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Eisenberg K zero in EB recently returned from
Or to his beloved Nebraska from Xenia, Ohio Where
Dayton hamvention is on the move? Joe is well
known for his picture shows of hamvention and
that gave him a chance to check out the new gigs
over at Over at Xenia and hear about some of
the planning that's taking place for this year's
Hamvention. He is the longtime kit building editor
at CQ Magazine and often makes presentations
about kit building and offers kit builds at HamFest
conventions and club meetings. Joe started Ham
Radio at a very early age and has been licensed
since 1969 and he's also very well known for
his Dr. Seuss hat that he wears only at Dayton.
And, uh, he lives in Lincoln, Nebraska and avid
corn husker fan. We won't hold that too far against
him since you don't play Kentucky. So we'll deal
with that. And he works at the IT industry for
his day job. So Joe, thanks for coming on ham
talk live tonight. And especially on such short
notice, we, uh, we were kind of holding the spot
open here and, um, I appreciate you coming on
on short notice tonight. Well, thank you very
much Neil and I can tell you that the people
in Dayton are very very busy You'll never see
a more dedicated group of people. In fact having
dinner with the general chairman before the club
meeting Four weeks ago. I was astonished at how
many texts and phone calls he gets and He's retired,
so his real full -time job is being chairman
of Hamvention. And he says it starts when he
gets up and it goes till late in the evening
that he's getting calls over all different aspects
because he's basically trying to reinvent the
biggest ham show in the world in a new place.
In past years, it's only been minor changes here
and there, and now it's a complete sea change
of what it's gonna look like. Now one year when
I was doing the my little ham fest down in Evansville,
which was nowhere close to Dayton We had A little
mix -up shall we say with the the fairgrounds
people and They they rented our building out
And so we had to change locations and it was
still, you know, the same fairgrounds, but it
was different building, different setup. and
oh my goodness it was like starting all over
again because you just got to replant everything
and try to make things fit with less room and
and you know locate this and locate that and
change this traffic pattern and change and oh
it was it was just like starting all over again
so I can only imagine what they're having to
go through changing things, trying to park everybody
on site now and splitting up into separate buildings
and just all of the things that are that are
going on to make that change where normally you
get into a routine and you know people kind of
know their jobs and everything's you know running
fine. You make some little tweaks here and there
to improve and then now all of a sudden all that's
gone and It's kind of exciting in a way. It's
also kind of a downer in a way that, you know,
after going for so many years to Hera, it's like,
you know, the pattern, you know, where you want
to go, which places you want to make sure to
get to, you know, and you can prioritize things
and you've got this plan. Well, I, and now it's
all God. Yeah, I told them I said you know I
can tell somebody on my UHF frequency or on DMR
Hey, meet me in front of the icon booth well
everybody knew where that was it was right across
from the prize booth and Now you know we don't
know where that's going to be we don't know where
anything is I have been there, and I can tell
you that the amount of Square footage inside
is smaller than what was at hair arena The good
news is is that the buildings where the forums
are are much bigger the rooms are much bigger
Than what we had at hair arena for forums, and
we no longer have that room with the partitions
That separated from the exhibit hall where I
had to pretty much yells for everybody to hear
over it All the forms are going to be in heated
and air -conditioned buildings, and they're very
quiet, and they're completely, absolutely separated
from the commercial exhibits. So if you want
to attend the seminars, get ready for a nice,
comfortable time. Heated, air -conditioned, comfortable,
and quiet. And most of the buildings that have
the forms have their own restrooms in those buildings
as well. You can't hear this. But you just got
a standing ovation round of applause from no
more dividers in the forum rooms. Yeah, well,
I have to take it back. The two largest forum
rooms will have a divider, but it's a lot more
soundproof, OK? OK, we'll take it. But still,
it's heated and air conditioned and more well
lit. The carpet isn't beginning to grow roots
and things like that. No black mold on the ceiling.
No, no, it's going to look good. In fact, I made
a special slideshow in black and white, did some
artistic photography and I shot it a year ago
this month when I was there to do a kit build.
A year ago this month I went. Over to hair arena
and I started taking pictures and I went in and
found Karen Wampler who ran the place And I asked
her if I could just wander around and take pictures
and she she asked Why do you want to take pictures
now? And I said well, you know, I I want I just
want to document this place and then she kind
of figured out what I was doing and she asked
if I Wanted to have the main arena lit up which
was set up for hockey And I said, sure. And so
there's a lot of very artistic photos in this.
They were shot in color and then converted manually
to black and white. And I had to pay attention
to the shading and the contrast and so forth
to make it flow. And so there's a lot of artistic
photography that's involved in that slideshow.
