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Live, The Ham Station. You know, September is
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.com. Our guest tonight, Gary West, K -8 DEV,
was born and grew up in rural Ohio and came to
Cincinnati in 1964 to attend the University of
Cincinnati where he graduated with a Bachelor
of Science degree in Industrial Management. Gary
and his wife Dee Dee have been married for 49
years and lived in the Cincinnati area that entire
time and he is now retired. He was the co -owner
of GW Associates that did consulting, packaging,
brokers, and manufacturers representatives, and
during his career he held various management
positions at Kroger Company, and was also employed
at Procter & Gamble, WONE Radio, and WUBE Radio.
And currently Gary is on the board of the National
Voice of America Museum of Broadcasting and the
Gray History of Wireless Museum. He's an advanced
class amateur radio operator and licensed in
1961. And also with us tonight is Jay Adrick,
K8CJY. He's been active in ham radio since 61.
He's a 51 plus year veteran of the broadcast
industry. In 2013, he retired from the Harris
Corporation as their vice president of broadcast
technology, but continues as a consultant in
the industry for digital television. spectrum
issues and some of those repacks where they're
moving some of the channels around. He was awarded
the Television Engineering Achievement Award
by the NAB and a fellow of the Society of Motion
Picture and Television Engineers and IEEE and
SBE as well. Jay serves as a board member of
the Voice of America National Museum of Broadcasting.
So guys, welcome back to the show. It's been
a while. Well, thanks for having us Yeah, now
that you've got a big gala event coming up here
in a little over a week and the 75th anniversary
of the voice of America is coming up and You
got a big celebration there in Westchester, Ohio
on the north suburbs, I guess we will say of
Cincinnati and The big celebration is coming
up next Saturday on the 23rd of September. So,
Gary, why don't you tell us about the big party?
Well, we're looking forward to having a great
time, Neil. It's a dinner and dance party that's
a fundraiser for the museum. And it's going to
be very exciting because longtime journalist
and entertainer, Nick Clooney, will be our MC
and will lead the gala and For those of us in
Cincinnati, we know Nick as the longtime anchor
here on one of the TV stations. He was also an
anchor at Station out in Los Angeles for many
years and also was a host on AMC which I believe
was American movie classics Cable TV channel
and if I'm wrong, correct me. Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, okay But to the rest of the world, he's
better known, I guess, as Rosemary Clooney's
brother or George Clooney's dad. So it's really
going to be great to have him there because he
has quite a knowledge of broadcasting. He's quite
a reader and writer and a student of history
and has a tremendous knowledge of how the VOA
was involved in. helping shape our democratic
way of life here in America. But also Carmen
de Leon and the new studio big band will play
music selections from the days of live radio
broadcasting and that'll be real interesting
I think. The museum also plans to offer some
special one -of -a -kind items for bid during
the evening. But the main thing that's going
to be exciting other than all the stuff I've
talked about before is we're opening a new exhibit
on radio entrepreneur, Powell Crosley, and Jay
has a real thorough knowledge of Powell. Yeah,
well, that's a great deal. And Jay, let's talk
about that here in just a second. But Gary, before
we do that, I want to mention, too, that your
club station does have a special event station
planned for the day of the gala, right? Yes.
We do plan to operate starting mid -morning,
probably around 9 o 'clock, and be on the air
up until just for the event begins at six o 'clock.
Don't know for sure what frequencies will operate.
With conditions the way they are we'll have to
pick spots. So keep your ears for us and hopefully
somebody will spot us so you can have a little,
don't have too much trouble finding us. Yeah
okay so listen for that call sign it's WC8VOA.
