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It's episode number 149, live contest scoring, 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:50.560 recorded live on Thursday, January 17th, 2019. 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:54.939 I'm your host, Neil Rapp, WB9VPG. Thanks for 00:01:54.939 --> 00:01:59.099 tuning in to another episode of HamTalk Live. 00:01:59.920 --> 00:02:05.780 Tonight we're joined by Victor Androsov, VA2WA. 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:11.719 and Randy Thompson K5ZD and we'll take your calls 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:14.680 live in just a few minutes. 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It's Fort Myers, Florida, 00:06:01.670 --> 00:06:05.730 the 18th and 19th and then in St. Charles, Illinois 00:06:05.730 --> 00:06:10.350 on January 19th. Then they'll be in Collinsville, 00:06:10.350 --> 00:06:14.670 Illinois on January 26th and Arcadia, Florida 00:06:14.670 --> 00:06:18.990 on January 26th. or you can visit them anytime 00:06:18.990 --> 00:06:27.129 at PL -259 .com. Well, our guests tonight, we 00:06:27.129 --> 00:06:30.750 had one that is ill and not able to be with us, 00:06:30.769 --> 00:06:33.269 but we have Victor and Randy tonight. Victor 00:06:33.269 --> 00:06:38.180 and Drossoff VA2WA. is from Boucherville, Quebec, 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:41.319 and that's northeast of Montreal. He's been licensed 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:46.579 since 1986, and he also uses the call VE2EKA 00:06:46.579 --> 00:06:51.399 for CQ Zone 2 activity only and VC2A and VC2W 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:55.220 during WPX contests. He's a member of the contest 00:06:55.220 --> 00:06:59.480 group of Quebec and was a referee for WRTC in 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:05.360 2014 and 2018. He has nine -band DXCC with one 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:09.540 six 30 17 and 12 five band worked all states 00:07:09.540 --> 00:07:12.860 DXCC the challenge and worked all zones on 160 00:07:12.860 --> 00:07:17.240 and Five band worked all zones and Randy Thompson 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:20.660 k5z D is from Uxbridge, Massachusetts Just southwest 00:07:20.660 --> 00:07:24.279 of Boston. He became a ham at the age of 13 in 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:27.560 1973 and he's originally from Houston, Texas 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:30.500 He's a member of the CQ magazine contest Hall 00:07:30.500 --> 00:07:33.439 of Fame and the past director of the CQ worldwide 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:36.800 contest Randy's regarded as one of the top contesters 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:39.120 in the world has been an integral part of the 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:42.519 world radio sport team championships as a competitor 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:46.120 and an organizer He's also a past editor and 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:49.879 publisher of the National Contest Journal. And 00:07:49.879 --> 00:07:53.600 Bruce Horn, WA7BNM from Studio City, California. 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:59.120 He's the... programmer of contestcalendar .com 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:01.879 and National Contest Journal and Secretary -Treasurer 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:04.800 of the Southern California Contesting Club. But 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:08.620 he is under the weather tonight, so we wish Bruce 00:08:08.620 --> 00:08:14.420 to get well soon. And sorry that he can't be 00:08:14.420 --> 00:08:16.480 with us tonight. But Victor and Randy, thanks 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:20.060 for coming on the show. Thanks for having us. 00:08:21.179 --> 00:08:24.819 Well, we're like I said my apologies for kind 00:08:24.819 --> 00:08:28.339 of limping through the The phone upgrades here, 00:08:28.339 --> 00:08:30.980 but this is all going to be a lot better when 00:08:30.980 --> 00:08:34.759 we get all the bugs worked out and We do have 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:37.960 a little bit of a bug with people on the cell 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:42.500 phone may not be able to hear You guys so I'll 00:08:42.500 --> 00:08:46.139 have to do a relay I guess is what we'll do tonight 00:08:46.139 --> 00:08:49.799 if we need to if that if that doesn't work, but 00:08:50.250 --> 00:08:53.289 Let's go ahead and talk a little bit about this 00:08:53.289 --> 00:08:58.830 live contest scoring. And one of the frustrations 00:08:58.830 --> 00:09:03.269 that I run into with some of the contests and 00:09:03.269 --> 00:09:06.009 some that we're not supposed to call contests, 00:09:06.610 --> 00:09:11.549 operating activities that we do at school where 00:09:11.549 --> 00:09:14.889 I teach is that the students want to know how 00:09:14.889 --> 00:09:18.330 they did at the end. You know, we work up and 00:09:18.330 --> 00:09:22.009 we're Cutting down to the last minute and we're 00:09:22.009 --> 00:09:24.649 trying to get that last contact in there and 00:09:24.649 --> 00:09:28.049 then it's over and then it's like and How did 00:09:28.049 --> 00:09:32.149 we do and I say well a few months from now. We'll 00:09:32.149 --> 00:09:37.590 find out So tell us how this on live online live 00:09:37.590 --> 00:09:42.470 scoring system Not only allows you how you know 00:09:42.470 --> 00:09:46.809 to know how you did at the end, but also the 00:09:46.809 --> 00:09:49.570 whole way through. So, Victor, why don't you 00:09:49.570 --> 00:09:54.450 take that one? Yes, hi, Neil. At first, I'd like 00:09:54.450 --> 00:09:57.610 to thank you for the invitation to the HEM Talk 00:09:57.610 --> 00:10:02.190 Live. That's actually a great honor. So, regarding 00:10:02.190 --> 00:10:07.049 your question, that's a very good question. So, 00:10:07.049 --> 00:10:10.429 regarding the frustration when you're just doing 00:10:10.429 --> 00:10:16.340 a contest without any scoring, So I think we're 00:10:16.340 --> 00:10:20.559 missing a lot of excitement during every contest 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:26.259 Maybe a double RTC that maybe accept double RTC 00:10:26.259 --> 00:10:29.379 So their online scoring could give a new life 00:10:29.379 --> 00:10:35.679 to contest in so I believe it could convert an 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:41.500 ordinary contest to a reality show so I would 00:10:41.500 --> 00:10:45.600 say there are a few different features everybody 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:53.360 could enjoy. For example, the first, the main 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:56.600 feature, so now everybody can see how it really 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:00.759 goes. It's very important to have a real -time 