And it's called Wish You Were Here. It has the
theme song from Pink Floyd. But the forum rooms,
you're going to love it. Three of them are pretty
close by. And the fourth one is kind of closer
to the horse track. But it's also indoors, heated,
and air conditioned, and a very comfortable building
with plenty of room. So I think we're going to
have the quietest forum rooms we've ever had
at Dayton. the exhibit halls Quite frankly are
not heated or air -conditioned, but they're extremely
heavily ventilated and Big big fans and stuff
something that we did not have at hair arena
because at hair arena They could not heat or
air -condition those buildings and the reason
was is that the doors are always open It could
never keep up so What people don't realize is
for most of the history of hamvention it was
never heated or air -conditioned people don't
realize that So we're kind of at the mercy of
Ohio weather like we were before but these buildings
are very well insulated and You'll like it because
the buildings are square There isn't the hodgepodge
that you saw at hair arena There's also a covered
walkway between the three largest buildings.
So if it's raining, you can walk between them
and not have to get wet. However, as in all hamfests,
I'd say watch the weather and bring an umbrella
if you need. The flea market is going to be,
most of it is going to be inside the horse track.
There's an exception. There's a zone kind of
near the grandstand area that looks like it if
you look at it on a Google map It's it's kind
of brown mud and that's really what it is. It's
a mud bog that's used for tractor poles and so
Obviously, there's not gonna be a tractor poles,
but it's not a place you want to have a flea
market table either But otherwise the flea market
will be pretty similar to what we're used to,
but it'll also have a row of tables that goes
around the outside of the track, at least most
of it, except for the bog area. There's also
going to be more entrances to the track than
you can see on the Google map, as they make it
a lot easier for people to walk and drive in
and out of it. But one of the neat innovations
that they're going to do to make sure they have
enough room for all the inside exhibitors that
need it is they're going to have what they call
chateau type tents. I call them wedding tents.
They call them chateau tents. But they're very
nice. And those will be on concrete. There's
a paved parking lot that you can see that's to
the south of the main buildings. And that's going
to have these chateau tents that have more inside
exhibitors. And the inside exhibitors are not
only going to be in those three buildings, but
there's a fourth building kind of on the lower
right. If you look at the PDF that they now have
on the Hamvention web page, it has the booth
diagram. But it does not have the tent area yet,
as they're going to see how many inside exhibitors
they have. Figure out how much tent space they
need now for the flea market vendors They will
also have a new tent area now. I don't know if
you remember back around 2000 or 2001 they had
a tent in the far corner of the flea market yeah,
and this where That's where the old Radio Shack
as his place was yeah, and and that's gonna be
where You'll have some inside Tent vendors now
there were some vendors that came like those
surplus electronics places that had their own
tents And they will be probably accommodated
in that area as well So there's a grassy area
That's also in front of the main buildings between
that and the street and that will be for the
flea market tents and the Flea market vendors
that bring their own tents So the flea market
vendors that need normal stalls will be in the
stalled area that's in the horse track and then
there's an area on one edge of the track on the
outside of the fence that will also have flea
market stalls and then there will be this tented
area. that's immediately adjacent. And there
may also be some outside vendors that are in
tents or stalls that are between these, because
there will be all sorts of spaces. And the big
question was food. Is there going to be the beer
truck? Yes, there is. They've invited the guy
with the cheesecake on a stick. Yeah, it wouldn't
be ham -vention if you didn't have the cheesecake
on a stick. That's right. That was the first
question was, Is the cheesecake on a stick going
to be there? Yeah, and is the beer trucks going
to be there? And there'll be at least one beer
truck. They also have talked about the fact that
there's going to be a large catering. type vendor
that will be under a large tent serving, as well
as some local food trucks. And they said that
there will be some healthier eating options,
but there's also going to be possibly some fair
food as well. And speaking about fair food, when
you go to a state fair or a large county fair,
how do you get from the parking lot to the fairgrounds,
to the gate? It's usually a tractor pulled wagon,
correct? Well, yeah, I've seen some do that well,
that's what's gonna happen here so it'll be like
going to our Nebraska State Fair where you park
your car and you jump in the wagon that's being
pulled by a big tractor and It'll take you up
to the front gate where you get your tickets.
So very nice So that's what they're going to
do. They're also going to have many more golf
carts than they had before. They're going to
have pretty much an army of golf carts to help
people out that are having trouble getting around
or have boat anchors or things like that, power
transformers and so forth that are probably a
little more difficult to deal with. And so there
will be golf carts. But the nice thing is is
that you'll be able to ride those wagons out
to the parking area and get a lot closer to your
car because as fairgrounds, if you measure the
distance from one end to the other is a little
over one half mile from one end to the other.
