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Live! It's episode number 119. Bouvet Island
Adventures with Ralph K0IR, recorded live on
Thursday, June 14th, 2018. I'm your host, Neil
Rapp, WB9VPG. Thanks for tuning in to this episode
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He's been elected to the DX Hall of Fame. So
Ralph, thanks for coming back to HamTalk Live.
Well, thank you Neil. It's great to be back.
Well, you've been very good about communicating
with us about this DXpedition. as we were anticipating
it and we're all disappointed, but understanding
of what happened and we're glad that you're all
back home. That's the good news. So now that
the dust has settled a little bit from the trip
and you've had some time to kind of reflect on
what's going on, I'm sure you've got a bunch
of stories to tell. So let's talk about what
what happened on the trip a little bit. So again,
remind us just a little bit about Bouvet Island,
where it is and why we were trying so hard to
get there. Okay. All right, Neil. Well, it's
really nice to be back and having made it back
from Bouvet. The island, Bouvet is known as the
most isolated place on earth. It's a 19 square
mile, almost entirely ice covered island. draw
a 2 ,700 nautical mile line southeast from Cape
Horn in South America, draw an 1 ,800 nautical
mile line south -southwest from the Cape of Good
Hope in southern Africa, and a line extending
about 1 ,000 miles north from the north coast
of Antarctica. And where those lines meet, you
will find Bouvet. The island is renowned for
its winds, low clouds, fog and its isolation.
All these things combine to make it the second
most wanted entity by the amateur radio DX community.
It is not a place for the faint of heart Neil.
I was just commenting on that earlier that I
can't even imagine going on that trip. I'm worried
enough as it is like you know going to going
to St. Louis and back. So, oh my. Well, what
was the plan for this de -expedition? Well, Neil,
you know the saying about the best laid plans
of mice and men. 20 of us were to sail from Punta
Arenas, Chile on January 13th aboard the MV Batanzas,
a 236 -foot vessel. and we were going to sail
the 2 ,700 nautical miles to Bouvet, spend 21
days at the island, be on the island and on the
air for 14 to 16 days, get off the island safely,
and sail back to Punta Arenas, Chile. We were
prepared to have up to 14 stations active on
all the modes and be on all the open bands, including
EME. And thanks to folks like Flex Radio Systems,
DX Engineering, and ACOM, we had some of the
best equipment I think ever assembled. Transceivers,
antennas, feed lines, support mast, amplifiers,
hardware and safety equipment. And we were poised
to do the best job possible with the propagation
that was available to us. And that was the plan
going into this. Okay, and then that obviously
didn't go the way we'd planned, so what actually
happened with that? Okay, in a nutshell, and
we can get into some of the details a little
later, but in a nutshell, we departed from Punta
Arenas, Chile on January 19th. That's six days
late. We arrived at Buve on January 31st. We
spent only three and one -half days at the island
We never landed on the island and then we limped
into Cape Town, South Africa arriving there on
February 17th and We experienced all kinds of
difficulty during our time at sea Going to Bouvet
going to Cape Town and then a lot of difficulty
when we were at Bouvet And the worst of this
was Let's see, I think that's kind of an easy
one here. It was the night of February 2nd, and
I came to our cabin, which I shared with Glenn
and Craig. I crawled into my top bunk, which
was a rather difficult feat with the ship rolling
and so forth, but after about 10 days I kind
of managed that technique. But I crawled in bed
about 11 p .m. and just as I went to sleep, I
noticed a slight change in the sound of the engines.
I really didn't think too much of it. I fell
asleep and then at 5 p .m. that night, I and
my cabin mates awoke very suddenly to the smell
of smoke that was filling our room. And of course,
the immediate thought was fire. jumped out of
our bunks, we opened the door to the cabin, and
the hallway outside was full of smoke. The smoke
was so thick that we couldn't see into the lounge
at the rear end of the hall. So other people
were waking up at the same time. There was a
lot of people shouting and calling to everyone.
