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I'm your host, Neil 00:01:51.620 --> 00:01:55.819 Rapp, WB9VPG. Thanks for tuning in to this episode 00:01:55.819 --> 00:01:59.079 of Ham Talk Live. Tonight we're joined by Dan 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:02.079 Henderson, N1ND, and we'll take your calls live 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:05.569 in just a few minutes. And two big holidays today. 00:02:05.989 --> 00:02:09.129 So a happy pie day and we won't talk about the 00:02:09.129 --> 00:02:12.750 other one. That's a family show, but, but, uh, 00:02:12.969 --> 00:02:16.469 have a, have a great day. And, uh, if you want 00:02:16.469 --> 00:02:21.370 to operate your radio abroad, well, that's what 00:02:21.370 --> 00:02:24.270 we're going to talk about. Mostly licensing and 00:02:24.270 --> 00:02:25.930 that kind of thing tonight. We'll talk a little 00:02:25.930 --> 00:02:30.460 bit about. traveling with your gear but we'll 00:02:30.460 --> 00:02:35.000 stick mostly to all the legal stuff and we'll 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:37.080 give you a chance to call in with some questions. 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:39.500 In fact, we've already got some on Twitter so 00:02:39.500 --> 00:02:42.379 you can tweet those at Amtok Live if you like 00:02:42.379 --> 00:02:44.939 and I'll give you the phone number to call here 00:02:44.939 --> 00:02:46.800 in just a little bit so you can write that down 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:48.620 and have that ready. We've been going through 00:02:48.620 --> 00:02:51.520 some changes with the phone system and found 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:54.240 out we're definitely getting a new phone number. 00:02:56.079 --> 00:02:58.259 We're gonna have to say goodbye to the old phone 00:02:58.259 --> 00:03:01.099 number So we'll figure all that out and I'll 00:03:01.099 --> 00:03:03.280 give you the the number to call tonight It's 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:05.919 the one we've been using for a while But last 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:08.599 week here on the show Sterling man in zero SSC 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:11.199 was here to talk about the Yark youth contesting 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:14.000 program If you missed that you can listen anytime 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:17.080 just go to HamTalkLive .com or your favorite 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:20.539 podcast app or YouTube and you can catch the 00:03:20.539 --> 00:03:27.039 rebroadcast also on WTWW 5085 AM Saturday evenings 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:31.479 at about 6 30 p .m eastern time. Also a note 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:37.439 just came in from John Amadeo not too far before 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:42.699 the show started. Jett Juergensmeyer. He plays 00:03:42.699 --> 00:03:45.500 Mike Baxter's grandson on Last Man Standing. 00:03:45.979 --> 00:03:50.000 He and his dad both got their licenses. They 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:53.460 passed the test. So they have technician licenses 00:03:53.460 --> 00:03:57.000 that are waiting on the call signs. But congratulations 00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:59.939 to Jett and his father. I believe his father's 00:03:59.939 --> 00:04:03.539 name is Scott. So congratulations to them. And 00:04:03.539 --> 00:04:08.719 we've got more hams on the crew of Last Man Standing. 00:04:09.659 --> 00:04:12.300 Get your questions ready to go about traveling. 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:15.659 If you listen to us on Thursday night live, you 00:04:15.659 --> 00:04:18.279 can give us a call after the interview and here's 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:26.139 the phone number 812 -650 -9556. Again, to call 00:04:26.139 --> 00:04:29.540 in to ask a question later in the show, it's 00:04:29.540 --> 00:04:34.439 812 -650 -9556. Write that down, have it ready 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:36.860 to go. We're not ready for calls just yet, but 00:04:37.149 --> 00:04:43.069 We will soon. So 812 -650 -9556 is the phone 00:04:43.069 --> 00:04:46.050 number. And again, tweet us. We're at HamTalk 00:04:46.050 --> 00:04:49.089 Live. If you'd rather tweet us, we will check 00:04:49.089 --> 00:04:52.810 that as we go through the night as well. 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But instead, you've 00:05:58.899 --> 00:06:01.959 decided to listen to Ham Talk Live. So we thank 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:05.240 you. And now here's Neil Rapp with more of the 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:22.439 show. Thanks as always to ICOM America for helping 00:06:22.439 --> 00:06:26.259 bring HamTalk Live your way each and every week. 00:06:27.339 --> 00:06:31.180 Tonight our guest is Dan Henderson, N1ND. He's 00:06:31.180 --> 00:06:35.740 been a ham since 1970. Dan is the Assistant Secretary 00:06:35.740 --> 00:06:39.920 for the ARRL and is also the ARRL Regulatory 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:43.300 Information Manager. He's the Administrator of 00:06:43.300 --> 00:06:48.269 the ARRL Volunteer Council and Volunteer consulting 00:06:48.269 --> 00:06:52.310 engineer programs. Dan has degrees in history, 00:06:52.410 --> 00:06:55.449 education, and political science, and his call 00:06:55.449 --> 00:06:58.110 sign reflects his love for Notre Dame, both as 00:06:58.110 --> 00:07:02.310 a proud graduate and as a football fan. And for 00:07:02.310 --> 00:07:08.430 many, many, many years, Dan was the ARRL field 00:07:08.430 --> 00:07:15.699 day guru. So Dan, welcome to the show. glad to 00:07:15.699 --> 00:07:18.620 be able to be with you this evening. Yeah we're 00:07:18.620 --> 00:07:21.160 glad you're here and this has been an interesting 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:24.399 topic that we're talking about tonight. Already 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:29.120 had some interest on all the social media and 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:32.480 on the forums and everything. Seems like it's 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:35.759 a popular topic right now as people are thinking 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:39.660 about going places in the summer and getting 00:07:39.660 --> 00:07:42.779 all this figured out of can I take my radio? 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:46.740 How can I do that? Can I, can I get a license? 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:48.920 Do I have to get a license? Do I have to get 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:50.959 an upgrade and all this kind of stuff? So we're 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:53.939 going to try to clear up a lot of that tonight. 00:07:54.379 --> 00:07:57.920 So First of all before we get started in all 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:03.240 of this just exactly. What does it mean to be? 00:08:05.300 --> 00:08:10.600 Reciprocal agreement Okay, Neil I the biggest 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:13.399 misunderstanding I think people have when it 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:16.980 comes to operating under a reciprocal permit 00:08:16.980 --> 00:08:20.740 Reciprocal operating does not mean hi. I'm here. 00:08:20.740 --> 00:08:23.160 I'm gonna get on the radio because we got a reciprocal 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:25.310 agreement and so I I can go operate in any way 00:08:25.310 --> 00:08:29.269 I want to. In some cases, it is that simple. 