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Ham Radio 00:02:01.780 --> 00:02:04.640 on the International Space Station with Frank 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:08.919 Bauer, KA -3 HDO. Recorded live on Thursday, 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:15.240 March 9th, 2017. I'm your host, Neil Rapp, WB9VPG. 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:18.680 Thanks for tuning in to this episode of HamTalk 00:02:18.680 --> 00:02:21.539 Live. Tonight we're joined by Frank Bauer, KA 00:02:21.539 --> 00:02:27.099 -3 HDO. the International Chair for Eris. 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Frank Bauer, KA -3 HDO has 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:29.699 been licensed since 1974 and in 1983 in preparation 00:05:29.699 --> 00:05:32.740 for the first ever ham radio operation from space 00:05:32.740 --> 00:05:35.600 he was responsible for setting up and operating 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:39.040 the worldwide retransmission of the space shuttle 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:41.939 air to ground communications from the Goddard 00:05:41.939 --> 00:05:46.519 amateur radio club station WA -3NAN. The initiative 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:50.180 provided a critical conduit of information to 00:05:50.180 --> 00:05:54.079 hams attempting to contact astronaut Hams before 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:57.740 the internet came along and Frank now serves 00:05:57.740 --> 00:06:00.480 as the amateur radio on the International Space 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:05.079 Station International Chairman. He has a bachelor's 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:08.699 and master's degree in aeronautics and astronautics 00:06:08.699 --> 00:06:12.500 from Purdue University and his career in aerospace 00:06:12.500 --> 00:06:16.459 spans four decades within NASA and in private 00:06:16.459 --> 00:06:22.379 industry. And he was just named the 2017 Dayton 00:06:22.379 --> 00:06:26.439 Hamvention amateur of the year. So congratulations 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:28.899 on that, Frank. Uh, we're going to try to talk 00:06:28.899 --> 00:06:31.519 about that on a show coming up in May, actually, 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:34.680 uh, with all the, uh, the award winners and, 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:38.019 and thanks to Skype. Uh, I didn't get to tell 00:06:38.019 --> 00:06:41.639 you about that before we went to the air, but 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:43.759 congratulations and thanks for coming on the 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:47.240 show tonight. Thank you very much, Neil. And, 00:06:47.899 --> 00:06:52.220 um, um, pleased to be part of HamTalk Live. Well, 00:06:52.420 --> 00:06:55.240 I'm glad we were finally able to work it out 00:06:55.240 --> 00:07:00.699 and we had an opening tonight and we kind of 00:07:00.699 --> 00:07:02.800 threw this together at the last second. So I'm 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:05.500 thankful for that and thankful for you giving 00:07:05.500 --> 00:07:10.240 up some time to share with us tonight about what's 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:12.459 going on up at the International Space Station. 00:07:13.850 --> 00:07:18.129 Over on Newsline, I've done some stories with 00:07:18.129 --> 00:07:22.250 you and with Rosalie K1STO about some of the 00:07:22.250 --> 00:07:24.910 updates that are coming along. And one of the 00:07:24.910 --> 00:07:30.810 last ones was about the new JVC Kenwood TM -D710 00:07:30.810 --> 00:07:33.709 that's been donated and is going to go up to 00:07:33.709 --> 00:07:36.410 the space station. And then all of a sudden we 00:07:36.410 --> 00:07:40.769 hear, oh, wait a second, the Ericsson's back. 00:07:41.589 --> 00:07:45.050 So. I've seen a lot of people kind of saying, 00:07:45.290 --> 00:07:48.430 wait a minute, I thought we were replacing the 00:07:48.430 --> 00:07:53.629 Ericsson with a mobile and replacing the old 00:07:53.629 --> 00:07:57.290 handheld. But then all of a sudden the SpaceX 00:07:57.290 --> 00:07:59.649 rocket shows up the other day with a replacement 00:07:59.649 --> 00:08:04.529 Ericsson. Can you fill everybody in just on what's 00:08:04.529 --> 00:08:08.149 happening with all of the equipment that's on 00:08:08.149 --> 00:08:10.689 board the International Space Station and being 00:08:10.689 --> 00:08:16.029 planned for the space station and how the process 00:08:16.029 --> 00:08:19.790 is proceeding to get that new mobile rig up there? 00:08:21.009 --> 00:08:24.329 Sure thing, Neil. Yeah, a lot of things are happening. 00:08:25.449 --> 00:08:27.949 You know space station is a very dynamic environment. 00:08:27.949 --> 00:08:32.929 There's a lot of research going on and got a 00:08:32.929 --> 00:08:37.909 Thank the ISS crew members for the time that 00:08:37.909 --> 00:08:42.549 they are giving to the Eris program because you 00:08:42.549 --> 00:08:45.830 know, frankly the research is getting more and 00:08:45.830 --> 00:08:49.789 more every year and They're getting busier and 00:08:49.789 --> 00:08:52.250 busier and yet they continue to support us. So 00:08:52.250 --> 00:08:55.830 that's great So on to your question relative 00:08:55.830 --> 00:08:59.289 to the JVC or relative to the Ericsson radio 00:08:59.289 --> 00:09:05.909 so when the Ericsson VHF handheld failed it was 00:09:05.909 --> 00:09:09.690 a lot of dialogue as to whether we should expend 00:09:09.690 --> 00:09:14.529 the time to Have it replaced and how much effort 00:09:14.529 --> 00:09:18.230 was going to take to to make that happen or you 00:09:18.230 --> 00:09:20.830 know whether that would divert time from our 00:09:20.830 --> 00:09:24.679 development of the of the new Interoperable what 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:26.799 we call the interoperable radio system, which 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:32.940 is the Kenwood TM the JVC Kenwood TM D710 coupled 00:09:32.940 --> 00:09:36.019 with the interoperable or multi -voltage power 00:09:36.019 --> 00:09:40.500 supply that we're developing So as it turns out, 00:09:40.700 --> 00:09:44.600 let me just say that You know, we have a we have 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:48.360 a D710 in the Russian side in the service module 00:09:50.030 --> 00:09:53.169 And we have the systems in the Columbus module. 