Now, for the bicycle mobile hams, they never
had anything near her arena. They could do a
decent demo. This place has a bike trail that
actually bisects. Part of the fairgrounds and
it continues across the street along a trail
as well so the bicycle mobile people will actually
have a Great on -site demo area as well That's
that's all excellent. I'm glad to hear that those
things are coming and and Have they have they
given any? guarantees about No sewage well, you
know they've they've kind of talked about that
and It sounds like it's going to be through a
combination of things number one the facilities
here are much newer The fairgrounds was pretty
much leveled in an EF for tornado in 2000 and
rebuilt in 2001 so most all the buildings are
brand new and when they did that they changed
the drainage And that also goes with the drainage
from the infield of the horse track where the
flea market is and things like that. And so what
they've done is they've taken some of the parking
area and made it into a... soccer field area
during the summer and so to keep those usable
they obviously have subsurface drainage that
they've put in and The sewage system within the
place is also modernized and They're also talking
about bringing in large truck type washrooms
mobile washrooms and I've seen that before at
other events and they're very nice. So so we're
hoping everything goes well and we don't get
too much rain and Everybody has a great time
and I'm looking forward to it because it's my
37th Very good. Very good. Well, we've been trying
to get some dates scheduled here on the show
for the dear folks to come on and take everybody's
questions and We just haven't You know, they've
been busy. We haven't received any response from
them yet other than to assure they're going to
come on the show. So hopefully we'll have them
on soon and then we'll try to get them on again
within a few weeks of Hamvention when things
are closer to being finalized. I'm sure there's
a lot of scrambling going on. Here on HamTalk
Live, we've got five weeks of Hamvention coverage,
so you'll have to listen to that. Obviously,
they have more up -to -date information than
I do. Basically, the hints I got when I was there
was what the theme was going to be, which is
interesting because I always have a theme as
well. As you know, my slideshows, I take a song
and it has a theme. Two songs I'm actually gonna
do two of them this year one is the grand illusion
by sticks and Twice or three times in the song
it says deep inside were all the same and so
when they said it's same friends New home. I
thought well. This is perfect. It goes with the
song the other song I'm gonna use is the show
must go on it'll be a funnier look at people
getting around in the new venue. And that's by
Three Dog Night. So you'll dig around that song
and you'll say, what is Joe gonna do with that?
And it's gonna be fun. That camera's gonna be
busy this year, very busy. They've asked me to
be part of like the ribbon cutting. They want
me to do two things. They want me to take a picture
of the ribbon cutting and possibly don the hat
at that point. So we'll see. Because this will
be the 20th. uh Hamvention that it has been won.
Oh well look look for the dawning of the Dr.
Seuss hat at uh this year's Dayton Hamvention
and um Like I said, here on the show, we've got
five weeks of Hamvention preview shows leading
up to that weekend of May 19th. So be sure to
listen to HamTalk Live for what's coming up over
at Hamvention in Xenia. And we're going to broadcast
live again on Hamvention Eve, Thursday, May 18th.
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to take some calls, but we didn't talk kits because
we got all excited about Hamvention and we've
even got more that we can talk about on Hamvention,
but let's take a couple of minutes at least to
talk about this. this new kit that you want to
talk about. And if you want to call in, go ahead
and give us a call. It's 812 -NET -HAM -1. 812
-638 -4261. You may just have to wait a couple
of minutes while we're talking about the Bayou
Jumper. So what's a Bayou Jumper? Well a Bayou
jumper is kind of an interesting kit it was partially
designed by N5ib from Louisiana hence the name
Bayou and the transmit part and the integration
part of it and the circuit board layout was done
by David Kripe NM0S and for those of you who
don't know him he's designed a lot of the four
state QRP groups kits and he is Design engineer
for Rockwell Collins Collins radio in Cedar Rapids
So he knows what he's doing and he put together
some pretty incredible radios at very low cost
This particular kit fits in a wooden box that
you have to buy from Hobby Lobby and that's bought
separately from the kit. You order the kit from
the four -state group and it does come with four
blocks of wood that you need to mount the board
inside that box. So it does come with that part
of it, but you actually need the wooden box itself
from Hobby Lobby. And if you go to the four -state
QRP page, which is 4sqrp .com, you can... See
