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HamTalk Live episode number 36. Getting started
with D -Star recorded live on Thursday, October
20th, 2016. I'm your host, Neil Rapp, WB9VPG.
Thanks for tuning in to this episode of HamTalk
Live. Tonight, we'll be joined by Charles Johnston
III, W8KWA, the author of a free ebook called
D -Star for dummies, and we'll take your calls
live in just a few minutes. Last week on the
show, Marty Sulaway, KC1, Chicken with Fries
was here to talk about setting up remote operations.
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for sure. You can tweet us at ham talk live and,
uh, we'll, we'll give Skype a try. You can call
us at ham talk live, but, uh, we're having some
group calling issues tonight and, uh, Charles
power just came back on. So, uh, we're fighting
a few technical glitches here. So, uh, we're
not sure if we can take phone calls, uh, tonight.
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but we'll, uh, we'll see how that goes, but,
uh, it looks like we may not have the phone line.
available tonight so if you can send those in
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that will go to the screen here and we can put
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a good way to do that tonight. So I'll be back
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most of those podcasting websites as well. Charles
Johnston, W8KWA Charles Johnston III actually
is a third generation amateur radio operator.
He received his general class license in 2008.
He lives in Columbus, Ohio and Charles mostly
operates D -Star on the two meter band and is
often found on the W8CMH node. He ran the former
central Ohio D star net on Thursdays the net
is gone but the website is still there and his
book w8 kwa's D star for dummies is posted there
so Charles thanks a lot for joining us on am
talk live tonight thank you no problem well apparently
it is a problem the power company wasn't cooperating
with you but Uh, we're glad. We've had no severe
weather around here and all of a sudden, all
of a sudden it's like seven o 'clock hits and
the power goes blank. Gone. No warnings, no flickering,
nothing. Well, that happens. And in fact, uh,
we've had, uh, All kinds of issues we've been
fighting over here at the school that I teach
at trying to get Antennas and towers and everything
going so that's kind of been par for the course
for me for the last Last week or two. Well, let's
get on to this D star thing. So You've gone out
and you bought a D star capable radio like maybe
an icon ID 51 or The new Kenwood TH -D74A. What
do you have to do to set up that radio to get
on D -Star? Okay, this is a common question.
When I started the D -Star for dummies, it was
because I became the local D -Star expert. I
got hired as soon as I'd go on the air. How do
you do the D -Star? How do you? Okay. So you
wrote it all out. When it boils down to it, you
start asking the first set of questions. Did
you get the data cable or the programming cable
that goes with that rig? If not turn around go
back to the candy store. Go get the cable If
not, you will find the programming it tends to
be a rather large pain in the rear end Once after
you get that then you sit down explain the what
is the D star stack? You have a magic arrow that
points to the four Four spots that you have to
have filled out. In addition to the regular stuff
you would normally have to program your rig with.
If you understand how to program your rig, then
all you need to do is understand the D star core
essentials. That's the infamous magic arrow.
You start off with the first position, which
is the my call. That's where you put your call
sign. Unlike EchoLink or anything... Any of the
other stuff you just put your call sign in. So
mine would be W8KWA. No dash 1, no dash A, no
space L. Just your call sign. That's going to
be the same for every one of the entries listed
in the memory. This is why these radios are coming
out with like a thousand memories. Because each
one of these commands is going to take up a memory
slot. The next item is how are you going to connect
to the repeater? Well, you have a stack. Imagine
books labeled A through E. Now all you need to
worry about is A, B, and C. You'll be referring
to this as all of the C's will be 2 meters, all
of the B's will be 440, and the A's will be the
1 .2 gigahertz. They'll be listed as the cosine,
And in the last character will be their letter.
So for example, W8CMH, if I'm coming in to the
B node, would be W8CMH, the last letter of C,
since I'm coming into the C node on two meters.
That's your repeer one. So it comes in from me
to that particular node, then we need to talk
to the gateway. The gateway is... or repeater
two is always going to be that call sign and
the G in the last character spot. So you got
my call and the repeater into deviate CMHC. That's
repeater one slot. Repeater two slot will be
the gateway. We have to report to the gateway.
This prevents people from stepping all over each
other or doubling, especially coming in and coming
out of the system. That's your repeater two.
So deviate CMH. and the G and the eighth position.
