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Tonight we're talking about Netslogger 00:01:52.579 --> 00:01:59.019 with the current author, John Marvin AC0ZG. Recorded 00:01:59.019 --> 00:02:03.840 live on Thursday, July 13th, 2017. I'm your host, 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:08.490 Neil Rapp, WB9VPG. Thanks for tuning in to yet 00:02:08.490 --> 00:02:12.069 another episode of HamTalk Live. Tonight it's 00:02:12.069 --> 00:02:16.250 John Marvin AC0ZG the author of NetLogger and 00:02:16.250 --> 00:02:18.710 we're going to talk about how it works and how 00:02:18.710 --> 00:02:23.250 to use it with your net so we'll take your calls 00:02:23.250 --> 00:02:27.710 as well as we always do live in just a few minutes 00:02:27.710 --> 00:02:33.409 and last week our guest was Joe Eisenberg K0NEB 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:37.280 He was talking about some new kits and some ways 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:41.539 to make kit building easier. 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John Marvin AC0ZG resides in Fort Collins 00:06:38.750 --> 00:06:42.930 Colorado and John enjoys the technical aspects 00:06:42.930 --> 00:06:46.870 of ham radio especially software defined radio 00:06:46.870 --> 00:06:50.209 and he spends a lot of his time tinkering with 00:06:50.209 --> 00:06:53.730 hardware and software a little more than than 00:06:53.730 --> 00:06:57.050 he is actually on the air and like me John's 00:06:57.050 --> 00:07:00.129 a night owl so if you want to find him on the 00:07:00.129 --> 00:07:03.449 air late at night is usually when he's on on 00:07:03.449 --> 00:07:08.970 40. and he is the author of the client of NetLogger, 00:07:09.209 --> 00:07:13.069 which is software designed to help nets keep 00:07:13.069 --> 00:07:16.870 track of who's checked in and various information 00:07:16.870 --> 00:07:19.410 that they collect. So good evening, John, and 00:07:19.410 --> 00:07:22.750 thanks for coming on HamTalk Live. Good evening 00:07:22.750 --> 00:07:25.949 to you too, and thanks for having me. Well, let's 00:07:25.949 --> 00:07:28.649 talk a little bit about NetLogger, and you were 00:07:28.649 --> 00:07:30.750 telling me a little bit of the history of this. 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.040 before the show. So why don't you fill everybody 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:38.800 in on how NetLogger got its start and what its 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:46.180 purpose is. So originally it was written by NWHWQ's 00:07:46.180 --> 00:07:48.180 Chris Gearhart who was the original author of 00:07:48.180 --> 00:07:50.899 the first version of NetLogger and that was I 00:07:50.899 --> 00:07:53.360 think even pre -2000 when the first versions 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:59.079 came out. He maintained it for a while and then 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:01.439 gave up support on it and they've been using 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:04.660 it for nets for a long time with no with no support 00:08:04.660 --> 00:08:07.819 and then when I first got my hand license in 00:08:07.819 --> 00:08:10.939 2012 I got involved in a net that was using it 00:08:10.939 --> 00:08:15.319 and you know really appreciated the help it gave 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:19.560 to running the net and decided though that it 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:21.759 would be nice to make some improvements and I 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:24.600 kind of looked into what that involved and realized 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:27.250 it's a big project but I pretty much wrote a 00:08:27.250 --> 00:08:31.329 new version from scratch. I did actually talk 00:08:31.329 --> 00:08:34.490 to Chris and he was happy to let me try it. A 00:08:34.490 --> 00:08:36.909 lot of other people had tried before me and hadn't 00:08:36.909 --> 00:08:39.690 completed it, but I kept going and got it out 00:08:39.690 --> 00:08:45.230 there and been proving it ever since. So basically 00:08:45.230 --> 00:08:48.409 what... Netlogger is is a kind of combination 00:08:48.409 --> 00:08:51.730 of three different programs in a sense the primary 00:08:51.730 --> 00:08:54.730 most important part is the you know the net tracking 00:08:54.730 --> 00:08:58.669 where the where an NCS It could be actually could 00:08:58.669 --> 00:09:00.850 be something with not the actual net control 00:09:00.850 --> 00:09:03.610 But I'll just use NCS in general because they 00:09:03.610 --> 00:09:05.350 could sometimes you just have someone else logging 00:09:05.350 --> 00:09:07.850 it and the NCS not having any involvement at 00:09:07.850 --> 00:09:10.789 all with the actual program, but But the NECS 00:09:10.789 --> 00:09:13.950 would then, as it gets check -ins, enter them 00:09:13.950 --> 00:09:17.450 into the check -ins window, and there's some 00:09:17.450 --> 00:09:19.889 aids to filling out the information. He has to 00:09:19.889 --> 00:09:23.090 enter the call sign, and potentially if he's 00:09:23.090 --> 00:09:25.970 got a QRZ account, it'll add a bunch of other 00:09:25.970 --> 00:09:30.309 stuff. But it shows who's checked in. And so 00:09:30.309 --> 00:09:33.889 users who then are monitoring that net can then 00:09:33.889 --> 00:09:37.029 see who's checked in, and they may not. Here 00:09:37.029 --> 00:09:39.490 they may not hear the NCS full that well, so 00:09:39.490 --> 00:09:42.950 it's useful to see you know the list of people 00:09:42.950 --> 00:09:45.850 And once once the net starts going and then people 00:09:45.850 --> 00:09:48.490 checked in it also shows you whose turn it currently 00:09:48.490 --> 00:09:51.330 is in a turn type of you know turn based kind 00:09:51.330 --> 00:09:56.350 of net and That is very useful for you know keeping 00:09:56.350 --> 00:09:59.500 track of where things are The second part of 00:09:59.500 --> 00:10:02.080 the program is an actual logging program, which 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:06.419 is similar to a lot of online logging programs. 