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the show. Well, we're trading voicemails here
with Ralph. And so we are going to go to plan
B here for just a moment. And hopefully we can
bring him in on the phone line. But If not, like
I said, we will we will reschedule but let me
pull up a tune from the ham band and We will
Listen to that and Hopefully we'll be back with
with Ralph here. So here's the ham band. Here's
73 is one of my favorites right here on ham talk
live Right back to my secure call, the readability
five and strength nine. You never once mentioned
your weather at all, and I didn't mention mine.
We talked and talked for hours and hours. I completely
forgot you're a ham. I don't know your power
or the height of your tower. Frankly, I don't
give a damn. So 73s, to you and your family,
I'll be seeing you further down the law. 73s,
to you and your family, I'll be seeing you further
down the law. And we have talked about thousands
of things About shoes, about ships, about sealing
wax About cabbages and kings So 73s, to you and
your family I'll be seeing you burning down the
log Yeah 73s, to you and your family I'll be
seeing you burning down the log Alright, well
that's the the ham band and hey we found Ralph
and he got delayed and he's He's not able to
get on Skype here. So we're gonna get him in
on the phone line so bear with us here for just
a moment and we will get Ralph on here and in
fact, I believe We have him right now Ralph Yes,
sir Okay. There we go. No audio check at all.
We're ready to roll. Oh, thank you. We're just,
uh, just, uh, explaining to everybody that, uh,
we're going to get you in on the phone line here.
So, uh, this is, uh, Dr. Ralphie Dorr, KZYR and,
uh, he lives near St. Cloud, Minnesota and has
been licensed since 1962 and his passions have
been DXing, contesting, and especially DXpeditions.
He's been on several trips including the Vasa
Amsterdam Island Malpelo Bhutan Peters one and
Saba Island just to name a few and He's currently
organizing and fundraising the bouvet island
the expedition along with Bob K4 UEE and Your
other team leader was I didn't write it down
Yes, that's right and He's a retired doctor and
radiologist and he's an extra class operator,
operated from 27 different countries and a member
of multiple radio societies on the board of the
International DX Association and elected to the
DX Hall of Fame. So thanks for joining us. Sorry
we had to take you away there, but we finally
got you in here. Well, I'm sorry, Neil. I had
a little computer glitch at the last minute here
and I couldn't get Skype to play nice with me.
So we'll do it this way. I have had many a night
when Skype has not played well with me. So I
totally get that. Well, you've been busy here.
We've had a lot going on for this trip. We're
getting close. So it's been a little over a year
since we talked about this. So I'm sure there's
been a lot happening. between then and now and
been seeing some tweets from the team. So bring
us up to date on what's been happening since
we talked last. Well, since we've talked, we've
maintained a full team. We never blinked there.
Some of the big events that have occurred, we
had a team meeting in Atlanta, Georgia in September.
We packed our sea container, a 40 -foot sea container,
that subsequently went aboard a ship, made its
way down to Panama, went overland and now through
the canal to the west coast of Panama. And currently
that sea container is in San Antonio, Chile,
waiting to make its last leg down to Punta Arenas.
Our team will be arriving in Punta Arenas, Chile
on January 10th or thereabouts. On the 13th,
we will fly across the Drake Passage and meet
our ship and hopefully sail a little bit later
on the 13th, begin our 2 ,700 nautical mile voyage
to Bouvet. And of course, there's been all kinds
of preparations punctuating this little scenario
I've just outlined. I don't think a day goes
by that I don't have a little fire to put out.
And I spend usually multiple hours every day
on this trip. I get up in the morning and never
know what's going to be facing me here. There's
something new to fix or a new fire to put out.
But we have no major problems. We're on schedule.
And, you know, no storm clouds on the horizon.
But in these situations, you never know what
tomorrow's going to bring. But so far, so good,
Neil. Yeah, well, this afternoon and Thursday
afternoons always ham radio club at school and
and we were talking about what we were going
to do today and we got to talking about you know
you being on the show tonight actually and and
so we said well hey let's pull out this video
and we pulled out the Peter one video which is
one of our favorites and we got to see you on
there as well as Bob and a lot of the crew and
We watched the video again and watched the little
drama at the end where you didn't have everybody
off the island yet. So, you know, it's like that
one. You never know what's going to happen. Well,
that's right. And there's always a factor X in
these trips. There's always something unexpected
that, you know, you don't dream that it could
happen, but it always does. And it may be something,
you know, very simple. We've rescued a Russian
ship that was stalled near the Falkland Islands,
South Georgia Island. We've helped C6 sailors.
