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at PL -259 .com. Well, our guests tonight, we
had one that is ill and not able to be with us,
but we have Victor and Randy tonight. Victor
and Drossoff VA2WA. is from Boucherville, Quebec,
and that's northeast of Montreal. He's been licensed
since 1986, and he also uses the call VE2EKA
for CQ Zone 2 activity only and VC2A and VC2W
during WPX contests. He's a member of the contest
group of Quebec and was a referee for WRTC in
2014 and 2018. He has nine -band DXCC with one
six 30 17 and 12 five band worked all states
DXCC the challenge and worked all zones on 160
and Five band worked all zones and Randy Thompson
k5z D is from Uxbridge, Massachusetts Just southwest
of Boston. He became a ham at the age of 13 in
1973 and he's originally from Houston, Texas
He's a member of the CQ magazine contest Hall
of Fame and the past director of the CQ worldwide
contest Randy's regarded as one of the top contesters
in the world has been an integral part of the
world radio sport team championships as a competitor
and an organizer He's also a past editor and
publisher of the National Contest Journal. And
Bruce Horn, WA7BNM from Studio City, California.
He's the... programmer of contestcalendar .com
and National Contest Journal and Secretary -Treasurer
of the Southern California Contesting Club. But
he is under the weather tonight, so we wish Bruce
to get well soon. And sorry that he can't be
with us tonight. But Victor and Randy, thanks
for coming on the show. Thanks for having us.
Well, we're like I said my apologies for kind
of limping through the The phone upgrades here,
but this is all going to be a lot better when
we get all the bugs worked out and We do have
a little bit of a bug with people on the cell
phone may not be able to hear You guys so I'll
have to do a relay I guess is what we'll do tonight
if we need to if that if that doesn't work, but
Let's go ahead and talk a little bit about this
live contest scoring. And one of the frustrations
that I run into with some of the contests and
some that we're not supposed to call contests,
operating activities that we do at school where
I teach is that the students want to know how
they did at the end. You know, we work up and
we're Cutting down to the last minute and we're
trying to get that last contact in there and
then it's over and then it's like and How did
we do and I say well a few months from now. We'll
find out So tell us how this on live online live
scoring system Not only allows you how you know
to know how you did at the end, but also the
whole way through. So, Victor, why don't you
take that one? Yes, hi, Neil. At first, I'd like
to thank you for the invitation to the HEM Talk
Live. That's actually a great honor. So, regarding
your question, that's a very good question. So,
regarding the frustration when you're just doing
a contest without any scoring, So I think we're
missing a lot of excitement during every contest
Maybe a double RTC that maybe accept double RTC
So their online scoring could give a new life
to contest in so I believe it could convert an
ordinary contest to a reality show so I would
say there are a few different features everybody
could enjoy. For example, the first, the main
feature, so now everybody can see how it really
goes. It's very important to have a real -time
personal progress evaluation based on personal
score and scores of others. So you always know
where you are, you always know where your competitors
are. So the next, I would say, it always gives
you an extra motivation. We all know that moment
when in the middle of the contest, so when you...
been really exhausted so you ask yourself what
the hell I'm doing here and once yeah and once
you see those and those and other guys doing
the same and you see that some of them are doing
better than you that would definitely motivate
you to stay in the chair and to do your best
and so that really works because I I start using
online scoring Few years ago and I would say
so the motivation is much higher much better.
And so the most important thing so my results
Getting better and better from one contest to
another one. So the last feature I like online
scoring for this is You can improve a personal
skill so You can watch others, so you can watch
more experienced guys. Regarding our project,
Contest Online Scoreboard, we provide advanced
graphic tools, so you can easily see the hourly
rates. of everybody who is on the scoreboard.
So you always can compare your personal score
to someone else. And that's definitely work to
get you on the better position and to get the
better results. So this kind of feature, so just
watch and learn in real time. And I'm pretty
sure Randy have something to add to that one.