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:04.720 personal progress evaluation based on personal 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:10.500 score and scores of others. So you always know 00:11:10.500 --> 00:11:13.500 where you are, you always know where your competitors 00:11:13.500 --> 00:11:19.940 are. So the next, I would say, it always gives 00:11:19.940 --> 00:11:24.700 you an extra motivation. We all know that moment 00:11:24.700 --> 00:11:32.360 when in the middle of the contest, so when you... 00:11:32.139 --> 00:11:36.500 been really exhausted so you ask yourself what 00:11:36.500 --> 00:11:40.559 the hell I'm doing here and once yeah and once 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:43.240 you see those and those and other guys doing 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:46.620 the same and you see that some of them are doing 00:11:46.620 --> 00:11:49.799 better than you that would definitely motivate 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:53.200 you to stay in the chair and to do your best 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:58.899 and so that really works because I I start using 00:11:58.899 --> 00:12:03.840 online scoring Few years ago and I would say 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:06.419 so the motivation is much higher much better. 00:12:06.419 --> 00:12:10.399 And so the most important thing so my results 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:14.120 Getting better and better from one contest to 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:20.919 another one. So the last feature I like online 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:26.940 scoring for this is You can improve a personal 00:12:26.940 --> 00:12:34.019 skill so You can watch others, so you can watch 00:12:34.019 --> 00:12:41.039 more experienced guys. Regarding our project, 00:12:41.340 --> 00:12:44.480 Contest Online Scoreboard, we provide advanced 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:49.419 graphic tools, so you can easily see the hourly 00:12:49.419 --> 00:12:54.220 rates. of everybody who is on the scoreboard. 00:12:54.500 --> 00:12:57.960 So you always can compare your personal score 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:02.940 to someone else. And that's definitely work to 00:13:02.940 --> 00:13:07.179 get you on the better position and to get the 00:13:07.179 --> 00:13:13.620 better results. So this kind of feature, so just 00:13:13.620 --> 00:13:17.259 watch and learn in real time. And I'm pretty 00:13:17.259 --> 00:13:20.820 sure Randy have something to add to that one. 00:13:21.610 --> 00:13:23.929 Yeah, let's um, so there's a lot you mentioned 00:13:23.929 --> 00:13:25.769 a lot of great reasons why somebody would want 00:13:25.769 --> 00:13:27.590 to look at a scoreboard during the contest But 00:13:27.590 --> 00:13:29.309 let's back up a little bit and help people understand 00:13:29.309 --> 00:13:32.330 what's going on Today a lot of people, you know 00:13:32.330 --> 00:13:34.250 in a contest the goals work as many people as 00:13:34.250 --> 00:13:36.409 you can and as many different multipliers or 00:13:36.409 --> 00:13:38.809 countries or states or whatever the rules are 00:13:38.809 --> 00:13:41.509 As possible in the time that you have and a lot 00:13:41.509 --> 00:13:43.889 of people to keep track of everything they use 00:13:43.889 --> 00:13:45.610 a computer So they know who they've talked to 00:13:45.610 --> 00:13:47.330 before and it's keeping track of the score and 00:13:47.330 --> 00:13:50.169 they can see it on their screen but it's a little 00:13:50.169 --> 00:13:52.309 bit like running a race where you can't see anybody 00:13:52.309 --> 00:13:54.549 else. You just know what your score is and you 00:13:54.549 --> 00:13:57.370 may feel you're doing good, but you don't know. 00:13:58.690 --> 00:14:02.389 After the contest, you send your log in and you 00:14:02.389 --> 00:14:05.470 wait some amount of time for the sponsor to do 00:14:05.470 --> 00:14:09.429 all the cross -checking. They may produce a preliminary 00:14:09.429 --> 00:14:11.870 score like here's what people turned in and then 00:14:11.870 --> 00:14:13.889 later on they'll predict the final results and 00:14:13.889 --> 00:14:17.620 sometimes this can take a long time. So what 00:14:17.620 --> 00:14:20.960 we do with the scoreboard is the same computer 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:23.080 that you're using to do your logging, whatever 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:25.440 program you're using. All the popular ones support 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:27.740 this. In the background, if you're connected 00:14:27.740 --> 00:14:30.059 to the internet, you can set it up so that your 00:14:30.059 --> 00:14:32.559 logging software will send your score to the 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:35.799 contest online scoreboard. And we have a server 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:38.539 there that receives these scores and then posts 00:14:38.539 --> 00:14:40.960 them onto a web page. So at any time, you can 00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:43.440 look at the web page and the web page is constantly 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.980 updating. new scores are coming in and it's listing 00:14:46.980 --> 00:14:51.039 everything in order so you can just you can find 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:53.679 your call and see how you're doing and to me 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:56.620 some of the things that make it exciting that 00:14:56.620 --> 00:14:59.120 Victor talked about was you know you have a certain 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:01.879 score and maybe you get a bunch of contacts in 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:03.899 a five -minute period or something your score 00:15:03.899 --> 00:15:06.139 goes up and you can look at the scoreboard and 00:15:06.139 --> 00:15:09.039 you see that you passed someone on the board 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:14.139 or maybe you see they passed you and so that's 00:15:14.139 --> 00:15:16.259 where the motivation comes from because now instead 00:15:16.259 --> 00:15:18.240 of running a race where you have no idea how 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:20.100 you're doing you can actually see the guy oh 00:15:20.100 --> 00:15:22.740 he's just a few just a few points in front of 00:15:22.740 --> 00:15:24.679 me if i just work a little harder i'll be able 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:27.100 to catch up with him so in the end that's what 00:15:27.100 --> 00:15:30.279 it's that's what generates the excitement and 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:32.519 i know for for me personally there's been many 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:35.799 contests where i i sit down just to play around 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:38.419 