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Live. It's episode number 91, the Buve Island

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De -Expedition with Ralph Bidor, KZeroIR, recorded

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live on Thursday, November 30th, 2017. I'm your

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host, Neil Rapp, WB9VPG. Thanks for tuning into

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this episode of HamTalk Live. Tonight we had

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scheduled Ralph Fedor K0IR and hopefully we'll

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catch him. We're having some trouble finding

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him right now. So we may have to postpone this

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episode. So we'll give it a couple of minutes

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and see. But we're not able to find Ralph at

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the moment. So hopefully he'll show up. So we'll

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go ahead and talk a little bit. and see if he

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does, and hopefully we'll be able to bring you

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some updates on the Bouvet Island De -Expedition

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tonight. And if not, we'll reschedule it and

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the show. Well, we're trading voicemails here

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with Ralph. And so we are going to go to plan

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B here for just a moment. And hopefully we can

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bring him in on the phone line. But If not, like

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I said, we will we will reschedule but let me

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pull up a tune from the ham band and We will

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Listen to that and Hopefully we'll be back with

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with Ralph here. So here's the ham band. Here's

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73 is one of my favorites right here on ham talk

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live Right back to my secure call, the readability

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five and strength nine. You never once mentioned

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your weather at all, and I didn't mention mine.

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We talked and talked for hours and hours. I completely

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forgot you're a ham. I don't know your power

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or the height of your tower. Frankly, I don't

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give a damn. So 73s, to you and your family,

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I'll be seeing you further down the law. 73s,

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to you and your family, I'll be seeing you further

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down the law. And we have talked about thousands

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of things About shoes, about ships, about sealing

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wax About cabbages and kings So 73s, to you and

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your family I'll be seeing you burning down the

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log Yeah 73s, to you and your family I'll be

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seeing you burning down the log Alright, well

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that's the the ham band and hey we found Ralph

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and he got delayed and he's He's not able to

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get on Skype here. So we're gonna get him in

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on the phone line so bear with us here for just

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a moment and we will get Ralph on here and in

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fact, I believe We have him right now Ralph Yes,

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sir Okay. There we go. No audio check at all.

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We're ready to roll. Oh, thank you. We're just,

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uh, just, uh, explaining to everybody that, uh,

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we're going to get you in on the phone line here.

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So, uh, this is, uh, Dr. Ralphie Dorr, KZYR and,

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uh, he lives near St. Cloud, Minnesota and has

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been licensed since 1962 and his passions have

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been DXing, contesting, and especially DXpeditions.

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He's been on several trips including the Vasa

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Amsterdam Island Malpelo Bhutan Peters one and

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Saba Island just to name a few and He's currently

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organizing and fundraising the bouvet island

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the expedition along with Bob K4 UEE and Your

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other team leader was I didn't write it down

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Yes, that's right and He's a retired doctor and

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radiologist and he's an extra class operator,

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operated from 27 different countries and a member

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of multiple radio societies on the board of the

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International DX Association and elected to the

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DX Hall of Fame. So thanks for joining us. Sorry

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we had to take you away there, but we finally

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got you in here. Well, I'm sorry, Neil. I had

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a little computer glitch at the last minute here

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and I couldn't get Skype to play nice with me.

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So we'll do it this way. I have had many a night

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when Skype has not played well with me. So I

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totally get that. Well, you've been busy here.

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We've had a lot going on for this trip. We're

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getting close. So it's been a little over a year

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since we talked about this. So I'm sure there's

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been a lot happening. between then and now and

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been seeing some tweets from the team. So bring

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us up to date on what's been happening since

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we talked last. Well, since we've talked, we've

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maintained a full team. We never blinked there.

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Some of the big events that have occurred, we

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had a team meeting in Atlanta, Georgia in September.

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We packed our sea container, a 40 -foot sea container,

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that subsequently went aboard a ship, made its

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way down to Panama, went overland and now through

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the canal to the west coast of Panama. And currently

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that sea container is in San Antonio, Chile,

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waiting to make its last leg down to Punta Arenas.

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Our team will be arriving in Punta Arenas, Chile

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on January 10th or thereabouts. On the 13th,

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we will fly across the Drake Passage and meet

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our ship and hopefully sail a little bit later

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on the 13th, begin our 2 ,700 nautical mile voyage

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to Bouvet. And of course, there's been all kinds

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of preparations punctuating this little scenario

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I've just outlined. I don't think a day goes

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by that I don't have a little fire to put out.

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And I spend usually multiple hours every day

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on this trip. I get up in the morning and never

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know what's going to be facing me here. There's

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something new to fix or a new fire to put out.

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But we have no major problems. We're on schedule.

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And, you know, no storm clouds on the horizon.

