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on HamTalkLive .com. Jim Wilson, K5ND is retired
from the Boy Scouts of America headquarters where
he spent 21 years in publishing and communications.
He is now a freelance writer and continues to
volunteer as chairman of the National Radio Scouting
Committee, National Jamboree on the Air organizer,
and a member of World Jota and Jodi team. He
is the president of the K2BSA Amateur Radio Association.
You can check out their website at k2bsa .net
and over 172 ,000 scouts have earned the radio
merit badge over the years and formally exposed
to amateur radio. So Jim, welcome back to HamTalk
Live. Well, thank you very much, Neil. It's good
to be back here and I appreciate you hosting
us and the opportunity to talk about radio scouting.
Yeah, and we're going to talk about several things,
but the one that we kind of wanted to hit right
away because it's coming up here in just a couple
of weeks, is the National Scout Jamboree. Now
this isn't Jota, this isn't Jamboree on the air,
this is the real Jamboree, but you're gonna be
on the air at the Jamboree, so tell us all about
what's coming up at the National Boy Scout Jamboree.
Okay, well... I usually start at the top of the
funnel and work my way down, but the national
jamboree happens every four years. In 2013 was
the first jamboree at the summit, Bechtel Scout
Reserve, in West Virginia. And actually, it was
the first event there in West Virginia. It's
a new property for the Boy Scouts. It's 10 ,600
acres nestled in the mountains of West Virginia,
adjoining the new river, National River. Quite
frankly, there's everything you could possibly
want to do in high adventure at this facility,
from mountain biking to rock climbing to whitewater
rafting, shooting sports, archery, skateboarding,
you name it, there are world class facilities
there. And frankly, there's world class facilities
there for amateur radio as well. ICOM America
is a big sponsor of amateur radio and scouting.
They've installed three repeaters there. They're
active year round for all the scouting events
there. So they'll be on the air during during
Jamboree. Our operation is about just over 40
,000 staff members have signed up to work for
two weeks at the Jamboree putting amateur radio
on the air. Now we'll be joined by a total of
about 9 ,000 staff members running the Jamboree
for 30 to 35 ,000 scouts that will be participating.
The Jamboree runs from the 19th through the 28th.
I'll be getting there on the 15th. Most of our
staff members will be arriving on the 15th and
the 16th. We'll be setting up, so we'll be beyond
the air. probably on the 16th, 17th, 18th doing
some testing, 19th or yes, the 19th that the
scouts arrive. And so we'll be actively engaged
running demonstrations for the scouts. We'll
be operating a demonstration station. We'll be
running radio merit badge training and will have
amateur radio direction finding course as well.
Now the. For the operation itself, there are
will be the. The area that we're located in is
called the Summit Center and that's the area
of the Jamboree that's open to all scouts as
well as all guests and they've set it up kind
of nice so guests and visitors can come in and
participate in certain elements of the Jamboree.
but not the really high adventure stuff that
the Scouts have paid big money and made big trips
to get there. But the Summit Center is only open
from 8 a .m. to 5 p .m. And so those are the
hours of our station, although we also hope to
get on the air in the evening just to hand out
some QSOs. We're going to do that by remote control
from our staff camp, and we'll see how that goes.
We expect to have run 3 ,000 scouts through our
demonstration station. That's what we did in
2013. Maybe we'll beat that number in 2017. But
we need other people on the, we need other hams.
on the other side of that conversation, and Scouts.
An example of one of the stations that's going
to be on the air during the Jamboree is station
K5K operating from the Philmont Scout Ranch in
New Mexico. They're going to be active right
from the Tooth of Time traders there at Philmont,
getting on the air, working the Jamboree station,
and other people that happened to be on the air
at that time. That's our big call to amateur
radio operators is get on the air. Talk to scouts,
share with them some of your experiences in scouting
and amateur radio, but help us out. We think
we're going to be challenged because of the propagation,
but we'll see. 20 meters should be good, 40 meters
too probably, 17 meters mostly will be on phone.
I'll also mention that we have a nightly net
on EchoLink. We're going to be using the Jambo
conference node, J -A -M -B -O, and that net
is at 7 .30 p .m. Eastern Time during the Jamboree.
