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You're listening to HamTalk Live with 00:06:39.149 --> 00:06:42.709 Neil Rapp. Yesterday, my XYL said she'd leave 00:06:42.709 --> 00:07:05.720 me if I didn't give up Ham Radio. Over. Thanks 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:09.300 once again to ICOM America for helping bring 00:07:09.300 --> 00:07:13.160 you HamTalk live each and every week. Check them 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:18.060 out at icomamerica .com slash amateur. Corey 00:07:18.060 --> 00:07:22.759 Shields, KB9JHU, has spent most of his life in 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:25.240 and around Terre Haute and Bloomington, Indiana. 00:07:25.660 --> 00:07:29.939 and has been a ham since 1994. He studied computer 00:07:29.939 --> 00:07:32.720 science and informatics at Indiana University. 00:07:33.220 --> 00:07:35.980 Corey is a manager of system administrators for 00:07:35.980 --> 00:07:39.959 Mozilla, the group behind the Firefox web browser. 00:07:40.740 --> 00:07:43.279 He has a strong interest in digital communications, 00:07:43.819 --> 00:07:45.980 particularly packet, as well as weather spotting, 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:49.379 emergency communications, and contesting. Corey's 00:07:49.379 --> 00:07:52.660 with a group called SatNogs. That is an open 00:07:52.660 --> 00:07:55.639 source ground station network for satellites. 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:59.779 So, Corey, welcome back to HamTalk Live and thanks 00:07:59.779 --> 00:08:03.259 for joining us from the beautiful hills of Brown 00:08:03.259 --> 00:08:06.480 County. Thanks a lot, Neil. I appreciate it. 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:09.819 You know, I had to look up our last interview. 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:13.920 It seems like yesterday, but it was 2016, episode 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:18.459 10. I listened to it earlier today and thought, 00:08:18.819 --> 00:08:22.399 man, the Sat Nogs project has changed so much 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:24.959 over the last few years and grown so much. I'm 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:27.720 excited to share some of those changes. So thanks 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:29.779 for having me on the show. Yeah, we're up to 00:08:29.779 --> 00:08:34.480 158 tonight. So it's been a while. So yeah, let's 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:37.639 catch up a little bit on Sat Nogs. And the big 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:40.639 announcement is this new dashboard that you guys 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:45.590 just announced on January 1. So last time you 00:08:45.590 --> 00:08:48.169 were here talking about, you know, the TAP, the 00:08:48.169 --> 00:08:52.450 Tapper Forum at Hamvention and SatNogs a little 00:08:52.450 --> 00:08:55.950 bit. So before we get into the dashboard, just 00:08:55.950 --> 00:09:00.690 remind us what SatNogs is and what SatNogs does. 00:09:01.830 --> 00:09:05.750 Yeah, so let me first start off by explaining 00:09:05.750 --> 00:09:09.110 the problem that we're trying to tackle and solve. 00:09:09.789 --> 00:09:14.610 It's a good problem. You know, access to space 00:09:14.610 --> 00:09:20.250 is getting cheaper and cheaper. CubeSats are 00:09:20.250 --> 00:09:23.169 an inexpensive form factor of getting a satellite 00:09:23.169 --> 00:09:26.909 into space, and launch vehicles are becoming 00:09:26.909 --> 00:09:33.299 cheaper as well. So with that, there is... new 00:09:33.299 --> 00:09:37.320 CubeSats up in space and up in orbit, and many 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:42.559 of these satellites are, you know, research or 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:46.740 experimental, sent up by a university or a school 00:09:46.740 --> 00:09:49.460 or some other organization, and a lot of them 00:09:49.460 --> 00:09:52.919 are using amateur radio frequencies and hand 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:59.639 bands. So in previous years, the operators would 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:03.000 get to see the satellite pass over their ground 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:06.440 station a couple times a day and get the telemetry 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:13.940 from the satellites a couple times a day versus 00:10:13.940 --> 00:10:17.460 all of the data that's being constantly downlinked 00:10:17.460 --> 00:10:21.440 from these satellites and not listened to. So 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:24.889 there are a lot of... amateur radio enthusiasts 00:10:24.889 --> 00:10:27.649 and satellite enthusiasts around the world who 00:10:27.649 --> 00:10:32.950 chase satellites and collect the data and demodulate 00:10:32.950 --> 00:10:36.830 the data and then send that data back up to the 00:10:36.830 --> 00:10:40.710 operators and many operators have relied on Hammer 00:10:40.710 --> 00:10:44.570 Radio operators for that service. Our goal is 00:10:44.570 --> 00:10:49.419 to automate that entire process because having 00:10:49.419 --> 00:10:53.080 a ham radio operator set at a computer and do 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:57.100 the Doppler correction for the frequency and 00:10:57.100 --> 00:11:00.220 do the decoding and do the uploading and everything 00:11:00.220 --> 00:11:05.139 is not going to scale with the growth of the 00:11:05.139 --> 00:11:07.679 satellites that are out there. So we've written 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:11.340 software to automate this process. It runs on 00:11:11.340 --> 00:11:16.440 a Raspberry Pi and uses cheap SDR dongle like 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:21.440 a RTL SDR. and whatever antennas that a ground 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:25.659 station can provide and it works with a website 00:11:25.659 --> 00:11:31.080 that we've also designed to schedule observations 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:34.500 and then collect the data back from your ground 00:11:34.500 --> 00:11:41.200 stations. And this has largely been across the 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:44.740 pond and it's really grown since we've talked 00:11:44.740 --> 00:11:48.960 last. Yeah, yeah the project started off 2014 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:56.399 and by the Group in the Hacker space in Athens 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:01.100 Greece, so The core team has has been over there 00:12:01.100 --> 00:12:03.179 across the pond, but we've we've had contributors 00:12:03.179 --> 00:12:07.279 from all over the globe now It's it's amazing 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:12.840 to see We've just found out recently of a group 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:16.820 in South Africa that is working on a ground station 00:12:16.820 --> 00:12:20.600 that's going to go into Antarctica. So that's 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:23.000 exciting. It's grown all over the world literally 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:27.019 now. Wow. Well, let's talk a little bit about 00:12:27.019 --> 00:12:29.879 this new dashboard. You made this huge release. 