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I'm your host, Neil Rapp, WB9VPG. 00:02:01.969 --> 00:02:05.109 Thanks for tuning in to this episode of HamTalk 00:02:05.109 --> 00:02:08.969 Live. Tonight, we'll be joined by Charles Johnston 00:02:08.969 --> 00:02:14.349 III, W8KWA, the author of a free ebook called 00:02:14.349 --> 00:02:17.870 D -Star for dummies, and we'll take your calls 00:02:17.870 --> 00:02:21.050 live in just a few minutes. Last week on the 00:02:21.050 --> 00:02:24.210 show, Marty Sulaway, KC1, Chicken with Fries 00:02:24.210 --> 00:02:27.909 was here to talk about setting up remote operations. 00:02:27.930 --> 00:02:30.590 If you missed the show, you can check that out 00:02:30.590 --> 00:02:34.849 at HamTalkLive .com or you can download it from 00:02:34.849 --> 00:02:37.949 iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, TuneIn, SoundCloud, 00:02:38.270 --> 00:02:41.810 or YouTube. So get your D -Star questions ready 00:02:41.810 --> 00:02:44.740 to go after the introduction. You'll be able 00:02:44.740 --> 00:02:47.360 to give us a call. We are having some technical 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:51.139 problems tonight So we're going to take our tweets 00:02:51.139 --> 00:02:55.979 for sure. You can tweet us at ham talk live and, 00:02:56.360 --> 00:02:58.479 uh, we'll, we'll give Skype a try. You can call 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:02.039 us at ham talk live, but, uh, we're having some 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:05.419 group calling issues tonight and, uh, Charles 00:03:05.419 --> 00:03:08.819 power just came back on. So, uh, we're fighting 00:03:08.819 --> 00:03:11.400 a few technical glitches here. So, uh, we're 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:14.340 not sure if we can take phone calls, uh, tonight. 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:17.659 The number is eight one two net ham one. Uh, 00:03:17.659 --> 00:03:20.199 but we'll, uh, we'll see how that goes, but, 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:22.879 uh, it looks like we may not have the phone line. 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:25.939 available tonight so if you can send those in 00:03:25.939 --> 00:03:29.860 via Twitter that would be great! And, uh, we'll, 00:03:29.900 --> 00:03:32.599 we'll see if we can get the Skype thing to work 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:36.680 too. So, uh, you can also post a comment on our 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:40.280 website. If you just get on the comments, uh, 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:42.580 that will go to the screen here and we can put 00:03:42.580 --> 00:03:45.900 your question on that way. So, uh, that may be 00:03:45.900 --> 00:03:49.020 a good way to do that tonight. So I'll be back 00:03:49.020 --> 00:03:51.620 with Charles right after this word from the ham 00:03:51.620 --> 00:03:56.439 station right here on ham talk live. 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The Ham Station, proud to 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:47.899 sponsor this episode of HamTalk Live. What's 00:04:47.899 --> 00:04:53.000 that call sign again? WB9VPG. That's right, Delium 00:04:53.000 --> 00:05:00.040 9 Bainte Pterodactyl Nat, right? Yeah, I don't 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:02.819 think that's how those, uh, phonetics work. Welcome 00:05:02.819 --> 00:05:06.139 back to HamTalk Live. The HamStation has you 00:05:06.139 --> 00:05:08.899 covered for both new and used equipment. Give 00:05:08.899 --> 00:05:16.029 Dan or Jeff a call at 800 -729 -4373. or go to 00:05:16.029 --> 00:05:18.930 hamstation .com and tell them you heard it on 00:05:18.930 --> 00:05:23.009 HamTalk Live. HamTalk Live is on the air every 00:05:23.009 --> 00:05:25.649 Thursday night at 9 p .m. Eastern Time right 00:05:25.649 --> 00:05:29.810 here on hamtalklive .com and if you missed the 00:05:29.810 --> 00:05:31.589 show of course you can listen to the archive 00:05:31.589 --> 00:05:35.629 on the website and also you can download it from 00:05:35.629 --> 00:05:40.350 most of those podcasting websites as well. Charles 00:05:40.350 --> 00:05:44.829 Johnston, W8KWA Charles Johnston III actually 00:05:44.829 --> 00:05:48.470 is a third generation amateur radio operator. 00:05:48.970 --> 00:05:52.370 He received his general class license in 2008. 00:05:52.389 --> 00:05:56.290 He lives in Columbus, Ohio and Charles mostly 00:05:56.290 --> 00:05:59.310 operates D -Star on the two meter band and is 00:05:59.310 --> 00:06:05.430 often found on the W8CMH node. He ran the former 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:09.839 central Ohio D star net on Thursdays the net 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:13.319 is gone but the website is still there and his 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:18.560 book w8 kwa's D star for dummies is posted there 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:21.639 so Charles thanks a lot for joining us on am 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:26.639 talk live tonight thank you no problem well apparently 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:30.579 it is a problem the power company wasn't cooperating 00:06:30.579 --> 00:06:35.079 with you but Uh, we're glad. We've had no severe 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:37.620 weather around here and all of a sudden, all 00:06:37.620 --> 00:06:39.420 of a sudden it's like seven o 'clock hits and 00:06:39.420 --> 00:06:43.100 the power goes blank. Gone. No warnings, no flickering, 00:06:43.620 --> 00:06:47.860 nothing. Well, that happens. And in fact, uh, 00:06:47.860 --> 00:06:52.480 we've had, uh, All kinds of issues we've been 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:55.079 fighting over here at the school that I teach 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:58.019 at trying to get Antennas and towers and everything 00:06:58.019 --> 00:07:00.420 going so that's kind of been par for the course 00:07:00.420 --> 00:07:04.600 for me for the last Last week or two. Well, let's 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:09.519 get on to this D star thing. So You've gone out 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:13.000 and you bought a D star capable radio like maybe 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:18.800 an icon ID 51 or The new Kenwood TH -D74A. What 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:22.839 do you have to do to set up that radio to get 00:07:22.839 --> 00:07:26.660 on D -Star? Okay, this is a common question. 