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Good evening, everyone. It's time for Ham Talk
Live. It's episode number 147, Ham radio on the
Queen Mary, recorded live on Thursday, January
3rd, 2019. I'm your host, Neil Rapp, WB9VPG.
Thanks for tuning in to this episode of Ham Talk
Live. Tonight, we're joined by Patrick Stoddard,
WD9EWK, Indoff Buckley, N6UTC, and David Aikens
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is back WD9EWK and VA7EWK and he's operated all
sorts of modes on HF and VHF and UHF. He became
a ham in 1977 and obtained his Canadian license
in 2002. Patrick has been an AMSAT ambassador
which is a volunteer representing AMSAT at HamFest
and other ham related events since 2006 and continues
to serve AMSAT in that role as well as others.
Patrick is often regarded as the top source for
current information about satellites and portable
operation. He's been kind enough to be back with
us tonight. Indolf Buckley N6UTC was licensed
in 1997 with the call sign MW1BQO. He moved to
the United States in 2001 and received the call
sign KG6FIY and in 2017 changed it to N6UTC.
Indolf enjoys operating slow -scan television,
HF data modes, packet radio and satellites. even
shortwave listening, and he enjoys anything related
to space. He's a member of ARRL, AMSAT, AMSAT
UK, the Associated Radio Amateurs of Long Beach,
the Catalina Amateur Repeater Association, and
the British Amateur Television Club. He's also
a volunteer examiner for the Greater Los Angeles
Amateur Radio Group with W5YI and ARRL VECs.
And our final guest is David Aikens in He is
the station manager of W6RO, the Nate Breitman
Wireless Room aboard the Queen Mary. Nate is
the founder of the station, dating back to the
ship's last great cruise in 1967 and the grand
opening of W6RO in 1979. David took over from
Nate upon his retirement in 2013. He is also
a member of the wireless rooms sponsor. club,
the Associated Radio Amateurs of Long Beach.
So Patrick Indoff, David, welcome to the show.
Thanks, Neil. Thanks, Neil. Nice to be here.
And apparently Allie the cat's decided to be
on the show tonight, too. So anyway, we'll keep
working through with Allie in the background,
apparently. But we want to start off with David
We want a little bit of history of the radio
room on the Queen Mary and what operations are
being done on a regular basis and I didn't throw
this in here so this make may catch David off
guard, but I I was going through I just finished
up clearing out my parents house and I found
a letter and the letter was from a station operator
or manager at W6RO. Very nice letter explaining
things and this was back when I was you know,
seven or eight years old probably, and first
made contact with W6RO. And I'm not sure if it
was from you or from Nate or who it was, but
I just ran across that a few days ago, so that
was kind of interesting. But tell us a little
bit of the history of the W6RO station. If that
letter was from the station manager and it was
that long ago, it would have had to have done
from Nate. Glad you got that. You had a little
contact with us. Okay, so when word got out that
the City of Long Beach was going to purchase
the Queen Mary, Long Beach ham Nate Brightman,
K -6 OSC, went to work on an outlandish plan,
overcoming numerous hurdles, he organized a team
of hams from the ARALB for a tremendous undertaking.
They secured permission from the Cunard line
for their intended operation, booked passage
on the Queen Mary's last great cruise, obtained
a special event call sign from the British government,
acquired radio equipment from Swan Electronics
of Oceanside, and made their way as a team to
Southampton, England. Sorry about that. Go ahead.
That never happens to me. We'll pick that back
up then. Okay, so they made their way to Southampton,
England. They boarded the Queen Mary, installed
their radios and antennas, passed an inspection
by the British telecom authorities, and operated
as special event station GB5QM for their 39 days
at sea en route from Southampton to Long Beach.
They made a huge number of contacts while at
sea, all earning a very special QSL certificate
because a card just wouldn't cut it for an event
this grand. We still have one of those certificates
donated by the estate of the ham who made the
contact on display aboard the ship. GB5QM was
decommissioned upon the Queen Mary's arrival
in Long Beach, but Nate Brightman had more plans
in mind. and for the next 11 years he persistently
spoke to anyone in authority who would listen
to him about his desire to create a permanent
amateur radio station aboard the Queen Mary.
