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Myrtle Beach and it was a good getaway but wow
I'm overwhelmed with all the stuff that I have
to catch up on because there's been a lot going
on. And I haven't quite caught up with it all,
but there were a few things that were going to
happen right away that I did want to mention
just briefly. First of all, a very hearty congratulations
to our friend Marty Sulaway, KC1CWF. uh for being
named this year's amateur radio news line bill
pasternak young ham of the year award winner
so congratulations marty he's going to be formally
receiving that in huntsville at the ham fest
in just a couple of weeks So congratulations
to him. Also, there's a FEMA exercise that started
today called Vigilant Guard, and that continues
today through August 6th. And Lloyd Colston,
KC5FM, sent us some information on that, and
honestly, I haven't had time to read it all.
But I wanted to mention that, so if you are interested
in that FEMA exercise, make sure you get ahold
of Lloyd or look up Vigilant Guard and you can
find something. about that, and also we'll have
something over on amateur radio newsline about
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at HamTalkLive .com. Well tonight, Andrew and
Lisa are with us. Andrew has many call signs,
but is perhaps best known for his contest station
in Denmark, OZ5E. His personal call signs are
OZ1XJ and G3WZZ. He and his wife Lisa make up
the Andrew John and Lisa duo. They are very well
known musicians, especially in Denmark and are
members of the Darkford Folk Club Hall of Fame.
But tonight we're talking about another band
they formed and that's the Ham Band. Yes, it's
the people who made that video from Atop that
hundred foot tower, they're here to talk with
you this evening. And actually it's three o 'clock
in the morning in Denmark and I gave them a chance
to do this pre -recorded and they said, no, no,
no, we want to do it live. And they may be regretting
that decision right now as they're, uh, they're
loading up on coffee. So Andrew and Lisa, thank
you so much for coming on the show anyway. Yeah,
but it's it's it's nice to be here and a lot
of coffee and we'll be okay Lisa's here, too
Yes, and it's pitch -dark outside and our dog
refused to come over to the radio room. So he's
still asleep Yeah, I'd say it's sensible so thank
you so much for being up at 3 a .m. For the show
well It's a pleasure to have you here. And a
few years ago, this music video that you guys
made, come and join us on the airwaves. It went
viral over here, at least. It was playing on
a big screen TV at Dayton a few years ago. And
it's been a big topic of discussion in the ham
radio club that I do at my school. That we always
play that video and they always sing, they're
singing it. you know, half the time. And so I
thought, you know, we, we ought to reach out
and see if, uh, if you'd come on the show and
talk a little bit about how you made that video.
But before we do that, you were kind enough to
send me a copy of your whole CD called seek you
of course, which that's a play on CQ. Um, And
I had a chance to listen to it on a drive home
one night last week and I was I was really really
impressed and I've been looking forward to doing
the show because the wit of some of these lyrics
and and the quality of this CD was just so impressive
and I know you guys are fans of the Spurry Submissions
band we've had them on and they do some rock
and roll parodies but but this is some original
country songs about ham radio and some of the
real struggles in hams live so tell us about
the CD and the musicians that you used for making
that recording well the we were in the middle
of doing a recording in Nashville and which is
where we do all our recording and I had this
idea let's see whether we can we can write a
lot of songs that really do tell the whole story
of about amateur radio and I was so lucky at
the time I decided to write the songs it was
you know nothing it's not recently but there's
not a lot new happened in amateur radio since
we did the album. So it was very, very lucky
that we chose the right time and we got the best
musicians in the world playing the music. So
it turned out quite nice and I think more than
a million people have seen the video and a few
people have bought the album, not enough. And
amateur radio is not an expensive hobby at all
in my opinion. but the way we do it at OscarZulu5Echo.
in Denmark. We're quite an advanced station.
We've got a lot of nice antennas. And you know,
the music side of things, it keeps us happy.
