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Good evening, everyone. It's ham talk live episode
number 133 the Baker Island D expedition wrap
-up recorded live on Thursday, September 20th
2018 I'm your host Neil rap WB nine VPG. Thanks
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Well, Don Greenbaum is back with us tonight in
1DG. He was licensed in 1962 and has operated
from several remote locations and has been the
pilot webmaster and QSL manager. for several
DXpeditions. He's a member of ARRL, DDXA, and
YCCC, and he's the treasurer of NCDXF and one
of the founders of CW Ops. And Don resides in
Duxbury, Massachusetts and is a 2006 inductee
into the CQDX Hall of Fame. And he's back and
a whole lot cooler than he was the last time
I talked to him. So Don, welcome back. Thanks,
Neil. It's always fun being here. Well, you're
back home now and like I said, much cooler because
it was a hot one. The logs are done. You were
on the show by sat phone here from the island
live and you were just getting started on all
the operations on the island and congratulations
to you and the team. on enduring the heat and
enduring everything and I saw my confirmation
on Logbook of the World pretty soon after it
was over and I just got some QSL cards for here
and for school here not long ago. So tell us
how all those QSL requests are going from the
trip. Okay, well first I noticed this morning
that it's 50 degrees cooler here. this morning
than it was when we talked on Baker. So we've
had about 4 ,000 people request cards on OQRS
and ViaDirect. The cards came out. We got them
from the printer about two weeks ago. They're
being processed about 100 a day. There's about
1 ,700 Cards that have gone out in the mail,
so we're about halfway through the backlog Lotw
for everybody who donated we uploaded those the
day I got home from Fiji and to date we've uploaded
29 ,000 QSOS Because everybody that orders an
OQRS QSL. I also upload those QSOS So we have
about 29 ,000 of our 69 ,000 or roughly 40 %
have gone up to LOTW. That's why you saw yours.
And congratulations on your new one. Yeah, it
was. It was an all time new one. And, and boy,
I didn't think I was going to get it because
every time I listened, I could hear absolutely
nothing. And decided to give this FT8 thing a
try and The first night it didn't work but the
second night it finally did so we're going to
talk about that in just a little bit, but sounds
like you're making some headway on the on the
QSL front now there are some good -looking cards
and I'm sure people will be anxiously awaiting
those Yeah, people like those four -sided cards
Yeah, yeah, they are they are really really nice
So I was glad to to see those in the mailbox
the other day Well, tell us a little bit about
the journey over there You know, I fortunately
it was rather uneventful, but you had a cool
pass by that I know you want to talk about and
some of the adventures of getting there and back.
So tell us a little bit about the trip. Okay,
well because we were going into a nature reserve,
Fish and Wildlife said we had to have our boat
inspected at a US port. The nearest one, nearest
being 1 ,100 nautical miles, was American Samoa.
And if you draw a map between American Samoa
and Baker Island, you pass several other DXCC
countries, but more importantly, you pass right
by something called Nicomororo Island, which
is part of Kiribati. And that is where most people
now believe Amelia Earhart landed. When we were
planning our trip, the boats called the Naya
and Rob Barrell, the captain, has been searching
with a group called Tigger for Amelia Earhart
for close to 20 years. And they've been to all
these islands. That's what made our voyage so
uneventful, because they've been in this area
many times. It's a ship that's been out at sea.
I think 15 years now, so quite experienced, quite
capable. And so a couple of days out on this
six -day voyage, we were literally within hundreds
of feet of Nicomoror. And the captain was hoping
we could stop and dive. But when he asked Kiribati
for permission because we were entering their
waters, of course They said yeah, that's great
Come by and pick us up because we want to be
there if you find anything and of course that
would have delayed us from reaching Baker by
days and days so but they pointed out to us where
they think the airplane lies off the beach and
that was really neat we Got to Baker as you said
without any issues, 10 days at Baker, 69 ,000
QSOs, extreme heat. We hightailed it out of there
because of an approaching storm which made the
seas a little rough going back to Fiji. And the
return to Fiji was another 1 ,300 nautical miles.
