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HamTalk Live episode number 47. Setting up your

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D -Star rig with John Davis, WB4QDX, recorded

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live on Thursday, January 12th, 2017. I'm your

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host, Neil Rapp, WB9VPG. Thanks for tuning into

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this episode of HamTalk Live. Tonight, we'll

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be joined by John Davis, WB4QDX. who will take

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your questions about setting up your D -Star

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rig. We'll take your calls live after the break.

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Last week Dave Anderson K4SV was here to talk

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about how you compare radios and try to pick

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a good HF rig for you and also beverage antennas

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on YouTube. Before we take our first break tonight,

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I do want to mention that one of my colleagues

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over amateur radio news line has uh... asked

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for some prayers bobby best w x four a l a often

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does weather segments on news line and is a severe

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weather meteorologist for some groups of broadcast

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stations uh... in alabama and uh... bobby was

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diagnosed with prostate cancer this week this

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is his third about with cancer uh... and so uh...

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we we would ask that you uh... pray for Bobby

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so please join me in prayer for him and we hope

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he has a speedy recovery and a successful one

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as well. He's just getting started into what

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to do about all this so I just want to remember

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Bobby and if you're listening Bobby we're behind

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you and hope things are going well soon for you.

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Well get your D star questions ready after the

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interview We'll talk to John for a little bit

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and then I'll let you know when it's time to

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call and when you call There's a phone number.

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popular podcasting websites. Our guest tonight

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This is John Davis, WB4QDX. He started in amateur

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radio as a novice in 1969 as WN4QDX in Nashville,

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Tennessee when he upgraded to general and then

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advanced became WB4QDX. He was active on HF and

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VHF working a lot of ready and repeaters and

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moved to Atlanta in 1981. and he continued to

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stay active on VHF and UHF there and upgraded

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extra in 2001. John is very active on D -Star

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and operates the WD -4 STR repeaters in Lawrenceville,

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Georgia and helps with most of the other D -Star

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repeaters around Georgia. He is presented on

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D -Star at the Dayton Hamvention and was the

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moderator of last year's D -Star forum there

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as well. John is a member of the Gwinnett Amateur

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Radio Society, is active in EMCOM and ARIES as

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a district emergency coordinator for the Georgia

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section. He's also served as the emergency coordinator

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in Gwinnett County, Georgia for seven years and

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he is the past Treasurer and Georgia Vice Director

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for the Southeastern Repeater Association. So

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John, thanks for coming on HamTalk Live. It's

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a pleasure to be here. Yeah, I talked to Ray

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Novak over at ICOM and he said, you're the guy

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I need to have on here because I keep getting

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all these D -Star questions and we were talking

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before the show. I have not Delved into the digital

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VHF and UHF stuff yet. I have helped and and

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operated and and built and Everything else on

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the analog side of the repeater thing for many

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many years, but There's a lot of this that's

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going digital and we're going to try to do a

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show every once in a while on all of the different

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digital formats, but we wanted to focus on D

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-Star tonight because the number one question

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that I get is how to set up the rig. So we're

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going to try to focus on setup tonight. We can

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take some other questions, but we're going to

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try to kind of focus on that. That's the most

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frequently asked question I've had on the show

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since we came on the air in February. How do

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I set up a D -Star rig? I've got it ID 51. I

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have no idea how to use it, how to get it set

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up. And so we had a guest earlier back on episode

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36 that explained a lot of how the D -Star works

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and how to set up some of the older rigs. But

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again, most of the questions have been about

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the new latest and greatest radios with all the

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new features like the ICOM ID 51. So just the

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other day had somebody else say, well, I bought

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one and it's sitting right here. I have no idea.

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how to use it. So why don't you start off walking

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us through what you should do to set up one of

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these ID51s from ICOM. Sure, sure. You know,

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the first thing I would say is the ID51 in my

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mind, and I've owned quite a few handhelds over

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the years, but even if I were not doing D -Star,

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I would probably have an ID51 because it's got

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some great features that not only work on D -Star,

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but also work on regular analog FM. such as finding

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the nearest repeater from what you have in memory.