and then i get to watching some guys on the scoreboard 00:15:38.419 --> 00:15:40.559 that are ahead of me and i start chasing them 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:43.659 and chasing the next thing i know it's It's four 00:15:43.659 --> 00:15:45.919 or five hours later. My wife is yelling at me 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:48.179 Why I didn't think there was a contest this weekend 00:15:48.179 --> 00:15:51.940 and so on so it can be very seductive. So So 00:15:51.940 --> 00:15:54.559 be careful But another great thing is when you 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:56.360 do a multi -op where you have multiple operators 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:59.279 come over and maybe the guys go home At night 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:01.639 or they go home to take a nap or something Well, 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:03.539 they can still follow how you're doing by looking 00:16:03.539 --> 00:16:05.960 at the scoreboard So it really helps in a multi 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:08.820 -op situation because now everybody can can stay 00:16:08.820 --> 00:16:12.480 involved whether they're operating or not Well, 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:14.620 Randy, why don't you talk a little bit about, 00:16:14.820 --> 00:16:17.480 and we can get Victor in on this, too, if we 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:22.259 need, talk a little bit about how that setup 00:16:22.259 --> 00:16:26.980 goes. Some people may not be familiar with the 00:16:26.980 --> 00:16:31.049 setup in N1, MN +, or in 3FJP, or whatever. or 00:16:31.049 --> 00:16:34.809 log software they're using for contesting on 00:16:34.809 --> 00:16:38.470 how to configure it to send all of that information. 00:16:38.889 --> 00:16:41.230 So could you walk us through a little bit of 00:16:41.230 --> 00:16:45.309 how to do that? Sure. So one of the great things 00:16:45.309 --> 00:16:49.409 is the logging software developers have done 00:16:49.409 --> 00:16:51.610 most of the work for you. So it turns out to 00:16:51.610 --> 00:16:54.570 be pretty simple. If you go to the website, which 00:16:54.570 --> 00:16:57.909 is contestonlinescore .com, even though we say 00:16:57.909 --> 00:17:00.269 contest online scoreboard all the time, the URL 00:17:00.269 --> 00:17:04.789 is contestonlinescore .com. And there's a place 00:17:04.789 --> 00:17:08.250 where it says help with logger setup. And if 00:17:08.250 --> 00:17:09.849 you go there, it lists all the different loggers 00:17:09.849 --> 00:17:11.990 that are supported and then instructions for 00:17:11.990 --> 00:17:15.029 each one of them. And it turns out to be pretty 00:17:15.029 --> 00:17:21.569 simple. For example, in N1MM +, you go to configuration, 00:17:21.900 --> 00:17:25.180 to the score reporting tab, and then there's 00:17:25.180 --> 00:17:28.099 a checkbox where you say, I want to report my 00:17:28.099 --> 00:17:31.140 score, and then you select the score reporting 00:17:31.140 --> 00:17:36.220 server that you want to use. We recommend using 00:17:36.220 --> 00:17:38.420 the score distributor server, which we can talk 00:17:38.420 --> 00:17:43.700 about. That's what the WA7 BNM developed. Once 00:17:43.700 --> 00:17:46.700 you've done that, Your logging software will 00:17:46.700 --> 00:17:48.799 start sending scores to the distributor server 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:50.740 and they'll automatically start showing up in 00:17:50.740 --> 00:17:52.700 the scoreboard So you can see immediately that 00:17:52.700 --> 00:17:54.299 everything got connected up, but it's really 00:17:54.299 --> 00:17:58.740 that simple one checkbox and a drop down Yeah, 00:17:58.980 --> 00:18:01.539 that's correct. It's very easy just few clicks 00:18:03.369 --> 00:18:05.650 Yeah, go ahead Victor anything else you want. 00:18:06.029 --> 00:18:07.710 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry 00:18:07.710 --> 00:18:12.369 Okay, so I just want to add some mighty words 00:18:12.369 --> 00:18:15.930 to that. So it's really easy. Usually it's just 00:18:15.930 --> 00:18:21.569 few clicks for the most Loggers, so actually 00:18:21.569 --> 00:18:26.150 we support 11 most popular loggers including 00:18:26.150 --> 00:18:32.849 n1 mm plus entry FJP write log the xlog and others. 00:18:33.670 --> 00:18:36.250 So we have a very good document, so the Randy 00:18:36.250 --> 00:18:41.089 told where is it. So we have a very detailed 00:18:41.089 --> 00:18:44.769 instruction how to set up a logger. Also, just 00:18:44.769 --> 00:18:48.589 in case if someone still cannot get it online, 00:18:49.509 --> 00:18:53.009 so there is always way just to send an email 00:18:53.009 --> 00:18:56.490 to technical support to our web team, which is 00:18:56.490 --> 00:19:05.400 admin at contestonlinescore .com, so we always 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:12.880 will be happy to help you. You can actually try 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:15.940 things even before the contest starts. There's 00:19:15.940 --> 00:19:19.019 a way to test everything out. Yeah, that's a 00:19:19.019 --> 00:19:23.160 really good point. Don't do that a few minutes 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:29.660 before the contest. This is the most our mistake. 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.859 And so usually we receive a lot of, uh, question 00:19:32.859 --> 00:19:35.059 after the contest, you know what? So I tried 00:19:35.059 --> 00:19:37.700 to do something, but it's, uh, it, it didn't 00:19:37.700 --> 00:19:41.200 work. So, uh, what we did wrong, but the contest 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:46.079 is over already. Yeah, a very good, uh, point. 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:51.019 So, uh, let's look a little bit at the live scores 00:19:51.019 --> 00:19:54.599 that are there. Uh, Victor, how would somebody 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:58.400 Be able to take a look and see where they are 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:02.019 in the contest or maybe you're not in that contest, 00:20:02.059 --> 00:20:04.619 but you just want to watch and see how your friends 00:20:04.619 --> 00:20:08.160 are doing or something. Uh, how do you go and 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:14.400 see those scores? Uh, yeah. So as, as we already 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:18.099 told, uh, is, uh, it's, it's very easy to configure. 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:23.799 to set up your logger and just to go to the online 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:30.680 scoreboard. So it's even people who doesn't know 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:35.359 are pretty well the PC, the computer technique 00:20:35.359 --> 00:20:39.059 once you've been able to set up your logger. 