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talk live. It's episode number 97 The world radio

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sport team championships with Doug k1dg recorded

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live on Thursday January 11th 2018 I'm your host

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Neil rap WB 9 VPG. Thanks for tuning in to this

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episode of ham talk live tonight Doug Grant k1dg

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Doug Grant, K1DG is our guest tonight. He received

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his first ham radio license in 1967 at the age

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of 13. He earned his bachelor's degree in electrical

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engineering from Lowell Technological Institute,

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which is now UMass Lowell. And he has more than

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30 years experience in the semiconductor industry,

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mostly at analog devices where he worked in engineering

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marketing and product line management for analog

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mixed signal RF and wireless products. Doug is

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an avid contester and an instructor at Contest

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University. He's won numerous contests and won

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the first WRTC back in 1990. He's been the Dayton

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Hamvention Contest Forum moderator since 1994.

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And he was the chairman of the last WRTC, which

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was in Boston in 2014. Doug is now an independent

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consultant specializing in semiconductor and

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wireless technologies. And he's nice enough to

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join us tonight to talk WRTC. So Doug, welcome

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to the show. Oh, thanks, Neil. Good to be here.

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Well, tell our listeners about what WRTC is in

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case they don't know and and give us a little

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background of how it got started Sure. Well WRTC

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stands for the world radio sport team championship.

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So let's take that apart radio sport, of course

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is contesting and Contesting has been with us

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for a very long time and ham radio back I once

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heard a guy from the FCC say that the first radio

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contest took place when the third guy got on

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the air, and the other two wanted to see who

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could reach him first. So we've been contesting

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around for a long time. Most hands play in some

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contests. Most people have had some experience

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with field day. And you can see there what's

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kind of going on. Clubs typically try to put

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up a bigger antenna than their rival club, get

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access to a higher location with a clear shot

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in all directions because they know that those

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might give them an advantage and improve their

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score. But that points out the fundamental inequality

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in radio contests. A station with a big antenna

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on a big hilltop will generally have an advantage

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over a guy with small antennas down in the valley.

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So there are ways of sort of tilting the playing

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field in your favor. Some operators, of course,

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even go as far as traveling to rare countries

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and areas with good propagation to make higher

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scores. Well, back in the old Soviet Union in

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the 80s, they developed a series of regional

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and then national competitions where all the

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competitors had identical antennas. They're in

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the same geographic area. And now the only variable

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left was operator skill. And they wanted to demonstrate

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or find out who the best operators were. So a

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group in Seattle, including K7SS, K7LXC, N0AX,

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and some other guys, took that concept to the

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US in 1990, and the WRTC was born. The format

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is two operator teams. all using the same amount

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of power, similar antennas and in the same geographic

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location. It's now evolved to where it's overseen

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by a sanctioning committee consisting of the

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organizers of the past events and they select

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the next host country and they provide guidance

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on the team selection process and rules and so

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forth. And the goal is to hold WRTC every four

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years, making it more or less the Olympics of

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ham radio. There's where the championship part

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comes in. So we've had WRTCs after Seattle. The

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next one was in San Francisco in 1996. The next

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one was in Slovenia in 2000, then Finland in

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2002, Brazil in 2006, Russia in 2010, and in

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the Boston area in 2014. The contest takes place

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concurrently with the IARU HEF Championship event,

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which takes place the second full weekend in

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July every year. All right, well this year it

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is going to be in Germany so fill us in on What's

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going on over in Germany to prepare for this

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and and what to expect this summer? Well, the

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the the German organizers made a very strong

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case to hold the event there for 2018 and So

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they were awarded the hosting rights and we're

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expecting the event to run with classic German

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precision Actually, the organizers have really

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been hard at work for the last three and a half

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years getting things ready. They did a few things

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differently. They've increased the number of

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teams to 63. That's up from the 59 we had in

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Boston, and that'll be the largest field ever.

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So 49 of the teams were selected based on having

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the highest scores in qualifying events over

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the previous two years. The defending champions

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were automatically invited. That makes 50. There

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are three youth teams where both operators have

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to be under 25 years of age. There are five wild

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-car teams selected by the organizers. And then

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there are five sponsored teams, and those are

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groups of operators who provided some major donations

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to the event, as well as being very highly qualified

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operators themselves. The organizers will provide

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each team with the exact same station. It'll

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be a spider beam on a 12 meter pole, wire antennas

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for 40 and 80 meters, a tent, a generator, some

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tables and chairs, and that's pretty much it.

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The operators have to bring their own radios,

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their logging computers, antenna switches, filters,

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anything else they need to operate the contest,

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keyers, headphones, microphones, and so forth.

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The equipment provided by the organizers is entirely

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funded by donations, and they get some advertising

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and some sponsorships from some of the major

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manufacturers and distributors. They're not done

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with their fundraising, by the way, and they're

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still looking for donations. So if anyone wants

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to help them out, you can check out their website

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at wrtc2018 .de for Deutschland. Now the area

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in Germany where the stations will be set up,

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is about halfway between Berlin and Leipzig.