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:36.659 It's a really powerful tool for Gathering and 00:12:36.659 --> 00:12:39.460 looking at all of this data and seeing what's 00:12:39.460 --> 00:12:41.940 going on. So tell us a little bit about this 00:12:41.940 --> 00:12:46.379 new dashboard Yeah, so for for the past few years, 00:12:46.460 --> 00:12:48.259 you know We've we've been working on all of the 00:12:48.259 --> 00:12:50.399 the code and the software to collect the data 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:53.080 And to automate the process of collecting the 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:56.120 data and you know now we're in in our database 00:12:56.120 --> 00:13:00.120 We're up to you know, 32 million frames of satellite 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:06.250 data across 173 satellite so we've got now that 00:13:06.250 --> 00:13:09.750 we've actually collected data on. So then the 00:13:09.750 --> 00:13:11.649 next step is, well, how do we make that data 00:13:11.649 --> 00:13:16.309 useful? Well, operators themselves, some operators 00:13:16.309 --> 00:13:19.009 have their own dashboards and have their own 00:13:19.009 --> 00:13:22.750 ways of making use of telemetry data and we offer 00:13:22.750 --> 00:13:25.649 an API where they can get that data directly 00:13:25.649 --> 00:13:29.350 from our database. But we wanted to take it a 00:13:29.350 --> 00:13:35.309 step further and offer a a decoded database of 00:13:35.309 --> 00:13:38.850 data. To get into the nerdy details of this, 00:13:39.990 --> 00:13:44.210 we write decoders that then take the demodulated 00:13:44.210 --> 00:13:47.350 frames of data from the satellites and decode 00:13:47.350 --> 00:13:51.470 them into actual telemetry data. Your battery 00:13:51.470 --> 00:13:55.610 voltages, your solar panel voltages, the status 00:13:55.610 --> 00:13:58.830 of the experiment that could be on the satellites. 00:14:00.689 --> 00:14:03.549 those frames as they're decoded, they get sent 00:14:03.549 --> 00:14:07.889 into a time series database as they're gonna 00:14:07.889 --> 00:14:12.070 be multiple frames over time so that we can then 00:14:12.070 --> 00:14:15.509 query that data across a period of time. So that 00:14:15.509 --> 00:14:18.350 may be the end of the last 24 hours or that may 00:14:18.350 --> 00:14:20.909 be looking at things over the last 12 months 00:14:20.909 --> 00:14:24.610 to see how satellites' parameters have changed. 00:14:25.549 --> 00:14:29.519 So we've got all of this into this this database 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:32.360 for the satellites that we have decoders for. 00:14:33.379 --> 00:14:35.019 They're not that many today. I think we have 00:14:35.019 --> 00:14:38.080 maybe about 18 or 20 satellites that we have 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:40.679 telemetry decoders written for, but we're getting 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:46.620 more and more every month. And so then we've 00:14:46.620 --> 00:14:49.299 added a graphing component to this. So if you 00:14:49.299 --> 00:14:54.200 go to dashboard .satnogs .org, you can see the 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:58.039 live dashboards for these satellites. And then 00:14:58.350 --> 00:15:02.250 We invite the community to reach out to us and 00:15:02.250 --> 00:15:06.029 to get an account to this dashboard site and 00:15:06.029 --> 00:15:10.210 to basically crowdsource the creation of dashboards 00:15:10.210 --> 00:15:13.509 for satellites. And it doesn't have to be a dashboard 00:15:13.509 --> 00:15:15.730 for a singular satellite. You could have a dashboard 00:15:15.730 --> 00:15:18.070 that spans multiple satellites so you can look 00:15:18.070 --> 00:15:20.950 at the differences between a couple of similar 00:15:20.950 --> 00:15:25.899 satellites. or look at, let's say, you know, 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:28.460 parameters across all of the Fox satellites, 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:34.139 for instance, or APRS satellites. We have an 00:15:34.139 --> 00:15:38.019 APRS satellite monitor in the dashboard as well. 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:42.700 So this has been great. We've had a couple of 00:15:42.700 --> 00:15:44.779 satellite operators actually working with us 00:15:44.779 --> 00:15:48.639 to build their own dashboards within this system. 00:15:49.460 --> 00:15:53.860 So it's... Basically completed the entire process 00:15:53.860 --> 00:15:57.399 of of automating the collection of data from 00:15:57.399 --> 00:16:00.600 the satellites getting it up into the internet 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:05.059 and actually making that data useful in terms 00:16:05.059 --> 00:16:08.840 of graphing Now I'm going out on a limb here. 