So it should be an easy one to pick out on the
bands, but they'll be on there. So yeah, let's
go to Jay and I was there over Hamvention weekend
and was amazed at all the stuff you've added
to the museum. And now there's this new Powell
-Crosley exhibit. So tell us a little history
on Powell -Crosley. I know there's a good book
out there too. I've seen it. I wish I had time
to sit down and read it. Tell us about Powell
-Crosley and a little sneak peek into the exhibit
that's going to open up next week. Okay, very
good, Neil. Well, Powell was a very interesting
gentleman in his era. If he were evaluated by
today's standards, people would say that he was
ADHD. the guy was going in 20 directions at all
times. Started out as an entrepreneur at a very
young age. His dad was a well -established lawyer
here in Cincinnati and he wanted Powell to go
to law school but Powell had I think a semester
or two of law school at the University of Cincinnati
and decided that was not for him. The thing that
really interested him when he was quite young,
were automobiles, which were just coming into
their own. And Powell started with the idea that
eventually he wanted to be an automobile manufacturer,
and he was much later in life. But he wanted
to be a manufacturer, but he started small. He
came up with an invention that would put a liner
inside of the tires of the day. that helped prevent
flats. He also developed a radiator cap with
a flag holder that was popular during World War
I. Powell had a brother, Lewis, who became his
business partner. And he had some ups and downs
in business. He also got into a business that
was woodworking that made cabinets for Victrola's.
And in the early 20s, around 1921, Powell's son,
who at that time was about I think 10 or 12 years
old, was really interested in this new thing
called radio, not so much broadcast radio, but
radio in general. because there were very few
broadcast stations on the air. There were a couple
of experimental stations, but it was mostly amateur
communications. And Ian tried to get his dad
to buy a radio receiver and they went out to
Cincinnati and shopped around and found that
the average radio receiver was about $130 in
1920, which was big money at that time. And he
figured there was a a better way to do it, a
cheaper way to do it. So he contacted the electrical
engineering department at the University of Cincinnati
and hooked up with a student, a fellow of them
with Dorman Israel, and with Dorman, he was able
to come up with an inexpensive radio receiver,
but he also realized that if you were gonna market
radio receivers, you had to have something to
listen to. And at the time, there were only two
or three stations that were on the air, but they
were on the air at sporadic times, the programming
wasn't very good, and it was not something that
would drive people to want to necessarily have
a receiver. So he, at that point in time, commercial
radio was just coming around, but he started
out actually, with an amateur radio call, 8CR.
And he had Dorman build a small transmitter that
was an AM transmitter that he set up in the living
room of his home. And he played music. He had
a piano that could be played for live music.
But one of his favorites was the song of India.
And the Song of India was a popular tune at the
time. He had a 78 disc that he played on a crank
up Victrola. And he was fascinated by the fact
that he could, with this 50 watt station, be
heard in quite a few locations around the Cincinnati
area by those who actually had receivers. And
he... Realized that there was a future in this
thing that was coming about at that time called
broadcasting so he moved the station from his
living room to the plant where he was building
the the woodworking materials though the Victorian
cabinets and began to build radios for sale,
but also applied for a license and in March of
1922 was granted the call WLW. Crosley increased
the power to 500 watts with a homemade transmitter
that didn't work very well and eventually that
was replaced by a western electric transmitter
and Powell sort of dreamed in 10 dB steps. So
his next step was to move to 5 ,000 watts. And
for the first time in broadcast history, the
transmitter was located away from the studio.
It was located out in Harrison, Ohio. And that
happened in 1925. So Powell believed in good
programming. He hired musicians and talent. and
began building up the station. By the late 20s,
the station was at 5 ,000 watts, and he acquired
a second station, WSAI, which was owned by the
U .S. Playing Card Company. So Powell acquired
the transmitter site out at Mason that WSAI And
he moved WLW out to Mason alongside of WSAI.
And again, thinking in 10 dB steps, he went to
50 ,000 watts in 1928. And at that point, he
needed, since he was heard in many areas far
off from Cincinnati, needed better programming,
so he built a new factory for his radio business
and also his appliance business that he had started.
In that building, he also set up the WLW Studios,
which were magnificent studios for their time,
and again had major improvements in programming.
He was... part of the NBC radio network around
1928. The network was beginning and he added
WLW to the network, but unlike a lot of stations
that only took the network in as a source, he
was originating programming for the network as
well as carrying some of the network programs.