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It's a very flat area, so no team will have an

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advantage or disadvantage due to local terrain.

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So nobody will be up on a hill, and nobody will

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be down in the valley with a hill in front of

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them, so they'll all have pretty flat ground

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around them. And each team will have a referee

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sitting in the tent watching them and listening

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to both stations to make sure they follow the

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rules and play the game fairly. Getting selected

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as a referee was another interesting process.

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They had, I think, a couple of hundred applications

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for referee positions and selected enough to

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fill all the stations from all around the world.

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So that's what the competition's about. In addition

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to the actual competition, over the years, the

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social side of WRTC has evolved really into a

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significant part of the event. The organizers

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usually provide some sightseeing tours of their

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area and lots of free time for the operators

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to get to know each other, which comes about

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usually after many years of talking on the radio.

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Every WRTC I've attended, I've met someone new

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and got a chance to see who was on the other

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end of the microphone or the other end, the other

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key of guys I've talked to for years and years

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and years. In 2014 in Boston, we actually organized

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an additional thing. We organized a thing called

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the Ham Widows Ball, which was partially funded

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by the Asmi Foundation. And that gave the competitors

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and the referees, spouses and significant others

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a chance to meet. And they got to share stories

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about the crazy hams in their lives. They didn't

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let any of the competitors or referees in the

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room. I've only heard rumors of some of the stories

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they talked about, but it was a big hit. And

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I think there'll be a comparable event in Germany

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this year. So, uh, no, um, no trash talking.

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Oh, there's a lot of that, you know, the, uh,

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you know, late nights in the, uh, in the bar

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enjoying a cocktail and, uh, uh, so forth. Uh,

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there's a lot of trash talk, uh, the rides on

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buses to go to the sightseeing venues and so

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forth. There's another opportunity for people

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to, uh, uh, make it clear that they're going

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to win and everyone else is going to be behind

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them. Well, this is the big time competition

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and one of the things that I've been saying over

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and over again the last couple of days since

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I've been doing some news stories on this is

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It's the best of the best. And you've got some

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of the finest contesters in the world participating

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in this thing. And one of the quotes that I loved

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from Bryant KBG5HVO and talking to him, he was

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picked for one of the youth teams, was if you

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look in the dictionary under the word underdog,

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His picture is right there. Yeah, I don't believe

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that for a minute. Some of these young guys are

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so enthusiastic. Uh, they, uh, they're just going

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to come out of the, come out of the gate at full

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blast. And, uh, they might show some of the,

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uh, some of the more experienced teams, a thing

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or two. Well, I was trying to encourage them

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and tell them, you know, Hey, you guys are going

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to have some advantages over this, but, uh, over

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the old guys like us, but, uh, they, they weren't,

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uh, they weren't buying it too much, but they

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were enthused nonetheless. Well, uh, tell us

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about some of these teams that are, that are

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competing. I know we can't talk about all 63

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here, but. But talk about a few of the teams

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that you know are familiar with that will be

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competing and maybe some of the expected front

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runners. Is there like seeding? Well, there's

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no formal seeding to it. There's a lot of informal

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handicapping and rumors and stories swapped around

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the bar. In 2014, the big question was who was

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going to be second and third because everyone

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figured that N6MJ and KL9A were probably going

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to run away with it, which they did. But you

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never know what's going to happen. I think the

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teams that finally did play second and third

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were a little bit of a surprise. The oddsmakers,

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I think, had some of the other teams placed higher.

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There'll be 63 teams, as we said, representing

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or with people from 35 different countries. And

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it's an interesting mix of people ranging from

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Bryant, KG5, HBO at 14. I think the oldest one

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will be like 71 or 72. And of course, everything

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in between. Like most hams, you would expect

00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:10.920
a lot of them to be engineers or working in a

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technical profession of some kind or having progressed

00:17:14.460 --> 00:17:16.539
in their careers up to a management position,

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but not all of them. For example, those guys

00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:26.400
who won in Boston, N6MJ and KL9A, MJ is a pharmacy

00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:29.720
auditor, KL9A is a grocery store manager. So

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it's not like everyone is a hardcore engineer

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and and they're going to use those technical

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skills to win. It's really an interesting cross

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-section of society. Other guys that I think

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will probably do well, you can't count them out,

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the silver medalists from 2014, a team from Slovakia,

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OM3GI and OM3BH, they've qualified again, so

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they'll be there. They may have an advantage

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knowing the propagation from Central Europe better

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than the Americans do. The bronze medalist from

00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:08.759
2014, DJ5MW and DL1IAO will also be there. The

00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:12.500
gold medalist from Russia in 2010, RW1A and RA1A,

00:18:12.500 --> 00:18:15.759
they will be there again. There's one sort of

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a quiet guy who has a very good chance. VE3EJ

00:18:19.980 --> 00:18:24.059
from Canada will be competing again. He's kind

00:18:24.059 --> 00:18:27.839
of a quiet guy, doesn't go out front too much,

00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:31.119
but he won the gold medal in Brazil in 2006 and

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came in fifth in 2014, so he's one we'll all

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have to be watching. The competing teams will

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include three YLs. Two of them, DLA DYL and DL1

00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:45.839
QQ, were teammates in Boston. And it was funny,

00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:49.450
I got a... We had a live scoreboard running and

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my wife called me during the competition from

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one of the tours that she was on and said, hey,

00:18:54.250 --> 00:18:56.970
what's the call sign of the German girls team?