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:30.800 When I started the D -Star for dummies, it was 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:34.199 because I became the local D -Star expert. I 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:37.779 got hired as soon as I'd go on the air. How do 00:07:37.779 --> 00:07:40.420 you do the D -Star? How do you? Okay. So you 00:07:40.420 --> 00:07:42.560 wrote it all out. When it boils down to it, you 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:45.060 start asking the first set of questions. Did 00:07:45.060 --> 00:07:47.939 you get the data cable or the programming cable 00:07:47.939 --> 00:07:51.220 that goes with that rig? If not turn around go 00:07:51.220 --> 00:07:54.680 back to the candy store. Go get the cable If 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:57.560 not, you will find the programming it tends to 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:01.819 be a rather large pain in the rear end Once after 00:08:01.819 --> 00:08:05.620 you get that then you sit down explain the what 00:08:05.620 --> 00:08:08.540 is the D star stack? You have a magic arrow that 00:08:08.540 --> 00:08:12.139 points to the four Four spots that you have to 00:08:12.139 --> 00:08:14.319 have filled out. In addition to the regular stuff 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:16.620 you would normally have to program your rig with. 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:19.240 If you understand how to program your rig, then 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:22.019 all you need to do is understand the D star core 00:08:22.019 --> 00:08:25.660 essentials. That's the infamous magic arrow. 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:31.160 You start off with the first position, which 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:34.080 is the my call. That's where you put your call 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:38.700 sign. Unlike EchoLink or anything... Any of the 00:08:38.700 --> 00:08:42.240 other stuff you just put your call sign in. So 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:47.320 mine would be W8KWA. No dash 1, no dash A, no 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:52.919 space L. Just your call sign. That's going to 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:55.559 be the same for every one of the entries listed 00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:58.519 in the memory. This is why these radios are coming 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:01.299 out with like a thousand memories. Because each 00:09:01.299 --> 00:09:03.720 one of these commands is going to take up a memory 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:07.730 slot. The next item is how are you going to connect 00:09:07.730 --> 00:09:11.789 to the repeater? Well, you have a stack. Imagine 00:09:11.789 --> 00:09:15.750 books labeled A through E. Now all you need to 00:09:15.750 --> 00:09:20.169 worry about is A, B, and C. You'll be referring 00:09:20.169 --> 00:09:24.190 to this as all of the C's will be 2 meters, all 00:09:24.190 --> 00:09:28.090 of the B's will be 440, and the A's will be the 00:09:28.090 --> 00:09:32.990 1 .2 gigahertz. They'll be listed as the cosine, 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:38.440 And in the last character will be their letter. 00:09:39.179 --> 00:09:43.500 So for example, W8CMH, if I'm coming in to the 00:09:43.500 --> 00:09:49.379 B node, would be W8CMH, the last letter of C, 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:51.779 since I'm coming into the C node on two meters. 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:57.679 That's your repeer one. So it comes in from me 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:00.059 to that particular node, then we need to talk 00:10:00.059 --> 00:10:02.899 to the gateway. The gateway is... or repeater 00:10:02.899 --> 00:10:06.360 two is always going to be that call sign and 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:10.279 the G in the last character spot. So you got 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:15.580 my call and the repeater into deviate CMHC. That's 00:10:15.580 --> 00:10:18.559 repeater one slot. Repeater two slot will be 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:20.759 the gateway. We have to report to the gateway. 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:23.139 This prevents people from stepping all over each 00:10:23.139 --> 00:10:26.659 other or doubling, especially coming in and coming 00:10:26.659 --> 00:10:29.559 out of the system. That's your repeater two. 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:35.580 So deviate CMH. and the G and the eighth position. 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:38.960 The fourth one, that's your command. That's what 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:41.259 you're going to tell it to do. Normally it's 00:10:41.259 --> 00:10:46.000 just CQ, CQ, CQ three times in a row. There are 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:48.580 many different commands that do different things, 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:51.259 but that's the key one. So if I want to talk 00:10:51.259 --> 00:10:55.980 to W8CMH node C, I need to have listed in there 00:10:55.980 --> 00:10:58.220 the frequency, the stuff you normally have for 00:10:58.220 --> 00:11:03.179 repeater, then My call which some reason software 00:11:03.179 --> 00:11:05.720 likes to put it in different places RT systems 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:09.279 versus icon But it's basically yet. You have 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:11.960 to have that in there then you have the repeater 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:16.879 one that gate CMH node C repeater two is w8 CMH 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:22.759 and G in the last position and then the CQ CQ 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:26.440 CQ as the your call position Don't ask me why 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:29.419 they call it this it's all originated from Japan 00:11:29.769 --> 00:11:33.289 got translated, then IBM, then ICOM got a hold 00:11:33.289 --> 00:11:36.649 of it, and it kind of went sideways from there. 