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But in these situations, you never know what

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tomorrow's going to bring. But so far, so good,

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Neil. Yeah, well, this afternoon and Thursday

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afternoons always ham radio club at school and

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and we were talking about what we were going

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to do today and we got to talking about you know

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you being on the show tonight actually and and

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so we said well hey let's pull out this video

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and we pulled out the Peter one video which is

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one of our favorites and we got to see you on

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there as well as Bob and a lot of the crew and

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We watched the video again and watched the little

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drama at the end where you didn't have everybody

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off the island yet. So, you know, it's like that

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one. You never know what's going to happen. Well,

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that's right. And there's always a factor X in

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these trips. There's always something unexpected

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that, you know, you don't dream that it could

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happen, but it always does. And it may be something,

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you know, very simple. We've rescued a Russian

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ship that was stalled near the Falkland Islands,

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South Georgia Island. We've helped C6 sailors.

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We've set some wildlife free that were trapped.

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And we've had some, you know, difficult things

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like the guy getting stranded on Peter I. Always

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something pops up. Yeah, hopefully this time

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it'll be an unusually good propagation time That

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would be not a nice surprise. That would be a

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real nice factor X to have But you know something

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interesting about this Move a where we're going

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and North America during the time of year that

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we're going share a common gray line So North

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America is going to enjoy some enhanced propagation.

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And I think we'll do okay with North America.

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It'll be a little more difficult with Japan and

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Europe, but North America should do pretty well.

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Well, that's good news for us anyway, but sounds

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like things are coming together and You've got

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a big journey coming up here. So, uh, tell us

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a little bit about this FT eight thing, which

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is caught wildfire. You've got a way to, uh,

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figured out to do some FT eight, uh, from the,

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uh, the expedition. We do. And, uh, you know,

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I'm a brand new at this FT eight business. So

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I've been spending time in my shack, getting

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on that move and trying to become familiar with

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it. Uh, we're looking at it. not as a primary

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mode, but something that we can use when conditions

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are very marginal, the bands have not quite opened

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up yet, and we're hoping that the increased capabilities

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of FTA will allow us to make some QSOs during

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those times that we might not otherwise be able

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to make. If the bands are open and we can use

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the high rate mode, CW sideband, RTTY, we will

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do that. But if things are really marginal, we're

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going to try FT8 and see if that will get through.

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Now, is there anything that people need to know?

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Because I know, and I haven't been on FT8 yet.

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I must be the one person who hasn't. But I know

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it's very structured as far as what data can

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go in and be transferred and everything. Is there

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something special that they're going to have

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to do to make sure that they get through to you?

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We've got some instructions on our website. If

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you go to the propagation page, you'll find some

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instructions on an FDA, our news and updates.

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Having accurate timekeeping mechanisms in place

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is important because the sequences are 15 seconds

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long. And if you get a little bit out of sync,

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it's hard to get all the data through. It's not

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terribly difficult. There's a few little nuances,

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but it's not that difficult, really. The software

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is free. If you are on PSK or other digital modes,

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you can do FTA. It's not that difficult. Go to

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our website, check it out. And if you've got

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a neighbor down the street who's doing it, lean

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on him a little bit. You'll be on the air shortly.

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There we go. And that web address is? www .buvedx

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.org. And that's B -O -U -V -E -T for buve. Buvedx

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.org. Buvedx, all in one word, dot org. Okay,

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so if you're one of those people that are...

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going after the FT8 you may get a chance to try

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that out once in a while as the band are opening

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starting to open up down there. So how's the

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fundraising going? Well you know I'm really happy

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with the support that we've received from the

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DX community. It's just been outstanding. We

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have a little ways to go yet. And our big bugaboo

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here is the helicopter. They are black holes

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as far as money goes. Now we can get everything

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we need ashore so far with the money that we've

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got. Where we're getting into a little bit of

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trouble there is that we'd like to get a little

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bit more ashore to have two antennas on every

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band, all the amplifiers, all the generators.

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And so we're a little bit short. with getting

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all the things we'd like to get ashore because

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of the cost of the helicopters. We're going to

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do this thing and we'll do okay. If we could

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raise a little bit more money to finance a few

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more helicopter flights, we'd do even better.

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So that's kind of where we are. I really can't

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say enough about the HAM community. They've just

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been outstanding and supporting us. The Japanese

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DXers have been amazing with what they've done

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for us, so we're real happy about that. Little

00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:39.900
ways to go, done great, and all in all happy

00:19:39.900 --> 00:19:44.440
about it. Okay, and I know I was trying to remember

00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:46.839
in fact this afternoon I was telling my students

00:19:46.839 --> 00:19:49.559
about the all the helicopter trips you guys had

00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:53.500
to take back and forth Over on Peter the first

00:19:53.500 --> 00:19:56.019
so how many trips are you thinking it's going

00:19:56.019 --> 00:20:01.140
to take to get all that stuff over there? I am

00:20:01.140 --> 00:20:06.000
expecting we're going to need about Probably

00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:12.640
about 60 to 70 hours of flying time for the helicopters.