Because every time we do a contest or work DX,
the people say, hey, isn't that Andrew from the
hand band? So I think we've made a couple of
people happy going. Yeah, and and these musicians
from Nashville Tell us some of the people they
play with They well with in the past. Well, the
the owner of the studio is is Wayne Moss and
he everybody knows that the the Roy Orbison song
pretty woman and it goes dong dong dong dong
and the guy who played that riff was was Wayne
Moss who owns the studio he didn't even play
on the record and then the bass player I don't
know if anybody remembers that the Buddy Holly
when his plane crashed there was a Waylon Jennings
and a gentleman called Just a moment. My mind
is this the middle of the night, but Tommy also
Yeah, Tommy also now Tommy also played the bass
on this record and he was the guy who flipped
a coin with the big bopper and the big bopper
got the seat on the plane and he died in the
crash and Tommy also Lived to play the bass on
the handband go ahead Well, that's a deal there.
That's a deal to play for the hand band. That's
a good thing. And then some other people. We've
got a lot of really good musicians. So the strange
thing about the record is that it is far better
than you might imagine. It sounds like a parody
and it sounds like we are not a serious bunch
of musicians. But I can tell you, we really are.
and we've got mixed reception few people think
that it's ridiculous to sing songs about amateur
radio and to be honest they're absolutely right
and sometimes that's a good thing yeah it is
exactly well i admit um country music isn't usually
my style even though it ironically when I worked
in radio I was a DJ at a country music station
for about three years but when I listened to
this CD It was just so entertaining and I just
kept listening over and over again. And the last
song that we're going to play tonight, I don't
know how many times I've listened to that song
in the last week, but one of the jokes I always
heard about country music and Rascal Flatts even
made a song about it is what happens when you
play a country song backwards? Do you know? I
have no idea. Tell us. You get your wife back.
You get your dog back. Your truck starts running
again. Now, I didn't hear anything about dogs
or trucks, but Lisa, I did notice there were
several songs that had to do with hams that didn't
keep their wives happy because they were on the
radio all the time. So is that a real struggle?
Well, in our little family, it's actually not
a struggle because Andrew never goes off to work
and leaves me at home. Because we work together,
we've been professional musicians together for...
over 40 years. So we're together 24 hours a day.
So I think it's actually quite relaxing when
he goes to his radio room and gives me and the
dog a little bit of peace and quiet. So we're
probably not a very typical ham radio family.
Andrew was telling me about another one of the
songs that was called Always On The Air, and
there was an interesting story behind that where
it was a struggle. So, Andrew, I think you've
got your guitar there. You want to play a little
bit of that one? Yeah, what I'm going to do,
what Lisa and I are going to do, we're going
to sing the first verse, just a short bit of
it because we're not really up to scratch at
three in the morning to play a whole song. But
we'll play this one and try and concentrate on
the words because I'm going to tell the story
afterwards. So this is a little bit of the song
called Always On The Air. In 1989, a good old
friend of mine got married to a radio ham like
I did. They were happy at the start, when they
began to drift apart. Because he's always on
the air, my friend confided. Cause he was always
on the air It really wasn't fair More sing to
some man who wasn't there Just like a crazy love
affair It drove her to despair It seemed like
he was always on the air There's supposed to
be a real big roar of applause. Oh, we have that
we have there it is So yeah, tell us the story
about it's just an amazing story and it's absolutely
true and this is one of the strange things that
not a lot of people have picked up on this but
Morse code is very very interesting because it
is there are some psychologists that say that
it's the shortest way for two human brains to
contact each other because once you're up to
speed really fast it's just almost it's so fast
that you can't think about it and what happened
it's absolutely true story in our city in in
Denmark the second largest city is Aarhus that's
alpha radio hotel uniform sugar and there was
a gentleman who was a very very fanatical morse
operator and he had a very good friend in in
switzerland and they used he used to come home
from work and go straight into the shack and
operate the radio and this went on for a number
of years and then the wife finally decided all
right if you can't beat them join them so she
got her license learnt Morse code, got up to
speed and started using another radio in the
same house and they went on for a while and then
she actually fell in love with this Swiss guy
who and they'd never met, they'd never seen each
other before and at some point she asked her
husband if they could invite the guy to visit
and the guy came and visited and the love proved
to be true and she moved away. So that was the
story always on the air and it is absolutely
true. And if anybody wants documentation, I have
it. Okay. Wow. So, so Morse may have some closer
connections than we actually thought. Well, uh,
let's, let's get back to the, um, Join us on
the airwaves and we're gonna play a little clip
of that and just in case people haven't heard
that But tell us how you were able to video that
while you were up on the tower and that's not
a small tower that's a hundred foot tower and
i guess some people said wrote in and said they
were worried about you not being properly secured
to the tower when you did that and i know you
were so so tell us how you were able to pull
off that video shoot Well, the real reason we
had a cherry picker or a crane, we were installing
the top tower. We have terrible storms here.