00:11:37.929 --> 00:11:41.629 That will get you talking locally. The second 00:11:41.629 --> 00:11:45.509 part is, where's the nearest local D star repeater? 00:11:46.029 --> 00:11:48.750 That's what you're going to call your home. That's 00:11:48.750 --> 00:11:50.809 the one you need to look up and you need to get 00:11:50.809 --> 00:11:53.289 registered with. Registration takes anywhere 00:11:53.289 --> 00:11:56.429 from one to three days. How that works is you 00:11:56.429 --> 00:12:00.460 go onto a website where the They have the repeaters 00:12:00.460 --> 00:12:04.820 listed. It's listed in my book. You find your 00:12:04.820 --> 00:12:07.700 repeater, go through the registration process. 00:12:07.779 --> 00:12:11.320 It's usually a website. Give them your your call 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:14.159 sign. It takes a couple of days because essentially 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:17.019 sends an email to the repeater owner and he adds 00:12:17.019 --> 00:12:19.340 you to the database and then it takes one to 00:12:19.340 --> 00:12:21.799 three days to propagate and then you'll be able 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:25.799 to connect out. The rest of it is basically the 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:27.799 same lines except for different commands you 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:31.940 want to use. like how to check on a, is it connected, 00:12:32.940 --> 00:12:35.960 how to unlink, how to link, how to node hop, 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:39.179 how to connect by call sign, how to connect to 00:12:39.179 --> 00:12:42.460 a reflector, and how to disconnect it all. That's 00:12:42.460 --> 00:12:48.860 your simple basics for it. All right, very good. 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:52.679 Well, there's a lot of things to consider and 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:56.210 set up there, so. Uh, you do have this, this 00:12:56.210 --> 00:12:58.629 book that goes along with it and we want to, 00:12:58.629 --> 00:13:01.649 uh, mention that, but, uh, what's the, uh, the 00:13:01.649 --> 00:13:05.090 easiest way to get hold of, uh, this book online. 00:13:05.669 --> 00:13:10.070 Well, I've told people, uh, it's just go to Google 00:13:10.070 --> 00:13:14.289 search for w eight KWA D star for dummies. It's 00:13:14.289 --> 00:13:17.509 usually one of the top three links. Uh, unfortunately 00:13:17.509 --> 00:13:21.500 I'm a. Ham radio operator on a very very very 00:13:21.500 --> 00:13:24.379 strict budget and Google's was the only one that 00:13:24.379 --> 00:13:27.440 allowed a free website So unfortunately what 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:32.820 with that comes? Rather long URL Very good. Well, 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:35.480 it's on there and I've that's how I found you 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:39.970 so That that should work. So just go to Google 00:13:39.970 --> 00:13:44.590 and again that call sign is w8kwa and look that 00:13:44.590 --> 00:13:47.789 up and the D star for dummies and and you should 00:13:47.789 --> 00:13:50.029 find that and you've got several versions out 00:13:50.029 --> 00:13:53.190 there and Believe the latest version is four. 00:13:53.289 --> 00:13:59.669 Is that right? right This D star What since icons 00:13:59.669 --> 00:14:02.049 and picking up and things from gathering storm 00:14:02.049 --> 00:14:05.220 they have the generation one rig Generation 2 00:14:05.220 --> 00:14:08.279 rig and right now they're on generation 3 Now 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:11.200 well the difference is the protocol is identical, 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:14.659 but how you get your information in there? Tends 00:14:14.659 --> 00:14:17.740 to hop through several different loops for example 00:14:17.740 --> 00:14:21.740 I started out with an ID 800 it only shows six 00:14:21.740 --> 00:14:24.679 characters on the screen So seeing what you've 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:26.919 got put in there. It's a lot of memorization 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:30.120 that you've got to go through on top of that 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:34.340 plus You know there they charged for the software 00:14:34.340 --> 00:14:37.340 something like 30 40 bucks for that original 00:14:37.340 --> 00:14:42.659 software. So you know It was really really painful 00:14:42.659 --> 00:14:45.259 to enter an in especially for a new user who? 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:50.720 Doesn't really know about the star It was a nightmare 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:56.139 At least the book itself started out with as 00:14:56.139 --> 00:14:59.279 I mentioned People were confused. They'd asked 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:02.220 as soon as I get on the air. It was Talk to Charles 00:15:02.220 --> 00:15:07.220 he's the D star expert. Okay so I basically had 00:15:07.220 --> 00:15:09.519 to work them through it and I get tired of going 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:13.620 on the air and you know I get on the air and 00:15:13.620 --> 00:15:15.899 it would be nothing but D star tech support. 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:18.639 It's like okay I need to write all this down 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:21.840 so I can just say okay go get this book read 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:25.200 it that should get you from zero to on air. That's 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:27.440 all it was supposed to do for the Columbus Ohio 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:30.879 Hams So I broke it down to me being an open source 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:34.919 junkie. I built it out, put everything in there, 00:15:35.539 --> 00:15:40.080 and et cetera. Well, as time marched on, new 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:43.100 rigs came out, and people started changing terminology. 