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I want to watch their score and everybody here

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wants to know how they're doing. And so they

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actually did very well. They came in the 21st

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out of the 59 teams, but they're not on the same

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team this year. They're on two different teams.

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So it'll be interesting to see how they do. The

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third YL is actually the daughter of ZL3IO. She's

00:19:21.420 --> 00:19:25.579
a 16 -year -old with the call sign ZL4YL. She's

00:19:25.579 --> 00:19:27.819
also a fine operator. In fact, I just shipped

00:19:27.819 --> 00:19:31.099
her a plaque for the WPXCW contest last year.

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She had the highest score in the rookie category

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and one of the highest scores on the band that

00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:39.059
she operated, so she's a pretty good operator.

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There's another father bringing an offspring,

00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:47.920
VY2ZM, is bringing his son, KK6ZM, to operate

00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:53.480
with him. PY1NX and PY2SEX from Brazil started

00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:57.559
in ham radio together 20 years ago. My operating

00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:00.940
partner, N2NT, and I have operated together off

00:20:00.940 --> 00:20:03.440
and on for about 40 years, and we'll be back

00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:08.400
there in Germany in July. trying to see what

00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:11.140
we can do. We won a bronze medal in Brazil, so

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we're hoping we can get up on the medal stand

00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:17.960
in Germany as well. So it's a mix of veterans,

00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:21.680
some new people who have not been to WRTC before,

00:20:22.660 --> 00:20:24.339
a lot of people that I've met, it'll be good

00:20:24.339 --> 00:20:27.019
to see them again, and a lot of people that I

00:20:27.019 --> 00:20:29.180
haven't met in person. So I'm really looking

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forward to July. Sounds like an excellent time.

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And, um, I'm just wondering, do they have, do

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they have betting lines on that in Vegas? Can

00:20:38.859 --> 00:20:43.900
you, can you say you can bet on anything in Vegas?

00:20:44.299 --> 00:20:47.220
Right. So there was someone who wanted to organize

00:20:47.220 --> 00:20:50.640
something, uh, in the Boston, uh, WRTC. And I

00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:52.099
told them, we really didn't want to hear about

00:20:52.099 --> 00:20:58.299
it. So I don't know anything. Oh my goodness.

00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:03.319
Well, it sounds like a. a really neat time and

00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:06.579
we've got again some of the finest operators

00:21:06.579 --> 00:21:10.140
in the world competing on a level playing field

00:21:10.140 --> 00:21:15.059
and so it should be interesting. Now for those

00:21:15.059 --> 00:21:20.180
who aren't big into contesting or maybe the casual

00:21:20.180 --> 00:21:25.900
contester we'll say, can they start looking for

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teams to work? Oh absolutely and I think the

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Germans will probably do something similar to

00:21:33.569 --> 00:21:38.150
what we did in Boston. We had awards available

00:21:38.150 --> 00:21:42.329
for stations that contacted all the WRTC competing

00:21:42.329 --> 00:21:45.410
stations. They were all clearly identifiable.

00:21:46.190 --> 00:21:49.190
We locked up the one -by -one call signs for

00:21:49.190 --> 00:21:52.250
that event when we had it here. So W1A through

00:21:52.250 --> 00:21:56.430
Z, K1A through Z, and N1A through Z with a few

00:21:56.430 --> 00:22:01.529
dropped out for Since we didn't need all of the

00:22:01.529 --> 00:22:05.150
possible combinations, we were able to get rid

00:22:05.150 --> 00:22:07.690
of some of the more troublesome letters, the

00:22:07.690 --> 00:22:10.329
longer ones on CW and the easily confused ones.

00:22:10.769 --> 00:22:12.769
But we had special call signs that made it easy

00:22:12.769 --> 00:22:16.059
to find the WRTC competitors. And we gave out

00:22:16.059 --> 00:22:19.559
awards for anybody who contacted all of them,

00:22:20.299 --> 00:22:22.319
a special prize for the first station to contact

00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:25.500
all of them. Since you can work the same station

00:22:25.500 --> 00:22:28.839
on multiple bands, we gave out an award for the

00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:31.400
most contacts with the competing stations. So

00:22:31.400 --> 00:22:33.559
I'm sure that they'll have something like that

00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:38.859
organized in this WRTC. So yeah, if you can't

00:22:38.859 --> 00:22:40.559
make it there in person, the next best thing

00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:42.519
is to get on the air and work all these guys.