00:08:29.569 --> 00:08:32.730 In most cases, there are a few things you have 00:08:32.730 --> 00:08:37.230 to do. I like in reciprocal operating to, there 00:08:37.230 --> 00:08:40.129 are known hoops to jump through, some of them 00:08:40.129 --> 00:08:42.549 are more difficult than others, but they're known 00:08:42.549 --> 00:08:45.409 hoops to jump through. It's not just simply get 00:08:45.409 --> 00:08:47.909 on the plane, get off and throw an antenna in 00:08:47.909 --> 00:08:50.029 the air and get on the air. So I think that's 00:08:50.029 --> 00:08:58.519 always The second thing is even with some of 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:02.480 the multilateral agreements, there are two primary 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:06.299 multilateral agreements, actually three, that 00:09:06.299 --> 00:09:09.240 U .S. amateurs can avail themselves of to be 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:13.419 able to go simplify the operation. Even with 00:09:13.419 --> 00:09:16.080 those, sometimes there are hoops that you have 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:18.600 to jump through, and we'll talk a little bit 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:29.110 about those down the way. You know the situation 00:09:29.110 --> 00:09:34.330 before you go in. As an example, for many, many 00:09:34.330 --> 00:09:38.230 years, amateurs would show up at the Mexican 00:09:38.230 --> 00:09:41.590 border, and we have a reciprocal agreement with 00:09:41.590 --> 00:09:43.429 Mexico, and they would go to the border, and 00:09:43.429 --> 00:09:45.169 they'd tell the border crossing guard, hey, I 00:09:45.169 --> 00:09:47.169 want to do ham radio while I'm here, can you 00:09:47.169 --> 00:09:49.830 help me get a license? Sure, here, fill out this 00:09:49.830 --> 00:09:52.309 form, give us our $100, and now you can go play 00:09:52.309 --> 00:09:55.029 ham radio. Not one of them was legal, because 00:09:55.029 --> 00:09:59.059 that wasn't the process. that you're that you're 00:09:59.059 --> 00:10:02.460 fully aware of what the hoops are before you 00:10:02.460 --> 00:10:06.279 start jumping through them yeah planning ahead 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:11.440 is definitely a top priority and sometimes that 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:16.840 can take months or even years in some instances 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:20.279 most most of them not but it can take a long 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:24.820 time so let's let's talk a little bit about you 00:10:24.820 --> 00:10:28.639 know Temporarily operating in another country. 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:31.799 So that's probably what a lot of people ask is 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:34.879 I'm going on vacation I'm going to visit Aunt 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:37.720 Martha. I'm going you know, whatever for a couple 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:43.960 of weeks What do I need to do as a US amateur? 00:10:44.620 --> 00:10:48.700 To operate temporarily in those other countries 00:10:48.700 --> 00:10:52.139 Do you do you just need a prefix or a suffix 00:10:52.139 --> 00:10:57.360 to your call or what so? Let's start off with 00:10:57.360 --> 00:11:01.120 the easy one. Let's start off with Canada. With 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:04.419 Canada, the Reciprocal Agreement is actually 00:11:04.419 --> 00:11:09.299 written into Part 97. And in Canada, it's literally 00:11:09.299 --> 00:11:12.659 tax, stroke, VE, whatever province you're in, 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:15.659 or VE7 if you're in British Columbia, or VE2 00:11:15.659 --> 00:11:36.360 if you're in Quebec. of that host entity. The 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:38.740 FCC isn't going to enforce you operating out 00:11:38.740 --> 00:11:44.340 of band in England. That's Ofcom's job. So you 00:11:44.340 --> 00:11:47.700 need to make sure that you understand that the 00:11:47.700 --> 00:11:49.580 rules are going to vary by country to country. 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:52.519 Band allocations, frequency allocations, vary 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:57.399 by country to country. And so you need to do 00:11:57.399 --> 00:11:59.299 a little bit of homework. The most frustrating 00:11:59.299 --> 00:12:01.539 calls I get sometimes are the ones that say, 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:03.200 well, I'm popping on a plane tomorrow and I'm 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:06.940 going to take my H -T - with me. Yeah, and you're 00:12:06.940 --> 00:12:10.659 going to a country like the Bahamas. We have 00:12:10.659 --> 00:12:13.179 a reciprocal operating permit with the Bahamas. 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:15.539 You have to make an application, pay the fee, 00:12:15.779 --> 00:12:20.980 and it's about the Lincolns, the Benjamins, and 00:12:20.980 --> 00:12:23.580 you can get a reciprocal license. They actually 00:12:23.580 --> 00:12:26.700 require you to get a reciprocal license, and 00:12:26.700 --> 00:12:34.200 some places you have to go through the application 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:36.539 process, because you have done it in advance 00:12:36.539 --> 00:12:38.639 if you're operating under, like the International 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:42.940 Amateur Radio Permit, the IARP. An example of 00:12:42.940 --> 00:12:47.320 that Panama is a signatory to the IARP, and you 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:49.759 get the IARP from your national society here 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:51.480 in the United States, which would be the ARRL, 00:12:51.620 --> 00:12:55.279 we issue one for US citizens. Don't ask the ARRL, 00:12:55.299 --> 00:12:58.460 don't let a foreign national, even though they 00:12:58.460 --> 00:13:01.440 may have a US license, is not eligible to get 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:03.940 an IARP through the ARRL. It's got to be issued 00:13:03.940 --> 00:13:09.559 by only the citizens. So that draws it. But in 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:11.360 Panama, once you get that, then you have to notify 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:13.279 the national authorities of where you're actually 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:17.360 going to be operating. That caused some problems 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:21.299 at times down there. Gets a little more complicated 00:13:21.299 --> 00:13:25.740 if you get on a Panamanian flag ship. And shipboard 00:13:25.740 --> 00:13:27.820 operation is a whole other ball of wax, which 00:13:27.820 --> 00:13:39.440 we'll get to, I think, in a little bit. We have 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:44.480 the listing of every country that we have with 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:47.559 as much information as we have. On that site, 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:50.860 you'll also find a link to a page called Licensing 00:13:50.860 --> 00:13:54.740 Abroad, which was put together by OH2MCN VECA 00:13:54.740 --> 00:13:58.080 Compa, who unfortunately became a silent key 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.100 a couple of years ago. The information on VECA's 00:14:01.100 --> 00:14:15.549 website We would link to his information if he 00:14:15.549 --> 00:14:20.590 had better information. But the broad parameters 00:14:20.590 --> 00:14:23.929 of the stuff on VECA, on VECA's website are probably, 00:14:24.169 --> 00:14:27.950 most of them are still valid. But again, always 00:14:27.950 --> 00:14:30.649 ask before you go, and a good source to be asking 00:14:30.649 --> 00:14:34.909 is not only to ARRL, but if you're, contact the 00:14:34.909 --> 00:14:38.309 IARU Society in the country in which you're going. 00:14:38.570 --> 00:14:39.970 Example, if you're going to Canada, you would 00:14:39.970 --> 00:14:43.250 want to talk to the RAC. If you're going to England, 00:14:43.250 --> 00:14:45.750 you're going to, want to talk to the RSGB and 00:14:45.750 --> 00:14:49.649 all that's available at the IARU .org website. 