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:43.819 So definitely you can set up your logger to send 00:20:43.819 --> 00:20:51.170 the score to scoreboard. So the next, the other 00:20:51.170 --> 00:20:54.529 project, Contest Online Score. So we have designed 00:20:54.529 --> 00:21:01.059 such a way. so everybody can easily see a score 00:21:01.059 --> 00:21:05.500 in the browser. So you actually, it's one main 00:21:05.500 --> 00:21:08.920 page, which is actually the scoreboard with the 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:12.660 contest switcher. So you can see all the actual 00:21:12.660 --> 00:21:15.259 contests which is going to be, which is running 00:21:15.259 --> 00:21:19.420 right now or been recently closed. So you just 00:21:19.420 --> 00:21:22.500 choose your contest. click and you see there 00:21:22.500 --> 00:21:25.380 all the participants, you see the scoreboard 00:21:25.380 --> 00:21:32.500 of the contest. As I told, since we all are contesters, 00:21:32.900 --> 00:21:34.980 so behind to be a programmers we are contesters 00:21:34.980 --> 00:21:41.660 first and we try to design this page to be very 00:21:41.660 --> 00:21:47.380 easy and to watch and provide just only really 00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:54.380 provide just details really need a contestor. 00:21:54.500 --> 00:21:59.420 So we try contestor to concentrate on the data 00:21:59.420 --> 00:22:05.599 really needs to do the best in the contest. Okay, 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:09.559 so we try to avoid some additional things. So 00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:16.220 we don't provide some nice pictures so we don't 00:22:16.220 --> 00:22:23.259 provide some information which could not help 00:22:23.259 --> 00:22:27.200 to concentrate to the contest. So what's the 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:32.470 next? Also we have the set of the filters where 00:22:32.470 --> 00:22:35.410 you can narrow your search. For example, if you're 00:22:35.410 --> 00:22:41.170 running in the single operator high power category, 00:22:41.470 --> 00:22:43.710 so you can filter out the output and just to 00:22:43.710 --> 00:22:46.369 see your own category. So you don't need to see 00:22:46.369 --> 00:22:48.730 multi, you don't need to see QRP or something 00:22:48.730 --> 00:22:52.890 else. So you're concentrated just only on your 00:22:52.890 --> 00:23:00.640 real competitors. So what's the next we can suggest? 00:23:01.299 --> 00:23:04.420 So the next feature, it's a very exciting feature. 00:23:09.130 --> 00:23:13.009 it's graphic performance tools. So simply just 00:23:13.009 --> 00:23:17.289 clicking on someone call sign, so you can see 00:23:17.289 --> 00:23:22.029 the hourly rate. So you can easily evaluate how 00:23:22.029 --> 00:23:26.769 is this, that station doing, and you can instantly 00:23:26.769 --> 00:23:30.150 see your personal rate and compare this rate 00:23:30.150 --> 00:23:34.269 to the station, to your competitor. So you can 00:23:34.269 --> 00:23:37.569 compare the score. You can compare the number 00:23:37.569 --> 00:23:41.809 of quesos and you compare a multiplier as well 00:23:41.809 --> 00:23:47.849 So It's really cool tool I would say that because 00:23:47.849 --> 00:23:53.750 I use it very often and So all my friends I use 00:23:53.750 --> 00:23:58.250 in this scoreboard so and It's really easy to 00:23:58.250 --> 00:24:02.990 use easy to see scores in the browser. It's really 00:24:02.990 --> 00:24:08.559 fun to chase others. And as Randy told, this 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:16.619 is the thrill of the past. And other than that, 00:24:16.700 --> 00:24:19.940 this is the real tool so you can use for analysis 00:24:19.940 --> 00:24:24.900 of your personal performance. And so what I would 00:24:24.900 --> 00:24:28.619 just add to that one. So the more scoreboard 00:24:28.619 --> 00:24:33.150 users are going to be on the board, So the more 00:24:33.150 --> 00:24:38.910 fun for everyone. I totally agree. Uh, Randy, 00:24:38.950 --> 00:24:42.269 anything to add here before we go to break? Nope. 00:24:42.269 --> 00:24:44.470 I think that was said it, but it is true. The 00:24:44.470 --> 00:24:46.869 scores are up there for a while. So there was 00:24:46.869 --> 00:24:48.690 a big contest this last weekend called the North 00:24:48.690 --> 00:24:51.390 American QSO party. So if you go to contest online 00:24:51.390 --> 00:24:54.730 score .com and select a few more contests, you'll 00:24:54.730 --> 00:24:57.069 get a list. You select the, from the radio button 00:24:57.069 --> 00:24:59.710 and you can see all the scores, uh, what it looked 00:24:59.710 --> 00:25:03.039 like at the end. when everybody was done. And 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:05.420 that'll just give you a good idea to how the 00:25:05.420 --> 00:25:07.400 scoreboard feels and how it presents information. 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:09.819 And like Victor said, you click on a call sign 00:25:09.819 --> 00:25:13.579 and you see all the statistics. 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So this shows already happened but if 00:27:57.200 --> 00:28:00.200 you're listening live on Thursday night, please 00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:03.119 give us a call with your question or give us 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:08.420 a tweet and We'll see how this goes here. I already 00:28:08.420 --> 00:28:11.539 have a couple of questions that came in. One 00:28:11.539 --> 00:28:14.819 actually came in by email this morning from Germany. 00:28:15.619 --> 00:28:20.660 It's from Ed Durant, DD5LP. And Ed wants to know, 00:28:20.819 --> 00:28:24.500 how does your site compare to the one that was 00:28:24.500 --> 00:28:29.500 used in Germany for WRTC 2018 this past summer? 00:28:29.819 --> 00:28:33.180 And Ed comments that it was certainly a big hit. 00:28:34.710 --> 00:28:37.289 I think it was was Randy. You said you could 00:28:37.289 --> 00:28:42.210 take that one. Yes Okay. Yes, so WRTC for those 00:28:42.210 --> 00:28:44.869 who don't know stands for World Radio Sport Team 00:28:44.869 --> 00:28:47.490 Championship And this is a competition that happens 00:28:47.490 --> 00:28:50.549 every four years It's kind of like the Olympics 00:28:50.549 --> 00:28:52.990 and that there's a qualifying process and it's 00:28:52.990 --> 00:28:57.400 generally pretty high and high quality operators 00:28:57.400 --> 00:29:00.680 operating in teams of two, sitting in tents running 00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:04.140 100 watts with just some simple antennas and 00:29:04.140 --> 00:29:07.420 yet these guys made, a lot of them made 4 ,000 00:29:07.420 --> 00:29:11.059 contacts or more in 24 hours in Europe. So it's, 00:29:11.059 --> 00:29:13.259 like I said, it's pretty intense thing. What's 00:29:13.259 --> 00:29:14.720 interesting about it is there's a scoreboard 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:16.940 because everybody around the world is interested 00:29:16.940 --> 00:29:19.460 to see how their countrymen or their