00:09:54.090 --> 00:09:59.549 And the primary system that does packet is in 00:09:59.549 --> 00:10:03.330 the Columbus module. So our first order of business 00:10:03.330 --> 00:10:07.009 was to get something back on the air in the Columbus 00:10:07.009 --> 00:10:09.330 module. And we still had the 70 centimeter radio. 00:10:09.789 --> 00:10:14.110 So that got installed. In the meantime, we learned 00:10:14.110 --> 00:10:18.889 from NASA that it wasn't going to take very much 00:10:18.889 --> 00:10:22.330 effort to basically go through the recertification 00:10:22.330 --> 00:10:28.490 process and we ran some tests with the Ericsson 00:10:28.490 --> 00:10:33.529 VHF radio and got it, actually I was kind of 00:10:33.529 --> 00:10:37.950 astounded we got it on SpaceX 10 and got it up 00:10:37.950 --> 00:10:41.049 there as quickly as we did. The thing we wanted 00:10:41.049 --> 00:10:47.799 to do is in the interim utilize VHF in Columbus 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:53.100 module because the two things one is if we use 00:10:53.100 --> 00:10:56.340 the VHF system in the Russian segment then the 00:10:56.340 --> 00:10:58.639 crew members have to float all the way over to 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:01.039 the other side of space station which is you 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:05.139 know 100 yards basically to use that radio and 00:11:05.139 --> 00:11:07.100 then come all the way back again which impacts 00:11:07.100 --> 00:11:12.379 their ability to do research and so the other 00:11:12.379 --> 00:11:16.659 part was that the schools aren't very as comfortable 00:11:16.659 --> 00:11:19.759 and operating on 70 centimeters with the increased 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:22.340 Doppler. So we just thought that if we can get 00:11:22.340 --> 00:11:26.019 this up there in the interim, which we did, and 00:11:26.019 --> 00:11:29.519 get it on SpaceX 10, which we did, that it would 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:32.620 provide that interim operations so that the crew 00:11:32.620 --> 00:11:36.639 members would be served better and the schools 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:40.450 would be served better. Yeah, let me jump in 00:11:40.450 --> 00:11:42.909 there just for a second because I've gone through 00:11:42.909 --> 00:11:46.149 this once and so I understand but some of our 00:11:46.149 --> 00:11:50.750 listeners may not understand what that Doppler 00:11:50.750 --> 00:11:55.669 shift means when it comes time to make a contact. 00:11:56.330 --> 00:11:59.570 So what's happening is you're actually having 00:11:59.570 --> 00:12:04.309 to change the operating frequency continually 00:12:04.309 --> 00:12:07.250 while you're in the middle of the contact. That 00:12:07.250 --> 00:12:10.590 is correct and you get the amount of Doppler 00:12:10.590 --> 00:12:15.889 shift for For two meters is a lot less than it 00:12:15.889 --> 00:12:18.789 is for 70 centimeters, you know, it's basically 00:12:18.789 --> 00:12:24.289 three times more on 70 centimeters so and Between 00:12:24.289 --> 00:12:27.610 that and between the fact that there's a number 00:12:27.610 --> 00:12:30.940 of other factors, of course you know 70 centimeters 00:12:30.940 --> 00:12:34.980 is a weaker signal from space and so all of that 00:12:34.980 --> 00:12:38.240 kind of came together and and and the schools 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:41.100 not being prepared to do especially the ones 00:12:41.100 --> 00:12:43.279 that were coming up they weren't prepared to 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:46.279 do a 76 centimeter contact they'd been preparing 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:50.159 for a two meter contact so so we just kind of 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:52.639 felt that was the right thing to do you know 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:55.159 we had a lot of i will say this we had in the 00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:57.830 background a lot of debate on that topic But 00:12:57.830 --> 00:13:01.309 as it turned out, it was not a big deal to make 00:13:01.309 --> 00:13:05.769 it happen. I have to give Lou McFadden, W5DID 00:13:05.769 --> 00:13:12.049 and Kenneth Ransom and 5VHO a lot of credit for 00:13:12.049 --> 00:13:15.570 making that all happen behind the scenes. Okay, 00:13:15.610 --> 00:13:19.629 very good. So we've got the new Ericsson VHF 00:13:19.629 --> 00:13:23.269 rig up there. So the UHF can be put back away, 00:13:23.529 --> 00:13:29.610 back on VHF until The Kenwood gets there so update 00:13:29.610 --> 00:13:34.409 us on Where things stand with the Kenwood mobile? 