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Bonner, Montana is a well -known contestor and
became the 15th editor of the National Contest
Journal. In January 2015, Pat's been contesting
since he was 11 years old and continued to be
active in radio sport through college at the
University of Michigan and graduate school and
his adult life. His day job is as an economist
directing a business research center at the University
of Montana since 2007. Pat's a life member of
the ARRL and has operated for many of the biggest
contest stations in the United States. He spends
most of his time on CW and right now he's spending
some time on vacation. In fact, I think I can
hear the ocean waves now. That's right, I think
I think they're They're sounding pretty good.
My spring break was last week. So I can't even
Can't even imagine that but anyway former Bloomington,
Indiana resident Pat is here. Welcome to ham
talk live Thanks, Neil. Happy to be here Yeah,
so we were talking earlier about Old times in
Bloomington and I kind of Got here after you
had left and everything but it's good to have
that Hometown connection here on the show. Well,
we want to talk a little bit about your antenna
array and in fact posted some pictures on our
Facebook and Twitter and Instagram feeds from
his picture on QRZ .com so you can also go to
QRZ .com and look up N9RV and he's got a picture
of that that array it's pretty impressive but
first we want to talk a little bit about the
National Contest Journal that you are the editor
of now and I should mention that just a couple
of weeks ago I was Interviewing a group of guys
that are they're coming on the show here soon
that have this this song And we've played the
song on the show before actually but they they
they played it for me again, and it's coming
up on on the show and They seem to have this
idea that All they have to do to get on the cover
of the National Contest Journal the NCJ is is
sing a song about it. So when Ward Silver in
Zero Way X was a guest, he was on here talking
about that. We're going to have the band on soon
talking about their upcoming concert. So tell
us all about the cover of the NCJ and how you
can be on the cover without writing a song about
it. Well, all you got to do is send me something
that's cover worthy. I mean, The NCJ is the publication
for contesters. It's an old -fashioned publication.
You know, you pay your money and it comes in
the mail. People say, why aren't we online? And
we're a magazine. You know, we're kind of an
old -fashioned print publication. So the folks
on the cover are by and large the folks that
are in the contesting sport, ideally folks that
send me contributions of things that we can put
in the publication. It's a long -lived publication.
It's been published by the AWRL for quite a long
time, but it wasn't always published by the AWRL.
It was actually just started by contesters themselves.
There was a time when I've talked to some older
editors, previous editors of the NCJ, and they
would put it all together on their computers
if they had one. And before that, it was different
technology. It was printed down in the corner
and stuffed envelopes or stuff. Now, I'm happy
to say that AWRL does a lot of that work for
us. But the bottom line on the NCJ is that if
you're in contesting with all humility, you should
subscribe to the NCJ because that's where your
cohorts, your comrades, your peers are sharing
their secrets and their stories. You'll be inspired,
you'll be entertained, and you might even learn
a thing or two. Very good. And so as editor,
you go through the articles and try to pick out
some things, water some things that you're looking
for to include in the journal. Well, it's always
been a mixture, and every editor is taking a
different tack. But by and large, we're looking
for a mixture of content about operating, about
technology, and about contesting as a sport in
terms of the strategy. And also, you know, a
few war stories here and there don't hurt at
all. So we try, we have a number of regular columns.
The columns take up things that are really specific
to contesting. You know, things as esoteric as
what kind of chair should you sit in? or what's
the secret to staying up 48 hours? To things
like, you know, managing your station, cutting
down on interstation interference. We've had
some just outstanding interviews with legends
in our sport who really have so much wisdom to
share with us. We bring that to the printed page.
It's a publication. There's a lot of places you
can go and read about contesting. But I think
the NCJ stands out as something that's just really,
I think, and this is not just my doing by any
means. It's a huge team of people putting this
together. I think the NCJ is what I would call
crafted. It's really, we try to select things
which we think will be valuable for readers,
and we put them together in a way that we hope
is interesting, readable, and very professional.