We've set some wildlife free that were trapped.
And we've had some, you know, difficult things
like the guy getting stranded on Peter I. Always
something pops up. Yeah, hopefully this time
it'll be an unusually good propagation time That
would be not a nice surprise. That would be a
real nice factor X to have But you know something
interesting about this Move a where we're going
and North America during the time of year that
we're going share a common gray line So North
America is going to enjoy some enhanced propagation.
And I think we'll do okay with North America.
It'll be a little more difficult with Japan and
Europe, but North America should do pretty well.
Well, that's good news for us anyway, but sounds
like things are coming together and You've got
a big journey coming up here. So, uh, tell us
a little bit about this FT eight thing, which
is caught wildfire. You've got a way to, uh,
figured out to do some FT eight, uh, from the,
uh, the expedition. We do. And, uh, you know,
I'm a brand new at this FT eight business. So
I've been spending time in my shack, getting
on that move and trying to become familiar with
it. Uh, we're looking at it. not as a primary
mode, but something that we can use when conditions
are very marginal, the bands have not quite opened
up yet, and we're hoping that the increased capabilities
of FTA will allow us to make some QSOs during
those times that we might not otherwise be able
to make. If the bands are open and we can use
the high rate mode, CW sideband, RTTY, we will
do that. But if things are really marginal, we're
going to try FT8 and see if that will get through.
Now, is there anything that people need to know?
Because I know, and I haven't been on FT8 yet.
I must be the one person who hasn't. But I know
it's very structured as far as what data can
go in and be transferred and everything. Is there
something special that they're going to have
to do to make sure that they get through to you?
We've got some instructions on our website. If
you go to the propagation page, you'll find some
instructions on an FDA, our news and updates.
Having accurate timekeeping mechanisms in place
is important because the sequences are 15 seconds
long. And if you get a little bit out of sync,
it's hard to get all the data through. It's not
terribly difficult. There's a few little nuances,
but it's not that difficult, really. The software
is free. If you are on PSK or other digital modes,
you can do FTA. It's not that difficult. Go to
our website, check it out. And if you've got
a neighbor down the street who's doing it, lean
on him a little bit. You'll be on the air shortly.
There we go. And that web address is? www .buvedx
.org. And that's B -O -U -V -E -T for buve. Buvedx
.org. Buvedx, all in one word, dot org. Okay,
so if you're one of those people that are...
going after the FT8 you may get a chance to try
that out once in a while as the band are opening
starting to open up down there. So how's the
fundraising going? Well you know I'm really happy
with the support that we've received from the
DX community. It's just been outstanding. We
have a little ways to go yet. And our big bugaboo
here is the helicopter. They are black holes
as far as money goes. Now we can get everything
we need ashore so far with the money that we've
got. Where we're getting into a little bit of
trouble there is that we'd like to get a little
bit more ashore to have two antennas on every
band, all the amplifiers, all the generators.
And so we're a little bit short. with getting
all the things we'd like to get ashore because
of the cost of the helicopters. We're going to
do this thing and we'll do okay. If we could
raise a little bit more money to finance a few
more helicopter flights, we'd do even better.
So that's kind of where we are. I really can't
say enough about the HAM community. They've just
been outstanding and supporting us. The Japanese
DXers have been amazing with what they've done
for us, so we're real happy about that. Little
ways to go, done great, and all in all happy
about it. Okay, and I know I was trying to remember
in fact this afternoon I was telling my students
about the all the helicopter trips you guys had
to take back and forth Over on Peter the first
so how many trips are you thinking it's going
to take to get all that stuff over there? I am
expecting we're going to need about Probably
about 60 to 70 hours of flying time for the helicopters.
The number of flights is kind of dependent on
wind. If you got a lot of wind, you can't have
bulky cargo slug underneath the helicopter. You
have to break it down a little differently. So
number of flights is a little hard to indicate,
but I'm thinking we're going to be in the 60,
70 hour flying time range. Quite extensive to
get from the boat. over on the island and so
people can help out still and donate and I'm
presuming that's also on the buvadx .org website
to donate, right? Yeah, there's some donate buttons
in a number of places. We didn't hide them so
you can find them quite easily. And the budget
on this one was Is that still in line with what
you know? It's yeah, it's in the range of $750
,000 and that's it is an amazing figure. Um,
the cost all it basically is transportation and
helicopter flights. Uh, our team members have,
uh, have tried to come up with about half of
that. And then we're kind of depending on the
ham community for the other half. And as I say,
we've been very, very encouraged by what the
hams around the world have done for us. Still
got a little ways to go to finance all these
flights, but we're getting there. All right.
