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ICOM radios. Good evening, everyone. It's time

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for HamTalk Live. It's episode number 166, Equinox,

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a science fiction book with Ham Radio recorded

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live on Thursday, May 23rd, 2019. I'm your host,

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Neil Rapp, WB9VPG. Thanks for tuning in to this

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episode of HamTalk Live. Tonight we're joined

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by author DM Barrett. In for ECW and we'll take

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your calls live in just a few minutes. Last week

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we were live in Dayton, bringing you the last

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minute details about Hamvention and, uh, hope

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you've recovered. It's taken a couple of days

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to get everything back in place and caught up

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on all the email and. and all that kind of thing,

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but finally starting to recover from Hamvention.

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So I hope you were able to enjoy it. And if you

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couldn't go, I hope you were able to at least

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enjoy some of the media that were there over

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Hamvention weekend. And if you missed the show,

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you can listen anytime at HamTalkLive .com or

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on your favorite podcast app or on YouTube. And

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of course, we're rebroadcast. on WTWW 5085 a

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.m. Saturday evenings at about 630 p .m. Eastern

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Time so you can check that out. One thing coming

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up I want to remind you 100 watts in a wire or

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as we called it last week 100 wires in a what?

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tune up activity. It's going to be field day

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before too long and tune up is kind of check

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out your antennas get some reports and and just

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get on the air and there are some prizes involved

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and some other things so that's June 7th through

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9th. So that's coming up so if you're interested

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in running the tune up with the 100 watts and

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a wire folks. June 7th through 9th is when that

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will take place. We'll talk more about that here

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in the next couple of weeks as that gets closer.

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So tonight, Dennis Barrett, Dr. Dennis Barrett

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in for ECW is with us. We'll talk about his new

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book, so get your questions ready to go and we'll

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give you the phone number for that. If you're

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listening to us live on Thursday night, You can

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give us a call later on in the show after we

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do the interview and that phone number to call

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is 812 -650 -9556 tonight again 812 -650 -9556

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is the phone number to call or you can type to

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us on Twitter. We'll check at HamTalk Live on

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Twitter as the night goes on. And if you're on

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Spreaker, you can type to us on there as well.

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And if you're listening to the podcast or the

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rebroadcast over on WTWW, we're not going to

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be there because it's Thursday night now. And,

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um, you'll be hearing this at a different time.

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It was good to hang out with them at Hamvention

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this past weekend. Obviously that's not coming

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up this weekend anymore, but it's good to hang

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out with them and be at the ICOM booth there

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for a while. And they were showing off all kinds

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of good things and giving away some stuff too.

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My goodness. So hope you had a chance to check

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that out. But if you haven't, go over to icomamerica

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.com slash amateur and you can see all their

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new goodies. Well, tonight with us is Dennis

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Barrett, PhD, a retired engineering and management

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consultant that resides in Land O 'Lakes, Florida.

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He's the author of the science fiction book Equinox

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that has taken amateur and shortwave radio into

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the cultural mainstream and its version of a

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limited alien invasion storyline. And it's, uh,

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the book is available on Kindle, Amazon and Barnes

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and Noble. So Dennis, good evening. Welcome to

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HamTalk Live. Well, thank you, Neil. I'm excited

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about being here and I appreciate the invitation

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and, uh, look forward to, you know, having a

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discussion with you. Yeah, well, let's talk a

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little bit about the idea for how this book came

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about equinox How did you get the idea to write

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this? Well, the the book is based on two source

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materials one is a Revelation chapter 9 is primarily

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9 1 through about 11 where the book speaks about

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an actual locust invasion of five months and

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how it will happen and what its effect will be.

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It doesn't say how it ends up, but apparently

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it ends up favorably. And then there's a Cherokee

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rattlesnake prophecy of the 1800s, early 1800s,

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which speaks to two constellations being at war,

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two groups in two constellations being at war.

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Could very well just be an astrological situation.

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There's a lot of things in that that's relevant

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to this. So one day I decided I would come up

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with a storyline. I did not intend to write a

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book. I intended to write a narrative that could

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be turned into a television show. And that's

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what brought me to this. The Ham radio part was,

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I think, necessary to the storyline because you've

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got a group of resistance people that's founded

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at a shortwave station. shortwave and, um, amateur

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radio seemed like logical tools in this, um,

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resistance movement. Okay. Well, yeah, let's

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talk a little bit about how ham radio ties into

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this storyline. Well, it's, it's patterned after

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the station, you have your, uh, show broadcast

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on, on Saturday afternoons, WTWW. Those folks

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are amateur radio operators. who are at a shortwave

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station. I spent time there, and they have a

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radio station there, and being a worldwide radio

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station on the international shortwave, they

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pick up on the situation in Florida, the disaster

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that's taking place there, and they get on the

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radio, which was an ICOM 7800, by the way. I

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guess that's the... the brand of choice of the

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resistance. They talk to some hams in Florida

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and see what's happening. They begin to report

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what they've got. There's pretty much a shutdown

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of the national media and everything because

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of the nature of the disaster, the blast. And

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one of the guys becomes a... an actor of sorts,

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he becomes the colonel, the leader of the resistance,

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just to kind of talk about, ultimately becomes

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the real colonel that leads the fight. So that

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was the genesis of it. Ham radio was used throughout

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the book. It's not a CQ magazine article. If

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you want that, Rich puts out a real good magazine.

