01.230 right here at HamTalkLive .com and if you missed 00:06:01.230 --> 00:06:03.449 the show you can download the podcast from the 00:06:03.449 --> 00:06:07.029 website and most popular podcasting websites. 00:06:07.819 --> 00:06:11.579 Tony Tolbert, W9AMT, became a ham as a teenager 00:06:11.579 --> 00:06:14.980 in 1996 after experimenting with citizens band 00:06:14.980 --> 00:06:19.800 radio and 49 megahertz radios. And in 2011, he 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:23.300 registered the first DMR repeater in Indiana. 00:06:23.860 --> 00:06:27.980 In 2014, he started the Hoosier DMR group and 00:06:27.980 --> 00:06:32.459 its website HoosierDMR .net as an informational 00:06:32.459 --> 00:06:36.100 resource about digital mobile radio. He is currently 00:06:36.100 --> 00:06:39.000 the trustee of four DMR repeaters across Indiana 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:42.420 and a technical specialist for the Indiana section 00:06:42.420 --> 00:06:47.199 of the ARRL. And he also maintains a GMRS repeater 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:51.339 in Indianapolis. Tony, welcome to HamTalk Live. 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:54.319 Well, thank you, Neil. I appreciate the opportunity 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:58.300 to come onto your show tonight. Yeah, I'm really 00:06:58.300 --> 00:07:00.839 interested in hearing about this because I admit 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:07.329 I have not really dive into any of this digital 00:07:07.329 --> 00:07:11.230 audio stuff on on VHF and UHF so yeah why don't 00:07:11.230 --> 00:07:15.829 you just start out telling us what DMR is and 00:07:15.829 --> 00:07:20.949 how that works yeah that'd be great so DMR stands 00:07:20.949 --> 00:07:25.110 for digital mobile radio and is an open digital 00:07:25.110 --> 00:07:28.750 voice mobile radio standard developed by the 00:07:28.750 --> 00:07:31.230 European Telecommunications Standards Institute 00:07:32.130 --> 00:07:37.230 And the standard was designed for land mobile 00:07:37.230 --> 00:07:41.589 radio purposes for radios that operate in the 00:07:41.589 --> 00:07:46.350 30 megahertz to 1 gig frequency range. As I said, 00:07:46.430 --> 00:07:48.750 it was originally designed for commercial purposes. 00:07:48.949 --> 00:07:52.569 However, the amateur community has adopted it 00:07:52.569 --> 00:07:57.589 and adopted it quite well just in the six and 00:07:57.589 --> 00:08:02.439 a half years that it has been. So it has expanded 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:09.420 faster and stronger and beyond anyone else's 00:08:09.420 --> 00:08:12.180 cognitive thought that it would have expanded 00:08:12.180 --> 00:08:18.660 as fast as it had, it has really taken off. It 00:08:18.660 --> 00:08:24.420 offers some different variants of voice technology 00:08:24.420 --> 00:08:28.620 over other digital modes. One of which being 00:08:28.620 --> 00:08:33.820 that it allows for two simultaneous voice conversations 00:08:33.820 --> 00:08:36.799 through one repeater, whereas other digital modes 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:39.980 like D -Star and System Fusion only allow for 00:08:39.980 --> 00:08:46.500 one. So the adaptability of the technology has, 00:08:46.500 --> 00:08:48.940 I think, what has really been the driving force 00:08:48.940 --> 00:08:54.340 behind it. Very good. Well, yeah, you mentioned, 00:08:54.340 --> 00:08:59.340 you know fusion and and there's a D star So with 00:08:59.340 --> 00:09:01.700 anything that's that's kind of new. There's a 00:09:01.700 --> 00:09:04.759 bunch of different standards, you know and and 00:09:04.759 --> 00:09:09.000 so Why don't you explain a little bit about? 00:09:09.340 --> 00:09:12.220 the differences between all those digital voice 00:09:12.220 --> 00:09:16.419 modes D star DMR and fusion and And if you think 00:09:16.419 --> 00:09:19.279 they're all going to coexist, or is one of them 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:24.259 going to end up being like a Betamax? Sure. Hey, 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:29.639 I still have a Betamax. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. So 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:35.600 yeah. So D -Star was originally introduced at 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:41.879 the first part of the beginning decade, 2000, 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:45.990 2001 era. It's actually an open -source standard 00:09:45.990 --> 00:09:51.090 as well, just like DMR. However, it was only 00:09:51.090 --> 00:09:54.049 adopted by one manufacturer, that being ICOM. 00:09:54.570 --> 00:09:58.549 As of late, Kenwood has decided that they're 00:09:58.549 --> 00:10:00.529 going to jump into the digital market as well, 00:10:00.649 --> 00:10:02.509 and they're going to offer a D -Star product. 00:10:03.110 --> 00:10:05.990 If anyone was at the Dayton Hamvention this last 00:10:05.990 --> 00:10:10.210 May, they saw the new Kenwood radio that's the 00:10:10.210 --> 00:10:14.620 2 -meter, 220, 440... APRS with D -Star built 00:10:14.620 --> 00:10:17.720 into it. So very exciting stuff to see Kenwood 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:21.820 get their feet into the digital market. D -Star 00:10:21.820 --> 00:10:27.279 was designed by the Japanese amateur radio league 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:34.539 and it was the first step or leap into the digital 00:10:34.539 --> 00:10:38.740 voice mode for amateur radio. And it kind of 00:10:38.740 --> 00:10:42.059 got a slow start. Equipment was expensive, it 00:10:42.059 --> 00:10:45.379 was proprietary only to ICOM as they were paying 00:10:45.379 --> 00:10:51.440 the royalties to the JARL. And I don't think 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:54.879 any of the other manufacturers, Kenwood, Yezu, 00:10:56.019 --> 00:10:58.779 had really thought digital would take off quite 00:10:58.779 --> 00:11:05.919 as fast or as they had hoped. So with the implementation 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:10.029 of DMR now, It's being an open source standard. 