We quickly put on all the warm clothes we could
find. Shoes, parkas, life jackets, whatever was
there and available. And then, as I said, put
life jackets on over all of this. And then with
the rest of the team, we made our way up a stairway
onto the main deck to a mustering point. We counted
noses and all 20 of us were there. It was a cold,
it was windy, and it was a very dark night. And
I'm sure these thoughts were flashing through
everyone's minds up there. And that is, how is
this going to end? You know, are we going to
die in a millisecond when the 3 ,000 gallons
of jet fuel that's 10 feet away from us explodes
from the heat of a fire? Are we going to die
in a few moments if we have to jump into these
icy waters with what we have on? Is it going
to be hypothermia in one of the ship's life rafts?
Probably dressed as we were in conditions as
they were, we would last 24 to 48 hours in that
situation. Or... Would we die from dehydration
inside the ship's 60 -passenger lifeboat, which
contained no water, no fuel, no food, or any
other provisions? Now, luckily, this was not
a fire, but it was an overheated coupling in
the ship's starboard engine's drivetrain. What
I think happened is that an engine mount was
not sufficiently tightened, The engine moved
in the rough seas that we experienced that night
and the drive train went out of alignment and
the coupling overheated. This left us with one
functional engine and this ultimately was the
reason for boarding the mission. An issue of
real concern, I think, is that during this whole
ordeal, none of the ship's smoke alarms went
off, none of the fire alarms sounded. And it
was just our sense of smell that alerted us to
this danger. I think that's the worst one, Neil.
I would hope that's the worst because I wouldn't
want to wish anything worse than that. That sounds
extremely frightening. So again we say, we're
glad you're all home. Well, me too. You know,
we looked the Grim Reaper in the eye that night.
Oh my goodness. Well, what were some of the conditions
out in the seas? You know, before this all happened,
you were riding some pretty rough waves. Yeah,
that was a fairly rough night. The winds, I think,
were probably peaking around 60 knots, which
is about 70 miles an hour. And the seas, as a
result, you know, were churning and they were
rough. And this was all exacerbated by a ship
with a narrow beam and an apparent lack of ballast,
yielding rolls of over 30 degrees in each direction.
So that gives you a 60 degree excursion. and
my estimated period of the whole rotation or
rolling sequence was probably about 15 to 20
seconds. So we were moving a lot and we're moving
fast. But again, this is not an unexpected event
at Bouvet. We selected our shelters and we designed
our antenna masts to withstand 125 mile an hour
winds. So this was not something abnormal or
unexpected. It is just the way buve is Now things
like that you'd really have No control over and
and you know, let's just like you said that's
the way it is But you know some of the things
with the ship and that kind of thing maybe there
were some some issues so Can you identify some
of those factors that led to having to bail out
on the expedition for now? Well, I think it's
the entire transportation leg of the project,
Neil. The multiple problems with the ship, the
delays, There was a cancellation of a charter
before us because the ship wasn't ready. There
were a number of discoveries that made the vessel
seem non -seaworthy. There were safety issues
like the fire alarms and smoke alarms that I
mentioned. It seemed to me that there was an
inadequate preparation and information basis
among the crew. There seemed to be a lack of
planning for executing the protocols for helicopter
operations. Their assessment of the surface of
Bouvet did not meet with what we had learned
about the island. They seemed to be more naive
about it than I had hoped they would be. Comprehension
of the weather and the sea conditions at Bouvet
did not seem to be there. They were surprised
about conditions. We were not. We got what we
expected. And like I say, it was just an overall
inability to deal with what is normal at Bouvet.
But no matter what the issues were with the ship
or with the crew, it ultimately comes down to
Were there errors made in human judgment and
decisions relating to our use of that ship? So
this really isn't about bad weather. It's not
really about bad seas or an indomitable island.