00:22:43.790 --> 00:22:48.289
girls they they need the contacts and They they'll

00:22:48.289 --> 00:22:51.190
be going real fast and they'll get your call

00:22:51.190 --> 00:22:52.829
sign on the first time through you won't have

00:22:52.829 --> 00:22:56.589
to repeat it and They'll be zipping right along

00:22:56.589 --> 00:23:01.349
All right some good information there about WRC

00:23:01.349 --> 00:23:08.549
WRTC 2018 coming up in July. Well, we'll grow

00:23:08.549 --> 00:23:10.990
kind of come if I can talk we're going to come

00:23:10.990 --> 00:23:15.650
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tweet and we'll take your questions. Now one

00:26:28.309 --> 00:26:31.289
of the things I want to talk about here with

00:26:31.289 --> 00:26:38.670
Doug, we had Jim George on the author of Contact

00:26:38.670 --> 00:26:42.750
Sport It's been a little over a year ago now,

00:26:42.750 --> 00:26:47.410
I guess Which was a book that he wrote based

00:26:47.410 --> 00:26:55.390
on a lot of the the drama of WRTC 2014 and you

00:26:55.390 --> 00:26:59.309
were involved in in helping get that all put

00:26:59.309 --> 00:27:01.730
together. So tell us a little bit about how the

00:27:01.730 --> 00:27:06.230
book, Contact Sport, figured into the competition.

00:27:07.910 --> 00:27:13.950
Well, I had some plans of trying to use the WRTC

00:27:13.950 --> 00:27:19.470
as a way of getting some more publicity into

00:27:19.470 --> 00:27:21.789
the general public and the general population

00:27:21.789 --> 00:27:25.369
about ham radio and specifically about contesting.

00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:31.240
The last coverage that I'm aware of in sort of

00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:36.700
mass media about contesting was from a 1958 article

00:27:36.700 --> 00:27:40.140
in Sports Illustrated called The Battle of the

00:27:40.140 --> 00:27:43.819
Hams. And I was hoping we could get some broad

00:27:43.819 --> 00:27:46.460
market coverage. And while I was thinking about

00:27:46.460 --> 00:27:48.640
that, it was brought to my attention that there's

00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:51.849
a parallel hobby to ham radio. That most people

00:27:51.849 --> 00:27:54.210
don't understand and haven't heard of called

00:27:54.210 --> 00:27:57.329
competitive birding Don't call it birdwatching.

00:27:57.329 --> 00:28:00.170
The birders are very sensitive to that but birding

00:28:00.170 --> 00:28:04.410
and The birders have a competition just like

00:28:04.410 --> 00:28:07.750
ours. They have their WRTC. It's called a big

00:28:07.750 --> 00:28:11.410
year instead of being a 24 -hour contest It's

00:28:11.410 --> 00:28:14.529
a year long and the object of the game is to

00:28:14.529 --> 00:28:17.349
see as many different species of birds as you

00:28:17.349 --> 00:28:21.200
can within the limits of North America Now that

00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:25.440
sounds as arcane a hobby as radio contesting,

00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:28.579
but a guy wrote a book about it and it became

00:28:28.579 --> 00:28:31.700
a best seller and was made into a movie. So I

00:28:31.700 --> 00:28:34.480
figured maybe I could get that guy interested

00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.000
in ham radio contesting. So I sent him an email

00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:40.700
and said, I have your next book, call me. And

00:28:40.700 --> 00:28:43.079
we got to chatting on the phone for a while and

00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:45.420
he had never heard of ham radio at all, much

00:28:45.420 --> 00:28:48.200
less contesting. And he was intrigued. And over

00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:50.460
the course of the next couple of years, I got

00:28:50.460 --> 00:28:52.660
him interested in writing the book and I figured

00:28:52.660 --> 00:28:54.579
this will be great. You know, he had a connection

00:28:54.579 --> 00:28:57.940
with a big publisher. It was going to be wonderful.

00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:04.440
So about a month before WRTC, he called me up

00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:06.599
and said, you know, I'm sorry, I'm going to have

00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:09.680
to drop out. I can't do your book. And the reason

00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:12.619
was that he had been a reporter for the Denver

00:29:12.619 --> 00:29:16.980
Post out in Colorado. And he covered all of the

00:29:16.980 --> 00:29:21.109
legislative stuff that went on to the legalization

00:29:21.109 --> 00:29:24.369
of marijuana in Colorado and his publisher decided

00:29:24.369 --> 00:29:26.410
that would be a better book to write than a book

00:29:26.410 --> 00:29:28.789
about ham radio contesting. So they killed the

00:29:28.789 --> 00:29:32.150
book and he had to drop out. So that left me

00:29:32.150 --> 00:29:35.630
looking for someone to write the book. Now I've

00:29:35.630 --> 00:29:37.769
known Jim George for a very long time and he

00:29:37.769 --> 00:29:41.609
wrote a book called Reunion which touched a lot

00:29:41.609 --> 00:29:46.279
on his growing up and high school years, getting

00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:50.359
into ham radio and his life. And so I called

00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:52.640
him up and said, Jim, I know it's short notice,

00:29:52.779 --> 00:29:55.180
but how would you like to write the WRTC book?