Well, that sounds very interesting. And we hope
to hear you from down there and talk to you while
you're down there. Just really looking forward
to adding that into the logbook. So if you want
to give us a call, please do or a tweet or. You
can even get on the chat if you're on Spreaker
in the comment section there But the phone number
is eight one two six three eight four two six
one eight one two net ham one if you have a question
for Ralph give us a call and Jesse a a four o
.m.. Says he hasn't used FTA either, so I'm not
the only one so That's good to know So I'll tell
you Neil about ten days ago. I have never used
it either But there's two things I decided I
need to practice on one was Ft8 and the other
one was 60 meters because I have not been on
60 meters before and since we're gonna do both
of those I thought I have a Polish my skill level
a little bit there. Yeah. Yeah, I finally did
get on the on the JT 65 thing and tried that
out and then Haven't haven't done the Ft8 thing.
So maybe we'll figure that one out Tell us a
little bit more about how you're going to be
interacting with people back here. You've got
a head pilot who we talked to here not long ago
about some other things. And a webmaster and
some things. So tell us about... Ways that people
back here can kind of interact with you and find
out where you're at and what's going on and and
how Propagation is going and that kind of thing
Okay On the way, we hope to have a position spotting
device on the ship so you can kind of Follow
our little dock across the ocean from King George
Island to a bouvet When we're on the island,
we're hoping to have some type of satellite internet
set up so that we can perhaps send some photos.
I'm not sure if we'll have the bandwidth or the
finances to send a lot of photos or videos or
anything like that. But we will have some information
stream coming from the island. Our pilots will
be more of a source for your input rather than
our output. So people will be contacting the
pilots to reporting how they're hearing us or.
How propagation is a little different than we
predicted and so forth to help us in We'll have
emergency contact Equipment available for family
and so forth It's isolated out there so Yeah,
you know, it's not not real easy, but we will
do it and there will be daily information and
frequent log updates coming off the island, which
everybody is interested in. Yeah, I believe the
logo says the most remote location on the planet.
Is that pretty accurate? It is accurate. The
only more remote place on which man has set foot
is the moon. Wow. There you have it, folks. That's
how rare this one is. And you'll have, uh, hopefully
a chance to, um, to get them on the air and you
have, is it 10 days of operation? Is that, is
that right? Uh, we w you know, this is all weather
dependent. Uh, we are going to have 21 days at
the island. Now it may take us a couple of days
to get on the island. We may have some weather,
you know, delays. We may have to hurry up and
get off the island, but we've got 21 days at
the island and hopefully that will give us at
least two weeks on the island transmitting and
being active. Okay, very good. Well, if you have
a question, feel free to give us a call. It's
812 -638 -4261. 812 -NETAM1 is the phone number.
Or you can tweet us. In fact, let me run over
there and see what we've got. Oh, we have something
from... Dr. Scott Wright, KZeroMD. He wants to
know, what is the hardest task? The boat ride,
the antenna assembly out in the cold weather,
or the completion and realization you may never
be back there again? Well, thank you Scott. I
get the question a lot about what's the most
difficult part of a de -expedition. And really,
the hardest thing for me is not what comes before
the de -expedition or doing the de -expedition
itself. It's when I get home and somebody says,
why do you do this? Answering that question,
answering that question is very difficult. But
on the island, I think our biggest challenge
is going to be wind, low clouds. and fog, all
of which affect us as human beings, trying to
deal with this temperature and so forth, and
our flying, the wind is going to be ever present.
And it does wear on you for a for, you know,
for a time. There's lots of challenges. But I
think our team is aware of them, and we're ready
to meet them. Yeah, man, I know that was that
was a lot of the problem that you had on Peter
I and I'm presuming you're expecting this to
be a very similar trip. It will be quite similar.
We're a little bit farther north but the weather
seems to probably be a little worse on Bouvet
than on Peter I. It's kind of in the wind belt.
After watching the the video, I'm just like,
okay, that's gonna be worse. Well And speaking
of video, are you guys planning? the usual video
from from move a Yeah, there will be I'm sure
a number of different media outlets for the public
to enjoy. Video, there will be lots of presentation
at conventions, meetings, and so forth. We'll
try to make ourselves available to the ham public
to share the experience. All right. Well, that's
always fun to watch some of the video and see
some of the wildlife and see some of the challenges
that you guys undergo. when you're on one of
these trips. So we'll look forward to that. And
Scott has another, oh, yeah, go ahead. I'm just
going to say a new benchmark in the post -de
-expedition videos and information is everybody's
bringing a drone to these de -expeditions now
to get nice aerial shots. And we've talked about
that, but we're a little bit afraid that if we
launch a drone, it's going to end up in India
or somewhere. Yeah. Or at least the ocean. Yeah.