00:20:13.579 --> 00:20:16.079
The number of flights is kind of dependent on

00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:19.779
wind. If you got a lot of wind, you can't have

00:20:19.779 --> 00:20:22.180
bulky cargo slug underneath the helicopter. You

00:20:22.180 --> 00:20:25.259
have to break it down a little differently. So

00:20:25.259 --> 00:20:28.880
number of flights is a little hard to indicate,

00:20:29.220 --> 00:20:32.299
but I'm thinking we're going to be in the 60,

00:20:32.299 --> 00:20:38.220
70 hour flying time range. Quite extensive to

00:20:38.220 --> 00:20:42.220
get from the boat. over on the island and so

00:20:42.220 --> 00:20:46.700
people can help out still and donate and I'm

00:20:46.700 --> 00:20:52.380
presuming that's also on the buvadx .org website

00:20:52.380 --> 00:20:57.480
to donate, right? Yeah, there's some donate buttons

00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:02.759
in a number of places. We didn't hide them so

00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:06.859
you can find them quite easily. And the budget

00:21:06.859 --> 00:21:10.869
on this one was Is that still in line with what

00:21:10.869 --> 00:21:14.970
you know? It's yeah, it's in the range of $750

00:21:14.970 --> 00:21:19.589
,000 and that's it is an amazing figure. Um,

00:21:19.890 --> 00:21:23.829
the cost all it basically is transportation and

00:21:23.829 --> 00:21:27.210
helicopter flights. Uh, our team members have,

00:21:27.210 --> 00:21:30.470
uh, have tried to come up with about half of

00:21:30.470 --> 00:21:33.329
that. And then we're kind of depending on the

00:21:33.329 --> 00:21:36.720
ham community for the other half. And as I say,

00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:39.339
we've been very, very encouraged by what the

00:21:39.339 --> 00:21:42.160
hams around the world have done for us. Still

00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:44.220
got a little ways to go to finance all these

00:21:44.220 --> 00:21:48.079
flights, but we're getting there. All right.

00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:52.759
Well, that sounds very interesting. And we hope

00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:56.839
to hear you from down there and talk to you while

00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:00.309
you're down there. Just really looking forward

00:22:00.309 --> 00:22:04.569
to adding that into the logbook. So if you want

00:22:04.569 --> 00:22:11.880
to give us a call, please do or a tweet or. You

00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:14.099
can even get on the chat if you're on Spreaker

00:22:14.099 --> 00:22:17.380
in the comment section there But the phone number

00:22:17.380 --> 00:22:20.619
is eight one two six three eight four two six

00:22:20.619 --> 00:22:23.640
one eight one two net ham one if you have a question

00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:28.279
for Ralph give us a call and Jesse a a four o

00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:31.900
.m.. Says he hasn't used FTA either, so I'm not

00:22:31.900 --> 00:22:36.519
the only one so That's good to know So I'll tell

00:22:36.519 --> 00:22:39.720
you Neil about ten days ago. I have never used

00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:42.859
it either But there's two things I decided I

00:22:42.859 --> 00:22:45.900
need to practice on one was Ft8 and the other

00:22:45.900 --> 00:22:48.319
one was 60 meters because I have not been on

00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:51.099
60 meters before and since we're gonna do both

00:22:51.099 --> 00:22:54.220
of those I thought I have a Polish my skill level

00:22:54.220 --> 00:22:57.880
a little bit there. Yeah. Yeah, I finally did

00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:02.779
get on the on the JT 65 thing and tried that

00:23:02.779 --> 00:23:06.680
out and then Haven't haven't done the Ft8 thing.

00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:10.470
So maybe we'll figure that one out Tell us a

00:23:10.470 --> 00:23:15.190
little bit more about how you're going to be

00:23:15.190 --> 00:23:22.769
interacting with people back here. You've got

00:23:22.769 --> 00:23:25.569
a head pilot who we talked to here not long ago

00:23:25.569 --> 00:23:29.690
about some other things. And a webmaster and

00:23:29.690 --> 00:23:34.259
some things. So tell us about... Ways that people

00:23:34.259 --> 00:23:37.420
back here can kind of interact with you and find

00:23:37.420 --> 00:23:40.859
out where you're at and what's going on and and

00:23:40.859 --> 00:23:45.140
how Propagation is going and that kind of thing

00:23:45.140 --> 00:23:50.640
Okay On the way, we hope to have a position spotting

00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:53.400
device on the ship so you can kind of Follow

00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:56.359
our little dock across the ocean from King George

00:23:56.359 --> 00:24:00.240
Island to a bouvet When we're on the island,

00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:05.410
we're hoping to have some type of satellite internet

00:24:05.410 --> 00:24:08.730
set up so that we can perhaps send some photos.