00:29:55.940 --> 00:29:59.299
And he said, when do you need me there? And can

00:29:59.299 --> 00:30:01.339
you make sure I have full access to the teams?

00:30:02.059 --> 00:30:05.660
And I agreed to that immediately. And he showed

00:30:05.660 --> 00:30:08.799
up and he rode around. He went with the German

00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:11.660
team that eventually got the bronze medal. got

00:30:11.660 --> 00:30:15.059
lost driving in the woods of southeastern Massachusetts

00:30:15.059 --> 00:30:19.200
with them, got lost driving back to the hotel,

00:30:19.660 --> 00:30:23.119
but he had a pretty good time as an observer

00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:27.079
and wrote, I thought, a pretty good book of the

00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:30.680
whole event. I think he did capture most of the

00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:35.839
flavor of what went on, and I was very happy

00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:39.920
with the result. He did get it on Amazon and

00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:42.039
in Barnes and Noble. I don't know how many copies

00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.920
he sold, but I'm certainly satisfied with the

00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:47.880
outcome that there was a book about it. We got

00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:50.160
some additional press coverage here and there.

00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:52.259
We got coverage in the Wall Street Journal, which

00:30:52.259 --> 00:31:00.859
was pretty cool. We got coverage on an NPR weekly

00:31:00.859 --> 00:31:03.559
radio show called Only a Game, where they made

00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:06.579
us their feature article. uh, talking about the

00:31:06.579 --> 00:31:09.319
game of ham radio contesting, uh, that's still

00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:11.680
archived. If anybody listening hasn't heard that,

00:31:11.700 --> 00:31:14.000
you should go and find it. It's, uh, it's terrific.

00:31:14.500 --> 00:31:17.200
Um, and, uh, and by the book too, the book was,

00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:20.859
uh, the book was quite good. Yep. And I know

00:31:20.859 --> 00:31:24.099
Jim's been working on the audio version of his

00:31:24.099 --> 00:31:27.700
book, contact sport. And, uh, I believe has that

00:31:27.700 --> 00:31:31.519
finished up now and, uh, Not sure if it's quite

00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:34.859
available yet or just about available, but should

00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:39.819
be very soon if not already and So you can get

00:31:39.819 --> 00:31:44.579
the audio version as well with him reading it

00:31:44.579 --> 00:31:46.859
I have to take credit by the way for the for

00:31:46.859 --> 00:31:50.220
the title of the book We kicked around a lot

00:31:50.220 --> 00:31:52.619
of ideas. I thought contact sport was a clever

00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:55.019
play on both the fact that it's a sport and it's

00:31:55.019 --> 00:31:58.039
about making contacts. We don't really bump into

00:31:58.039 --> 00:31:59.799
each other or hit each other very much. It's

00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:03.599
not that kind of contact sport. We hope. Well,

00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:09.920
we hope. My other choice was dancing with the

00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.960
sky, which I thought was... Also pretty cool

00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.279
and sort of romantic, but he didn't like it very

00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.660
much. So he went with contact sport and I think

00:32:17.660 --> 00:32:21.119
it, I think it worked fine. Yeah, I think it

00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:24.960
did too. Well, that's a, that's a cool story.

00:32:26.299 --> 00:32:30.579
and there was some drama there and so that made

00:32:30.579 --> 00:32:34.720
for a good book and I appreciate Jim coming on

00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:38.319
and talking to us about it on the show before

00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:41.859
and still get some updates from him as to what's

00:32:41.859 --> 00:32:44.539
going on. Well if you have a question you'd like

00:32:44.539 --> 00:32:49.960
to ask about WRTC, give us a call at 812 -638

00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:55.559
-4261. That spells netham1 or you can tweet it.

00:32:55.400 --> 00:33:00.440
or give us a call on Skype. It's HamTalk Live

00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:04.619
on Skype. We have about seven or eight minutes

00:33:04.619 --> 00:33:08.119
here left with Doug, so give us a call at 812

00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:13.740
-638 -4261 and you can get your questions hopefully

00:33:13.740 --> 00:33:19.859
answered from one of the experts of WRTC, Doug

00:33:19.859 --> 00:33:23.970
Grant, K1DG. Why don't we've talked a little

00:33:23.970 --> 00:33:25.910
bit about the youth teams. We talked about Bryant

00:33:25.910 --> 00:33:31.130
a little bit but Mateus was the number one seed

00:33:31.130 --> 00:33:35.369
more or less for the youth teams and then you've

00:33:35.369 --> 00:33:41.609
got some And he's in Chile and then you've got

00:33:41.609 --> 00:33:45.289
some Over in Europe that are going to be competing.