00:14:50.169 --> 00:14:56.230 We keep links to as much of that as we can. Okay, 00:14:56.289 --> 00:14:58.889 so we talked about Canada and that's the only 00:14:58.889 --> 00:15:00.769 one I've done. That's the only other country 00:15:00.769 --> 00:15:03.269 I've been to and that was easy. That was fun. 00:15:03.330 --> 00:15:07.190 I just said portable VE3 and that was it. Now 00:15:07.190 --> 00:15:12.450 before we move on Chris, AA4CB from Tampa wants 00:15:12.450 --> 00:15:16.169 to know, is the Canada ban plan and power limits 00:15:16.169 --> 00:15:20.610 the same? I honestly can't tell you. You're going 00:15:20.610 --> 00:15:23.809 to have to look at the RAC website. I can't keep 00:15:23.809 --> 00:15:26.669 up with all hundred and however many national 00:15:26.669 --> 00:15:30.149 rules and regulations and things like that. If 00:15:30.149 --> 00:15:34.149 you go to the rac .ca website, you will find 00:15:34.149 --> 00:15:36.830 the information about that. And every national 00:15:36.830 --> 00:15:42.029 society country is pretty good about having that 00:15:42.029 --> 00:15:45.570 information online. And if you don't read Spanish, 00:15:46.429 --> 00:15:49.149 many of them will have simple stuff in English 00:15:49.149 --> 00:15:52.789 or in Portuguese or whatever the national language 00:15:52.789 --> 00:15:56.250 is. But you'll need to refer to the national 00:15:56.250 --> 00:15:58.610 website for the most up -to -date information 00:15:58.610 --> 00:16:01.490 on power limits, ban privileges, and things like 00:16:01.490 --> 00:16:05.870 that. I want to say it's pretty similar, but 00:16:05.870 --> 00:16:09.710 it seems like there were a few little differences 00:16:09.710 --> 00:16:12.929 on power maybe. So again, check the website. 00:16:13.210 --> 00:16:16.190 We're not keeping track of all of these countries. 00:16:16.409 --> 00:16:18.590 And speaking of not keeping track of all of these 00:16:18.590 --> 00:16:20.710 countries, I'm not going to go down the list 00:16:20.710 --> 00:16:24.490 of every country here. But let's talk about Canada 00:16:24.490 --> 00:16:27.350 and then let's talk about Mexico just because 00:16:27.350 --> 00:16:31.190 they're here in North America and more likely. 00:16:31.649 --> 00:16:34.490 So I'm going to pick out one more and that's 00:16:34.490 --> 00:16:37.919 Mexico. Okay, Mexico is very problematic. While 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:40.039 we have reciprocity with them right now, they 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:44.299 are not issuing any permits. Their telecom administration 00:16:44.299 --> 00:16:48.000 is undergoing some radical changes, and they 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.120 are not issuing licenses for any kind of reciprocal 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:53.639 operating. So right now it is not possible to 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:55.460 legally get a license and go down and operate 00:16:55.460 --> 00:16:58.159 in Mexico. When that changes, we'll have that 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:00.700 information updated on our website, but Mexico 00:17:00.700 --> 00:17:05.880 is problematic at this point in time. Now let's 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:11.500 talk a little bit about CEPT. That makes life 00:17:11.500 --> 00:17:15.460 a little easier, yet it gets more complicated 00:17:15.460 --> 00:17:19.900 legally. So let's talk about countries that have 00:17:19.900 --> 00:17:23.660 the CEPT agreement and what that might do and 00:17:23.660 --> 00:17:38.059 what it won't. in the European Union that allows 00:17:38.059 --> 00:17:42.160 you to very easily operate from another country 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:44.440 if you were licensed with what is called a HEREC, 00:17:44.539 --> 00:17:47.319 a Harmonized Amateur Radio Exam content. You 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:50.440 can even get a license in another, you can get 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:52.579 a Prince license if you're a Hungarian citizen, 00:17:52.579 --> 00:17:58.759 for example. The U .S. does participate as a 00:17:58.759 --> 00:18:04.000 signatory to CEPT, which means we agree to accept 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:07.250 CEPT licensing here. and we abide by what the 00:18:07.250 --> 00:18:11.210 CEPT agreements are. So relatively simple with 00:18:11.210 --> 00:18:15.410 CEPT, but if you've heard of this thing called 00:18:15.410 --> 00:18:20.170 Brexit, that may create a problem for operating 00:18:20.170 --> 00:18:23.269 in the UK, for example, but we do have a bilateral 00:18:23.269 --> 00:18:25.849 as well as the multilateral agreement with the 00:18:25.849 --> 00:18:29.609 UK. And as Zapper says, there could be some changes 00:18:29.609 --> 00:18:33.190 along this way. There are two levels of CEPT. 00:18:33.230 --> 00:18:43.099 One is TR -6101. that you can qualify for under 00:18:43.099 --> 00:18:49.140 CEPT. You have to be a U .S. amateur extra or 00:18:49.140 --> 00:18:51.779 an advanced class license to avail yourself of 00:18:51.779 --> 00:18:59.900 the reciprocity under 6101. 6101, on our website 00:18:59.900 --> 00:19:02.599 you will find a, if you will go in and search 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:06.259 for internet information for U .S. amateurs traveling 00:19:06.259 --> 00:19:20.160 abroad. a whole bunch of countries from Albania 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:22.619 to alphabetically to the United Kingdom, which 00:19:22.619 --> 00:19:24.920 is the last alphabetically, including Russia, 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:29.380 including Romania, so forth and so on, that all 00:19:29.380 --> 00:19:33.160 have agreed to see EPT. You have to be careful 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:35.259 in some of those countries, such as Russia, to 00:19:35.259 --> 00:19:38.180 make sure that there's nothing particular additional 00:19:38.180 --> 00:19:41.119 that you have to do. But in general, if you're 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:43.680 a U .S. amateur, extra, or an advanced -class 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:46.500 licensee, you're fully eligible to go... operate 00:19:46.500 --> 00:19:50.200 under 6101. There is a lower level, which is 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:53.980 available to U .S. general class licensees, which 00:19:53.980 --> 00:19:58.259 gives you access to what is called the CEPT novice 00:19:58.259 --> 00:20:02.940 radio amateur license. You've got to have a U 00:20:02.940 --> 00:20:04.539 .S. general class. Technicians are not going 00:20:04.539 --> 00:20:08.519 to qualify. And it is not as comprehensive a 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:11.740 list of countries. For example, the U .K. does 00:20:11.740 --> 00:20:13.900 not participate in what's called recommendation 00:20:13.900 --> 00:20:23.480 0506. the novice radio permit. It also gets a 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:26.380 little more complicated. There's been some recent 00:20:26.380 --> 00:20:29.000 talk about people wanting to avail themselves 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:32.220 of CEPT to go operate in the Netherlands Antilles. 00:20:32.779 --> 00:20:52.009 That used to be permissible. But you cannot use 00:20:52.009 --> 00:20:56.609 seat. You cannot have a non CEPT European union 00:20:56.609 --> 00:21:00.109 member availing themselves of CEPT to operate 00:21:00.109 --> 00:21:05.369 in a another non CEPT European union member country. 00:21:05.930 --> 00:21:08.210 Again, it's never, it's never quite as simple 00:21:08.210 --> 00:21:11.609 as I think people want it to be. And I can confuse. 00:21:11.829 --> 00:21:13.710 I can feed you a whole lot more if you want. 00:21:16.190 --> 00:21:21.039 Well, We'll go with that for now and we'll see, 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:24.660 we'll see how it goes here. Um, and then let's 00:21:24.660 --> 00:21:27.220 talk about the others. You know, if they don't 00:21:27.220 --> 00:21:31.119 have the CEPT agreement, then it's pretty much 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:36.140 a case by case. Yeah, there is, um, the information 00:21:36.140 --> 00:21:38.500 on the website at the reciprocal dash operating 00:21:38.500 --> 00:21:41.039 on the AWS website is pretty good. There's a 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:43.400 one pager that is attached to that. And, but 00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:45.819 again, if you search for, uh, on the AWS website, 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:50.380 for U .S. amateurs traveling abroad and make 00:21:50.380 --> 00:21:53.559 sure it's the updated February 2019 edition. 00:21:54.099 --> 00:21:57.579 It will also give you the list of not only the 00:21:57.579 --> 00:22:02.200 CEP TR -6101 countries and the ECC recommendation 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:05.599 of 506 countries that will list the international 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:08.460 amateur radio permit countries, the IARP countries. 