00:11:10.029 --> 00:11:12.990 It has really opened the gateway and the floodgates 00:11:12.990 --> 00:11:18.789 for digital voice modes I think now that those 00:11:18.789 --> 00:11:21.169 other technologies have been implemented and 00:11:21.169 --> 00:11:23.330 the amateur community is kind of embracing that 00:11:23.330 --> 00:11:27.389 digital voice or radio over IP modes I think 00:11:27.389 --> 00:11:30.470 that's kind of the driving force behind Kenwood 00:11:30.470 --> 00:11:35.370 introducing their D star product Two years ago 00:11:35.370 --> 00:11:41.399 Yezu introduced their product system fusion unfortunately 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:45.539 D star and DMR and system fusion and a couple 00:11:45.539 --> 00:11:48.100 of others out there there's p25 which is widely 00:11:48.100 --> 00:11:51.860 used among the public safety realms and then 00:11:51.860 --> 00:11:55.820 Kenwood commercial and ICOM commercial both carry 00:11:55.820 --> 00:12:00.419 a product called NXDN more commonly known as 00:12:00.419 --> 00:12:09.110 Nexedge and those are also in the amateur community. 00:12:09.870 --> 00:12:13.009 However, P25 equipment is a little bit more expensive, 00:12:13.230 --> 00:12:15.769 being that it's public safety oriented. Those 00:12:15.769 --> 00:12:18.029 radios tend to carry a higher price tag, so there's 00:12:18.029 --> 00:12:24.049 not a lot of use on P25 like there are the other 00:12:24.049 --> 00:12:26.730 digital modes. Unfortunately, like I was saying, 00:12:26.950 --> 00:12:29.309 D -Star and DMR and Fusion are all different 00:12:29.309 --> 00:12:33.789 technologies. And with that comes the lack of 00:12:33.789 --> 00:12:38.279 interoperability between the three. So I don't 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:42.000 know that One will prevail over the other. I 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:46.200 think they all offer a different off a different 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:51.940 feature set and a different offering so I I would 00:12:51.940 --> 00:12:55.480 be lack to say that DMR might overtake the other 00:12:55.480 --> 00:12:59.350 two. However, I don't Don't quote me on that 00:12:59.350 --> 00:13:02.769 Yeah, yeah. Well, it seems like it's growing 00:13:02.769 --> 00:13:05.730 fast in this area, which you've had a lot to 00:13:05.730 --> 00:13:09.889 do with that But it seems you know at least in 00:13:09.889 --> 00:13:14.350 this region to to be growing the fastest of the 00:13:14.350 --> 00:13:18.789 three Yeah, we've had We've been very blessed 00:13:18.789 --> 00:13:22.769 in Indiana whether it be on the Hoosier DMR network 00:13:22.769 --> 00:13:25.230 or on the Crossroads network, they're another 00:13:25.230 --> 00:13:27.950 network that offers DMR technology in our state. 00:13:29.049 --> 00:13:35.230 We currently have 47 registered repeater IDs 00:13:35.230 --> 00:13:38.669 in the state of Indiana between Hoosier DMR and 00:13:38.669 --> 00:13:41.990 Crossroads and another network that maintains 00:13:41.990 --> 00:13:44.490 three or four repeaters up in the Chicagoland 00:13:44.490 --> 00:13:47.649 Northwestern Indiana region. So we are very blessed 00:13:47.649 --> 00:13:51.379 with DMR coverage. with a very high user base. 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:54.659 We have now over 700 registered DMR users in 00:13:54.659 --> 00:13:59.259 the state. We have surpassed Ohio and Kentucky 00:13:59.259 --> 00:14:04.799 and Illinois in usage. So our network alone sees 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:09.840 around 300, 350 users on a monthly basis. We 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:13.659 have a Tuesday night DMR net on Indiana Statewide 00:14:13.659 --> 00:14:17.309 Talk Group number 3118. And we have anywhere 00:14:17.309 --> 00:14:22.809 between 40 and 60 check -ins on that. So the 00:14:22.809 --> 00:14:25.350 Indiana community has really embraced the new 00:14:25.350 --> 00:14:28.750 technology. And it's surprising to me that it 00:14:28.750 --> 00:14:31.929 has been embraced so well because it's not an 00:14:31.929 --> 00:14:34.629 amateur technology. As I said, it was originally 00:14:34.629 --> 00:14:40.120 designed for the commercial LMR market. Now can 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:42.320 you talk a little bit about you know why you 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:46.320 would go DMR over D star why you would do fusion 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:51.519 over You know DMR those kind of advantages and 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:54.240 disadvantages of those Well, I think it really 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:56.980 comes down to user preference Neil. I mean it's 00:14:56.980 --> 00:15:01.779 uh, you know If you're more of a techie guy And 00:15:01.779 --> 00:15:05.279 you like experimentation DMR is definitely a 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:13.309 