Well again thinking in 10 DB steps in 1932 He
had a new antenna system built for the station
the Blahnach tower that still stands today in
Mason He also Ordered a 500 kilowatt amplifier
From RCA who actually was a program manager for
the project the majority of the of the works
of the transmitter were built by the folks at
Westinghouse and at General Electric and That
transmitter went on the air in in 1934 500 kilowatts
It was the highest power commercial AM station
in the country and by then He was, in essence,
a network all to his own. His talent was there
at the time, was really some of the top people
in the industry. Red Skelton was one of the entertainers.
Derwin Kirby, Red Barber was a sportscaster because
at this point in time, he had acquired the Cincinnati
Reds. So he was quite an entrepreneur. Radio
wasn't his only business. I mentioned appliances
and he got into the business of manufacturing
things like refrigerators. He developed some
very unusual appliances and home devices. He
started a shortwave station, WLWO, focused on
Latin America. He had some products that were
for areas that typically didn't have reliable
electricity. So he, for example, he developed
a thing called the Icy Ball, which was a, looked
like a copper barbell with a handle on it. And
the Icy Ball, you could heat one end of the Icy
Ball, put the other end in an insulated compartment,
like a refrigeration compartment, and it would
keep food cold. It was based on a chemical reaction
with a solution that was similar to ammonia.
Ammonia was one of the chemicals in it, and it
was used for refrigeration, again, in areas where
electricity wasn't prevalent at the time. Was
very very diversified Building radios building
appliances Running a radio network and a broadcasting
operation Owning the Cincinnati Reds With Crosley
Field at the time So he was quite quite an entrepreneur
and all this time in the background was his brother
Lewis who would Sort of hold Powell's feet to
the ground Powell, you know was always running
off to to develop new ideas new things that would
generate money but Lewis was the one who made
sure they made money and They were very successful.
I think we have a break coming up. Yeah, we do
We're just about time for the break and then
we'll take people's calls so let's Let's kind
of fast forward here to to the exhibit if we
can real quickly and And talk a little bit about
this exhibit that's going to open up and that's
going to celebrate all of Crosley's Feats here,
so Paul so Powell really has never been recognized
via a collection or a museum he There are there
are two facilities, one in Sarasota, which was
his home down there, and also the home in suburban
Cincinnati called Pinecroft. But both of those
are now what I would call meeting and social
gathering places for wedding receptions, etc.
But there's really nothing to celebrate all the
successes of Crosley. He did leave a legacy of
buildings throughout Cincinnati and though. one
of them the home of WCET and WVXU, WGUC, the
other the Crosley Y. So we've pulled together
many of the inventions that Powell created. We're
going to have, I mentioned earlier that he was
in the automobile business with a factory over
in Richmond, Indiana, and We have a couple of
cars that will be on exhibit. We have the shelved
or refrigerator, the shelved or the concept of
shelves inside the door. There's a very interesting
story we can tell later on on that one. The IC
ball. He has the thing that was called an extra
back. Powell was a bit follic Lee challenged.
And he thought by putting this helmet on his
head with a vacuum that he might be able to stimulate
growth of hair. So he had several different versions
of this thing called the XRVAC. He had another
very unique device way ahead of its time called
Rideau. Rideau was, think of it as a One way
fax machine receive only fax machine that would
tune in to WLW overnight and would deliver on
a thermo Type paper Thermo fax type paper it
would deliver your newspaper So WLW overnight
broadcast analog data that was the local newspaper
There were two other stations WGN and WOR that
also were equipped and broadcast the Rideau news
that Crosley developed and marketed. So we have
all of those things that are coming together
in this collection will be on display and we'll
be able to tell the story of how Crosley and
the great things that he has done. in the world
of commercial consumer products. But he also
did some very unique things to help the country.
We all know about the VOA, the Voice of America,
the Bethany Station that was built in 19, started
in 1942, was dedicated in 1944, but actually
went on the air in late 43. But there's one other
thing that few people know about and that's called
the proximity fuse. In the early days of World
War Two, many of the artillery shells or the
shells that were fired by the naval ships did
not hit their mark. The average strike was about
one in 10 and it was because the shells got close
but never actually struck the target and therefore
When they exploded, they didn't do too much damage.