00:10:07.179 --> 00:10:08.539 It's probably not as full featured as some of 00:10:08.539 --> 00:10:10.799 the others, but one of the advantages of it is 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:13.980 that it works together with this tracking so 00:10:13.980 --> 00:10:18.000 that you can keep track of people you've already 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:20.320 made contacts with in the case of an awards -based 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:23.820 net, which is the... primary user of NetLogger, 00:10:24.100 --> 00:10:27.279 some of the bigger words -based nets like the 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:33.600 OMIS and 3905 Century Club and some other, a 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:35.340 whole bunch of other nets that actually use the 00:10:35.340 --> 00:10:38.860 software. But you'd like to know... when you 00:10:38.860 --> 00:10:41.480 see that check -in list, it's nice to have a 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:45.059 notation that says, oh, I've already contacted 00:10:45.059 --> 00:10:47.419 these people or these states. And you can say, 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:50.340 oh, here's some states I haven't made contact 00:10:50.340 --> 00:10:52.139 with if it's a work called states type of net. 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:55.820 So that's useful to have that. And some people 00:10:55.820 --> 00:10:58.600 use it as a primary logger. Others export the 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:00.840 context to their regular logger. But that's kind 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:03.320 of the second aspect of it. And the third aspect 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:07.100 is kind of a chat. Program it's we call almost 00:11:07.100 --> 00:11:10.840 instant messaging. It's because it's It's based 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:14.039 on polling. So it only only updates once every 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:19.200 20 seconds but it's a useful sometimes for kind 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:23.159 of a sideband for sometimes the NCS will maybe 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:26.639 do checkouts or ask questions for people while 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:29.980 the net's running on the air. But also it's a 00:11:29.980 --> 00:11:33.200 social thing for a lot of nets. If you're in 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:35.240 some of these nets, you get 100 check -ins or 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:38.860 more, you can be waiting for half hour, an hour 00:11:38.860 --> 00:11:42.299 between turns. And it's just a kind of way of 00:11:42.299 --> 00:11:44.059 learning more about the people involved in the 00:11:44.059 --> 00:11:45.840 net. It kind of develops community within the 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:52.610 net. So it's a nice adjunct that's there to you 00:11:52.610 --> 00:11:54.590 know, do the do that function while you're waiting 00:11:54.590 --> 00:11:57.250 for your turn for the actual main purposes, of 00:11:57.250 --> 00:11:59.549 course, you have radio online, I mean, online, 00:11:59.909 --> 00:12:02.929 on the air, and that and it's just another thing 00:12:02.929 --> 00:12:07.970 that's on the side there. Let's see, I'm thinking 00:12:07.970 --> 00:12:12.330 you could use that for, for instance, our local 00:12:12.330 --> 00:12:16.149 net. And just to give an example, this week, 00:12:16.909 --> 00:12:21.500 the net control had some issues getting into 00:12:21.500 --> 00:12:24.320 the repeater and I was the backup net control. 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:29.139 So I could get on there and type him a message 00:12:29.139 --> 00:12:31.980 and say, Hey, you're, you know, you need to, 00:12:31.980 --> 00:12:34.120 you know, get in a different location because 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:37.419 you're not getting in. Or maybe I pick up a call 00:12:37.419 --> 00:12:41.980 sign that the net control doesn't get right, 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:45.159 maybe they got the wrong phonetics and then they 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:47.679 figured it out incorrectly. And so I can jump 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:50.700 in there and, and just type on his screen, hey, 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:54.559 you know, this was a, you know, Sierra, not Foxtrot 00:12:54.559 --> 00:13:01.379 or whatever. Right. Just another aspect I wanted 00:13:01.379 --> 00:13:03.080 to, you know, I want to give a shout out also 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:07.919 to the John Dean, who's K0JDD, because, you know, 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:10.700 I wrote the client software, but all the clients 00:13:10.700 --> 00:13:13.580 all talk to a server, which is running, you know, 00:13:14.059 --> 00:13:17.159 the server software that's running on, you know, 00:13:17.259 --> 00:13:19.059 a variety of network of servers. And that was 00:13:19.059 --> 00:13:21.460 all written by John Dean. I mean, the original 00:13:21.460 --> 00:13:23.399 version was also written by Chris Gearhart, but 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:27.529 that was all written in... Perl, which probably 00:13:27.529 --> 00:13:29.029 wouldn't have handled some of the size of the 00:13:29.029 --> 00:13:32.590 nets that we have now. So John Dean wrote a much 00:13:32.590 --> 00:13:37.309 more robust version of the server that runs on 00:13:37.309 --> 00:13:43.009 PHP and uses a database backend to keep everything 00:13:43.009 --> 00:13:51.889 going. Very good. So what kinds of nets do you 00:13:51.889 --> 00:13:55.830 see using this? There's a lot of different types 00:13:55.830 --> 00:13:59.590 of nets. As I mentioned, the biggest use is awards 00:13:59.590 --> 00:14:02.950 nets, and particularly worked all states awards 00:14:02.950 --> 00:14:07.750 nets. There's OMIS that uses it, one of the bigger 00:14:07.750 --> 00:14:13.129 users. 3905 Century Club now is probably just 00:14:13.129 --> 00:14:17.629 as much of a big time user of NetLogger. There 00:14:17.629 --> 00:14:20.179 are others that are... uh... kind of halfway 00:14:20.179 --> 00:14:22.840 between it is the while system which uh... does 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:25.960 do awards but they're with their primary uh... 