friends 00:29:19.460 --> 00:29:24.250 are doing in the competition. And so, Concept 00:29:24.250 --> 00:29:26.930 is very similar as people were logging contacts 00:29:26.930 --> 00:29:30.250 in the contest There was a score collection system 00:29:30.250 --> 00:29:33.089 that got their score and then through the cellular 00:29:33.089 --> 00:29:35.910 network sent it up to the server and the server 00:29:35.910 --> 00:29:39.529 displayed it now in There's a couple of twists 00:29:39.529 --> 00:29:47.109 in WRTC In WRTC, we want them to see who the 00:29:47.109 --> 00:29:48.849 operators are, but we don't want them to know 00:29:48.849 --> 00:29:51.430 what call sign they're using. So you'll see the 00:29:51.430 --> 00:29:54.210 scores listed by the operators call signs rather 00:29:54.210 --> 00:29:58.710 than on the air call sign. The other thing that's 00:29:58.710 --> 00:30:01.950 interesting is WRTC, even though it does a lot 00:30:01.950 --> 00:30:05.720 of work to share the scores, Does not let the 00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:08.480 operators themselves be able to see the scores 00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:10.420 So the operators are all still doing things the 00:30:10.420 --> 00:30:12.359 old -fashioned way where they're operating without 00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:14.319 being able to see their competitors And this 00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:16.819 is always a point of discussion every four years 00:30:16.819 --> 00:30:20.160 But the concepts are the same get the scores 00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:22.940 as people are operating get them up to the scoreboard 00:30:22.940 --> 00:30:26.640 and and in the case of WRTC there are usually 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.480 a lot of people we could call them fans friends 00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:32.440 and family and so on that are watching to see 00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:39.109 how they're their guys are doing. Okay, so Ed, 00:30:39.210 --> 00:30:42.529 there's your answer. Thanks for writing in. Victor, 00:30:42.549 --> 00:30:46.650 anything to add? No, no, no. This is a very good 00:30:46.650 --> 00:30:52.750 answer. Okay, and we have another question that 00:30:52.750 --> 00:30:55.950 came in by Twitter here from Dr. Scott Wright, 00:30:55.990 --> 00:31:00.849 KZeroMD, and he says that at Visalia last year, 00:31:01.029 --> 00:31:05.210 N180G suggested that eventually your standing 00:31:05.210 --> 00:31:09.930 could be displayed in N1MM Plus or any other 00:31:09.930 --> 00:31:14.029 logging program updated instantly from the scoreboard. 00:31:14.869 --> 00:31:18.609 For instance, maybe your number 56 out of 789 00:31:18.609 --> 00:31:22.410 or something in this category. So Scott wants 00:31:22.410 --> 00:31:26.609 to know how close are we to that becoming a reality? 00:31:28.650 --> 00:31:32.619 Yeah, actually, I can answer this question because 00:31:32.619 --> 00:31:38.480 this technology, so -called score in a logger, 00:31:39.099 --> 00:31:47.180 it already exists. I know a few loggers supporting 00:31:47.180 --> 00:31:51.700 this feature. Moreover, our scoring website also 00:31:51.700 --> 00:31:56.099 is supporting this feature, but just only for 00:31:56.099 --> 00:32:00.470 a few loggers having this feature. For example, 00:32:00.509 --> 00:32:07.289 as I know for today, there are such a logger's 00:32:07.289 --> 00:32:11.509 QR test and another one logger, which is the 00:32:11.509 --> 00:32:14.250 new one. It's very exciting. I like it. It's 00:32:14.250 --> 00:32:17.410 running on the Apple iOS operating system, which 00:32:17.410 --> 00:32:23.809 is RMLog. And we support them. And we see a lot 00:32:23.809 --> 00:32:28.289 of users using those loggers. And they're receiving 00:32:28.289 --> 00:32:32.220 the feed Feedback from our scoreboard. So after 00:32:32.220 --> 00:32:35.079 uploading scores, so they receive the feed from 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:39.279 us with the current standings are in the category 00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:43.460 Where is the logger is running? Okay, so we we 00:32:43.460 --> 00:32:46.579 know how that works We know that technology and 00:32:46.579 --> 00:32:50.000 as I told we have it already implemented at our 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:56.339 but talking about the future and So let's talk 00:32:56.339 --> 00:33:01.299 about how popular that could be So, we even did 00:33:01.299 --> 00:33:10.319 some poll on our weblog, so just visit our website 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:15.440 contestonlinescore .com, find out the blog link. 00:33:15.609 --> 00:33:20.009 go to our blog. It's a really good one, so I 00:33:20.009 --> 00:33:23.430 promise you're going to be very excited about 00:33:23.430 --> 00:33:29.950 how many documents we have over there. We try 00:33:29.950 --> 00:33:35.230 to use our weblog to communicate to contesters 00:33:35.230 --> 00:33:39.009 and just to give feedback on which features they 00:33:39.009 --> 00:33:44.910 would like to have to be implemented on our scoreboard. 00:33:44.910 --> 00:33:50.349 So in that weblog, we even created the polling 00:33:50.349 --> 00:33:58.670 asking about how contesters like this feature 00:33:58.670 --> 00:34:03.890 and should it be implemented or not. And we received 00:34:03.890 --> 00:34:07.190 a pretty exciting result. So the most of the 00:34:07.190 --> 00:34:12.889 people like this feature. So I would like just 00:34:12.889 --> 00:34:19.900 to... explain what is it and why it looks exciting, 00:34:20.260 --> 00:34:25.579 but there are some other ways of providing this 00:34:25.579 --> 00:34:30.599 information. For example, we have just only two 00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:35.320 loggers supporting this feature. As I know, the 00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:41.800 most popular loggers, they are really skeptical 00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:45.699 about this feature and I'm not sure so they're 00:34:45.699 --> 00:34:49.019 gonna implement it right away or within the next 00:34:49.019 --> 00:34:54.579 few months or within this year. We have alternative 00:34:54.579 --> 00:34:59.280 for that one. So if you go to our website we 00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:01.960 have two different templates. So the first one 00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:05.980 is good for desktops and another one is good 00:35:05.980 --> 00:35:12.980 for mobile devices. So even been using desktop, 00:35:13.420 --> 00:35:17.639 you can easily switch to mobile interface. And 00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:21.219 this mobile interface provides very small windows. 