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Yes, he does. I'm pitching for Rich, but if you're

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expecting to go in and find 50 % about Ham Radio

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and 50 % about the plotline, it's not there.

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But what it does, I think, is people who are

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interested in sci -fi, religious fiction. Alien

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invasion fiction, science fiction generally,

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post -apocalyptic fiction. It puts ham radio

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and shortwave in a very positive light, and it

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shows, hey, if things really get bad, here's

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what you can count on. Shortwave radio to keep

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you informed, and ham radio to keep the people

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that are on the ground informed, especially when

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nothing else is available. I think when people

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say it blends science fiction with amateur radio,

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I think that's a good term. It is blended. But

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it is not exclusive ham radio. It's not one of

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the books you can buy from ARRL. Uh, with the

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schematics in it, it tells you how to build things.

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It doesn't tell you how to build the icon. I

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see 7 ,800. So now you're not going to, it's

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not going to tell you how to build one, but it

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will take some good radio and they use it in

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a tight. So you've kind of blended it in and

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it makes me think of some of the things I do

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and some of the conversations we have on this

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show about, um, bringing new people into ham

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radio and bringing young people especially into

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ham radio because that's that's pretty much what

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I do is You know, you may not get everybody licensed

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you may not get Everybody being a ham radio operator,

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but if they're aware of ham radio and what it

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does You know, sometimes those people like, you

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know end up on homeowners association boards

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Yeah, you are exactly right, Neil. One of the

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things about the book, Equinox, is it's selling

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to a non -Ham audience. I'm looking at the numbers

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and where they're coming from. The first two

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weeks, the book was number one in Germany, an

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English book that was number one in Germany,

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number two in the UK, number three in the US.

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number three in Canada, number five in Australia.

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And it stayed there kind of like a camel with

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a lot of humps. It goes up and down. But it's

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touching a genre that is not populated by a lot

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of ham operators. And as I look at the people

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that are ham operators that are buying the book

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or downloading the book, It's a lot of people

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that obviously don't read a lot of e -books and

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may not read a lot of books generally. Now, I'm

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not being critical because I prefer to read a

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non -fiction book over a fiction book most of

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the time. But I think it is getting to a lot

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of people who are not in the avocation. They're

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not in the hobby. But they do find out that it

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is important and necessary at times. Well, let's

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talk a little bit about how the book's doing

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and how people can get a hold of it. You had

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it out here for just really a short time and

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it's really kind of taken off. Neil, we've been

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out about six weeks and it's done great. Just

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a couple of weeks ago, it dropped a little bit

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for the last few days. It's still in the top

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25, 20, 25 books in the genre. But it sold, my

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wife told me this morning, a little over 7 ,000

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copies. 98 % of those are the e -book version,

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and the rest is the paperback version. There

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are 800 ,000 to a million current e -books on

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Amazon. And it's disputed as to whether it's

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800 ,000, 900 ,000, a million. Look before the

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show we were 64 ,000 of all ebooks that they

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sell and that puts us in the top 8 % Now the

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no when I got to number three in the genre Excuse

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me number four in the genre and I was at number

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three The book that that was having the hardest

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time to overcome was a book written in 1995 by

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two gentlemen Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, the

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book's called Left Behind. There's been a movie,

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an older movie, and then there was a reboot of

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that movie in 2014. So in order to get on up

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on the charts in the religious fiction, religious

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science fiction, I've got to get past those guys

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and that's gonna be a... There's a lot of fans

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of that left behind series. Oh, it's great. It's

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really good. I watched the movie a few weeks

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ago, the rebooted movie. One thing I wanted to

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talk just a little more about is about criticisms.

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And there are some valid criticisms about this

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book. One of the things that, that people found

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out is when you download this book I It's set

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by Kindle to play on a cell phone on a Kindle

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on a computer screen on a tablet an iPad It goes

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up as a PDF which locks the format Nothing can

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change when they get it and put it in the downloadable

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format You'll get aberrant spacing in some of

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the words. You'll get extra line occasionally.

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It's very distracting. It's not my editing. It

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has nothing to do with me. It's just the way

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it is. They've discussed this on QRZ thread,

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and people explain this, but I want to get it

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out there that it's a... It's not a romance novel

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that you set on the beach and read while you

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rest and this is one you need to Spend a little

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time with and that's that's terrible if I could

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do something about that formatting I Would but

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if you read it and you like what you're getting

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Order the paperback. I know it's more expensive,

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but it is formatted perfectly So there is there's

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a criticism about that that that's justified

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There's some other criticism. Some people don't

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really care for the storyline. One guy said that

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it wasn't ham radio enough, that he liked to

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read things like articles in CQ magazine. So

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Rich Moserson may should go out and pull 20 articles

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and do like a Sports Illustrated edition and

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call it the best of CQ or something. He was right,

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you know, I Mean saying what he said, it is not

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a technical ham radio manual But some of the

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but if you want to know about the book you say,

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okay this guy's touting his book Go on qr's they

00:18:23.490 --> 00:18:26.849
they've got an article on a thread There's about

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40 comments on it And I think that Neil that

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would give you a good idea if you hadn't had

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a chance to read the book or thinking about reading

00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:37.400
it or spending any money. They would give you

00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:41.259
a good idea about how it is and what people like

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and how they perceive it. And I live and die

00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:46.480
about what they say, because they're people that

00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:49.160
are hamps and they put their call signs out there.