00:13:35.110 --> 00:13:40.070 Okay, so as I said what we're Developing is a 00:13:40.070 --> 00:13:43.710 system that can be interoperable across all of 00:13:43.710 --> 00:13:46.629 space stations so we're building a multi -voltage 00:13:46.629 --> 00:13:51.529 power supply and We've been working with JVC 00:13:51.529 --> 00:13:56.120 Kenwood on a significant modification of the 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:04.039 Kenwood radio of the D710 to operate most efficiently 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:08.399 in space and on space station. So the idea is 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:11.879 what we're planning on doing and what we are 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:16.039 working on is to certify this system to operate 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:20.559 in all segments of space station. Right now we're 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:23.279 operating an Ericsson radio in the Columbus module 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:27.620 and a Kenwood radio in The Russian side in the 00:14:27.620 --> 00:14:31.139 Russian service module Training is different, 00:14:31.139 --> 00:14:33.559 you know operations are different and things 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:37.200 like that and and and if there's a failure it's 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:40.159 hard to move things around so the idea is we 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:44.139 want to have a a System that can be operated 00:14:44.139 --> 00:14:48.850 anywhere Where we are on that is we had a very 00:14:48.850 --> 00:14:53.370 big and very positive test at the NASA Johnson 00:14:53.370 --> 00:14:56.830 Space Center just a couple weeks ago with the 00:14:56.830 --> 00:15:04.230 prototype of the power supply. And that prototype 00:15:04.230 --> 00:15:07.649 passed all of the requirements on the Russian 00:15:07.649 --> 00:15:10.750 side, the US side, and the European side. So 00:15:10.750 --> 00:15:14.990 from that perspective, What we have now is a 00:15:14.990 --> 00:15:19.830 system that we feel confident that we can start 00:15:19.830 --> 00:15:23.929 building, actually buying the parts and actually 00:15:23.929 --> 00:15:27.009 building the power supply. Once we have this 00:15:27.009 --> 00:15:33.450 power supply done, and we have it certified, 00:15:33.470 --> 00:15:37.110 then we can work towards flying it on Space Station. 00:15:37.509 --> 00:15:39.990 And the reason for all the different voltages 00:15:39.990 --> 00:15:45.039 is because The Russian modules have a different 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:50.480 power standard than the American side. That is 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:55.440 correct. So the Russian side runs off of 28 volt 00:15:55.440 --> 00:16:00.899 DC, and the US side runs off of 120 volt DC. 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:06.899 And so we have different potential, different 00:16:06.899 --> 00:16:10.649 inputs, different connectors. depending on where 00:16:10.649 --> 00:16:13.049 you are in Space Station that you would use for 00:16:13.049 --> 00:16:17.389 both 28 volt and 120 volt DC. The other thing 00:16:17.389 --> 00:16:21.809 is Space Station can't handle mobile rig and 00:16:21.809 --> 00:16:23.970 that's been our biggest issue is that we need 00:16:23.970 --> 00:16:29.169 the 13 .8 volt DC outputs and so what we've got 00:16:29.169 --> 00:16:33.870 now are four output capabilities that can do 00:16:33.870 --> 00:16:40.830 a lot of different voltages, 28 volt 13 .8 and 00:16:40.830 --> 00:16:44.169 6 volt to support our SSTV system and we're gonna 00:16:44.169 --> 00:16:47.950 have four ports on this power supply that are 00:16:47.950 --> 00:16:52.090 USB 2 .1 amp ports that we can use for tablets 00:16:52.090 --> 00:16:54.429 and things like that in the future. So this system 00:16:54.429 --> 00:16:58.250 is being built for today's system as well as 00:16:58.250 --> 00:17:02.629 the future system and as you know in any situation 00:17:02.629 --> 00:17:06.990 having the ability to plug in systems is critically 00:17:06.990 --> 00:17:11.799 important. And as an example, our ham television 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:14.859 system has gone up and down, shut off and turned 00:17:14.859 --> 00:17:18.619 back on because another experiment is using the 00:17:18.619 --> 00:17:21.920 same plug, the same receptacle as we are and 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:24.140 we have to switch it out. So the idea of this 00:17:24.140 --> 00:17:27.759 power supply is to be able to focus all of the 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:30.960 ham radio equipment into this power supply and 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:36.079 not have this turn on, turn off situations that 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:41.250 we have right now. Excellent information and 00:17:41.250 --> 00:17:45.650 I think that gives people a perspective on the 00:17:45.650 --> 00:17:48.670 challenges of getting this done technically. 00:17:49.309 --> 00:17:53.250 So let's talk about some of the challenges financially 00:17:53.250 --> 00:17:58.809 of making this happen. So why is it the cost 00:17:58.809 --> 00:18:03.210 so high to get this radio certified even though 00:18:03.210 --> 00:18:06.470 you know the radio has been donated? It's the 00:18:06.470 --> 00:18:09.470 certification and getting this power supply build 00:18:09.470 --> 00:18:15.170 and everything So why is cost? So high on that 00:18:15.170 --> 00:18:21.430 and then Tell us how people can Contribute to 00:18:21.430 --> 00:18:25.869 that cause to to to get that cost met so that 00:18:25.869 --> 00:18:30.950 we can get this thing up in the sky Okay, sure. 00:18:31.130 --> 00:18:37.630 Yes your Absolutely correct. It is not cheap 00:18:37.630 --> 00:18:41.930 to fly equipment on a human spaceflight mission 00:18:41.930 --> 00:18:45.289 like Space Station. I get a lot of people asking 00:18:45.289 --> 00:18:49.049 me, we'll provide you the radio and just fly 00:18:49.049 --> 00:18:52.410 it. And it's like, no, no, no, we can't just 00:18:52.410 --> 00:18:55.309 take something up there. For starters, we need 00:18:55.309 --> 00:18:57.609 to make sure we have the right voltages, and 00:18:57.609 --> 00:18:59.490 that's why we're doing this multi -voltage power 00:18:59.490 --> 00:19:02.569 supply. But the other part is, There are a lot 00:19:02.569 --> 00:19:06.390 