00:24:09.210 --> 00:24:11.210
I'm not sure if we'll have the bandwidth or the

00:24:11.210 --> 00:24:14.609
finances to send a lot of photos or videos or

00:24:14.609 --> 00:24:17.630
anything like that. But we will have some information

00:24:17.630 --> 00:24:21.190
stream coming from the island. Our pilots will

00:24:21.190 --> 00:24:24.589
be more of a source for your input rather than

00:24:24.589 --> 00:24:28.009
our output. So people will be contacting the

00:24:28.009 --> 00:24:30.930
pilots to reporting how they're hearing us or.

00:24:31.150 --> 00:24:34.009
How propagation is a little different than we

00:24:34.009 --> 00:24:38.789
predicted and so forth to help us in We'll have

00:24:38.789 --> 00:24:43.769
emergency contact Equipment available for family

00:24:43.769 --> 00:24:50.329
and so forth It's isolated out there so Yeah,

00:24:50.690 --> 00:24:53.150
you know, it's not not real easy, but we will

00:24:53.150 --> 00:24:56.109
do it and there will be daily information and

00:24:56.109 --> 00:24:59.339
frequent log updates coming off the island, which

00:24:59.339 --> 00:25:03.960
everybody is interested in. Yeah, I believe the

00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:07.539
logo says the most remote location on the planet.

00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:13.259
Is that pretty accurate? It is accurate. The

00:25:13.259 --> 00:25:17.799
only more remote place on which man has set foot

00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:23.759
is the moon. Wow. There you have it, folks. That's

00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:27.940
how rare this one is. And you'll have, uh, hopefully

00:25:27.940 --> 00:25:32.720
a chance to, um, to get them on the air and you

00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:35.440
have, is it 10 days of operation? Is that, is

00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:38.380
that right? Uh, we w you know, this is all weather

00:25:38.380 --> 00:25:42.640
dependent. Uh, we are going to have 21 days at

00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:45.720
the island. Now it may take us a couple of days

00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:47.920
to get on the island. We may have some weather,

00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:51.460
you know, delays. We may have to hurry up and

00:25:51.460 --> 00:25:55.680
get off the island, but we've got 21 days at

00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:57.859
the island and hopefully that will give us at

00:25:57.859 --> 00:26:01.660
least two weeks on the island transmitting and

00:26:01.660 --> 00:26:06.849
being active. Okay, very good. Well, if you have

00:26:06.849 --> 00:26:09.509
a question, feel free to give us a call. It's

00:26:09.509 --> 00:26:15.029
812 -638 -4261. 812 -NETAM1 is the phone number.

00:26:15.430 --> 00:26:18.369
Or you can tweet us. In fact, let me run over

00:26:18.369 --> 00:26:23.269
there and see what we've got. Oh, we have something

00:26:23.269 --> 00:26:28.819
from... Dr. Scott Wright, KZeroMD. He wants to

00:26:28.819 --> 00:26:32.240
know, what is the hardest task? The boat ride,

00:26:32.339 --> 00:26:35.099
the antenna assembly out in the cold weather,

00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:39.599
or the completion and realization you may never

00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:49.559
be back there again? Well, thank you Scott. I

00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:51.599
get the question a lot about what's the most

00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:55.299
difficult part of a de -expedition. And really,

00:26:55.660 --> 00:26:58.579
the hardest thing for me is not what comes before

00:26:58.579 --> 00:27:02.160
the de -expedition or doing the de -expedition

00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:05.539
itself. It's when I get home and somebody says,

00:27:06.059 --> 00:27:09.980
why do you do this? Answering that question,

00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:14.980
answering that question is very difficult. But

00:27:14.980 --> 00:27:17.900
on the island, I think our biggest challenge

00:27:17.900 --> 00:27:22.000
is going to be wind, low clouds. and fog, all

00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:26.180
of which affect us as human beings, trying to

00:27:26.180 --> 00:27:28.519
deal with this temperature and so forth, and

00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:32.059
our flying, the wind is going to be ever present.

00:27:32.059 --> 00:27:35.839
And it does wear on you for a for, you know,

00:27:35.940 --> 00:27:40.460
for a time. There's lots of challenges. But I

00:27:40.460 --> 00:27:43.700
think our team is aware of them, and we're ready

00:27:43.700 --> 00:27:48.380
to meet them. Yeah, man, I know that was that

00:27:48.380 --> 00:27:50.720
was a lot of the problem that you had on Peter

00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:55.220
I and I'm presuming you're expecting this to

00:27:55.220 --> 00:27:59.759
be a very similar trip. It will be quite similar.

00:28:00.140 --> 00:28:04.180
We're a little bit farther north but the weather

00:28:04.180 --> 00:28:08.220
seems to probably be a little worse on Bouvet

00:28:08.220 --> 00:28:12.059
than on Peter I. It's kind of in the wind belt.