And by the way, I don't think I mentioned it,
or you mentioned it, that I'm the chief engineer
of the contest station, so I'm responsible for
all the technical stuff. So when we did the music
video, it was actually... we'd got the cherry
picker to put up this huge antenna. At that time
it was a Sommar 13 element log periodic sort
of antenna, very very good multi -band antenna.
we've grown up now, we use mono -banders nowadays,
but back then it was multi -band antennas, and
so when I actually changed from my working clothes
into the tuxedo that I wore, for some stupid
reason, I was already quite tired, and this is
why I don't have a big smile on my face, which
I rarely do, as my wife will tell you, but the
idea was that we would film the the thing, and
the crane was big enough to go above the 100
-foot tower, so it's actually fairly impressive.
Nowadays, people would say we've all done it
using computer, whatever it's called, but this
was done absolutely... that we were really up
there. And the strangest thing of all is that
our little puppy... He had he was down on the
ground. He was only 12 or 13 weeks old and We
played the song probably 25 times to get all
the shots in and of course He probably could
hear this thing and we're not the kind of people
who listen to our own music But for the 15 years
that that dog lived he absolutely howled and
screamed every time we played that song It amazes
me that a 13 year old Dog could remember it was
a traumatic experience for that poor little puppy
And it was only when we when we got to the chorus
in the song. Yeah. Yeah And another thing was
that was even more of a problem for us because
I had to open champagne up there I was on on
20 meters and I had about Six bottles of champagne
to open and every time he saw us pick up a bottle
of champagne He was he would freak out completely
Champagne we had to go into another room a different
room while we opened it Now Lisa you were up
there with with that champagne I remember that
Do you climb regularly, or was that something
that you just got talked into for that? No, I
don't. Yeah, I practiced a bit in the weeks before
the filming. I practiced climbing up to about
10 meters with my mountaineering gear and stuff.
But on the day we did the filming, I went up
with a photographer in the lift. and then climbed
over from the lift to the mast. So that was fine.
And I actually enjoyed it up there. Before then
I had a bit of a scare about heights. But once
I was up there on 20 meters and the sun was shining.
And tied on. And of course I was tied on. We're
all tied on when we're up there. I thought it
was wonderful. So pretty view as well. Yeah,
it was great. And it's just because when you
see professional tower climbers, they often have
fairly severely large equipment to keep them
safe. But when you think about it, when rock
climbers, mountaineers, they have very lightweight
stuff, but it's strong enough to save your life.
And that's what we wear. We wear very, very discreet,
but very, very strong stuff. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
I want to make sure that you You mentioned that
because I know there are some people concerned
about that. So. All right. Well, let's listen
to just a little clip of that song. And again,
you can catch that over on, uh, on YouTube. It's,
uh, join us on the airwaves by the ham band.