His persistence paid off and in 1978 the Long
Beach Board of Harbor Commissioners approved
and funded his plans to build this station and
on April 22nd of 1979 the wireless room aboard
the Queen Mary was officially opened and began
operations. The Associated Radio Amateurs of
Long Beach gave their club call sign W6RO to
the station and Swan Electronics again donated
the initial radio equipment. In 2007, the station
was officially renamed the Nate Breitman Wireless
Room in recognition of Nate's tremendous work
to establish and run it. Nate served as station
manager for 34 years until his retirement in
2013. and I was very fortunate to have served
under him, and I'm privileged to call him friend
for many years. To bring us up to date during
these past 40 years, W6RO aboard the Queen Mary
has been staffed by volunteer radio amateurs
who divide their time between operating on the
air and talking with the visitors who pass by
our door. In fact, many of our crew members report
working more DX at the door than they do on the
air. as visitors from all over the world come
to Long Beach to take in the history, art, and
engineering experiences preserved in this magnificent
ocean liner. That's what we do every day. All
right, very good. We got some good background
on that and let me let me take an opportunity
here to try Patrick again because we we lost
him and we want to try to get him back on here.
so let's see if we can get him back in here I'm
back okay good we got you back okay yeah we I
called you and you called me at the same time
apparently so okay so we got we got you back
so David just finished up telling us a little
bit about the operations on the Queen Mary so
Patrick now that you're back you and end off
were recently invited to do some satellite operations
on board so tell us how that went and some of
the challenges of finding a clear line of sight
from ship well the this all goes back you know
to the previous time I work satellites on the
ship From the W6RO wireless room at the time
in 2016, the station still had satellite antennas
and I worked one pass from there. The satellite
portion of the station has since been dismantled.
But in talking with NDEF in the last year, I
was asking if there would be any possibility
of operating as W6RO on the satellites again.
even if we do it field day style with portable
gear from somewhere on the ship and You want
to take it from here in death? Yeah, sure So
it's I've known Patrick about seven years I've
known him personally now, you know for four or
five years and he's been kind enough to come
over to the Long Beach meetings the area I'll
be meetings I think a couple times he's been
over and give us some presentations he He came
over last August to a community outreach that
we did and worked some satellites. So he's been
a friend of mine and also a friend of ARLB now
for a long time. And while we were at the community
outreach in August, you know, after our W601
satellite experience in 2016, I think it was,
you know, we discussed it a bit more and I said,
well, let's see if we can... Get like a day,
you know of operating satellites on board. We'll
use the W6RO call sign so I asked David, you
know being the wireless room manager asked him
what he thought the idea and David was on board
excuse the pun and I then you know spoke to the
ARLB board because it is a club, you know It
is our club station and our club call sign and
they were you know, also in favor. So We went
back to Patrick and said hey we've got to go
ahead. David is going to talk to Queen Mary Management
and if they say, yeah, then we're good to go.
So then we discussed a few dates and then David
got back with a, I think David got back to me
saying that the Queen Mary Management are up
for it. So then, you know, as I said, Patrick
and I came up with a date and we went with it.
So what, you know, how did it go? What kind of
numbers did you have and What kinds of contacts
were you able to make? Well, let me just finish
off by saying, Neil, you were asking about, you
know, the challenges of line of sight. David
and I did go down on the Queen Mary back in September,
early September, I think it was, middle of September.
And we walked the ship and I had a camera with
me and I took some video and some commentary,
you know, of where we were. what direction I
was heading, and we came up with a particular
part of the ship that we were gonna operate from.
Still very challenging though, because as David
and Patrick remember, to our, I wanna say to
our east, there was a cruise ship. The Queen
Mary is in an active harbor, an active port.
And then to our west, we have cranes and some
other buildings. So yeah, over to you Patrick.