of, you know, space station is the equivalent 00:19:06.390 --> 00:19:11.190 of a house, you know, but it's on orbit and there's 00:19:11.190 --> 00:19:14.829 a lot of safety requirements that need to be 00:19:14.829 --> 00:19:17.410 met. I mean, literally thousands of requirements 00:19:17.410 --> 00:19:22.609 that need to be met and basically hazard reports 00:19:22.609 --> 00:19:25.470 that need to be generated and tests that need 00:19:25.470 --> 00:19:29.109 to be run to validate things like making sure 00:19:29.109 --> 00:19:32.740 that the temperature of anything in space environment, 00:19:32.900 --> 00:19:34.720 which is different than on the ground, because 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:38.960 in microgravity you don't have convection, that 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:44.460 the thermal doesn't actually cause a heating 00:19:44.460 --> 00:19:49.880 that would actually be above what would actually 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:52.619 hurt an astronaut. And then there are other things 00:19:52.619 --> 00:19:58.180 like sharp edges and electromagnetic compatibility 00:19:58.180 --> 00:20:03.200 and off -gassing, you know, basically if you 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:05.880 took, you know, some of your magic markers, if 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:07.660 you will, you know, you can smell those things. 00:20:08.299 --> 00:20:10.460 Some of those are off -limits on Space Station 00:20:10.460 --> 00:20:13.019 and some of the materials are off -limits on 00:20:13.019 --> 00:20:15.779 Space Station, both from a flammability perspective 00:20:15.779 --> 00:20:18.380 as well as from an off -gassing perspective. 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:20.940 So all of these things need to be factored in 00:20:20.940 --> 00:20:25.619 and while we have experts like Lou, myself, Mark 00:20:25.619 --> 00:20:27.680 Steiner that have done this kind of stuff in 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:30.880 the past, we need to have an expert in there 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:34.920 to help us with the hazard reporting. An expert 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:38.980 in safety for human spaceflight missions is not 00:20:38.980 --> 00:20:45.740 a cheap activity. Just to give you an idea of 00:20:45.740 --> 00:20:52.240 the costing of hardware, let me just say that 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.119 we just did a cost analysis, not a cost analysis, 00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:00.579 we actually did a cost inventory. for the multi 00:21:00.579 --> 00:21:03.619 -voltage power supply. Now that NASA has said 00:21:03.619 --> 00:21:07.799 that what the prototype we've developed would 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:11.559 satisfy the requirements from an EMC perspective, 00:21:12.019 --> 00:21:14.839 electromagnetic compatibility perspective, we've 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:17.519 put the whole parts list together, both for the 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:20.839 mechanical and the electrical pieces. And bottom 00:21:20.839 --> 00:21:24.359 line for the whole system, for one unit, just 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:30.779 for parts, is about $5 ,500. Now, what you need 00:21:30.779 --> 00:21:33.119 to understand is, think about what we're trying 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:36.380 to build here. What we end up building are 10 00:21:36.380 --> 00:21:41.119 units, not one, but 10. We need two flight units 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:44.920 to go into the modules. We need one in the Columbus 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:47.039 module and one in the Russian service module. 00:21:47.140 --> 00:21:50.500 We need two backup units, two flight backups 00:21:50.500 --> 00:21:54.319 in case one of them fails. We need training units. 00:21:54.519 --> 00:21:57.420 in Russia and the United States. We need testing 00:21:57.420 --> 00:22:00.259 units in the United States and Russia. And we 00:22:00.259 --> 00:22:04.700 need engineering evaluation units. If there's 00:22:04.700 --> 00:22:06.980 a failure or something like that, we need to 00:22:06.980 --> 00:22:10.960 have a very high fidelity unit for that. So bottom 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:14.440 line is what we've come up with on the order 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:18.859 of 10 items that we need to build. Then we have 00:22:18.859 --> 00:22:23.519 the certification and the testing. All of that 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:27.180 gets into the certifications on the order of 00:22:27.180 --> 00:22:32.000 between $80 ,000 and $120 ,000 just by itself. 00:22:32.819 --> 00:22:35.420 It all adds up. It sounds like a lot of money 00:22:35.420 --> 00:22:41.299 because it is. What I would say is that every 00:22:41.299 --> 00:22:45.920 little bit helps. Basically, we have right now 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:48.539 an incentive for anyone that donates and you 00:22:48.539 --> 00:22:52.250 can go to the AMSAT .org website. You know, www 00:22:52.250 --> 00:22:56.130 .amset .org. If you go on there on the right 00:22:56.130 --> 00:22:58.410 -hand side, there's a donate button for Eris. 00:22:58.950 --> 00:23:03.049 If you donate $100 or more, we will provide you 00:23:03.049 --> 00:23:06.910 an Eris Challenge coin, one of these little coins 00:23:06.910 --> 00:23:11.650 that is a memento for your support to the program. 