So the NIA tooled around with us 2 ,400 nautical
miles. Nobody got injured getting on and off
over the reef. We didn't lose any gear. None
of the radios failed. The thing I'll always remember
about the voyage were the sunsets, the amazing
colors in the sky. Every evening, and we had
fairly clear sailing, so we had a beautiful sunset
every night. Fijian's are very musical. So every
night somebody was playing the banjo or guitar
and singing it. It was quite a nice trip. Uh,
and we made lots of cues, which is always fun
on at the expedition. Well, that's what you want
to hear. You don't want the drama and it sounds
like this one was pretty drama free. And I'm
sure you're, you're very, very happy about that.
So let's talk about those cues You know early
on I know just kind of watching the the social
media and watching some of the posts and things
there was some disappointment with band conditions
and Seemed like you guys were on FTA a whole
lot more than we were expecting, and you were
able to compensate for some of those band conditions
with that. So tell us how FT -8 changed this
expedition and maybe future de -expeditions and
why you ended up using it so much. Okay, well,
we had eight stations. FT -8 was used on two
of them, so... It was a quarter, digital was
a quarter of our available radios. And interestingly
enough, FT8 was 24 % of our cues. But the bottom
line is, CW was 40 % of our cues. Sideband was
about 27. So, FT8 didn't detract, it added. I'm
a firm believer that if we did not use FTA, we
would have made about 10 ,000 to 12 ,000 less
QSOs. We hadn't planned it to be that way. We
were planning a lot more RIDI, but FTA is a digital
mode, and FTA excels for weak signals, and we
went at the bottom of the cycle. It took us three
years to get licensed, permitted to go. By the
time we got the permit with the window they gave
us, it was go at the bottom of the cycle. We
made 1 ,700 queues on top band. 90 % of those
were CW. So FTA was the third most successful
mode, but 900 people and you're one of them,
made one cue on one band with the Baker Island
The Expedition. And that one cue was FT8. And
when we got back, there was email after email
saying exactly what you just said, Neil. They
didn't expect a cue so. A third of those uniques
were in Europe with stations of modest So FTA
proved the difference in you making a queue or
not for 900 people. We had 18 ,000 uniques because
we stayed only on 20 meters with two of our eight
radios. some points during the day when we had
three stations on 20 meters CW digital or FT8
or CW or sideband so we were taking advantage
of our best band and Putting the weak ones in
the log with FT8. Where is this going? We discovered
after a day or so that one operator could be
in the digital tent which became known as the
digital palace and using the Fox Hound mode could
operate two radios just by going backwards and
forwards and filling the queue and choosing stations
to work and we had some rates of 300 an hour.
We started FT8 two days into the expedition so
We might have been able to do more. You asked
where this is going. So imagine this. You could
put three radios on a multiplexer and operate
three different bands. One operator could theoretically
operate three radios with one antenna. Imagine
the footprint you save. Imagine the resources
you save, and the efficiency of maybe 400 cues
an hour with one operator. I think somebody's
going to do that. And I see FTA making a lot
more 6 meter cues possible in the future. making
a lot more, bringing a lot more DXers into the
hobby. Cause you've heard this. Lots of people
say, Oh, I can't work the X, especially a top
10. Now all of a sudden here's a shot. Yep. Yeah.
And I, I was planning on running into, uh, to
school and, and use the stepper and everything
and then amplifier and, and, and that just didn't
time into my schedule and so I was stuck at home
on an offset or fed dipole that's kind of you
know strangely arranged because of I live on
a hill and so it's kind of sloped into the hill
a little bit and running 150 watts and and you
worked the number five most wanted DXN yeah worked
it and, you know, was able to get it on FT8,
and I kept going over to phone, which is kind
of my preferred way, and heard nothing. I went
over to CW and was shaking because there was
a time when I did 20 words a minute, but that
was several decades ago, and I thought, Okay,
I'll do CW if I have to Couldn't hear it could
not could not pull it out at all and so when
I went to ft8 and all of a sudden I saw it come
up I was I was amazed and it took a while but
but it worked and and I think if like you said
if you think you can triplex that and get three
bands on one antenna, the resources that you
could save and, you know, those kinds of rates,
I think somebody, I'm like you, somebody's going
to try that. We're planning it. Yeah, yeah, I
would too. So, you know, that may be how a lot
of people were able to get the the first -timers,
you know, the all -time new one, but I'm interested
to hear that it was only 25%, but it also may
be that that was all that we could hear back
here in the States, too. So that may have affected
that a little bit. No, I think it was their concentration
of... Six radios on other modes Yeah, okay, we're
good Well, let's uh Let's talk about finances
here for a minute. This is no small feat and
and you've you've done a great job with financing
and and and you are the man when it comes to
Financing the expeditions and in fact there's
an article in this month's QST about Financing
the expeditions and and by the way Don probably
won't say it But but you know you can go in there
and vote for the cover plaque award and and Don's
one of the choices here so so you might want
to go vote for Don but How did you do with raising
money before the trip? Where did it come from
and then? How did that go during the trip and
after? The way to raise money for a de -expedition
is from clubs and foundations. The team put up
half the money. The budget for this operation
was almost $470 ,000. The boat was expensive.
