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St. Cloud, Minnesota has been licensed since
1962. Ralph's passions have been DXing, contesting,
and DXpeditions. Ralph's been on several trips,
including Navassa, Amsterdam Island, Malpello.
Bhutan, Peter One, and Saba Island, just to name
a few. Ralph is currently organizing and fundraising
for the Bouvet Island De -Expedition, which he
will be talking to us about tonight. Ralph is
a retired doctor and radiologist and an extra
class operator. He's operated from 27 different
countries. He's a member of multiple radio societies.
And he's on the board of the directors the International
DX Association and has been elected to the DX
Hall of Fame Ralph Thanks for joining us tonight
on ham talk live. Well my pleasure Neil. Thank
you for asking me Yeah, now as I was putting
together a list of guests for the show Originally
I had noted that Your plan was to go to Crozet
Soon, but then I saw that had changed to Bouvet
Island, so Tell us about the switch there and
why that happened Okay, Neil. Well the Crozet
Island is in the southern Indian Ocean It's managed
by the French the organization that manages manages
it is called TAF In 2014, we did a de -expedition
to Amsterdam Island, again, one of the French
islands. We had developed an excellent relationship
with TAF and the French team that was on Amsterdam.
It was a very successful de -expedition. I think
we netted 170 ,000 QSOs. And at that time, we
were almost encouraged to do a de -expedition
to Crozet. And we started planning for that.
But things change. TAF renews and rotates its
staff every couple of years. We lost some of
the contacts that we have there, some new people
came on board who didn't know us, and so we were
unfamiliar to them again. Crozet is a very pristine
environment, and the French have done a wonderful
time, or have done a wonderful job of keeping
out non -native species and preserving the island,
and understandably, when a new group of administrators
have something like a de -expedition plan across
their desk, they get a little concerned. This
is unfamiliar territory for them. And they ask
some questions like, will biosecurity of the
island be preserved? Is wildlife going to be
affected? How are 14 ham radio operators coming
on this island going to change the lives of the
15 people who are on staff there? And, you know,
what threat are these people going to bring?
They're arriving from seven different countries.
What possibly could they bring with them that
would harm the island? So they had a lot of concerns.
Some of them were just because they didn't understand
and know. But in the end, the new staff at TAF
didn't feel comfortable granting us a landing
permit, and they denied it. And so we had to
refocus on something else, and that something
else is now Bouvet Island. Which actually if
I have my geography correct isn't all that much
of a Location change is that right? It is Relatively
the same latitude it is probably maybe a couple
thousand miles from from Crozet Maybe a little
less than that, but it's you know it's in the
same Weather, environment. Well, I guess the
weather's a little harsher on Bouvet. But, you
know, it's one of the sub -Antarctic islands,
as is Crozet. Okay. Well, tell us a little bit
about your new location, Bouvet Island, and some
of the challenges that you expect to face on
this trip. And the Peter Wine Island expedition
was kind of... big deal to me because I was friends
with one of the crew and we actually talked to
them from our high school ham radio club that
I sponsor and you know was able to talk to Gary
down there and then the video oh and his and
his nephew was actually in in the club at the
time and then the video kind of inspired the
young ham of the year Padraig a few years later.
So that the expedition has always been very special
to me and I suspect this one's going to be kind
of similar at least as far as the weather goes.
Yeah it will be. Bouvet is a little farther north
so you would expect it to be perhaps a little
bit milder but it really isn't. It's at about
54 degrees 24 minutes south and 3 degrees 22
minutes east. And we've heard the term the roaring
forties of Bouvet is in the furious fifties.
It's about 19 square miles in size. It's about
95 to 97 % ice covered. It's the most isolated
island in the world. If you were to draw a circle
around it with a radius of 1 ,000 miles, there
would be no other landmass within it and very
few people. Narrow that circle to 500 miles,
and there are almost certainly no other people
in it. The island is basically surrounded by
ice and rock cliffs. Strong winds produce high
surf. Temperatures that we will encounter will
be within a few degrees plus or minus freezing.