the number of the box that you need to put together
this kit now What it is is it's a replica of
a world war two paracet And what these were was
the originals were a crystal controlled transmitter
and a variable frequency regenerative receiver
very simple they were three tube sets and of
course they had to be plugged in or used with
some heavy batteries and these were dropped by
parachute behind enemy lines for people of the
resistance and underground to pick up and use
to communicate back to London and so forth so
just before of course when our military went
into Europe and so they were by nature very simple
transmitters and receivers they put out about
five watts and they had a simple regenerative
receiver well this is the same thing except for
solid state so you can run it off of 12 volts
the CW key is built into it just like it was
in the original and you plug in headphones just
like the original and you got to calibrate the
dial yourself with it and make a chart just like
the original was because it is a regenerative
receiver and the knobs and the placement and
the way it works is pretty much identical to
the way the original worked it's just with solid
state components instead of tubes so the receiver
only draws about 20 milliamps on receive which
is pretty phenomenal But it draws a lot more
than that when you transmit because it's putting
out five watts But there's no heat sink or anything
because he uses class E And there's one toroid
to wind and that's for the regenerative receiver
But there's no toroids to wind for the transmit
filters because they are spiral wound coils that
are built into the circuit board Already done
for you. It's it's pretty phenomenal and so The
Bayou Jumper has become a great big seller and
any money that's made from that helps to finance
Ozarkon, which is the four -state QRP's annual
gathering the first weekend in April in Branson,
Missouri. A great place to go. All right, and
we've got a picture of that on our social media
on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. So if you
want to see a picture of the Bayou Jumper, I
know my friend Scott in 4JN was Commenting how
beautiful that thing was earlier today. So yeah
the one I picture The one I sent is the one I
built and I'm I've yet to sand it and stain it
yet So, of course, obviously in the photo, it's
not gonna look as much different But when it's
done, they would will be a lot smoother and it'll
be stained and everything and people are putting
like travel stickers on an old -style travel
stickers like Paris Rome London or whatever and
I'm I'm going to decorate mine a little differently.
It'll have luggage tags and stickers from different
airlines. Nice. Very nice. 812 Net Ham 1 is the
telephone number. If you'd like to call in and
ask a question or a question about Hamvention,
give us a call. 812 Net Ham 1 or you can Skype
us at HamTalk Live or you can tweet to us. over
there on that Twitter thing at HamTalk Live.
And by the way, KB8DNS has sent us a tweet from
Michigan and says this will be his 12th trip
in a row to Dayton and will be at the Buildathon.
So he'll be there with you. And so Rod says seven
three and he's looking forward to the trip to
Dayton. The Buildathon at FDIM is hosted by Rex
W1REX from Maine and the kit this year is a combination
of previous kits he's made but he's kind of integrating
them and kind of redesigning them to make it
a lot more stable and what it is is a crystal
oscillator and a more stable crystal oscillator
that runs a frequency counter so that you can
plug a crystal in and Test it and what what the
object is is because so many people are building
these Bayou jumpers that use the the regular
old style crystals People are either taking the
guts out of a crystal and then putting a modern
crystal in the same case and closing it up Or
they're actually grinding down the quartz element
in the crystal like if it's just below the 40
meter band is ideal and they sand it down a bit
with the special method and they they get it
to resonate on one of the popular qrp frequencies
and so what Rex is going to do is everybody is
going to get to grind down their own crystals
to use with this kind of a kit and test it and
see what exact Frequency it's on and then obviously
take home that device so that you can sand down
and adjust your own crystals Wow Which I think
is I think it's spectacular now. He did this
he did this with one test set So everybody had
to test from the same machine in at Ozark on
About eight or nine years ago or so and it was
a lot of fun and so now he's modernizing that
so everybody gets to build the test set and take
it home and have a couple of crystals that they've
ground and can use with these parasat type radios
and obviously these crystals once they're ground
and stuff can be used both in the solid state
version and some people are making tube type
replicas that are are even more hewn towards
the original But I like the solid state one,
because it's a lot lighter and a lot easier to
deal with. But it's going to be a lot of fun.