00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:27.219 You can integrate this small windows on your 00:35:27.219 --> 00:35:30.079 desktop within the other windows, for example, 00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:37.260 from N1MM or PLUS or another logger. Actually, 00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:41.000 this is absolutely the same feature. And what 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:46.480 I can add also, so this small windows, it's even 00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:49.960 been small, it has much more functionality than 00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:55.320 the feature we are discussing right now, so -called 00:35:55.320 --> 00:36:00.460 score in a logger. So this is my question and 00:36:00.460 --> 00:36:06.289 Randy can add or... explain something so I probably 00:36:06.289 --> 00:36:09.829 missed. Yeah I was glad you brought up the mobile 00:36:09.829 --> 00:36:12.869 version because this was a feature that I really 00:36:12.869 --> 00:36:15.869 wanted. On my screen when I'm in a contest I 00:36:15.869 --> 00:36:17.929 have a lot of windows up with multipliers and 00:36:17.929 --> 00:36:21.309 the logging and who I've talked to before and 00:36:21.309 --> 00:36:25.050 the score and so on but I wanted to see the scoreboard 00:36:25.050 --> 00:36:27.909 and so with the mobile version you can use it 00:36:27.909 --> 00:36:29.349 on your phone of course where you have a small 00:36:29.349 --> 00:36:32.010 screen but I use it by having a very small window 00:36:32.010 --> 00:36:35.889 off to one side of the of the screen that just 00:36:35.889 --> 00:36:38.710 showing the scoreboard in a very condensed fashion. 00:36:38.789 --> 00:36:41.489 And that's a great way to, I just usually have 00:36:41.489 --> 00:36:43.829 a few scores ahead of me and behind me so I can 00:36:43.829 --> 00:36:46.469 kind of keep myself in the middle and that helps 00:36:46.469 --> 00:36:50.789 me chase the next guy up the line. Okay, very 00:36:50.789 --> 00:36:53.409 good. Thank you, Scott, for the question. And 00:36:53.409 --> 00:36:58.610 the suggestion was in 980G, I may have said one, 00:36:58.789 --> 00:37:02.579 so my apologies if I messed up the... the number 00:37:02.579 --> 00:37:05.920 there. It's in 980G that was talking about that. 00:37:06.260 --> 00:37:10.480 So thank you Scott for your question tonight. 00:37:10.699 --> 00:37:14.559 We've got another one that's come in from Lauren 00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:20.630 Rascal. She says that this is great for non -hams 00:37:20.630 --> 00:37:24.489 to follow and cheer on Contesters that may not 00:37:24.489 --> 00:37:27.630 understand molts and bands and but they understand 00:37:27.630 --> 00:37:32.849 some numbers and some rankings so She also asks 00:37:32.849 --> 00:37:35.429 here. Have you found that the live scoreboard 00:37:35.429 --> 00:37:42.090 has attracted more youth into contesting? I'm 00:37:42.090 --> 00:37:45.010 not sure it's attracted more into but there's 00:37:45.010 --> 00:37:49.150 no question younger people find the scoreboard 00:37:49.150 --> 00:37:52.510 more fun. And I'm going to say, hopefully without 00:37:52.510 --> 00:37:55.190 making this sound bad, there's a lot of guys 00:37:55.190 --> 00:37:57.489 who are long -time contesters who kind of look 00:37:57.489 --> 00:37:59.150 at this and go, well, I don't want other people 00:37:59.150 --> 00:38:02.269 to know my score during the contest. But you 00:38:02.269 --> 00:38:05.489 find anybody under 40 years old and they can't 00:38:05.489 --> 00:38:10.070 imagine it being any other way. So I think I 00:38:10.070 --> 00:38:12.989 think we're seeing a change younger people they're 00:38:12.989 --> 00:38:16.510 used to gaming and so on they want to see how 00:38:16.510 --> 00:38:18.590 are we doing exactly what you described at the 00:38:18.590 --> 00:38:21.050 beginning the kids they want to know how we doing 00:38:21.050 --> 00:38:26.829 the zl3io Holger down in New Zealand his daughter 00:38:26.829 --> 00:38:31.309 is is active in contesting and He told a story 00:38:31.309 --> 00:38:33.889 one time where you know She was doing a contest 00:38:33.889 --> 00:38:35.389 and she went to sleep for a while and when she 00:38:35.389 --> 00:38:37.150 got up the first thing she wanted to see was 00:38:37.150 --> 00:38:39.429 the scoreboard You know, how am I doing? How 00:38:39.429 --> 00:38:42.869 far down the list that I fall? While I was asleep. 00:38:42.869 --> 00:38:47.150 So I think that just it shows people who see 00:38:47.150 --> 00:38:51.329 this more as a game than maybe as a as a hunting 00:38:51.329 --> 00:38:57.889 trip approach it differently. And we'll get in 00:38:57.889 --> 00:39:02.269 another plug here for the National Collegiate 00:39:02.269 --> 00:39:05.989 Championships, which we've got the phone and 00:39:05.989 --> 00:39:10.789 the ready this year. So that's actually coming 00:39:10.789 --> 00:39:15.510 up. They require the live scoreboard for theirs. 00:39:15.570 --> 00:39:19.269 Do you think that, you know, that's going to 00:39:19.269 --> 00:39:25.010 be more commonplace? actually I can answer this 00:39:25.010 --> 00:39:30.010 question and this is kind of question even within 00:39:30.010 --> 00:39:33.849 our team so we don't have the same opinion so 00:39:33.849 --> 00:39:38.010 we have a different opinion about that and so 00:39:38.010 --> 00:39:42.050 but anyway ours if if we have the different opinion 00:39:42.050 --> 00:39:45.570 so are it could be really interesting so my personal 00:39:45.570 --> 00:39:50.269 opinion so that this could be great And we're 00:39:50.269 --> 00:39:54.110 living in the 21st century. And we should use 00:39:54.110 --> 00:39:58.269 all the advantages the modern computer technique 00:39:58.269 --> 00:40:04.090 provides to us. And so we just started the online 00:40:04.090 --> 00:40:09.250 score, but we can improve it. So because using 00:40:09.250 --> 00:40:17.679 online scoring for everybody that for my opinion 00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:20.880 this is my personal opinion so it reduced the 00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:26.239 number of cheaters so it makes everything during 00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:29.199 the contest to be really transparent to others 00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:35.179 so everybody knows who is where and how is doing 00:40:35.179 --> 00:40:38.960 the everybody so this is my opinion so I have 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:43.559 another one opinion so it's a little bit early 00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:49.980 because even it even that looks really exciting 00:40:49.980 --> 00:40:54.920 but there are some people they don't like it 00:40:54.920 --> 00:41:00.599 and so if we if if you are going with with the 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:06.800 some kind of the mandatory regulation and asking 00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:10.699 everybody to use query board so the contest could 00:41:12.470 --> 00:41:16.010 So the activity could be lower after that. So 00:41:16.010 --> 00:41:19.070 we have the different opinions. They are a little 00:41:19.070 --> 00:41:21.489 bit different ones, and I'm pretty sure Randy 00:41:21.489 --> 00:41:28.980 has his own. Well, Randy? Yes, sure, sure. I 00:41:28.980 --> 00:41:31.119 think there's two things that are kind of in 00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:33.880 this conversation. One of them is just requiring 00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:36.260 people to use the scoreboard. And the other one 00:41:36.260 --> 00:41:39.059 is a really far out concept of why don't we require 00:41:39.059 --> 00:41:41.639 everybody to log to a central server and then 00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:44.380 everything could happen instantaneously and so 00:41:44.380 --> 00:41:46.739 on. So that's the future. We'll leave that out 00:41:46.739 --> 00:41:49.579 there. But as far as the Collegiate Championship 00:41:49.579 --> 00:41:53.159 goes, I think they're doing a couple of things. 