It all comes back, I think, to the result of
human errors in decision making and judgment.
Okay. Well, I know this was disappointing for
all of us, but especially for, you know, the
20 of you who were going on that journey and
spent all that time invested in going. What do
you feel like was personally the most disappointing
thing in having to call it off? I can probably
come up with a couple of things, Neil. First
of all, having this fall apart after Years of
planning and months of doing things like web
work equipment acquisition fundraising building
support for the project was Discouraging let
me use that word. I do regret that our Sponsors,
you know who were very generous and supportive
had to share this disappointment with us. They
they really deserve better another thing that
I was very discouraged about was that on the
day of our departure, we had extremely good weather.
It was a forced departure. We had to leave because
of the ship problems. The island was crystal
clear. We had what a pilot would call ceiling
and visibility unlimited. You probably get two
or three days like that a year at Bouvet, and
we got one. and we couldn't take advantage of
it. So that was disappointing. And the other
thing for me was that when you look back at the
history of landings that have occurred at Bouvet
in the last 40 years, I can't really find any
other expedition that went to Bouvet with the
intent of landing and failing to land on the
island. Now they had to wait for weather windows,
you know, as we did. But in 40 years, it looks
like we may be the only one that failed to land
when we intended to. And that's telling and discouraging.
Yeah, it sure is. And I know it's a disappointment
for the whole crew. Did you feel like you were
overburdened or compromised with all the equipment
you had to take to try to pull this off? We had
a lot of stuff, Neil. We had a 40 -foot sea container
full of things, which was ultimately broken down
into two 20 -foot containers to fit aboard the
ship. I think, in a way, this is a moot point
and an irrelevant point, since none of what we
brought made it ashore. If we had only brought
a team toothbrush, it wouldn't have gotten ashore.
Secondly, I think our plans were to stage our
equipment coming ashore so that what was ashore
could always support the people that were on
shore. The number of people ashore should never
exceed what the infrastructure that we had there
could support. Considering the rarity of Bouvet,
the resources that we tapped, the money that
we spent, and the time involved, it's almost
unthinkable to do this in a minimalist way. We
had a lot of stuff, but I feel that you start
from a position of strength and as many resources
as you can, and then you build to be the best
you can. You don't start with a minimalist approach
and a position of weakness because it traps you
and puts you in a corner. For example, you need
an amplifier to be heard, but you didn't bring
one, or you need 10 stations to cover what propagation
you have, and you brought four. You need a gain
and directional antenna to maximize your effectiveness,
but you have a vertical over poor ground. Bouvet
is not a get by with as little as you can kind
of place. I think you need to do the best that
you can and not the least that you can get by
with. You don't get many shots at a place like
Bouvet, so I think the DX community deserves
that you give it your best shot with all you've
got when you get there. I would agree. Well,
what's left? The story hasn't quite ended yet.
What's left to be done and what's the plan going
forward from here? The last shoe to fall here,
I guess, is getting our seat container with all
our gear and equipment back to the U .S. It's
currently in Chile. and we're working to get
it back and moving to the U .S. It's been a slow
process and it's been somewhat of a frustrating
process for N4GRN who's been working really hard
to get this container moving. Then when we have
the container back and we know what the expenses
involved in getting it back are, we can balance
our books and then we'll zero everything out.
by refunding money to our donors on a pro rata
basis. It's gonna take a lot of work to do this
but we have to do it. I think our donors should
not say keep it for the next one because we have
no idea what that next one will look like or
even if there will be a next one. We also need
to get our equipment back to our sponsors. They're
anxious to have that back and they deserve to
get it back. Again, this is all going to take
some time, but we are moving on it. We're moving
as fast as the customs and immigration people
in Chile will let us move. Very good. Well, there
was an invitation from another group that had
postponed their plans to try to go to Mube. And
they invited your team to go. So tell us about
that and the decisions that were made by the
team members so far. Okay. First of all, this
is or was a personal decision for each individual.