Excellent. While we're talking about information,
you know, as simple as what kind of chair to
sit in and that kind of thing, one way that you
kind of get a crash course on all of this is,
of course, Contest University. And once again,
Tim Duffy, K3LR is going to come on the show
here before Dayton and give us a little preview
of what's coming up at this year's Contest University.
But in addition to your work on the NCJ, you've
been able to speak there and developed a glossary
for Contest University. So tell us a little bit
about some of your presentations that you've
made there and the glossary. Well, mostly I've
done the glossary. I haven't done presentations.
I'm thousands of miles from Dayton, so it's a
little difficult for me to do that. But the glossary,
Neil, is really I don't know whose idea it was.
It might have been my idea. I really don't remember.
And it's another one of those group efforts.
And I slapped my name on it, which is always
fun. But it really reflects the fact that when
people approach anything that is specialized,
and ham radio contesting can be very specialized,
there's a little bit of a barrier there in terms
of understanding what people are talking about,
just getting through the terminology. So that's
the point of the glossary. So everything that
veterans in HF operating especially, but contesting
overall, everything that veterans would take
for granted. Everyone understands what a band
opening is. Everybody understands what a fluttery
signal is, or everybody understands what an off
time is in a contest. But in fact, people that
have never been really immersed in contesting,
like some of us have been, really these terms
don't really mean much. The idea was just to
put together a set of terminology. I think the
thing is up to like 28 pages now. It's grown
to include everything from the basic technical
terminology that's used in contests, contest
rules, propagation information. The latest expansion,
which will show up in the CTU this year, is all
the stuff associated with remote radio. So all
the terminology used in... and explaining, understanding,
and really perfecting the art of operating your
radio station via the internet so that you're
operating your ham radio but you may not be sitting
right next to it. So, for instance, maybe a term
that a lot of people wouldn't be familiar with
otherwise is stacking. So you have something
in there about stacking. Yeah, I mean that's
that's part and parcel. I mean everybody knows
that you know ham radio is in radio contesting
is a competition and Part of that competition
is putting together a signal. It's gonna beat
everybody else out or at least beat out most
of the people and You know gain antennas as part
of that stacking antennas, which typically means
vertical stacking all the horizontal stacking
is also possible is Been part of the contest
toolkit for going on three decades Perfected
by W2 PV, by the way, in the early eighties really
pioneered and really pushed that into the mainstream
in terms of, you know, kind of the must have,
uh, weapons in the, in the contesting arsenal.
And, uh, you know, stacking is something that,
uh, we know about except for if we're new, we
don't. So let's explain it. Very good. And speaking
of stacking of antennas. You've got quite the
the array out there of antennas and that picture
again, it's on our social media feeds and on
Pat's QRZ calm page in nine RV You can take a
look at that but tell us about that array and
your your station set up and how do you get all
those things? Up there at once and control them
all Well, my station is not the biggest in the
country by any means, but it's probably the biggest
in Montana. But even there, it's a close race.
So basically, there's two parts to it. Well,
there's probably three parts. One, which is increasingly
challenging, I suspect for many of the audience,
like everybody, is finding the real estate to
do it. And from my point of view, that certainly
has a lot of obstacles in terms of zoning and
covenants and so forth. But the goal is, you
know, you don't need to solve the world of covenants
and zoning. You just need to find one place you
can put up your antenna. So if you commit to
it, it can be done. I think I was pretty fortunate
to have about five and a half acres where I am
in western Montana. The second is getting the
equipment, getting the gear and so forth together.
There's a nice tradition in ham radio, which
I always liked and having started in ham radio
when I was pretty young and pretty much penniless.
It's called Stroudging. So most of my antennas,
all of my antennas except one are homebrew. All
of my towers are secondhand. I bought them used,
I took them down. I acquired stuff for a long,
long time. The station I have in Montana is is
actually almost the same as the station I had
back in Indiana. I spent 14 years in Muncie,
Indiana, a little bit north of you there from
Bloomington, Neil. And I had pretty much the
same stuff. And I brought it out to Montana,
and I ended up putting most of it all back up.