The shipping was expensive. We had to buy the
tents. There were a lot of a lot of things to
put together over the year to make this possible.
So half the money came from the team before we
left. Another 35 % of the pre -departure expenses
came from clubs and foundations. NCDXF was our
biggest financier at $75 ,000. The bulk of the
money excluding the team because that would really
skew the numbers Came from North America 77 %
of our funding came from North America, which
made less than half of the cues by the way Where
did it come from the team 49 % Foundations and
clubs 24 % and individuals mostly after we got
back People like to make sure they're in the
log before they pay. So OQRS brought in about
a quarter of the budget after the fact. And we
still had expenses after we got home, of course.
How do you raise money? We did semi -weekly,
bi -weekly press releases. We did daily releases
while we were on the island. Keep people informed,
give them something to look forward to, uh, post
pictures, uh, and keep begging for money. Uh,
we're still not fully paid, uh, for this trip,
but I believe with OQ RS and when people start
hearing that the cards are beginning to go out,
uh, we'll get there. Very good. And even sneak
in a phone call with ham talk live while you're
there. So We appreciate that tremendously. It
was good to hear from you over there. And, uh,
and that was a highlight here. So, um, we appreciate
that. All right. Well, we're going to take a
break. And when we come back, we'll give you
a chance to call in and ask some questions with
Dawn. And we'll talk a little more about the
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so thanks for tuning in on the road there and
Don you had a chance to check out some some wildlife
while you were there some I have to tell this
story I was in Florida this summer and and saw
a guy walking his his pet and and we looked down
and it was a tortoise this guy was just walking
down the sidewalk of Cocoa Beach, walking his
tortoise. So, so you never know where you're
going to see this wildlife. So, so what all did
you, did you run into while you were away? The
island has being a bird sanctuary has anywhere
between seven and 11 million birds. We're talking
about an island a mile and a half by a mile It's
loud it's noisy when the wind stops there's an
incredible smell From the guano and it was mined
as a guano island in the 1800s 1857 to be exact
Before we even left the boat the first morning
there were tortoises swimming around Each day
as we went over the reef There were skates and
rays swimming around the boat There were Hundreds
of thousands hermit crabs that would crawl around
come into the tent and bother bother us at night
During the day, they went in the lighthouse and
totally filled it up to get out of the sun. There
are no trees on Baker Island. Only some scrub
brush and so we saw hermit crabs, eight or ten
different types of birds including red -tailed
tropic birds, sooty terns. There were more sooty
terns than anything else. frigate birds which
live in trees but on Baker Island where there
aren't any they live on these little any hill
they can find even if it's only a foot high and
mass boobies and brown boobies and that sort
of thing but the water was teeming with porpoises
and when we left they call it the pod of Baker
Island bottlenose dolphins, they just led the
way. You know how you see dolphins in front of
the boat? They just kept coming up and breaching
and diving back in. So lots of wildlife, but
there's also a lot of history on Baker Island.
In the mid -1800s, it was a guano camp. It was
discovered by whalers. The captain of the ship
was named Baker. The boat was the Howlands, and
now you know where Baker and Howland came from.
There are still the ruins of the settlement.