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An ID51 out of the box is a great improvement,

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as you said, over some of the early radios. If

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you were getting into D -STAR back in the 2010,

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11, 12 era, there was a larger learning curve

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that you had to go through to set it up. done

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this in the class that I've done at Dayton on

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Friday mornings of Dayton for the last five years,

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going through the older radios and then say,

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OK, we've got a new generation of radios like

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the ID 51. I'm sure we'll talk about the 5100

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mobile as well. But out of the box, I'll say

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ICOM was very smart to give you a radio that

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you can. Get on the air almost immediately. If

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you've got any charge on that battery, turn it

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on. The only thing you really need to do is enter

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your call sign. Because D -Star transmits your

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call sign every time you key the mic. So if you're

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an anonymous chunker of radios, then and repeaters,

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then you're probably out of luck with this. But

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that's all you have to do. It comes with a library,

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I'll say, of memories for various D -Star repeaters

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around the world, actually. So you can get on

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immediately, turn on your ID 51, turn on the

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internal GPS, give it a chance to lock up. get

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in the menu and say find me the nearest repeater

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and it will locate the nearest D star repeater

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for you and you are on the air without any other

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programming. You can then take it from there

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and and do a lot more things with it and we can

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talk about that but it's easy to get on the air

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immediately and pretty painless. Okay, so you

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just need to get the thing turned on charged

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up and and make sure you get your call sign in

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there and then Anything else about you know,

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you said you said it finds the repeater for you

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then Is there any other? maybe a little bit past

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the very basics that You know things you should

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probably do Well, there are a couple of things

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that are very handy with this radio. One of the

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things is that it accepts a micro SD card. And

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don't go out and buy a 64 gig micro SD card.

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Buy a four gig, eight gig, a little small inexpensive

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one, insert it in the radio. And what that allows

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you to do is save and load different memory configurations

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that you have stored on that card. Um, and that

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brings you to another feature, which is the memories

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can be updated very easily. As I mentioned earlier,

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it, it comes with, um, probably 750 D star repeaters,

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uh, already loaded in the memories. Now it won't

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have every one in the country because there are

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more than 750. And, uh, but you'll find one probably

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close by, especially in the major cities. It

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might have two or three ones, uh, different.

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different areas loaded. So you can get on the

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air immediately with that. The first thing I

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would do is put that SD card in and save what

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you have in the radio. Just export it to the

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SD card right away. I'm going to give you another

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resource which is a very good resource for DSTAR

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information as well as updating your memory and

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that's the website www .dstarinfo. It's a website

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that's done by Ed Woodrick, W -A -4 -Y -I -H,

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who's also very active in D -STAR, and he's put

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this site together. He's also built some very

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easy to use programs in there that you can download

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and update. your memories in your radio, and

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it's very easy to do following the instructions.

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In the radio that I have, when I'm going to travel

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to another area, let's say I'm going to Los Angeles.

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Well, I'll go out to dstarinfo .com, download

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the 750 closest repeaters to Los Angeles, California.

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and I can do a combination of FM repeaters as

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well as D star repeaters. And I will save that

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as a CSV file, have that on the SD card. I get

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off the plane in LA, turn on my radio, say import,

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pick the file name for Los Angeles. About 45

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seconds later, I've got the 750 closest repeaters

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to Los Angeles, California. So it's very easy

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to update your memories. Now one other thing

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I'll mention also is the question about registration.

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That's something that there's always a lot of

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questions about, but it's also an area that can

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be misunderstood. Let me just give you a few

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helpful hints on that. The first thing is registration

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is optional. You do not have to register your

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call sign to get on and talk on a D -STAR repeater

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or a D -STAR repeater that may be linked to a

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reflector which may have one, two, three, four,

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a hundred other repeaters linked to it. You do

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not have to register to do that. What the registration

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does is it allows you to link and unlink the

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local repeater that you're transmitting on to

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other repeaters, to other reflectors. then if

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you also have something like a DV dongle or a

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DV access point then you do have to register

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for that. Now you want to register on one and

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only one repeater and it really doesn't matter

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where in the world that you register. As long

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as you register and complete the registration

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process on one repeater. A question that always

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comes up is I try to register on my local repeater

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nearest to me. I filled out the initial registration

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part and I haven't heard a thing for weeks. Unfortunately,

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there are some repeater administrators out there

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that don't check for new registrations and therefore

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they can kind of leave someone stranded. What

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I'll offer in this, I say this in my class at

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Dayton, is If you would like to, if you've had

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a problem like that, and if you would like to

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register, I will be more than happy to process

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your registration on my local repeater, WD4STR,

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Whiskey Delta 4 Sierra Tango Romeo. That repeater

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is located in Georgia. The database is backed

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up in two different places. So it's got a very

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robust database which will be protected. And

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then you can register there if you've had any

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trouble. Let's say you've already registered

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or attempted to register on another repeater.