So we'll be taking calls into the net from those
that are at the Jamboree, as well as via Echolink
from around the world, actually. All right, so
again, the dates on that, July 19th through the
28th is the active time. We'll be setting up
a couple of days prior to that. Uh, but July
19th and 28th, we need people on the air, uh,
between eight and five Eastern time, uh, to talk
to scouts. And then, uh, it'll be on the air
some in the evenings as the remote control goes
and then, um, echo link on Jambo. So, um, 7 30
PM Eastern there. So just, uh, another rundown
of all of that. And we'll kind of recap that
again at the end in case you missed it. And then
you've got some scout camps on the air this summer
as well. Well we do and I would encourage those
of you that are putting scout camps on the air
to register your station at the program that
we have called Scout Camps on the Air. It's at
scota .us SCOTA .US. And so there's a lot of
scout camps that are on the air. We also authorize
the K2BSA portable stroke five or stroke six
also to use the call sign. There's a number of
those that are active. And then I'll mention
that this summer there are national jamborees
in Norway, Canada, Luxembourg and Germany. as
well as the World Scout Moot that is operating
in Iceland right after, I think maybe right after
the U .S. National Jamboree closes down. Okay,
very good and you're going to have frequencies
available on Facebook and Twitter and the website
so why don't you give that information also.
Go to K2BSA slash. Jamboree -Live. Jamboree -Live.
On there, we've listed all the scouting frequencies,
the Echolink conference nodes, the Echolink repeater
nodes, and we're also on D -Star. We have a D
-Star repeater there and we'll be connecting
that to Reflector 033A. So all on k2bsa .net
slash jamboree -live. And then as Neil said,
we're going to be putting up. in real time on
social media, Twitter, K2BSA scouting Twitter,
and the K2BSA Facebook page will be posting frequencies
as we speak, live at the time. So that's a good
way to keep up with it. There's also the spotting
networks that should be helpful there too. All
right, very good. So we need you guys and gals
to get on the air and and talk to these scouts
and the Staff that's trying to set things up.
So get on the air track them down and and give
them some contacts here in Just a couple of weeks
So that's the the big news here That's coming
up right away, but I know we've got a couple
of other things we want to talk about there's
been some changes to the radio merit badge and
So let's talk about the radio merit badge for
just a minute Yeah, I'll mention that a radio
merit badge over the years has grown quite a
bit in the number of scouts that earn it back
in the the Eight back in the 50s through the
80s. It was a thousand a year starting in the
90s. It started to climb coincidentally when
the Morris code requirement dropped away and
now it's in the six to seven thousand a year
range that are in In January of this year, we
announced new requirements. We added a new option
for amateur radio direction finding or fox hunting.
Now, there are four options. One of those options
is amateur radio. Another one is broadcast radio.
A third one is short wave listening, medium wave
listening. And then we've added this fourth one
of amateur radio direction finding, which is
a perfect match with scouting. It gets some outdoors,
finding hidden transmitters, combining orienteering
with amateur radio. But we've made quite a few
revisions to bring this up to date as well. We're
talking about cellular telephones. Those are
another radio that you have in your pocket. and
how that applies to help make better connections
with scouts. But we also dropped some circuit
requirements, schematic symbols, and components.
They're already covered in electricity and electronics
merit badges. So this would allow us to focus
on expanded radio modulation as just one example.
New things in Radio Merit Badge. We've also created
some incredible slide decks for our Radio Merit
Badge program at the Jamboree. They have a lot
of animations. They're very eye -catching. They
teach the Radio Merit Badge in less than four
hours. And so those are online as well, ready
for those who are putting on Radio Merit Badge
workshops back at their councils. So that's what's
happening with Radio Merit Badge, Neil. Okay
and there you heard it. You don't have to reinvent
the wheel. The PowerPoint slides are there for
you to download and they're very well done and
ready to go. So you don't have to reinvent the
wheel when you're teaching the radio merit badge
so that's some good stuff and then the thing
that i think most hams are familiar with uh at
least the most is uh jamboree on the air so let's
mention that uh that's a little ways off yet
but it'll be here before we know it Well, it's
getting closer all the time and we recommend
you start planning of course in January and You
work at this time to make sure that a scouting
event Maybe a camp out or a camperee is lined
up with Jambri on the air weekend Which is always
the third weekend in October this year. It's
the 20th the 21st and the 22nd of October This
is the 60th anniversary of the largest scouting
event in the world with over a million participants
across 150 different countries. So check in with
your local club, see what's happening, connect
with a scout unit, see if you can help out. And
I'll mention that in 2016, interest, I saw it
explode inside scouting for Jambri on the Air.