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:12.240 I should have asked you this before so it may 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:16.340 be a no we can't do that, but I'm just thinking 00:16:16.340 --> 00:16:22.480 of examples of this to offer and I'm thinking 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:27.340 of AO -85 because AO -85 has had some difficulties 00:16:27.340 --> 00:16:30.220 and it's been shut off for a while and turned 00:16:30.220 --> 00:16:33.600 back on and shut off for a while because of some 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:38.080 power and battery issues. Is this something that 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:41.399 you could pull up AO -85 and take a look at the 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:45.639 data and see what's going on with it? Yeah, we 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:49.539 actually do. We've got data for all of the Fox 00:16:49.539 --> 00:16:53.919 satellites. in there today. I will say that we 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:57.600 don't have as much data as the FOX2LM is collecting 00:16:57.600 --> 00:16:59.480 because they have a lot more ground stations 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:03.340 that are feeding data specifically for the FOX 00:17:03.340 --> 00:17:08.259 satellites into the FOX2LM database. But we're 00:17:08.259 --> 00:17:12.950 also in conversations with Chris Thompson. manages 00:17:12.950 --> 00:17:16.109 the FoxLem software on getting our decoded data 00:17:16.109 --> 00:17:20.589 into their dashboard as well so that they can 00:17:20.589 --> 00:17:22.630 make the most use out of it. But yeah, we've 00:17:22.630 --> 00:17:27.349 got a general, if you go to dashboard .satnox 00:17:27.349 --> 00:17:33.309 .org, there is a Fox telemetry dashboard. It's 00:17:33.309 --> 00:17:36.210 a work in progress right now, but it's coming 00:17:36.210 --> 00:17:40.940 there. And then you can pick the Fox satellite 00:17:40.940 --> 00:17:44.579 that you want to look at by its NORAD ID or force 00:17:44.579 --> 00:17:48.160 select all of them to compare between them All 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:51.180 right, very good. Well if somebody wants to get 00:17:51.180 --> 00:17:56.619 involved with this project either using it or 00:17:56.619 --> 00:18:01.019 Contributing to that how can he or she do that? 00:18:02.299 --> 00:18:04.640 There are many ways. There are so many aspects 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:07.339 of this project. First and foremost, setting 00:18:07.339 --> 00:18:12.039 up a ground station, of course, is one way that 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:16.700 we invite contributors if you've got the capability 00:18:16.700 --> 00:18:19.640 of setting up a station with a Raspberry Pi and 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:25.240 an RTL -SDR and maybe a small low noise amplifier 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:27.980 at the antenna, depending on your setup. The 00:18:27.980 --> 00:18:30.940 interesting thing, last time we spoke... Three 00:18:30.940 --> 00:18:35.160 years ago, the project was focused on directional 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:38.619 antennas and rotators with the assumption that 00:18:38.619 --> 00:18:43.440 they would be required for the kind of signal 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:46.460 reception that we were looking to do. Over time, 00:18:46.779 --> 00:18:50.460 people have jumped into the network using omnidirectional 00:18:50.460 --> 00:18:54.720 antennas and the low noise amplifiers. and set 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:57.000 up ground stations much cheaper that way. And 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:00.319 we found a lot of success in those. So turnstile 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:04.180 antennas, Lindenblad antennas, and the like. 00:19:05.380 --> 00:19:10.720 So we've seen a bit of an explosive growth in 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:13.329 the number of ground stations with the... the 00:19:13.329 --> 00:19:15.930 addition of omnidirectional antennas. Now, of 00:19:15.930 --> 00:19:17.529 course, the directional antennas and the rotators 00:19:17.529 --> 00:19:22.470 are still a lot better, but if the listeners 00:19:22.470 --> 00:19:24.049 out there are wondering, you know, can I get 00:19:24.049 --> 00:19:26.569 into this and set up a ground station for the 00:19:26.569 --> 00:19:29.529 cost of, you know, a Raspberry Pi and RTL -SDR 00:19:29.529 --> 00:19:32.589 and a, you know, home -built, you know, Lindenblatt 00:19:32.589 --> 00:19:36.829 antenna, yeah, definitely. So that's one way 00:19:36.829 --> 00:19:41.349 to get involved. Contributions on the code side. 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:46.039 We've got the platform is written in Python and 00:19:46.039 --> 00:19:50.000 the client is written in Python. We make use 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:54.200 of GNU Radio with our own custom scripts to do 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:57.700 demodulation of many different modes. And we're 00:19:57.700 --> 00:20:00.660 always looking to expand that into more modes 00:20:00.660 --> 00:20:05.299 that we don't currently support. So obviously, 00:20:05.500 --> 00:20:11.599 SDR programming is a thing that... we could use 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:14.420 contributions with. We could use contributions 00:20:14.420 --> 00:20:19.579 in writing decoders for the satellites, their 00:20:19.579 --> 00:20:23.839 telemetry for this dashboard. And that uses an 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:28.259 interesting project called KAITI. It's K -A -I 00:20:28.259 --> 00:20:32.619 -T -A -I dot I -O, where you write a structure 00:20:32.619 --> 00:20:37.700 of the actual, the binary format of that telemetry 00:20:37.700 --> 00:20:40.769 packet. and then our software uses that structure 00:20:40.769 --> 00:20:45.609 to decode all of the packets that are in the 00:20:45.609 --> 00:20:49.950 database. And then there's also just helping 00:20:49.950 --> 00:20:53.970 out on our forums and chat channel to answer 00:20:53.970 --> 00:20:56.670 questions or helping out with our documentation. 