So it really is a... I like DX Contest, so it's
a contest designed for DX... Excuse me, it's
a station designed... to be competitive in DX
contests, so that involves stacked antennas,
mono banders on rotary towers. I have two rotary
towers. One has my antennas for 20 and 40, and
the other has my 15 and 10 meter antennas. I
have some other stuff as well, but that's what
I like. I tell you, quite honestly, if you want
to spend a couple hours on what makes me tick
in terms of ham radio, and you probably don't,
but I would say that... The challenge of putting
all that stuff up is what really floats my boat.
I mean, I really like the planning and the implementing
of contest station building. And quite honestly,
when you get it all done, there's a part of me
that's kind of bored. Yeah, operating the contest
is fun, and I do a lot of it. But quite honestly,
part of me wishes that I could buy the adjacent
10 acres and put up two or three more towers.
Not that I need them, but it's fun to do. plan
to plan it, plan to execute it, and then see
how everything works. So talking about this,
you know, and designing it and planning it and,
and getting all of that going. Let's say somebody
wants to start a contest station and wants to
start putting together some kind of an array
of like that. What's your advice for that? Well,
my advice is is really simple and that is Get
connected with somebody who's done it. So I can
tell you having lived in the Midwest for a long
time All the years I was in Bloomington, you
know, I never I never had a station I lived in
apartments most of the time I lived there but
I did happen to know a contestor in the southeast
side of Indianapolis to the call sign of W9RE
and W9RE has a very big station much bigger than
mine and I learned a lot from Mike. I learned
a lot from other people both before and after
Mike. But that would be the classic example.
You see, first off, you see what's involved.
And secondly, you learn some things about everything
from, you know, what you can and what you can't
economize on. I mean, hams are cheap, as we all
know. I'm cheap. You're probably cheap. I mean,
if you're a ham, by definition, you're cheap.
Yep. Yep. But there's certain things you don't
want to be cheap on. Clearly, you know, you don't
want to be cheap on guy wire You don't want to
be cheap on on the quality of your your mechanical
equipment and so forth. So That that would be
my advice. There's other approaches. I mean,
there's the checkbook approach and there's nothing
wrong with that it's whatever floats your boat
as you say, I mean, but My well I could say my
advice if you were asking my advice would be
to learn what it's about visit collaborate and
Get to know someone who's got a big station So
you can learn the lessons that they already know,
and then you'll start out that much further ahead.
And you'll also learn, for example, what kind
of maintenance is involved. I once heard someone
say, and I hear this quite a bit, someone said
that, well, working DX isn't a challenge if you
have mono band stacks. And my rejoinder to that
is you have no idea what the challenge of putting
up mono band stacks is. And it is a challenge,
not just putting them up and keeping them up
and all that sort of thing. So, you know, it's
not for everybody, but, you know, that's one
of my passions in NCJ, by the way, not to connect
too much back to what we were talking about earlier.
But if you're a station builder and if you're
even, dare I say, addicted to station building
and addicted to station hardware, you're the
kind of person that goes to Dayton and sort of
blows all their money on buying stuff for your
station. You'll get a lot of it out of NCJ. It's
not as good, like I say, as getting the old station
builders personally, but you're definitely talking
to your own kind when you're in either environment.
So walk us through, if you would, let's just
pick one. We'll say that you're a 40 and 20 meter
tower. Walk us through what you've got up there.
Sure. My station is in a, I'm surrounded by 100
foot tall ponderosa pines. I have a rotating
tower, it's made out of Rome 55. It's guide four
times. It's rotating system is by a company which
has long since defunct. It's a company called
Towercraft. I think they only made about seven
or eight rotating systems, but I was lucky enough
to be able to buy that from someone that was
moving away. I took it down, I got a good deal.
So it's rotated by a prop pitch rotator at the
bottom. It's got four guy rings, and so the whole
tower turns. And on that tower, I have four Yagis.
They're huge Yagis. Three of them are 20 meter
Yagis. They're OWA design. They're monoband Yagis.
They're on 48 foot booms. OWA design is a design
which K3LR was involved with. It gives you a
really good performance across the entire band.
So it's a six element Yagi. I have three of those.