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:28.799 goals has been just they run and that that start 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:30.840 early in the morning and they have to our sessions 00:14:30.840 --> 00:14:33.580 and goes all day long on twenty meters on the 00:14:33.580 --> 00:14:37.320 same frequency And because part of their function 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:40.659 is to be there on a known frequency to aid people. 00:14:41.899 --> 00:14:45.980 So any net would hopefully aid somebody who has 00:14:45.980 --> 00:14:48.580 some kind of emergency situation. But that's 00:14:48.580 --> 00:14:50.519 one of their functions. They're a lot more informal, 00:14:50.620 --> 00:14:55.039 a lot more social. But they also do do awards. 00:14:56.299 --> 00:14:59.769 And again, there are other kind of more almost 00:14:59.769 --> 00:15:02.029 rag -two type nets where people get together 00:15:02.029 --> 00:15:04.450 as kind of a community. I think I'm thinking 00:15:04.450 --> 00:15:06.710 like a group called the Moonlighters, for instance. 00:15:07.870 --> 00:15:12.110 And there are a lot of 39 .5 and OMIS run multiple 00:15:12.110 --> 00:15:17.950 nets per day and some more on the weekend. They're 00:15:17.950 --> 00:15:20.269 all single side, OMIS runs all single sideband 00:15:20.269 --> 00:15:26.610 nets. 39 .5 also runs a CW RTTY and PSK nets 00:15:26.610 --> 00:15:32.519 also. But some other clubs run only one net a 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:36.179 day or maybe one net a week. And there also are 00:15:36.179 --> 00:15:40.539 some more localized nets that don't run on the, 00:15:40.539 --> 00:15:44.399 you know, run on VHF that are like Aries type 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:47.840 nets. You'll see some of those show up. So yeah, 00:15:47.899 --> 00:15:50.139 there's a lot of different, you know, it'll, 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:51.860 you can help with just about any type of net, 00:15:51.879 --> 00:15:54.740 but those, the big users I've said are the awards 00:15:54.740 --> 00:15:58.970 based nets. Okay, so your users are primarily 00:15:58.970 --> 00:16:03.830 either a net control or one of a group of net 00:16:03.830 --> 00:16:08.809 controls or the People just checking into the 00:16:08.809 --> 00:16:13.509 net. So let's take The net control thing first. 00:16:13.950 --> 00:16:16.629 How would a net control? Let's say you're a net 00:16:16.629 --> 00:16:20.789 control of your local net and You want to set 00:16:20.789 --> 00:16:25.649 up net logger? for your Net a club net Aries 00:16:25.649 --> 00:16:29.690 net what it Skywarn whatever? How would a net 00:16:29.690 --> 00:16:34.730 control go about starting? to use net logger 00:16:34.730 --> 00:16:39.269 for that and then How can some of those like 00:16:39.269 --> 00:16:42.990 I said backup net controls or alternates or? 00:16:43.370 --> 00:16:47.509 Relays maybe or whatever help out with that Sure, 00:16:48.049 --> 00:16:49.590 so the first thing of course you can install 00:16:49.590 --> 00:16:53.669 software that you could go to a www .netlogger 00:16:53.669 --> 00:16:57.509 .org. And then there's a big fat download button 00:16:57.509 --> 00:17:00.570 you can press. And that'll bring up a window 00:17:00.570 --> 00:17:03.809 that lets you choose what version to download. 00:17:03.909 --> 00:17:06.089 And it tries to be a little smart about it. The 00:17:06.089 --> 00:17:08.069 default in the window will be probably based 00:17:08.069 --> 00:17:13.589 on the computer that you're visiting with. But 00:17:13.589 --> 00:17:17.670 it's... There's a Windows version, there's a 00:17:17.670 --> 00:17:23.269 Mac version, and there's a Linux version. For 00:17:23.269 --> 00:17:25.470 Windows, it's only supported on Windows Vista 00:17:25.470 --> 00:17:27.849 or later, which is pretty old actually. But if 00:17:27.849 --> 00:17:31.450 you're still running Windows XP, there's still 00:17:31.450 --> 00:17:34.210 the very original version written by Chris Gearhart, 00:17:34.349 --> 00:17:36.349 still available, and that's the only version 00:17:36.349 --> 00:17:39.329 that it's going to work on Windows XP. Anyway, 00:17:39.430 --> 00:17:43.890 you download it, install it. And then once you 00:17:43.890 --> 00:17:48.529 start it up, you'll see kind of five big blue 00:17:48.529 --> 00:17:51.369 buttons near the top. And if you're the NCS, 00:17:51.410 --> 00:17:53.390 you want to create a net, there's one of the 00:17:53.390 --> 00:17:56.509 buttons that says create net. And when you click 00:17:56.509 --> 00:17:59.210 on that, it brings up a dialogue and you can 00:17:59.210 --> 00:18:02.910 give the net a name. And then there's a drop 00:18:02.910 --> 00:18:05.470 down box for choosing which server. In general, 00:18:05.509 --> 00:18:08.910 just go with the default net loggers. There are 00:18:08.910 --> 00:18:12.319 actually three. public servers, but the NetLogger 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:15.519 2 and NetLogger 3 are reserved for, as I said, 00:18:16.220 --> 00:18:18.740 the two bigger nets. NetLogger 2 is reserved 00:18:18.740 --> 00:18:21.880 for OMIS nets and NetLogger 3 is reserved for 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:27.640 3905 Century Club nets. So stick with the primary 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:29.970 NetLogger server. The next thing that might be 00:18:29.970 --> 00:18:33.089 a little confusing is the net password and verify 00:18:33.089 --> 00:18:36.089 password. You might think you need some kind 00:18:36.089 --> 00:18:37.910 of permission to do this, and no, anyone can 00:18:37.910 --> 00:18:40.549 do this. The purpose of the password is just 00:18:40.549 --> 00:18:43.269 to lock down the, you're the one who's creating 00:18:43.269 --> 00:18:45.450 the password. When you're creating the net, you're 00:18:45.450 --> 00:18:48.109 assigning this password to that net, and that 00:18:48.109 --> 00:18:51.130 potentially lets you give that password to other 00:18:51.130 --> 00:18:53.430 people who you want to give the ability to back 00:18:53.430 --> 00:18:56.910 you up or co -log with you. But that's something 00:18:56.910 --> 00:18:58.829 you assign. It's not something you need to know 00:18:58.829 --> 00:19:02.289 to be able to use the software. And then you'd 00:19:02.289 --> 00:19:06.990 enter the net control call sign and other informational 00:19:06.990 --> 00:19:09.970 things that are useful to people who are monitoring 00:19:09.970 --> 00:19:13.329 the frequency you're going to be on, the mode 00:19:13.329 --> 00:19:16.529 you're