And there's a big reason for this. There's a
participation requirement for the Webelow's Arrow
of Light Award. Check that requirement off by
participating in Jambri on the Air or Jambri
on the Internet. So parents and unit leaders
were really out in force during 2016, looking
for a way to get involved in this. So things
are coming together very nicely. Okay, so we'll
look for that and of course I always remember
it because it's the weekend either before or
after the fall school club roundup so I've been
on the air all week and then then the scouts
get on so That's a great week there to get on
and encourage the youth to get involved in Ham
Radio. We're going to come back here in just
a moment and talk some more with Jim and we're
going to take your calls live. So if you have
a question, get that ready to go and we'll open
up the phone lines and the Skype lines here in
just a moment. Take your calls with Jim Wilson
K5 ND right after this. here on HamTalk Live.
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about the Boy Scouts and Ham Radio. Jim, while
we're waiting on those calls to roll in here,
let's talk a little bit about one of our favorite
topics on the show, which is the Dayton Hamvention.
You guys had a nice set up at Hamvention again,
and tell us a little bit about that. Yeah, it
was really a great experience. Just from the...
From the perspective of the Hamvention, let me
mention that in years past, every time the Hamvention
would be over, there would be much wringing of
hands as to whether Hera Arena would close or
not. I was generally myself personally praying
that it would close. But now the conversation
is, how are we going to improve it? add a new
building, add some more tents, better drainage,
all kinds of things. So the conversation is just
completely flipped. So I'm delighted to see this.
But I'll share, you know, we had a good booth
there. In years past, the ARRL has provided us
space in their exhibit for amateur radio and
scouting in the K -2 BSA operation. We really
appreciated that. As they moved into the new
facilities, they found themselves without the
space to host us, but they were, we all together
worked with the Dayton Amateur Radio Association.
We had a booth right next to the, the ARRL exhibit.
It went. very, very well. ICOM America stepped
up and sponsored our booth and helped us with
that. So we had a great display. Staff members
from the Jamboree and elsewhere volunteered to
staff the booth. So we had excellent coverage.
We had a lot of good traffic. It was it was it
was great. I really enjoyed how it all worked
out Yeah, we've had had Michael Coulter on the
show and talking about some of the the improvements
that are forthcoming and We'll see if that new
building ends up being a reality and it's told
us a lot of those things So we're looking for
for great things in Hamventions to come well
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If you have a question about the National Jamboree
or Jamboree on the Air, Radio Merit Badge teaching
that or any of these other things. And it looks
like here Jim, you've got some CW operators involved
in Boy Scouts as well. Back in the day and as
I always say back in the day when I had to walk
to school uphill both ways Through ten feet of
snow without any shoes in the middle of a sharknado
We went to school at the same place. Yes, we
did When when I did my radio bear badge we had
to learn code and so You know, you said that's
been dropped, but you still have some CW activity.
So tell us about the CW Ops Award. Well, I'll
actually mention too, way back in the day, to
get your first class badge in scouting required
you to learn Morris Code. And interestingly enough,
but so, For a first class badge, you need to
learn Morris code. Radio merit badge, I think
at one point it was 10 words a minute and it
might have dropped down to five words per minute
and then in the 90s they dropped it entirely.
I'll mention a funny story. The CW Ops, we'll
get to that here pretty quick, provided an award
to the Boy Scouts of America, and I attended
their dinner at Hamvention, and I sat next to
a guy there, a member of the CW Operators Club,
so he's a very high -speed CW operator. And he
said he was in scouting and he never earned his
first -class badge because he couldn't do the
Morris Code. So some things change, some things
change over time. But yeah, the Boy Scouts of
America was honored by the CW Operators Club
with their award for advancing the art of communicating
with Morris Code. And this is the second year
that they've made these awards. Some pretty distinguished
people have earned them in last year. The fellow
that wrote the art of the Zen of radio telegraphy
and some of the founders of CWOPS. So Boy Scouts
was very, very pleased to get that. And it was
chiefly in recognition of the Morris Code interpreter
strip. And for those in the audience who aren't
familiar with this, it was introduced about four
years ago, three or four years ago by the Boy
Scouts. They have interpreter strips that go,
they're sewn on the uniform above the right pocket.