00:23:12.210 --> 00:23:18.240 If you are in a small or large business, they'd 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:20.400 be interested in giving us a grant I would suggest 00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:24.140 they contact me directly and I will work with 00:23:24.140 --> 00:23:27.319 those individuals but I will say that every little 00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:33.039 bit helps and I want to remind everybody that 00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:37.099 you know when we produce and build and fly these 00:23:37.099 --> 00:23:40.200 systems what we're going to have is a much more 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:43.500 powerful radio system that's on the Columbus 00:23:43.500 --> 00:23:47.440 module than we have today 25 watt versus what's 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:50.180 up there now, which is a five watt radio. So 00:23:50.180 --> 00:23:53.259 it'll be much stronger. The packet system will 00:23:53.259 --> 00:23:56.740 be much better. We're gonna have voice repeater 00:23:56.740 --> 00:24:01.720 capabilities that will be, we can use key down 00:24:01.720 --> 00:24:06.140 because we've modified the radio to handle the 00:24:06.140 --> 00:24:09.940 thermal requirements. Key down continuously, 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:11.740 if you will, for the repeater. We're going to 00:24:11.740 --> 00:24:14.859 have a lot of new capabilities on there and much 00:24:14.859 --> 00:24:19.900 more stronger system that hams can use as well 00:24:19.900 --> 00:24:24.480 as the voice capability for the skulls. Does 00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:30.319 that help? That does. So go to amsat .org and 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:35.920 click on the link there for donate to ARIS and 00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:40.240 help out as much as you can and again if you 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:47.200 know someone who can facilitate a larger grant 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:52.000 you can contact Frank directly and how should 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:55.460 they get a hold of you? Best approach is use 00:24:55.460 --> 00:25:00.990 my call sign KA3 HDO And you can either use that 00:25:00.990 --> 00:25:05.490 AMSAT .org or you can use Verizon .net. Either 00:25:05.490 --> 00:25:08.430 one of those will work for me. All right. Very 00:25:08.430 --> 00:25:11.170 good. There you have it, folks. That's how you 00:25:11.170 --> 00:25:16.950 can help get things improved and up and running 00:25:16.950 --> 00:25:21.029 on the International Space Station. And the schools 00:25:21.029 --> 00:25:25.559 make those contacts. But people are making contacts 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:29.440 with the space station all the time with digital 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:35.420 modes and an occasional contact or two. So, you 00:25:35.420 --> 00:25:39.390 know, it benefits us all to do that. Appreciate 00:25:39.390 --> 00:25:42.829 all that information and we do need to stop and 00:25:42.829 --> 00:25:45.490 take a break here. So we're gonna do that right 00:25:45.490 --> 00:25:49.529 now But we'll come back and we're going to take 00:25:49.529 --> 00:25:54.950 your calls. So Give us a call 812 net ham one 00:25:54.950 --> 00:25:58.589 is the phone number or send us a tweet You can 00:25:58.589 --> 00:26:01.069 tweet us at ham talk live if you have a comment 00:26:01.069 --> 00:26:04.630 or a question for Frank and We'll be back right 00:26:04.630 --> 00:26:07.190 after this word from tower electronics right 00:26:07.190 --> 00:26:11.450 here on HamTalk Live. 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We're going to 00:28:50.180 --> 00:28:53.660 be making some announcements of some additional 00:28:53.660 --> 00:29:00.500 opportunities for folks that do some more bigger 00:29:00.500 --> 00:29:05.160 donations than $100 so realize that you know, 00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:07.619 not everybody can afford that but if for those 00:29:07.619 --> 00:29:11.859 that might and and really want to give to the 00:29:11.859 --> 00:29:17.289 to this cause and and help image radio in space 00:29:17.289 --> 00:29:21.029 station on space station help the schools and 00:29:21.029 --> 00:29:23.450 help the ham radio community in general that 00:29:23.450 --> 00:29:26.710 Will have some some special opportunities for 00:29:26.710 --> 00:29:28.650 for folks and we'll make those announcements 00:29:28.650 --> 00:29:33.930 As we get close to Dayton All right, very good. 00:29:34.009 --> 00:29:36.470 Well, we've got a couple of tweets here so that 00:29:36.470 --> 00:29:39.890 we'll start off with but If you want to give 00:29:39.890 --> 00:29:43.890 us a call, it's eight one two net ham one eight 00:29:43.890 --> 00:29:49.380 one two six three eight four two six one Our 00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:56.220 first tweet comes from KM0MMM, and he wants to 00:29:56.220 --> 00:30:00.140 know, did the ISS to school contact on March 00:30:00.140 --> 00:30:06.420 1st fail? He only heard the ISS, NA1SS, and didn't 00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:10.839 hear the school. So did that work out okay, Frank? 