00:20:57.369 --> 00:21:02.670 We just recently relaunched our Wiki site with 00:21:02.670 --> 00:21:07.470 a much easier to navigate sites, easier to find 00:21:07.470 --> 00:21:11.950 content at wiki .satnaugs .org. All of our documentation 00:21:11.950 --> 00:21:16.150 is up there. So we're always looking for new 00:21:16.150 --> 00:21:19.150 eyes on that documentation where we might have 00:21:19.150 --> 00:21:21.990 blind spots because we're so involved with the 00:21:21.990 --> 00:21:26.009 project. A new fresh look at our documentation 00:21:26.009 --> 00:21:31.069 is always welcome and in an effort to make it 00:21:31.069 --> 00:21:35.640 better. So yeah, as far as actually contributing 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:38.799 and getting started. Like I said, the documentation 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:42.980 is on that Wiki site, wiki .satnobs .org. And 00:21:42.980 --> 00:21:46.980 we have some contribution documentation up there 00:21:46.980 --> 00:21:49.599 that get people started either building a ground 00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:52.859 station or building antennas or contributing 00:21:52.859 --> 00:21:55.400 to the code or how to get in contact with us. 00:21:56.220 --> 00:22:02.539 And our forums are on a... like a messaging board 00:22:02.539 --> 00:22:07.240 that we have at community .satinogs .org. So 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:11.039 you can jump into there and introduce yourself 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:14.720 and we'll definitely put you to work. All right. 00:22:14.779 --> 00:22:17.480 So some good information there. If you want to 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:21.039 get involved in some way with the satinogs group, 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:23.740 there are some opportunities for you and we'll 00:22:23.740 --> 00:22:27.200 talk a little bit more. about some ways that 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:30.900 you can interact with the Sat Nogs group after 00:22:30.900 --> 00:22:34.940 this word from Tower Electronics right here on 00:22:34.940 --> 00:22:40.180 HamTalk Live. I'm sorry to bother you, but I'm 00:22:40.180 --> 00:22:43.440 having an antenna party and I ran out of PL259s. 00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:48.019 Oh, come in. Thank you. Would silver plated PL259s 00:22:48.019 --> 00:22:51.140 from Tower Electronics be too good for your guests? 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:55.039 Those will be fine. Thank you. You saved my life 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:58.680 the other night. Oh, the PL -259s from Tower 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:01.579 Electronics? Yes, they were very successful at 00:23:01.579 --> 00:23:04.519 the antenna party. 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Ham Talk Live with Neil 00:24:00.089 --> 00:24:05.009 Rapp. Hey baby, I'd love to be in your grid square. 00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:20.279 Thanks once again to Tower Electronics for bringing 00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:24.259 you the show and they were scheduled to be at 00:24:24.259 --> 00:24:27.559 the Sevierville, Tennessee, Hamfest this weekend. 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:35.140 But due to some issues with the trailer that 00:24:35.140 --> 00:24:37.279 carries all the stuff, they're not going to be 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:41.460 able to make it after all. So their next planned 00:24:41.460 --> 00:24:45.750 trip will be Belton, Texas on April 6th. and 00:24:45.750 --> 00:24:50.490 then April 13th, Stoughton, Wisconsin, and Mobile, 00:24:50.569 --> 00:24:55.329 Alabama. And you can visit them anytime online 00:24:55.329 --> 00:25:01.730 at PL -259 .com. HamTalk Live is on the air every 00:25:01.730 --> 00:25:04.029 Thursday night at 9 p .m. Eastern Time right 00:25:04.029 --> 00:25:06.450 here at HamTalkLive .com. Be sure to check us 00:25:06.450 --> 00:25:09.529 out on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, and 00:25:09.529 --> 00:25:11.750 Reddit. Whoa, we'll throw Reddit in there tonight. 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:14.440 And real quick, I want to give you an update 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:17.660 on some National Voice of America Museum of Broadcasting 00:25:17.660 --> 00:25:21.039 events. It's their 75th anniversary and we're 00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:22.940 going to have a show on that here in just a couple 00:25:22.940 --> 00:25:28.359 of weeks. But Wednesday, April 3rd, at the Midpoint 00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:31.059 Library in Westchester, Ohio, museum director 00:25:31.059 --> 00:25:33.740 Jack Dominic will be there giving a talk about 00:25:33.740 --> 00:25:36.539 the history of the Bethany Relay Station and 00:25:36.539 --> 00:25:41.019 the museum. And then on April 9th, This is really 00:25:41.019 --> 00:25:44.019 cool. The theater of the mind. Sound effects 00:25:44.019 --> 00:25:47.119 during radio's golden age with Mike Martini, 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:50.200 the president of the museum's media heritage 00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:52.619 collection. And if you listen to any of those 00:25:52.619 --> 00:25:55.160 old radio shows, and sometimes Sunday nights 00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:58.859 I'm driving and I hear the When Radio Was show, 00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:03.579 and the sound effects just make everything. And 00:26:03.579 --> 00:26:06.519 so that's a pretty cool deal. Another one that's 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:09.569 coming up later on in the summer is there's a 00:26:09.569 --> 00:26:14.410 radio inside my cell phone. So I like that. That's 00:26:14.410 --> 00:26:18.609 a good way to introduce some radio topics to 00:26:18.609 --> 00:26:21.349 people that don't realize there's a radio in 00:26:21.349 --> 00:26:24.009 your cell phone. So we'll be talking more about 00:26:24.009 --> 00:26:26.869 that next month on a special episode of HamTalk 00:26:26.869 --> 00:26:29.950 Live and announce the special Hamvention hours 00:26:29.950 --> 00:26:34.690 for the museum and an added bonus. It's a surprise. 00:26:35.349 --> 00:26:41.109 We're excited to hear about a new tour that's 00:26:41.109 --> 00:26:45.410 going to be during Hamvention weekend as well 00:26:45.410 --> 00:26:49.029 from the museum. So make sure you tune in for 00:26:49.029 --> 00:26:50.930 that. We're on the air every Thursday night at 00:26:50.930 --> 00:26:54.529 9 p .m. Eastern Time at HamTalkLive .com and 00:26:54.529 --> 00:26:57.490 it's time now for your call. So if you have a 00:26:57.490 --> 00:27:00.569 question for Corey, give us a call. That phone 00:27:00.569 --> 00:27:07.490 number is 812 -650 -9556. Or you can tweet us, 00:27:07.690 --> 00:27:10.529 it's at HamTalk Live. If you're listening to 00:27:10.529 --> 00:27:15.109 us on WTWW or on the podcast edition, you won't 00:27:15.109 --> 00:27:17.910 be able to reach us because it's Thursday night 00:27:17.910 --> 00:27:21.630 right now as we're recording this. And so we're 00:27:21.630 --> 00:27:24.670 not there. So if you're listening live, give 00:27:24.670 --> 00:27:31.000 us a call, 812 -650 -9556. And while we're waiting 00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:35.960 on the calls and tweets, Corey, I know that you're 00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:39.279 involved a lot with the booth at Hamvention. 