00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:11.460 It will also give you a list of those countries 00:22:11.460 --> 00:22:13.980 with which the U .S. has a bilateral agreement. 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:21.039 When you're traveling abroad, take a copy, take 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:24.880 your license with you. Don't rely, you don't 00:22:24.880 --> 00:22:26.920 have to physically have it in the US. You may 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:28.480 even have to post it. I remember the good old 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:30.980 days where you used to have to post your license 00:22:30.980 --> 00:22:33.799 in your shack. You don't have to do that anymore. 00:22:33.900 --> 00:22:36.339 As long as you're valid in the ULS, you're free 00:22:36.339 --> 00:22:38.759 to operate in the US. But when you're traveling 00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:41.460 abroad, get a hard copy of your license and take 00:22:41.460 --> 00:22:44.559 it with you. If you're operating under the terms 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:50.819 of CEPT, the FCC has issued public notice, which 00:22:50.819 --> 00:22:56.640 is DA16 -1048. And the last update of that was 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:59.920 September 2016. You need a copy of that. And 00:22:59.920 --> 00:23:03.099 it gives it in three languages. It's in German, 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:05.259 French, and English. I think it's in German, 00:23:05.319 --> 00:23:11.720 English, French, and Spanish. And it will explain 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:14.420 in case the authorities tap you on the shoulder 00:23:14.420 --> 00:23:17.460 and want to see what your operating authorization 00:23:17.460 --> 00:23:19.099 and stuff like that. I can tell you, the time 00:23:19.099 --> 00:23:21.359 I've ever traveled abroad and operated, nobody's 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:25.839 ever cared. But don't set yourself up for a problem. 00:23:26.980 --> 00:23:36.779 Okay. Well, yeah, that was point one. It's not 00:23:36.779 --> 00:23:42.579 quite as easy as you might think. Let's go ahead 00:23:42.579 --> 00:23:44.619 and move on a little bit and let's talk about 00:23:44.619 --> 00:23:47.140 what about a permanent license? What if you decide, 00:23:47.420 --> 00:23:50.460 hey, you know, I go to this country quite often. 00:23:51.859 --> 00:23:56.019 How do I get a license in that country? You'll 00:23:56.019 --> 00:23:57.980 have to test for the license in that country. 00:24:15.020 --> 00:24:17.319 and they went back to Italy and tried to use 00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:19.819 the U .S. license as an authorization that would 00:24:19.819 --> 00:24:22.000 automatically qualify them for an Italian license. 00:24:22.019 --> 00:24:26.779 It doesn't work that way. People traveling to 00:24:26.779 --> 00:24:29.200 the U .S. that, hey, I want to get a U .S. call 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:31.859 sign, the only way to get a U .S. call sign is 00:24:31.859 --> 00:24:35.680 to pass the license exam. And then what goes 00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:37.619 along with that is once you have a U .S. license, 00:24:50.829 --> 00:24:53.250 two levels of the CEPT license. If you've got 00:24:53.250 --> 00:24:55.950 a CEPT license, you get full operating privileges. 00:24:56.990 --> 00:25:01.369 The same does not hold course going back. So 00:25:01.369 --> 00:25:22.410 we've had people that have come in. You have 00:25:22.410 --> 00:25:27.750 to make sure that you abide by the regulations 00:25:27.750 --> 00:25:31.150 of the country that you want. One of the reasons 00:25:31.150 --> 00:25:33.470 that they will not accept the U .S. license for 00:25:33.470 --> 00:25:36.630 a reciprocal full license is the U .S. does not 00:25:36.630 --> 00:25:38.849 participate in HERET, the Harmonized Damage to 00:25:38.849 --> 00:25:40.569 Radio Exam content that I mentioned a little 00:25:40.569 --> 00:25:44.670 while ago. And since we are not a HERET country, 00:25:44.829 --> 00:25:46.930 you do not qualify for that kind of, you can 00:25:46.930 --> 00:25:51.130 certainly test for a license. exam, it's going 00:25:51.130 --> 00:25:52.710 to be given in one of the foreign languages, 00:25:53.069 --> 00:25:56.869 be forewarned of that, and you'll have to meet 00:25:56.869 --> 00:25:59.650 those requirements and that's the way you would 00:25:59.650 --> 00:26:02.910 get a full call sign other than reciprocity. 00:26:05.369 --> 00:26:11.430 Okay, so get ready for a test and you're gonna 00:26:11.430 --> 00:26:15.950 have to take that test probably in that country, 00:26:16.029 --> 00:26:19.920 I would expect for most of those. if not all. 00:26:20.299 --> 00:26:24.839 So that's the deal. So again, it's not a universal 00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:28.259 thing. You're going to have to find out exactly 00:26:28.259 --> 00:26:32.339 for that specific country. Well, before we go 00:26:32.339 --> 00:26:35.140 to break here, and we are due for a break, but 00:26:35.140 --> 00:26:38.480 let's talk just a little bit about traveling 00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:44.640 with gear and restrictions on planes and ships 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:48.279 and everything. are there any restrictions on 00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:52.839 what you can take with you as far as antennas 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:55.660 and power supplies and radios and that kind of 00:26:55.660 --> 00:26:59.099 thing and what advice would you give for for 00:26:59.099 --> 00:27:05.119 hams traveling with gear if it's a holiday style 00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:09.880 operation keep it to a bare minimum because remember 00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:25.670 you're going to when you I travel with gear frequently 00:27:25.670 --> 00:27:28.430 and I've never had a problem because I carry 00:27:28.430 --> 00:27:31.970 my license with me. I have been asked a couple 00:27:31.970 --> 00:27:34.529 of times if I have an HT, you know, turn it on 00:27:34.529 --> 00:27:38.089 and let them see it power up sort of thing. But 00:27:38.089 --> 00:27:41.490 there are import limitations on some of these 00:27:41.490 --> 00:27:43.809 things. They want to make sure you're not bringing 00:27:43.809 --> 00:27:45.930 the equipment to leave in the country and avoid 00:27:45.930 --> 00:27:49.069 paying a customs duty that way. So make sure 00:27:49.069 --> 00:27:51.789 you have the receipts for your equipment that 00:27:51.789 --> 00:27:54.319 you're traveling with to prove that them you 00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:56.180 didn't buy them there and you don't know customs 00:27:56.180 --> 00:28:00.759 duties on it. And let me know about taking the 00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:03.299 break because the second part of this about traveling 00:28:03.299 --> 00:28:05.640 like on ships and things like that is is a little 00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:07.619 more detailed and we may need to do that on the 00:28:07.619 --> 00:28:09.900 other side of the break. Okay all right well 00:28:09.900 --> 00:28:12.440 let's do that let's go ahead and take our break 00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:16.339 and we'll talk about cruise ships and keeping 00:28:16.339 --> 00:28:19.279 your gear intact and then we'll get in and tackle 00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:23.029 some of these questions coming up after the break. 00:28:23.430 --> 00:28:25.849 So we'll be back with Dan and your questions 00:28:25.849 --> 00:28:28.029 right after this word from Tower Electronics 00:28:28.029 --> 00:28:31.869 right here on HamTalk Live. 