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You haven't heard anything back. Shoot me an

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email. WB4QDX at arrl .net. Let me know your

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situation. I can probably help you. getting you

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registered on one of our repeaters here, and

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then I'll try to work with the US Trust Server

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team to eliminate that registration on the original

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repeater where you tried to register. So registration

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is a three -step process. First thing you do

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is go to a repeater and there'll usually be a

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registration link. You'll fill out your name,

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your email address, your call sign, and a password.

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And then it's up to the repeater administrator

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to approve your call sign. Once they do that,

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you have to log back in and do what's called

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a space terminal. What I mean by that is you're

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going to go back in, you're going to actually

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hit the space bar in a certain location. on that

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screen and then you will be completely registered

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and that database synchronizes with all the D

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-START repeaters around the world. Now there's

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some very good instructions on how to do that.

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I want to give you a website link which gives

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you very detailed instructions on how to do that

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and that's at www. dot d -star gateway dot o

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-r -g, d -star gateway dot o -r -g. That'll bring

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up a document that'll give you step -by -step

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instructions with screenshots showing the screens

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that you'll have to go through for that. Now

00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:45.539
don't register on that site. It's using the screens

00:19:45.539 --> 00:19:49.740
from W4DOC, which is a very powerful repeater

00:19:49.740 --> 00:19:53.039
here in the Atlanta area. But if you will just

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enter WD4STR or look for the registration for

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that. I'll be glad to help you if you run into

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any problems with that. That's kind of the first

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steps of getting on the air, get registered,

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and then you can rock and roll from there, Neil.

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All great information. Hopefully that helps answer

00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:18.200
a lot of the questions we've been getting, and

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if not, you'll have a chance to call in here

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in a little bit. and ask those. So before we

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take a break here, let's take a couple of minutes

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to talk about the ID5100 mobile and then we'll

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also get into the Kenwood handheld. But go ahead

00:20:37.660 --> 00:20:40.420
and talk about the mobile for a minute. Well,

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the ID5100 mobile is very similar to the ID5100

00:20:46.779 --> 00:20:50.000
handheld. It's a 50 watt mobile. It's a dual

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band and dual receive, meaning you can receive

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two signals simultaneously, kind of like a Yezu

00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:03.220
FT8800, 8900, and also the earlier D -STAR radio,

00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:09.579
the 2820. Now you're only receiving one D star

00:21:09.579 --> 00:21:11.880
signal at a time and typically what you'll have

00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:15.500
is on one side of the radio you may have a D

00:21:15.500 --> 00:21:17.640
star repeater local D star repeater to the other

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side of the radio you may have your favorite

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FM repeater that's what I do is I'm traveling

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around town here. The menu system on the 5100

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is very very similar to the ID 51. So you will

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like that. Let me mention one more thing, and

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this applies to both the 51 and the 5100. One

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of the, I'll try to say this in a nice way, one

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of the shortcomings in the initial setup of a

00:21:46.730 --> 00:21:51.349
51 or a 5100, you will notice if you go into

00:21:51.349 --> 00:21:55.029
what's called DR mode, Delta Romeo, DR mode,

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That makes it very simple to find repeaters.

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So find the DR button either on the 5100 or the

00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:07.240
51. Press that and you'll see the screen goes

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to two sections. One will say to TO and one will

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say from. 2 is where you want to go. So highlight

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2, you can scroll through that and find a repeater.

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From is going to be the local repeater where

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you are actually going into. Now, you will typically

00:22:31.490 --> 00:22:35.789
in the 2 field for just talking, you're going

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to want to set that to CQ, CQ, CQ. Now there

00:22:40.410 --> 00:22:46.420
are different CQ, CQ, CQ settings. And unfortunately,

00:22:46.460 --> 00:22:50.019
the one that comes up by default is what's called

00:22:50.019 --> 00:22:53.599
the local CQ. Now that's fine for talking on

00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:56.839
your local repeater, but if your repeater is

00:22:56.839 --> 00:23:01.039
linked, your signal will not go outside of the

00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:04.900
local repeater unless you use a different CQ.

00:23:05.460 --> 00:23:08.880
So what you'll want to do with that is press

00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:13.109
2 or highlight the 2. And then you will, in fact

00:23:13.109 --> 00:23:15.170
let me turn on my radio here to make sure I'm

00:23:15.170 --> 00:23:17.190
giving you the instructions exactly correctly

00:23:17.190 --> 00:23:24.710
on that. You will say 2 and then it will say

00:23:24.710 --> 00:23:29.210
you will select your call sign or reflector.

00:23:29.450 --> 00:23:31.569
Actually the one you want to select is reflector.