route that you might take DMR is not one specific 00:15:13.309 --> 00:15:17.970 vendor selling a product. They now have 25 plus 00:15:17.970 --> 00:15:21.210 manufacturers of DMR equipment. And that was 00:15:21.210 --> 00:15:24.649 really why the standard was intended. It was 00:15:24.649 --> 00:15:28.750 instituted for interoperability, low cost and 00:15:28.750 --> 00:15:33.100 low complexity. And because of the 25 plus DMR 00:15:33.100 --> 00:15:35.000 manufacturers in the world, that has really drove 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:37.580 the cost of the equipment down. That, I think, 00:15:37.580 --> 00:15:40.379 is another driving factor that has caused DMR 00:15:40.379 --> 00:15:44.059 to explode within the amateur community. It's 00:15:44.059 --> 00:15:48.480 readily available. It's low cost. You know, just 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:50.799 here in Indiana, we have a couple of folks that 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:54.960 maintain the programming information. Anytime 00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:58.779 there's a new repeater to be added or there's... 00:15:58.779 --> 00:16:03.980 a contacts list. We have a couple of folks that 00:16:03.980 --> 00:16:07.940 maintain all that for us. So we update those 00:16:07.940 --> 00:16:10.320 code plug files on our repository on our website. 00:16:10.580 --> 00:16:15.000 And as a user, a new user, you can go download 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:17.159 that information and not have to fumble through 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:20.799 the programming for a DMR radio. You can actually 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:23.399 look at the programming and learn from how it's 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:28.429 built to kind of educate yourself. at your own 00:16:28.429 --> 00:16:30.750 pace to see how it's all put together. It definitely 00:16:30.750 --> 00:16:34.250 programs a lot different than an amateur technology. 00:16:35.889 --> 00:16:39.269 System Fusion is also a very wonderful technology. 00:16:39.769 --> 00:16:42.470 I think it's come by leaps and bounds since its 00:16:42.470 --> 00:16:46.210 first iteration. Since Yezu first implemented 00:16:46.210 --> 00:16:50.149 it, it now has seen some pretty steady growth. 00:16:50.740 --> 00:16:53.559 And D star is also you know a steady growing 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:56.539 digital technology. It is the oldest child in 00:16:56.539 --> 00:17:01.539 the basket But I don't think that's I don't think 00:17:01.539 --> 00:17:04.000 that we should knock its age by any means I mean 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:07.940 it is still a very interesting technology It 00:17:07.940 --> 00:17:13.920 allows for some different features and I think 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:17.740 all three are definitely a very good a good way 00:17:17.740 --> 00:17:21.400 to go You know it just depends on What the user 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:24.000 wants you know if they're like I said more of 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:27.180 an experiment or maybe digital or DMR might be 00:17:27.180 --> 00:17:30.559 the way to go You know system fusion is pretty 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:32.960 much right out of the box ready to go you program 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:37.039 your repeater in They have an interface called 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:40.200 wires X that allows that repeater or or even 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:43.259 a radio to connect Via the internet into what 00:17:43.259 --> 00:17:46.880 they are now calling rooms and and D star is 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:49.339 pretty much right out of the box to you program 00:17:49.339 --> 00:17:51.880 your code plug or put your call sign into the 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:55.019 radio. If you're within range of a repeater that 00:17:55.019 --> 00:17:57.980 offers DSAR technology, it allows you to connect 00:17:57.980 --> 00:18:01.160 to folks all over the world. Yeah, now why don't 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:03.240 you talk a little bit about that? What are the 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:07.420 advantages of all of these digital voice modes 00:18:07.420 --> 00:18:11.359 over just plain old analog voice modes that, 00:18:11.380 --> 00:18:14.299 you know, you order the $30 bow thing, you know, 00:18:14.339 --> 00:18:20.089 and you're on, you know, but Why go digital? 00:18:20.430 --> 00:18:24.130 What are those advantages of going to a digital 00:18:24.130 --> 00:18:27.349 mode as opposed to just staying on analog? Sure. 00:18:27.630 --> 00:18:30.509 Well, one of the big advantages of digital is 00:18:30.509 --> 00:18:34.029 the fact that it is digital and it allows that 00:18:34.029 --> 00:18:37.150 voice to be compressed and sent out over the 00:18:37.150 --> 00:18:42.309 internet. All of the three major digital manufacturers 00:18:42.309 --> 00:18:46.339 now, D -Star, DMR, and Fusion, The fixed end 00:18:46.339 --> 00:18:48.599 equipment, or repeaters rather, if you will, 00:18:49.220 --> 00:18:54.480 they all allow for internet linking. So D -Star 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:59.220 allows, they connect into what are called reflectors, 00:18:59.299 --> 00:19:02.220 and there are reflectors, much like Echolink 00:19:02.220 --> 00:19:06.140 if you will, or what's the other technology? 