Now, the Buildathon at Ozarkon, this one is going
to be an 80 meter CW transceiver. And it's also
designed by David Kripe, NM0S. And it's kind
of a better version of a Pixi. Much more sensitive
receiver so you can actually hear something a
lot easier And it will still have the spiral
wound coils on the board just for 80 meters so
that the output matches the FCC specs for harmonic
output and so forth and makes a bandpass filter
for the input so It's going to be a spectacular
build -a -thon season Excellent, and we want
to get into some more ham -vincing stuff, but
if you've got a question, we just have a few
minutes left. So give us a call now at 812 -NATAM
-1. That's 812 -638 -4261. or tweet us over at
HamTalk Live. And again, on the questions, realize
that Joe isn't the official spokesperson for
Dara. He's just one of their special guests and
has documented by photography tons and tons of
Hamvention history. So he'll be able to answer
your questions as best he can, but we're still.
hoping to get some of the committee on here soon
and again before hamvention takes place so we
can get as much information as possible that's
up to date so 812 net ham one is the number if
you want to give us a call do that right now
and i know During the commercial we were talking
you said you want to talk a little bit about
traffic and the Talk -in arrangements and some
changes that were going on on that. So Go ahead
and address those and we'll see if we have some
questions for you All right, Neil. Well The obvious
obstacle here when you're looking at the Google
map is the fact that the road that goes in front
of it is two lanes without a turn lane or shoulder
So you're going to have to have some active traffic
control to get things moving there Correctly
and obviously the local residents are going to
have to avoid that area They said that they actually
have somebody who is a professional traffic engineer
And he is working carefully on traffic patterns
and ideas to get people in and out the quickest
way possible. And is working with, I think they
said four different law enforcement agencies,
including the county sheriff, the Xenia police,
the people that run the park, as well as the
Ohio Highway Patrol. And they're going to. make
an effort to make sure that traffic moves smoothly
going in and out because once again, you're bringing
in 25 ,000 people into a county fairgrounds that
previously has seen about 8 ,000 or more on a
peak day in the county fair. So not that it can't
handle it because it will, but we're going to
be needing to use the resources as best possible.
And they showed me how they're going to have
a group that Normally is responsible for parking
the cars during the county fair and they will
be Premarking the parking area and organizing
and routing the cars in so everybody gets parked
as quickly as possible and gets out gets in those
wagons and on to the gates Very good, and then
you mentioned something about talking. Yeah,
of course 146 .94 is the main Darrow repeater
they may have Another repeater that may or may
not we're not sure you know might have some recorded
messages or something and There might be other
outlets through the local broadcasters and so
forth to make sure that people know what they're
dealing with because absolutely the first day
or two of this thing is going to be Interesting
because nobody's been there And everybody knew
where they were going going to hair arena because
each year only a small percentage five or ten
percent or so were people who had never been
there So here you're dealing with almost a hundred
percent of people have never been to this place
so the talking is going to be important and keeping
an ear out because obviously there'll be people
going the same way you are and Listening to those
instructions as well as having some kind of GPS
or something might be handy as well Yeah, everybody
had their own little favorite way to to get there
and and to get to where you wanted to go and
That's all gone now. So Well, we're just gonna
be alerting experience We'll find our new favorites
and a lot of people are changing where they stay
My hotel is now in the Beaver Creek area. So
I don't have to travel as far if I if I kept
my old reservation I'd be driving an extra 25
30 minutes each way so It's a big difference
and so there will be people changing where they
stay now now those who stay like at UD at the
University of Dayton dorms and the downtown hotels
They aren't any farther. It's just a different
direction. It's about the same time in the same
distance, and I've checked it out And, uh, but
if you're staying like in the Northwest part
of town, because you were closer to hair arena
that that's going to be a longer drive. Yeah.
And it looks like, uh, mine's about the same.
Uh, I usually end up on the South and, and, uh,
it looks like about the same. Yeah. Miami's burger
will be right about exactly the same. Yeah. So,
well, Joe, I hate to say it, but We've run out
of time We could go on and on. Oh, yes, we could
and I enjoy working with you Neil Well, I enjoy
having you come on and talk about this stuff.
And of course, we'll have you back soon, and
maybe we'll get more into some of the kits and
that kind of thing. But thanks for coming on
the show and sharing what you've learned from
your visit to Xenia, Ohio, and I look forward
to seeing you there, if not before. You bet.
I really look forward to it. All right. That's
Joe Eisenberg, KZeroNEB, and that's a wrap. for
this week's edition of HamTalk Live. I'd like
to thank Joe and all the callers and listeners
and tweeters out there in cyberspace and invite
you back next Thursday night at 9 p .m. Eastern
Time when George Nicholson in for GRN is gonna
be here and I'm really looking forward to this.
We've had all kinds of shows about the big de
-expeditions and some of those top ten de -expeditions
and this is the guy who does all the packing
for those. This is the guy who takes care of
all of the packing and logistics for Bob Alfen
and several of the big de -expeditions. So looking
forward to that next week and for a list of all
of our upcoming guests be sure to visit HamTalk
Live. So for now, this is Neil Rapp, WB9VPG,
saying 7 -3, 7 -5, and may the good DX be yours.
Seven three and good luck from ham talk live