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They're identifiable online. They're not trolls

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causing problems. But I'm real happy with everything

00:18:56.119 --> 00:18:59.900
right now. But as you know, if you're doing anything

00:18:59.900 --> 00:19:02.380
creative in ham radio, you better have thick

00:19:02.380 --> 00:19:05.470
skin. because only mommy and daddy don't patch

00:19:05.470 --> 00:19:08.410
you on the head and on the back. You don't get

00:19:08.410 --> 00:19:11.529
some criticism if you, if you do anything, but,

00:19:11.809 --> 00:19:15.009
but sit at home and hunker down. Now you can

00:19:15.009 --> 00:19:19.869
talk. Cause I thought, well, I was just thinking,

00:19:19.869 --> 00:19:23.890
you know, if they want a ham radio story, um,

00:19:23.890 --> 00:19:27.390
you know, that's about ham radio, uh, and fiction,

00:19:27.410 --> 00:19:30.509
then it's time to pull out the old, uh, CQ ghost

00:19:30.509 --> 00:19:34.750
ship and, and, uh, Death Valley QTH and, and,

00:19:34.750 --> 00:19:46.549
and, and killed by QRM, but there's a, there's

00:19:46.549 --> 00:19:50.690
a, there's this place for, you know, for this

00:19:50.690 --> 00:19:56.089
and working ham radio into normal. Mainstream.

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Well, I shouldn't say normal because it's sci

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-fi and I'm a sci -fi fan, but, but working it

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into the mainstream so that it doesn't seem like

00:20:06.029 --> 00:20:10.509
it's just some bunch of weirdos out there that

00:20:10.509 --> 00:20:14.130
get on on AM with their big tube radios. You

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know, it's, it's. It's not that way. And so it's

00:20:18.910 --> 00:20:21.470
good to get some of that in the mainstream. Again,

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not everybody is going to get into ham radio,

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but if they have an awareness of it, that can

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be very helpful. That was my whole by including

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ham radio and shortwave into the storyline. Shortwave,

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for example, is not a big deal in most of the

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United States. They're either going to go with

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satellite radio or terrestrial radio. But in

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the rest of the world, shortwave is a big deal.

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The Texan radio company out of China builds 30

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,000 shortwave sets a day for different people

00:21:04.650 --> 00:21:07.859
that market brands, different brands. So there's

00:21:07.859 --> 00:21:10.019
a lot of people out there listening to Short

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Way. Apparently there's a lot of people reading

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the SWLing magazine or newsletter that comes

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out of North Carolina because they mentioned

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the thing and I think about half of the ham radio

00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:31.039
clubs in the country tagged their article and

00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:34.690
put it on their web pages. Short way, even though

00:21:34.690 --> 00:21:37.569
we as hams may not recognize it as being real

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important, it's really important in the rest

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of the world. So just because, you know, we don't

00:21:44.109 --> 00:21:46.490
use it just like the public doesn't all have

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radio license, you can still appreciate the value

00:21:49.769 --> 00:21:54.089
and the importance of the hobby and the technology.

00:21:55.450 --> 00:21:58.869
Absolutely. Well, I'll tell you what Dennis we're

00:21:58.869 --> 00:22:01.130
gonna take a break here and then we're gonna

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come back and We'll see if we have some phone

00:22:04.250 --> 00:22:06.930
calls and some tweets. So if you have a question

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Give us a call at eight one two six five zero

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nine five five six or you can tweet us at ham

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after this word from tower electronics right

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00:25:12.750 --> 00:25:15.150
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here do have a tweet and we can talk a little

00:25:17.609 --> 00:25:20.930
bit, uh, about some of the sci -fi stuff here,

00:25:21.069 --> 00:25:25.549
but, uh, got a note here from bill WZ one L from,

00:25:25.549 --> 00:25:29.170
uh, Amesbury mass and says, uh, not nice to see

00:25:29.170 --> 00:25:31.849
you at Hamvention and it's nice to see stories,

00:25:32.170 --> 00:25:34.349
including amateur radio and we need more. So

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thank you, Dr. Barrett for your recent. contribution.

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So that's from Bill WZ 1L. That's excellent.

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And I appreciate that. Well, let's talk a little

00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:53.640
bit about science fiction and reality. And we

00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:56.220
kind of, you know, gave a little bit of an idea

00:25:56.220 --> 00:25:58.779
of, you know, there's an alien invasion here

00:25:58.779 --> 00:26:04.079
and radio is used to to do some of the communications.