The fourth one, that's your command. That's what
you're going to tell it to do. Normally it's
just CQ, CQ, CQ three times in a row. There are
many different commands that do different things,
but that's the key one. So if I want to talk
to W8CMH node C, I need to have listed in there
the frequency, the stuff you normally have for
repeater, then My call which some reason software
likes to put it in different places RT systems
versus icon But it's basically yet. You have
to have that in there then you have the repeater
one that gate CMH node C repeater two is w8 CMH
and G in the last position and then the CQ CQ
CQ as the your call position Don't ask me why
they call it this it's all originated from Japan
got translated, then IBM, then ICOM got a hold
of it, and it kind of went sideways from there.
That will get you talking locally. The second
part is, where's the nearest local D star repeater?
That's what you're going to call your home. That's
the one you need to look up and you need to get
registered with. Registration takes anywhere
from one to three days. How that works is you
go onto a website where the They have the repeaters
listed. It's listed in my book. You find your
repeater, go through the registration process.
It's usually a website. Give them your your call
sign. It takes a couple of days because essentially
sends an email to the repeater owner and he adds
you to the database and then it takes one to
three days to propagate and then you'll be able
to connect out. The rest of it is basically the
same lines except for different commands you
want to use. like how to check on a, is it connected,
how to unlink, how to link, how to node hop,
how to connect by call sign, how to connect to
a reflector, and how to disconnect it all. That's
your simple basics for it. All right, very good.
Well, there's a lot of things to consider and
set up there, so. Uh, you do have this, this
book that goes along with it and we want to,
uh, mention that, but, uh, what's the, uh, the
easiest way to get hold of, uh, this book online.
Well, I've told people, uh, it's just go to Google
search for w eight KWA D star for dummies. It's
usually one of the top three links. Uh, unfortunately
I'm a. Ham radio operator on a very very very
strict budget and Google's was the only one that
allowed a free website So unfortunately what
with that comes? Rather long URL Very good. Well,
it's on there and I've that's how I found you
so That that should work. So just go to Google
and again that call sign is w8kwa and look that
up and the D star for dummies and and you should
find that and you've got several versions out
there and Believe the latest version is four.
Is that right? right This D star What since icons
and picking up and things from gathering storm
they have the generation one rig Generation 2
rig and right now they're on generation 3 Now
well the difference is the protocol is identical,
but how you get your information in there? Tends
to hop through several different loops for example
I started out with an ID 800 it only shows six
characters on the screen So seeing what you've
got put in there. It's a lot of memorization
that you've got to go through on top of that
plus You know there they charged for the software
something like 30 40 bucks for that original
software. So you know It was really really painful
to enter an in especially for a new user who?
Doesn't really know about the star It was a nightmare
At least the book itself started out with as
I mentioned People were confused. They'd asked
as soon as I get on the air. It was Talk to Charles
he's the D star expert. Okay so I basically had
to work them through it and I get tired of going
on the air and you know I get on the air and
it would be nothing but D star tech support.
It's like okay I need to write all this down
so I can just say okay go get this book read
it that should get you from zero to on air. That's
all it was supposed to do for the Columbus Ohio
Hams So I broke it down to me being an open source
junkie. I built it out, put everything in there,
and et cetera. Well, as time marched on, new
rigs came out, and people started changing terminology.
ICOM was notoriously bad about poor manuals when
it comes to explaining VSTAR. A lot of people
got a lot of things confused and went, hey, you
know, I can talk to my buddy on the repeater.
Doesn't matter. I'm stomping all over the internet.
That's all that matters and I'm bad operating
so a lot of going through and correcting that
plus there were other options that the manual
didn't explain right my father Purchased a book
which didn't explain it, right? So as soon as
I tore through the book and figured out what
exactly it meant I went okay. I need to write
it from one hand perspective you This is what
you need to put in to make it do this. It's what
you need to put in to make it do that Okay Generation
2 rigs come out. Some changes, others not so
much. Then Generation 3 comes out, where ICOM
says, well, we're going to put a chip with a
snapshot of all the D -Star repeaters. So they
can click, here I am, and have it magically fill
in. Well, that's all well and good, but they
don't add status commands. Like, well, here's
this new repeater. I'm on vacation. Didn't get
a chance to add in the unlink or is this link
command so far as I know I could talk to my buddy
there on the island and well I'm going across
the internet and everybody on the West Coast
is hearing me Okay, what else is new so all these
different new things kept popping up like the
Open star I believe it's open star the open source
version of the repeater software that came out
Plus you had extra reflectors Those came out.
Those couldn't even agree on the standard set
of commands. It's like, okay, well, each one
of these had a new version attached to it where
I'd tweak a few things, explain it a little better,
et cetera. So it made it to version four. I don't
have any access to generation three gear like
the 51, so I can't write a how -to on how to
program it. But all the core information that's
in D -Star for Dummies works with all three.