You can take over the other question. Sure For
the day on the ship starting at nine, you know
a little after nine o 'clock Pacific time on
the morning of December 15th until just before
5 p .m We we worked the FM satellite single sideband
did some packet we logged 50 contacts for the
day with stations all across the US Canada Mexico
and The passes didn't give us great opportunities
to work the stations on the east coast but we
were we still had busy passes when we were getting
on and the challenges of being like indepth was
saying the surroundings in the harbor in the
port of long beach the r f noise from the port
from downtown long beach across the water from
the ship and uh... that was noticeable on single
-side band and packet more so than f m We persisted
and we may have had to wait till the satellites
were higher in the sky to have a better opportunity
to get through, but we had fun and at the end
of the day when we packed up, handed David the
log sheets so that could go into the W6RO log
book, we thought we had a good day in spite of
all the challenges we had operating in a very
urban environment. uh, field day style, five
watt radios, uh, in all modes. Uh, but we did
have great weather for, for being on the ship
in an exposed area on that deck. Well, sounds
like a, a successful operation. Uh, now David,
uh, how does this compare to, um, you know, a
typical day on, on the Queen Mary in the radio
room. On a typical day we'll have maybe two,
three, four crew members on duty on an AM and
or a PM shift. And they might log maybe five,
six, seven, eight contacts on the air depending
on who it is and what they like to do. Sometimes
the crew members will concentrate more on on
-air contacts. many times still concentrate on
just talking to the visitors that come by the
door and between that our mission is accomplished
either way. Okay so some great opportunities
to work the station I know it's one of the most
memorable QSL cards that I have from that 70s
era because it's it's the full size the long
card you you can't hardly fit that ship on a
regular QSL card and it was one that I always
enjoyed having around and one that I was very
proud of so glad to hear that that's still going
and on the air and now some some satellite activity
so That's pretty cool. Well we're going to take
a break here and then when we come back we're
going to take your questions on Twitter and as
well as the phone lines at 812 -638 -4261. So
we'll take a break and do that right after this
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kind of response we have online and on the phone
lines tonight 812 -638 -4261 David, what are
some of the upcoming on -air events that you've
got planned for W6RO? Okay, well we are planning
a month -long on -air operating event during
April as part of our 40th anniversary celebration.
W6RO has been open for business for 40 years
and it's time we celebrate it. Crew members will
make every effort to keep the station active
every day. and make as many contacts as possible.
I'm working with the ship's management to have
a special QSL card made up just for this event.
Look for W6RO on 7040 and 14040 CW or 7240 and
14340 single sideband. We may be on other bands
as conditions permit. And see our page on QRZ
.com for the QSL information. Again, that's April
1st. through April 30th. Alright, very good.
812 -638 -4261 is the phone number if you have
a question about operations on the Queen Mary
or some portable satellite operation for Indoff
and for Patrick. Give us a call 812 -638 -4261.
While we're waiting here David to I wanted to
ask if Somebody's coming out to the west coast
and out there visiting And they want to operate
from the station is their way they can do that
and if so, okay What should they do to make that
happen? Sure, we always welcome guest operators
to come aboard and Take the mic or the key for
a little while and operate w6ro It's best to
check with us a few weeks in advance to be sure
that a crew member will be present on the day
you intend to visit. We do have some gaps in
our schedule, so it's important to do that. Bring
a paper copy of your ham license for us to verify.
And you'll need to purchase an admission to the
ship, then come on up to the wireless room. Here's
one important caveat. Be aware that there are
no elevators on the ship that come all the way
up to the sports deck. You will have to be able
to climb at least two flights of stairs and walk
about a hundred feet to get to the wireless room.
And lastly, all guest operation is under the
supervision of the W6RO control operator on duty.
Okay, very good. So if you're interested in doing
that, there's the information you can get a hold
of. David or one of the control operators out
there and and make your visit 8 1 2 6 3 8 4 2
6 1 is the telephone number if you have a question
or you can tweet us we're watching that it's
at ham talk live on Twitter if you have a question
about operations on the Queen Mary now Patrick
did you get get any video or recordings of all
of this? Well, we have audio recordings of every
pass we worked. Many of the passes also had video.
NDEF was streaming them on Facebook Live during
the day. Those videos are posted in a couple
of places on the ARALB's Facebook page. I believe
they're still available there. And I also have
most of the videos on my own YouTube channel,
youtube .com slash VA7EWK, just taking what was,
you know, streamed on Facebook live and posting
it on YouTube. So you can see we were operating
just out in the open or for A07F029 at the end
of the table that we had set up on the veranda
deck. And people came by and watched, they had
questions, and what were we doing? Some hams
came by even, and weren't aware of how small
a satellite station could be, down to an HT and
an antenna in the other hand. But videos show
how we were operating, and we were visited by
hams and non -hams throughout the day, and we
were visited by the ship's Commodore. late in
the afternoon, and we posed for pictures with
the Commodore. Excellent. And you weren't chased
by the police. Oh, no. Oh, no. Quite the opposite.