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And if you press reflector in the menu and then

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use reflector. Select that and then you'll notice

00:23:38.490 --> 00:23:42.809
in the to field it'll say use reflector CQ CQ

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CQ if you've ever been on D star and you only

00:23:46.430 --> 00:23:50.089
heard one side of the conversation On a distant

00:23:50.089 --> 00:23:52.789
repeater. That's exactly what's happening both

00:23:52.789 --> 00:23:55.869
stations are on a repeater the same repeater

00:23:55.869 --> 00:23:58.930
and One station will have local CQ set up instead

00:23:58.930 --> 00:24:03.390
of use repeater or use reflector. So that other

00:24:03.390 --> 00:24:06.390
station is not that their voice is not being

00:24:06.390 --> 00:24:09.049
allowed to go outside of their local repeater.

00:24:10.230 --> 00:24:12.710
So that's a common mistake that people make.

00:24:13.789 --> 00:24:17.890
If you set it to CQ CQ CQ use reflector or use

00:24:17.890 --> 00:24:19.970
repeater. It's a little different on different

00:24:19.970 --> 00:24:22.769
radios. You'll be all set to go. And that's in

00:24:22.769 --> 00:24:26.250
the 2, the TO field. And that's what's simplified.

00:24:26.970 --> 00:24:29.230
DR mode is what's simplified with the 51 and

00:24:29.230 --> 00:24:32.630
the 5100. You don't have to worry about programming

00:24:32.630 --> 00:24:36.630
all these extra fields for each memory. Very

00:24:36.630 --> 00:24:41.130
good. And let's take just a minute here to talk

00:24:41.130 --> 00:24:43.950
about the new Kenwood. Just a few months ago,

00:24:44.029 --> 00:24:47.380
Kenwood came out with their first D -Star radio,

00:24:47.660 --> 00:24:51.599
the TH -D74 handheld. It is a tri -bander. It

00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:55.420
does a little bit of everything, so tell us just

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a little bit about the setup on a TH -D74. Well,

00:25:00.789 --> 00:25:02.990
Kenwood did a very good job in introducing their

00:25:02.990 --> 00:25:05.349
first D -Star radio, and I really would like

00:25:05.349 --> 00:25:09.210
to congratulate Kenwood for coming out and supporting

00:25:09.210 --> 00:25:13.809
as the second of the major manufacturers to enter

00:25:13.809 --> 00:25:17.450
with a D -Star radio. Therefore, you have two

00:25:17.450 --> 00:25:20.609
of the three, I will say, major ones supporting

00:25:20.609 --> 00:25:24.289
that, which pretty much establishes D -Star as

00:25:24.289 --> 00:25:26.750
kind of... I hate to really use this term, but

00:25:26.750 --> 00:25:29.849
I'll say the de facto digital voice standard.

00:25:30.410 --> 00:25:35.029
The Kenwood D74 TH -D74, full product name, it's

00:25:35.029 --> 00:25:38.589
got some great features. Even without the D -star

00:25:38.589 --> 00:25:42.849
aside, being a tri -band, 2 meter, 220, 440,

00:25:43.230 --> 00:25:45.769
gives you excellent capabilities. I've never

00:25:45.769 --> 00:25:48.940
been on 220 before having this radio. The other

00:25:48.940 --> 00:25:52.740
side is it's got, in the Kenwood tradition, it's

00:25:52.740 --> 00:25:57.279
got some very good APRS capabilities. And I think,

00:25:57.539 --> 00:26:00.039
because I'm still exploring, one of the things

00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:02.579
that really interested me on that is being able

00:26:02.579 --> 00:26:07.180
to access kind of the full TNC commands, which

00:26:07.180 --> 00:26:11.700
I understand the D72 had. And I think that they've

00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:15.259
carried that over to the D74 as well. Now on

00:26:15.259 --> 00:26:19.640
the DSTAR side, Kenwood's entry into DSTAR, they

00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:23.819
made a very good effort at doing that and they're

00:26:23.819 --> 00:26:27.660
still coming out with firmware upgrades to fix

00:26:27.660 --> 00:26:31.099
some bugs and also kind of correct some of the

00:26:31.099 --> 00:26:33.480
maybe the startup things that didn't go exactly

00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:46.009
right, but they They also have the ability to

00:26:46.009 --> 00:26:49.750
upgrade and update your memories as well with

00:26:49.750 --> 00:26:53.630
a small SD card. One thing I really like about

00:26:53.630 --> 00:26:59.471
the D74 is that it has, rather than being a...