00:33:45.289 --> 00:33:47.690
So tell us a little bit about the youth teams

00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:50.940
Well, I think that's been an important part of

00:33:50.940 --> 00:33:57.960
WRTC for a while back to I guess the the Event

00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:00.819
in Brazil in 2006. I think that was where the

00:34:00.819 --> 00:34:03.680
first youth teams were brought in as an attempt

00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:06.579
to kind of diversify the competitor base from

00:34:06.579 --> 00:34:12.199
just a bunch of Middle -aged guys middle -aged

00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:14.800
engineers and managers that was sort of the perception

00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:18.039
And I think it's been beneficial. Some of these

00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:21.119
guys who've been on previous youth teams have

00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:24.480
made friendships by selecting a teammate from

00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:26.380
another country that they didn't know very well

00:34:26.380 --> 00:34:29.820
and kind of put the station together quickly

00:34:29.820 --> 00:34:34.320
at the event and get going. It's good to see

00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.840
these young guys coming into the sport and getting

00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:42.590
passionate about it. All the guys who... were

00:34:42.590 --> 00:34:44.510
selected for the youth teams this time had very

00:34:44.510 --> 00:34:47.809
good qualifying numbers as well. So these are

00:34:47.809 --> 00:34:50.929
just not selected for the fact that they're kids.

00:34:51.909 --> 00:34:54.369
They had darn good scores to get in as well.

00:34:54.929 --> 00:34:56.789
So I'm looking forward to meeting all these guys

00:34:56.789 --> 00:35:01.170
and seeing them operate. And hopefully they won't

00:35:01.170 --> 00:35:04.570
beat us too badly. One thing that I'm sure that's

00:35:04.570 --> 00:35:06.750
going to come out of it is that they're going

00:35:06.750 --> 00:35:10.090
to make some new friends, not just among the

00:35:10.090 --> 00:35:13.449
competitors and referees and the official folks

00:35:13.449 --> 00:35:17.570
in the WRTC, but one thing that happened in Boston

00:35:17.570 --> 00:35:21.510
was that this happened for all the teams. We

00:35:21.510 --> 00:35:24.949
had an army of volunteers. We had somewhere around

00:35:24.949 --> 00:35:28.389
500 volunteers who built the antennas and put

00:35:28.389 --> 00:35:32.849
them up, who built the stations, got the tents

00:35:32.849 --> 00:35:35.889
up, got the generators going, kept them filled

00:35:35.889 --> 00:35:39.380
with gas. made sure the teams had food to eat

00:35:39.380 --> 00:35:41.960
and any of the creature comforts that they needed.

00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:44.659
And without those volunteers, we wouldn't have

00:35:44.659 --> 00:35:48.260
had an event at all. It would have been the 10

00:35:48.260 --> 00:35:50.420
guys on the organizing committee sitting around

00:35:50.420 --> 00:35:51.980
wondering how the heck we were going to build

00:35:51.980 --> 00:35:54.179
59 stations in a couple of days and then take

00:35:54.179 --> 00:35:56.840
them all down. But these volunteers really made

00:35:56.840 --> 00:36:01.099
it work. And in Germany, they have a similarly

00:36:01.099 --> 00:36:03.199
large group. They still need more volunteers.

00:36:03.670 --> 00:36:06.550
They may even accept volunteers from overseas

00:36:06.550 --> 00:36:09.409
who show up and help out, come a few days early,

00:36:09.570 --> 00:36:12.530
help put some stuff together and install some

00:36:12.530 --> 00:36:16.170
antennas and hang around to make sure that the

00:36:16.170 --> 00:36:19.829
operators are well taken care of. But what happened

00:36:19.829 --> 00:36:21.730
in Boston was that there were some friendships

00:36:21.730 --> 00:36:24.670
that I'm aware of that were formed among the

00:36:24.670 --> 00:36:28.710
local setup teams and the antenna builders and

00:36:28.710 --> 00:36:31.929
the competitors. And these guys are now Facebook

00:36:31.929 --> 00:36:34.090
friends, and they're corresponding all the time,

00:36:34.289 --> 00:36:37.269
sending Christmas cards, and still remaining

00:36:37.269 --> 00:36:41.050
in touch. So I think one part of amateur radio

00:36:41.050 --> 00:36:43.369
is supposed to be about international goodwill.

00:36:43.750 --> 00:36:45.590
I think the youth teams are going to get a very

00:36:45.590 --> 00:36:47.570
heavy dose of that, as well as everybody else,

00:36:48.030 --> 00:36:50.530
by spending a week with some of the best operators

00:36:50.530 --> 00:36:54.030
on the planet and hanging out with all the generous

00:36:54.030 --> 00:36:55.869
volunteers who are giving their time to make

00:36:55.869 --> 00:37:00.250
it all happen and come together. All right, give

00:37:00.250 --> 00:37:05.329
us a call 8 1 2 6 3 8 4 2 6 1 or send us a tweet

00:37:05.329 --> 00:37:09.110
at ham talk live if you have questions about

00:37:09.110 --> 00:37:15.710
WRTC and specifically WRTC 2018 which will be

00:37:15.710 --> 00:37:21.070
coming up in July Let me check the tweets here.