00:27:39.859 --> 00:27:42.460 And we've got our Hamvention preview coming up 00:27:42.460 --> 00:27:45.759 here in just a few weeks as well. So tell us 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:48.539 a little bit about how people can interact with 00:27:48.539 --> 00:27:51.400 Sat Nogs if they are visiting at Hamvention. 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:58.380 Yeah, Hamvenge is always great. We love all the 00:27:58.380 --> 00:28:01.279 feedback that we get from visitors there. And 00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:03.440 assuming we have the same booth that we haven't 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:05.460 had in the last two years, we'll be right next 00:28:05.460 --> 00:28:09.220 to the AMSAT booth, so it'll be easy to find 00:28:09.220 --> 00:28:12.220 us that way. Obviously, we'll be showing off 00:28:12.220 --> 00:28:17.119 the new dashboard this year and showing how the 00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:22.140 data can actually be used and processed. And 00:28:22.140 --> 00:28:26.180 we will have the 3D printed rotator as well. 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:31.180 That's always a huge hit. Everyone likes to see 00:28:31.180 --> 00:28:36.440 a 3D printed ASL rotator. Unfortunately, everyone 00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:38.980 also asks for a kit and we just don't have the 00:28:38.980 --> 00:28:41.700 infrastructure to build or sell or support kits 00:28:41.700 --> 00:28:44.940 yet. But we'll probably be doing a little bit 00:28:44.940 --> 00:28:49.420 more with that as an active ground station assuming 00:28:49.420 --> 00:28:54.980 that The weather isn't too windy for a portable 00:28:54.980 --> 00:28:59.400 setup. We'll probably set it outside of the building 00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:03.480 there by our booth and let it go and see what 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:05.819 kind of data that we collect. And then we can 00:29:05.819 --> 00:29:11.279 actually, using the query capabilities of our 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:13.559 dashboards, we can actually build a dashboard 00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:17.619 of data specifically collected there at Ham Fetching. 00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:22.539 It's going to be cool. Lots of good stuff to 00:29:22.539 --> 00:29:26.059 see. We'll also have some more updates on some 00:29:26.059 --> 00:29:30.259 of the other LibreSpace foundation projects and 00:29:30.259 --> 00:29:33.720 the new SDR maker space that they've just set 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:36.839 up in the last year. So plenty of literature 00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:39.779 to pick up, plenty of developers to talk to if 00:29:39.779 --> 00:29:42.579 you want to stop by the booth and ask us more 00:29:42.579 --> 00:29:45.579 questions about what it's all about or see demos. 00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:50.089 We'll be there to show it off. Okay, so a great 00:29:50.089 --> 00:29:54.230 opportunity to. to talk with some more of the 00:29:54.230 --> 00:29:56.829 developers and people and see some of this stuff 00:29:56.829 --> 00:29:59.549 in action at Hamvention. So if you get a chance, 00:29:59.769 --> 00:30:02.589 stop by there. And if you have a question, right 00:30:02.589 --> 00:30:05.869 now is the time to just give us a call. It's 00:30:05.869 --> 00:30:10.730 812 -650 -9556. You don't have to go to Hamvention 00:30:10.730 --> 00:30:12.789 to ask your question. You can just pick up the 00:30:12.789 --> 00:30:18.490 phone. 812 -650 -9556. Or if your mic is shy, 00:30:18.609 --> 00:30:22.079 you can tweet us. At ham talk live on Twitter. 00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:26.259 We're watching that and seeing some some fan 00:30:26.259 --> 00:30:31.559 mail there, but no questions just yet, so We 00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:35.079 we appreciate that and and and I think you were 00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:38.539 talking during the the break we probably need 00:30:38.539 --> 00:30:42.380 to give a special shout out here because You've 00:30:42.380 --> 00:30:44.759 got one of your your team members. That's actually 00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:50.329 up listening to this over in Greece Yeah, yeah. 00:30:50.529 --> 00:30:53.710 Definitely a shout out to Elkos. He works the 00:30:53.710 --> 00:31:00.250 night shift at a sleep study facility. So hopefully 00:31:00.250 --> 00:31:02.750 his patients are asleep and he's able to listen 00:31:02.750 --> 00:31:06.670 in. But yeah, he's on the Core Dev team over 00:31:06.670 --> 00:31:10.170 out of Athens, Greece. I'm sorry to say that 00:31:10.170 --> 00:31:14.309 when I did my overnight sleep study, I didn't 00:31:14.309 --> 00:31:21.420 sleep. So My suggestion was to put this on speaker. 00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:26.240 Let me talk them to sleep and Well, yeah Well, 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:29.119 I don't know that didn't work for me I think 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:33.019 they did finally squeeze four hours out of out 00:31:33.019 --> 00:31:37.849 of the night, but It was it was rough So I don't 00:31:37.849 --> 00:31:42.670 envy that job. So shout out to you. Hopefully 00:31:42.670 --> 00:31:46.349 you're having an easy night and listening here. 00:31:48.029 --> 00:31:50.990 Let's talk a little bit and again eight one two 00:31:50.990 --> 00:31:53.450 six five zero nine five five six is the number 00:31:53.450 --> 00:31:57.130 or tweet us at hem talk live Let's talk, you 00:31:57.130 --> 00:31:59.349 know, what's next? What's what's some upcoming 00:31:59.349 --> 00:32:02.990 projects that you're looking at? What do you 00:32:02.990 --> 00:32:08.329 see in the dashboard expansion on that? What 00:32:08.329 --> 00:32:12.109 do you see happening in the next few years? Well, 00:32:12.210 --> 00:32:16.950 there's in terms of next steps for for sat nogs 00:32:16.890 --> 00:32:21.910 Right now, a lot of the data collection is still 00:32:21.910 --> 00:32:26.250 manually scheduled, even though we're scheduling 00:32:26.250 --> 00:32:31.569 a couple thousand observations per day. Right 00:32:31.569 --> 00:32:34.309 now, we're working on ways of automating that 00:32:34.309 --> 00:32:38.660 process. going to have fully automated scheduling. 