Yeah, let's um, so there's a lot you mentioned
a lot of great reasons why somebody would want
to look at a scoreboard during the contest But
let's back up a little bit and help people understand
what's going on Today a lot of people, you know
in a contest the goals work as many people as
you can and as many different multipliers or
countries or states or whatever the rules are
As possible in the time that you have and a lot
of people to keep track of everything they use
a computer So they know who they've talked to
before and it's keeping track of the score and
they can see it on their screen but it's a little
bit like running a race where you can't see anybody
else. You just know what your score is and you
may feel you're doing good, but you don't know.
After the contest, you send your log in and you
wait some amount of time for the sponsor to do
all the cross -checking. They may produce a preliminary
score like here's what people turned in and then
later on they'll predict the final results and
sometimes this can take a long time. So what
we do with the scoreboard is the same computer
that you're using to do your logging, whatever
program you're using. All the popular ones support
this. In the background, if you're connected
to the internet, you can set it up so that your
logging software will send your score to the
contest online scoreboard. And we have a server
there that receives these scores and then posts
them onto a web page. So at any time, you can
look at the web page and the web page is constantly
updating. new scores are coming in and it's listing
everything in order so you can just you can find
your call and see how you're doing and to me
some of the things that make it exciting that
Victor talked about was you know you have a certain
score and maybe you get a bunch of contacts in
a five -minute period or something your score
goes up and you can look at the scoreboard and
you see that you passed someone on the board
or maybe you see they passed you and so that's
where the motivation comes from because now instead
of running a race where you have no idea how
you're doing you can actually see the guy oh
he's just a few just a few points in front of
me if i just work a little harder i'll be able
to catch up with him so in the end that's what
it's that's what generates the excitement and
i know for for me personally there's been many
contests where i i sit down just to play around
and then i get to watching some guys on the scoreboard
that are ahead of me and i start chasing them
and chasing the next thing i know it's It's four
or five hours later. My wife is yelling at me
Why I didn't think there was a contest this weekend
and so on so it can be very seductive. So So
be careful But another great thing is when you
do a multi -op where you have multiple operators
come over and maybe the guys go home At night
or they go home to take a nap or something Well,
they can still follow how you're doing by looking
at the scoreboard So it really helps in a multi
-op situation because now everybody can can stay
involved whether they're operating or not Well,
Randy, why don't you talk a little bit about,
and we can get Victor in on this, too, if we
need, talk a little bit about how that setup
goes. Some people may not be familiar with the
setup in N1, MN +, or in 3FJP, or whatever. or
log software they're using for contesting on
how to configure it to send all of that information.
So could you walk us through a little bit of
how to do that? Sure. So one of the great things
is the logging software developers have done
most of the work for you. So it turns out to
be pretty simple. If you go to the website, which
is contestonlinescore .com, even though we say
contest online scoreboard all the time, the URL
is contestonlinescore .com. And there's a place
where it says help with logger setup. And if
you go there, it lists all the different loggers
that are supported and then instructions for
each one of them. And it turns out to be pretty
simple. For example, in N1MM +, you go to configuration,
to the score reporting tab, and then there's
a checkbox where you say, I want to report my
score, and then you select the score reporting
server that you want to use. We recommend using
the score distributor server, which we can talk
about. That's what the WA7 BNM developed. Once
you've done that, Your logging software will
start sending scores to the distributor server
and they'll automatically start showing up in
the scoreboard So you can see immediately that
everything got connected up, but it's really
that simple one checkbox and a drop down Yeah,
that's correct. It's very easy just few clicks
Yeah, go ahead Victor anything else you want.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry
Okay, so I just want to add some mighty words
to that. So it's really easy. Usually it's just
few clicks for the most Loggers, so actually
we support 11 most popular loggers including
n1 mm plus entry FJP write log the xlog and others.
So we have a very good document, so the Randy
told where is it. So we have a very detailed
instruction how to set up a logger. Also, just
in case if someone still cannot get it online,
so there is always way just to send an email
to technical support to our web team, which is
admin at contestonlinescore .com, so we always
will be happy to help you. You can actually try
things even before the contest starts. There's
a way to test everything out. Yeah, that's a
really good point. Don't do that a few minutes
before the contest. This is the most our mistake.