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:12.220 IRLP. IRLP, thank you. You can dial into a reflector 00:19:12.220 --> 00:19:15.480 and you can talk to a different group of people 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:20.119 and those are Sectioned off by locale or geography 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:23.640 if you will one of the big D star Reflectors 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:26.259 is called 30 Charlie. It's a very popular reflector. 00:19:26.259 --> 00:19:30.440 A lot of folks talk on that all over the world 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:33.480 Fusion is the same way now that they've implemented 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:37.220 their wires X technology it allows that radio 00:19:38.170 --> 00:19:40.509 to access its repeater and then the repeater 00:19:40.509 --> 00:19:45.490 will access again through DTMF codes or maybe 00:19:45.490 --> 00:19:47.990 on a fixed basis where the repeater always stays 00:19:47.990 --> 00:19:51.329 on a specific room and it allows you to talk 00:19:51.329 --> 00:19:57.349 into basically a digital voice chat with other 00:19:57.349 --> 00:20:01.910 hams all over the world. DMR also operates through 00:20:01.910 --> 00:20:05.769 IP site connect or radio over IP technology. 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:08.440 However, it's a little different. Like I said 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:12.079 being that it's a commercial technology the the 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:17.559 DMR networks in the world again, they have Talk 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:20.700 groups if you will what we call talk groups and 00:20:20.700 --> 00:20:26.240 and those are based on local areas Like I said, 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:29.319 we have a talk group for our statewide. There's 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:32.940 a Midwest So again, they're just based on geography. 00:20:32.940 --> 00:20:36.299 They're based on language one of the nice things 00:20:36.170 --> 00:20:39.369 with DMR, like I said previously, is that it 00:20:39.369 --> 00:20:42.210 allows for two simultaneous voice conversations 00:20:42.210 --> 00:20:46.849 rather than just one. So you may not want to 00:20:46.849 --> 00:20:51.769 talk to someone, you know, through a nationwide 00:20:51.769 --> 00:20:55.529 or a worldwide or a regional basis. You can change 00:20:55.529 --> 00:20:58.609 over to the other time slot or another talk group 00:20:58.609 --> 00:21:00.670 on the other time slot and you can talk to someone 00:21:00.670 --> 00:21:04.190 locally on you that repeater or someone through 00:21:04.190 --> 00:21:07.579 your statewide. uh, do your statewide talk group. 00:21:07.900 --> 00:21:10.140 So DMR definitely has an advantage, I think, 00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:12.559 because it offers the two simultaneous voice 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:17.420 conversations through one repeater. And that's, 00:21:17.420 --> 00:21:20.200 you know, I would think that would kind of compare 00:21:20.200 --> 00:21:24.059 to something like PSK 31 where, you know, you've 00:21:24.059 --> 00:21:27.519 got eight to 10, you know, conversations going 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:30.480 on the same frequency at the same time. Exactly. 00:21:30.819 --> 00:21:36.299 Exactly. DMR is a technology that was based off 00:21:36.299 --> 00:21:41.660 of, if you remember the days of Nextel. It is 00:21:41.660 --> 00:21:45.319 time division multiple access or TDMA. So that's 00:21:45.319 --> 00:21:48.180 how you get the two time slots varying with one 00:21:48.180 --> 00:21:52.740 another. Two time slots in a 12 .5 kilohertz 00:21:52.740 --> 00:21:56.519 frequency spectrum. So basically six and a quarter 00:21:56.519 --> 00:22:00.720 kilohertz time slots times two. And then those 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:03.940 alternate back and forth at a rate of 30 milliseconds. 00:22:05.559 --> 00:22:08.440 So DMR radios, because of their TDMA technology, 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:14.839 allow for better battery life. So with the time 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:17.579 slots constantly switching, you're not a constant 00:22:17.579 --> 00:22:20.519 carrier. So you see around 40 % better battery 00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:25.799 life. Oh, very good. I didn't even think about 00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:30.710 the battery life being better. That's another 00:22:30.710 --> 00:22:34.150 advantage of that. Well, very good. It sounds 00:22:34.150 --> 00:22:38.349 like some some great technology to experiment 00:22:38.349 --> 00:22:42.349 with and Hopefully you'll be able to do that 00:22:42.349 --> 00:22:45.089 for long. We're gonna take a break It's time 00:22:45.089 --> 00:22:47.890 to pay some of the bills, but we'll be back and 00:22:47.890 --> 00:22:51.470 we're gonna take your calls With Tony right after 00:22:51.470 --> 00:22:55.619 this message from the ham station This episode 00:22:55.619 --> 00:22:58.900 of HamTalk Live is brought to you by the HamStation. 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:01.559 For 35 years, the HamStation has brought new 00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:04.440 and used radios, antennas, accessories, and equipment 00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:07.240 to the amateur radio community. 