using, and the band. And once you do that, 00:19:16.650 --> 00:19:19.990 you click OK, and that will create a net. That'll 00:19:19.990 --> 00:19:25.930 put you in the logging mode of the net. So then 00:19:25.930 --> 00:19:30.490 since you're in logging mode, you can enter call 00:19:30.490 --> 00:19:35.029 signs in the table in the check -ins table section 00:19:35.029 --> 00:19:39.690 of the application near the top. And basically 00:19:39.690 --> 00:19:42.289 you can just enter call signs and just hit return 00:19:42.289 --> 00:19:47.910 and just enter the people as they log in. I can 00:19:47.910 --> 00:19:49.990 go into a lot more depth about that because there 00:19:49.990 --> 00:19:54.059 are aids, like if you have a QRZ, XML subscription 00:19:54.059 --> 00:19:56.380 you can add you can configure that and then it'll 00:19:56.380 --> 00:19:58.839 fill in You know the names and all that stuff 00:19:58.839 --> 00:20:01.259 Or you can manually enter that instead of just 00:20:01.259 --> 00:20:03.640 entering the call sign you can enter in You know 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:05.400 names or whatever information is important for 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:09.720 your particular net And then once the nets going 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:12.819 when you just click on a particular line it makes 00:20:12.819 --> 00:20:15.440 that it highlights that line in pink and that's 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:17.099 kind of that's that's tells other people who 00:20:17.099 --> 00:20:19.339 are monitoring the net who the current person 00:20:19.339 --> 00:20:22.819 is talking or if it's a turn -based net, whose 00:20:22.819 --> 00:20:25.299 turn it currently is to make a call, or some 00:20:25.299 --> 00:20:27.559 of that, just a way of keeping track of who the 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:32.119 current person is. And that's basically it for 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:35.099 the person who's controlling the net. You can, 00:20:35.339 --> 00:20:38.740 as I said, if you want to have somebody else 00:20:38.740 --> 00:20:44.059 do it, then when the... When they start monitoring 00:20:44.059 --> 00:20:47.740 the net, if somebody comes in and instead of 00:20:47.740 --> 00:20:49.779 doing a crate net, they do a select net, which 00:20:49.779 --> 00:20:51.779 shows the list of all the current active nets. 00:20:53.019 --> 00:20:54.500 You'd first start monitoring and then there'll 00:20:54.500 --> 00:20:57.490 be a button. that says start logging and you 00:20:57.490 --> 00:21:00.589 can click on that and then it'll query you for 00:21:00.589 --> 00:21:03.029 the password, that particular net's password. 00:21:03.410 --> 00:21:06.329 If that's been given to you by the NCS, either 00:21:06.329 --> 00:21:09.369 he uses a standard password he shares with the 00:21:09.369 --> 00:21:11.329 people he trusts or has some other way of giving 00:21:11.329 --> 00:21:13.170 that information to you in a somewhat secure 00:21:13.170 --> 00:21:16.250 manner, or there's actually a facility for giving 00:21:16.250 --> 00:21:19.829 the code logging ability to someone without having 00:21:19.829 --> 00:21:22.430 them have to know the password. That's probably 00:21:22.430 --> 00:21:24.130 a little beyond what we're gonna cover on this. 00:21:25.189 --> 00:21:27.289 Podcast right now, but there's documentation 00:21:27.289 --> 00:21:31.750 for that but allows other people to log for you 00:21:31.750 --> 00:21:34.890 and And that can get confusing if you try to 00:21:34.890 --> 00:21:36.650 do assignment at the same time You need to be 00:21:36.650 --> 00:21:38.569 kind of experienced if you want to ever do that 00:21:38.569 --> 00:21:41.029 in most cases It's kind of like the NCS is on 00:21:41.029 --> 00:21:42.529 and then he says hey, I've got an emergency I've 00:21:42.529 --> 00:21:45.049 got to go do this or you know, I gotta get off 00:21:45.049 --> 00:21:47.990 because of you know Lightning or something and 00:21:47.990 --> 00:21:49.569 he'll tell the person, you know Can you take 00:21:49.569 --> 00:21:52.329 over and start you know start logging you temporarily 00:21:52.329 --> 00:21:54.809 or permanently? And that's pretty much it for 00:21:54.809 --> 00:21:57.490 the people who are running the net. That's kind 00:21:57.490 --> 00:22:01.849 of a quick overview. All right. Very good. So 00:22:01.849 --> 00:22:05.170 you could hand that off to someone. And for some 00:22:05.170 --> 00:22:09.970 of these nets that may go on for days sometimes 00:22:09.970 --> 00:22:13.490 in disaster relief, that kind of thing, you could 00:22:13.490 --> 00:22:17.069 just hand it off to the next net control instead 00:22:17.069 --> 00:22:20.450 of having to recreate the list or copy it down 00:22:20.450 --> 00:22:24.259 all over again. Just log in and pick up where 00:22:24.259 --> 00:22:29.059 they left off. Right. All right. Very good. So 00:22:29.059 --> 00:22:32.220 that's how to set up a net. Now, how about the 00:22:32.220 --> 00:22:34.819 people who are joining the net and want to get 00:22:34.819 --> 00:22:37.700 in on some of this social stuff? They want to 00:22:37.700 --> 00:22:42.279 see what states are on there, who's on today, 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:47.839 that kind of thing. How do those individual net 00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:53.710 check -ins access NetLogger to see all of that. 00:22:54.509 --> 00:22:57.750 Right. So again, you install the software and 00:22:57.750 --> 00:23:02.009 then once you start running the program, the 00:23:02.009 --> 00:23:04.750 left most big blue button says select net. And 00:23:04.750 --> 00:23:06.309 when you click on that, they'll give you a list 00:23:06.309 --> 00:23:09.009 of all the current active nets. And in the evening, 00:23:09.210 --> 00:23:11.049 in fact, in this particular time, that can be 00:23:11.049 --> 00:23:14.589 a lot. Currently right now on NetLog, there are 00:23:14.589 --> 00:23:18.730 10 nets that are in progress. And it shows you 00:23:18.910 --> 00:23:20.769 Basically, the name of the net, what frequency 00:23:20.769 --> 00:23:25.970 they're on, what mode they're using, bands, and 00:23:25.970 --> 00:23:29.509 so you can tell from the name and from what kind 00:23:29.509 --> 00:23:31.829 of net, it might give you a clue to what kind 00:23:31.829 --> 00:23:34.630 of net it is. Usually, you have to club, the 00:23:34.630 --> 00:23:36.230 first part of the net name will tell you what 00:23:36.230 --> 00:23:41.299 club it is. For instance, The OMS 40 meter single 00:23:41.299 --> 00:23:44.000 sideband net is on right now and the 39 .5 40 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:47.119 meter single sideband early net is on right now. 