In the 1930s, the Hawaiians tried to colonize
it. That didn't go well. In fact, they finally
gave up after the Japanese bombed it on the way
back from Pearl Harbor. During the war, they
built a landing strip there. And the military
was there and you can see a lot of rotting vehicles
and landing craft. There are graves there of
the couple of Hawaiians who died and military
people. And you can still see where the defensive
battlements were built into the coral. That in
a nutshell plus 120 degrees is Baker Island 8126
384 261 is the phone number if you'd like to
call in and ask a question, please Do so now
we'd love to hear from you tonight Now you mentioned
the lighthouse and we had talked a little bit
about or you're gonna try to use that in any
way Were you able to use that in any way? No,
that was built 80 or so years ago It was way
too small and it was occupied There were also
a few thousand of your friends Right. There was
a Loran site there in the 1950s and there are
four hundred and twenty odd tall poles, but that
was off -limits too because A, who wants to climb
a 70 -year -old wooden pole, and B, it's a historical
site. We put up antennas on the beach. Sounds
like a good plan there. 812 -638 -4261 is the
phone number to call if you have a question about
the Baker Island De -Expedition. You you mentioned
that you know there were there were all these
wildlife Sanctuaries and for the birds did at
any time did you think about? Renaming it to
to Hitchcock Island There's a video that on porpoise
Video There's a video on our website of these
birds and when I show it at Hamventions and whatever
it's right out of the movie. I mean You can't
see the sky that's how many birds were flying
around there at times, you know every morning
they went out for their food and every afternoon
they came back and Don't think we have one picture
including in the tents where there isn't some
animal whether it be a hermit crab at your feet
or a bird flying by Sounds like an interesting
place eight one two six three eight four two
six one You have a question for Don in one DG
with the Baker Island D expedition so I probably
know the answer to this before I even ask it,
but I'll go ahead and ask it. So what's next?
You know, funny thing, we keep going to these
top 10 countries and they're still 10 in the
top 10. So there's, there's a bunch of rare ones
out there. A bunch of those things are still
in the Pacific. We're looking at a couple, but
it takes about a year to unwind from one of these.
Then it might take a year or two to get permission
to go to one of these, or fundraise, or even
figure out which one you want to go to. I don't
know where we're going next. okay well we've
got a caller on the line so let's see what question
we have here for Don in 1dg good evening hello
you're on the air hello okay I guess they're
not on the air eight one two six three eight
4261 is the phone number to call if you'd like
to ask a question about this. And yeah, it's
funny how these top 10 lists, they don't get
any shorter. So I'm sure you've got something
in the works, but we'll wait to hear about that.
So I'll ask you the next question that you may
or may not want to answer. Cold or hot? Oh, having
been down to the southern oceans and the bad
weather and the bad seas, there's something nice
about the calm Pacific. That you know, we this
group's been to midway and wake Fiji and pongo
pongo and of course Baker now I think I'm sticking
to the mid latitudes for a while All right, I
think we've got a call on the line now, so let's
see if we do who's this Hello and Once again,
we don't have a call. So all right, don't know
what's going on with that But we'll hang around
here for a few minutes if you want to chime in
it's eight one two six three eight four two six
one so Tell us a little bit about How you went
about setting up all this equipment, you know,
you mentioned, you know you had some poles there,
but you really couldn't use those and you just
set everything up on the beach. How do you, how
do you get your antennas to go up on the beachfront?
A lot of what we did was driven by our special
use permit. They said we couldn't go inland.
We had to be on the beach, which actually, given
that they also said we were limited to verticals,
and 43 foot verticals at that. The only way to
make a vertical play is in the salt water. So
we got right down to the water line, just above
the high tide mark. We had five antennas at the
CW tent, which is three quarters of a mile from
the digital tent, and the sideband tent was right
in the middle. We had stepper verticals. We had
homebrew verticals that were two elements. We
put the 160 antenna all the way at the north
of the island. You throw an anchor in the ground
and since it was only 43 feet, it's not that
hard to walk up and guy it. All the guy wires
had to have flags on them. So we wouldn't harm
any wildlife, which we did not. We set up separate
antennas down at each of the other two operating
tents. We had a 900 megahertz link back to the
boat. We were playing with the idea of some of
the operators because we had more operators than
could stay on the island overnight that we were
going to try to see about remote operation from
the boat. There was a lot of multi -path distortion
as the boat would rock, so remote never happened.