00:28:16.069 --> 00:28:19.190
After watching the the video, I'm just like,

00:28:19.190 --> 00:28:23.470
okay, that's gonna be worse. Well And speaking

00:28:23.470 --> 00:28:28.210
of video, are you guys planning? the usual video

00:28:28.210 --> 00:28:33.670
from from move a Yeah, there will be I'm sure

00:28:33.670 --> 00:28:38.150
a number of different media outlets for the public

00:28:38.150 --> 00:28:42.529
to enjoy. Video, there will be lots of presentation

00:28:42.529 --> 00:28:45.710
at conventions, meetings, and so forth. We'll

00:28:45.710 --> 00:28:48.349
try to make ourselves available to the ham public

00:28:48.349 --> 00:28:53.930
to share the experience. All right. Well, that's

00:28:53.930 --> 00:28:56.390
always fun to watch some of the video and see

00:28:56.390 --> 00:29:00.130
some of the wildlife and see some of the challenges

00:29:00.130 --> 00:29:04.500
that you guys undergo. when you're on one of

00:29:04.500 --> 00:29:08.559
these trips. So we'll look forward to that. And

00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:12.319
Scott has another, oh, yeah, go ahead. I'm just

00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:15.640
going to say a new benchmark in the post -de

00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:20.099
-expedition videos and information is everybody's

00:29:20.099 --> 00:29:22.859
bringing a drone to these de -expeditions now

00:29:22.859 --> 00:29:26.039
to get nice aerial shots. And we've talked about

00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:28.160
that, but we're a little bit afraid that if we

00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:30.960
launch a drone, it's going to end up in India

00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:39.960
or somewhere. Yeah. Or at least the ocean. Yeah.

00:29:40.460 --> 00:29:44.420
Yeah. Those are some, uh, some cool videos, uh,

00:29:44.460 --> 00:29:49.579
with those, but, uh, that very well could happen.

00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:53.720
Well, you were talking about the antennas and

00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:57.279
that's Dr. Scott Wright's second question here.

00:29:57.859 --> 00:30:04.019
How will you anchor the 160 meter vertical and

00:30:04.019 --> 00:30:07.640
do you think DX Engineering will sell them to

00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:12.940
the ham community at some point? I can't answer

00:30:12.940 --> 00:30:18.009
the second question. The first question, one

00:30:18.009 --> 00:30:21.349
of our problems is that we don't really know

00:30:21.349 --> 00:30:23.630
what kind of surface conditions we're going to

00:30:23.630 --> 00:30:28.589
encounter. The surface may be a kind of normal

00:30:28.589 --> 00:30:32.450
glacier type material where you have a little

00:30:32.450 --> 00:30:34.890
bit of loose snow on top and then it gets progressively

00:30:34.890 --> 00:30:37.730
more dense as you go deeper and that's probably

00:30:37.730 --> 00:30:41.970
the most, the easiest surface situation to deal

00:30:41.970 --> 00:30:44.890
with. And we've got anchors specifically designed

00:30:44.890 --> 00:30:49.329
for that type of surface. Now, we may find that

00:30:49.329 --> 00:30:53.109
the surface is kind of slushy, kind of a snow

00:30:53.109 --> 00:30:56.210
cone consistency. That's a little bit more difficult

00:30:56.210 --> 00:30:58.869
to deal with. But we've got an anchoring system

00:30:58.869 --> 00:31:01.289
that will deal with that type of surface condition.

00:31:02.049 --> 00:31:07.710
Or we could have almost solid ice that you have

00:31:07.710 --> 00:31:11.809
a hard time putting a normal anchor into. But

00:31:11.809 --> 00:31:14.549
we do have a third anchoring system for that

00:31:14.549 --> 00:31:18.289
type of surface. So, um, yeah, like I say, we

00:31:18.289 --> 00:31:20.730
don't quite know what we're getting into, but

00:31:20.730 --> 00:31:23.630
we know the possibilities and we've got an anchoring

00:31:23.630 --> 00:31:27.690
system to try and meet, uh, any one of them.

00:31:28.150 --> 00:31:31.690
Do you test this stuff out, out up in the Arctic

00:31:31.690 --> 00:31:34.869
somewhere? Or how do you, how do you know what

00:31:34.869 --> 00:31:39.740
these things are going to do? Um, well, you know,

00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:42.680
we've got some experience from Peter one, uh,

00:31:42.700 --> 00:31:45.039
and the anchoring, uh, stuff we went through

00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:48.119
there. The other is just do a lot of research.

00:31:48.140 --> 00:31:50.799
Uh, we've talked to some mountaineering teams.