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:49.140 So you know those two clubs are running nets 00:23:49.140 --> 00:23:52.200 and those tend to be very big nets, a lot of 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:55.420 check -ins. They also have websites that give 00:23:55.420 --> 00:23:58.000 you background information on that net if you 00:23:58.000 --> 00:24:00.329 want to kind of figure out what's... that net's 00:24:00.329 --> 00:24:02.750 about before you got involved in it. But anyway, 00:24:03.150 --> 00:24:04.890 you click, I'll give you this list, you click 00:24:04.890 --> 00:24:08.309 on the line, and then you click on the button 00:24:08.309 --> 00:24:12.609 monitor net. And that will bring up this whole 00:24:12.609 --> 00:24:17.109 big check -ins table, and it'll show you who's 00:24:17.109 --> 00:24:20.069 currently checked into the net. And you might 00:24:20.069 --> 00:24:23.609 see a bunch of colors. There's a kind of, in 00:24:23.609 --> 00:24:26.000 the help documentation, there's a... a guide 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:28.200 to what those colors might mean. As I said, the 00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:32.440 pink line is who's turn it currently is. And 00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:37.279 then there's an orange line for designated relays. 00:24:37.779 --> 00:24:40.160 There's a darker purple line for the net control. 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:42.900 The lines might be gray if somebody you checked 00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:45.500 in, but then they have checked out. There's a 00:24:45.500 --> 00:24:47.440 bunch of color codes that kind of give you status, 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:49.859 and it gives you a lot of information about all 00:24:49.859 --> 00:24:52.869 the people who are checked in. And of course, 00:24:53.150 --> 00:24:55.230 you could just be there just watching if you 00:24:55.230 --> 00:24:58.210 want for a while, but if you want to actually 00:24:58.210 --> 00:25:00.269 really participate in the net, you need to actually 00:25:00.269 --> 00:25:03.369 get on the radio. And that information is there 00:25:03.369 --> 00:25:06.849 at the top. It shows you what frequency they're 00:25:06.849 --> 00:25:09.750 on, the mode, and you get on the air and check 00:25:09.750 --> 00:25:13.009 in with the NCS when they... give you that option, 00:25:13.309 --> 00:25:15.190 because when the net's first starting, they'll 00:25:15.190 --> 00:25:16.690 be going through, taking check -ins, and then 00:25:16.690 --> 00:25:19.970 periodically they'll, maybe once every 20, 30 00:25:19.970 --> 00:25:21.829 minutes, or when they get through a certain number 00:25:21.829 --> 00:25:24.369 of people, they'll ask for more check -ins, and 00:25:24.369 --> 00:25:28.349 you just give your call, and you'll be recognized. 00:25:28.970 --> 00:25:31.269 So these bigger nets have a lot of relays, which 00:25:31.269 --> 00:25:34.190 really helps when it's a statewide, a country 00:25:34.190 --> 00:25:38.750 -wide, or even worldwide net. the you know, you 00:25:38.750 --> 00:25:40.650 might have be a heard by the NCS, but you might 00:25:40.650 --> 00:25:43.329 be heard by relay and you know, they'll check 00:25:43.329 --> 00:25:45.230 you they'll check you in and and then you can 00:25:45.230 --> 00:25:48.990 listen to see who you hear and You know, I'm 00:25:48.990 --> 00:25:50.650 taking a notation of that So when it becomes 00:25:50.650 --> 00:25:52.430 your turn, you'll know who you know You don't 00:25:52.430 --> 00:25:54.009 want to try to make a call to some of you haven't 00:25:54.009 --> 00:25:56.029 heard necessarily and as there some of you really 00:25:56.029 --> 00:25:58.049 want you know some kind of word credit but uh, 00:25:58.529 --> 00:26:00.109 but uh, you know, you might most likely want 00:26:00.109 --> 00:26:01.890 to make a contact with somebody you can hear 00:26:01.890 --> 00:26:05.599 well and and or you know and make that, make 00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:07.819 that call and, uh, and then that'll, that'll 00:26:07.819 --> 00:26:12.980 be your turn. And the cost for all of this is 00:26:12.980 --> 00:26:18.519 free. And if you order now, we'll throw in a 00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:23.980 second. So it is all free. So, and I believe 00:26:23.980 --> 00:26:28.019 you do, um, except some, some donations for the 00:26:28.019 --> 00:26:31.700 servers. Is that right? Yes. Uh, yeah, I don't. 00:26:31.789 --> 00:26:35.029 uh... get it getting money uh... the the ghosted 00:26:35.029 --> 00:26:37.910 at the guy i mentioned before who's the server 00:26:37.910 --> 00:26:41.250 administrator and off of the server software, 00:26:41.569 --> 00:26:44.569 John Dean, he's kind of the administrator of 00:26:44.569 --> 00:26:48.450 the NetLogger funds and it pays basically for, 00:26:49.269 --> 00:26:52.529 we have three public servers, we have a fourth 00:26:52.529 --> 00:26:57.170 debug and development server, and it costs money 00:26:57.170 --> 00:27:01.049 to, there's monthly fees for hosting this service 00:27:01.049 --> 00:27:06.519 and it costs money to keep that going. That's 00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:09.019 where the donations go to is to keep things going 00:27:09.019 --> 00:27:14.119 there. And that's on the website there. So all 00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:16.619 right. 