00:15:43.899 --> 00:15:47.700 ICOM was notoriously bad about poor manuals when 00:15:47.700 --> 00:15:50.500 it comes to explaining VSTAR. A lot of people 00:15:50.500 --> 00:15:53.240 got a lot of things confused and went, hey, you 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:55.279 know, I can talk to my buddy on the repeater. 00:15:55.450 --> 00:15:57.870 Doesn't matter. I'm stomping all over the internet. 00:15:57.870 --> 00:16:01.649 That's all that matters and I'm bad operating 00:16:01.649 --> 00:16:03.690 so a lot of going through and correcting that 00:16:03.690 --> 00:16:05.990 plus there were other options that the manual 00:16:05.990 --> 00:16:09.529 didn't explain right my father Purchased a book 00:16:09.529 --> 00:16:12.850 which didn't explain it, right? So as soon as 00:16:12.850 --> 00:16:14.610 I tore through the book and figured out what 00:16:14.610 --> 00:16:17.149 exactly it meant I went okay. I need to write 00:16:17.149 --> 00:16:20.110 it from one hand perspective you This is what 00:16:20.110 --> 00:16:22.370 you need to put in to make it do this. It's what 00:16:22.370 --> 00:16:25.809 you need to put in to make it do that Okay Generation 00:16:25.809 --> 00:16:31.190 2 rigs come out. Some changes, others not so 00:16:31.190 --> 00:16:34.570 much. Then Generation 3 comes out, where ICOM 00:16:34.570 --> 00:16:38.169 says, well, we're going to put a chip with a 00:16:38.169 --> 00:16:41.889 snapshot of all the D -Star repeaters. So they 00:16:41.889 --> 00:16:44.850 can click, here I am, and have it magically fill 00:16:44.850 --> 00:16:47.269 in. Well, that's all well and good, but they 00:16:47.269 --> 00:16:50.269 don't add status commands. Like, well, here's 00:16:50.269 --> 00:16:53.309 this new repeater. I'm on vacation. Didn't get 00:16:53.309 --> 00:16:55.929 a chance to add in the unlink or is this link 00:16:55.929 --> 00:16:58.970 command so far as I know I could talk to my buddy 00:16:58.970 --> 00:17:01.970 there on the island and well I'm going across 00:17:01.970 --> 00:17:05.130 the internet and everybody on the West Coast 00:17:05.130 --> 00:17:10.009 is hearing me Okay, what else is new so all these 00:17:10.009 --> 00:17:13.250 different new things kept popping up like the 00:17:13.250 --> 00:17:16.769 Open star I believe it's open star the open source 00:17:16.769 --> 00:17:19.849 version of the repeater software that came out 00:17:19.849 --> 00:17:23.299 Plus you had extra reflectors Those came out. 00:17:23.299 --> 00:17:25.759 Those couldn't even agree on the standard set 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:28.859 of commands. It's like, okay, well, each one 00:17:28.859 --> 00:17:31.000 of these had a new version attached to it where 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:33.740 I'd tweak a few things, explain it a little better, 00:17:33.740 --> 00:17:36.680 et cetera. So it made it to version four. I don't 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:39.539 have any access to generation three gear like 00:17:39.539 --> 00:17:43.859 the 51, so I can't write a how -to on how to 00:17:43.859 --> 00:17:47.059 program it. But all the core information that's 00:17:47.059 --> 00:17:49.759 in D -Star for Dummies works with all three. 00:17:49.779 --> 00:17:53.940 The protocol is fixed. It's created by JRL out 00:17:53.940 --> 00:17:57.579 in Japan. It's not an ICOM only thing. But the 00:17:57.579 --> 00:18:01.400 core material is solid. The rest of it is just, 00:18:01.420 --> 00:18:06.039 how do I get this information into the rig? All 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:09.819 right. Well, in addition to the handhelds and 00:18:09.819 --> 00:18:13.500 the mobiles, there's a lot of people that are 00:18:13.500 --> 00:18:17.299 starting to use these USB dongles on their computer. 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:20.559 to get on D -Star and we're not going to get 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:24.140 into those so much tonight because we're just 00:18:24.140 --> 00:18:27.359 trying to keep it pretty simple and pretty generic, 00:18:27.380 --> 00:18:30.420 but tell us a little bit about the possibilities 00:18:30.420 --> 00:18:35.539 of doing this, not necessarily getting into all 00:18:35.539 --> 00:18:41.599 the setup. Here's the thing with the DB dongle. 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:44.759 There's one guy who's running software for it, 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:47.319 Robin. Nice guy. I've met him a few times at 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:52.220 various conventions He's a one -man guy. He's 00:18:52.220 --> 00:18:57.619 doing this entire project the DB dongle requires 00:18:57.619 --> 00:19:01.000 a lot of hoops to hop through and windows and 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:03.599 It's running on Q on the linux side. It's running 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:08.339 on Basically a 10 year old QT libraries Well, 00:19:08.339 --> 00:19:10.480 I don't know if it's exactly 10 years, but it's 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:12.980 like four major versions without so it can't 00:19:12.980 --> 00:19:17.180 be around on Linux without a VR box and it goes 00:19:17.180 --> 00:19:21.039 through a whole bunch of hops to get through. 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:23.920 That being said, I wish Robin would open source 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:29.160 it so that other programmers can get in and update 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:31.279 it and bring it up to the current library so 00:19:31.279 --> 00:19:34.000 it becomes more useful to other individuals. 