00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:42.240 There are different ways of approaching this 00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:47.019 and determining what priorities a ground station 00:32:47.019 --> 00:32:50.180 operator might want to use this ground station 00:32:50.180 --> 00:32:54.380 for versus new satellites that are launched and 00:32:54.380 --> 00:32:58.779 you want that initial telemetry coming out. But 00:32:58.779 --> 00:33:03.380 having that fully automated will be the next 00:33:03.380 --> 00:33:07.880 step. And you also want to be considerate of 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:11.000 the ground station owners wishes in terms of 00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:15.599 how much their ground station is used. Some rotators 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:21.039 are not going to appreciate a 24 by 7 duty cycle. 00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:25.279 So that's got to be part of the consideration 00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:28.920 as well. On the dashboard and the actual data 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:32.369 that we're collecting, I mean, we've just scratched 00:33:32.369 --> 00:33:35.650 the surface by being able to visualize some of 00:33:35.650 --> 00:33:39.690 this. I think there's plenty of opportunity for 00:33:39.690 --> 00:33:42.869 people to jump in and dig into the data. What 00:33:42.869 --> 00:33:47.650 do some of these trends mean? Is there a common 00:33:47.650 --> 00:33:52.390 trend in certain? battery configurations or solar 00:33:52.390 --> 00:33:57.369 panel configurations or what can we learn from 00:33:57.369 --> 00:34:01.089 the life cycle of various satellites that we're 00:34:01.089 --> 00:34:05.970 collecting telemetry from. So that's another 00:34:05.970 --> 00:34:10.289 opportunity. We have the, like I mentioned a 00:34:10.289 --> 00:34:15.570 second ago, the new SDR Maker space. The website 00:34:15.570 --> 00:34:20.889 for that is strmaker .space. It's a European 00:34:20.889 --> 00:34:25.150 Space Agency funded initiative for improving 00:34:25.150 --> 00:34:29.369 and furthering software -defined radio technologies 00:34:29.369 --> 00:34:34.090 for space, which is right in our wheelhouse here. 00:34:34.809 --> 00:34:37.369 So a lot of different projects there on improving 00:34:37.369 --> 00:34:41.449 some new radio code for satellite communications. 00:34:42.369 --> 00:34:45.869 even looking into deep neural networks and machine 00:34:45.869 --> 00:34:51.110 learning on how can we use artificial intelligence 00:34:51.110 --> 00:34:53.309 and machine learning to make better use of some 00:34:53.309 --> 00:34:58.369 of this data and get better at decoding some 00:34:58.369 --> 00:35:01.610 of the signals that we're getting. So yeah, a 00:35:01.610 --> 00:35:04.530 lot of work on the dev side and the software 00:35:04.530 --> 00:35:10.199 side of the receivers that we've got. Okay, a 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:14.420 1 2 6 5 0 9 5 5 6 we're gonna wrap things up 00:35:14.420 --> 00:35:18.159 shortly. So if you'd like to call in Now is the 00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:23.900 time to do so you sent me some statistics before 00:35:23.900 --> 00:35:28.719 the show tonight and one of the one of the graphs 00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:34.050 that I'm looking at here is the network cumulative 00:35:34.050 --> 00:35:40.449 observations and in fourth quarter of 2017, you're 00:35:40.449 --> 00:35:44.329 down, you know, in the probably 10 to 20 ,000 00:35:44.329 --> 00:35:51.030 range and then we're looking at now and you're 00:35:51.030 --> 00:35:55.869 pushing 500 ,000. Yeah, that's and like I said, 00:35:55.889 --> 00:35:58.010 the growth has been explosive. I was looking 00:35:58.010 --> 00:36:03.659 at the stations creation date in our database 00:36:03.659 --> 00:36:08.019 and the last time we had this interview in 2016 00:36:08.019 --> 00:36:12.039 we had four stations in our production network 00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:18.159 and today we're well over 500. Not all of them 00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:21.099 are online all the time and some of them are 00:36:21.099 --> 00:36:24.639 future planned stations. I'm looking right now 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:29.570 at about 170 that are that are online and active 00:36:29.570 --> 00:36:32.730 at this moment. So yeah, it's it's grown a lot 00:36:32.730 --> 00:36:37.489 since then and The network that we have with 00:36:37.489 --> 00:36:40.150 those ground stations I should also add that's 00:36:40.150 --> 00:36:44.530 just one way of contributing data into our pipeline 00:36:44.530 --> 00:36:50.510 We also work with third party software developers 00:36:50.510 --> 00:36:54.489 who who have decoders for satellites and we get 00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:58.360 much more data from them coming into our database 00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:04.059 as well. So, DK3WN has a whole suite of satellite 00:37:04.059 --> 00:37:07.300 decoder apps for Windows that a lot of people 00:37:07.300 --> 00:37:10.380 will use, and those can forward data into our 00:37:10.380 --> 00:37:16.079 database. And GR Satellites, which is a good 00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:19.719 new radio module, will do the same as well. So 00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:22.619 we've got multiple streams of data coming into 00:37:22.619 --> 00:37:27.659 the database. And that database is up to about 00:37:27.659 --> 00:37:31.980 32 million frames currently. So yeah, a lot of 00:37:31.980 --> 00:37:35.000 growth. It's been great. Yeah, it really looks 00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:40.480 explosive. And it's credit to the team of... 00:37:40.329 --> 00:37:42.489 you know sticking with it and putting together 00:37:42.489 --> 00:37:45.570 some some good good software and Getting the 00:37:45.570 --> 00:37:48.510 word out and getting out there to you know, things 00:37:48.510 --> 00:37:51.969 like hamvention and and some of these other uh 00:37:51.969 --> 00:37:55.929 venues around the world and yeah and getting 00:37:55.929 --> 00:37:58.750 the word out Yeah, I I think i'll credit the 00:37:58.750 --> 00:38:03.710 the growth to to uh Two big things one one was 00:38:03.710 --> 00:38:06.730 that we Instead of installing the software by 00:38:06.730 --> 00:38:09.210 hand and having to go through, you know a whole 00:38:09.210 --> 00:38:13.409 uh wiki page of steps to get the software working. 