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Hey Neil it's Ryan 00:25:34.019 --> 00:25:38.740 KD9DAV oh very good we gave you a shout out earlier 00:25:38.740 --> 00:25:41.859 thanks for getting that coax run and uh you have 00:25:41.859 --> 00:25:45.900 a question for us tonight yeah so i have a question 00:25:45.900 --> 00:25:51.099 for you what is the most important and most useful 00:25:51.099 --> 00:25:58.180 law in ham radio the most important law in ham 00:25:58.180 --> 00:26:02.079 radio yep we're talking about you know physical 00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:07.859 laws of nature Well, I guess that'd be electromagnetism. 00:26:09.460 --> 00:26:14.819 But what about Murphy's law? Well, yeah. Now, 00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:21.500 being a repeater guy, I know Tony knows about 00:26:21.500 --> 00:26:24.240 this because I do all the analog repeater stuff 00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:26.980 and he's doing all the digital stuff. Murphy 00:26:26.980 --> 00:26:32.960 is a very real thing. Especially when it comes 00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:36.619 to repeaters now now we ran into Murphy today 00:26:36.619 --> 00:26:40.019 running this coax because the connectors didn't 00:26:40.019 --> 00:26:42.180 want to go through the little pipe and everything 00:26:42.180 --> 00:26:46.160 and so Right right about got heat stroke up in 00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:53.839 my attic Yeah, so yeah Murphy's law is a very 00:26:53.839 --> 00:27:01.380 real thing And and we know Jerry KC9ZAR is the 00:27:01.380 --> 00:27:05.339 latest to experience the lightning version of 00:27:05.339 --> 00:27:11.700 Murphy. Any Murphy's Law DMR stories, Tony? Lots 00:27:11.700 --> 00:27:13.839 of Murphy's Law. I could take up two hours with 00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:18.519 Murphy's Law DMR story. Yeah, I've got an amplifier 00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:23.140 right now that will, as soon as it keys up, it 00:27:23.140 --> 00:27:25.759 will trip the power supply. But you put a load 00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:30.500 on the power supply, everything's fine. Yeah, 00:27:30.500 --> 00:27:34.539 that's uh, that's no clue. Yeah, no clue cannot 00:27:34.539 --> 00:27:39.980 figure it out So the you need the elusive golden 00:27:39.980 --> 00:27:43.480 screwdriver for a job like that Yeah, or maybe 00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:47.140 maybe pump some magic smoke in that's it. Yeah. 00:27:47.220 --> 00:27:51.700 Yeah Well, I've learned that you can you can 00:27:51.700 --> 00:27:54.859 let the smoke out That's the hardest thing to 00:27:54.859 --> 00:27:59.289 put back in. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely Well, if 00:27:59.289 --> 00:28:01.829 you have any interior problems, I hear that the 00:28:01.829 --> 00:28:05.750 SWR spray away I hear that's oh, yeah the sprayaways 00:28:05.750 --> 00:28:09.069 and that's good stuff Yeah, they know that they 00:28:09.069 --> 00:28:11.849 sell that at the the flea market with the DVD 00:28:11.849 --> 00:28:19.829 rewinders and the steel toe flip -flops Now Tony, 00:28:19.910 --> 00:28:21.950 I don't know if you know but we actually do have 00:28:21.950 --> 00:28:26.609 a commercial that we played back on April Fool's 00:28:26.609 --> 00:28:31.009 week of Spray away the SWR reducer in a can. 00:28:31.130 --> 00:28:33.930 Oh very nice. Yeah, I gotta get some of that. 00:28:34.109 --> 00:28:37.890 Yeah, that's good stuff. Mm -hmm Yeah, I was 00:28:37.890 --> 00:28:41.390 just stringing a off -center fed die pole and 00:28:41.390 --> 00:28:43.869 I put that thing up there and I was like man 00:28:43.869 --> 00:28:46.690 Where's that the SWR spray away? We ended up 00:28:46.690 --> 00:28:51.349 having to You know solder some wire to it and 00:28:51.349 --> 00:28:54.130 extend that thing to get the resonant frequency 00:28:54.130 --> 00:28:57.089 down. It took forever. I just kind of wanted 00:28:57.089 --> 00:28:58.609 to string it up there, throw it in the tree, 00:28:58.609 --> 00:29:01.849 and it worked. But SWR Spray Away, I recommend 00:29:01.849 --> 00:29:06.869 it. Yeah, yeah. Boy, wouldn't it be nice. Well, 00:29:06.869 --> 00:29:10.650 Ryan, thank you for calling in tonight. And again, 00:29:10.650 --> 00:29:14.890 thank you for getting the dipole back on. I'm 00:29:14.890 --> 00:29:17.210 looking forward to getting back on HF from home. 00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:22.019 for a change. The things I do for ham radio and 00:29:22.019 --> 00:29:26.200 HF, you know, casually almost giving heatstroke, 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:31.259 crawling in multiple addicts, stringing coax 00:29:31.259 --> 00:29:35.359 all over the place, hold out all night or a field 00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:41.700 day for HF. So Ryan, I have a quick question 00:29:41.700 --> 00:29:47.200 before you buzz off. Yeah, go ahead. Did you, 00:29:47.539 --> 00:29:49.599 I understand that you just got your license, 00:29:49.900 --> 00:29:52.880 so congratulations on that. Woohoo, kudos, applause 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:55.700 all around. Thank you. Very good to have you 00:29:55.700 --> 00:29:58.500 in the amateur community. Did you go for your 00:29:58.500 --> 00:30:00.900 tech or did you get your general or what level 00:30:00.900 --> 00:30:03.579 are you right now currently? My father is the 00:30:03.579 --> 00:30:05.859 one who just got his license. I got my license 00:30:05.859 --> 00:30:09.180 about a year and a half ago. Okay. Yeah, he got 00:30:09.180 --> 00:30:14.299 his technician. He was on CB radio probably. 