There should not be any corporate coercion or
demand that the invitation not be accepted or
be accepted or whatever. It's a personal decision
for each team member. Dom, 3Z9DX, is leading
the attempt we're talking about. I spoke with
Dom on the phone about a month ago and we've
had a few email exchanges since that time. He
presents himself as a sincere and conscientious
person with a plan. And our team member responses
to date have been to decline the invitation,
and the reasons given generally go something
like this. The time commitment for two long de
-expeditions so close together is just impossible
for a lot of people. Some of the team members
simply don't want to go back to Bouvet again.
It was not a place to their liking. And I can't
blame them. Also, the total cost of two projects,
again, close together, is just a very difficult
financial situation for just about all of us.
Some of the team members are concerned about
the proposed beach landing. They're uncomfortable
with that. And I think lastly, because any extreme
de -expedition like this necessitates understanding
among team members. It demands cohesiveness,
complementary skills, easy communication between
team members, reliability, knowing you can depend
on people, a lot of tolerance, and of course
a lot of trust between team members. And some,
as a result, are reluctant to travel with individuals
that they don't know well or they have never
worked with before. Again, Bouvet, is a very
demanding place and you don't want to take any
chances there. But again, this participation,
it's a personal decision and up to each one of
our individual team members. Okay, very good.
Well, we need to take a break here, but any last
thoughts here before we do that and see if we
have some calls? Okay. First of all, I guess
I would tell our audience that we're not heroes
and we're not victims of nature's wrath here
We're not like the expeditioners who go to a
quiet Pacific Island and are hit by an unexpected
Typhoon and have to go to great lengths to survive
and those are those are the heroes, okay? We
on the other hand knew exactly what we were getting
into It was a selection of the ship that seemed
to seal our fate here And what I think we need
to do as team members is have the courage to
identify and admit our mistakes. We need the
strength to correct them. And then we need the
intellect not to make them again. Sounds very,
very reasonable. Well, we're going to take a
break. We'll come back with Ralph and we'll give
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Tonight for Ralph k0i are now we talked a little
bit about the other Group that that is going
and that so far everybody on the team is declined
to To try to turn around and do that other trip
or the other attempt Have you been able to help
that team in any other way with some information
gathering or anything that you could do while
you were waiting on the boat for the weather
to clear out and then unfortunately couldn't?
You know I think they are in possession of basically
the same information that we had when we went
there. They, as well as we, can study weather
charts and weather history and so forth. It's
all readily available. I have talked to Dom about
my reservations about a beach landing. He seems
to have confidence that this is doable and it's
his decision, his choice. We're certainly willing
to offer any information or answer any questions
that they have. Okay, very good. 812 -638 -4261
is the phone number. If you have something to
add to the conversation, please give us a call
or send us a tweet. You talked a little bit about
saving the money for later. Do you have any kind
of idea of what... The expeditions you might
do the same, you know, are you gonna try this
one again? Are you gonna try somewhere else?
That's maybe not quite quite as difficult. What
are your thoughts so far? You know, I would I
would like to go back to buffet the problem I
have is time The amount of money that it takes
and the amount of work that is involved It's
like having a full -time job and having to put
in overtime as you go through the organization
of an expedition like this. I just don't know
if I could do that again, Neil. I would really
like to, but I don't know if I can get a kitchen
pass to do this. or if I can find the resources
to do it. Would I like to do something a little
different and more relaxing? Yeah, I'd enjoy
that a great deal. Do I have any idea of what
that might be? No, I don't. Okay, well we do
have a question that came in here, so let's take
a look at that from Dr. Scott Wright, KZeroMD.
He says that he heard from team members that
a tugboat was never on the way despite some ham
news sources saying that it was. What what happened
with that? The team said that one was coming
or was it practical for it for that to even happen
when you're 1 ,500 miles out? It was announced
or discussed by a crew member that a tugboat
was on the way Did this seem like a practical
thing? No because as you said we were probably
a thousand miles from the Cape of Good Hope.