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And we have. a message from 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.579 Eric Bunninger and he says netlogger is great 00:30:02.579 --> 00:30:05.680 keep up the good work any chance of an Android 00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:10.400 interface for the phone and that's into KOJ and 00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:13.180 he also says thank you for allowing him to be 00:30:13.180 --> 00:30:18.319 a beta tester and the king of Jersey is very 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:22.279 happy to use that so what do you say about the 00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:27.430 Android thing? OK, yeah. Thanks for that question 00:30:27.430 --> 00:30:32.710 from Erica. I know him well. And basically, there 00:30:32.710 --> 00:30:36.950 is another person I know of who has wanted to 00:30:36.950 --> 00:30:38.809 do that and has done some preliminary work on 00:30:38.809 --> 00:30:41.150 it. But I'm not sure if they're going to continue 00:30:41.150 --> 00:30:43.009 with that. It happens a lot that people start 00:30:43.009 --> 00:30:45.630 and realize how big the project is and don't 00:30:45.630 --> 00:30:48.529 complete it. There's a chance that I might do 00:30:48.529 --> 00:30:53.259 it. The software that I use, I develop in Qt, 00:30:53.380 --> 00:30:55.920 which lets me port it between Windows and Linux 00:30:55.920 --> 00:31:00.559 and Mac OS. It does support Android. I have compiled 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.539 it once and put it on my phone, but it's pretty 00:31:03.539 --> 00:31:06.700 much unusable on Android the way it currently 00:31:06.700 --> 00:31:09.619 is. It would take a lot of kind of rework for 00:31:09.619 --> 00:31:15.839 the UI to work properly. on a phone, I can barely 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.880 make it work with a pen. I have a Samsung Note 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:21.839 4 and I have to use the pen to be able to precisely 00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:24.359 get to the loop, dots to be able to make things 00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:26.740 work. It would be completely unusable the way 00:31:26.740 --> 00:31:29.420 it is right now. It would take a fair amount 00:31:29.420 --> 00:31:32.019 of work to really kind of make it kind of an 00:31:32.019 --> 00:31:35.539 Android app that really would work. So I can't 00:31:35.539 --> 00:31:38.940 promise anything there, but there is the possibility. 00:31:40.840 --> 00:31:44.559 likely to be any time in the near future. okay 00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:46.859 so there you go Eric there's your answer and 00:31:46.859 --> 00:31:50.599 thank you for sending in the tweet and if you 00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:53.420 have a question or comment about NetLogger give 00:31:53.420 --> 00:31:58.720 us a call 812 -638 -4261 is the phone number 00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:03.460 that spells 812 -NET -HAM -1 or you can Skype 00:32:03.460 --> 00:32:07.279 us just find HamTalk Live or you can tweet us 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:12.150 like Eric did at HamTalk Live and so we'll Keep 00:32:12.150 --> 00:32:16.349 an eye on those here for the next next few minutes. 00:32:16.630 --> 00:32:23.670 So Let's see here actually James KB 7 TBT as 00:32:23.670 --> 00:32:29.069 a oh the chat window. Yeah He's asking about 00:32:29.069 --> 00:32:33.150 the chat window on Spreaker and yeah, that's 00:32:33.150 --> 00:32:35.630 in in Spreaker. So I don't have any control over 00:32:35.630 --> 00:32:46.190 that James We usually just take Take it by tweets, 00:32:46.769 --> 00:32:50.490 rather. Oh, on NetLogger. Oh, oh, oh, oh. He's 00:32:50.490 --> 00:32:53.490 talking about NetLogger. OK. So he's saying the 00:32:53.490 --> 00:32:58.369 instinct message window, he's wondering if we 00:32:58.369 --> 00:33:03.470 might be able to rename that to chat window or 00:33:03.470 --> 00:33:07.210 something that might be a little less confusing 00:33:07.210 --> 00:33:11.119 to some people. That's what he's talking about. 00:33:11.900 --> 00:33:14.019 So sorry. I thought he was talking about on the 00:33:14.019 --> 00:33:18.660 show. So All right, that's that's from from James 00:33:18.660 --> 00:33:26.160 KB 17 BT Yeah, I don't know I think that you 00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:27.779 know, there's kind of a history there so people 00:33:27.779 --> 00:33:33.279 kind of know what it is and so I My inclination 00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:35.720 would be to say no right now, that it would stay 00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:37.819 where it is. I would eventually hope to replace, 00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:42.619 change it from aim to just I am, because one 00:33:42.619 --> 00:33:44.420 of my goals down the road is to change the way 00:33:44.420 --> 00:33:46.460 the protocol works, so that instead of being 00:33:46.460 --> 00:33:48.839 a poll protocol, which only polls once every 00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:51.319 20 seconds, and we can't increase that poll rate 00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:54.259 because it just overloads the servers. but to 00:33:54.259 --> 00:33:55.960 a push protocol, which then would allow it to 00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:59.079 actually be a real true instant messaging. And 00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:00.680 it would also improve a lot of the other functionality 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:04.519 if you'd, and consume less bandwidth too, if 00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:05.960 things weren't just constantly polling for things 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.420 that weren't necessarily changing at that higher 00:34:08.420 --> 00:34:12.780 rate. But as far as changes to a chat name, yeah, 00:34:13.860 --> 00:34:17.489 I'd probably lean towards no on that. Okay. And 00:34:17.489 --> 00:34:22.989 you already answered the next question. So Karate 00:34:22.989 --> 00:34:26.789 very Katie to GUT says, can the chat window on 00:34:26.789 --> 00:34:31.590 NetLogger be more instant? So there's your answer, 00:34:31.789 --> 00:34:34.590 Karen, before you even got the question through. 