00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:56.099 They're trying to get youth more engaged and 00:41:56.099 --> 00:42:00.500 more involved. college radio clubs and also using 00:42:00.500 --> 00:42:03.360 competition to do that. We've already talked 00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.059 about the fact that young people like to see 00:42:05.059 --> 00:42:07.780 how they're doing. I think it was a small step 00:42:07.780 --> 00:42:10.159 to say, hey, if you're in the collegiate championship, 00:42:10.380 --> 00:42:14.480 you should post your score so we can all know 00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:17.579 how we're all doing and we can see our competitors 00:42:17.579 --> 00:42:23.820 on the field and so on. It'll jazz things up 00:42:23.820 --> 00:42:28.199 a little bit and make it more fun. That's really 00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:30.760 what's there is just to try to motivate people 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:33.380 to get on and be visible that they're participating 00:42:33.380 --> 00:42:37.480 in the Collegiate Championship. And this is an 00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:38.940 easy way to do it. It doesn't cost anything. 00:42:38.980 --> 00:42:41.219 We've already put all the infrastructure in place. 00:42:42.539 --> 00:42:46.260 A related thing I'll just bring up. Part of the 00:42:46.260 --> 00:42:49.440 contest online score site is the ability for 00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:52.900 you to create your own teams. So if you have 00:42:52.900 --> 00:42:56.380 a club and you say, well, these five guys are 00:42:56.380 --> 00:42:59.789 going to be the You know East River team and 00:42:59.789 --> 00:43:01.570 these other five guys are going to be the West 00:43:01.570 --> 00:43:05.269 River team They can create their these teams 00:43:05.269 --> 00:43:07.809 of five people or ten people or however many 00:43:07.809 --> 00:43:10.789 they want and Now on the scoreboard as they're 00:43:10.789 --> 00:43:12.809 putting their score in we also have a separate 00:43:12.809 --> 00:43:16.329 page where we show how the teams are doing and 00:43:16.329 --> 00:43:19.829 It's a great way for you to create some intra 00:43:19.829 --> 00:43:23.409 club rivalry where now these teams are kind of 00:43:23.409 --> 00:43:25.889 competing based on their total of all the participants 00:43:25.889 --> 00:43:28.630 instead of each guy being by himself. So their 00:43:28.630 --> 00:43:30.769 scores will still show up individually and then 00:43:30.769 --> 00:43:33.449 they'll also show up on the on the team page. 00:43:34.010 --> 00:43:37.449 So once you have the tools there's a lot of interesting 00:43:37.449 --> 00:43:40.489 things that can be done with the data and Victor's 00:43:40.489 --> 00:43:42.550 great at coming up with ways to program them 00:43:42.550 --> 00:43:49.179 and present them. interviewing a couple of people 00:43:49.179 --> 00:43:54.949 from the National Collegiate contest. last year 00:43:54.949 --> 00:43:58.909 for my, uh, next gen contesters column in NCJ, 00:43:58.949 --> 00:44:02.150 uh, you know, they said, Oh, that was, that was 00:44:02.150 --> 00:44:05.150 what really drove them was, you know, they saw 00:44:05.150 --> 00:44:07.929 that, okay, well, you know, Georgia tech's out 00:44:07.929 --> 00:44:09.969 in front, you know, and we got to, we got to 00:44:09.969 --> 00:44:12.690 catch them and, and, you know, and it really 00:44:12.690 --> 00:44:15.750 drove what was going on. And so they, they really 00:44:15.750 --> 00:44:18.469 like that it's required because they can see, 00:44:18.829 --> 00:44:21.550 you know, what, what all's going on. And so, 00:44:21.550 --> 00:44:24.610 you know, that may just be a. a growing process 00:44:24.610 --> 00:44:28.389 over time. Maybe it's not going to be required 00:44:28.389 --> 00:44:32.030 for everything, but I think the collegiate contests 00:44:32.030 --> 00:44:35.550 are a good place to start. Yeah, it makes a lot 00:44:35.550 --> 00:44:37.630 of sense. And besides, who wants to do a contest 00:44:37.630 --> 00:44:39.469 and then find out three months later that you 00:44:39.469 --> 00:44:42.480 lost? It's like if we're losing, we want to know 00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:47.980 now. We can do something about it now. Oh, very 00:44:47.980 --> 00:44:51.780 good. Well, we are just about out of time here. 00:44:52.019 --> 00:44:57.079 So let me check the tweets once again, make sure 00:44:57.079 --> 00:45:01.760 we've got everybody in here. But why don't we 00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:06.139 just go around for some last comments here before 00:45:06.139 --> 00:45:09.280 we go. But we are going to wrap things up here. 00:45:10.510 --> 00:45:14.170 So Victor, why don't you go first? Anything else 00:45:14.170 --> 00:45:18.989 that you want to add in here tonight? I would 00:45:18.989 --> 00:45:21.989 like to say again, great thanks to you, Neil. 00:45:22.929 --> 00:45:26.269 It's very exciting to communicate. So I would 00:45:26.269 --> 00:45:30.429 like to add just only one thing. So we started 00:45:30.429 --> 00:45:37.989 this project to be the project driven by harm 00:45:37.989 --> 00:45:42.809 community and we try to do the best to provide 00:45:42.809 --> 00:45:46.550 the better server service for the harm community. 00:45:47.429 --> 00:45:52.309 So I just want to have to receive the feedback 00:45:52.309 --> 00:45:58.010 from everybody who uses scoreboard, everybody 00:45:58.010 --> 00:46:00.929 who has an equation. Please don't hesitate to 00:46:00.929 --> 00:46:07.519 contact us. We have a beautiful We allow to put 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:11.099 your comments over there. Use email address. 