We had three antennas at the digital tent, we
had five at the side band, and we had actually
seven, including the receive antennas up at the
CW tent. So we got to the island, we set up the
first thing, shelter, brought water on, food,
generators. That was the first day, and in 120
degrees, that's enough. We all went back to the
boat, recovered from the harsh environment. Day
two, we got up all the CW antennas and a couple
of the sideband antennas. They say it never rains
on Baker, but that night a squall came through
and knocked down a couple of those antennas.
But after two full days, we were on the air the
third day everything else went up and we had
eight stations. It took us over two days to put
everything up but when we got word a storm was
coming it took about 12 hours to take everything
down and bug out. Okay very good and then Riggs
what did you uh what did you end up with there
and and any any changes that you think you might
make for for that unknown next time. We had eight
generators. We had eight radios, eight linears.
The radios were all lent to us by Ellacraft.
They were the K3S. We had KPA 500s. We had one
homebrew linear for 160 that AA7JV built. That
was two kilowatts. But everything else was 500
watts. They worked fine. It was the conditions
that limited us, not the power. We had weather
port tents. As I mentioned, these were sturdy.
We had four of them. We had four sleeping tents,
in addition to that. From REI, they were these
big agnes tents, they call them. Plus, we had
this skiff going back and forth, bringing us
food. Twice a day they brought us food, breakfast
we made ourselves, mostly cereal or scrambled
eggs. And the usual paraphernalia you need like,
you know, desks, chairs, lights, fire extinguishers,
protective burns under the generators, 5 ,800
pounds of gear. Wow. And it all has to go out
there on the island and it all has to come back
and and it did and so now we can look forward
to hearing what the future may bring so Congratulations
on a successful event and remind everyone where
they can find the bird video and donate to the
cause and how to do the OQRS thing to get those
cards in the mail. So QSLs are on clublog .org.
The Baker2018 .net is our main website. From
there, you can see pictures and links to video.
If you Google Vimeo9v1YC, there's a two -minute
little introductory video that James did. All
our sponsors are on the website. Equipment sponsors
in addition to Ella craft Antennas were from
stepper the DX engineering folks gave us coax
and connectors and power supplies Anything we
wanted Tim Duffy Just said where do I ship it?
We had antenna tuners from rig expert. Thanks
to them All this stuff, uh, Hile headsets, um,
Bob pile made sure each operator had his own,
uh, pro seven and, uh, God, I hope I haven't
forgotten anybody, but, uh, 5 ,800 pounds of
gear. There's probably someone in there. I forgot.
Okay. So you can check that out. And, uh, again,
club log for the OQRS. You can, uh, request the
QSL card if you want to get one of those print
QSL cards and we would of course appreciate some
support to help finish off paying for this big
trip. So Don thank you so much for coming back
to tell us how it all went and when you get the
next one figured out let us know we'd love to
have you back. Oh, thank you. It's always fun,
Neil. Thank you. All right. Well, that's a wrap
for this week's edition of HamTalk Live. Thanks
to my guest, Don Greenbaum, N1DG, and everybody
out there in cyberspace for listening and calling
in and invite you back next Thursday night at
9 p .m. Eastern Time. Christian Kudnick, K0STH,
is going to be back and we're going to talk about
the 100 watts at a wire fallout, the third edition
the fallout so make sure you're here call in
and harass Christian a little bit and and and
talk about fallout getting ready for Just some
some changes in the weather. Hopefully we're
pretty warm here today heat index up in the triple
digits, but I think we said a 30 degree cool
down tomorrow, so maybe that cooler weather is
around the corner so make sure you check out
the 100 watts and wire fallout and Christian
will be here to talk about it and who knows what
else next week right here at HamTalkLive .com
and if you're interested in our upcoming guests
that's the place to go just click on the show
schedule link at HamTalkLive .com and You'll
find that out. Also some progress on the t -shirts
for those of you kind of following along on the
satellite themed limited edition t -shirts. I've
got the order form almost ready to go online
and I think we've got a printer and everything
worked out for that. So look for that soon. It'll
be in the next week or two. We'll announce all
the details and start taking orders for those.
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is Neil Rapp, WB9VPG, saying 7375, and may the
good DX be yours. Thank you.