00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:07.000
But one of the things that I've been kind of

00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:10.420
interested in, I'm a bit of a sci -fi guy. I

00:26:10.420 --> 00:26:14.880
like my Star Trek and my Star Wars. I like both

00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:18.200
of them. I'm probably a little closer on Star

00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:21.420
Trek than Star Wars. But, you know, on Independence

00:26:21.420 --> 00:26:26.400
Day and, you know, some of these things. I've

00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:29.619
also got this book being that the scientist that

00:26:29.619 --> 00:26:34.519
I am the physics of Star Trek and so it kind

00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:38.380
of talks about okay, what could really happen

00:26:38.380 --> 00:26:43.240
and and What's just there's no way it is it just

00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:46.519
doesn't work in the laws of physics and and so

00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:50.579
it's not going to happen but You know, in society,

00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:53.500
I see a lot of, you know, devices, you know,

00:26:53.700 --> 00:26:55.880
communicators, you know, well, now we have cell

00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:59.220
phones and so it kind of leads us into reality.

00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:03.740
So with your story, do you see anything, you

00:27:03.740 --> 00:27:06.700
know, maybe that could actually happen out of

00:27:06.700 --> 00:27:12.259
this someday? Well, let me make one comment and

00:27:12.259 --> 00:27:16.460
say that you and I like the same kind of science

00:27:16.460 --> 00:27:21.869
fiction, but Really, we're not sure science fiction

00:27:21.869 --> 00:27:26.450
aficionados. Real people who follow the genre

00:27:26.450 --> 00:27:31.049
worry more about the real science and possibilities

00:27:31.049 --> 00:27:35.089
with real science and less about the storyline.

00:27:35.450 --> 00:27:38.170
If you were like the big three's probably Robert

00:27:38.170 --> 00:27:44.349
Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, Arthur C. Clarke, and

00:27:44.349 --> 00:27:48.160
then in our... time lately, Orson Scott card.

00:27:49.779 --> 00:27:53.720
But you know, Star Trek is, Roddenberry pitched

00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:57.700
it as wagon train to the stars. If you look at

00:27:57.700 --> 00:28:01.599
Star Wars, it's more fantasy than science fiction

00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:05.339
because it starts out a long time ago in a galaxy

00:28:05.339 --> 00:28:08.960
far, far away. And none of the aliens or anything

00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:14.140
like that are our reality at least as far as

00:28:14.140 --> 00:28:17.039
we know and you know Stargate which is connecting

00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.960
to wormholes and traveling around County more

00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:24.359
like Pat the old Western Paladin or have done

00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:29.279
with travel so we're in an arena To where we're

00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:33.700
more try to be more entertaining than just science

00:28:33.700 --> 00:28:39.440
But in in my story they do develop some new technology

00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:42.829
that has to do with scrambling Radio frequencies

00:28:42.829 --> 00:28:47.049
and bringing down screens and there's some discussion

00:28:47.049 --> 00:28:51.349
about the way they build a dome over The state

00:28:51.349 --> 00:28:55.089
of Florida that's impenetrable But it's actually

00:28:55.089 --> 00:28:58.829
not it's just you can't see through it. It's

00:28:58.829 --> 00:29:01.710
in other words They fix it reflecting light for

00:29:01.710 --> 00:29:07.269
it. It kindly I Guess it mask the state but the

00:29:07.269 --> 00:29:09.829
real thing about this one is if you read the

00:29:09.829 --> 00:29:14.490
book The book's based on Revelation 9, which

00:29:14.490 --> 00:29:19.509
predicts a locust invasion that this book is

00:29:19.509 --> 00:29:25.710
based on. The prologue discusses whether that

00:29:25.710 --> 00:29:29.769
is a symbolic passage and why it would be, but

00:29:29.769 --> 00:29:32.990
then there's people who believed it was literal,

00:29:33.430 --> 00:29:37.549
and the Colonel, the main character, he always

00:29:37.549 --> 00:29:39.890
thought it was symbolic till they showed up.

00:29:42.420 --> 00:29:46.220
Could it happen? Could the locust actually show

00:29:46.220 --> 00:29:49.900
up and cause trouble? It very well could. It

00:29:49.900 --> 00:29:52.960
did in the book, but there's a line of reasoning

00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:56.779
that it's symbolic and it's not going to happen.

00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:01.160
So I'll leave that to the Bible folks and the

00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:03.299
sci -fi folks to figure out if they're coming

00:30:03.299 --> 00:30:09.799
or not. They're very creative in the ways that

00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:12.220
they do things in the book. A lot of low tech

00:30:12.220 --> 00:30:15.180
things that will shock you. A lot of twists and

00:30:15.180 --> 00:30:18.920
turns. There's not a lot of subplots because,

00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:22.180
you know, on television, you're pretty well straightforward,

00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:27.599
linear in the presentation. But could it happen?