00:19:34.460 --> 00:19:36.519 But if you're running an older version of Windows, 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:39.619 you still can get it to work. What it'll allow 00:19:39.619 --> 00:19:42.559 you to do is after you've registered to a repeater, 00:19:42.660 --> 00:19:44.599 you still have to register to get in part of 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:48.200 that database that allows you to connect to specific 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:52.539 readers repeaters and reflectors and that's it 00:19:52.539 --> 00:19:55.400 you can't know can't call somebody by a call 00:19:55.400 --> 00:20:00.079 sign or what we call call sign routing you can't 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.519 uh there's a quite a few things you cannot do 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:06.599 with it but it can get you part of reflector 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:09.380 and it can get your signal out and onto the airways 00:20:09.380 --> 00:20:13.380 there are other diviners items like the dv adapter 00:20:13.740 --> 00:20:17.839 which will allow you to plug it into a 9600 bod 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:22.319 compatible rig that will let you get on D -Star. 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:28.259 The D -Star protocol either be a simplex or repeater 00:20:28.259 --> 00:20:31.599 or whatnot basically turns your old rig into 00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:35.140 a D -Star capable rig. That was done by somebody 00:20:35.140 --> 00:20:38.599 over in Europe. There's also a DSUMS which is 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:40.839 kind of like the DV dongle but shrunk down to 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:43.299 the size of a thumb drive. I've not experimented 00:20:43.299 --> 00:20:46.680 with this yet. I've only seen it mentioned about 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:51.279 the D -Star groups. Plus Kenwood, as I found 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:54.700 out a little while ago, is finally coming out 00:20:54.700 --> 00:20:57.759 with their own D -Star rig. So that should do 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:01.539 a lot to dispel some of the myths that D -Star 00:21:01.539 --> 00:21:06.579 is an icon. That rig is out and has been shipping 00:21:06.579 --> 00:21:10.819 now for a couple of weeks. A lot of talk about 00:21:10.819 --> 00:21:16.900 it. It's got a pretty high price tag, but people 00:21:16.900 --> 00:21:19.900 seem to be real happy with it. So we'll see how 00:21:19.900 --> 00:21:23.920 that goes. So the book, you've talked a little 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:29.440 bit already about why you decided to write it. 00:21:30.380 --> 00:21:34.880 What all is in there? I remember reading one 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:38.160 thing online as I was Doing the research for 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:40.640 the show that you you were you know saying that 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:43.000 your neighbors were probably hearing you yell 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:48.980 Well, why didn't they say that? Yes, I think 00:21:48.980 --> 00:21:51.500 it's you know, I may be wrong here, but I believe 00:21:51.500 --> 00:21:56.900 it's called nifty's guide to D star The guy wrote 00:21:56.900 --> 00:22:00.420 it through every you basically Break it down 00:22:00.420 --> 00:22:03.480 to like commands like what when you put in the 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:06.299 your call field that makes it does what he uses 00:22:06.299 --> 00:22:10.240 a bunch of different Call signs, so I'm trying 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:12.539 to keep track the information. I want out of 00:22:12.539 --> 00:22:17.200 this book. How do I make my rig do this? So we 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:19.960 start with one call sign say okay. I need to 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:22.400 talk to this ham So this is how I need my stuff 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:25.200 set up and that would have been fine, but no 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:27.640 he picks an entirely different call sign So I'm 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:31.180 wondering Who's the original caller? Who is he 00:22:31.180 --> 00:22:33.819 trying to get a hold of? And well, there's a 00:22:33.819 --> 00:22:35.859 bunch of call signs being thrown around and he 00:22:35.859 --> 00:22:38.660 changes the call signs in every freaking chapter 00:22:38.660 --> 00:22:41.240 See you have no it's like you've got to sit down 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:44.059 reread reread reread and try to read in between 00:22:44.059 --> 00:22:45.799 the lines what he's trying to do and it's like 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:48.759 I've got a D star rigor. I'm gonna figure this 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:51.880 out. This is ridiculous This should not cause 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:55.480 this much headache. It's It's basically once 00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:58.279 you get into that node with your repeater one 00:22:58.279 --> 00:23:00.500 or repeater two the only thing that's going to 00:23:00.500 --> 00:23:03.599 change is from memory slot to memory slot is 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:06.720 your call it's basically a command what you type 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:10.940 in at a prompt all it is is your it's like you 00:23:10.940 --> 00:23:12.579 write it in there so you don't have to scroll 00:23:12.579 --> 00:23:15.440 through it and make it up again so you make up 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:18.940 different memory slots if he had explained it 00:23:18.940 --> 00:23:21.900 that way it'll been like wow okay yeah i get 00:23:21.900 --> 00:23:24.240 it but no he doesn't do this in the least bit 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:28.339 it's like oh And he's charging something like 00:23:28.339 --> 00:23:31.480 19 bucks for this book. I'm thinking to myself, 00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:36.779 I'm in the wrong gambit. But I've got a 9 ,100. 