It's windy. We can expect winds of 70 miles an
hour or more, so we need adequate shelters. It
can snow and sleet and drizzle. It's surrounded
often by low clouds and fog, which presents a
problem for helicopter flying, which we will
have to do. A lot of the easy, and I use easy
as a relative term, a lot of the easier places
to access are off -limits or restricted. So our
permit grants us helicopter access to the Slackallet
Glacier. on the east side of the island. We'll
be based there at about 600 feet above sea level.
We've looked at the topographical maps and so
on to find the flattest area that we can to minimize
the risk of avalanches and crevasses. But we
are exposed and very much like we were on Peter
1. So there are similarities. Both of them are
tough. Bouvet may challenge us even more with
the clouds and fog situation. Yeah, and I remember
on Peter 1 the fog was definitely a concern there
and so that scares me that you're expecting it
to be even worse. Just be glad you're not the
helicopter pilot. Yeah, yeah, I guess so. Well,
so have you picked out some equipment yet or
are you gonna go with something a little different
with equipment this time or what? What are your
what are your plans so far on on the rigs and
on antennas? Well, we're doing a little groundbreaking
there We're taking flex radios the SDR software
-defined radios and this will probably be their
first airing on a major de -expedition Our antennas
are basically going to be our our standard venue.
We'll use the Aggies on the high bands and verticals
on the low bands We want to do a no compromise
operation as much as we can with adequate power,
adequate antennas, because trips like this can't
happen very frequently, maybe every 15 years
or so, simply because they cost so much. So we're
taking the best equipment that we can to try
to do the best job we can. If there's an open
band, we'd like to have two stations on that
band, one on sideband and one on CW or RTTY,
so we can get as many people in the log as possible.
Well, that sounds great. And I'm interested to
hear that you're going to try the flex, because
we've had a lot of guests on the show. We've
talked about de -expeditions, other de -expeditions,
and we've talked about contesting and some of
those things. That interests me, that you're
going to take that leap and give it a shot. Well,
I think we can do some interesting things with
them. We can put the radios off to the side,
stack them up on a box or a table or something.
and just have the computer and a paddle on the
operating desk so we can have a lot more compact
stations. We don't have to have as much stuff
in front of us. And, of course, the radios are
renowned for their performance, so we're looking
forward to that. Yeah, I'm really anxious to
hear how that goes, and that could well be a
groundbreaking thing for the future. The expeditions
that may follow suit on that so be interested
to hear how that goes Well, tell us a little
bit about raising the money because this isn't
cheap. So tell us about raising the money and
and how people can Contribute to the cause and
help you out to get that That all important QSL
card and getting the log Okay. Well It is expensive,
as you alluded to. We have a budget of $610 ,000.
50 % of that cost will be borne by the 20 team
members. This is something we've done in previous
DXpeditions where the team pays half the cost
and then we hope that the DX community will help
us with the other half. This comes from clubs,
from foundations. We get equipment from commercial
sponsors and then individuals, whether they contribute
$5 or $5 ,000. You know, it all helps. This primarily
comes through us, through spreading the word
on our website, which is www .bouvadx .org, through
newsletters, bulletins, and word of mouth. And
we try to make this as easy as possible with
all the stuff you need on our website and PayPal
and so forth. Our experience with working with
the DX community with this agreement, the 50
-50, has been very positive in the past. And
our support has been excellent on previous de
-expeditions. And since we've gone public, which
is probably, what, a month, five weeks or something
like that, we've had a lot of interest and very
enthusiastic support so far. So the numbers are
very big. Transportation and the helicopter are
the big ticket items in there. And so far we're
encouraged, but we have a long way to go. Yeah,
now I did notice on some of the new sites that
just in the last week you made a big announcement
toward this. So tell us a little bit about that.
Well, let's see We have Let me back up a little
bit. We started this process in 2007 after we
completed the peer 1d expedition We submitted
a request for a permit to land on bouvet that
was approved and That was the easy part getting
getting a permit and the license is actually
easy You have to define the scope and scale of
the operation, which involves transportation,
landing, location, the infrastructure you're
going to bring with you, the footprint of your
operation, the number of people, how you're going
to mitigate against adverse effects on the environment,
your safety precautions, contingencies, and so
on. This is all time consuming, but it's doable.