00:31:51.380 --> 00:31:53.619
We've talked to a research team that was on Peter

00:31:53.619 --> 00:31:57.480
the first, not Peter the first on Buve, uh, maybe

00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:01.400
one or two years ago. I can't remember. Ask them

00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:04.660
what they encountered on the surface. Uh, you

00:32:04.660 --> 00:32:06.579
know, we've looked at a lot of weather data and

00:32:06.579 --> 00:32:08.559
temperature and so forth, trying to anticipate

00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:11.640
this. And as far as what to take, you know, you

00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:14.619
just kind of use your noodle and technology and,

00:32:14.619 --> 00:32:19.079
um, try to figure it out. All I can think of

00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:22.279
is, is, you know, you get over there and you're

00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:28.920
like, Oh, I need a USB cable. You know, you get

00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:32.200
all this stuff over there and then you're like,

00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:38.180
Oh. I need a quarter inch to three and a half

00:32:38.180 --> 00:32:41.640
millimeter adapter, you know? Yeah, yeah. There's

00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:45.859
no radio shack on Bouvier anywhere else now either.

00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:49.339
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Well, I think there is

00:32:49.339 --> 00:32:53.359
one now, but yeah. I want to be a little bit

00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:57.019
more specific about Scott's question about how

00:32:57.019 --> 00:32:59.480
are you going to anchor the 160 meter vertical?

00:33:00.460 --> 00:33:07.869
Very well. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Well, I saw

00:33:07.869 --> 00:33:11.549
again, I was just watching that video this afternoon

00:33:11.549 --> 00:33:17.589
and you guys were raising up a vertical and a

00:33:17.589 --> 00:33:21.430
mast and some stuff and I just saw it bend and

00:33:21.430 --> 00:33:29.650
bend and bend and bend. And so hopefully it will

00:33:29.650 --> 00:33:36.599
work as well as it ended up. that trip. Well

00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:39.200
DX engineering has put a lot of technology and

00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:41.720
research into the antennas they built for us.

00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:45.660
So I don't think we can we can take better material.

00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:52.619
You know mother nature is tough. Yep absolutely.

00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:59.750
Well that's some Some interesting stuff so we

00:33:59.750 --> 00:34:02.950
were talking about propagation a little bit And

00:34:02.950 --> 00:34:05.690
I know you know and and I'm famous for saying

00:34:05.690 --> 00:34:08.869
you know for weather Forecast that any forecast

00:34:08.869 --> 00:34:14.849
over 48 hours is purely a guess but What's the

00:34:14.849 --> 00:34:17.869
propagation forecast looking like we're what?

00:34:19.289 --> 00:34:22.670
Less than two months out so What are we looking

00:34:22.670 --> 00:34:27.980
at so far? Well, our predictions are all based

00:34:27.980 --> 00:34:35.639
on Noah's predictions for February of 2018. We've

00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:37.719
got this all laid out on our website. You can

00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:41.739
look at videos of propagation moving across the

00:34:41.739 --> 00:34:46.000
world on any band from 10 to 80 meters. And shortly

00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:49.559
on our website, we will have a widget where you

00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:52.139
can type in your call sign and your grid square.

00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:55.539
and it will generate a personal propagation forecast

00:34:55.539 --> 00:34:59.579
for you band by band, hour by hour. All in all,

00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:02.000
again, North America is looking really pretty

00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:05.059
good. We may even have some 10 meter openings.

00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:09.480
It's not a given, but maybe 12 meters, you know,

00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:12.500
maybe a little better. I think 15 on down, we're

00:35:12.500 --> 00:35:16.179
going to do pretty well. And we've got some good

00:35:16.179 --> 00:35:19.139
common darkness all across North America, which

00:35:19.139 --> 00:35:24.329
is important. Oh, yeah. yeah excellent excellent

00:35:24.329 --> 00:35:30.409
okay carl kd9 hqt uh wants to know have you seen

00:35:30.409 --> 00:35:33.369
any whales that landed on the shore on the island

00:35:33.369 --> 00:35:43.570
that caused problems any uh whales like a fish

00:35:43.570 --> 00:35:51.500
yes um That would be kind of a beach phenomenon

00:35:51.500 --> 00:35:55.739
and we will not be on the beach. The beach is

00:35:55.739 --> 00:35:58.820
very hazardous on Bouvet. It's not very deep.

00:35:59.139 --> 00:36:01.500
There's ice cliffs in the back and the surf comes

00:36:01.500 --> 00:36:03.880
across the beach and bangs into the ice cliffs.

00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.039
So you don't really want to be there. That's

00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:08.460
why we're going up on the glacier with a helicopter.

00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:15.360
I am not aware of any whale incidents at Bouvet.