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Be sure to check us out on Facebook, Twitter, 00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:14.319 and Instagram and we'll give you a chance to... 00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:17.700 call in here in just a bit but let's uh... pick 00:31:17.700 --> 00:31:20.819 up where we left off and and my apologies dan 00:31:20.819 --> 00:31:23.119 had to cut you off from the commercial break 00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:29.220 there uh... so we were talking about uh... traveling 00:31:29.220 --> 00:31:32.839 with your gear and uh... we're talking about 00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:35.500 a little bit about cruise ships and and i've 00:31:35.500 --> 00:31:37.279 heard a little bit about cruise ships because 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.160 it was one of our news line guys paul uh... brown 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:43.119 w d i g c a was talking about it and said said 00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:46.089 yeah I checked with the cruise line and they 00:31:46.089 --> 00:31:49.089 said if I bring my HT they're going to confiscate 00:31:49.089 --> 00:31:53.630 it. There's just nothing and that others are. 00:31:53.630 --> 00:31:56.130 So let's talk a little bit about cruise ships. 00:31:57.630 --> 00:32:00.789 This is the most complicated question I get and 00:32:00.789 --> 00:32:04.549 I get this question once or twice a week. The 00:32:04.549 --> 00:32:06.690 starting point with a cruise ship is you have 00:32:06.690 --> 00:32:09.390 to have permission of the cruise ship company 00:32:09.390 --> 00:32:14.359 to even have the equipment on board. If you get 00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:17.660 that permission, and some of them will work with 00:32:17.660 --> 00:32:21.259 you. I know that QCWA will do a theme cruise 00:32:21.259 --> 00:32:22.960 on one of the boats and they've made special 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:24.960 arrangements with the cruise ship company to 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:29.599 have the stuff on board with them. If you get 00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:32.019 that permission, then you have to have the permission 00:32:32.019 --> 00:32:35.380 of the captain to be able to operate on board 00:32:35.380 --> 00:32:50.440 ship, and that's another set of... the country 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.799 of the flag of the ship that you're on, a Panamanian 00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:57.299 ship. Carnival Cruises is not a U .S. line, I 00:32:57.299 --> 00:33:36.380 believe. the repeater and just talk to some people 00:33:36.380 --> 00:33:38.339 and maybe have a lunch with somebody. You gotta 00:33:38.339 --> 00:33:41.180 remember that in that kind of situation, they 00:33:41.180 --> 00:33:45.240 don't use repeaters necessarily like we do. So 00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:48.059 you're not necessarily going to get on and while 00:33:48.059 --> 00:33:50.619 it seems exotic, oh well I was at DX country 00:33:50.619 --> 00:33:54.359 in Montserrat and I was stroke VP, I was stroke 00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:59.539 VP 8 in the Falkland Islands, it's not that simple, 00:33:59.579 --> 00:34:02.359 especially when you're on board ship. I have 00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:08.340 heard of situations where so they could keep 00:34:08.340 --> 00:34:10.760 up with each other on the ground on a short relief 00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:13.800 during a day, the cruise ship company became 00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.300 aware of them having the radios and would not 00:34:16.300 --> 00:34:17.880 let them back on board until they had turned 00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:21.739 them into the purser to only to be returned at 00:34:21.739 --> 00:34:24.000 the end of the ship. So you have to be, cruise 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:26.559 ships are another animal in and of themselves. 00:34:28.539 --> 00:34:33.900 Okay, so more to check on. So what about TSA? 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:40.000 What do you think? TSA looking for if you go 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:45.340 through And try to fly with a rig. What are they 00:34:45.340 --> 00:34:49.099 going to look at? It's going to be like any other 00:34:49.099 --> 00:35:20.340 electronics that you're carrying The difficult 00:35:20.340 --> 00:35:22.920 part is when you're, such as the D Expedition, 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.260 going somewhere and you pre -ship equipment into 00:35:25.260 --> 00:35:28.860 the country. You've got to remember that some 00:35:28.860 --> 00:35:32.639 of those countries may not necessarily want you 00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:35.980 to leave with that equipment if you catch the 00:35:35.980 --> 00:35:38.480 direction I'm going there. They may be perfectly 00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:41.000 content for you to bring it in, but it's amazing 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:44.820 that on occasion, well, this is illegal equipment 00:35:44.820 --> 00:35:46.500 and we're confiscating it and you don't get it 00:35:46.500 --> 00:35:55.750 back when you leave the country. Okay, and then 00:35:55.750 --> 00:36:01.150 what about keeping your gear safe? What do you 00:36:01.150 --> 00:36:06.329 recommend for packing your gear and making sure 00:36:06.329 --> 00:36:44.079 it's still in one piece when you get there? You're 00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:45.880 not going to be flopping around things like that. 00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:49.760 Don't try to overpack it. Remember the weight 00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:52.719 requirements on some of these flights. You have 00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:54.699 to be careful of distribution of weight in those 00:36:54.699 --> 00:37:02.280 things. Don't throw the K2 into the suitcase 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:04.940 on top of it. Just throw my underwear around 00:37:04.940 --> 00:37:07.960 it and that will keep it safe. Again, you're 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:09.219 going to end up with a radio that's going to 00:37:09.219 --> 00:37:11.639 be tasseled. If you've ever watched some of the 00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:14.519 baggage handlers at some of these places, understand 00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:18.260 what I mean by that. The United Breaks Guitars 00:37:18.260 --> 00:37:28.780 video comes to mind. Yep. One of the airline 00:37:28.780 --> 00:37:32.579 companies had their competition. They secretly 00:37:32.579 --> 00:37:34.019 filmed them and they had a couple of gorillas 00:37:34.019 --> 00:37:37.139 out there tossing suitcases around. You have 00:37:37.139 --> 00:37:39.440 to be careful of that. But again, you would be 00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:41.159 careful with anything like that that you're packing, 00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:44.019 whether it was the radio or whether it was. of 00:37:44.019 --> 00:37:47.519 the hand blown vase from Venice that you're bringing 00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:49.900 home. You want to be prudent about the packing 00:37:49.900 --> 00:37:53.099 and make sure it don't skimp on the packing material 00:37:53.099 --> 00:37:58.679 and stuff like that. Uh, D can you recommend 00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:02.900 that carry on versus check? Can you get into 00:38:02.900 --> 00:38:09.179 that or. Um, I know people that do it both ways. 00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:12.199 If you're carrying a significant gear to go down 00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:23.929 and run a to one big carry on things like that. 00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:06.840 like that. Remember that what you're putting 00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.639 into that checked luggage is going to be open 00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:15.039 and accessible. Okay, good advice. Alright, well 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:20.019 let's take some of your questions out there in 00:39:20.019 --> 00:39:23.639 cyberspace here and on the phone lines. We'll 00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:29.400 open up the phone lines here at 812 -650 -9556. 