00:23:37.819 --> 00:23:42.180 I've got the 9 ,100. I've got the 800 sitting 00:23:42.180 --> 00:23:46.460 behind me. And I'm like, OK, this is an expensive 00:23:46.460 --> 00:23:49.119 rig. It's one rig to rule the morrow in the darkness 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:54.849 behind them. At least that's how I saw it. Okay, 00:23:54.910 --> 00:23:57.789 USB cable. No problem. They've solved the cable 00:23:57.789 --> 00:24:00.670 gripes that did you get the cable? No, go back 00:24:00.670 --> 00:24:03.569 to the candy store. Go get the cable Did you 00:24:03.569 --> 00:24:06.210 get programming software? No. Well, okay, which 00:24:06.210 --> 00:24:08.029 model are you using? No, you're gonna have to 00:24:08.029 --> 00:24:09.650 buy that from my come No, you're gonna have to 00:24:09.650 --> 00:24:12.009 buy that marching system. Oh, you're lucky I 00:24:12.009 --> 00:24:15.509 come since that download Okay, got that covered 00:24:15.509 --> 00:24:18.130 and all of a sudden it's like okay. I've got 00:24:18.130 --> 00:24:20.190 this rig here I'm gonna work this stuff out. 00:24:20.329 --> 00:24:22.430 I'm gonna make notes. So when I go to explain 00:24:22.430 --> 00:24:26.339 it to the guy on the air It's all okay. No problem. 00:24:26.339 --> 00:24:28.960 It's like you shouldn't have to spend yet another 00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:33.000 $30 to Purchase a book to explain what icons 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:35.359 manual should have explained to begin with they 00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:37.259 tried to tell you a little bit of everything 00:24:37.259 --> 00:24:39.619 But the problem is it's not the information you 00:24:39.619 --> 00:24:43.180 need to know to make it work It's like okay. 00:24:43.180 --> 00:24:46.819 I write this in write this ebook if somebody's 00:24:46.819 --> 00:24:49.579 okay You got 15 minutes to explain your problem. 00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:52.559 If not, I'm gonna pass you to this book Read 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:54.539 the book. It's all there in the manual. Breathe 00:24:54.539 --> 00:24:57.839 to it. You understand it? Yep. Great. Move on. 00:24:58.579 --> 00:25:02.079 All right. Well, that's available online, so 00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:05.119 make sure you check that out. And we're going 00:25:05.119 --> 00:25:09.259 to have some more guests do some stuff on D -Star 00:25:09.259 --> 00:25:12.519 and System Fusion and DMR and all this kind of 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:16.019 digital stuff. So we'll be having some updates 00:25:16.019 --> 00:25:20.720 to all of this before too long. We do need to 00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:26.859 take a break. oops sorry let me pause here to 00:25:26.859 --> 00:25:30.980 take a break and when we come back we will take 00:25:30.980 --> 00:25:35.920 some questions again apologize Skype is not cooperating 00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:39.269 with us tonight so Unfortunately, I'm not going 00:25:39.269 --> 00:25:43.289 to be able to take the calls through Skype, but 00:25:43.289 --> 00:25:47.069 you can comment on the website and you can send 00:25:47.069 --> 00:25:50.289 those via Twitter at HamTalk Live. So go ahead 00:25:50.289 --> 00:25:53.470 and start sending those away and we'll pull them 00:25:53.470 --> 00:25:56.869 up on the screen here. We'll have to do it that 00:25:56.869 --> 00:25:59.549 way tonight because Skype isn't cooperating with 00:25:59.549 --> 00:26:02.049 our group calling. So, uh, we're only able to 00:26:02.049 --> 00:26:05.369 make one call and that's to Charles. So, uh, 00:26:05.589 --> 00:26:08.630 apologize for that and hopefully, uh, we'll get 00:26:08.630 --> 00:26:10.910 that figured out. But, uh, for the meantime, 00:26:11.210 --> 00:26:14.369 tweet us or comment on the website and I'll be 00:26:14.369 --> 00:26:16.609 back with more ham talk live right after this 00:26:16.609 --> 00:26:19.970 word from tower electronics. 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With 00:29:09.710 --> 00:29:12.869 any of your questions, so we'll we'll take them 00:29:12.869 --> 00:29:15.690 that way tonight with the with the power outage 00:29:15.690 --> 00:29:18.309 and everything we didn't have a chance to to 00:29:18.309 --> 00:29:21.309 get through all the Troubleshooting to see if 00:29:21.309 --> 00:29:25.869 we could get that working last minute, so Apologize 00:29:25.869 --> 00:29:29.690 for that, but we'll have that going again next 00:29:29.690 --> 00:29:35.549 week So again comment on the website or tweet 00:29:35.549 --> 00:29:39.769 us and we'll keep an eye open for some questions 00:29:39.769 --> 00:29:44.430 if you need some help getting set up on D star 00:29:44.430 --> 00:29:48.009 just Just let us know and we'll try to get that 00:29:48.009 --> 00:29:52.910 answered for you now While we're waiting on those 00:29:52.910 --> 00:29:57.109 to roll in here, I've got a couple of other things 00:29:57.109 --> 00:30:00.990 that we can talk about. When we did the show 00:30:00.990 --> 00:30:04.730 a few weeks ago on DMR, we briefly touched on 00:30:04.730 --> 00:30:08.890 the differences between all the digital voice 00:30:08.890 --> 00:30:12.640 standards and we noticed That the popularity 00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:16.099 seems to be kind of regional DMR is really big 00:30:16.099 --> 00:30:20.619 in this area But the D star is pretty big in 00:30:20.619 --> 00:30:25.039 other areas. So Tell us why you like the star 00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:28.660 over some of those other technologies and what 00:30:28.660 --> 00:30:32.940 some of the advantages are to D star And some 00:30:32.940 --> 00:30:35.220 of the things that maybe D star doesn't do as 00:30:35.220 --> 00:30:38.480 well as some of the others Well, it boils down 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:41.680 to I'm an open source advocate I've been running, 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:47.539 I've been playing with Linux since late 90s. 00:30:47.700 --> 00:30:53.279 Got serious with it about 2005 where I've been 00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:57.099 going all open source. I just got so burned by 00:30:57.099 --> 00:31:00.220 proprietary stuff. It was paying the Microsoft 00:31:00.220 --> 00:31:03.940 a tax, et cetera. But when D -Star came along, 00:31:05.819 --> 00:31:09.180 it said it was ditched on and went, okay, this 00:31:09.180 --> 00:31:11.960 is something new. We've heard about some of these 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:14.920 digital mods coming out. I don't have the money 00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:17.819 for it. So I'm not going to worry about it until 00:31:17.819 --> 00:31:20.559 it was