So the top one is 175 feet. One's at 120 and
the low one's at 55. And then at 160 foot level,
I have a four element OWA 40 meter Yagi. I just
have one. I feel like a poker. I mean, K3LR has
a three high stack of these things. So I'm just
a little guy here, Neil, but that beast weighs
about three. 350 pounds and it is a it is it's
really a performer uh so that's uh that's the
2040 system the other towers uh also a rotating
tower 140 feet and it's got a bunch of 10 and
15 meter antennas out pretty impressive to me
i'll say that that's uh you may be uh not as
as uh big as k3 lr but uh compared to one or
two that I've been able to have at a home or
at school. That's pretty impressive. Well, we're
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Pat, while we're waiting on some calls and tweets
here, what are your plans for the future of the
NCJ? Do you have any long -term goals that you'd
like to accomplish there? Well, I'm really I'm
kind of into my final stretch on the NCJ probably
this is my third year and It's probably gonna
be my last year, but I'll tell you what I've
tried to do already and what I'd like to keep
doing The first thing I'd like to do is and I
haven't succeeded in this yet And that is to
make the NCJ a little bit more international
if you get on particularly on CW you can't help
but notice that The big nexus of ham radioactivity
on CW is now in Europe. Europeans are super active.
They got all their own contests. There's so many
innovations coming out of Europe. The equipment,
the amplifiers, the tricks, and just the skill
there. I've had some luck getting some contributors
there. I've tried to have some interviews and
some columns that really kind of Expose the North
American contest. There's more than what's going
on there Another thing I tried to do with NCJ
and I'm happy to say I have been able to do this
I mentioned it earlier and that's bringing to
the forefront Some of the people have really
been the legends in our sport The people who
if you were getting into contesting today You
might not have ever heard of them or maybe you
did come across them, but you don't really appreciate
that there's some folks who are near the end
of their contest careers who have done enormous
amount of innovation and mentoring to our sport.
We just concluded an interview, for example,
with Lou Gordon K4VX out of Hannibal, Missouri,
who sadly just became a silent key. And Lou is
a guy, just as one example, he's a guy who has
run a multi -op contest station. And the people
who have graduated, if you will, from his station
have gone on to be some of the best operators
in the world. And it's just remarkable. And it
was great to talk to him. So that was another
thing with NCJ. A third thing is really, I'm
a station builder, so that's my bias. So if you
want to talk about putting a station together,
I really pay attention. I want to learn every
trick I can. And so I wanted to make sure that
we brought more station builders tips. I mean,
some things that will really help you think about
and maybe even put into place some plans to make
your station better. Because that's the thing
that really attracts me about contesting. Contesting,
if you will, it's an evaluation. Every time you
run a contest, your hardware is evaluated. And
your hardware is really the product of your own
efforts. It's what you put up. So every one of
us wants to get better. There's always things
we can improve on. And that's one thing I really
wanted to bring to NCJ. And that's sort of a
work in progress. Very good. 812, netham1 is
the phone number, 812 -638 -4261, or Skype us
at Amtok Live, or you can tweet us like... Bill
Stearns in E4RD has tweeted and he wants to know
about your SO2R setup. I know Bill. Hello Bill,
how are you? Well my SO2R setup is not really
revolutionary. SO2R first off stands for single
operator two radio. I do it kind of the old -fashioned
way which is the way it's been done for the last
20 or so years. And I'm sort of a follower. There's
there's a new wrinkled so to our talk about that
in a second But my setup is basically I have
two radios. I have the audio for each radio in
each ear So I can listen to radio one on the
left here radio two on the right ear and I can
of course switch to get both ears in any one
radio But basically the philosophy and I don't
know how much your audience is really into this
but the philosophy of of true radio is very simple
And that is while your radio is transmitting,
your brain is not doing anything. You're listening
to yourself transmit. And so why not use that
time to do something productive? So in the case
of SO2R, the way I and many others implement
it, is while you're CQing on radio one, you are
tuning around on radio two to find to someone
else to call. And so during the dead time when
you have the opportunity, when you're not busy
on radio one and the station you have lined up
to call and radio two is is is turned it over
as waiting for your call you have the the the
ability and of course this involves computers
and software and so forth but the ability to
quickly switch over to radio two make the call
make the contact and seamlessly go back and seek
you in on radio one so it's basically some extra
stuff extra points extra multipliers also extra
fun from my point of view That's the way we've
done it. It involves a lot of things involving
how your station is set up so that you have the
ability with a kilowatt or 1 ,500 watts to be
able to say, transmit on 20 and listen on 40
without the 20 meter station wiping out your
40 meter rig, et cetera. Really quickly, the
new way of doing SO2R, which is being just, there
have been several breakthroughs, and that's where
you're doing alternating CQs. So you're CQing
on Radio 1 and Radio 2 almost at the same time.