The protocol is fixed. It's created by JRL out
in Japan. It's not an ICOM only thing. But the
core material is solid. The rest of it is just,
how do I get this information into the rig? All
right. Well, in addition to the handhelds and
the mobiles, there's a lot of people that are
starting to use these USB dongles on their computer.
to get on D -Star and we're not going to get
into those so much tonight because we're just
trying to keep it pretty simple and pretty generic,
but tell us a little bit about the possibilities
of doing this, not necessarily getting into all
the setup. Here's the thing with the DB dongle.
There's one guy who's running software for it,
Robin. Nice guy. I've met him a few times at
various conventions He's a one -man guy. He's
doing this entire project the DB dongle requires
a lot of hoops to hop through and windows and
It's running on Q on the linux side. It's running
on Basically a 10 year old QT libraries Well,
I don't know if it's exactly 10 years, but it's
like four major versions without so it can't
be around on Linux without a VR box and it goes
through a whole bunch of hops to get through.
That being said, I wish Robin would open source
it so that other programmers can get in and update
it and bring it up to the current library so
it becomes more useful to other individuals.
But if you're running an older version of Windows,
you still can get it to work. What it'll allow
you to do is after you've registered to a repeater,
you still have to register to get in part of
that database that allows you to connect to specific
readers repeaters and reflectors and that's it
you can't know can't call somebody by a call
sign or what we call call sign routing you can't
uh there's a quite a few things you cannot do
with it but it can get you part of reflector
and it can get your signal out and onto the airways
there are other diviners items like the dv adapter
which will allow you to plug it into a 9600 bod
compatible rig that will let you get on D -Star.
The D -Star protocol either be a simplex or repeater
or whatnot basically turns your old rig into
a D -Star capable rig. That was done by somebody
over in Europe. There's also a DSUMS which is
kind of like the DV dongle but shrunk down to
the size of a thumb drive. I've not experimented
with this yet. I've only seen it mentioned about
the D -Star groups. Plus Kenwood, as I found
out a little while ago, is finally coming out
with their own D -Star rig. So that should do
a lot to dispel some of the myths that D -Star
is an icon. That rig is out and has been shipping
now for a couple of weeks. A lot of talk about
it. It's got a pretty high price tag, but people
seem to be real happy with it. So we'll see how
that goes. So the book, you've talked a little
bit already about why you decided to write it.
What all is in there? I remember reading one
thing online as I was Doing the research for
the show that you you were you know saying that
your neighbors were probably hearing you yell
Well, why didn't they say that? Yes, I think
it's you know, I may be wrong here, but I believe
it's called nifty's guide to D star The guy wrote
it through every you basically Break it down
to like commands like what when you put in the
your call field that makes it does what he uses
a bunch of different Call signs, so I'm trying
to keep track the information. I want out of
this book. How do I make my rig do this? So we
start with one call sign say okay. I need to
talk to this ham So this is how I need my stuff
set up and that would have been fine, but no
he picks an entirely different call sign So I'm
wondering Who's the original caller? Who is he
trying to get a hold of? And well, there's a
bunch of call signs being thrown around and he
changes the call signs in every freaking chapter
See you have no it's like you've got to sit down
reread reread reread and try to read in between
the lines what he's trying to do and it's like
I've got a D star rigor. I'm gonna figure this
out. This is ridiculous This should not cause
this much headache. It's It's basically once
you get into that node with your repeater one
or repeater two the only thing that's going to
change is from memory slot to memory slot is
your call it's basically a command what you type
in at a prompt all it is is your it's like you
write it in there so you don't have to scroll
through it and make it up again so you make up
different memory slots if he had explained it
that way it'll been like wow okay yeah i get
it but no he doesn't do this in the least bit
it's like oh And he's charging something like
19 bucks for this book. I'm thinking to myself,
I'm in the wrong gambit. But I've got a 9 ,100.
I've got the 9 ,100. I've got the 800 sitting
behind me. And I'm like, OK, this is an expensive
rig. It's one rig to rule the morrow in the darkness
behind them. At least that's how I saw it. Okay,
USB cable. No problem. They've solved the cable
gripes that did you get the cable? No, go back
to the candy store. Go get the cable Did you
get programming software? No. Well, okay, which
model are you using? No, you're gonna have to
buy that from my come No, you're gonna have to
buy that marching system. Oh, you're lucky I
come since that download Okay, got that covered
and all of a sudden it's like okay. I've got
this rig here I'm gonna work this stuff out.