And so usually we receive a lot of, uh, question
after the contest, you know what? So I tried
to do something, but it's, uh, it, it didn't
work. So, uh, what we did wrong, but the contest
is over already. Yeah, a very good, uh, point.
So, uh, let's look a little bit at the live scores
that are there. Uh, Victor, how would somebody
Be able to take a look and see where they are
in the contest or maybe you're not in that contest,
but you just want to watch and see how your friends
are doing or something. Uh, how do you go and
see those scores? Uh, yeah. So as, as we already
told, uh, is, uh, it's, it's very easy to configure.
to set up your logger and just to go to the online
scoreboard. So it's even people who doesn't know
are pretty well the PC, the computer technique
once you've been able to set up your logger.
So definitely you can set up your logger to send
the score to scoreboard. So the next, the other
project, Contest Online Score. So we have designed
such a way. so everybody can easily see a score
in the browser. So you actually, it's one main
page, which is actually the scoreboard with the
contest switcher. So you can see all the actual
contests which is going to be, which is running
right now or been recently closed. So you just
choose your contest. click and you see there
all the participants, you see the scoreboard
of the contest. As I told, since we all are contesters,
so behind to be a programmers we are contesters
first and we try to design this page to be very
easy and to watch and provide just only really
provide just details really need a contestor.
So we try contestor to concentrate on the data
really needs to do the best in the contest. Okay,
so we try to avoid some additional things. So
we don't provide some nice pictures so we don't
provide some information which could not help
to concentrate to the contest. So what's the
next? Also we have the set of the filters where
you can narrow your search. For example, if you're
running in the single operator high power category,
so you can filter out the output and just to
see your own category. So you don't need to see
multi, you don't need to see QRP or something
else. So you're concentrated just only on your
real competitors. So what's the next we can suggest?
So the next feature, it's a very exciting feature.
it's graphic performance tools. So simply just
clicking on someone call sign, so you can see
the hourly rate. So you can easily evaluate how
is this, that station doing, and you can instantly
see your personal rate and compare this rate
to the station, to your competitor. So you can
compare the score. You can compare the number
of quesos and you compare a multiplier as well
So It's really cool tool I would say that because
I use it very often and So all my friends I use
in this scoreboard so and It's really easy to
use easy to see scores in the browser. It's really
fun to chase others. And as Randy told, this
is the thrill of the past. And other than that,
this is the real tool so you can use for analysis
of your personal performance. And so what I would
just add to that one. So the more scoreboard
users are going to be on the board, So the more
fun for everyone. I totally agree. Uh, Randy,
anything to add here before we go to break? Nope.
I think that was said it, but it is true. The
scores are up there for a while. So there was
a big contest this last weekend called the North
American QSO party. So if you go to contest online
score .com and select a few more contests, you'll
get a list. You select the, from the radio button
and you can see all the scores, uh, what it looked
like at the end. when everybody was done. And
that'll just give you a good idea to how the
scoreboard feels and how it presents information.
And like Victor said, you click on a call sign
and you see all the statistics. All right some
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have a couple of questions that came in. One
actually came in by email this morning from Germany.
It's from Ed Durant, DD5LP. And Ed wants to know,
how does your site compare to the one that was
used in Germany for WRTC 2018 this past summer?
And Ed comments that it was certainly a big hit.
I think it was was Randy. You said you could
take that one. Yes Okay. Yes, so WRTC for those
who don't know stands for World Radio Sport Team
Championship And this is a competition that happens
every four years It's kind of like the Olympics
and that there's a qualifying process and it's
generally pretty high and high quality operators
operating in teams of two, sitting in tents running
100 watts with just some simple antennas and
yet these guys made, a lot of them made 4 ,000
contacts or more in 24 hours in Europe. So it's,
like I said, it's pretty intense thing. What's
interesting about it is there's a scoreboard
because everybody around the world is interested
to see how their countrymen or their friends
are doing in the competition. And so, Concept
is very similar as people were logging contacts
in the contest There was a score collection system
that got their score and then through the cellular
network sent it up to the server and the server
displayed it now in There's a couple of twists
in WRTC In WRTC, we want them to see who the
operators are, but we don't want them to know
what call sign they're using. So you'll see the
scores listed by the operators call signs rather
than on the air call sign. The other thing that's
interesting is WRTC, even though it does a lot
of work to share the scores, Does not let the
operators themselves be able to see the scores
So the operators are all still doing things the
old -fashioned way where they're operating without
being able to see their competitors And this
is always a point of discussion every four years
But the concepts are the same get the scores
as people are operating get them up to the scoreboard
and and in the case of WRTC there are usually
a lot of people we could call them fans friends
and family and so on that are watching to see
how they're their guys are doing. Okay, so Ed,
there's your answer. Thanks for writing in. Victor,
anything to add? No, no, no. This is a very good
answer. Okay, and we have another question that
came in by Twitter here from Dr. Scott Wright,
KZeroMD, and he says that at Visalia last year,
N180G suggested that eventually your standing
could be displayed in N1MM Plus or any other
logging program updated instantly from the scoreboard.