You're not literally transmitting at the same
time, but you're running a pile up on two bands
at once. It's pretty nerve -racking. You've got
to get all the timing right, but if you do it
right, you don't quite get double your rate,
but doggone close, and the people who are doing
it are really doing very, very well. That's that's
a challenge not everybody can pull that one off
and I hear more and more about it almost every
day that people are giving it a shot and What
are what are your? best suggestions for trying
to do that. Do you find matched radios help or
anything like that that seems to help the chaos
of being on two at once? Well there's really
three things going on. The first is the hardware
and you mentioned it's part of that. Well you
don't have to have matched radios but you know
there's the hardware involved, there's the software
involved and then there's your brain. Right?
For many of us it's a limiting factor. So let
me, without going into too much detail, I mean
the hardware involves stubs, filters, lots of
things to help you be able to listen through
your own transmitted signal. I'll gloss over
that for the moment and I would just give some
very bottom -line practical advice. If you want
to do two radios at contests, my first piece
of advice is to make sure you know how to do
one radio first. It's not a tolerant mode, if
you're not really smooth with one radio, if you're
not, if your brain is not idle, if you're working
full time just getting one radio going, you're
not ready for two. Okay, that's my first piece
of advice. My second piece of advice is also
fairly simple, and that is, it's called practicing.
So a lot of times what involves with two radios
is you have to have the ability to move your
concentration from one radio to the other. So
it's, and that takes practice. So I know some
of the people that pioneered this would simply
sit in their radio station with two audio streams
coming into both ears all the time, which is
kind of chaotic if you think about it. I mean,
who wants to have two people talking at once
to you all the time? It seems like a lot of work
trying to understand what one of them's saying.
You want to turn the volume down on one of them
so you can use all your concentration on the
second. But the master two radio involves being
really comfortable with multiple things coming
at you and having the ability after practice
for most of us to selectively move your concentration
from left to the right so that you get the information
you need to get. So what about splitting the
headphones in one radio in the left and one in
the right? Yeah, that's that's uh, you know,
there's so many boxes out there top top ten devices
It's got a box and people can homebrew boxes
and they interface really well with software
and one mm is a super popular free software package
very powerful, but there are many others and
sometimes you you can do things with software
that really make a lot of sense and a lot of
people do them and a matter of fact a lot of
people that beat me do these things so maybe
i better learn how to do them in terms of using
that using the software it's a rather predictable
kind of thing uh you know i don't know if you're
if you're a contest or neil but you have you
know you have like let's say a sweepstakes exchange
it has a long exchange and there's quite a bit
of time you need to you need to listen to all
that stuff and you need to get it right because
if you don't get it right you lose the contact
points etc versus a contest like cq world wide
where the exchange is almost meaningless someone's
going to send you a 599 everybody in contest
sends you a 599 and then they send a zone number
and you already know their zone number because
by copying the call sign right so i guess what
i'm saying is that there are some contests where
you really need to bear down at different points
in time. Of course, you got to bear down to get
the call. In sweepstakes, you got to bear down
and get that exchange worldwide. Once you have
the call, you're fine. So there's a lot of little
tricks. Take some practice. But it really, once
you start doing it, it's hard to stop, I'll put
it that way. And like I say, this horse has left
the barn, gosh, 20 years ago. like you say that
the new one is this dual CQing thing which is
kind of cool and that's kind of my project this
summer to learn how to do that. Sounds pretty
good to me 812 net ham one is the phone number
if you have a question we have just a few minutes
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I've done some contesting. That's something that
I look forward to. I'm not the kind of person
that will sit down for 24 hours straight. and
go, but I've really enjoyed it. I've enjoyed
bringing it to the kids at school. We've done
School Club Roundup, CQ Worldwide, some of those
contests, and they really enjoy it, and they
get into the competitiveness of it, and so really
enjoy it. But I think, you know, I think... I
could go for SO2R, but I haven't really tried
that yet in a serious way anyway. So, could be
interesting. May have to give it a shot. Well,
that's what I like about contesting is that there's
always something new to try and it never stops,
both from technology. From my point of view,
there's a contest season. I like to take the
summers off. There's always contests in the summer.