David did an excellent job in clearing the way
for us to have this event. you know like we said
earlier and finding a date that worked with us
and with the ship's management uh had no problems
whatsoever you know we had people from the ship
visit us during the day to make sure if everything
was all right and and it was yeah i think uh
we had somebody yeah i think i was going to say
we had something from um that david works with
come over and check us out what we were doing
and we can't forget uh ron frank n3 hi who helped
us out during the day too he uh She kind of hung
out with us and kept guard on the equipment while
we were taking a 15 minute break and so forth.
So we need to thank Ron as well. 812 -638 -4261
is the phone number. If you'd like to join in
tonight, please do so. It's better if we get
some phone calls. So give us a call. 812 -638
-4261. Or if you'd rather type, you can tweet
us at HamTalk Live. on Twitter. So, Patrick,
do you remember exactly what equipment you were
using there on this trip? On this trip, when
I was operating FM, I was using my Kenwood TH
-72 and my Elk Log Periodic for single sideband,
same antenna, but I was using two FT -817s. For
packet, I used either the THD -72 on the Falcon
Sat -3 satellite or I used my THD -74 for the
ISS passes later in the day. And NDEF worked
SO50 and what did, I forget what radio he used,
NDEF? Uh, I used, uh, an arrow elk, sorry, an
elk periodic antenna. I know, I know. I used
an elk log periodic antenna and I used a, a Yaisu
FT60, uh, no Baofeng inside. Nope. Oh, he said,
he said the word he's been planning this all
week, trying to figure out how I can say the
word Baofeng. So we have to play the Baofeng
clip. Um, but anyway, um, so, you know, just
some, some, you know, handheld, some, some old
mobiles and, um, and a couple of elk and, and
away you go. So, um, sounds like, uh, sounds
like it worked pretty well. Uh, David, what do
you have in the, uh, radio room for, uh, for
HF? We just put in a, uh, a brand new icon. I
see 7 ,300. about a year and a half ago. We raised
funds to purchase that and got a nice panel console
mount for it made up by a company over in Torrance
here and that went in and went very well. We
also have a big old Kenwood TS950. That's the
big gun in the station, our 200 water on the
beam antenna. And we're going to be retiring
a TS -850 here pretty soon to make room for a
brand new VHF UHF panel which will be going in.
Could be any day now. I should be checking with
my assistant manager and making sure he's got
everything to do. We've got a couple of new antennas
on tap too that we're going to put up. We have
a Carolina Windham that we're going to try to
get up when they take down the Christmas lights.
And we'll have another vertical antenna up probably
within the next month to six weeks. All right.
Some cool stuff there. And we need to get some
people out there and visit and operate. So if
you're out in the Long Beach area, make sure
you get a hold of them. And David, why don't
you... Fill everybody in on the website there
for the club and and how they can get a hold
of somebody if they do want to come visit Sure
probably the better more concise information
is in our on our QRZ page QRZ for W6RO There's
also some information available on the club's
website, which is ARALB .org Okay, very good.
So that's where you can find information about
the club station and their operations there.
Well, let's give one more call out for phone
calls here. 812 -638 -4261 is the phone number.
So if you have a question, give us a call. We're
going to wrap things up here shortly. So give
us a call or give us a tweet if you have a question
and invariably as soon as I start to sign off
that's when one comes in. But we'll give everybody
a chance here to do that. Patrick, anything else
that you want to bring up from this trip? Well,
like I was saying earlier, the challenges of
operating in the port of Long Beach, I didn't
realize how noisy it was going to be, especially
on the non -FM satellite passes, until the satellites
were higher in the sky. I figured there would
be noise, but for AO7 and FO29, we had to look
for higher passes to be able to overcome the
noise, so our antennas were pointing up instead
of at a ship or at downtown Long Beach across
the water. FM wasn't so bad. It was just a typical
Saturday afternoon on FM. We were able to get
through reasonably well, but there were some
times we had to wait a minute or two before we
could get a gap in the action to make ourselves
heard. But we were making contacts as if it was
like field day. Everybody wanted to work W6RO.