For instance, maybe your number 56 out of 789
or something in this category. So Scott wants
to know how close are we to that becoming a reality?
Yeah, actually, I can answer this question because
this technology, so -called score in a logger,
it already exists. I know a few loggers supporting
this feature. Moreover, our scoring website also
is supporting this feature, but just only for
a few loggers having this feature. For example,
as I know for today, there are such a logger's
QR test and another one logger, which is the
new one. It's very exciting. I like it. It's
running on the Apple iOS operating system, which
is RMLog. And we support them. And we see a lot
of users using those loggers. And they're receiving
the feed Feedback from our scoreboard. So after
uploading scores, so they receive the feed from
us with the current standings are in the category
Where is the logger is running? Okay, so we we
know how that works We know that technology and
as I told we have it already implemented at our
but talking about the future and So let's talk
about how popular that could be So, we even did
some poll on our weblog, so just visit our website
contestonlinescore .com, find out the blog link.
go to our blog. It's a really good one, so I
promise you're going to be very excited about
how many documents we have over there. We try
to use our weblog to communicate to contesters
and just to give feedback on which features they
would like to have to be implemented on our scoreboard.
So in that weblog, we even created the polling
asking about how contesters like this feature
and should it be implemented or not. And we received
a pretty exciting result. So the most of the
people like this feature. So I would like just
to... explain what is it and why it looks exciting,
but there are some other ways of providing this
information. For example, we have just only two
loggers supporting this feature. As I know, the
most popular loggers, they are really skeptical
about this feature and I'm not sure so they're
gonna implement it right away or within the next
few months or within this year. We have alternative
for that one. So if you go to our website we
have two different templates. So the first one
is good for desktops and another one is good
for mobile devices. So even been using desktop,
you can easily switch to mobile interface. And
this mobile interface provides very small windows.
You can integrate this small windows on your
desktop within the other windows, for example,
from N1MM or PLUS or another logger. Actually,
this is absolutely the same feature. And what
I can add also, so this small windows, it's even
been small, it has much more functionality than
the feature we are discussing right now, so -called
score in a logger. So this is my question and
Randy can add or... explain something so I probably
missed. Yeah I was glad you brought up the mobile
version because this was a feature that I really
wanted. On my screen when I'm in a contest I
have a lot of windows up with multipliers and
the logging and who I've talked to before and
the score and so on but I wanted to see the scoreboard
and so with the mobile version you can use it
on your phone of course where you have a small
screen but I use it by having a very small window
off to one side of the of the screen that just
showing the scoreboard in a very condensed fashion.
And that's a great way to, I just usually have
a few scores ahead of me and behind me so I can
kind of keep myself in the middle and that helps
me chase the next guy up the line. Okay, very
good. Thank you, Scott, for the question. And
the suggestion was in 980G, I may have said one,
so my apologies if I messed up the... the number
there. It's in 980G that was talking about that.
So thank you Scott for your question tonight.