00:38:13.690 --> 00:38:17.829 We now have a Raspberry Pi image that is generated 00:38:17.829 --> 00:38:20.789 with all the software on there. So you just burn 00:38:20.789 --> 00:38:24.409 the Raspberry Pi image as you would any other 00:38:24.409 --> 00:38:29.309 image and pop it into the Raspberry Pi. Log in 00:38:29.309 --> 00:38:32.269 and run a command to to set up the the satin 00:38:32.269 --> 00:38:36.150 aux client So we made a much easier for the ground 00:38:36.150 --> 00:38:39.010 station operators to actually get started that 00:38:39.010 --> 00:38:44.750 and and the The the trial and success of omnidirectional 00:38:44.750 --> 00:38:47.510 antennas has really lowered the barrier for a 00:38:47.510 --> 00:38:51.849 lot of people. So yeah, definitely If you're 00:38:51.849 --> 00:38:54.969 thinking about trying it out and you've got spare 00:38:54.969 --> 00:38:58.480 Raspberry Pi sitting around a spare antenna grab 00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:03.559 our client and sign up on our network website 00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:07.980 and get started. Now, I have to end with this 00:39:07.980 --> 00:39:12.340 story. We're just about done here, but I have 00:39:12.340 --> 00:39:14.400 to end with a story. You're talking about the 00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:19.019 ease of omnidirectional antennas. You know what 00:39:19.019 --> 00:39:23.440 I'm going to talk about. We're at a club function. 00:39:25.579 --> 00:39:28.139 I'm trying to show some people how to work some 00:39:28.139 --> 00:39:30.260 of the Fox satellites, and I'm sitting in my 00:39:30.260 --> 00:39:34.340 car with the whip on the back, you know, an omnidirectional 00:39:34.340 --> 00:39:38.280 antenna, and I think I had the arrow with me, 00:39:38.460 --> 00:39:42.780 but you're out running around with your arrow, 00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:46.320 pointing it everywhere, you know, at all these 00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:51.349 satellites, and all of a sudden you hear WB9BPG. 00:39:53.650 --> 00:39:55.730 And I started looking for you. I'm like, where's 00:39:55.730 --> 00:39:59.250 he pointing his arrow? No, you were in your car. 00:40:00.050 --> 00:40:02.809 Yeah, I didn't even have the arrow out. And he's 00:40:02.809 --> 00:40:05.269 like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. He's here. 00:40:05.329 --> 00:40:07.530 He's right here. I just saw him a minute ago. 00:40:08.250 --> 00:40:12.829 And yeah, I've had a lot of luck with the Fox 00:40:12.829 --> 00:40:16.969 satellites just using an omnidirectional antenna. 00:40:18.420 --> 00:40:23.420 This summer I'm gonna try to get that arrow and 00:40:23.420 --> 00:40:27.099 I'm gonna you know out and and use it more but 00:40:27.099 --> 00:40:30.559 I made some early attempts with it and it worked 00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:35.920 but It's just so much easier to do the omnidirectional 00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:39.619 that and it's kind of locked me into AO 91 and 00:40:39.619 --> 00:40:42.860 92 that's the the downside is it it locks me 00:40:42.860 --> 00:40:46.239 into those but But hopefully this summer we can 00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:49.030 start doing that but it works Yeah, yeah, no, 00:40:49.030 --> 00:40:52.329 the on these do work We we do recommend a low 00:40:52.329 --> 00:40:54.750 noise amplifier on it and you can get those on 00:40:54.750 --> 00:40:58.389 eBay for 20 bucks But it makes a world of difference 00:40:58.389 --> 00:41:01.610 or you can go the the total opposite in in the 00:41:01.610 --> 00:41:06.550 spectrum and we have had a couple occasions where 00:41:06.550 --> 00:41:09.769 One of our users has set up a satin aux client 00:41:09.769 --> 00:41:14.090 on the and I'm gonna botch this up on the dwingaloo 00:41:14.090 --> 00:41:20.099 radio observatory and I mean, we were able to, 00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:26.159 or they were able to decode perfect signals from 00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:30.280 horizon to horizon on a two -degree pass. It's 00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:35.940 crazy. But we've got a post about that in our 00:41:35.940 --> 00:41:39.039 community site, community .satanogs .org. You 00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:42.059 can see. Pictures I think there's even a YouTube 00:41:42.059 --> 00:41:46.360 video of them running sat nogs on the this massive 00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:51.079 radio observatory What's the I'm trying to look 00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:55.619 it up. Yeah, it's a 25 meter dish Wow Sat nogs 00:41:55.619 --> 00:41:57.960 on a 25 meter dish or an omnidirectional antenna. 