00:26:59.470 --> 00:27:03.569
like the very small, the 2 .5 millimeter 3 -pin

00:27:03.569 --> 00:27:08.230
serial interface on it, it's got a small USB.

00:27:08.369 --> 00:27:10.390
I don't remember whether it's the mini or the

00:27:10.390 --> 00:27:14.839
micro. I think it may be the mini USB. So a standard

00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:18.880
USB cable will allow you to connect it to a laptop

00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.039
or another computer. Their programming software

00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:25.500
is free, but I also think the people at RT Systems

00:27:25.500 --> 00:27:29.380
have software as well for programming the D74.

00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:32.559
Good radio, and I think it continues to improve.

00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:35.900
There are a couple of shortcomings, but I think

00:27:35.900 --> 00:27:38.420
they'll be corrected as time goes on. One of

00:27:38.420 --> 00:27:42.019
them is in D -Star you have the ability to not

00:27:42.019 --> 00:27:46.319
only transmit voice, but data along with it,

00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:49.839
basically around 1 ,200 BPS data, similar to

00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:51.859
packet, but you can do a whole lot more with

00:27:51.859 --> 00:27:55.140
that. Now in the ICOM radios, it's easy to just

00:27:55.140 --> 00:28:00.279
one cable, connect to a 51 or 5100 mobile, and

00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:04.640
you can do some data transfer with free programs

00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:09.619
like DRATs, very good program for that. Here

00:28:09.619 --> 00:28:11.680
in Georgia in our ARIES group, that's one of

00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:14.789
the three digital mode, digital data modes that

00:28:14.789 --> 00:28:18.210
we support along with the NBEAMS FLDG package

00:28:18.210 --> 00:28:22.190
and Winlink. Unfortunately, right now in the

00:28:22.190 --> 00:28:28.380
D74, you can't run things like DRATs and use

00:28:28.380 --> 00:28:30.700
that as a data interface, but I think that will

00:28:30.700 --> 00:28:35.420
probably improve. It's probably just one or two

00:28:35.420 --> 00:28:37.920
firmware upgrades away from having that as well.

00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:41.839
But it's a good radio. It's a bit on the pricey

00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:44.740
side. Price will probably come down like all

00:28:44.740 --> 00:28:48.380
ham radios do. So it's a little bit pricey, but

00:28:48.380 --> 00:28:51.559
you're getting a lot of... extra features in

00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:54.819
the tri -band and the full APRS capabilities.

00:28:55.220 --> 00:28:58.859
Good radio overall. I really do like it. All

00:28:58.859 --> 00:29:01.779
right, very good. Well, there are some options

00:29:01.779 --> 00:29:05.420
for you if you're looking to get into D -Star

00:29:05.420 --> 00:29:09.799
or if you have the D -Star rig already, hopefully

00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:14.039
that will help you get on the air. And if not,

00:29:14.140 --> 00:29:16.750
we're going to... Take a break and then we're

00:29:16.750 --> 00:29:19.569
going to give you a chance to ask questions.

00:29:20.230 --> 00:29:24.289
So Get your dialing fingers ready 812 net ham

00:29:24.289 --> 00:29:29.390
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00:29:29.390 --> 00:29:33.569
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00:31:26.210 --> 00:31:29.769
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00:31:29.769 --> 00:31:31.990
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00:31:31.990 --> 00:31:35.950
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00:31:47.210 --> 00:31:53.410
questions, and I do have one already from Twitter

00:31:53.410 --> 00:32:00.950
from KC7ZIE wants to know about registering with

00:32:00.950 --> 00:32:03.049
my local repeater and haven't heard back, which

00:32:03.049 --> 00:32:06.109
you've already addressed. So I think we've got

00:32:06.109 --> 00:32:13.340
that one covered. And he also wants to know Little

00:32:13.340 --> 00:32:17.420
differences between DMR, Fusion, and D -Star

00:32:17.420 --> 00:32:22.200
besides price. So again, we're trying to keep

00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:24.839
it on setup tonight, but I don't want to pass

00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:28.880
over the question. So if you can offer a short

00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:32.279
comparison of those, I know that that's hard

00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:36.059
to do in a minute or two, but if you can answer

00:32:36.059 --> 00:32:40.490
that at least a little bit. voice is something

00:32:40.490 --> 00:32:43.769
that's very exciting and I do all three of those

00:32:43.769 --> 00:32:46.609
modes because I really like learning about them.