00:37:21.289 --> 00:37:27.239
Okay now We mentioned that you won the first

00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:30.980
competition and that you're going to be competing

00:37:30.980 --> 00:37:40.300
here in July as well. So, do you have any secret

00:37:40.300 --> 00:37:45.860
plans here that you're gonna put in force here?

00:37:46.579 --> 00:37:49.579
Do you have something to deal with sunspots?

00:37:50.660 --> 00:37:53.039
Well, I guess my big secret is that I'm actually

00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:58.159
not trying to win My operating partner is gonna

00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:01.119
hate me for saying this but I really want to

00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:04.019
come in second and the reason for that is back

00:38:04.019 --> 00:38:08.440
in 1990 My operating partner at the time John

00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:11.820
K1 AR and I were fortunate enough to win the

00:38:11.820 --> 00:38:15.099
gold medal and So I have a gold medal hanging

00:38:15.099 --> 00:38:22.039
in the shack in Brazil in 2000 2006 N2NT and

00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:25.619
I took the bronze medal so I've got a bronze

00:38:25.619 --> 00:38:28.480
and I've got a gold but there's this big hole

00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:31.980
where there should be a silver medal so we're

00:38:31.980 --> 00:38:36.380
kind of playing for second and we'll see how

00:38:36.380 --> 00:38:38.539
that works out but you know this the fact is

00:38:38.539 --> 00:38:41.440
there's really no secrets in this game of radio

00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:46.429
sport The success and the skill development comes

00:38:46.429 --> 00:38:48.329
from just putting in the hours and putting in

00:38:48.329 --> 00:38:52.010
the practice and getting on the air a lot. You

00:38:52.010 --> 00:38:54.349
learn techniques even with a small, especially

00:38:54.349 --> 00:38:56.989
with a small station, you learn how to break

00:38:56.989 --> 00:39:00.130
through a pile up on a DX station by shifting

00:39:00.130 --> 00:39:02.710
your frequency a little bit and timing your calls.

00:39:03.070 --> 00:39:06.829
You learn how to do tail -ending on phone. You

00:39:06.829 --> 00:39:09.690
learn which bands are open to major population

00:39:09.690 --> 00:39:12.869
areas at which times. and try to be on the best

00:39:12.869 --> 00:39:16.170
ones at the best time and you develop a sense

00:39:16.170 --> 00:39:18.449
for whether you're on the right band or whether

00:39:18.449 --> 00:39:21.409
you should change bands and there's really no

00:39:21.409 --> 00:39:24.409
secrets to it. I don't have bigger ears or more

00:39:24.409 --> 00:39:27.510
flexible fingers or a better speaking voice than

00:39:27.510 --> 00:39:29.590
any of the other guys who are going to be competing

00:39:29.590 --> 00:39:33.210
and neither do they. It's just what's between

00:39:33.210 --> 00:39:37.010
our ears that is the skills that we've developed

00:39:37.010 --> 00:39:41.909
over many many years of doing this and Hopefully

00:39:41.909 --> 00:39:43.969
that'll make the difference. Obviously we're

00:39:43.969 --> 00:39:45.889
all going to be running 100 watts with identical

00:39:45.889 --> 00:39:48.989
antennas, flat ground, all in the same part of

00:39:48.989 --> 00:39:52.269
Germany. So there's no other advantages available.

00:39:52.510 --> 00:39:55.789
It's just staying awake for 24 hours and alert,

00:39:55.949 --> 00:39:58.170
being on the right pan at the right time and

00:39:58.170 --> 00:40:01.710
making contacts as fast as you can and as efficiently

00:40:01.710 --> 00:40:04.409
as you can without wasting any time. And whoever

00:40:04.409 --> 00:40:06.610
does that with the fewest mistakes is going to

00:40:06.610 --> 00:40:10.630
walk away with the medal. All right, well there

00:40:10.630 --> 00:40:16.250
you heard it there are no secrets here So good

00:40:16.250 --> 00:40:21.110
luck to you and all the other competitors and

00:40:21.110 --> 00:40:24.309
We look forward to hearing more about this as

00:40:24.309 --> 00:40:29.090
time goes on Remind everybody of a few things

00:40:30.269 --> 00:40:34.750
First off, I actually did do an article for the

00:40:34.750 --> 00:40:36.449
National Contest Journal, which will be coming

00:40:36.449 --> 00:40:39.869
up in the next issue about the youth teams. So

00:40:39.869 --> 00:40:43.610
you'll be able to read up on them a little bit

00:40:43.610 --> 00:40:47.389
more. And just also finished some stuff for Newsline

00:40:47.389 --> 00:40:50.329
that's coming out in the morning. So there'll

00:40:50.329 --> 00:40:53.530
be a little bit of WRTC coverage starting there

00:40:53.530 --> 00:40:58.050
and coming up. more as the time gets closer.

00:40:59.190 --> 00:41:02.969
And again, the committee over in Germany are

00:41:02.969 --> 00:41:07.230
still looking for donations and for volunteers.