dropped into my hands. And I went and 00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:24.180 started doing the research on it. And the D -Star 00:31:24.180 --> 00:31:28.319 protocol is open. Unfortunately, due to the nature 00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:33.019 of digital modes, it can't be altered. Once after 00:31:33.019 --> 00:31:37.059 JRL set its stuff down, it's pretty much a fixed 00:31:37.059 --> 00:31:40.730 thing. However, you can do some All kinds of 00:31:40.730 --> 00:31:44.049 tricks on the repeater to whatnot now. There 00:31:44.049 --> 00:31:46.269 was a lot of misconception running around they 00:31:46.269 --> 00:31:51.930 were calling it Closed source because of one 00:31:51.930 --> 00:31:54.710 chip there's one chip in there called the AMBE 00:31:54.710 --> 00:32:00.349 chip That chip cost 20 bucks Other than that, 00:32:00.349 --> 00:32:05.670 it's open source any Aliko can create it D star 00:32:06.490 --> 00:32:10.109 DCR can go on basically any rig it's a matter 00:32:10.109 --> 00:32:14.589 up to the radio or the You know the ham radio 00:32:14.589 --> 00:32:18.849 operator in there who can put it together That 00:32:18.849 --> 00:32:22.809 was a big deal for me Yeah, I wish it was they'd 00:32:22.809 --> 00:32:26.230 use that free codec But they didn't the reason 00:32:26.230 --> 00:32:28.869 they didn't was there was a huge golf between 00:32:28.869 --> 00:32:32.769 the two But they made the protocol open the company 00:32:32.769 --> 00:32:35.970 produces the chip It says, we'll sell it to any 00:32:35.970 --> 00:32:39.710 ham radio operator for $20. Pay us 20 bucks, 00:32:39.730 --> 00:32:43.750 we'll send you the chip. There you go. So all 00:32:43.750 --> 00:32:47.430 these different projects came about. So it isn't 00:32:47.430 --> 00:32:50.769 just one company. Then you have Fusion. Fusion 00:32:50.769 --> 00:32:54.250 is entirely ran by Yesu. So if Yesu decides to 00:32:54.250 --> 00:32:57.289 change something, guess what? It sucks to be 00:32:57.289 --> 00:33:01.750 you. That company goes down. Guess what? Sucks 00:33:01.750 --> 00:33:05.539 to be you. Where as opposed to g -star is if 00:33:05.539 --> 00:33:08.559 icon starts running it Oh Kenwood has their own 00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:11.880 models now, so you can keep going with it Since 00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:15.099 it's not locked down proprietary. It's the same 00:33:15.099 --> 00:33:19.500 thing with Motorola's version Well, if Motorola 00:33:19.500 --> 00:33:23.299 decides to hang up their amateur radio business 00:33:23.299 --> 00:33:28.359 Sucks to be you it's not open Well, you know 00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:30.859 the company that creates the AMBE chip so you 00:33:30.859 --> 00:33:33.890 could say the same thing However, chances are, 00:33:33.990 --> 00:33:36.609 if you've got a cell phone, it's got that chip 00:33:36.609 --> 00:33:41.049 in there. So they sell these chips to major cellular 00:33:41.049 --> 00:33:43.849 manufacturers. They're not going away anytime 00:33:43.849 --> 00:33:47.089 soon. So neither is D -Star. D -Star is going 00:33:47.089 --> 00:33:51.289 to become the standard. Why did I go into it? 00:33:52.430 --> 00:33:55.470 Well, I was, you know, a bit skeptical at first 00:33:55.470 --> 00:33:58.250 until there was another ham radio operator here. 00:33:58.509 --> 00:34:01.769 who lives about 15 minutes on the other side 00:34:01.769 --> 00:34:04.869 of Columbus. We can't talk FM simplex to each 00:34:04.869 --> 00:34:07.650 other. We've cranked our rigs up to 50 watts 00:34:07.650 --> 00:34:12.510 blaring. We can't get through downtown. Yet five 00:34:12.510 --> 00:34:15.269 watts on T -Star, we're hearing each other. I 00:34:15.269 --> 00:34:19.889 can make it out 40 miles from my repeater, clear 00:34:19.889 --> 00:34:24.489 almost to Dayton, and still talk to my home repeater. 00:34:24.590 --> 00:34:27.579 You can't do that with that down. You can use 00:34:27.579 --> 00:34:30.440 it on Simplex, you can use it on Repeater, and 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.019 you can use it on Interconnect. It's kind of 00:34:33.019 --> 00:34:38.719 like how Hamvention, two years ago, I picked 00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:43.900 up an issue of QST from around World War II. 00:34:44.139 --> 00:34:46.980 It had an interesting article about all the complaints 00:34:46.980 --> 00:34:50.019 I'd heard about the D -Star and all these digital 00:34:50.019 --> 00:34:53.980 modes. It literally mirrored the same thing with 00:34:53.980 --> 00:34:58.099 the adoption of FM. Came to the new mode. Oh 00:34:58.099 --> 00:34:59.840 Well, none of these nobody's supporting it's 00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:04.320 not being come built in the turnkey ready It's 00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.260 the same arguments the same complaints except 00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:10.099 that was happening during just after World War 00:35:10.099 --> 00:35:13.119 two It's like wow you sit and you think about 00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:15.840 it. Like yeah, it's gonna be one of the new standard 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:19.440 modes Yes, he was trying to push their fusion 00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.920 out. It could do some interesting tricks tweaks 00:35:23.210 --> 00:35:26.750 But it's still got the inherit core problem You 00:35:26.750 --> 00:35:29.610 don't get to talk fusion unless you run yes you 00:35:29.610 --> 00:35:32.550 gear only They're not letting anybody else play 00:35:32.550 --> 00:35:35.590 in their pool And they're doing whatever they 00:35:35.590 --> 00:35:37.989 can literally bribing repeater owners with free 00:35:37.989 --> 00:35:41.429 repeater stacks in order to put it out there 00:35:41.429 --> 00:35:44.210 Oh, it does D star too, but by the way, there's 00:35:44.210 --> 00:35:48.190 a few hiccups, but we'll ignore that Okay As 00:35:48.190 --> 00:35:52.769 far as the regular standard DMR stuff goes It's 00:35:52.769 --> 00:35:57.170 not used around here at all. It's one of those 00:35:57.170 --> 00:36:00.889 catch -22s. People, well, my buddies don't have 00:36:00.889 --> 00:36:04.989 it, so why should I get it? And if they don't 00:36:04.989 --> 00:36:07.449 