Yeah. Those are some, uh, some cool videos, uh,
with those, but, uh, that very well could happen.
Well, you were talking about the antennas and
that's Dr. Scott Wright's second question here.
How will you anchor the 160 meter vertical and
do you think DX Engineering will sell them to
the ham community at some point? I can't answer
the second question. The first question, one
of our problems is that we don't really know
what kind of surface conditions we're going to
encounter. The surface may be a kind of normal
glacier type material where you have a little
bit of loose snow on top and then it gets progressively
more dense as you go deeper and that's probably
the most, the easiest surface situation to deal
with. And we've got anchors specifically designed
for that type of surface. Now, we may find that
the surface is kind of slushy, kind of a snow
cone consistency. That's a little bit more difficult
to deal with. But we've got an anchoring system
that will deal with that type of surface condition.
Or we could have almost solid ice that you have
a hard time putting a normal anchor into. But
we do have a third anchoring system for that
type of surface. So, um, yeah, like I say, we
don't quite know what we're getting into, but
we know the possibilities and we've got an anchoring
system to try and meet, uh, any one of them.
Do you test this stuff out, out up in the Arctic
somewhere? Or how do you, how do you know what
these things are going to do? Um, well, you know,
we've got some experience from Peter one, uh,
and the anchoring, uh, stuff we went through
there. The other is just do a lot of research.
Uh, we've talked to some mountaineering teams.
We've talked to a research team that was on Peter
the first, not Peter the first on Buve, uh, maybe
one or two years ago. I can't remember. Ask them
what they encountered on the surface. Uh, you
know, we've looked at a lot of weather data and
temperature and so forth, trying to anticipate
this. And as far as what to take, you know, you
just kind of use your noodle and technology and,
um, try to figure it out. All I can think of
is, is, you know, you get over there and you're
like, Oh, I need a USB cable. You know, you get
all this stuff over there and then you're like,
Oh. I need a quarter inch to three and a half
millimeter adapter, you know? Yeah, yeah. There's
no radio shack on Bouvier anywhere else now either.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Well, I think there is
one now, but yeah. I want to be a little bit
more specific about Scott's question about how
are you going to anchor the 160 meter vertical?
Very well. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Well, I saw
again, I was just watching that video this afternoon
and you guys were raising up a vertical and a
mast and some stuff and I just saw it bend and
bend and bend and bend. And so hopefully it will
work as well as it ended up. that trip. Well
DX engineering has put a lot of technology and
research into the antennas they built for us.
So I don't think we can we can take better material.
You know mother nature is tough. Yep absolutely.
Well that's some Some interesting stuff so we
were talking about propagation a little bit And
I know you know and and I'm famous for saying
you know for weather Forecast that any forecast
over 48 hours is purely a guess but What's the
propagation forecast looking like we're what?
Less than two months out so What are we looking
at so far? Well, our predictions are all based
on Noah's predictions for February of 2018. We've
got this all laid out on our website. You can
look at videos of propagation moving across the
world on any band from 10 to 80 meters. And shortly
on our website, we will have a widget where you
can type in your call sign and your grid square.
and it will generate a personal propagation forecast
for you band by band, hour by hour. All in all,
again, North America is looking really pretty
good. We may even have some 10 meter openings.
It's not a given, but maybe 12 meters, you know,
maybe a little better. I think 15 on down, we're
going to do pretty well. And we've got some good
common darkness all across North America, which
is important. Oh, yeah. yeah excellent excellent
okay carl kd9 hqt uh wants to know have you seen
any whales that landed on the shore on the island
that caused problems any uh whales like a fish
yes um That would be kind of a beach phenomenon
and we will not be on the beach. The beach is
very hazardous on Bouvet. It's not very deep.
There's ice cliffs in the back and the surf comes
across the beach and bangs into the ice cliffs.
So you don't really want to be there. That's
why we're going up on the glacier with a helicopter.
I am not aware of any whale incidents at Bouvet.
I know there's been some whales grounding themselves
in other parts of the world. Haven't heard about
that at Bouvet. There are going to be some seals,
elephant seals, and penguins on the beaches,
but again, we won't be on the beach to interact
with those critters. Yeah, and I know back on
Peter the First, the edges were just cliffs.