We've got another one that's come in from Lauren
Rascal. She says that this is great for non -hams
to follow and cheer on Contesters that may not
understand molts and bands and but they understand
some numbers and some rankings so She also asks
here. Have you found that the live scoreboard
has attracted more youth into contesting? I'm
not sure it's attracted more into but there's
no question younger people find the scoreboard
more fun. And I'm going to say, hopefully without
making this sound bad, there's a lot of guys
who are long -time contesters who kind of look
at this and go, well, I don't want other people
to know my score during the contest. But you
find anybody under 40 years old and they can't
imagine it being any other way. So I think I
think we're seeing a change younger people they're
used to gaming and so on they want to see how
are we doing exactly what you described at the
beginning the kids they want to know how we doing
the zl3io Holger down in New Zealand his daughter
is is active in contesting and He told a story
one time where you know She was doing a contest
and she went to sleep for a while and when she
got up the first thing she wanted to see was
the scoreboard You know, how am I doing? How
far down the list that I fall? While I was asleep.
So I think that just it shows people who see
this more as a game than maybe as a as a hunting
trip approach it differently. And we'll get in
another plug here for the National Collegiate
Championships, which we've got the phone and
the ready this year. So that's actually coming
up. They require the live scoreboard for theirs.
Do you think that, you know, that's going to
be more commonplace? actually I can answer this
question and this is kind of question even within
our team so we don't have the same opinion so
we have a different opinion about that and so
but anyway ours if if we have the different opinion
so are it could be really interesting so my personal
opinion so that this could be great And we're
living in the 21st century. And we should use
all the advantages the modern computer technique
provides to us. And so we just started the online
score, but we can improve it. So because using
online scoring for everybody that for my opinion
this is my personal opinion so it reduced the
number of cheaters so it makes everything during
the contest to be really transparent to others
so everybody knows who is where and how is doing
the everybody so this is my opinion so I have
another one opinion so it's a little bit early
because even it even that looks really exciting
but there are some people they don't like it
and so if we if if you are going with with the
some kind of the mandatory regulation and asking
everybody to use query board so the contest could
So the activity could be lower after that. So
we have the different opinions. They are a little
bit different ones, and I'm pretty sure Randy
has his own. Well, Randy? Yes, sure, sure. I
think there's two things that are kind of in
this conversation. One of them is just requiring
people to use the scoreboard. And the other one
is a really far out concept of why don't we require
everybody to log to a central server and then
everything could happen instantaneously and so
on. So that's the future. We'll leave that out
there. But as far as the Collegiate Championship
goes, I think they're doing a couple of things.
They're trying to get youth more engaged and
more involved. college radio clubs and also using
competition to do that. We've already talked
about the fact that young people like to see
how they're doing. I think it was a small step
to say, hey, if you're in the collegiate championship,
you should post your score so we can all know
how we're all doing and we can see our competitors
on the field and so on. It'll jazz things up
a little bit and make it more fun. That's really
what's there is just to try to motivate people
to get on and be visible that they're participating
in the Collegiate Championship. And this is an
easy way to do it. It doesn't cost anything.
We've already put all the infrastructure in place.
A related thing I'll just bring up. Part of the
contest online score site is the ability for
you to create your own teams. So if you have
a club and you say, well, these five guys are
going to be the You know East River team and
these other five guys are going to be the West
River team They can create their these teams
of five people or ten people or however many
they want and Now on the scoreboard as they're
putting their score in we also have a separate
page where we show how the teams are doing and
It's a great way for you to create some intra
club rivalry where now these teams are kind of
competing based on their total of all the participants
instead of each guy being by himself. So their
scores will still show up individually and then
they'll also show up on the on the team page.
So once you have the tools there's a lot of interesting
things that can be done with the data and Victor's
great at coming up with ways to program them
and present them. interviewing a couple of people
from the National Collegiate contest. last year
for my, uh, next gen contesters column in NCJ,
uh, you know, they said, Oh, that was, that was
what really drove them was, you know, they saw
that, okay, well, you know, Georgia tech's out
in front, you know, and we got to, we got to
catch them and, and, you know, and it really
drove what was going on. And so they, they really
like that it's required because they can see,
you know, what, what all's going on. And so,
you know, that may just be a. a growing process
over time. Maybe it's not going to be required
for everything, but I think the collegiate contests
are a good place to start. Yeah, it makes a lot
of sense. And besides, who wants to do a contest
and then find out three months later that you
lost? It's like if we're losing, we want to know
now. We can do something about it now. Oh, very
good. Well, we are just about out of time here.