00:30:29.019 --> 00:30:32.680
Possibly. Could the technology that's being developed

00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:36.140
in the book actually be technology that you could

00:30:36.140 --> 00:30:40.200
mask a whole state? Well, more relevant, could

00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:44.000
you mask a vehicle, make it virtually invisible

00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:51.019
to the eye or to a camera? Yes, I'm sure that

00:30:51.019 --> 00:30:55.240
they're doing that at Wright -Patterson and at

00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:58.500
Area 51, and they're probably 30 years ahead

00:30:58.500 --> 00:31:03.049
of what you and I think is cool right now. I

00:31:03.049 --> 00:31:07.289
think this one is more about a storyline than

00:31:07.289 --> 00:31:11.269
it is sometime in the future going to spin off

00:31:11.269 --> 00:31:15.509
a Star Trek pad that turns into 50 years later

00:31:15.509 --> 00:31:19.950
an iPad. But that's the reason I read sci -fi.

00:31:19.970 --> 00:31:22.589
That's the reason I watch sci -fi. I want to

00:31:22.589 --> 00:31:25.190
see what these guys come up with creatively.

00:31:26.180 --> 00:31:28.700
Sounds like we may have to get Dr. Chip Cohen

00:31:28.700 --> 00:31:32.400
W1YW in here on this cloaking thing since he

00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:37.119
invented the RF cloaks. He can hide all kinds

00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:43.220
of stuff. W1YW, I'm going to tell a story on

00:31:43.220 --> 00:31:47.299
him. He actually downloaded the book, read the

00:31:47.299 --> 00:31:50.500
book, and left very complimentary remarks about

00:31:50.500 --> 00:31:54.819
the book on the QRZ thread. And I was quite...

00:31:56.019 --> 00:31:59.940
humbled by, by that. So, uh, you know, I didn't

00:31:59.940 --> 00:32:03.000
go out and solicit to him. I don't know him personally,

00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:06.279
but he did that and it just gives you a good

00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:09.700
feeling. I mean, you, you, you want to hear stuff

00:32:09.700 --> 00:32:15.559
like that. Well, that's great. You kept letting

00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:19.140
me talk and you wouldn't stop. That's what, that's

00:32:19.140 --> 00:32:20.900
what you're supposed to do on this show. It's

00:32:20.900 --> 00:32:27.779
called ham talk live. So that's what we do. Well,

00:32:28.980 --> 00:32:31.220
if you want to talk, give us a call. It's eight

00:32:31.220 --> 00:32:35.000
one two six five zero nine five, five, six. And

00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:38.869
we'll uh, Keep the doctor around here for just

00:32:38.869 --> 00:32:41.029
a little bit longer. So if you want and give

00:32:41.029 --> 00:32:46.190
us a call 812 -650 -9556 or you can tweet us

00:32:46.190 --> 00:32:51.509
at ham talk live. Now, Dennis, you, you've got

00:32:51.509 --> 00:32:55.950
some, you know, some insights on, on people who

00:32:55.950 --> 00:32:58.869
are getting into the, the sci -fi thing. And

00:32:58.869 --> 00:33:01.960
so Yeah. Let's talk a little bit about, you know,

00:33:02.099 --> 00:33:05.180
maybe who your, your target audience is for this

00:33:05.180 --> 00:33:09.019
kind of a book. Well, let me, you know, I always

00:33:09.019 --> 00:33:12.160
hate people that, you know, general patent said

00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:14.920
there's lies, worst lies. I won't say exactly

00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:17.660
what he said and statistics. And I've always

00:33:17.660 --> 00:33:20.099
been afraid of people that would get up and quote

00:33:20.099 --> 00:33:23.099
statistics if they didn't reveal their sources.

00:33:23.420 --> 00:33:28.099
So my source in this, on this point is, uh, The

00:33:28.099 --> 00:33:31.000
short, the science fiction writers of America

00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:34.579
who have, who was articles were been written

00:33:34.579 --> 00:33:39.299
by Orson Scott Card and the Boker reviews. They're,

00:33:39.299 --> 00:33:43.099
they're the one that helps authors and publishers

00:33:43.099 --> 00:33:45.480
and you know, they'll help you do what you need

00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:49.259
to do. But both of those groups say that the

00:33:49.259 --> 00:33:54.400
largest number of readers in sci -fi is 18 to

00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:59.849
50 years old. But as after the age approaches

00:33:59.849 --> 00:34:05.670
55 It starts declining the number from from 50

00:34:05.670 --> 00:34:11.489
from 55 To 60 and 65 it goes down about 10 %

00:34:11.489 --> 00:34:14.530
So there's not a lot of us old spark gappers

00:34:14.530 --> 00:34:17.630
out there sitting around reading sci -fi Maybe

00:34:17.630 --> 00:34:20.530
we're watching it on TV, but but we're not buying

00:34:20.530 --> 00:34:25.159
the books As a genre, sci -fi is, if you go to

00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:28.579
a bookstore, Books of Me and Barnes and Noble,

00:34:28.659 --> 00:34:31.159
go look at the sci -fi section. You say, man,

00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:33.920
they got a lot of sci -fi books there. Well,

00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:36.940
look at the titles and you find out it's more

00:34:36.940 --> 00:34:41.360
fantasy than it is sci -fi. Maybe 80 % fantasy

00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:45.960
type books and 20 % sci -fi because now they

00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:49.320
call it, for the most part, sci -fi and fantasy.