00:39:29.420 --> 00:39:34.099 Again the number 812 -650 -9556. 6509 556 now 00:39:34.099 --> 00:39:36.559 is the time to call if you want to call in we 00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:41.800 do have a couple of Texts that have come in over 00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:45.500 Twitter and on Spreaker here first of all Adam 00:39:45.500 --> 00:39:51.699 k0 ffy says that he's planning on a trip to Iceland 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.139 and he says, I'm traveling to Iceland this summer 00:39:55.139 --> 00:39:58.239 and would like to operate satellites. I recently 00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.260 upgraded to General. In order to operate there, 00:40:01.300 --> 00:40:04.800 I'm wondering if I need to upgrade to Extra or 00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:08.760 notify or file anything with the licensing authority 00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:15.480 there. Iceland is a signatory to both CEPT TR 00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:20.650 -6101 and to CEPT recommendation 0506. So the 00:40:20.650 --> 00:40:23.010 licensing is going to be covered for him in there. 00:40:25.070 --> 00:40:27.809 They have VHF, UHF privileges in Iceland, but 00:40:27.809 --> 00:40:31.269 again, I would go to the Icelandic amateur radio 00:40:31.269 --> 00:40:35.429 IARU society, and you can find the link for that. 00:40:36.170 --> 00:40:39.190 IARU .org will list all of, on there will be 00:40:39.190 --> 00:40:40.789 the list of the member societies with the links 00:40:40.789 --> 00:40:43.530 to their contact information. But I would drop 00:40:43.530 --> 00:40:45.630 them a line and ask them the particulars, but 00:40:45.630 --> 00:40:50.579 as far as licensing end of it, he will, Okay, 00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:56.980 very good. And we can't obviously do that for 00:40:56.980 --> 00:41:00.280 every country, but we had that one so we'll run 00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:05.519 with that. Chris from Tampa again, I had a UK 00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:09.579 ham come to my VE session and took the tech in 00:41:09.579 --> 00:41:11.980 general here because his UK license wouldn't 00:41:11.980 --> 00:41:16.659 let him operate 146 to 148. the uk license only 00:41:16.659 --> 00:41:19.139 does one forty four to one forty six so now i 00:41:19.139 --> 00:41:22.860 can operate on all general class u .s. frequencies 00:41:22.860 --> 00:41:27.059 that's that's kind of strange that that sound 00:41:27.059 --> 00:41:30.739 right there there uh... this is one of those 00:41:30.739 --> 00:41:34.079 cases where their frequency allocations do not 00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:37.119 necessarily uh... match with us i know that europe 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.420 has i don't believe i can't think of anybody 00:41:40.420 --> 00:41:42.059 right off the top of my head in europe that has 00:41:42.059 --> 00:41:45.739 one forty six to one They all have 144 to 146. 00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:51.460 So he would have to pass the US exam to be able 00:41:51.460 --> 00:41:53.739 to get those extra frequencies in that particular 00:41:53.739 --> 00:41:56.639 case. And the thing to remember is that once 00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.760 he has a US license grant, once he has that general 00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:03.000 US class license, he is no longer eligible to 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:05.780 operate under a reciprocal license. He can only 00:42:05.780 --> 00:42:10.900 operate in the US under that US license. Yeah, 00:42:10.900 --> 00:42:14.780 that's the the strange one. I have a friend that 00:42:14.780 --> 00:42:18.360 was talking about that from Canada that is you 00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:20.599 know, he got a US license and now all of a sudden 00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:24.960 that You know the reciprocity is not there. So 00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:29.840 Okay, Carl KD9 HQT just opened up another can 00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:34.840 of worms If I went to Japan or any other country 00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:37.579 and brought and bought a rig from that country 00:42:37.579 --> 00:42:41.960 that's not FCC approved since it would transmit 00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:45.360 off frequencies of the U .S. bands but had to 00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:48.460 operate on the country's band plan with that 00:42:48.460 --> 00:42:50.719 import rig and then bring that back to the U 00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:56.219 .S. What's the deal with that? Would that be 00:42:56.219 --> 00:43:00.219 illegal if it's not type accepted for the U .S.? 00:43:00.219 --> 00:43:08.860 What's going on with that? certificated is for 00:43:08.860 --> 00:43:13.119 sale in the U .S. I can't give a definitive answer 00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:16.119 on that particular scenario, but it is his personal 00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:42.320 equipment that he bought Okay, and of course, 00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.619 you know the rules and band plans are going to 00:43:45.619 --> 00:43:47.820 apply in whatever country you're operating in 00:43:47.820 --> 00:43:52.559 so you got to do that. Right, allocations and 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:58.059 band plans do differ by IARU region and while 00:43:58.059 --> 00:44:02.699 there is a global band for example at from 7 00:44:02.699 --> 00:44:07.820 .0 to 7 .2 megahertz, the 40 meter band, a lot 00:44:07.820 --> 00:44:38.099 of the world does not have and things like that. 00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:43.199 And this goes way way back. I remember a conversation 00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:47.480 griping about the test question that used to 00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:50.659 be on the test it's not anymore on the US test 00:44:50.659 --> 00:44:55.260 about what ITU region is Guam in. Well the whole 00:44:55.260 --> 00:45:00.559 point was the allocations are different in Guam 00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:03.489 than they are here even though it's still You 00:45:03.489 --> 00:45:06.650 know a US territory is it's in a different region 00:45:06.650 --> 00:45:09.829 Yeah, if you if you look at part ninety seven 00:45:09.829 --> 00:45:16.170 three, I think it's 303 You will see that It 00:45:16.170 --> 00:45:18.429 may be 301. I don't have part nine. It's the 00:45:18.429 --> 00:45:20.329 one thing I don't have open on the computer screen 00:45:20.329 --> 00:45:25.869 With all the other region one region two region 00:45:25.869 --> 00:45:29.289 three because there are US possessions in each 00:45:29.289 --> 00:45:46.199 of the regions longitude west, the 40 meter band 00:45:46.199 --> 00:46:16.820 that you can use for phone is different. Okay, 00:46:17.139 --> 00:46:19.260 well all kinds of stuff I think this I think 00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:21.860 this could go on for hours and we're not going 00:46:21.860 --> 00:46:25.900 to believe me but But there's a lot here. So, 00:46:25.900 --> 00:46:28.760 you know make use of those online resources for 00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:31.239 the country that you're you're looking at that 00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:34.320 Dan's mentioned here and and Hopefully that will 00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.920 that will help Let's talk a little bit about 00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:40.619 We talked about the cruise ship traveling on 00:46:40.619 --> 00:46:44.059 there. But what about while traveling on a plane? 