Typically, they say Espanol or they'll be written
in Arabic or Francais. Scout can see that and
recognize that here's somebody that can translate
for them, that can talk to them in their native
language. So they introduced one in Morris code
and it spells out in dots and dashes the word
Morris. now the backstory on that is The radio
scouting committee the national radio scouting
committee was searching out a way to get recognition
on the uniform a patch because that's what works
in Boy Scouts for amateur radio and we we our
proposal to the awards and insignia committee
was why don't you just say ham radio on it and
and this will recognize the skill set that it
evolved and they after quite a few weeks, if
not months, of deliberation came back to us with
a memo that said, well, we looked at this and
we realized that ham radio really isn't a language.
And then we said, well, wait a minute. What about
Morris code? And we went back and looked at your
proposal and no, you didn't say anything about
Morris code. So no, we can't approve this. Well,
30 minutes later, we had a proposal in front
of them for the Morris code interpreter strip.
And about an hour later, they had it approved.
But and later I met. up in person. Actually,
he's one of the major Jamboree organizers. I
met up with Russell Smart in person, who was
on that committee, and he said, well, Jim, I
guess we telegraphed our intentions to you. So,
yeah. Several years later, the CW Operators Club
recognized Boy Scouts for keeping Morris Code
alive and well. And it is a pretty popular patch
for both leaders and the scouts. They can show
that you've got five words per minute, and you
can sew the patch on your uniform. Very cool.
Well, that's... Amazing and that keeps on going
so Good job. I'll get that proposal to them in
quick order that I didn't have a chance to to
say no, so I Will mention as well there was a
the we did end up with yet another patch It's
called the amateur radio operator rating strip
And it says amateur radio operator. And it goes
on. I've forgotten which sleeve of the uniform,
but it goes back to there were rating strips
for scouts in the 1940s. Earned several merit
badges and you could have the the radio man rating
strip. And there were several others. And so.
They liked our proposal and we got it approved
and so it's an official badge for Boy Scouts
of America. So we eventually got that one approved
as well. Very good. 812 -638 -4261 is the telephone
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K2BSA Amateur Radio Association. I know there's
some other upcoming radio scouting activations,
and over at my other volunteer job, over at Amateur
Radio Newsline, we have Mr. Bill Stearns in E4RD,
which I still love that call sign. And he gets
on there almost every week and kind of runs down.
what radio scouting events are coming up in the
next few weeks. So that's another way that you
can find out about some of these scouting events
on the air is listen over on amateur radio newsline.
But can you give us a few that are coming up
in addition to the big ones here that we've talked
about? Yeah, let me I've got to pull that we
actually on the K2 BSA website we have a calendar
of the We have an application process if somebody
wants to use the K2 BSA call site for a scouting
event and we're limited of course to the we authorize
K2BSA slash four in the four call sign area,
for example, so there can only be one at a time
on any particular day. But let's see. It is July
29th. We've got K2BSA slash eight at Rock Creek,
Ohio at the Beaumont summer camp. They're on
the air. right now. Tomorrow K2BSA stroke four.
It's the Order of the Arrow Friday Net from Camp
Barstow in Batesburg, South Carolina. And then
let's see K2BSA stroke zero at Camp Geiger in
St. Joseph, Missouri starts on Monday and is
operating through the week through Well, wait
through two weeks, two and a half weeks to the
14th of July. K2BSA stroke eight, trail to eagle
in Matamora, Michigan is on the air Monday, Tuesday
and Wednesday of next week, 26th, 27th, 28th.
And then we've got, let's see here. I should
have mentioned this the USA radio scouting net
is the second Thursday of every month and It's
at 9 p .m.. Central time. It's on the next one
is the 13th of July. It's on echo link the Jota
365 conference note Jota -365 conference node
And then, of course, the end of July, we've got
the K2BSA National Scout Jamboree in West Virginia.
All right. So k2bsa .net for those. And again,
amateur radio news line. You can listen for Bill
over there and check those out. So again, the
phone number 812. Six three eight four two six
one if you want to join in we have just a few
minutes left One other thing we can talk about
here. Well, we see if we have have any questions
out there is People that are teaching the radio
merit badge now I've gone through this and you
know our club here in town has done that several
times and and so It's always nice to have some
ideas. And we mentioned a while ago that those
slide decks are available on the website, so
you can just pull those down. But what are some
tips that you have for those people who are trying
to teach the Radio Merit badge? OK, well, I've
not taught it. My suggestion for Radio Merit
Badge or Jamboree on the Air or however you want
to engage scouts with amateur radio is to go
where the scouts are. So Radio Merit Badge, line
up with a merit badge university that might be
happening in your... Local Scout Council, they're
always eager to add more merit badges to those
gatherings The Scout shows is there are a number
another way to do that Mentioned before Jambri
on the air, you know what weekend that is. It's
the third weekend in October work with a scout
unit, that's the easiest way to work with it,
or the next level up is a district, or there's
the council. But line up a camp out or a camperee
during that weekend, and that way you've got
a built -in activity for the scouts. I talked,
field day was an opportunity to engage scouts,
to invite them out to your field day activation.