And after you've got the permit, the license
is kind of a no -brainer. But the hardest part,
and the one that takes the time, is finding the
reliable, safe, affordable transportation that's
available at the right time, with the right ship
to be in the right place, and so forth. And this
has to be during the bouvet summer when the weather
is, in quotes, good. Throw in the need for a
helicopter because beach landings are very hazardous.
It's difficult enough to get people ashore, let
alone equipment. And this process took us eight
years before we could find the right combination
of ship time and cost. So hence that permit process
dating back to 2007. Took us eight years to do
that. We put together a team in eight days. So
that tells you a little bit about how difficult
it is. Yeah, wow. So this this announcement was
that you know, everything's coming together Yeah,
and we we do have our pilot team in place I think
since the announcement we decided to add a VK
ZL pilot so he is now on board so we've got a
chief pilot and six sub pilots to Be an interface
between the DX audience and us on the island
Sounds like things are coming together very well
and so Hopefully that will continue and everything
will go just fine on that Well, it's time to
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you have a question for Ralph K0IR, the phone
number to call is 812 -NET -HAM -1. That's 812...
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Ralph why? Send those on in again the phone number
probably the easiest way eight one two net ham
one So we'll we'll see if we get some calls here
While we're waiting on that. I'm gonna ask you
about the cold now It seems like you've been
on an awful lot of these polar region the expeditions
is there Is there a preference there for the
cold? Well, let's see. I'm from Minnesota, so
I guess I'm kind of used to that. And if you're
looking for rare entities or rare DX places to
go, they seem to be divided into two categories,
the geographically isolated and the politically
isolated. And to me, the geographically isolated
is a lot safer than the politically isolated.
And a lot of the geographically isolated places
happen to be in the sub -Antarctic, so that's
kind of how that has come to be. And I guess
I'm a little more comfortable in the cold than
I am the heat, because you can only take off
so much clothing, but you can always put on more.
Well, that's true. So I guess that's that's kind
of why I I've ended up in the polar places a
little bit more Sounds sounds fair eight one
two net ham one is the phone number again eight
one two net ham one We're talking bouvet island
the expedition tonight with Ralph Fedor k0i are
so How do you deal with this extreme cold? Now
again, I go back to Peter Wan. I look at that
video and I see what you guys had to go through
on that island and how much wind and cold. So
what are some of the things that you have to
do to be somewhat comfortable in that cold environment?
Okay, well let's start with the skin and kind
of work our way out. One of the things that you
need to be doing is to wick away any moisture
in the form of perspiration. So you need to have
undergarments that will wick that moisture away,
usually polypropylene, silk, or wool would be
the garments of choice. Cotton is known as death
cloth in the Antarctic. because it stays wet,
does not discharge moisture, and of course, if
you're cold and you're wet, hypothermia comes
along and you're gonna have all sorts of serious
problems. Over top of this wicking material,
it's a matter of layering, and that depends on
how cold it is, how many layers you put on. And
then your outer layer has to be something that's
windproof and it definitely needs to be waterproof.
It needs to be a fabric similar to Gore -Tex
so that you will not let moisture through but
it will still breathe and you can remain comfortable.