00:34:49.690 --> 00:34:54.449
And another statistic, I got this one from Amazon

00:34:54.449 --> 00:35:00.269
itself, confirmed by Volcker, 48 % of all science

00:35:00.269 --> 00:35:05.570
fiction books, whether paperback or e -book or

00:35:05.570 --> 00:35:14.739
audiobook, are bought on Amazon. 48%. Sci -fi

00:35:14.739 --> 00:35:20.300
writers say that their income has gone down considerably

00:35:20.300 --> 00:35:25.880
because there's less people buying science fiction

00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:28.900
books. And you can get into the philosophy of

00:35:28.900 --> 00:35:32.699
why that is, but I think, and here's where you

00:35:32.699 --> 00:35:37.280
get a little opinion, I think that all the sci

00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:40.579
-fi technology that's easily understandable has

00:35:40.579 --> 00:35:44.659
been mined or used. And we get into things now

00:35:44.659 --> 00:35:50.219
in physics and you're a science guy. You know,

00:35:50.340 --> 00:35:53.940
you talk about super colliders and the god particle

00:35:53.940 --> 00:35:59.800
and all these things. It's hard to write a book

00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:04.840
on the emerging science that people can easily

00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:09.280
understand and read and it be entertaining. And

00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:12.159
I think, you know, That's of course you could

00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:14.420
say, well, you guys are not as good as the big

00:36:14.420 --> 00:36:17.659
three. And I'm the first one to admit that. Um,

00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:20.699
but, uh, there's a lot of reasons, but, but science

00:36:20.699 --> 00:36:24.659
fiction is still good genre. It's just not the

00:36:24.659 --> 00:36:30.500
top two or three genres. Okay. Very good. Well,

00:36:30.500 --> 00:36:32.440
if you have a question, give us a call eight,

00:36:32.460 --> 00:36:34.880
one, two, six, five, zero, nine, five, five,

00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.239
six. We're going to finish things up here in

00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:40.639
just a couple of minutes. So. Give us a call.

00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:44.920
Dennis, I want to at least mention here before

00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:49.420
we close things down tonight, some of your ham

00:36:49.420 --> 00:36:55.340
radio past with antennas and selling antennas

00:36:55.340 --> 00:36:57.480
and building antennas and you've had a couple

00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.360
of companies. Tell us a little bit about Transworld

00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:07.159
and Horizon. Well, in around, you know, 2003,

00:37:08.380 --> 00:37:13.019
2002, I came up with the idea we needed a small,

00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:17.539
stealthy, almost invisible antenna that worked

00:37:17.539 --> 00:37:21.679
off the ground that was easy to, you know, service,

00:37:21.940 --> 00:37:25.900
set up, take down, and that the HOA police wouldn't

00:37:25.900 --> 00:37:30.039
come and haul you off with. So I had an engineer

00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:33.320
by the name of Richard Rhodes. To let you know

00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:37.260
who Richard Rhodes is, if you saw the The next

00:37:37.260 --> 00:37:39.980
to the last Star Trek movie, they introduced

00:37:39.980 --> 00:37:44.539
a little robot called BB8. It was like a little

00:37:44.539 --> 00:37:47.579
orange ball for the head and an orange ball for

00:37:47.579 --> 00:37:52.960
the body. He invented that and took it in his

00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:56.880
company out of Colorado, took it to Walmart,

00:37:56.960 --> 00:37:59.280
and you could go for a few hundred dollars and

00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:02.239
have your own BB8. He did quite well. Of course,

00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:05.829
he does other real robotic products, too. But

00:38:05.829 --> 00:38:09.750
I told Richard what I wanted, and he said it

00:38:09.750 --> 00:38:11.650
wouldn't work. And I said, it's your job to make

00:38:11.650 --> 00:38:15.150
it work. I'm paying you. So we came up with an

00:38:15.150 --> 00:38:18.789
antenna in a modified H form. Looks like a giant

00:38:18.789 --> 00:38:23.809
cap to lie about six foot tall with about 30,

00:38:23.809 --> 00:38:27.750
36, about five foot arm at the top and five foot

00:38:27.750 --> 00:38:30.650
arm at the bottom. And they were foldable. And

00:38:30.650 --> 00:38:35.760
we put induction coils. and relays, 12 -volt

00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:39.739
relays in a box. So when you switch the relay

00:38:39.739 --> 00:38:41.920
with a control box, you can make the antenna

00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:45.639
electrically longer or shorter based on the band,

00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:49.960
and you can tune it by separating slightly the

00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.980
induction coils or push them closer together.