00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:50.869 What's the general allowance on that. You're 00:46:50.869 --> 00:46:55.250 not going to. Not going to, yeah. It's no different 00:46:55.250 --> 00:46:58.050 than using your cell phone in flight or something 00:46:58.050 --> 00:47:01.510 like that. Use of a transmitter on board is pretty 00:47:01.510 --> 00:47:04.570 much prohibited period. If you're the captain 00:47:04.570 --> 00:47:15.920 of the plane and I have a good example and he 00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:18.039 would talk to hams using the plane's equipment 00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:21.940 and stuff like that. But Joe Rankin file sitting 00:47:21.940 --> 00:47:26.679 back in the cattle call area on squeezing as 00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:29.019 many people in as you can airline, you're not 00:47:29.019 --> 00:47:32.519 going to be working ham radio with your HT as 00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:36.659 you're flying over the country. Okay. And then 00:47:36.659 --> 00:47:40.619 if you're in international airspace or international 00:47:40.619 --> 00:47:46.230 waters, what What are the rules? What, uh, what 00:47:46.230 --> 00:47:48.869 band plan do you have to use and what country 00:47:48.869 --> 00:47:52.849 has the authority to say what happens? What's 00:47:52.849 --> 00:47:54.650 the flag of the country of the boat that you're 00:47:54.650 --> 00:48:00.869 on? Okay. Very good. Oh, okay. Go ahead. So, 00:48:00.869 --> 00:48:13.239 you know, that, that becomes part of it. But 00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:15.440 you've got to remember that people refer to ban 00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:17.480 plans, they're actually most of the time referring 00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:20.159 to frequency allocations and they are not the 00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:24.480 same thing. You're looking at the frequency allocations 00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:27.159 for region one, region two, region three and 00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:28.920 it's going to be determined by the country of 00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:33.079 flag of the ship that you're on. Okay, very good, 00:48:33.659 --> 00:48:35.760 yeah. Yeah, ban plans are definitely different 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:40.280 and I may have flipped those terms there but... 00:48:40.380 --> 00:48:45.139 but the band plan is different from what you're 00:48:45.139 --> 00:48:48.519 allowed to operate on. Okay, we've got a call 00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:52.239 on the line, so let's take a question on the 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.119 phone. Good evening, welcome to HamTalk Live. 00:49:00.699 --> 00:49:04.219 Tonight, great topic. I can see there's a couple 00:49:04.219 --> 00:49:06.400 of questions that you talked through earlier 00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:10.440 before. Obviously, it's reasoning with people. 00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:14.559 I have traveled a few times and taken my gear. 00:49:14.699 --> 00:49:16.599 I've never packed it. I've always carried it 00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:20.039 on board. I've got a nice little Pelican case 00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.079 that's really the Harbor Freight knockoff, but 00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.780 you know what? It does good enough. And I'm lucky 00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:27.360 enough to have a KX2, so usually that's my radio 00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:31.900 choice to go on aircraft. And as Dan mentioned, 00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:35.099 I have never had any problems with PSA. going 00:49:35.099 --> 00:49:37.960 through security, even going abroad when I go 00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:41.460 back to Canada. I've never had any issues. They 00:49:41.460 --> 00:49:43.019 just treated it like a piece of electronics. 00:49:43.860 --> 00:49:48.659 I will say, to what Dan was trying to talk about 00:49:48.659 --> 00:49:52.980 earlier, which is when we went to Costa Rica 00:49:52.980 --> 00:49:56.699 with the YDXA, that 7300 came in the country 00:49:56.699 --> 00:50:00.190 no problem. When it was time to leave, They were 00:50:00.190 --> 00:50:03.590 asking for some paperwork, and Jim Storm that 00:50:03.590 --> 00:50:07.030 was with us, he was one of the leads. I had already 00:50:07.030 --> 00:50:09.070 had the copy of the invoice that the radio was 00:50:09.070 --> 00:50:11.230 purchased in the U .S. It had already gone through, 00:50:11.510 --> 00:50:15.710 and we were able to take it back. But there was 00:50:15.710 --> 00:50:17.409 a slight hiccup, so that way there was a little 00:50:17.409 --> 00:50:20.769 delay getting through. So to echo what Dan was 00:50:20.769 --> 00:50:22.389 saying, that's absolutely right. Make sure you've 00:50:22.389 --> 00:50:25.030 got all the paperwork and you're fully documented. 00:50:25.839 --> 00:50:28.780 And then as far as operating in other countries, 00:50:29.219 --> 00:50:31.000 Neil, I've shared this story with you before, 00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:36.780 but since I have an American license, and when 00:50:36.780 --> 00:50:39.239 I went to go back to Canada, I was not able to 00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:41.420 use it because I am not an American citizen yet. 00:50:42.179 --> 00:50:49.179 So I had to get a VE license to operate in Canada. 00:50:49.500 --> 00:50:51.539 And if I go in other countries, I was told that 00:50:51.539 --> 00:50:53.940 my US license will not be recognized since I'm 00:50:53.940 --> 00:50:56.420 not a citizen of that country. I will have to 00:50:56.420 --> 00:50:59.880 use my Canadian one. So things like that that 00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:03.159 you don't think about, that doesn't seem to matter 00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:07.230 much. radio amateurs of Canada when they were 00:51:07.230 --> 00:51:09.150 in Dayton a few years back I have the question 00:51:09.150 --> 00:51:10.809 and there were two gentlemen at the table and 00:51:10.809 --> 00:51:13.670 I got two different answers but finally I dug 00:51:13.670 --> 00:51:15.269 through the paperwork and realized that yeah 00:51:15.269 --> 00:51:17.789 I do have to get it which was not a big deal 00:51:17.789 --> 00:51:21.250 but it's one more thing to yeah read the paperwork 00:51:21.250 --> 00:51:23.969 go to the country you're going see what their 00:51:23.969 --> 00:51:26.809 laws are and figure out what you need to do so 00:51:26.809 --> 00:51:28.650 well that's I just wanted to share some of my 00:51:28.650 --> 00:51:32.780 experience Neil Alright, and my apologies. I 00:51:32.780 --> 00:51:35.420 cut off the first few seconds of your audio to 00:51:35.420 --> 00:51:40.039 everybody else, so this is Jocelynk88vrx. So, 00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:43.840 Dan, anything to throw in there? Yeah. Yeah, 00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:47.179 let me add, because he reminded me of something 00:51:47.179 --> 00:51:50.179 along the way, and it's a topic that we did not 00:51:50.179 --> 00:51:53.480 talk about talking about, and that's remote operation. 00:51:56.239 --> 00:52:00.539 International reciprocal agreements are almost 00:52:00.539 --> 00:52:04.280 all exclusively for boots on the ground operation. 