00:30:11.660 --> 00:30:14.460 Yeah, I can explain that. Yeah, we did have a 00:30:14.460 --> 00:30:20.269 failure. We had... Basically, with all of these 00:30:20.269 --> 00:30:23.509 changes that are happening, let me just say that 00:30:23.509 --> 00:30:28.869 we're operating in the Russian side right now 00:30:28.869 --> 00:30:33.170 with the Kenwood radio. With all these changes 00:30:33.170 --> 00:30:35.910 that are happening in the crews, one of the things 00:30:35.910 --> 00:30:40.990 we have done was we asked the crew to program 00:30:40.990 --> 00:30:45.349 the radio in the service module to make it easier 00:30:45.349 --> 00:30:49.599 for them to operate. We're a little bit of some 00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:52.319 glitches that went along with that. So it was 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:55.799 basically that contact failed and we're working 00:30:55.799 --> 00:31:01.119 towards giving them an opportunity again Okay, 00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:07.859 very good and Eric into KOJ is Gonna call but 00:31:07.859 --> 00:31:12.700 he lost his voice get his tweets here Eric wants 00:31:12.700 --> 00:31:16.619 to know has there been one astronaut or cosmonaut 00:31:17.019 --> 00:31:23.339 Who was more active with heiress than? Some of 00:31:23.339 --> 00:31:27.599 the others Well, that's that's a very good question 00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:30.900 and let me just say that just like everybody 00:31:30.900 --> 00:31:35.759 on earth Every each individual is different There 00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:39.380 are and and even within hams. We know this even 00:31:39.380 --> 00:31:43.160 within the ham community you have different interests 00:31:43.950 --> 00:31:47.309 Some people do a lot of operating, some don't. 00:31:47.650 --> 00:31:51.049 Some like to get into experimentation, some don't. 00:31:51.849 --> 00:31:54.490 The same is true with the astronaut corps, astronaut 00:31:54.490 --> 00:31:59.589 and cosmonaut corps, if you will. Some are extremely 00:31:59.589 --> 00:32:04.569 excited about talking to hams on the ground. 00:32:06.009 --> 00:32:08.750 Examples of that are Mike Fink, Doug Wheelock, 00:32:09.230 --> 00:32:13.170 as many of you know those names, Bill MacArthur. 00:32:15.080 --> 00:32:18.680 Going back in time, Owen Garriott, Ron Parise, 00:32:18.980 --> 00:32:25.019 those individuals are really dedicated ham operators 00:32:25.019 --> 00:32:27.559 that really want to get in and talk to people 00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:33.160 on the ground. Some of them aren't and are just 00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:36.720 interested in school contacts. And then others 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.779 don't even get their license. So it depends on 00:32:39.779 --> 00:32:44.759 the individual. And and I'll say even some Have 00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:49.940 gotten their license and will do things one one 00:32:49.940 --> 00:32:52.359 space station to our duty or there is called 00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:56.140 expedition and the next opportunity they might 00:32:56.140 --> 00:33:00.299 not or You know, I'll use Mike Fink as an example 00:33:00.299 --> 00:33:02.779 He got a good taste of it the first time and 00:33:02.779 --> 00:33:04.619 he got a better taste of it the second time in 00:33:04.619 --> 00:33:08.519 other words He did more I will also mention that 00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:10.619 you know, both Mike Fink and Doug Wheelock are 00:33:10.619 --> 00:33:13.740 gonna be flying again in the future and so we're 00:33:13.740 --> 00:33:16.380 looking forward to them flying again and I'm 00:33:16.380 --> 00:33:19.160 sure it will be I've got the opportunity when 00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:22.059 I was in Russia to talk to Doug Wheelock and 00:33:22.059 --> 00:33:26.940 he's pretty excited about about his next opportunity 00:33:26.940 --> 00:33:31.839 Great and Eric also wants to know about QSL cards. 00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:37.390 Are there QSL cards? available for QSOS? Absolutely. 00:33:37.589 --> 00:33:43.109 If you go to the ARIS website, ariss .org, we 00:33:43.109 --> 00:33:48.470 do have a link there on how to get your QSL card. 00:33:49.150 --> 00:33:53.009 And you can get one for digital communication, 00:33:53.670 --> 00:33:57.809 slow -scan television, a reception, or a two 00:33:57.809 --> 00:34:01.250 -way with the crew members. So you can do that. 00:34:01.930 --> 00:34:08.820 ARL is handling QSLs, some of the ARL folks volunteer 00:34:08.820 --> 00:34:11.340 to support that, but it's on the ARS website. 00:34:13.019 --> 00:34:15.280 All right, very good. Thanks for answering those 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:19.820 questions. And that's all that we have for right 00:34:19.820 --> 00:34:24.320 now. So, lines are open. Give us a call. 812 00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:30.760 -NET -HAM -1. 812 -638 -4261 if you have a question 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:34.960 or comment about the Ham operations on the International 00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:38.880 Space Station. Frank Bauer, KA -3 HDO, is with 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.380 us tonight, the International Chair, and he's 00:34:42.380 --> 00:34:45.480 been flying all over the globe down here, and 00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:48.360 he's getting ready to take off again, so we're 00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:51.360 glad that he was able to squeeze in some time 00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:56.119 with us this evening. So let us know, 812, net 00:34:56.119 --> 00:35:03.849 ham 1 is the number, and Eric says, thanks, and 00:35:03.849 --> 00:35:07.989 congratulations on the award. So again, we're 00:35:07.989 --> 00:35:10.630 going to talk about that a little bit more in 00:35:10.630 --> 00:35:14.449 May. But yeah, congratulations on getting the 00:35:14.449 --> 00:35:17.690 Dayton Hamvention Amateur of the Year. Thank 00:35:17.690 --> 00:35:22.309 you. I will say that I was shocked and humbled 00:35:22.309 --> 00:35:24.929 at the same time when Michael Coulter gave me 00:35:24.929 --> 00:35:29.840 the call and let me know. I still, I'll say I'm 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:33.980 still in shock and humbled. It still hasn't worn 00:35:33.980 --> 00:35:37.699 off and it won't, I think, till way after Dayton. 