00:38:53.739 --> 00:38:58.699
And it was a hit. It would channel 1 ,500 watts

00:38:58.699 --> 00:39:03.590
without any problem. It had a 17 degree takeoff

00:39:03.590 --> 00:39:06.530
angle, which meant your signal would go as far

00:39:06.530 --> 00:39:09.090
as possible before it hit this curvature of the

00:39:09.090 --> 00:39:12.650
earth and shot skyward. So you'd get the maximum

00:39:12.650 --> 00:39:16.050
power on the first bounce. It was low noise.

00:39:16.130 --> 00:39:21.630
It did not require radials. We released it and

00:39:21.630 --> 00:39:26.650
it met with a lot of skepticism. The thing I

00:39:26.650 --> 00:39:28.630
heard was, well, it's a compromised antenna.

00:39:29.010 --> 00:40:00.469
It's a halfway vertical the fifth Most people

00:40:00.469 --> 00:40:02.730
talk on a frequency on 80 meters, don't move

00:40:02.730 --> 00:40:08.690
around a lot. We probably sold 8 ,000 antennas.

00:40:09.329 --> 00:40:12.489
Wildly successful. The reviews on E -Ham and

00:40:12.489 --> 00:40:16.269
when I would talk to people were great. I had

00:40:16.269 --> 00:40:18.929
some many other things going. I sold the company

00:40:18.929 --> 00:40:23.949
to my father -in -law, and he was too old to

00:40:23.949 --> 00:40:25.610
run it. He ran it a couple years, and he said,

00:40:25.630 --> 00:40:28.929
I want to give it back to you. And I said, no.

00:40:29.150 --> 00:40:32.630
Let's get somebody else. So DX engineering took

00:40:32.630 --> 00:40:35.789
it over and, uh, they've been doing well with

00:40:35.789 --> 00:40:38.489
it and, uh, they've been very pleased with what

00:40:38.489 --> 00:40:42.469
happens and it is a great antenna and I don't

00:40:42.469 --> 00:40:50.110
get a penny for that testimonial. All right.

00:40:50.130 --> 00:40:52.510
Well, we've got, we do have a couple of questions

00:40:52.510 --> 00:40:56.150
have come in here on Twitter. So let's, uh, Let's

00:40:56.150 --> 00:40:59.570
jump back over to the, to the, uh, sci -fi stuff

00:40:59.570 --> 00:41:03.989
here for a second. Brett W Y seven B G, uh, wants

00:41:03.989 --> 00:41:07.170
to know, do you think that the movie and TV industries

00:41:07.170 --> 00:41:10.349
have ruined the science fiction by commercializing

00:41:10.349 --> 00:41:14.309
it and, or watering it down intellectually? And

00:41:14.309 --> 00:41:18.289
we'd kind of touched on that a little bit. Well,

00:41:18.329 --> 00:41:20.769
let's, let's take a, I'm going to answer his

00:41:20.769 --> 00:41:23.320
question, but I have to get there. Let's take

00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:28.800
a look at an alien invasion storyline. Okay,

00:41:28.980 --> 00:41:33.719
why do aliens invade the earth? Well, number

00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:37.139
one, they want to steal our water. That doesn't

00:41:37.139 --> 00:41:39.500
make sense because if they've got the technology

00:41:39.500 --> 00:41:41.699
to come here and steal our water, they can grab

00:41:41.699 --> 00:41:44.679
a comet and melt it and get all the liquid water

00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:47.199
they want without the grief they'd have to put

00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:49.960
up with for coming here. So I don't like that

00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:53.429
storyline. The second thing, They come here to

00:41:53.429 --> 00:41:57.369
enslave us. Do you really think as much grief

00:41:57.369 --> 00:42:00.550
as a human race is, particularly ham radio operators,

00:42:01.110 --> 00:42:03.829
that aliens want anything to do with us? They

00:42:03.829 --> 00:42:06.329
probably roll up the windows on their spaceships

00:42:06.329 --> 00:42:09.469
when they drive by and tell their kids, be quiet,

00:42:09.769 --> 00:42:14.170
we're at Earth. So they're gonna have artificial

00:42:14.170 --> 00:42:18.389
intelligence, robotics, that don't fly. And the

00:42:18.389 --> 00:42:21.699
third thing is, They come down to harvest us

00:42:21.699 --> 00:42:25.320
and eat us, like in the series V, and I say,

00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:28.340
well, we probably taste like chicken. That might

00:42:28.340 --> 00:42:32.039
be the most viable one of all. But I think we've

00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:35.480
worn out the storylines, and we're not creative

00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:43.800
with the storylines. And it's more about making

00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.920
money, not that there's anything wrong with that.

00:42:46.989 --> 00:42:49.829
than it is really producing a creative story.

00:42:50.150 --> 00:42:53.170
But let me say this, Neil. I've got five different

00:42:53.170 --> 00:42:56.030
production companies looking at doing something

00:42:56.030 --> 00:43:01.090
with Equinox. They tell me to do this thing the

00:43:01.090 --> 00:43:06.230
right way, it will be somewhere around $1 .8

00:43:06.230 --> 00:43:11.250
million for a 45 -minute episode, which is an

00:43:11.250 --> 00:43:15.329
hour program. You know, they've got to get a

00:43:15.329 --> 00:43:18.010
return. They've got to make, you know, sell the

00:43:18.010 --> 00:43:21.289
action figures and the cups that Burger King

00:43:21.289 --> 00:43:25.969
and McDonald, it's a fact of life. So he's right.