00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:08.199 When you read the CEPT treaty, for example, it 00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:10.880 talks about being able to present your license 00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:15.000 to the authorities. It talks about being there 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:18.940 for a short -term visit. And a remote operation, 00:52:19.179 --> 00:52:22.699 I mean, dialing into a Swiss transmitter, is 00:52:22.699 --> 00:52:27.199 certainly not boots on the ground. And CEPT does 00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:31.289 not cover remote operation. nor would it cover 00:52:31.289 --> 00:52:38.909 a remote operation into the U .S. Remote operation 00:52:38.909 --> 00:52:42.730 would also include if you were a foreign national 00:52:42.730 --> 00:52:46.050 visiting the U .S. where you are boots on the 00:52:46.050 --> 00:52:48.050 ground, you're certainly eligible to operate, 00:52:48.309 --> 00:52:50.630 but you could not operate a remote station. You 00:52:50.630 --> 00:52:52.849 couldn't be in Texas and operating a station 00:52:52.849 --> 00:52:56.690 in Spokane because you would be operating under 00:52:56.690 --> 00:53:00.280 CEPT, and CEPT does not allow remote operation 00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:03.360 so I forgot to mention that earlier so I'm glad 00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:07.159 he bought it up to where it reminded me of it. 00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.739 And just a compliment there Neil I have a friend 00:53:10.739 --> 00:53:15.159 that has a remote JK4ZLE that lives about 10 00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:18.480 miles away from me at the very most and he allows 00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:21.739 only US amateurs to transmit for that specific 00:53:21.739 --> 00:53:24.710 reason because he said It's too hard to keep 00:53:24.710 --> 00:53:26.710 up and the maintenance is just not worth it. 00:53:26.710 --> 00:53:28.829 So he's like if they want to operate They have 00:53:28.829 --> 00:53:31.630 to get a u .s. License. Sorry. I I wanted to 00:53:31.630 --> 00:53:34.690 throw that in there real quick Tell today I said 00:53:34.690 --> 00:53:36.969 hello, by the way, I've become a good friend 00:53:36.969 --> 00:53:41.469 over the years Yeah All right. Well, I will let 00:53:41.469 --> 00:53:43.349 you carry on and thank you for taking the call 00:53:43.349 --> 00:53:45.809 Neil. I'll talk to you soon All right, Jocelyn. 00:53:45.809 --> 00:53:51.070 Take care. Good to hear from you. Bye. Bye Okay. 00:53:51.070 --> 00:53:53.469 Well, Dan, we've, we've already kept you over 00:53:53.469 --> 00:53:56.650 time here, so I'm not going to, uh, to keep you 00:53:56.650 --> 00:54:00.070 any longer, but, uh, any, any last thoughts that 00:54:00.070 --> 00:54:03.309 you want to get out here and, and kind of summarize 00:54:03.309 --> 00:54:07.369 what we've talked about here tonight? Yeah. The 00:54:07.369 --> 00:54:11.409 bottom line is no before you go and have fun. 00:54:11.550 --> 00:54:14.500 The bottom line is that's really where you know 00:54:14.500 --> 00:54:16.840 ham radio I know that it's got all sorts of purposes 00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:19.260 that people do experimentation and emergency 00:54:19.260 --> 00:54:22.460 communications and public service but remember 00:54:22.460 --> 00:54:25.400 to enjoy the ride along the way because we got 00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:27.880 into this to have some fun along the way and 00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:30.840 reciprocal operating is certainly something I 00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:33.059 hope people get a chance to do because it really 00:54:33.059 --> 00:54:35.260 is exciting one of the best experiences I've 00:54:35.260 --> 00:54:38.579 ever had two or three times I've been relatively 00:54:38.579 --> 00:54:41.099 rear DX I've been able to operate from there 00:54:41.099 --> 00:54:44.059 I for you on ITU I've been able to operate twice 00:54:44.059 --> 00:54:47.639 from HV0A at the Vatican. And let me tell you 00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:49.260 something nice about about being on that end 00:54:49.260 --> 00:54:51.139 of the pile up, but make sure you got your ducks 00:54:51.139 --> 00:54:55.039 in the road before you go. Yeah, that's, that's 00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:58.000 good. And remind everybody of the website again. 00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:01.880 Yeah, the website, if you go to www .AWRL .org, 00:55:02.260 --> 00:55:04.500 you'll, uh, you can search for just reciprocal 00:55:04.500 --> 00:55:07.980 operating. It'll take you to the page and on 00:55:07.980 --> 00:55:09.960 there, there's a link to the one page or about 00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:19.599 the If you search for international operations, 00:55:19.780 --> 00:55:24.079 you'll find the link on the search output. Okay. 00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:27.300 Very good. So take a look at that for the country 00:55:27.300 --> 00:55:29.940 that you want or, or, or just, you know, if you 00:55:29.940 --> 00:55:33.500 go to Canada, that's easy. So I recommend that 00:55:33.500 --> 00:55:37.739 one, but, but, uh, it's possible. You just gotta 00:55:37.739 --> 00:55:40.239 check it out before you go and make sure you 00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:43.460 do that and plenty of time to do that. Um, Ed 00:55:43.460 --> 00:55:46.559 Durant, DD five LP sent me a whole bunch of stuff 00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:52.219 about, traveling with batteries and I'll just 00:55:52.219 --> 00:55:57.780 throw out here IATA international rules can be 00:55:57.780 --> 00:56:05.039 found at iata .org slash dgr hyphen guidance 00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:12.860 and it talks about Smart Jacket, so it's like 00:56:12.860 --> 00:56:15.679 a case for your cell phone with a battery in 00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:20.900 it. Hoverboard, scooters, and then even radios 00:56:20.900 --> 00:56:24.159 that have some kind of a lithium battery in it. 00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:27.679 Or maybe you've upgraded it and put a lipo in 00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:32.679 it instead of an iCad. There are limits on... 00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:36.119 you know the size of those batteries and everything. 00:56:36.460 --> 00:56:40.280 So make sure you check that out too because those 00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:43.900 lithium batteries can be classified as dangerous 00:56:43.900 --> 00:56:47.739 goods. So I don't have the time to go into everything 00:56:47.739 --> 00:56:51.480 that he sent me unfortunately. But he did want 00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:53.840 to remind everybody to kind of check that out 00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:59.710 too because the batteries can be an issue, so 00:56:59.710 --> 00:57:02.369 be aware of that when traveling as well. Well 00:57:02.369 --> 00:57:04.469 Dan, thank you so much for coming on. You've 00:57:04.469 --> 00:57:08.469 been extremely informative, and I think we might 00:57:08.469 --> 00:57:10.789 have left with more questions than we had to 00:57:10.789 --> 00:57:15.320 start with. I'm not sure, but you've... a lot 00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:18.840 enlightened us as to what this all entails and 00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:21.440 where to find the information and giving us a 00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:25.800 lot of great examples to To try to figure this 00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:30.440 thing out. So my sincerest thanks and Glad to 00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:33.579 have you on tonight It's been fun Neil. Thanks 00:57:33.579 --> 00:57:36.860 for the invitation and like I tell people go 00:57:36.860 --> 00:57:40.539 have some fun. That's our hobby All right. Well, 00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:44.079 that's a wrap for this week's edition of HamTalk 00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:47.079 Live. Thanks to my guests, Dan Henderson, N1ND, 00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:49.320 and everybody out there in cyberspace for listening, 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.239 calling in, writing in. And I'll invite you back 00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:54.820 next Thursday night at 9 p .m. Eastern Time when 00:57:54.820 --> 00:57:58.619 Marty Salloway, NN1C, will be here to talk about 00:57:58.619 --> 00:58:03.699 Team Exuberance, the youth CQ Worldwide WPX contest 00:58:03.699 --> 00:58:07.780 team that will be operating at K3LR. And for 00:58:07.780 --> 00:58:10.179 a list of all of our upcoming guests, just go 00:58:10.179 --> 00:58:13.380 over to HamTalkLive .com. And if you like the 00:58:13.380 --> 00:58:16.199 show, please leave us a review. If you can, that 00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:19.739 helps others find us faster. So for now, this 00:58:19.739 --> 00:58:24.980 is Neil Rapp. WB9VPG saying 7 -3, 7 -5 and may 00:58:24.980 --> 00:58:27.099 the good DX be yours.