We were happy to do that on all the passes. led
to 50 contacts in the eight or nine hours. But
I'll also add, I was a little worried when we
did AO92 the first pass and there was some noise
and we weren't getting in. And then was it AO7
or FO29 on single sideband? It was just like
S5, S6 noise, but luckily we got through. So
there was some moments there when I thought,
oh, we're not gonna make anything here. And we
at least at least we made good. I'm sorry No,
go at least we made at least we made contacts
on every satellite. We attempted no a o a o 91
92 so 50 and FM a o 7 and fo 29 Falcon 3 and
ISS we at least made one contact on every pass
We attempted and you know a o 7 I think we only
made two contacts and that was the one that was
getting a lot of noise it didn't matter If it
was two meters or 70 centimeters, it was just,
the noise was there. But the satellite community
did come out and help us. I mean, thanks to Twitter,
we let everybody know what's going on and, um,
there were a lot of familiar call signs on those
passes. Yeah. I remember trying to get in and
I couldn't get through the pile up. I was trying,
but it just didn't, uh, didn't work. Well, we've
got a tweet here from Clayton W five PFG, and
I'm assuming this is for end off, but. Maybe
not, but he, he wants to know what takes priority
afternoon tea time on the queen Mary or satellite
pass. Um, I w I'm going to say satellite pass.
That's easily the thing I'm there for. Not just,
you know, having a nice cup of tea on board is
also fun, but I'll take the satellite pass. All
right. I think we got the right answer there.
So. Well, gentlemen, I'm going to just go around
one last time here, but I think we're about to
finish up. So any, uh, any last comments, David?
Yeah, I could, uh, I could plug a little, a little
bit here. We currently have about 44 volunteer
hams on the roster. And we have room for a few
more. So for anybody who's living in the Long
Beach area, and I welcome some more crew members,
all I ask is that you must, of course, be a licensed
amateur, be able to operate on HF, be able to
give a good representation of ham radio to the
ship's visitors, and commit to at least one regularly
-calendered four -hour shift each month. Anyone
who's interested in joining the crew you can
contact me at my call sign N6HHR at ARRL .net
All right end off Well, I'm kind of hoping we
can do this, you know more as an annual event
You know, maybe do it again next December, but
obviously with the 40th anniversary coming up
in April. I'm hoping I'll get on board a couple
of times during that month to get W60 back on
satellites, you know, get the call sign back
in the consciousness of, you know, the ham radio
operators out there. But I'm hoping we can make
this, you know, kind of an annual event. Okay.
And before I get to Patrick, we have a phone
call on the line here. So let's go ahead and
take the call. Good evening. Welcome to HamTalk
Live. I have a feeling I know who this is. Oh,
Neil, how you doing? I'm doing fine. Another
great show. Oh, thank you. I've been on the Queen
Mary, and I've been out to Long Beach, and it's
a real good time out there. It's worth investing
in a little bit of dollars to go out there and
check it all out. It's a good time. Well, there
you go. You've got it from Doug K9 JJS in Mount
Vernon, Illinois and Thanks for calling in Doug.
Appreciate it. And thanks for for listening Well,
so it was a good time listen to you I've listened
to you all the time, but I thought I'd call in
tonight and I Love working those satellites and
there's nothing better for me All right, Doug.
Well, thanks for calling. Good to hear you again.
And we'll be talking to you. Well, have a good
night, Neil. Another good show, just like always.
All right. Thanks, Doug. Appreciate it. All right.
All right, Patrick, I guess you're getting the
last word. Well, I had fun when I was out there
and I'm glad that in talking with NDEF and NDEF
with David and the ship that we were able to
pull this off and if W6RO is on in April, I'm
hoping to work them myself on the satellites.
A yearly thing, I think it's great that W6RO
is... is going to be on the satellites, if it
can be done at least on a yearly basis, to have
the call sign on. And as we proved in December,
we don't need a whole lot of equipment to make
that happen. The club has a nice HF station on
the ship, and NDAF or anyone else who wants to
do satellite, we bring our own equipment and
away we go. All right, well. i would look forward
to that as well so i i hope that uh... you all
can make it work out and uh... i will be watching
on on twitter and and listening uh... for that
to happen again as i'd like to give that a try
so well we're going to uh... in the things here
tonight uh... but uh... that's going to be another
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nine VPG saying seven three seven five and may
the good DX be yours Readability 5 and strength
9 You never once mentioned your weather at all
And I didn't mention mine