00:30:14.750 --> 00:30:18.150 30 is 30 years ago just farting around and so 00:30:18.150 --> 00:30:20.109 he always kind of thought about it and then whenever 00:30:20.109 --> 00:30:23.430 I got into it because of Neal's club He kind 00:30:23.430 --> 00:30:27.269 of got into it with me. So After hanging antennas 00:30:27.269 --> 00:30:29.609 and all that stuff. He decided to give this tech 00:30:29.609 --> 00:30:33.910 and got it easily But I got my tech about a year 00:30:33.910 --> 00:30:37.910 and a half ago and then I upgraded to my general 00:30:37.910 --> 00:30:41.309 at Dayton Okay. Well, congratulations on that. 00:30:41.309 --> 00:30:43.569 Well pass my congratulations on to your father 00:30:45.679 --> 00:30:51.039 So being he's a new ham, you know a digital mode 00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:53.900 might be advantageous to him because he doesn't 00:30:53.900 --> 00:30:58.940 have HF privileges. One of the big promoting 00:30:58.940 --> 00:31:02.720 factors of digital technology or even DMR for 00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:06.299 that matter is that while he is pretty much limited 00:31:06.299 --> 00:31:09.619 on his voice capabilities to the HF or to the 00:31:09.619 --> 00:31:14.130 2 meter 440 and above He could easily get into 00:31:14.130 --> 00:31:17.670 DMR if you're within range of a repeater and 00:31:17.670 --> 00:31:21.069 have conversations worldwide with people without 00:31:21.069 --> 00:31:29.150 the capability of HF. Definitely something for 00:31:29.150 --> 00:31:32.269 him to think about if he's interested. Well, 00:31:32.829 --> 00:31:36.250 absolutely. I recently, within the past week, 00:31:37.470 --> 00:31:41.640 I got into EchoLink. I kind of knew about it 00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:47.759 but decided to try it out and I knew that he 00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:53.220 has a buddy Jerry KC9ZAR down in Washington where 00:31:53.220 --> 00:31:57.859 my dad grew up and he knew he was a ham and they 00:31:57.859 --> 00:32:02.400 grew up together in radio and all that and so 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:05.720 my dad kind of wanted to talk to him but of course 00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:37.930 I only have a handheld for All right, Ryan. Something 00:32:37.930 --> 00:32:41.089 like digital could definitely you know kind of 00:32:41.089 --> 00:32:44.529 get him into it more. I definitely think that's 00:32:44.529 --> 00:32:47.849 true Now we've got a tweet here that that kind 00:32:47.849 --> 00:32:50.049 of relates to to what we're talking about here 00:32:50.049 --> 00:32:54.630 from wa8liv And he wants to know what's the best 00:32:54.630 --> 00:32:59.049 DMR for someone who is new to DMR? But isn't 00:32:59.049 --> 00:33:03.750 new to digital radio. He says the Ares guys near 00:33:03.750 --> 00:33:09.299 him swear by moto solutions so if it's you know 00:33:09.299 --> 00:33:13.539 somebody that's new to DMR what what do you suggest 00:33:13.539 --> 00:33:19.680 well I mean it really just depends on how much 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:21.400 they want to spend really that's what it comes 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:24.799 down to a price factor you know with 25 plus 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:28.440 manufacturers worldwide some of the most popular 00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:32.809 brands are you know Motorola Vertex standard 00:33:32.809 --> 00:33:36.410 has a DMR product that is comparable to to everyone 00:33:36.410 --> 00:33:40.250 else Connect systems Jerry with connect systems 00:33:40.250 --> 00:33:43.910 has some very good products Titerra is a very 00:33:43.910 --> 00:33:47.569 good product for entry level Like you said with 00:33:47.569 --> 00:33:50.910 with the ham station. They've got the MD 380. 00:33:50.910 --> 00:33:55.730 That's a very good product them with a few other 00:33:55.730 --> 00:33:59.069 Accessible dealers in Indiana, you know, those 00:33:59.069 --> 00:34:03.380 are Very good radio for an entry level if money 00:34:03.380 --> 00:34:06.099 is no object. I would say go with a Motorola 00:34:06.099 --> 00:34:11.099 I spent five years with a Motorola service station 00:34:11.099 --> 00:34:14.679 in Indianapolis a very large Motorola dealer 00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:18.440 in the state of Indiana And that's kind of how 00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:21.340 I got started with DMR. You know I learned about 00:34:21.340 --> 00:34:26.420 the product I studied it Selling it in servicing 00:34:26.420 --> 00:34:30.599 it in the LMR community And then finding out 00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:33.760 that it's been implemented in the amateur community, 00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:38.300 it was like Christmas morning. So I would say 00:34:38.300 --> 00:34:41.159 if money is no object, go with a Motorola product. 