00:35:37.940 --> 00:35:42.300 It is such an honor. I look at some of the individuals, 00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:46.619 some of the individuals that have gotten it are 00:35:46.619 --> 00:35:48.659 extremely good friends that I've had over the 00:35:48.659 --> 00:35:51.980 years and from the perspective of, you know, 00:35:52.179 --> 00:35:56.840 Rosalie White was one of them. K6DUE, Roy Neal 00:35:56.840 --> 00:36:02.599 was one of them, the late Roy Neal. And last 00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:07.500 year was Joe Taylor, a Nobel Prize winner. So 00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:14.179 I just, to even be called and told that I'm receiving 00:36:14.179 --> 00:36:18.980 this award is still, I'm wondering if I'm gonna 00:36:18.980 --> 00:36:23.139 wake up and it will all be a big dream. Got to 00:36:23.139 --> 00:36:26.619 pinch yourself a couple times. Exactly, exactly. 00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:30.539 Well, that's great. You've put a lot of efforts 00:36:30.539 --> 00:36:33.659 into this and we appreciate all that you've done 00:36:33.659 --> 00:36:38.199 and very deserving of that award. So we're glad 00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:44.579 that that's happened. 812 Net Ham won. If you 00:36:44.579 --> 00:36:47.960 want to talk to the award winning. Frank Bauer 00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:50.800 K3 HDO about the International Space Station 00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:54.280 give us a call or you can tweet us. We're at 00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:58.420 ham talk live So we have a few minutes remaining 00:36:58.420 --> 00:37:04.920 in the show. So Give us a call or a tweet While 00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:07.860 we're waiting on those to come in I want to talk 00:37:07.860 --> 00:37:10.760 a little bit about those school contacts that 00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:14.099 those are made on a Fairly regular schedule. 00:37:14.099 --> 00:37:18.130 How often are those? Taking place and what kind 00:37:18.130 --> 00:37:20.929 of results have we seen from those contacts? 00:37:21.809 --> 00:37:25.409 Good question Neil, you know, we are doing about 00:37:25.409 --> 00:37:30.050 60 to 80 schools a year I think last year was 00:37:30.050 --> 00:37:32.789 last year was 88. So we did a little bit more 00:37:32.789 --> 00:37:40.309 than 80 last year and So that represents about 00:37:40.309 --> 00:37:45.090 one to two a week, you know usually Number of 00:37:45.090 --> 00:37:47.530 weeks will do two and some weeks will just do 00:37:47.530 --> 00:37:50.929 one Depending of course orbits are what you know 00:37:50.929 --> 00:37:54.250 the physics of orbits are what defines? When 00:37:54.250 --> 00:37:58.150 we do these contacts there every one of these 00:37:58.150 --> 00:38:03.590 contacts are outstanding and and it just I Will 00:38:03.590 --> 00:38:08.050 say that you know I feel very privileged to be 00:38:08.050 --> 00:38:13.559 leading such a wonderful dedicated team the heiress 00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:17.820 volunteers are amazing and I will say that They 00:38:17.820 --> 00:38:21.179 get energized by you know going to one of these 00:38:21.179 --> 00:38:25.659 contacts either mentoring or just You know witnessing 00:38:25.659 --> 00:38:30.840 one because when you do that you see the magic 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:35.760 of amateur radio coming together with human spaceflight 00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:39.159 with with astronauts and and the space programs 00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:44.760 and It is magic, and the students are just touched 00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:48.900 so deeply. It's something that they never will 00:38:48.900 --> 00:38:52.840 forget. And above and beyond the fact that they're 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:56.599 inspired that way, they go through so much in 00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:59.539 preparation for these contexts from an education 00:38:59.539 --> 00:39:02.880 perspective. They learn about orbits. They learn 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:07.969 about ham radio. They learn about... I was down 00:39:07.969 --> 00:39:09.889 in Houston a couple weeks ago for one of the 00:39:09.889 --> 00:39:15.130 contacts. Me being a NASA person, both Kenneth 00:39:15.130 --> 00:39:18.630 Ransom and I did a Q &A session. Students were 00:39:18.630 --> 00:39:21.030 asking some pretty phenomenal questions about 00:39:21.030 --> 00:39:26.289 life on Mars and what would happen if this event 00:39:26.289 --> 00:39:29.610 occurred and what would the crew member do if 00:39:29.610 --> 00:39:34.110 there was some issue on Mars or on Space Station. 00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:38.559 They learn a lot from this and they come away 00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:42.400 with it with a much better appreciation for what 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:46.260 it's like to work in a highly technical field 00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:50.679 in the space program and it gets a lot of them 00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:53.679 excited about working in science, technology, 00:39:54.579 --> 00:39:58.000 engineering, math, and radio careers, if you 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:02.909 will. 812 net ham one is the phone number we 00:40:02.909 --> 00:40:07.530 have time for one more question, so Give us a 00:40:07.530 --> 00:40:11.550 question on the phone at 812 net ham one or on 00:40:11.550 --> 00:40:15.750 Twitter at ham talk live or Skype us at ham talk 00:40:15.750 --> 00:40:21.929 live the School contacts that you know you've 00:40:21.929 --> 00:40:25.440 been talking about are great and We were able 