I'm gonna make notes. So when I go to explain
it to the guy on the air It's all okay. No problem.
It's like you shouldn't have to spend yet another
$30 to Purchase a book to explain what icons
manual should have explained to begin with they
tried to tell you a little bit of everything
But the problem is it's not the information you
need to know to make it work It's like okay.
I write this in write this ebook if somebody's
okay You got 15 minutes to explain your problem.
If not, I'm gonna pass you to this book Read
the book. It's all there in the manual. Breathe
to it. You understand it? Yep. Great. Move on.
All right. Well, that's available online, so
make sure you check that out. And we're going
to have some more guests do some stuff on D -Star
and System Fusion and DMR and all this kind of
digital stuff. So we'll be having some updates
to all of this before too long. We do need to
take a break. oops sorry let me pause here to
take a break and when we come back we will take
some questions again apologize Skype is not cooperating
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make one call and that's to Charles. So, uh,
apologize for that and hopefully, uh, we'll get
that figured out. But, uh, for the meantime,
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has. written so you can check out the direct
link there as well. So again, apologize, Skype's
not cooperating, so we're not going to be able
to take calls off of the phone line this evening.
But again, you can type those into the chat.
So if you're listening live, all you have to
do is put that in the comments on the screen
there, and that will show up here. You can also
tweet. You can tweet us at HamTalk Live. With
any of your questions, so we'll we'll take them
that way tonight with the with the power outage
and everything we didn't have a chance to to
get through all the Troubleshooting to see if
we could get that working last minute, so Apologize
for that, but we'll have that going again next
week So again comment on the website or tweet
us and we'll keep an eye open for some questions
if you need some help getting set up on D star
just Just let us know and we'll try to get that
answered for you now While we're waiting on those
to roll in here, I've got a couple of other things
that we can talk about. When we did the show
a few weeks ago on DMR, we briefly touched on
the differences between all the digital voice
standards and we noticed That the popularity
seems to be kind of regional DMR is really big
in this area But the D star is pretty big in
other areas. So Tell us why you like the star
over some of those other technologies and what
some of the advantages are to D star And some
of the things that maybe D star doesn't do as
well as some of the others Well, it boils down
to I'm an open source advocate I've been running,
I've been playing with Linux since late 90s.
Got serious with it about 2005 where I've been
going all open source. I just got so burned by
proprietary stuff. It was paying the Microsoft
a tax, et cetera. But when D -Star came along,
it said it was ditched on and went, okay, this
is something new. We've heard about some of these
digital mods coming out. I don't have the money
for it. So I'm not going to worry about it until
it was dropped into my hands. And I went and
started doing the research on it. And the D -Star
protocol is open. Unfortunately, due to the nature
of digital modes, it can't be altered. Once after
JRL set its stuff down, it's pretty much a fixed
thing. However, you can do some All kinds of
tricks on the repeater to whatnot now. There
was a lot of misconception running around they
were calling it Closed source because of one
chip there's one chip in there called the AMBE
chip That chip cost 20 bucks Other than that,
it's open source any Aliko can create it D star
DCR can go on basically any rig it's a matter
up to the radio or the You know the ham radio
operator in there who can put it together That
was a big deal for me Yeah, I wish it was they'd
use that free codec But they didn't the reason
they didn't was there was a huge golf between
the two But they made the protocol open the company
produces the chip It says, we'll sell it to any
ham radio operator for $20. Pay us 20 bucks,
we'll send you the chip. There you go. So all
these different projects came about. So it isn't
just one company. Then you have Fusion. Fusion
is entirely ran by Yesu. So if Yesu decides to
change something, guess what? It sucks to be
you. That company goes down. Guess what? Sucks
to be you. Where as opposed to g -star is if
icon starts running it Oh Kenwood has their own
models now, so you can keep going with it Since
it's not locked down proprietary. It's the same
thing with Motorola's version Well, if Motorola
decides to hang up their amateur radio business
Sucks to be you it's not open Well, you know
the company that creates the AMBE chip so you
could say the same thing However, chances are,
if you've got a cell phone, it's got that chip
in there. So they sell these chips to major cellular
manufacturers. They're not going away anytime
soon. So neither is D -Star. D -Star is going
to become the standard. Why did I go into it?
Well, I was, you know, a bit skeptical at first
until there was another ham radio operator here.
who lives about 15 minutes on the other side
of Columbus. We can't talk FM simplex to each
other. We've cranked our rigs up to 50 watts
blaring. We can't get through downtown. Yet five
watts on T -Star, we're hearing each other. I
can make it out 40 miles from my repeater, clear
almost to Dayton, and still talk to my home repeater.