What Powell's engineers developed was a, think
of it as a small nose cone that went on the front
end of a projectile. And in that was a battery
powered transmitter and receiver that acted sort
of like radar. And when the shell got close to
a target, particularly, for example, shooting
at aircraft, where you have a moving target to
begin with, and then the shell would just whiz
right on by, the proximity fuse would sense that
it was near an object and fire the shell. So
the success rate on hits went from a mere 10
% to well over 30 % on every shell that was fired.
by the ships. So the proximity fuse was a real
secret. It was invented and built for the naval
department, a Navy department at the factory.
And it's the reason, by the way, that WLW in
1942 was moved out of the factory to 9th and
Elm in downtown Cincinnati to what became Crosley
Square, because The Navy didn't want any of those
singers and banjo players and entertainers hanging
around a factory where top secret work was going
on. So we happened to have a proximity fuse in
the collection. Very nice. Well, we do need to
take a break here but we'll come back. We've
also got some news about some new expanded hours
of the museum and we'll talk about that and we'll
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And we've got so much stuff to talk about with
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that we can't cram it all in in 45 minutes. So
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-NET -HAM -1 is the number. And while we're waiting
on that, we do have some news about some changes
to the hours of the museum. So Gary, why don't
you take that one and tell us about the good
news. Well, Neil, as you probably know, and anyone
that has tried to visit the museum knows, we've
only been open one Saturday a month. And that's
still the situation we're in. But beginning in
October, on October 7th, we do plan to be open
every Saturday and Sunday. And we hope to continue
to do that until next summer. And if we've got
the arms and legs and things are working out,
Hopefully we will be open two or three days during
the week as well. So, you know, I know a lot
of folks have said, geez, we'd like to come see
you, but it's awfully tough to get it scheduled.
So we're trying to make that a little bit easier.
Yeah, that's great news and I know for me it
was hard to make sure that I had that scheduled
in and fortunately with the summers I was able
to do it a few times but that's great news that
will be open every Saturday and Sunday starting
in October. That's great news. Well if you have
a question, give us a call. 812 -638 -4261 is
the telephone number to call. Give us a call
and we can talk about some stuff. We've got the
WC8VOA station that's also been getting some
upgrades. We may talk about that here in a minute.
You know, the Crosley exhibit is going to be
open. That's the new thing. And Jay told us all
about that and how WLW, the big one, came about
and has worked too with building the Voice of
America station there in Mason. So give us a
call, 812 -NET -HAM -1 is the number. Until then,
Gary, why don't you tell us a little bit about
the club station. I know you've got a new repeater
up, you've got some new rigs, you've got a 7300
now and an SDR that you can operate remotely
and all kinds of stuff. So tell us about some
of the upgrades to WCHVOA at the museum. Yeah,
we're very excited, Neil, and I know you've been
there and operated. really different when you're
there. It's kind of like B and DX, you know,
so we're looking for folks to come and operate
this equipment. But one of the things that has
happened over the last year or so, we have had
to reconfigure the antennas to accommodate a
new handicap accessible building entrance and
a parking area. And as a matter of fact, the
event that we're holding is going to be outside
with a tent on the new parking area. But with
the reconfiguration, we now have two tri -banders
and an R7 vertical and a fan dipole for 80, 40
and 17 and a 75 meter dipole, 40 meter dipole,
160 meter dipole, 6 meter beam and 2 meter beam.
So we've got most of the bands covered from HF
up to VHF. and we now have seven operating positions
in the WC8VOA station and the newest one is the
IC7300 that you mentioned and we've got an ALS1306
amp that goes with that and then we've also got
an IC9100 with an ALS600 amp and a TS590S with
a Henry 2K classic amp for you guys that are
into classic tube amps. FT450 digital rig, a
beginner's rig, and then we've got an IC746 Pro,
which we use for CW and VHF and UHF. And then
we do have a couple of vintage rigs. We have
an FT101e that was donated to us by Yezu. It
was the last FT101 to come off of the service
line in California before they shut that down.
So it's really great to hear the audio out of
that rig, too. And we also have a TS520 rig and
some others we're going to rotate through there.