00:41:07.829 --> 00:41:14.929
And give us that website again. Sure, it's wrtc2018

00:41:14.929 --> 00:41:19.389
.de. And that'll take you right to it. There's

00:41:19.389 --> 00:41:22.010
all sorts of stuff. There's press releases and

00:41:22.380 --> 00:41:24.199
You'll want to bookmark that if you want to get

00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:27.860
on in July and find out what kind of award you

00:41:27.860 --> 00:41:30.500
might be able to qualify for by working all the

00:41:30.500 --> 00:41:32.980
stations. And you'll find out what the call signs

00:41:32.980 --> 00:41:35.099
they'll all be using. You won't know which team

00:41:35.099 --> 00:41:37.860
is which. You'll just know that it's a WRTC team.

00:41:39.019 --> 00:41:42.260
Okay, very good. And again, if you want a good

00:41:42.260 --> 00:41:45.480
read, Jim George, the book is Contact Sport.

00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:48.039
It's available on Amazon as well as some other

00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:52.670
places. So you can check that out from the 2014

00:41:52.670 --> 00:41:59.309
WRTC in Boston. There's also a video in case

00:41:59.309 --> 00:42:02.730
people haven't seen that. If you look for a WRTC

00:42:02.730 --> 00:42:06.250
2014 video, there's a terrific video that was

00:42:06.250 --> 00:42:09.880
done by James Brooks, 9v1 YC. very professionally

00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:12.320
done. It runs almost an hour, but it goes very

00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:14.840
quickly and even my non -ham friends have said

00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:18.739
it's pretty good. So I'd strongly encourage anyone

00:42:18.739 --> 00:42:21.880
listening to take a look at that. It's on Vimeo

00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:23.760
and lots of other places. I think it's on YouTube

00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:28.420
now even. Okay. So look for it on Vimeo and possibly

00:42:28.420 --> 00:42:31.679
YouTube. Okay. Very good. Anything else we need

00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:34.019
to throw in here, Doug? We've got just under

00:42:34.019 --> 00:42:36.489
a minute here. Well, I think that pretty well

00:42:36.489 --> 00:42:40.329
covers it. Looking forward to maybe seeing some

00:42:40.329 --> 00:42:42.929
of you guys at the Dayton Hamvention coming up

00:42:42.929 --> 00:42:46.090
in a few months. I'll be chairing the contest

00:42:46.090 --> 00:42:48.570
forum there. We have some pretty good speakers

00:42:48.570 --> 00:42:51.449
lined up. And of course, we'll see you on the

00:42:51.449 --> 00:42:55.550
air in July from some anonymous call sign in

00:42:55.550 --> 00:42:59.210
Germany. And like I said, hoping to get myself

00:42:59.210 --> 00:43:02.190
a silver medal out of it this time. OK, now you've

00:43:02.190 --> 00:43:05.630
got like 30 seconds. You've got the advantage

00:43:05.630 --> 00:43:08.550
here. Any trash talk you want to do about your,

00:43:08.550 --> 00:43:12.190
you know, your, your skills here? Well, those

00:43:12.190 --> 00:43:16.269
young kids, uh, MJ and KL9A, you know, you know

00:43:16.269 --> 00:43:21.250
what they say? Uh, uh, age, old age and treachery

00:43:21.250 --> 00:43:25.170
trumps, uh, uh, youth and enthusiasm every time.

00:43:25.250 --> 00:43:30.949
So they better watch out. Well, there you have

00:43:30.949 --> 00:43:34.590
it. Thank you, Doug. Uh, that is a wrap. for

00:43:34.590 --> 00:43:37.309
this week's edition of HamTalk Live. Thanks to

00:43:37.309 --> 00:43:41.110
Doug Grant, K1DG, and everyone out there in cyberspace

00:43:41.110 --> 00:43:44.630
for listening tonight and I invite you back next

00:43:44.630 --> 00:43:48.010
Thursday night at 9 p .m. Eastern Time. Jerry

00:43:48.010 --> 00:43:52.809
Buxton, N0JY, the vice president of AMSAT in

00:43:52.809 --> 00:43:55.949
charge of engineering will be here and he's going

00:43:55.949 --> 00:43:59.650
to talk about building satellites and the Fox

00:43:59.650 --> 00:44:03.889
1D launch, so which is coming up here in a couple

00:44:03.889 --> 00:44:07.250
hours, I believe. So we'll be talking about that.

00:44:07.269 --> 00:44:10.070
So for a list of all of our upcoming guests,

00:44:10.110 --> 00:44:13.150
just go to HamTalkLive .com and click on the

00:44:13.150 --> 00:44:16.630
schedule link. So for now, this is Neil Rapp,

00:44:16.809 --> 00:44:21.550
WB9VPG, saying seven three, seven five, and may

00:44:21.550 --> 00:44:55.300
the good DX be yours. Thanks for watching. 73,

00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:58.639
and good luck from HamTalk Live.