have it, why buy it to begin with? Well, they 00:36:07.449 --> 00:36:09.190 won't have it unless somebody buys it and shows 00:36:09.190 --> 00:36:11.989 them how cool it is. Then they get hooked, and 00:36:11.989 --> 00:36:13.949 then their buddies start to buy it. Then you 00:36:13.949 --> 00:36:17.190 have individuals who, oh, no, this is bad. We 00:36:17.190 --> 00:36:21.989 don't like it. It's all new faggot. Chances are 00:36:21.989 --> 00:36:23.809 when you boil it down to it, they don't have 00:36:23.809 --> 00:36:25.789 the money for the new rig They're saying all 00:36:25.789 --> 00:36:28.949 their buddies disappear. So they're They're doing 00:36:28.949 --> 00:36:30.610 what they can to keep their buddies hanging out 00:36:30.610 --> 00:36:32.889 on the walk over Peter and you end up in this 00:36:32.889 --> 00:36:39.150 weird catch -22 situation All right, well You 00:36:39.150 --> 00:36:42.550 know, I wish they all would you know kind of 00:36:42.550 --> 00:36:45.889 play together and do certain things but I guess 00:36:45.889 --> 00:36:48.369 it's like a lot of things, you know, you have 00:36:48.369 --> 00:36:52.570 all these different standards and Sooner or later, 00:36:52.610 --> 00:36:56.309 it seems like one of them wins out. And so I 00:36:56.309 --> 00:36:59.309 don't know if that's going to be the case with 00:36:59.309 --> 00:37:03.769 this or not, but I really have not gotten into 00:37:03.769 --> 00:37:09.829 any of the digital voice stuff yet. And so I'm 00:37:09.829 --> 00:37:12.849 still trying to decide which one I want to go 00:37:12.849 --> 00:37:18.429 for and just trying to figure it all out. That's 00:37:18.429 --> 00:37:20.409 the interesting thing about these bar D star. 00:37:20.409 --> 00:37:23.769 It's an open protocol Yes, you can just as easily 00:37:23.769 --> 00:37:26.829 buy the chips from the company and put D star 00:37:26.829 --> 00:37:30.150 in the rigs. They don't They want you to use 00:37:30.150 --> 00:37:32.630 their proprietary system. It's a business decision. 00:37:32.650 --> 00:37:36.710 They've made Kenwood recently started out they 00:37:36.710 --> 00:37:38.949 took some of the eight hundreds the ID eight 00:37:38.949 --> 00:37:42.050 hundreds and Rebranded them and sold them in 00:37:42.050 --> 00:37:45.510 Japan to kind of test the water and then they 00:37:45.510 --> 00:37:48.750 saw how it was getting picked up over in Japan 00:37:48.750 --> 00:37:51.849 and they went we need to get into this D star 00:37:51.849 --> 00:37:55.510 boat and then they began and we now have this 00:37:55.510 --> 00:37:58.010 new HT pretty soon you're going to see mobiles 00:37:58.010 --> 00:38:01.570 coming with it out and I foresee down the road 00:38:01.570 --> 00:38:05.010 you get another 10 or 20 years just like FM you 00:38:05.010 --> 00:38:08.809 can't buy a 2 meter transceiver without FM on 00:38:08.809 --> 00:38:12.289 it anymore it's just good luck with that it's 00:38:12.289 --> 00:38:14.070 going to be the same way with D star in about 00:38:14.070 --> 00:38:19.409 30 years Well, we will we will see how that goes 00:38:19.409 --> 00:38:23.070 and like I said, we're going to to have some 00:38:23.070 --> 00:38:29.329 more guests on that will talk about D star and 00:38:29.329 --> 00:38:32.969 DMR and system fusion and and kind of look at 00:38:32.969 --> 00:38:36.329 all of these technologies so we appreciate you 00:38:36.329 --> 00:38:38.710 coming on and telling us a little bit about your 00:38:38.710 --> 00:38:41.630 book and getting us a little bit of information 00:38:41.630 --> 00:38:45.250 about how it works and hopefully that will will 00:38:45.250 --> 00:38:49.829 help some folks out in their quest to do their 00:38:49.829 --> 00:38:54.849 programming. I know we had a couple of people 00:38:54.849 --> 00:38:57.610 who wrote in and said, you know, I bought this 00:38:57.610 --> 00:39:01.610 brand new modern D -Star radio and I have no 00:39:01.610 --> 00:39:06.050 idea how to program it. And so hopefully that 00:39:06.050 --> 00:39:09.369 will at least get them started and kind of thinking 00:39:09.369 --> 00:39:12.769 in the right direction and get them on their 00:39:12.769 --> 00:39:16.710 way to to getting that going so thanks a lot 00:39:16.710 --> 00:39:21.510 for coming online appreciate it and Hopefully 00:39:21.510 --> 00:39:26.969 this will be helpful to some folks No problem, 00:39:26.969 --> 00:39:29.809 I mean I ran into the same problem you run into 00:39:29.809 --> 00:39:32.570 the same questions over and over again That's 00:39:32.570 --> 00:39:34.710 why I wrote the book. That's why D star for dummies 00:39:34.710 --> 00:39:38.269 is always going to be free this way get your 00:39:38.269 --> 00:39:41.269 rig Which way you want to go you use the ICOM 00:39:41.269 --> 00:39:43.710 software. I haven't tried out the Kenwood software. 00:39:43.710 --> 00:39:46.190 I don't anything about that or the RT systems 00:39:46.190 --> 00:39:49.130 Okay. Now what do you do with these stuff? Here's 00:39:49.130 --> 00:39:51.650 the book This is a book you said should have 00:39:51.650 --> 00:39:54.650 come with your manual Read to it once you got 00:39:54.650 --> 00:39:58.690 there. You'll should be good to go turnkey. You're 00:39:58.690 --> 00:40:02.449 rocking and The hams usually they take off and 00:40:02.449 --> 00:40:07.519 they'd go do their own thing at that point Well 00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:10.380 thank you Charles and that's a wrap for this 00:40:10.380 --> 00:40:13.340 week's edition of HamTalk Live. I'd like to thank 00:40:13.340 --> 00:40:16.500 my guest Charles, W8KWA and everybody out there 00:40:16.500 --> 00:40:19.960 in cyberspace for listening and invite you back 00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:23.760 next Thursday night at 9 p .m eastern time when 00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:28.539 Gerald Youngblood, K5SDR, will be here and he's 00:40:28.539 --> 00:40:31.539 going to talk about of course his company Flex 00:40:31.539 --> 00:40:34.750 Radio and some other things. So be sure to tune 00:40:34.750 --> 00:40:37.429 in for that, should be a good one. For a list 00:40:37.429 --> 00:40:40.150 of all of our upcoming guests, visit HamTalkLive 00:40:40.150 --> 00:40:44.210 .com. So for now, this is Neil Rapp, WB9VPG, 00:40:44.250 --> 00:41:02.179 saying 7375, and may the good DX be yours. Music 00:41:02.179 --> 00:41:02.199 Playing