00:46:11.699 --> 00:46:16.320 Use everything you wish because we want to receive 00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:22.199 your feedback because we live and we design everything 00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:25.599 for you. So that's very, very important for us. 00:46:26.099 --> 00:46:30.800 So once again, the website URL contestonlinescorer 00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:37.219 .com. find out everything on the website if you 00:46:37.219 --> 00:46:41.880 still don't please contact us okay and I've got 00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:44.360 a piece of feedback for you that just came in 00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:47.500 Tom crow says love the idea of a live scoreboard 00:46:47.500 --> 00:46:51.179 and thanks so there you go there's some some 00:46:51.179 --> 00:46:55.610 feedback already okay Randy last words Sure, 00:46:55.610 --> 00:46:58.630 I when I was younger and did these contests really 00:46:58.630 --> 00:47:00.570 seriously I knew I was gonna be in the chair 00:47:00.570 --> 00:47:03.349 for 24 hours or 40 something hours or whatever 00:47:03.349 --> 00:47:06.349 You were a full out all the time no matter what? 00:47:06.789 --> 00:47:09.809 But now as I'm older I find that I can't do that 00:47:09.809 --> 00:47:12.389 anymore So I like to operate part -time and I'll 00:47:12.389 --> 00:47:14.289 come in and operate three or four hours go do 00:47:14.289 --> 00:47:16.070 some errands come back and operate some more 00:47:16.070 --> 00:47:18.889 and the scoreboard has just completely changed 00:47:18.889 --> 00:47:22.289 the game because now Always have something to 00:47:22.289 --> 00:47:24.769 compete against I can break the contest into 00:47:24.769 --> 00:47:27.070 little pieces like okay I sat down these guys 00:47:27.070 --> 00:47:28.750 that were behind me are now ahead of me. I'm 00:47:28.750 --> 00:47:32.929 gonna go catch them so it's fantastic motivation, 00:47:32.929 --> 00:47:36.329 especially when you're part -time and There's 00:47:36.329 --> 00:47:38.789 just to me nothing more fun than kind of passing 00:47:38.789 --> 00:47:41.849 the guy ahead of me and trying to stay ahead 00:47:41.849 --> 00:47:44.650 of them and it just takes something that could 00:47:44.650 --> 00:47:49.829 be You can see the other competitors and race 00:47:49.829 --> 00:47:52.570 against them and it just makes it a lot more 00:47:52.570 --> 00:47:56.789 fun. I appreciate the opportunity to speak here 00:47:56.789 --> 00:47:59.570 and hope to see people on the air. It's all about 00:47:59.570 --> 00:48:01.670 getting on the radio and work with as many guys 00:48:01.670 --> 00:48:06.570 as you can. Alright, very good. Well, I said 00:48:06.570 --> 00:48:10.269 you were going to get the last word and Dr. Scott 00:48:10.269 --> 00:48:13.849 Wright, KZeroMD. snuck a question in here so 00:48:13.849 --> 00:48:16.630 this is for you randy what can we do to make 00:48:16.630 --> 00:48:19.530 live contest scores or contest results available 00:48:19.530 --> 00:48:22.969 within a few hours of the end of the contest 00:48:22.969 --> 00:48:26.190 and and scott says we agree no one wants to wait 00:48:26.190 --> 00:48:29.389 months to learn the winners like we do now can 00:48:29.389 --> 00:48:32.429 can contest score checking be made to be near 00:48:32.429 --> 00:48:35.710 real time so that we can at least uh you know 00:48:35.710 --> 00:48:38.809 make them available as soon as possible Well, 00:48:38.809 --> 00:48:41.010 I think the scoreboard does a lot of that you 00:48:41.010 --> 00:48:42.949 just one of these in the scoreboard today You 00:48:42.949 --> 00:48:45.170 don't have every score. You just have the people 00:48:45.170 --> 00:48:49.130 who are contributing In a lot of contests now 00:48:49.130 --> 00:48:52.630 you there are places people can we have a pretty 00:48:52.630 --> 00:48:54.869 good idea what the results are within about 48 00:48:54.869 --> 00:48:57.389 hours just from people self -reporting and so 00:48:57.389 --> 00:49:01.909 on but Someday in the future it'll get to the 00:49:01.909 --> 00:49:03.570 point where you finish the contest and you're 00:49:03.570 --> 00:49:06.230 gonna click a couple of keys on your laptop and 00:49:06.230 --> 00:49:09.460 or your logging computer and The data will all 00:49:09.460 --> 00:49:12.579 be transmitted to a server and all the checking 00:49:12.579 --> 00:49:15.380 is done by a computer and the results spit out. 00:49:16.099 --> 00:49:19.199 But today we're still waiting for people to get 00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:21.380 home from the contest and then get the log off 00:49:21.380 --> 00:49:23.440 their computer and then mail it to us and then 00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:25.639 some people still send us paper logs. So there's 00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:28.219 lots of things that are just putting a little 00:49:28.219 --> 00:49:32.510 bit of sand in the gears to slow them down. Someday, 00:49:32.510 --> 00:49:36.210 it'll get faster. Yeah, this is just a question 00:49:36.210 --> 00:49:38.329 of time. When I think about paper logs, I'm just 00:49:38.329 --> 00:49:42.889 like, really? But they happen. They do. They 00:49:42.889 --> 00:49:46.269 still come in. They still do. And you know what? 00:49:46.369 --> 00:49:49.070 We want people to get on. And if that's the mode 00:49:49.070 --> 00:49:50.949 that they're comfortable in operating, by all 00:49:50.949 --> 00:49:55.750 means. Yeah. You know, we got to take them. Because, 00:49:55.750 --> 00:50:00.429 you know, that may be the only option. why it's 00:50:00.429 --> 00:50:04.190 uh it's so much better with the computer uh victor 00:50:04.190 --> 00:50:06.809 what were you what were you going to say there 00:50:06.809 --> 00:50:10.289 yeah i just saw so this is just question of time 00:50:10.289 --> 00:50:13.190 so everything is changing and you see it's always 00:50:13.190 --> 00:50:18.210 improving so now we have some things uh we could 00:50:18.210 --> 00:50:21.380 not even All right. Dream about just a few years 00:50:21.380 --> 00:50:24.199 ago. So I think it's going to be one day. So 00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:26.980 the contestant going to be, uh, the contest results 00:50:26.980 --> 00:50:30.000 are going to be available within, uh, five, 10, 00:50:30.099 --> 00:50:33.840 15 minutes right after the contest. So I think 00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:38.059 it's going to be very good. Okay. Well, that's 00:50:38.059 --> 00:50:41.519 going to do it for tonight. So guys, thanks so 00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:44.559 much for coming on the show. You're welcome. 00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:46.900 It was a pleasure. Yeah. Thank you very much. 00:50:46.980 --> 00:50:50.250 That was great. Alright, well that is a wrap! 00:50:50.590 --> 00:50:53.530 For this week's edition of ham talk live thanks 00:50:53.530 --> 00:50:58.690 to my guests Victor and Rossoff VA to WA and 00:50:58.690 --> 00:51:02.170 Randy Thompson k5 ZD and everybody out there 00:51:02.170 --> 00:51:05.150 in cyberspace for listening and writing in tonight 00:51:05.150 --> 00:51:08.369 and Invite you back next Thursday night at 9 00:51:08.369 --> 00:51:12.590 p .m. 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