I always tell people there's two things they
have to pay particular attention to. One is their
feet and one is their head. If your feet get
wet and cold early on, you're not going to have
a very good time. and the head is one of the
major sources of heat loss because of the rich
vascularity of the scalp. So managing what you
have on your head is important. You need to either
preserve heat by keeping a warm lid on your head,
or if you're getting a little bit warm, taking
that lid off helps your body dump the heat that
you're building up. For example, if you're working
hard or something, take your hat off and let
that blood radiate that excess body heat into
the air. In a nutshell, that's kind of it, I
guess. You have to pay attention to what's going
on. Be aware of what the signs of hypothermia
are. Watch your buddies and make sure your buddies
are watching you. Now, what about your operating
tents and the equipment? How do you take care
of that? Okay. We will likely have four shelters
on the island. One shelter will be our operating
site where we will have all the stations and
where people go to do their shifts. This will
be heated to some extent. We will also have a
kitchen area and we've come to refer to this
as the MEG, meeting, eating, greeting, where
you go to eat and kind of hang out. And that
will have some heat. The sleeping shelters we
will not heat. For safety reasons if someone
stumbles or gets out of bed or moves the wrong
way and they knock a heater over Fire is a real
danger and you don't want to do that. So our
sleeping quarters will not be heated which introduces
another problem because when you are Breathing
you exhale moist air that moisture will then
condense on the roof of the shelter and you will
have rain inside the shelter, water dripping
down, getting you wet. So you need to have waterproof
sleeping bags when you're in these shelters.
And sometimes you can put a little liner or something
between the ceiling or just below the ceiling,
and the moisture will collect above that liner
and run down the sides. So there's a number of
things to think about. But basically, four shelters,
two for sleeping, which will not be heated. One
for operating, which will be heated, and one
for meeting, eating, and greeting, which will
also be heated. 812 -NET -HAM -1 is the phone
number, 812 -NET -HAM -1, or send us a tweet
at HamTalk Live, or you can comment on the site
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don't see any questions. So send us some questions
about these Antarctic region trips that that
Ralph's been on The Other thing that we probably
should talk about and I always ask this whenever
any you know Bob or any of the the expedition
people come on the show is always What's your
advice to the people that are? Here that are
trying to get you in the log down there what?
What piece of is of what pieces of advice do
you have? To those operators that are that are
trying to get a hold of you down there, okay
Well, I guess first of all listen to what the
DX operator is telling you as far as instructions
worries listening and so forth The other thing
that I think, let me give you this scenario.
If I'm standing in the middle of a NFL stadium
and everyone in the stands is shouting their
name at me and I have to try to pick out a name,
that's kind of what it's like being on the DXpedition
side of the operation. And the only way I can
pick that name out sometimes is if you're a little
different, something that separates you or makes
you different from everybody else. And in DXing,
that difference may be the speed at which you're
sending. It may be that you shift just a little
bit off frequency from where everybody else is.
And on voice, that may be why YL's get an extra
3 dB. There you go. There you go. So, try to
make yourself different in some way. If you're
slugging it out in the middle of the pile up
and that's not working for you, Try to go to
the edge a little bit. We've got these wonderful
flex radios. So if we see this little signal,
you know, bleeping up and down beside the pile
-up, we may just say, hey, you know, there's
a QRP guy, let's go get him. So be different,
stand out. Very good. Some good tips there to
do. What about the call signs? Do you like the
whole call sign? Partial call signs? What's your
take on that? Whole call signs. I think just
about everybody will tell you that. If I get
a partial, sometimes that's all I'm going to
get and I have to work with that. But every time
I get a full call sign, I can almost guarantee
there's an extra QSO coming because I don't have
to go back and get the rest of that call sign.
So if I get the whole call sign the first time,
I'm probably going to get an extra person in
the log because of that. Very good. 812 NatTam1
is the phone number for Ralph Fedor, K0IR. And
how many of these trips have you been on now,
Ralph? Let's see. I think this will be number
15. Now, some of these had multiple locations
or two stops, like when we went to South Sandwich
in South Georgia. Actually, I've made that route
twice. I've only counted that as one de -expedition,
but there were more than one stop. So I think
this will be my 15th. Real trips, you know? And
you're the doctor, so you're the retired doctor,
so what are the medical risks of going on one
of these trips? I mean, you know, you're not
gonna pick up the phone and call 911. You can,
but it's not gonna do any good. That's right,
they're not gonna be able to help you too much.