So let me check the tweets once again, make sure
we've got everybody in here. But why don't we
just go around for some last comments here before
we go. But we are going to wrap things up here.
So Victor, why don't you go first? Anything else
that you want to add in here tonight? I would
like to say again, great thanks to you, Neil.
It's very exciting to communicate. So I would
like to add just only one thing. So we started
this project to be the project driven by harm
community and we try to do the best to provide
the better server service for the harm community.
So I just want to have to receive the feedback
from everybody who uses scoreboard, everybody
who has an equation. Please don't hesitate to
contact us. We have a beautiful We allow to put
your comments over there. Use email address.
Use everything you wish because we want to receive
your feedback because we live and we design everything
for you. So that's very, very important for us.
So once again, the website URL contestonlinescorer
.com. find out everything on the website if you
still don't please contact us okay and I've got
a piece of feedback for you that just came in
Tom crow says love the idea of a live scoreboard
and thanks so there you go there's some some
feedback already okay Randy last words Sure,
I when I was younger and did these contests really
seriously I knew I was gonna be in the chair
for 24 hours or 40 something hours or whatever
You were a full out all the time no matter what?
But now as I'm older I find that I can't do that
anymore So I like to operate part -time and I'll
come in and operate three or four hours go do
some errands come back and operate some more
and the scoreboard has just completely changed
the game because now Always have something to
compete against I can break the contest into
little pieces like okay I sat down these guys
that were behind me are now ahead of me. I'm
gonna go catch them so it's fantastic motivation,
especially when you're part -time and There's
just to me nothing more fun than kind of passing
the guy ahead of me and trying to stay ahead
of them and it just takes something that could
be You can see the other competitors and race
against them and it just makes it a lot more
fun. I appreciate the opportunity to speak here
and hope to see people on the air. It's all about
getting on the radio and work with as many guys
as you can. Alright, very good. Well, I said
you were going to get the last word and Dr. Scott
Wright, KZeroMD. snuck a question in here so
this is for you randy what can we do to make
live contest scores or contest results available
within a few hours of the end of the contest
and and scott says we agree no one wants to wait
months to learn the winners like we do now can
can contest score checking be made to be near
real time so that we can at least uh you know
make them available as soon as possible Well,
I think the scoreboard does a lot of that you
just one of these in the scoreboard today You
don't have every score. You just have the people
who are contributing In a lot of contests now
you there are places people can we have a pretty
good idea what the results are within about 48
hours just from people self -reporting and so
on but Someday in the future it'll get to the
point where you finish the contest and you're
gonna click a couple of keys on your laptop and
or your logging computer and The data will all
be transmitted to a server and all the checking
is done by a computer and the results spit out.
But today we're still waiting for people to get
home from the contest and then get the log off
their computer and then mail it to us and then
some people still send us paper logs. So there's
lots of things that are just putting a little
bit of sand in the gears to slow them down. Someday,
it'll get faster. Yeah, this is just a question
of time. When I think about paper logs, I'm just
like, really? But they happen. They do. They
still come in. They still do. And you know what?
We want people to get on. And if that's the mode
that they're comfortable in operating, by all
means. Yeah. You know, we got to take them. Because,
you know, that may be the only option. why it's
uh it's so much better with the computer uh victor
what were you what were you going to say there
yeah i just saw so this is just question of time
so everything is changing and you see it's always
improving so now we have some things uh we could
not even All right. Dream about just a few years
ago. So I think it's going to be one day. So
the contestant going to be, uh, the contest results
are going to be available within, uh, five, 10,
15 minutes right after the contest. So I think
it's going to be very good. Okay. Well, that's
going to do it for tonight. So guys, thanks so
much for coming on the show. You're welcome.
It was a pleasure. Yeah. Thank you very much.
That was great. Alright, well that is a wrap!
For this week's edition of ham talk live thanks
to my guests Victor and Rossoff VA to WA and
Randy Thompson k5 ZD and everybody out there
in cyberspace for listening and writing in tonight
and Invite you back next Thursday night at 9
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