Let the world unfurl before you. You'll be the
one who sets the trends. All right, so there
you have it. There's the story of doing that
song up on the tower. Now, one of my favorite
songs on the CD is I'm not climbing up the tower
anymore. And Andrew, you're 70 years old, you
told me, and you're still climbing. So was that
song out of frustration after being on the tower
so long to make the video? Or what was the story
behind that? I think the big problem, as many
people realize, is that when the wind blows,
The you check the the weather forecast and you
think well it says this kind of speed of wind
but for some reason our station is is Incredibly
windy and even though they tell us it's going
to be this kind of speed It's always more and
we lose towers. In fact our summer antenna which
has survived all sorts of stuff in Florida. It's
a very, very sturdy antenna. And I remember talking
to Mr. Sommer in Florida, and he said after the
second Sommer antenna died a death in the wind,
he said, you may want to try another kind of
antenna. So we did. But the problem is that nobody
except me at the station climbs the tower. So
I've been doing that for the last 35 years and
I don't mind it too much. The biggest problem
was getting past the tick ring halfway up the
tower. If anybody's done tower climbing, the
worst thing is climbing past a tick ring. That's
really unpleasant. But apart from that, as Lisa
says, once you're up there and you're tied on,
it's a beautiful view and you can work with both
hands. And the height doesn't bother me at all.
And I was up the tower just two or three days
ago and fixing something which I hope I will
never have to climb up and fix again. But I guess
I will. I'll be up there quite soon. And, you
know, it's just part of the hobby. Part of the
most, I think it's the most fascinating thing
about it is the antenna work. And so, you know,
I'm a rag chewer, even though we have a contest
station, I'm a rag chewer and I enjoy any kind
of proper conversation with somebody. But a lot
of the other guys at the station are fanatical
DXers and fanatical contest people. And there's
room for everything in this hobby. I think the
most unpleasant thing about the hobby is where
people say, I'm a contestor, you're spoiling
my ability to be a contestor, or I'm a DXer,
you're spoiling my ability to be a DXer. be more
tolerant and if there's one thing that radio
amateurs aren't is tolerant. Don't you agree
Neil? I think it depends on the situation. I
think some people have a little better tolerance
than others maybe. Yeah, but it's you know, it's
but it's it's a wonderful hobby and it's it's
it's really really strange the only thing you
know I was talking about the the recently you
have the big Boy Scout Jamboree in the States
and there was also a similar thing in in Europe
and that happened to be in Denmark and You know,
it's a strange thing that in the old days you
could really at the Scout Jamborees you could
really impress people by saying you know you
you come from from Japan now come into the radio
tent you can talk to your your folks back home
in Japan or you can talk to somebody back home
in Japan and nowadays the nobody in of the younger
generation is impressed by that and I think that's
a shame because it's it's so much different from
using the the internet and Skype and Facebook
and all that but You know times have changed
and I'm still impressed when when I get visitors
to the station and you can always see a potential
radio ham and that's somebody who looks up with
love at the big antenna and looks at the sky
and you can see them imagining the ionosphere
and in one of my songs I wrote a glass of beer
and a friendly ionosphere and I think that's
the way we radio hams look at the propagation
of the waves. Go ahead. Now, you mentioned identifying
ham radio operators. You've told me that Lisa
has a very unique ability. Yeah, I can spot them.
I've been traveling and been to parties and all
of a sudden I can turn to the guy sitting next
to me and say... You are a radio ham and they
look very frightened and they'll see how did
you know? Well, hey we're good we're gonna we're
gonna stop here and we're gonna listen to just
a couple of minutes of I'm not climbing up the
tower anymore and then and then after that we're
going to we're going to take some calls so here
is I'm not climbing up the tower anymore from
the ham band Big antennas on a hundred foot tower
A brand new radio and maximum power I never thought
I'd ever get to realise that Now Yen and me have
got the lot But I'm never on the air at all Every
time I want to chat for an hour Something sends
me to the top of the tower From today I'm gonna
put a stop to all that Cause I'm not climbing
up the tower anymore I told you once, I told
you twice a hundred times before The exercise
may do me good, the view may overaw But I'm not
climbing up the tower anymore That was the seventh
time I climbed today, my fingers are all raw
My nose and toes are frozen and my skinny legs
are sore You can beg and you can bribe me on
your knees you may implore But I'm not climbing
up the tower anymore I'll just relax and chat
Okay, well there you have it Andrew's not climbing
up the tower anymore at least until tomorrow
so It's time for your calls now. So if you have
a question for Andrew or Lisa that phone number
to call is area code 812 and then net ham1 that's
812 -638 -4261 in numbers 812 -638 -4261 or you
can skype us our skype name is ham talk live
or you can send us a tweet we'll check the tweets
here in a little bit And that's at ham talk live
as well. So if you've got a question about the
video or the contest station or, or any of the
music on the CD, just give us a call. And the
time to do that is now. So we'll, we'll take
those calls, um, as soon as you can make them.