I've heard some were successful with that, but
I heard quite a few were not. And it's the age
-old problem of trying to get scouts to go to
your event. Scouts are busy. Man, when I check
in with my grandkids, They've got back -to -back
events going on all weekend long, so it's really
hard for them to check in anywhere. That's somewhat
of a random activity. If they're already at a
camperee, you're golden. So, while that's, I've
taken your question about Radio Maribach and
morphed it, but. But that's, I think, a timeless
message. Go where the Scouts are so that you
can be an activity where they're at. Summer camp,
many of these summer camps that I mentioned,
they're there because they're putting on radio
merit badge during the summer camp. So that's
where the Scouts are. They're working on all
kinds of merit badges, canoeing and swimming
and stopping by and checking out. amateur radio
as well. That's a great way to do it. One of
the things that I've found in teaching, which
I teach outside of the scouting community, I
do it at the high school, is a captive audience
always helps. That's a great tip. How do you
get kids to show up? Well, you offer it when
they're already there. And that's a big thing
because these kids are busy. They really do.
do a lot of stuff. In fact, sometimes too much.
And so if you can offer that at a time and location
where they're already there, why that makes it
a whole lot easier for them. So well, Jim, thanks
so much for coming on. I want to finish up here.
Just reminding everyone with some information
here. In fact, K3FHP Dave over on QRZ .com said,
just give me the dates and times and frequencies.
So let's go over where somebody like Dave could
find just dates and times and frequencies. So
remind everyone about the websites and what's
available there and the social media sites one
last time. You bet, it's k2bsa .net slash jamboree
-live. And we've listed all of the frequencies.
There are actually frequencies, HF frequencies,
that are designated scouting frequencies. And
so they're used around the world, promoted primarily
by the World Organization of the Scout Movement.
We also list the EchoLink nodes. for the demonstration
station, for the repeaters that are there, the
D -Star reflectors and the D -Star repeater.
So it's all there at k2bsa .net slash jamboree
live and then monitor social media, k2bsa on
Facebook and k2bsa underscore scouting on Twitter.
posting live when we are available and what frequencies
that we're on. I'll also mention k2bsa .net has
a Jambri on the Air email newsletter that goes
out from time to time more frequently as we get
closer to Jambri on the Air. So subscribe to
that and on every page in the upper right hand
corner there's a subscription form and fill in
your email address and your name and your call
sign and you'll get on the list. We have about
almost 1700 people on that list right now and
the issue just went out today. The other website
to look at for activities is JodaJody .info J
O T A J O T I dot info. It's the world scouting's
website for jamboree on the air, jamboree on
the internet. And don't neglect a jamboree on
the internet for some of your activities this
October. Propagation isn't our friend these days.
And there's a lot of things that you can do on
social media, Skype, YouTube, et cetera, engaging
scouts and keeping them active for a really fun
weekend. So, yeah, that's, oh, and Scout Camps
on the Air, scota .us, Scout Camps on the Air,
great way to find active events, what frequencies
they're on, et cetera, and to register your own
so other people will be aware. All right, Jim.
Thank you so much for all that great information
and hopefully we can get some people on the air
to talk to the scouts at that National Jamboree
coming up here in a couple of weeks as well as
the Joda and Jodi. So that is a wrap for this
week's edition of HamTalk Live. Thanks to Jim
Wilson, K5ND, and everybody out there in cyberspace
for listening and invite you back next Thursday
night at 9 p .m. Eastern Time. And if you want
to know who's coming up on the show, you can
go to HamTalkLive .com. There's a link there
that says... schedule and you click on that and
it will give you the latest schedule of upcoming
guests. Again, HamTalkLive .com and click on
the show schedule link. So for now, this is Neil
Rapp, WB9VPG saying 7375 and may the good DX
be yours. Thanks for watching!