00:34:41.300 --> 00:34:44.480 You can't go wrong with it. Built like a tank. 00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:47.599 You know, the unfortunate thing with Motorola 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:50.019 is that they charge for everything. So you will 00:34:50.019 --> 00:34:53.599 have to pay for a programming cable and they 00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:56.739 do have some fees for their licensing for their 00:34:56.739 --> 00:34:59.639 software. Some of the other products such as 00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:03.519 Titerra The connect systems radios they offer 00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:08.539 their software for free So again, I think it 00:35:08.539 --> 00:35:11.019 just comes down to how many dollars you want 00:35:11.019 --> 00:35:15.960 to spend All right, very good well Ryan maybe 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:21.260 you need to think about some DMR stuff I'll definitely 00:35:21.260 --> 00:35:23.739 think about it. I've I've been looking to get 00:35:23.739 --> 00:35:27.389 into digital HF Big thing for me is that I just 00:35:27.389 --> 00:35:29.949 don't want to choke up the money for a sound 00:35:29.949 --> 00:35:32.369 card interface. They're so ridiculously overpriced, 00:35:32.409 --> 00:35:34.789 but that's another story. But I've been thinking 00:35:34.789 --> 00:35:40.829 about getting into to PSK. I enjoy it. Now, actually, 00:35:40.829 --> 00:35:43.769 that brings up something that we were talking 00:35:43.769 --> 00:35:46.210 about before the show started. Tony, why don't 00:35:46.210 --> 00:35:49.309 you talk a little bit about the the dongle thing? 00:35:49.929 --> 00:35:55.019 Yeah, so D -Star has had dongle technology for 00:35:55.019 --> 00:35:59.460 quite some time now. They call that a DVAP, I 00:35:59.460 --> 00:36:03.719 believe is what the D -Star version was. A dongle 00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:09.840 basically is nothing more than a radio, a digital 00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:15.099 radio broadcasts on a frequency, and it's an 00:36:15.099 --> 00:36:18.179 interface for you to operate your digital radio, 00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:24.250 whether it be D -Star, System Fusion, DMR, They 00:36:24.250 --> 00:36:28.429 are testing some P25 and they have just recently 00:36:28.429 --> 00:36:33.769 introduced a NexEdge variant as well into the 00:36:33.769 --> 00:36:36.909 interface. And it allows you, if you're not within 00:36:36.909 --> 00:36:41.829 range of a repeater, to be able to access digital 00:36:41.829 --> 00:36:46.369 modes via your computer. Kind of looks like a 00:36:46.369 --> 00:36:49.130 very large thumb drive. If you remember thumb 00:36:49.130 --> 00:36:51.550 drives when they first came out, they were three 00:36:51.550 --> 00:36:55.889 or four inches long and quite bulky. Now I can't 00:36:55.889 --> 00:36:57.610 seem to keep track of any of the thumb drives 00:36:57.610 --> 00:37:00.389 I have because they've all gotten too small so 00:37:00.389 --> 00:37:05.969 they has a SMA antenna jack on it for your for 00:37:05.969 --> 00:37:10.530 your antenna and basically it converts your computer 00:37:10.530 --> 00:37:14.750 into a radio over IP interface. There's a graphic 00:37:14.750 --> 00:37:17.969 user interface that allows you to select different 00:37:17.969 --> 00:37:20.429 talk groups or reflectors depending on which 00:37:20.429 --> 00:37:25.590 mode you operate with it. There's a huge community 00:37:25.590 --> 00:37:29.349 now for support. They are constantly adding new 00:37:29.349 --> 00:37:32.510 features to it. Although it's a newer technology, 00:37:32.650 --> 00:37:35.210 within the last couple of years, it has come 00:37:35.210 --> 00:37:39.869 by leaps and bounds. And it is a very cool way 00:37:39.869 --> 00:37:42.250 to experience digital if you don't live within 00:37:42.250 --> 00:37:46.190 range of a digital repeater, whether that be 00:37:46.190 --> 00:37:51.280 a D -Star or DMR or Fusion. So there's another 00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:55.840 option for you, Ryan. Yeah, so let me just clarify. 00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:58.380 So pretty much with this dongle, you plug it 00:37:58.380 --> 00:38:02.039 into your computer and you make your own D star 00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:06.179 slash DMR repeater on your computer. Right. It 00:38:06.179 --> 00:38:10.139 basically is, if you could think of it as a hotspot, 00:38:10.139 --> 00:38:14.159 if you will. It only broadcasts at 12 milliwatts, 00:38:14.179 --> 00:38:17.119 or at least the version that I have broadcasts 00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:19.000 at 12 milliwatts. So it doesn't have a lot of 00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.480 range. If you get more than about 30 or 40 feet 00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:26.360 away from it you kind of lose it, but Yeah, I 00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:29.679 mean you're making your You're making your personal 00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:32.519 gateway right basically. That's exactly that's 00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:35.619 exactly you you've created a digital voice gateway 00:38:35.619 --> 00:38:40.360 via your computer That's something I could get 00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:43.739 into it Yeah, if you there's you know if you 00:38:43.739 --> 00:38:46.780 use the product that I have is called a DV for 00:38:46.780 --> 00:38:53.050 many Delta Victor for many And it allows for 00:38:53.050 --> 00:38:55.769 the implementation of several different digital 00:38:55.769 --> 00:39:01.230 technologies. So if you do a search on Google 00:39:01.230 --> 00:39:04.530 for it, or if you go onto Facebook and do a Facebook 00:39:04.530 --> 00:39:06.670 search for DV4, there's a lot of support groups 00:39:06.670 --> 00:39:11.110 that surround it. Lots of technical minds, much 00:39:11.110 --> 00:39:15.230 smarter than me. So yeah, it's definitely a cool 00:39:15.230 --> 00:39:18.940 technology. I just recently bought into it. I'm 00:39:18.940 --> 00:39:25.119 very impressed with it. Jerry Purcell, we were 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:30.679 talking about him, KC9ZAR, is rebuilding his 00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:34.059 analog system and he has a question. Do we need 00:39:34.059 --> 00:39:38.460 a DMR repeater in Washington, Indiana? Tony, 00:39:38.579 --> 00:39:42.780 since you know the Hoosier DMR network, what's 00:39:42.780 --> 00:39:47.940 the coverage down in that area? Will echo what 00:39:47.940 --> 00:39:52.460 was told to me once by Greg Dean in nine NWO 00:39:52.460 --> 00:39:56.039 He once told me that I think we need a DMR repeater 00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:59.139 in every county in the state of Indiana So that's 00:39:59.139 --> 00:40:01.440 my official answer. I think we should have a 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:05.920 DMR repeater in Washington I'm working on trying 00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:08.960 to move my Bloomington repeater to a better home 00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:14.070 with a little bit more height and I think to 00:40:14.070 --> 00:40:18.369 offer DMR along the I -69 corridor between Indianapolis 00:40:18.369 --> 00:40:21.329 and Evansville, Washington would definitely be 00:40:21.329 --> 00:40:24.869 a prime location for that. Well, there you go, 00:40:25.010 --> 00:40:28.710 Jerry. There's another project for you. Just 00:40:28.710 --> 00:40:34.449 what Jerry needs, another project. Exactly. All 00:40:34.449 --> 00:40:38.309 right. Well, we're just about to run out of time 00:40:38.309 --> 00:40:40.570 here. So if you've got a question, fire it in 00:40:40.570 --> 00:40:45.039 here. in the chat room or on Twitter at HamTalk 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:49.000 Live. And we'll see if we can squeeze it in. 00:40:49.059 --> 00:40:52.679 We just have a couple of minutes remaining. But 00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.840 Ryan, thanks for giving us a call. Yeah, no problem. 00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:00.880 Thank you, Tony. Oh, thank you, Ryan. I appreciate 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:06.099 the call. And again, pass on my congratulatory 00:41:06.099 --> 00:41:09.400 remarks to your father. Will do. Thank you very 00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:15.000 much. okay yeah Jerry says it's only time and 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:20.340 money those are the two big things time and money 00:41:20.340 --> 00:41:24.340 yeah I've done done a lot with the wide area 00:41:24.340 --> 00:41:27.619 analog system and we're kind of tearing some 00:41:27.619 --> 00:41:30.920 of that stuff you know back a little bit yeah 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:37.550 it is it's it's time and money so So thanks Tony 00:41:37.550 --> 00:41:40.750 some some really good information tonight. We're 00:41:40.750 --> 00:41:44.070 glad that you had a chance to come on Yeah, my 00:41:44.070 --> 00:41:46.570 pleasure and tell us a little bit about the EMR 00:41:46.570 --> 00:41:48.650 and we'll have to have to get into that a little 00:41:48.650 --> 00:41:52.309 bit more Yeah, anytime you have any questions, 00:41:52.650 --> 00:41:55.489 you know, you can Give me a call. I'm always 00:41:55.489 --> 00:41:58.909 available. So yeah, actually before we go Why 00:41:58.909 --> 00:42:02.590 don't you you give out your your contact information? 00:42:02.889 --> 00:42:06.690 Yeah, absolutely. You can find me on Facebook. 00:42:07.349 --> 00:42:13.250 It is facebook .com slash w9amt. And you can 00:42:13.250 --> 00:42:17.329 also, if you'd like, shoot me an email, w9amt 00:42:17.329 --> 00:42:22.650 at comcast dot net. All right. Very good. Well, 00:42:22.650 --> 00:42:24.650 thank you so much for coming on this evening 00:42:24.650 --> 00:42:28.489 and filling us in on DMR. My pleasure. Thank 00:42:28.489 --> 00:42:31.610 you, Neil. All right. Well, that's a wrap for 00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:34.679 This week's edition of HamTalk Live I'd like 00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:38.639 to thank my guest Tony Tolbert W9AMT and everyone 00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:41.099 for listening and calling in and invite you all 00:42:41.099 --> 00:42:43.739 back next Thursday night at 9 p .m. Eastern Time 00:42:43.739 --> 00:42:47.079 and our guest will be Charlie Emerson in for 00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:50.420 OKL he's the chairman of the Huntsville Hamfest 00:42:50.420 --> 00:42:53.460 and he'll be here to talk about the upcoming 00:42:53.460 --> 00:42:57.559 Huntsville Hamfest next weekend. For a list of 00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:00.800 all of our upcoming guests be sure to visit HamTalkLive 00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:05.650 .com So for now this is Neil Rapp WB9VPG saying 00:43:05.650 --> 00:43:09.590 seven three seven five and may the good DX be 00:43:09.590 --> 00:43:10.250 yours