00:32:46.930 --> 00:32:49.799
In fact, that's... Getting into the digital modes

00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:54.380
with first D star than DMR infusion Has really

00:32:54.380 --> 00:32:56.839
revived a lot of my interest in is kind of the

00:32:56.839 --> 00:33:00.259
area that I focus on in ham radio Starting with

00:33:00.259 --> 00:33:06.059
D star D star is the most widely used Of the

00:33:06.059 --> 00:33:11.339
modes. It is a narrowband digital mode It it's

00:33:11.339 --> 00:33:14.190
been around since Well, I guess it kind of started

00:33:14.190 --> 00:33:17.369
around 2005, but really hit its stride around

00:33:17.369 --> 00:33:21.849
2010, and there's, gosh, tens of thousands of

00:33:21.849 --> 00:33:26.809
registered DSTAR users around the world. It's

00:33:26.809 --> 00:33:29.470
a very good mode, and it has both, as I said

00:33:29.470 --> 00:33:34.299
earlier, voice and data capabilities. DMR is

00:33:34.299 --> 00:33:37.960
a commercial digital radio standard. It's actually

00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:44.440
a standard from in Europe with Etsy, ETSI, European

00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:47.480
Telecommunication Standards Institute, I believe

00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:50.059
is what that stands for. But it's been brought

00:33:50.059 --> 00:33:54.960
over into ham radio applications. It's a little

00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:57.559
bit different. It's got a lot of similarities

00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.339
in that it's true digital and it is a narrower

00:34:01.860 --> 00:34:05.640
Signal on the air than an FM signal is not quite

00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:08.460
as narrow as D star but very very spectrally

00:34:08.460 --> 00:34:12.659
efficient now the difference in DMR is It transmits

00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:15.079
in what's called time division multiple access

00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:19.900
or TDMA, which means you actually have two conversations,

00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:23.940
two separate conversations going on on one RF

00:34:23.940 --> 00:34:29.019
carrier. And because it's time division, each

00:34:29.019 --> 00:34:32.420
one transmits for only a fraction of a second.

00:34:32.619 --> 00:34:34.659
I think it's somewhere around 200 milliseconds,

00:34:34.820 --> 00:34:37.260
a fifth of a second, and they alternate back

00:34:37.260 --> 00:34:41.139
and forth. But you pick out on your radio, one

00:34:41.139 --> 00:34:46.099
of the two time slots or conversations that you

00:34:46.099 --> 00:34:52.019
hear on that. DMR is a very robust modulation

00:34:52.019 --> 00:34:55.980
scheme because it is used for public safety,

00:34:56.659 --> 00:35:00.920
similar to what we see with a lot of large interoperable

00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:05.309
systems used as P25 standard. I call DMR the

00:35:05.309 --> 00:35:09.769
poor man's P25, but it's had a great adaptation

00:35:09.769 --> 00:35:14.070
and growth in amateur radio and there are a lot

00:35:14.070 --> 00:35:18.190
of DMR repeaters in the US, North America and

00:35:18.190 --> 00:35:21.230
around the world. So it's another mode as well.

00:35:21.769 --> 00:35:26.889
Now the final one, Yezu's system fusion. It's

00:35:26.889 --> 00:35:30.480
a very good technology. Unfortunately, I think

00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.500
Yezu's implementation of it and how they've rolled

00:35:33.500 --> 00:35:37.599
it out has probably been lacking and that's reflected

00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:42.760
in its growth. Yezu tried to really foster the

00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:47.280
growth by offering these $500 system fusion repeaters

00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:50.780
and it would operate either FM or Fusion. And

00:35:50.780 --> 00:35:53.539
I think they've sold several thousand of them.

00:35:53.659 --> 00:35:56.860
Unfortunately, most people bought them to replace

00:35:56.860 --> 00:36:01.320
their aging FM repeaters using the old Motorola

00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:04.920
Micore and and technologies has been around since

00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:09.679
the 80s or 70s even there. So many of those repeaters,

00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:11.360
unfortunately, will never have a digital signal

00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:16.260
go through them with the. adoption of a D -Star

00:36:16.260 --> 00:36:21.239
radio by Kenwood and not going with a separate

00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:26.920
standard or system fusion. It's kind of fueled

00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:30.920
a second wave of growth for D -Star and DMR continues

00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:34.059
to grow. So the two of those are kind of the

00:36:34.059 --> 00:36:37.840
dominant standards and then you have system fusion

00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:42.280
is kind of a very distant. third and the capability

00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:45.559
to be able to link repeaters etc. like you can

00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:50.719
with DMR and D -Star has been lacking and that's

00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:52.519
really stymied a lot of the growth for that.