00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:29.179 to do one spontaneously. We didn't get the scheduled 00:40:29.179 --> 00:40:32.239 ones, but fortunately we got a hold of a space 00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:39.059 tourist. But what about everybody else? How can 00:40:39.059 --> 00:40:45.179 people make a contact on their own? And that 00:40:45.179 --> 00:40:49.880 may need to be digital. So tell us how that would 00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:52.280 work if somebody just wants to try to contact 00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.300 the space station. Yeah, the easiest thing to 00:40:55.300 --> 00:40:58.940 do and you brought it up is the the the digital 00:40:58.940 --> 00:41:06.719 capabilities, you know, we have a PRS and One 00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:10.420 of the things you can do this is way I communicate 00:41:10.420 --> 00:41:14.159 it to to the students so they understand it is 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.159 You know a PRS basically you all know this you 00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:21.000 can send a little message up and I I refer to 00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:25.360 it as like a Twitter or a or an instant messenger 00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:28.699 type message that you know people can send up 00:41:28.699 --> 00:41:32.940 to the space station it gets digiped down and 00:41:32.940 --> 00:41:36.619 You can receive it back on your radio system 00:41:36.619 --> 00:41:41.900 as well as it's on you know on the net on the 00:41:41.900 --> 00:41:45.579 network the website where you can actually see 00:41:45.579 --> 00:41:48.219 your signal come back as well as everyone else 00:41:48.219 --> 00:41:53.219 and and frankly people have Conversations when 00:41:53.219 --> 00:41:55.760 space station comes overhead, you know little 00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:00.000 ones you can't do a whole, you know big Conversation 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.099 but you can send little messages here and there 00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:05.599 like you you would a Twitter message or an IM 00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:09.360 type of message So, you know, that's the I think 00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:12.300 the easiest and frankly if someone wants to learn 00:42:12.300 --> 00:42:15.340 You know the complexities of orbits and things 00:42:15.340 --> 00:42:17.670 like that. That's a great one You know, another 00:42:17.670 --> 00:42:20.929 thing people can do is, on the Ares website, 00:42:21.409 --> 00:42:25.090 as well as some others like ISS Fan Club, we 00:42:25.090 --> 00:42:27.050 publish when we're going to be doing a school 00:42:27.050 --> 00:42:29.550 contact ahead of time, and have all the questions 00:42:29.550 --> 00:42:35.269 online. So you can grab those, tune in on 145 00:42:35.269 --> 00:42:38.929 .80 with your radio, you know, handheld, you 00:42:38.929 --> 00:42:42.130 can hear part of it, but if you've got a little 00:42:42.130 --> 00:42:44.570 bit of a game antenna, makes a huge difference, 00:42:45.150 --> 00:42:49.869 and pick it up. We also are doing occasional 00:42:49.869 --> 00:42:52.150 slow -scan television activities. We're trying 00:42:52.150 --> 00:42:54.409 to work with our Russian colleague right now 00:42:54.409 --> 00:42:58.590 and doing one in the next month or two, and we'll 00:42:58.590 --> 00:43:00.710 provide that information. But there's a lot of 00:43:00.710 --> 00:43:02.630 different things you can do, and then when you 00:43:02.630 --> 00:43:05.510 have the crew members like Doug Wheelock, Mike 00:43:05.510 --> 00:43:09.010 Fink, or Bill MacArthur as examples, doing the 00:43:09.010 --> 00:43:13.739 two -way voice contacts are the ultimate. Everybody 00:43:13.739 --> 00:43:16.420 wants to do those and we'd love to do them all 00:43:16.420 --> 00:43:19.840 the time But it's only those special astronauts 00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:23.960 that want to do those kind of things Well, unfortunately, 00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:26.599 Frank, we are out of time. But thank you so much 00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:30.119 for coming on and sharing all that with us. And 00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:33.420 we look forward to seeing you at Dayton. And 00:43:33.420 --> 00:43:37.599 maybe we'll talk to you about the award show 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:40.760 we're going to do here. And hopefully, you'll 00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:43.500 be able to participate in that as well. So thanks 00:43:43.500 --> 00:43:45.960 a lot. All right. Thank you very much, Neil. 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.639 And I thank the whole HamTalk Live community. 00:43:51.540 --> 00:43:55.559 All right, that is a wrap for this week's ham 00:43:55.559 --> 00:44:00.320 talk live. Thanks to Frank Bauer, KA3 HDO, and 00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.800 everyone out there in cyberspace for listening 00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:07.039 and tweeting in. And I invite you back next Thursday 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:12.380 night at 9 p .m. when Rob Massadot, KD1CY, and 00:44:12.380 --> 00:44:16.719 Lloyd Colston, KC5FM will be here to talk about 00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:20.880 the voiceover IP. Hurricane Net. And for a list 00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:23.260 of all of our upcoming guests, be sure to visit 00:44:23.260 --> 00:44:27.639 HamTalkLive .com. So for now, this is Neil Rapp, 00:44:27.820 --> 00:44:34.179 WB9VPG, saying 7375, and may the good DX be yours. 00:44:34.889 --> 00:44:50.630 Thanks for watching!