Um, now while we're waiting on that, uh, we've
been talking about the contest station a bit.
So I see that there's some, songs on the CD about
contesting as well. And so tell us a little bit
more about your contest station there at OZ5E.
Okay, but OZ5E is the shortest possible CW call
from Denmark. It's still a bit long with the
O and the Z, but the E keeps it a bit short.
And we have probably the best contest station
in Denmark and possibly four of the best operators.
We do have the disadvantage that we're a little
bit too far to the north, which means that things
tend to end a little bit earlier than they do
further south, which means we have a handicap,
but we really have aimed to go for mono band
antennas, so we've got a really nice setup and
with mono bands on 160 all the way up to six
meters and it works very well and with just to
give you an idea our our operators they went
to Qatar I think it was Alpha 73 Alpha I'm not
absolutely certain I'm not a person who remembers
call signs very well but Alpha 73 Alpha were
number two in the world cq worldwide ssb and
that was three or four of the operators from
our station who won that title and if anybody's
interested in contesting the same team will be
on oscar zulu 5 echo the cq worldwide cw and
ssb contest because they don't imagine they could
possibly do better than number two in the world
because the competition is of course over in
the Caribbean. So they decided to stay home.
So we look forward to that. Is there anything
else you want to know about the station, Neil?
Yeah, so how many how many antennas do you have
on that tower right now? Well, as it changed
since the video? It has we've got two we've got
three towers now, so it's a mono band of five
elements on 20 meters six elements on 15 six
elements on 10 and then a four square on 80 and
Vertical on 160 and a couple of things on six
meters six meters is getting really really popular
not in my particular experience, but this new
digital mode which I I can't remember what it's
called, maybe you know what it's called, but
very, very, very high degree of activity on six
meters at the moment. I wonder if you do that,
Neil. Is that FT8? I'm not sure. It's a brand
new one. Yeah, and you know, it's never interested
me. I don't know if you are aware of the fact
that the difference between amateur radio in
in the States and in the UK and a lot of the
other countries in certainly in Europe is that
a lot of the people don't really like rag chewing
because English is a second language for them
and the rag chewing if it's not within their
own country tends to be a little difficult, whereas
in the UK and in America, we all write to you
as we bore each other to death. Don't you agree,
Neil? And in fact, you talk about that in one
of your songs that's coming up. And I really
appreciated that, because one of the things that
I've always said in ham radio is that there's
three things you always talk about. The weather
your garden and your ambulance Those are the
three things that you always have to talk about
Yeah, but under the one you're thinking about
is I I think I said I don't know your power or
the height of your tower and frankly, I don't
give a That is the one, and we will play that
here in just a little bit. In fact, we're going
to play another little clip about contesting.
This one's a fairly short one. But again, the
phone number to call is 812 -638 -4261. So give
us a call, 812 -NET -M1. And if you have a question
for Andrew and Lisa, and we'll be back here in
just a minute. can beat a weekend contest and
no one in the world can beat us we're busy getting
ready for the final conquest a lot of little
plans to discuss just an hour to go before we
start the show and then it's 48 hours of hell
although it's hard to explain why we split up
with this pain well we do it again and again
I'm sorry, I'm losing you a little bit. We've
got a, I think we've got a slight ionospheric
disturbance here. I think there's a little bit.