00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:54.500
So that's kind of the shortest version I can

00:36:54.500 --> 00:36:57.849
do, Neil. Okay, very good. And we're going to

00:36:57.849 --> 00:37:00.789
do some more DMR shows and some system fusion

00:37:00.789 --> 00:37:03.869
stuff too in the future. We just kind of try

00:37:03.869 --> 00:37:06.610
to spread them out a little bit. So we'll try

00:37:06.610 --> 00:37:10.889
to get into some of those later on. But tonight's

00:37:10.889 --> 00:37:16.250
D -STAR. So we're focusing on setting up D -STAR

00:37:16.250 --> 00:37:19.710
radios. So give us a call if you have a question

00:37:19.710 --> 00:37:26.289
about D -STAR. It's 812 -NATAM1 -812 -6384. 261

00:37:26.289 --> 00:37:30.809
or you can Skype us at HamTalk Live or you can

00:37:30.809 --> 00:37:34.789
send it via Twitter our handle is at HamTalk

00:37:34.789 --> 00:37:38.829
Live we have about five minutes left so now's

00:37:38.829 --> 00:37:41.309
your chance to ask your questions if there's

00:37:41.309 --> 00:37:45.329
anything that you're having trouble with on one

00:37:45.329 --> 00:37:50.369
of these D star rigs why let us know 812 net

00:37:50.369 --> 00:37:55.690
ham one is the phone number And hopefully we'll

00:37:55.690 --> 00:37:58.909
hear from a couple of people yet tonight. And

00:37:58.909 --> 00:38:04.010
we want to thank, let me get the name up here,

00:38:04.230 --> 00:38:09.269
or the call sign, KC7ZIE for tweeting in tonight.

00:38:10.789 --> 00:38:15.429
Oh, I have another one on Twitter from KB2YSI.

00:38:15.789 --> 00:38:19.570
Wants to know, is an IC7100 still compatible

00:38:19.570 --> 00:38:24.559
with the newer Radios in D -Star? Yes, it is.

00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:28.400
I have one of those. I'm radio poor as you can

00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.099
see. Yeah, you have one of everything, right?

00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:36.000
Quite a few I had to be careful a couple of months

00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.780
ago I was on a local net talking about the number

00:38:38.780 --> 00:38:40.719
of radios that I have my I didn't notice But

00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:43.659
my xyl was sitting across the room counting on

00:38:43.659 --> 00:38:47.119
fingers all the number of radios She said I'm

00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:50.880
gonna have a great time shopping 7100 the 7100

00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:58.480
has the dr. Mode just like the 5151. So for DSTAR

00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:02.340
activity on VHF, UHF, and actually you can do

00:39:02.340 --> 00:39:06.940
DSTAR on HF. If you'll go to dstarinfo .com,

00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:08.659
you can find some information. There are some

00:39:08.659 --> 00:39:12.219
nets on that as well. The 7100 is a great kind

00:39:12.219 --> 00:39:15.719
of all -band radio that you can also do D -Star.

00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:18.480
So it does incorporate the new features. You

00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:22.619
can import and export memories as well on it

00:39:22.619 --> 00:39:25.780
with an SD card. It has a full -size SD card,

00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:29.400
not the micro size. So a lot of the same features

00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:34.619
translate to the 7100. Good radio and very economically

00:39:34.619 --> 00:39:38.340
priced for an all -band radio. And a pretty good

00:39:38.340 --> 00:39:42.739
-looking radio, too. It is. It is. It is. 812

00:39:42.739 --> 00:39:46.239
Net Ham 1. This is your last chance. We just

00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:49.260
have a couple of minutes remaining. 812 Net Ham

00:39:49.260 --> 00:39:53.380
1. Give us a phone call or Skype us at HamTalk

00:39:53.380 --> 00:39:58.739
Live or send us a tweet at HamTalk Live. And

00:39:58.739 --> 00:40:03.909
again, thanks to KB2YSI Don Rhodes for uh...

00:40:03.909 --> 00:40:07.530
checking in with us tonight and uh... and asking

00:40:07.530 --> 00:40:11.409
questions so uh... we've got time for one more

00:40:11.409 --> 00:40:15.429
if we can uh... if we can pick one up uh... you

00:40:15.429 --> 00:40:17.269
know there was one thing if you if you know i'm

00:40:17.269 --> 00:40:19.670
yeah yeah you want to mention something that's

00:40:19.670 --> 00:40:22.110
right yeah we've uh... we've done a class at

00:40:22.110 --> 00:40:24.829
dayton uh... for the last five years on friday

00:40:24.829 --> 00:40:27.610
morning is a three -hour class going through

00:40:27.610 --> 00:40:29.769
everything from the basics of D -STAR all the

00:40:29.769 --> 00:40:33.550
way to some of the new devices like dongles and

00:40:33.550 --> 00:40:37.469
DVAPs and hotspots and everything else. But those

00:40:37.469 --> 00:40:41.710
programs can be streamed. If you'll go to the

00:40:41.710 --> 00:40:46.030
www .dstarinfo .com website and look under the

00:40:46.030 --> 00:40:49.289
conferences tab, you can access those programs.