The minor things we have to be aware of and we
can deal with them. Major problems. If somebody
has a heart attack, somebody throws a pulmonary
embolus, somebody has a dissecting aneurysm,
or something like that, we're not an intensive
care unit, we're not a coronary care unit, nor
will we ever will be. And about all we can offer
in that situation is comfort. There are inherent
risks in this. We encourage everybody to have
a thorough physical examination. We collect medical
histories from people. If we see something there
that we think places that individual at additional
risk and the team at additional risk, we have
a discussion about that. So we have to think
about all the scenarios ahead of time. Sometimes
we have to tell people, you know, this just really
isn't a wise decision on your part. You're on
anticoagulants or you have a condition that if
it erupts, we just can't deal with it out there.
Probably the most difficult situation I've had
to deal with as a physician on one of these trips
has been psychiatric problems. There's a lot
of stress. If you're claustrophobic, that may
bother you because there's not a lot of space
to share. Panic attacks can occur. And I've dealt
with that. There's a variety of things. And an
interesting thing here, I just thought of this.
We had an individual on one of our trips who
became psychotic. Didn't know who he was, where
he was, who the people around him were. Was disorientated,
time, place, and person. Big strong guy if he'd
gotten violent It could have been a problem if
he had wandered out onto the deck and fallen
over overboard that would have or of course been
a problem and The issue was the scopolamine a
little patch that you put behind your ear If
you think one patch is good, so two might be
better That might not be a very wise decision
or if you buy a brand where the absorption rate
is unknown Perhaps it's from offshore That can
be a problem. So a lot of things to think about
and things we, you know, you just don't think
of right away. Yeah, it's a very, very strenuous
time, I'm sure. And how long are you planning
on on making this trip? This will be about a
seven week window door to door. Most of the time
is going to be sent getting there and getting
back. We can figure on two weeks to get there,
two weeks to get back and two to three weeks
on the island. Okay, so two to three weeks on
the island and then getting there and back and
did I read correctly that you're probably going
through Chile again? Very likely. If things go
as planned that will be our departure point.
We don't know that for sure because the ship
might get a contract that takes it to another
part of the world. For example, if they have
something they can do in Madagascar before they
pick us up, then it would make more sense to
go over to Cape Town, South Africa and take us
from there. But as things stand right now, Punta
Arenas, Chile is probably where we will depart.
Very good. Well, Ralph, thank you so much for
coming on, and again, give us the website and
how people can donate to help you out with the
fundraising. Okay, the website is www .bouvet
.dx. That's B -O -U -V -E -T dot D -X. And if
you just go on the site, you know, there will
be opportunities for you to help us out. You'll
find them. Okay, very good. Well, I hope some
people can go over there and learn more about
the the trip and the island and get some Some
good stuff going up there was on the site the
other day and then can help out with the funding
so Head on over there to move adx org, right?
That is correct. Okay Very good. Well, thank
you so much Ralph for taking the time to come
on the show We've had some people asking for
you and oh actually We've got a call coming in.
So let me get let me go ahead and we'll squeeze
this in here We have just a couple of minutes,
but let me see if we can and now we're running
into Our technical problems again, maybe not.
Oh, okay. There we go. Hello. Who's this? hello
hello oh we lost the call we'll see if we get
a get a call back here again oh yeah we've just
got a couple of minutes so we're gonna have to
wrap things up pretty quickly so okay yeah looks
like we've lost lost the call there so maybe
they can send an email to us and we can get that
question off to you. So again thanks Ralph for
coming on the show sure appreciate it and best
of luck on the trip. Okay Neil well thank you
much for having me and I hope we get you and
all your listeners in our log not once not twice
but multiple times. Well I sure hope so hopefully
we can make that happen. Well, this is a wrap
for this week's HamTalk Live. Thanks again to
Ralph Fedor, KZeroIR, and everyone out there
listening in cyberspace, and I invite you back
next Thursday night at 9 p .m. Eastern Time when...
Lou Malchik into our queue. We'll be here to
talk about the upcoming school club roundup and
how you can participate even if you're not involved
with a school. And for a list of all of our upcoming
guests, visit HamTalkLive .com. So for now, this
is Neil Rapp, WB9VPG, saying 7 -3, 7 -5, and
may the good DX be yours. Thank you