But the season starts in the fall, as far as
I'm concerned. And you go into every contest
season, no matter how many years you've been
doing it, with something. You're going to try
something different. You have a new toy, a new
piece of hardware. Like I say, I think of contesting.
I mean, let's face it. We're making a phone call
right now, and we're using commercial technology.
and it sounds great, you sound great, I hope
I sound decent, but I didn't have anything to
do with that. But if I'm talking to you over
the air, the strength of my signal is, well sure,
it depends on the ionosphere, but it depends
a lot on what I did. I put together my station,
it's my electrons leaving my wire or my hunk
of aluminum, et cetera. So I think contesting
gives you a really nice... a way to benchmark
your station building efforts. I know a lot of
contesters that actually don't really like the
contest that much. They like to put together
their station. It's like going to war. They put
together their army. They invite other operators
to come over to their station and see how it
all works. How did you do? It's not about winning.
It's about improvement, as far as I'm concerned,
and it's about the reward you get. from your
efforts? Sounds good to me. And I think that's
a lot of the draw of of of contesting is it provides
a reason to learn how to do some of those things.
And I think especially, like I said, with my
students at school, you know, it's it's been
the reason for learning how to for them just
Learning how to fill out QSL cards learning what
five nine is, you know and and how to set up
the stations How to set up a power supply or
you know some of those basic things Some of them
many of them aren't even licensed And so that
exposes them to it and gives them a chance to
try it out and and to learn and to put things
together. And then when they do get on the air,
why they have that experience and they know what
they're doing. And that's something that the
test doesn't always cover. Yeah, and my my advice
to listeners would be to. Most of that exposure
comes from field day. I mean, that's a lot of
people's first experience to contesting. And
my challenge to listeners would be, OK, field
day is good, but operate in another one. Operate
in different contests. Operate one that's not
field day, one where it's your efforts or maybe
with friends or whatever. And that's when you'll
really get hooked. I think I stumbled across
my first contest by accident. I tuned the bands
and there it was. it was kind of a magical thing.
I never really figured out what was going on
and eventually I put it together. But it's in
the internet age, we're a little bit better connected.
You can really figure it out a lot more quickly.
But the magic is just the same spinning the dial,
working people with your own stuff. It doesn't
get any better than that. And speaking of field
day, and we are out of time, by the way, but
speaking of field day, we just got a commitment
from Sean KX9X to come on and do the field day
question and answer session. Thursday before
field day at once again this year. So if you
are out there listening and you do run into some
questions about field day, why we'll have that
question and answer session available a couple
of days before field day. So Pat, thanks for
coming on the show. We're out of time, but appreciate
you taking time, especially away from the vacation
there to join us tonight and look forward to
talking to you again. Likewise Neil really pleasure
to get to know you and best of luck with the
show All right, thanks a lot. That is a wrap
for this week's edition of HamTalk Live. Thanks
to Pat Barkey, or N9RV, and everyone out there
in cyberspace for listening, and Bill for tweeting
in, and we invite you all back next Thursday
night at 9 p .m. Eastern Time, when Don Wilbanks,
AE5DW, our friend, will be here to talk about
HamNation episode 300 coming up, and of course,
the 2017 Amateur Radio News Bill Pasternak Young
Ham of the Year Award nominations. For a list
of all of our upcoming guests, visit HamTalkLive
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saying 7375, and may the good DX be yours.