00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:38.780 Yeah, I'll just expand a little bit on that just 00:34:38.780 --> 00:34:42.119 that yeah it as I said earlier the we cost money 00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:44.579 to run these servers and it's amazing even though 00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:49.219 it's just text it you know that these are shared 00:34:49.219 --> 00:34:51.079 servers with their share with much other users 00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:54.059 and and you have multiple nets running at you 00:34:54.059 --> 00:34:57.420 know hundreds of polls running simultaneously, 00:34:58.019 --> 00:35:01.159 and it does actually take up some significant 00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:04.280 CPU time relative to the cost of running the 00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:07.679 server. So I've been told I can't increase the 00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:10.679 poll time beyond 20 seconds right now. So it 00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.460 would take a change in the basic way the whole 00:35:13.460 --> 00:35:16.059 program worked to make that instant. And that's 00:35:16.059 --> 00:35:17.539 something I'm considering down the road, but 00:35:17.539 --> 00:35:20.300 it's a lot of work and not likely to happen anytime 00:35:20.300 --> 00:35:25.409 soon. Okay, John, thanks for your answers there. 00:35:26.510 --> 00:35:30.170 And if you have a question or comment about NetLogger, 00:35:30.590 --> 00:35:34.809 we still have a few minutes here. So give John 00:35:34.809 --> 00:35:41.070 your question by calling 812 -638 -4261, or give 00:35:41.070 --> 00:35:46.230 us a call on Skype at HamTalk Live, or you can 00:35:46.230 --> 00:35:51.650 tweet us at HamTalk Live as well. And we will... 00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:57.760 get your question answered hopefully and Just 00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:02.400 checking all of those to make sure We're not 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:08.659 missing anything here Okay, so give us a call 00:36:08.659 --> 00:36:15.239 we have about six minutes left here so While 00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:17.739 we're waiting on on some more questions here, 00:36:17.739 --> 00:36:23.960 what are Some of the most common questions that 00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:31.480 you Get about netlogger Well, it depends on who 00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:33.199 gets the questions because there is a support 00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:36.440 site and but John Dean tries to answer most of 00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:39.159 them before you know unless I unless uh It gets 00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:41.159 to be something pretty technical in which case 00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:43.960 I yeah I had to jump in but uh because some of 00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:46.320 the most common things is is it just basic Windows 00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:48.300 things where they download and don't know where 00:36:48.300 --> 00:36:53.969 to find the file to do the install and just, 00:36:53.969 --> 00:36:56.949 you know, basically mostly install -based questions 00:36:56.949 --> 00:37:01.150 and getting the software installed. So then the 00:37:01.150 --> 00:37:04.989 other ones may be how to export their context 00:37:04.989 --> 00:37:11.429 to another logger. The NetLogger supports direct 00:37:11.429 --> 00:37:14.489 upload of contacts to EQSL and Log of the World. 00:37:15.010 --> 00:37:17.530 So sometimes there are questions on that. In 00:37:17.530 --> 00:37:20.550 particular, setting up Log of the World, because 00:37:20.550 --> 00:37:24.650 that requires certificates to be set up through 00:37:24.650 --> 00:37:30.289 ARDL. And so there's sometimes some complications 00:37:30.289 --> 00:37:35.250 with that. Those are the kind of questions I've 00:37:35.250 --> 00:37:40.050 typically gotten. Okay, very good 812 net ham 00:37:40.050 --> 00:37:43.510 one is the phone number eight one two six three 00:37:43.510 --> 00:37:46.650 eight four two six one You can give us a call 00:37:46.650 --> 00:37:49.289 and ask your question or leave a comment for 00:37:49.289 --> 00:37:52.190 John here. We have Again, just a few minutes 00:37:52.190 --> 00:37:56.789 left or you can tweet us or Skype us at ham talk 00:37:56.789 --> 00:38:01.170 live Now you've mentioned some of the bigger 00:38:01.170 --> 00:38:07.800 Nets that have been using net logger Any any 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:14.679 others that you want to mention Hmm there are 00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:17.420 I said a lot of one, you know, they run one net 00:38:17.420 --> 00:38:21.280 a day or they run a net, you know once a week 00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:27.659 but try to think There are nets running almost 00:38:27.659 --> 00:38:30.559 24 hours a day it's kind of interesting because 00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:34.820 like I'm involved in the triple H net which is 00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:38.039 which is the net I kind of came across and discovered 00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:41.139 about nets when I first got my ham license was 00:38:41.139 --> 00:38:42.659 getting on late at night. And it's like, oh, 00:38:42.739 --> 00:38:45.000 there's a bunch of people talking here and jumped 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:49.159 in. And so that was the Triple H net is one that's 00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:51.699 one of the later nets, because it comes on at 00:38:51.699 --> 00:38:57.639 about 1 a .m. my time. It's 0700 UTC. And they 00:38:57.639 --> 00:38:59.619 go for two or three hours. So they cover most 00:38:59.619 --> 00:39:04.969 of the night. And then when they're going off, 00:39:05.809 --> 00:39:08.230 we have nets that pretty much are popping up 00:39:08.230 --> 00:39:11.309 early in the morning. There are a lot of times 00:39:11.309 --> 00:39:15.349 coffee nets where people are getting up in the 00:39:15.349 --> 00:39:17.690 morning and getting on the radio and people discuss 00:39:17.690 --> 00:39:21.429 the weather and stuff like that. The three things 00:39:21.429 --> 00:39:24.949 that you always talk about on ham radio, weather, 00:39:25.909 --> 00:39:29.110 your garden, and your ailments. Those are the 00:39:29.110 --> 00:39:32.679 three. That's the triad of ham radio right there. 00:39:33.059 --> 00:39:36.380 So, right. Yep. Yep. So yeah, you could almost 00:39:36.380 --> 00:39:39.119 always find a net on the running on netloggers. 