And to send a tugboat a thousand miles out just
did not seem like a feasible situation to me.
And since that tug never materialized until we
got into the Cape Town Harbor area, I don't think
one was ever on the way and I don't know where
that information came from. those rumors, you
know, they come up from time to time and and
so Sometimes that happens 812 638 4261 if you
have a question or comment for Ralph k0i are
just joining us tonight from the Bouvet Island
the expedition team and We have a little bit
of time left, so if you'd like to chime in, please
do. I'm going to ask something that may get a
little personal here, but the fear of trying
to go back. You say you'd like to go back if
you had the resources. The fear, is it there?
Let's substitute the word respect in place of
fear. Respect, okay. I have a great deal of respect
for Bouvet, the challenges that it presents,
but I think if you have respect for those challenges,
you understand them and you use your time and
your energy wisely. You can do this safely. fast
decisions, it's knee -jerk reactions, it's emotion
getting in the way of your brain that causes
trouble. But I think it's possible to do bouvet
and do it safely. But what we need to do is to
change the thinking that created all these problems
in the first place. We need to think differently
about this and it can be done. Okay, very good.
812 -638 -4261 if you have a question or tweet
us at hamtalklive We'll check the the tweets
here again. See if we We have anything else that
we should address here before we go When when
you were heading back on on one engine Was there
a time when that one engine ended up failing?
There is a time when we were on zero engines,
Neil. Shortly after we left Bouvet, and as I
say, there was a failure in a flexible coupling
in the drive train of one of the engines. Mysteriously,
a spare coupling appeared sometime after we had
left. and that was installed to put us back on
two engines to get back to Cape Town maybe a
little bit faster. However, they had to shut
down, apparently they had to shut down both engines
to make this change, so we had no forward propulsion
there for a period of time, which of course is,
you can't control the ship, you know, it turns
sideways into the waves and it rolls and tosses
and so forth and causes all kinds of nausea and
vomiting and things like that. So yeah, there
was a period of time where we had no engines.
Maybe it was a couple of hours, maybe a little
bit more. But immediately after that second coupling
got put in place, it failed also, which resulted
in another, you know, excursion to the muster
point on the main deck while the smoke cleared
from the cabins once again. So we did this twice.
We're getting pretty good at that. But yeah,
that was it. And then after the second... coupling
failed and we were on one engine. They used that
engine very conservatively, so our forward speed
was like between two and four knots. We were
not off to the races going back to Cape Town.
Okay, very good. Well, again, we're glad you're
home. We're glad that everybody lived through
it and everybody is mostly unscathed. you know,
everything turned out okay and we hope that the
equipment can get back soon and you can kind
of finally put all this behind you and move forward.
Sure. I would just like to say one thing about
the team members, Neil. Outstanding group of
people, level -headed, slow to anger. They thought
things through, you know, nobody got overly emotional
or excited. I remember that night out on the
deck that we talked about seeing a few arms going
across the shoulders of teammates to kind of
say, hey, you know, we're together in all this
and I've got your back. So we had an outstanding
group of men and my hat off to them. As mine.
I'm amazed at the courage and the work that the
entire team has put into this attempt. As much
as you don't like it, sometime, somewhere, these
are going to fail. I admire all the efforts that
were put into making this one. potentially possible.
Well thank you very much Neil. I appreciate your
comments and hopefully there will be an occasion
when Bouvet does get on the air. Yeah I hope
so and I hope that if you want to go back that
you're able to do so. I think I'll have you talk
to my wife, Neil. Okay, I'll talk to her and
I'll stay here. I will take my de -expedition
to Cape Canaveral or something. Maybe that would
work. Okay, sounds good. Alright, well thanks
so much Ralph for coming on the show and taking
the question and we're going to give away this
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