I mean, there was no way in the world they'd
ever get up there. It's going to be pretty much
that way on Bouvet also. Yeah, yeah. Okay, very
good. Well, it sounds like things are coming
together and sounds like the website, BouvetDX,
again, B -O -U -V -E -T -D -X .org has... lot
of information up there always that you can donate
and As you said the widgets coming so you can
get your own personalized propagation forecast
there that's always helpful to have so be sure
to check that out and We'll look forward to to
getting some more information through the website
and some of the tweets and This is an exciting
time it now is Is this the most expensive outing
that's been done so far? Is that right? I know
it's close. Yes, I think it is. Um, this is going
to be a generational de -expedition. Um, we,
you know, we looked at this, it's the number
two most wanted entity. Uh, we thought if we
were going to go there, uh, we should do the
best job that we possibly can. because there
may not be another trip there for a long time.
So we're going to try to make this as big and
inclusive and as comprehensive as we can so that
everybody gets their shot, whether it's an all
-time new one or a new banned country. So we
pulled out all the stops, making it expensive,
making it long for us. It's going to be about
a seven -week trip altogether. And we want to
do it right. Unfortunately, white kind of equates
to dollars in this situation where you have to
use helicopters to get to a good place where
you have a good shot at all, you know, all population
areas. You're not behind a mountain or anything
like that. Um, so this is probably going to be
the most costly de -expedition perhaps ever.
And one of the biggest ever. Right. Well, that's
uh, That's a very major undertaking and so we
appreciate you and your team taking that on.
Do you have one more question here that we can
get in from Troy Simpson W9KVR and he says Jerry
WB9Z is kind of looking out for their school
station W9GRS and said that Bryant KG5HVO is
going to be a youth pilot. So will there be a
focus on making sure some of those youth and
school stations are in the log? We certainly
hope so. You know, that's really important to
us as a ham radio community. to try and involve
young people and get some new people into the
hobby. And Bryant is going to be our youth pilot.
He's going to be working with the other pilots
and he'll have some specific duties to do. Hopefully,
it will spark interest in other people his age
and bring them into the hobby. But yes, we're
very excited about Bryant and Jerry and Val.
just tremendous resources for the the d -expedition
the hobby pilot system and involving other people
so it's going to be good excellent very very
good and i know key nine so you will be looking
for you on there from school as well so hopefully
we'll we'll make all that work well ralph we've
got just a couple of minutes left so i'm just
going to open it up to you if you have any Last
items you need to throw in here, anything that
you want to make sure people know about. Go ahead.
You've got just a couple of minutes. Okay. Well,
as I said, we're going to pull out all the stops
on this one. I think if I had to say what is
our best resource or what is most likely going
to make us successful in this de -expedition,
it's the team. We have got an outstanding group
of people, not just good operators, but good
people, common sense. They watch each other's
backs. They take care of each other. And they're
all dependable, stable people who will not crumble
under stress. So that is a tremendous resource,
a tremendous advantage that we have. And I'm
just really happy to be associated with this
group of people. They'll do a good job from Bouvet.
You can count on it. Very good. did post a picture
of the team members on our social media outlets
and on the promotions for the show so you can
check that out if you would like to see the members
of the team there and we look forward to hearing
from you from Bouvet here in just a couple of
months and thanks so much for taking the time
out tonight to give us a call and let some people
ask some questions about the big trip. Well,
my pleasure, Neil. And I hope we get a lot of
calls of your listeners in our logbook. And we'll
do everything we can to make that possible. Very
good. Well, we look forward to that. And Troy
mentions that at Glenn Raymond School, they're
very excited about this de -expedition. That's
a big hook for students getting into ham radio.
And I couldn't agree more. Thank you so much
for doing that and for adding that youth incentive
in there too. Sure. If there's anything that
we can do with the schools, clubs, youth and
so on, try to let us know. You know, we'll go
out of our way to try to make it happen for the
young people, the schools, the clubs and so forth
that involve youth. Let us know. All right. Very
good. Well, Ralph, that's a wrap for this week's
HamTalk Live. Thanks. again to Dr. Ralph Eador,
KZeroIR, and everyone out there in cyberspace
for listening and for chiming in tonight. We
appreciate you as well. And we'll be back next
Thursday night at 9 p .m. Eastern Time. Dr. Rob
Suggs, KB5EZ, will be here to talk about an event
coming up next year. It'll be all next year.
It's called NASA on the Air. So be sure to tune
in for that. They're going to be launching that
in just a couple of weeks so you can find out
all the information about NASA on the air coming
up next week on HamTalk Live. For a list of all
of our upcoming guests visit HamTalkLive .com
and for now this is Neil Rapp WB9VPG saying 7375
and may the good DX be yours. Thanks for watching!