00:36:15.909 --> 00:36:18.389
I know there's been some whales grounding themselves

00:36:18.389 --> 00:36:20.789
in other parts of the world. Haven't heard about

00:36:20.789 --> 00:36:25.329
that at Bouvet. There are going to be some seals,

00:36:25.730 --> 00:36:27.710
elephant seals, and penguins on the beaches,

00:36:28.190 --> 00:36:30.409
but again, we won't be on the beach to interact

00:36:30.409 --> 00:36:35.650
with those critters. Yeah, and I know back on

00:36:35.650 --> 00:36:39.750
Peter the First, the edges were just cliffs.

00:36:39.949 --> 00:36:41.750
I mean, there was no way in the world they'd

00:36:41.750 --> 00:36:45.380
ever get up there. It's going to be pretty much

00:36:45.380 --> 00:36:49.760
that way on Bouvet also. Yeah, yeah. Okay, very

00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:53.239
good. Well, it sounds like things are coming

00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:57.280
together and sounds like the website, BouvetDX,

00:36:57.420 --> 00:37:03.300
again, B -O -U -V -E -T -D -X .org has... lot

00:37:03.300 --> 00:37:06.139
of information up there always that you can donate

00:37:06.139 --> 00:37:10.420
and As you said the widgets coming so you can

00:37:10.420 --> 00:37:13.280
get your own personalized propagation forecast

00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:16.900
there that's always helpful to have so be sure

00:37:16.900 --> 00:37:21.599
to check that out and We'll look forward to to

00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:25.920
getting some more information through the website

00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:30.219
and some of the tweets and This is an exciting

00:37:30.219 --> 00:37:34.000
time it now is Is this the most expensive outing

00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:37.139
that's been done so far? Is that right? I know

00:37:37.139 --> 00:37:41.860
it's close. Yes, I think it is. Um, this is going

00:37:41.860 --> 00:37:47.079
to be a generational de -expedition. Um, we,

00:37:47.340 --> 00:37:49.239
you know, we looked at this, it's the number

00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:53.059
two most wanted entity. Uh, we thought if we

00:37:53.059 --> 00:37:55.739
were going to go there, uh, we should do the

00:37:55.739 --> 00:37:59.250
best job that we possibly can. because there

00:37:59.250 --> 00:38:01.550
may not be another trip there for a long time.

00:38:02.010 --> 00:38:05.130
So we're going to try to make this as big and

00:38:05.130 --> 00:38:08.610
inclusive and as comprehensive as we can so that

00:38:08.610 --> 00:38:10.610
everybody gets their shot, whether it's an all

00:38:10.610 --> 00:38:13.610
-time new one or a new banned country. So we

00:38:13.610 --> 00:38:17.489
pulled out all the stops, making it expensive,

00:38:18.170 --> 00:38:21.250
making it long for us. It's going to be about

00:38:21.250 --> 00:38:25.409
a seven -week trip altogether. And we want to

00:38:25.409 --> 00:38:30.300
do it right. Unfortunately, white kind of equates

00:38:30.300 --> 00:38:33.039
to dollars in this situation where you have to

00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:35.380
use helicopters to get to a good place where

00:38:35.380 --> 00:38:39.159
you have a good shot at all, you know, all population

00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:41.360
areas. You're not behind a mountain or anything

00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:45.300
like that. Um, so this is probably going to be

00:38:45.300 --> 00:38:48.480
the most costly de -expedition perhaps ever.

00:38:48.579 --> 00:38:55.039
And one of the biggest ever. Right. Well, that's

00:38:55.039 --> 00:39:00.050
uh, That's a very major undertaking and so we

00:39:00.050 --> 00:39:04.130
appreciate you and your team taking that on.

00:39:04.510 --> 00:39:08.150
Do you have one more question here that we can

00:39:08.150 --> 00:39:14.110
get in from Troy Simpson W9KVR and he says Jerry

00:39:14.110 --> 00:39:21.340
WB9Z is kind of looking out for their school

00:39:21.340 --> 00:39:28.239
station W9GRS and said that Bryant KG5HVO is

00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:33.320
going to be a youth pilot. So will there be a

00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:38.599
focus on making sure some of those youth and

00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:42.579
school stations are in the log? We certainly

00:39:42.579 --> 00:39:45.860
hope so. You know, that's really important to

00:39:45.860 --> 00:39:49.289
us as a ham radio community. to try and involve

00:39:49.289 --> 00:39:51.409
young people and get some new people into the

00:39:51.409 --> 00:39:55.530
hobby. And Bryant is going to be our youth pilot.

00:39:55.889 --> 00:39:58.090
He's going to be working with the other pilots

00:39:58.090 --> 00:40:02.590
and he'll have some specific duties to do. Hopefully,

00:40:03.250 --> 00:40:06.250
it will spark interest in other people his age

00:40:06.250 --> 00:40:10.070
and bring them into the hobby. But yes, we're

00:40:10.070 --> 00:40:14.369
very excited about Bryant and Jerry and Val.