But we also have something that you can kind
of get involved in from home. Andy Crew, NDAD,
or NDAD, I'm sorry, has installed an SDR radio
at VOA. And you can actually access that radio
through the wc8voa .org website get in there
and you can see where to click to get into the
receiver and it's kind of interesting we had
Chris and Jocelyn, ChrisKD8YVJ and JocelynKD8VRX
took part in the Youth DX adventure to Costa
Rica, and they actually used the SDR to monitor
their signals out of Costa Rica to see how propagation
was to the Midwest, so I thought that was a pretty
cool thing to do. And the other thing that we've
got new that's right there at VOA, we've got
a low profile 440 MHz repeater we've put on the
air, and there's quite a bit of information about
that on the website as well. if anyone is interested.
You know, we've had the repeater on 145 .39 for
several years, but this is something we put on
the air to kind of play with some new digital
things. Both of our repeaters are Fusion digital
repeaters, but we haven't done as much as we
thought we would when we got them, so we're trying
to change that. And I don't know, Neil, what
else did you want to hear about? Oh, I think
we hit everything there. and you mentioned the
website wc8voa .org and then you've got voamuseum
.org for the museum for information about that
and over on the VOA site I know you can sign
up for an email list. I'm on that and get some
information from the museum from time to time
and what's happening there. So check that out
and you can try out the the SDR from there and
listen to some stuff from the Voice of America
Museum of Broadcasting. So if you want to call
us, you're just about out of time. So give us
a call. It's 812 -638 -4261. 812 -NET -HAM -1
for the calls. We just have a couple of minutes
remaining. uh... give us a call but uh... didn't
want through those uh... websites in there and
again uh... the big celebration is september
twenty third saturday september twenty third
and uh... that starts uh... at six o 'clock in
the evening so uh... the special event station
will be on during the day leading up to that
and uh... You can You can check all of that out
on the air. So be looking in the spots for WC8VOA
All right. Well, yeah, we're just down to the
last two minutes here. So Anything else Jay that
that you want to throw in there? Sure, there
is one other thing that Gary didn't mention on
the club station and that is that We're looking
at developing a rhombic antenna for the club.
The 24 original antennas that were located out
at the VOA were all rhombics and we are planning
a rhombic antenna that would replicate the type
of antenna structure that the VOA operated with.
This antenna would be northeast southwest pattern.
And there's actually starting, I guess tomorrow,
Gary, tomorrow and Saturday, they're going to
be erecting a test version of the antenna and
doing some some testing and checking out the
effectiveness of the antenna. You still there,
Gary? Yes. I'm sorry, you pretty well covered
it Jay, you know, that is what we're planning
on doing and hopefully after we get a little
more experience with this, we'll be able to put
up a permanent antenna. But we're looking at
it. We're developing a display, but we're also
looking at it as a real good learning activity
for people in the club. And one of the things
I did want to mention, Neil, with these expanded
hours, we're looking for volunteers. We need
people to be docents and people to help us in
the ham station, come in and operate the ham
station and welcome people in. So anybody that's
in the Cincinnati area, Cincinnati Dayton area,
or if you'd like to spend a weekend in Cincinnati
every now and then, we'd love to have you sign
up and you can get information on that on the
voamuseum .org website as well. Yeah, I'm gonna
need some volunteers to take care of that so
That'd be be great. I may have to take you up
on that at some point, too So we'll maybe in
the summer rule. We'll see how that goes. Well
guys, we're out of time again but thanks for
coming on and sharing with us about everything
happening next weekend and All the things that
are being added to the museum It's been a pleasure,
Neil. Thank you, Neil. Yep. Always good to see
you guys and talk with you and appreciate you
coming on the show. So that is a wrap for this
week's edition of HamTalk Live. Again, thanks
to Gary West, K8DEV, and Jay Adrick, K8CJY, and
everybody out there in cyberspace for listening
in. And next Thursday night at 9 p .m. uh...
eastern time scott westerman w nine w s w will
be here to talk about ham radio public relations
and the great lakes ham con up in uh... michigan
so for a list of all of our upcoming guests just
go over to ham talk live dot com so for now this
is neil rap w b nine v p g saying seven three
and seven five and may the good the x be yours
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