00:40:49.309 --> 00:40:52.849
You can also find those on YouTube as well. If

00:40:52.849 --> 00:40:55.329
you're new to D -STAR and need some information,

00:40:55.690 --> 00:40:58.860
we'll go into a lot more detail than we've been

00:40:58.860 --> 00:41:02.000
able to do tonight about setting up either one

00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:05.159
of the earlier generation radios like the 2820,

00:41:05.420 --> 00:41:10.559
the 880 radios like that as well as the new generation

00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:16.900
3151, 5100, 7100 that incorporates the DR mode.

00:41:17.219 --> 00:41:20.539
So you can find that at DSTARinfo .com and an

00:41:20.539 --> 00:41:22.440
awful lot of other information is available to

00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:27.239
you there. Very good, and we've got another one

00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:31.139
from John Ayers here says I was wondering how

00:41:31.139 --> 00:41:34.320
to use the gateway to get directly to repeaters

00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:40.920
on the 5100 That I think what you're asking on

00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:46.380
that is how do There's a Linux PC that's actually

00:41:46.380 --> 00:41:48.840
attached to repeaters. It's called the Gateway,

00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.940
and that allows that repeater to connect via

00:41:52.940 --> 00:41:55.519
the Internet to reflectors, which are like big

00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:58.460
conference bridges or to other repeaters. Now,

00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:00.739
if you're depending on the radio you have, if

00:42:00.739 --> 00:42:04.139
you have one of the 51s or 5100s, that's all

00:42:04.139 --> 00:42:07.679
handled kind of magically for you in DR mode

00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:13.619
that when you select the two. and from that will

00:42:13.619 --> 00:42:18.119
allow you to connect through that gateway out

00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:21.079
to other repeaters or reflectors. What you do

00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:23.780
is in the from heading you will set your local

00:42:23.780 --> 00:42:27.250
repeater. In the 2 setting, normally again you

00:42:27.250 --> 00:42:30.889
have the use reflector or use repeater CQ, CQ,

00:42:30.989 --> 00:42:34.530
CQ, but you can change what's in the 2 field

00:42:34.530 --> 00:42:37.989
and that will allow you to connect to reflectors.

00:42:38.369 --> 00:42:41.650
For example, reflector 1 Charlie is a very popular

00:42:41.650 --> 00:42:45.710
one. Reflector 30 Charlie is a very popular one.

00:42:46.610 --> 00:42:50.610
There is a list of reflectors out on DSTARinfo

00:42:50.610 --> 00:42:54.900
.com, so some of them are regional. Some of them

00:42:54.900 --> 00:42:58.920
have a certain language worldwide. There are

00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:01.119
others that are certain interest groups and some

00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:05.559
are more geared toward MCOM or ARIES type things

00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:09.460
as well. But you change where you want your local

00:43:09.460 --> 00:43:12.579
repeater, your radio to go through that local

00:43:12.579 --> 00:43:15.360
repeater by changing what's in the to field.

00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:18.119
And once you highlight that, rotate the knob

00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:22.199
and you'll see access to different reflectors

00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:26.380
around. All right, very good. Well, we are out

00:43:26.380 --> 00:43:29.550
of time and we just had a call come in, so I'm

00:43:29.550 --> 00:43:33.469
sorry we didn't get to you tonight. But John,

00:43:33.489 --> 00:43:36.690
I want to thank you for coming on. But that is

00:43:36.690 --> 00:43:40.710
a wrap for this week's edition of HamTalk Live.

00:43:41.090 --> 00:43:44.550
Thanks to John Davis, WB4QDX, and he's available

00:43:44.550 --> 00:43:49.849
at WB4QDX at arrl .net. And thanks to everybody

00:43:49.849 --> 00:43:52.110
out there in cyberspace for listening and calling

00:43:52.110 --> 00:43:55.050
in and tweeting in. And I'll invite you all back

00:43:55.050 --> 00:44:23.989
next Thursday night at 9pm. 7 -3 and good luck

00:44:23.989 --> 00:44:25.849
from HamTalk Live.