00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:18.320
just tremendous resources for the the d -expedition

00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:21.960
the hobby pilot system and involving other people

00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:26.599
so it's going to be good excellent very very

00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:30.599
good and i know key nine so you will be looking

00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:34.980
for you on there from school as well so hopefully

00:40:34.980 --> 00:40:37.960
we'll we'll make all that work well ralph we've

00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:40.440
got just a couple of minutes left so i'm just

00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:43.809
going to open it up to you if you have any Last

00:40:43.809 --> 00:40:47.530
items you need to throw in here, anything that

00:40:47.530 --> 00:40:52.789
you want to make sure people know about. Go ahead.

00:40:52.889 --> 00:40:57.909
You've got just a couple of minutes. Okay. Well,

00:40:57.949 --> 00:41:01.969
as I said, we're going to pull out all the stops

00:41:01.969 --> 00:41:04.730
on this one. I think if I had to say what is

00:41:04.730 --> 00:41:07.630
our best resource or what is most likely going

00:41:07.630 --> 00:41:10.230
to make us successful in this de -expedition,

00:41:10.769 --> 00:41:13.940
it's the team. We have got an outstanding group

00:41:13.940 --> 00:41:16.940
of people, not just good operators, but good

00:41:16.940 --> 00:41:20.280
people, common sense. They watch each other's

00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:24.619
backs. They take care of each other. And they're

00:41:24.619 --> 00:41:28.219
all dependable, stable people who will not crumble

00:41:28.219 --> 00:41:33.960
under stress. So that is a tremendous resource,

00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:37.000
a tremendous advantage that we have. And I'm

00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.480
just really happy to be associated with this

00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:42.420
group of people. They'll do a good job from Bouvet.

00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:48.219
You can count on it. Very good. did post a picture

00:41:48.219 --> 00:41:52.099
of the team members on our social media outlets

00:41:52.099 --> 00:41:54.199
and on the promotions for the show so you can

00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:57.440
check that out if you would like to see the members

00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:01.099
of the team there and we look forward to hearing

00:42:01.099 --> 00:42:05.179
from you from Bouvet here in just a couple of

00:42:05.179 --> 00:42:08.360
months and thanks so much for taking the time

00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:12.679
out tonight to give us a call and let some people

00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:16.559
ask some questions about the big trip. Well,

00:42:16.900 --> 00:42:20.019
my pleasure, Neil. And I hope we get a lot of

00:42:20.019 --> 00:42:23.880
calls of your listeners in our logbook. And we'll

00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:27.159
do everything we can to make that possible. Very

00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.559
good. Well, we look forward to that. And Troy

00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:34.599
mentions that at Glenn Raymond School, they're

00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:37.920
very excited about this de -expedition. That's

00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.159
a big hook for students getting into ham radio.

00:42:40.219 --> 00:42:44.030
And I couldn't agree more. Thank you so much

00:42:44.030 --> 00:42:48.929
for doing that and for adding that youth incentive

00:42:48.929 --> 00:42:52.889
in there too. Sure. If there's anything that

00:42:52.889 --> 00:42:56.090
we can do with the schools, clubs, youth and

00:42:56.090 --> 00:42:58.909
so on, try to let us know. You know, we'll go

00:42:58.909 --> 00:43:01.849
out of our way to try to make it happen for the

00:43:01.849 --> 00:43:04.110
young people, the schools, the clubs and so forth

00:43:04.110 --> 00:43:07.949
that involve youth. Let us know. All right. Very

00:43:07.949 --> 00:43:12.699
good. Well, Ralph, that's a wrap for this week's

00:43:12.699 --> 00:43:16.539
HamTalk Live. Thanks. again to Dr. Ralph Eador,

00:43:16.659 --> 00:43:19.239
KZeroIR, and everyone out there in cyberspace

00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:22.619
for listening and for chiming in tonight. We

00:43:22.619 --> 00:43:26.679
appreciate you as well. And we'll be back next

00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:30.719
Thursday night at 9 p .m. Eastern Time. Dr. Rob

00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:35.059
Suggs, KB5EZ, will be here to talk about an event

00:43:35.059 --> 00:43:38.039
coming up next year. It'll be all next year.

00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:41.880
It's called NASA on the Air. So be sure to tune

00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:44.179
in for that. They're going to be launching that

00:43:44.179 --> 00:43:47.280
in just a couple of weeks so you can find out

00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:52.179
all the information about NASA on the air coming

00:43:52.179 --> 00:43:56.340
up next week on HamTalk Live. For a list of all

00:43:56.340 --> 00:43:59.460
of our upcoming guests visit HamTalkLive .com

00:43:59.460 --> 00:44:05.179
and for now this is Neil Rapp WB9VPG saying 7375

00:44:05.179 --> 00:44:28.579
and may the good DX be yours. Thanks for watching!