00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:41.380 Some of the, some of the dead times in the middle 00:39:41.380 --> 00:39:43.119 of the afternoon, actually a lot of times the 00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:44.860 baby only net you might find might be the wild 00:39:44.860 --> 00:39:48.190 system. We run, as I said, pretty much. all day 00:39:48.190 --> 00:39:51.309 long and and now one of the things they used 00:39:51.309 --> 00:39:53.829 to close the net and open the net but now sometimes 00:39:53.829 --> 00:39:56.309 they will just use the same net and transfer 00:39:56.309 --> 00:39:59.269 loggers and keep just keep the same net open 00:39:59.269 --> 00:40:01.010 and actually change you know you can change the 00:40:01.010 --> 00:40:03.650 name of the net you know dynamically so at the 00:40:03.650 --> 00:40:05.130 end of two hours they may change to the you know 00:40:05.130 --> 00:40:07.969 the the next uh you know session that they have 00:40:07.969 --> 00:40:10.389 uh blanking on the name they use but they they 00:40:10.389 --> 00:40:13.010 have you know in the morning they have uh kind 00:40:13.010 --> 00:40:14.869 of sunshine type nets and at the evening they 00:40:14.869 --> 00:40:19.210 call them uh moonbeam and uh But they cover the 00:40:19.210 --> 00:40:23.929 whole day. Very good. Now, you mentioned all 00:40:23.929 --> 00:40:28.510 day long. Are there any international nets? Are 00:40:28.510 --> 00:40:32.289 there any outside of the US that have been using 00:40:32.289 --> 00:40:38.369 NetLogger? Not based internationally. I've never 00:40:38.369 --> 00:40:41.210 seen a net that's based in Europe using the software. 00:40:41.590 --> 00:40:44.369 And actually, there's no reason it wouldn't work. 00:40:45.170 --> 00:40:47.550 But again, at night, some of the 40 -meter nets, 00:40:47.849 --> 00:40:51.750 like Triple H net, we encourage participation 00:40:51.750 --> 00:40:55.510 from international contacts. In the Triple H 00:40:55.510 --> 00:40:57.789 net, we actually give priority to them. If they 00:40:57.789 --> 00:40:59.989 jump in, it'll become their turn immediately. 00:41:03.769 --> 00:41:07.449 a rare station and were willing to join the net 00:41:07.449 --> 00:41:10.389 and become part of it, they'll get a lot of calls 00:41:10.389 --> 00:41:13.750 from the members of the net to get that particular 00:41:13.750 --> 00:41:20.269 contact. But OMS also, and 39 .5 would certainly 00:41:20.269 --> 00:41:23.570 actively would like to have international participation. 00:41:23.710 --> 00:41:29.750 But I've never seen a net based in Europe using 00:41:29.750 --> 00:41:34.599 NetLogger. or any other part of the world. Very 00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:39.139 good. Well, John, I think that covers pretty 00:41:39.139 --> 00:41:41.320 much everything we had set out to do tonight. 00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:44.980 And so I thank you for coming on and sharing 00:41:44.980 --> 00:41:49.739 all your knowledge with us about NetLogger. And 00:41:49.739 --> 00:41:54.460 hopefully some other Nats out there can make 00:41:54.460 --> 00:41:58.340 some use of this. And I'm kind of... been asking 00:41:58.340 --> 00:42:02.219 around my local nets here, if we wanted to start 00:42:02.219 --> 00:42:05.260 doing that, because it would really help some, 00:42:05.260 --> 00:42:07.960 you know, back channel communication between 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:11.340 the net control and the backup net control and, 00:42:11.340 --> 00:42:14.780 you know, to where you could you could manage 00:42:14.780 --> 00:42:17.260 those things and multitask a little bit better. 00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:20.579 And so I think we're going to give it give it 00:42:20.579 --> 00:42:24.579 a shot at some point. So thank you for writing 00:42:24.579 --> 00:42:27.139 that and coming on and telling us all about it. 00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:30.500 Oh, thanks again. Do we have a second just to 00:42:30.500 --> 00:42:34.099 give some other resources? So yeah, if you have 00:42:34.099 --> 00:42:36.960 any other questions and stuff, there's the NetLogger 00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:39.920 website, there's user forums, and there's also 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:43.039 support for answering specific problems. And 00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:46.079 then under the application, if you click Help, 00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:48.219 there's a Contents and Index, and there's a fairly 00:42:48.219 --> 00:42:51.820 thorough documentation for all the features in 00:42:51.820 --> 00:42:53.699 NetLogger, because there are quite a few things 00:42:53.699 --> 00:42:57.869 that are useful to various people. Kind of what's 00:42:57.869 --> 00:42:59.630 there and thanks for having me on and I certainly 00:42:59.630 --> 00:43:04.349 enjoy and remind us of the URL again www .netlogger 00:43:04.349 --> 00:43:09.510 .org Okay, netlogger .org and again They will 00:43:09.510 --> 00:43:12.369 accept donations for that to help run the servers, 00:43:12.389 --> 00:43:14.789 but the software is free. The service is free. 00:43:14.849 --> 00:43:19.079 So get in there and give it a try. So that is 00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.320 a wrap for this week's edition of HamTalk Live. 00:43:22.659 --> 00:43:27.400 Thanks to John Marvin AC0ZG and everybody out 00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.119 there in cyberspace for listening and calling 00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:33.840 in and come back next Thursday night 9 p .m. 00:43:34.019 --> 00:43:36.380 Eastern Time that's when we're here right here 00:43:36.380 --> 00:43:39.980 at HamTalkLive .com and if you want to see who's 00:43:39.980 --> 00:43:42.739 coming up next in the next few weeks go over 00:43:42.739 --> 00:43:46.329 to HamTalkLive .com click on the Schedule link 00:43:46.329 --> 00:43:48.949 and you'll see the latest updates there. We're 00:43:48.949 --> 00:43:52.230 still kind of juggling a few people around on 00:43:52.230 --> 00:43:54.289 different days over the next month and a half 00:43:54.289 --> 00:43:57.269 or so, but we've got most of that up there so 00:43:57.269 --> 00:44:01.590 you can check that out. So for now this is NeoWrap 00:44:01.590 --> 00:44:08.750 WB9VPG saying 7375 and may the good DX be yours. 00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:29.179 Thanks for watching.