00:43:27.429 --> 00:43:30.349
They've dumbed it down. The storylines are not

00:43:30.349 --> 00:43:33.949
creative. But what else are they going to do?

00:43:34.530 --> 00:43:39.440
But he's 100 % right. He is. All right. Well,

00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:43.820
thanks Brett for your question. And Carl KD9HQT

00:43:43.820 --> 00:43:49.599
says, his suggestion is that the book should

00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:53.400
be in CW ready. You think you can pull that off?

00:43:54.820 --> 00:44:01.480
Actually, I probably could. Amazon has got a

00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:06.389
company that ACX that turns books into... into

00:44:06.389 --> 00:44:11.010
audiobooks, and they're doing it right now. And

00:44:11.010 --> 00:44:14.090
I don't know how good it's gonna be. The guy

00:44:14.090 --> 00:44:18.050
that they sent to me is pretty good. But that's

00:44:18.050 --> 00:44:23.329
not a bad idea, is to do it that way. Or maybe

00:44:23.329 --> 00:44:27.849
even CW. But that's a novel approach. I think

00:44:27.849 --> 00:44:30.449
there are a lot of hams that would prefer it.

00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:35.900
to be in that format. I like that. Now that takes

00:44:35.900 --> 00:44:39.219
care of your formatting issues. Yeah. Would solve

00:44:39.219 --> 00:44:44.400
them a lot. Of course it may take you a few days

00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:48.980
to copy it, but that's right. We could put it

00:44:48.980 --> 00:44:52.119
up on the, we could put it up on a podcast or

00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:55.380
something and let it play. And, and that could

00:44:55.380 --> 00:44:58.670
get it in, in a, we call it spurts. I'm told

00:44:58.670 --> 00:45:03.010
that this book is seven and a half hours of audio

00:45:03.010 --> 00:45:05.570
book. That's what they tell me based on how many

00:45:05.570 --> 00:45:12.090
words it is. So, uh, maybe, maybe CW would, if

00:45:12.090 --> 00:45:14.670
you could copy fast enough or really, you could,

00:45:14.789 --> 00:45:18.030
you could maybe, uh, uh, be able to cut that

00:45:18.030 --> 00:45:24.750
way down from seven to high five. Well, Dennis,

00:45:24.750 --> 00:45:27.369
it's been, uh, Been a pleasure to have you here

00:45:27.369 --> 00:45:30.230
on the show and, uh, good luck with the book.

00:45:30.289 --> 00:45:33.130
I hope it, uh, continues to do well and, and

00:45:33.130 --> 00:45:36.130
your audio book that'll be coming up and, and

00:45:36.130 --> 00:45:38.170
thanks for, for coming on and telling us all

00:45:38.170 --> 00:45:41.889
about this book. I really appreciate you having

00:45:41.889 --> 00:45:45.130
me now. I appreciate the folks listening and

00:45:45.130 --> 00:45:48.889
the folks that, that, uh, wrote in and had commentary.

00:45:49.489 --> 00:45:52.949
I love hands. I love ham radio. I love being

00:45:52.949 --> 00:45:56.309
around. But they're just like other groups of

00:45:56.309 --> 00:45:58.090
people. There's some at times you could really

00:45:58.090 --> 00:46:04.349
just reach out and choke them. So I'm going to

00:46:04.349 --> 00:46:07.489
have thick skin. I'm going to, I'm going to stand

00:46:07.489 --> 00:46:10.710
there and take the slings and arrows and, uh,

00:46:10.730 --> 00:46:13.389
uh, who knows? That might be a sequel to equinox.

00:46:13.550 --> 00:46:16.769
One of these days. Well, there you go. Well,

00:46:16.769 --> 00:46:19.210
congratulations on the book. And, uh, again,

00:46:19.230 --> 00:46:24.820
uh, wish your continued success with it. Thank

00:46:24.820 --> 00:46:29.480
you, Neil. All right. Well, that is a wrap for

00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:33.179
this week's HamTalk Live. Thanks to Dr. Dennis

00:46:33.179 --> 00:46:36.619
Barrett in for ECW and everybody out there in

00:46:36.619 --> 00:46:38.980
cyberspace for listening and typing in tonight.

00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:42.400
And we'll invite you back next week, Thursday

00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:46.059
night, 9 p .m. Eastern Time. And for a list of

00:46:46.059 --> 00:46:49.980
all of our upcoming guests, just go over to HamTalkLive

00:46:49.980 --> 00:46:52.579
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00:46:52.579 --> 00:46:55.920
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00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:58.199
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00:46:58.380 --> 00:47:02.079
So for now, this is Neil Rapp, WB9VPG, saying

00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:08.690
7 -3, 7 -5. And may the good DX be yours. Thanks

00:47:08.690 --> 00:47:26.329
for watching!