You can't do that with that down. You can use
it on Simplex, you can use it on Repeater, and
you can use it on Interconnect. It's kind of
like how Hamvention, two years ago, I picked
up an issue of QST from around World War II.
It had an interesting article about all the complaints
I'd heard about the D -Star and all these digital
modes. It literally mirrored the same thing with
the adoption of FM. Came to the new mode. Oh
Well, none of these nobody's supporting it's
not being come built in the turnkey ready It's
the same arguments the same complaints except
that was happening during just after World War
two It's like wow you sit and you think about
it. Like yeah, it's gonna be one of the new standard
modes Yes, he was trying to push their fusion
out. It could do some interesting tricks tweaks
But it's still got the inherit core problem You
don't get to talk fusion unless you run yes you
gear only They're not letting anybody else play
in their pool And they're doing whatever they
can literally bribing repeater owners with free
repeater stacks in order to put it out there
Oh, it does D star too, but by the way, there's
a few hiccups, but we'll ignore that Okay As
far as the regular standard DMR stuff goes It's
not used around here at all. It's one of those
catch -22s. People, well, my buddies don't have
it, so why should I get it? And if they don't
have it, why buy it to begin with? Well, they
won't have it unless somebody buys it and shows
them how cool it is. Then they get hooked, and
then their buddies start to buy it. Then you
have individuals who, oh, no, this is bad. We
don't like it. It's all new faggot. Chances are
when you boil it down to it, they don't have
the money for the new rig They're saying all
their buddies disappear. So they're They're doing
what they can to keep their buddies hanging out
on the walk over Peter and you end up in this
weird catch -22 situation All right, well You
know, I wish they all would you know kind of
play together and do certain things but I guess
it's like a lot of things, you know, you have
all these different standards and Sooner or later,
it seems like one of them wins out. And so I
don't know if that's going to be the case with
this or not, but I really have not gotten into
any of the digital voice stuff yet. And so I'm
still trying to decide which one I want to go
for and just trying to figure it all out. That's
the interesting thing about these bar D star.
It's an open protocol Yes, you can just as easily
buy the chips from the company and put D star
in the rigs. They don't They want you to use
their proprietary system. It's a business decision.
They've made Kenwood recently started out they
took some of the eight hundreds the ID eight
hundreds and Rebranded them and sold them in
Japan to kind of test the water and then they
saw how it was getting picked up over in Japan
and they went we need to get into this D star
boat and then they began and we now have this
new HT pretty soon you're going to see mobiles
coming with it out and I foresee down the road
you get another 10 or 20 years just like FM you
can't buy a 2 meter transceiver without FM on
it anymore it's just good luck with that it's
going to be the same way with D star in about
30 years Well, we will we will see how that goes
and like I said, we're going to to have some
more guests on that will talk about D star and
DMR and system fusion and and kind of look at
all of these technologies so we appreciate you
coming on and telling us a little bit about your
book and getting us a little bit of information
about how it works and hopefully that will will
help some folks out in their quest to do their
programming. I know we had a couple of people
who wrote in and said, you know, I bought this
brand new modern D -Star radio and I have no
idea how to program it. And so hopefully that
will at least get them started and kind of thinking
in the right direction and get them on their
way to to getting that going so thanks a lot
for coming online appreciate it and Hopefully
this will be helpful to some folks No problem,
I mean I ran into the same problem you run into
the same questions over and over again That's
why I wrote the book. That's why D star for dummies
is always going to be free this way get your
rig Which way you want to go you use the ICOM
software. I haven't tried out the Kenwood software.
I don't anything about that or the RT systems
Okay. Now what do you do with these stuff? Here's
the book This is a book you said should have
come with your manual Read to it once you got
there. You'll should be good to go turnkey. You're
rocking and The hams usually they take off and
they'd go do their own thing at that point Well
thank you Charles and that's a wrap for this
week's edition of HamTalk Live. I'd like to thank
my guest Charles, W8KWA and everybody out there
in cyberspace for listening and invite you back
next Thursday night at 9 p .m eastern time when
Gerald Youngblood, K5SDR, will be here and he's
going to talk about of course his company Flex
Radio and some other things. So be sure to tune
in for that, should be a good one. For a list
of all of our upcoming guests, visit HamTalkLive
.com. So for now, this is Neil Rapp, WB9VPG,
saying 7375, and may the good DX be yours. Music
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