Yeah. It's on my end. I noticed the internet
just cut out on me. So yeah. that was on my end
so my apologies there and and we'll uh we'll
get the recording uploaded so uh so people can
can hear what was happening there so my apologies
but uh we were we're talking about the um contest
uh song we were playing some of that and and
you could really get pumped up listening to that
song um before a contest that could give you
some energy couldn't it yeah use about it. It's
because it's a fairly tempo thing. I didn't mention
that the drummer on this is, is absolutely the
most renowned drummer in the world. He's called
Kenny. And you all know from Youngsburg and just
about every in the 70s, 80s, 90s. Andrew, are
you back with us? Yeah, I've been here all the
time. The internet here has been cutting out.
I can see that it's cutting out. So yeah, well,
we've lost a little bit of this, but we've got
it on the recording. We should have done it on
HF instead, you know. Yeah. And the way the ionosphere
is these days. Wow. If I just point the the five
element I've got four element I didn't mention
this four elements monoband on on 40 so It's
that's pretty good 40 meters for me is a little
bit like 20 meters at the moment So if anybody's
on 40, I can just point the antenna to the America
and I'll fry you up. Go ahead Yeah, there you
go. All right Well, I appreciate you coming on
here and we're just about out of time here. But
I know you wanted to talk a little bit about
one of your passions, getting people interested
in ham radio. So let's talk just a little bit
about that and then we're going to have to go.
Okay, but my Inspiration is I would really like
people to appreciate why I love amateur radio
And I've tried to do it and a number of people
You mentioned Bill Pasternak and the the other
guy was Dave Bell and Dave Bell actually wanted
us to do a video about about amateur radio to
inspire young people and that is partly why we
did the silly one where we're up the tower but
I know that it doesn't really work and in the
same way that I'm saying that talking to the
Boy Scouts and Girl Guides and I think you call
them Girl Scouts actually but in England we call
them Girl Guides it just doesn't seem to appeal
to young people that much because they've got
their iPhones and all that. What I tend to point
out is that it's easy enough to pick up the phone
and call somebody but you have to know a number
and you have to know somebody in order to be
able to call them and the beauty of ham radio
has always been the strange unknown quality about
who's going to come back to your CQ call and
that's what I'm trying to explain to people.
It's just a different world and it's very very
difficult to communicate the concept and at the
end of the day we all discovered this for ham
radio for different reasons and I have not found
a common factor yet but I'm working on it and
I'm going to do a proper video that doesn't bore
people to death because the problem is they show
you with your Handheld radio and who cares it's
just like a mobile phone and they show people
with like us with five elements on 20 and four
elements on 40 and This makes it frightening,
but I want to show people with the station on
Pitcairn Island or Santolina Island with the
piece of wet string and a 10 watt transmitter,
and that's what it's all about. You don't need
a fortune to get into this hobby, I don't think.
Well, we're going to have to end it there, Andrew,
but check out OZ5E .com for the Seek You songs
and about the contest station and tune in next
week. We hope to have something about Huntsville
next week, but that's a wrap for this week's
edition of HamTalk Live. So thanks to Andrew
and Lisa and I'll say 7375 and may the good DX
be yours. Well you came right back to my secure
call Your readability five and strength nine
You never once mentioned your weather at all
And I didn't mention mine We talked and talked
for hours and hours I completely forgot you're
a ham I don't know your power or the height of
your tower And frankly I don't give a damn So
73s, to you and your family, I'll be seeing you
further down the loch. You're 73s, to you and
your family, I'll be seeing you further down
the loch. It's hard to believe that you're empty
indeed, cause you sound just like a local up
here. But why don't those whistling Mediterranean's
check it with green? So we have talked about
thousands of things About shoes, about ships,
about ceiling wax About cabbages and kings