00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:00.579 Yeah, we'll do it all. Yeah, there you go Well, 00:42:00.579 --> 00:42:03.300 we've we've got a call on the line. So let's 00:42:03.300 --> 00:42:11.599 take the call here Welcome to ham talk live NCW 00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:14.800 thanks for having me up so tonight It's in for 00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:19.280 DCW and I have to say it I got it right I didn't 00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:24.000 do CDW Because I did that on the logbook of the 00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.159 world when I went and did my little expedition 00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:29.019 over spring break I got I got it backwards so 00:42:29.019 --> 00:42:31.960 in for DCW. Thanks for for calling in. What's 00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:35.739 your question? Yeah, I just want to say, number 00:42:35.739 --> 00:42:38.699 one, thanks to Corey for saving my bacon. A couple 00:42:38.699 --> 00:42:40.679 of times when my voice recorder didn't work out, 00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:44.980 I could go on and get the files or audio files 00:42:44.980 --> 00:42:48.099 because I missed. So related to that, and this 00:42:48.099 --> 00:42:51.239 is my question, is I'm outside pointing my arrow 00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:53.780 in the sky and recording them, and I just got 00:42:53.780 --> 00:42:56.780 them in a file on my computer. Is there a need 00:42:56.780 --> 00:43:00.659 for audio files like that from the FM satellites 00:43:00.659 --> 00:43:06.260 for your database? We don't currently have a 00:43:06.260 --> 00:43:10.159 way of like uploading them That that you would 00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:16.000 have saved locally I think there's there's always 00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.739 a deed there. I mean obviously, you know when 00:43:18.739 --> 00:43:22.800 Someone like yourself has made a quick contact 00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:25.039 and not being able to record it. It's great to 00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:28.059 have it recorded somewhere So yeah, that's that's 00:43:28.059 --> 00:43:32.800 always been been great and the for us and and 00:43:32.710 --> 00:43:35.670 AMSAT as well. The side benefit of the FOX satellites 00:43:35.670 --> 00:43:39.570 is that if we're always using the data under 00:43:39.570 --> 00:43:42.690 voice decoder, we're going to get the added benefit 00:43:42.690 --> 00:43:46.469 of extracting telemetry from that observation, 00:43:46.769 --> 00:43:52.349 as well as the FM voice. But no, we don't have 00:43:52.349 --> 00:43:54.389 a way of being able to upload something like 00:43:54.389 --> 00:43:59.119 that yet. There have been discussions about changing 00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:01.780 the entire design of the network client relationship 00:44:01.780 --> 00:44:05.340 especially when it comes to The concept of auto 00:44:05.340 --> 00:44:08.340 scheduling, you know, maybe the the network just 00:44:08.340 --> 00:44:12.539 needs to accept Submissions from clients or users 00:44:12.539 --> 00:44:17.110 in this case arbitrarily rather than the network 00:44:17.110 --> 00:44:20.489 actually scheduling things out. So it may come 00:44:20.489 --> 00:44:22.690 in the future, it's just not there today. But 00:44:22.690 --> 00:44:26.090 yeah, I'm glad we were able to have an observation 00:44:26.090 --> 00:44:31.949 there for your QSO, that's great. Yeah, no, thanks 00:44:31.949 --> 00:44:33.889 so much, I appreciate it. Neil, thanks for having 00:44:33.889 --> 00:44:36.610 the show, learned a lot, and y 'all keep going. 00:44:38.349 --> 00:44:41.769 All right, thanks for calling in. Y 'all have 00:44:41.769 --> 00:44:46.340 a good night. All right, you too. All right, 00:44:46.380 --> 00:44:50.360 thanks for for giving us calling for DCW Well, 00:44:50.619 --> 00:44:54.019 that's gonna finish things up here Cory. So any 00:44:54.019 --> 00:44:58.039 last comments before you go? No, thanks for having 00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:00.840 me again. I you know, we'll do this again in 00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:07.650 another three years and Or sooner We'll see how 00:45:07.650 --> 00:45:10.590 much further this has gone from there. But it's 00:45:10.590 --> 00:45:14.670 a great project. The development team is a lot 00:45:14.670 --> 00:45:17.349 of fun to work with. The satellite enthusiasts, 00:45:17.530 --> 00:45:20.409 I mean, we're all just really excited about space, 00:45:20.489 --> 00:45:23.650 really excited about satellites. So it's a great 00:45:23.650 --> 00:45:26.409 community to be a part of, even if you can't 00:45:26.409 --> 00:45:29.210 get a ground station on the air. We've got a 00:45:29.210 --> 00:45:32.130 lot of people who are involved in our forums, 00:45:32.510 --> 00:45:35.159 maybe in an apartment. can't do a ground station, 00:45:35.380 --> 00:45:39.380 that's fine. Just get involved and say hi. We're 00:45:39.380 --> 00:45:44.980 all enthusiasts here. Bill's on the chat here, 00:45:44.980 --> 00:45:47.380 says my vertical used to work okay until I finally 00:45:47.380 --> 00:45:59.590 built a turnstile. So yeah styles are I I've 00:45:59.590 --> 00:46:02.949 seen a lot of success with the The the turnstiles 00:46:02.949 --> 00:46:06.889 so and they're they're easy to build So we've 00:46:06.889 --> 00:46:10.789 seen a lot of those there's a bit of a modified 00:46:10.789 --> 00:46:14.610 turnstile. I've seen coming from a company in 00:46:14.610 --> 00:46:18.969 Europe that's got a like a 45 degree bent top 00:46:18.969 --> 00:46:23.289 to it But then turnstile base and that's been 00:46:23.289 --> 00:46:28.369 a really successful antenna as well. I know that 00:46:28.369 --> 00:46:31.489 there's one up on top of the Chabot Space and 00:46:31.489 --> 00:46:35.230 Science Center in Oakland, California. And they 00:46:35.230 --> 00:46:38.289 have a sat -nog station there as well as a sat 00:46:38.289 --> 00:46:41.710 -nog exhibit as part of their mission control 00:46:41.710 --> 00:46:44.329 exhibit. So it's been fun to be a part of that, 00:46:44.630 --> 00:46:49.809 too. Oh, very good. That's very cool and exciting. 00:46:50.329 --> 00:46:54.920 And lots more to come, so we'll be... tuned in 00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:59.360 and and watch for that and I will we'll see you 00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:03.460 at Dayton if not before Down the street or something 00:47:03.460 --> 00:47:08.599 But thanks for coming on the show and updating 00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:13.059 us on everything and We'll do it again Thanks 00:47:13.059 --> 00:47:14.280 a lot Neil. Thanks for happening. Appreciate 00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:18.219 it All right, that is a wrap for this week's 00:47:18.219 --> 00:47:22.530 ham talk live. Thanks to Corey Shields KB9JHU 00:47:22.530 --> 00:47:24.690 and everyone out there in cyberspace for listening 00:47:24.690 --> 00:47:28.010 and calling in. And you're invited back next 00:47:28.010 --> 00:47:31.050 Thursday night at 9 p .m. Eastern Time. 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