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LIVE. It's episode number 180. The Long Island
CW Club recorded live on Thursday, September
5th, 2019. I'm your host, Neil Rapp, WB9VPG.
Thanks for tuning in to this episode of AMTALK
LIVE. Tonight we're joined by Howard Bernstein,
WB2UZE, and Rich Collins. K2 UPS, and we'll take
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call in and talk with the experts. Well tonight
we have Howard Bernstein WB2UZE. He's been a
ham since 1965 at the age of 13 and Rich Collins
K2UPS has been licensed for 37 years and is an
over -the -road driver for, you guessed it, UPS.
They both hold extra class licenses and together
they founded the Long Island CW club. So we're
going to talk about that tonight. But the cool
thing about the Long Island CW club is you don't
have to be in Long Island to join it. So we'll
talk about that in just a little bit. So Howard
and Rich, welcome to the show. Well, thank you
very much for having us tonight. Our pleasure,
Neil. Thank you, Neil. Well, we want to talk
a little bit about the club and and some of the
training that you offer so first Let's talk about
the club itself a little bit and what your goal
was by forming the club Okay, well it happened
back in 2017 Neil right after field day Rich
and I realized that there was a big demand for
CW operators in field day, especially because
you get double the points for CW than you do
sideband and There weren't enough operators around
so I Came to rich in that particular summer of
2017 I said How about we start what we start
a CW club on Long Island so that we can kind
of home grow some operators that can be of value
to other clubs and Rich immediately said yes
and by the time we got done building the website
and getting all our ducks in the rose we started
up the club in January of 2018 thinking that
we would just be local but we decided instead
of being confined to a brick and mortar situation
we would use internet video conference to expand
our reach and make it easier for people to take
our classes rather than have to go to a particular
venue. And with the video conference platform,
we were able to reach out all over the country.
And within a very short period of time, in a
year and a half, we have built the club up to
205 members in 33 states and five countries.
And we give Fourteen classes per week all by
video conference, Neil. All right. Well, you
know, let's, let's talk a little bit about that.
Now you're, you're unique in this, you know,
you, you have both the local and the online.
options. So let's talk a little bit about this
unique hybrid of ways that you connect with members
and we can talk a little bit about some of the
local stuff that you do and then how you bring
everybody in that's not in Long Island. Well
yes, it was a kind of a contemporary thing to
do. You know we've heard unfortunately with a
lot of ham radio clubs that sometimes They're
struggling to keep their members coming to meetings.
But with the video conference aspect, people
don't have to leave the comfort of their home.
And they can come to our meetings and our presentations
whenever they want. So besides giving CW classes,
we have lectures that we do online with video
conference. We give presentations on everything
from vintage gear. like boat anchors, to soda
and poda operations, to satellites, to mag loop
antennas, whatever is of interest to the people.
But at the same time, we have your traditional
brick and mortar activities. For example, we
did with another major club on Long Island as
a joint venture, we had a build -a -thon before
the summer. where we got together about 30 guys
in an actual facility, and we built a keyer kit,
a QRP keyer kit. At the same time, we had 12
of our members from out of state watching this
on video conference with an instructor right
there, and they were building at the same time
we were. So I don't think, Neil, anybody else
is doing this type of stuff in the country, so
it kind of all fell together like that, and it's
working out. very well. So we have hybrid events
and then we have our traditional events. The
club is very into a QRP. We happen to be the
Long Island chapter of the NAQCC QRP organization.
Every month we go out on the field and do QRP
down at the beach because we get off very well
antenna -wise down there. We go to museums together.
We go to auctions. We have lunches in a beautiful
restaurant about every three or four months we've
been up to W1AW together so we do all the traditional
radio clubs but we have that aspect of being
a hybrid also. I like the idea and a lot of presentations
are brought in on Skype at club meetings but
you know like you said there's not a whole lot
of people doing activities over Skype and over
these video conferencing things or zoom or whichever
one you use and You know, I think that's that
you're on to something. I think you've got something
that can really expand so That sounds like a
great idea and I welcome it for sure. So Tell
us a little bit about teaching CW over video
conferencing. How can people learn CW from your
instructors and how can people go about signing
up for that? Well, signing up, we have the website
that's longislandcwclub .org is our website.
And as a membership tab, you can click on that.
and you'll be send us a message and you'd be
interested in joining up with send you some more
information uh... but what once you're uh...
what you've joined up we have classes at all
different levels from beginners people who have
uh... don't know any letters any words or anything
in in morse code ever even tried it before but
wanna learn it to people who maybe know some
of it but never really progressed too far or
uh... they're they're only able to get on the
air maybe five or six words a minute uh... and
a very very self -conscious about that other
maybe somebody knows it and they can help hold
their own it ten to fifteen words a minute but
they they're struggling to get up to twenty or
twenty four words a minute and be able to just
head copy and and have uh... conversational c
w without worrying about writing everything down
uh... and with the uh... with the zoom video
conferencing that we use we're able to see the
students not just hear them but we can see them
how they're reacting to it uh... And I think
they actually help each other through the camaraderie
of the other students in the class is helpful.
I mean, sure. Can you look at some of these apps
on cell phones or programs and teach yourself
CW? Sure, some people can do that. But a lot
of people don't have the motivation on their
own to stay with it and stick with it. And if
they're in a group situation and they see other
people uh... trying to learn the same thing that
they've tried to learning i think they really
uh... can help each other through that uh...
and it's been really beneficial i mean i i i
what howard had said when we started the club
uh... i thought it would just be a local thing
maybe a few dozen guys on long island here would
be talking about cw maybe try to teach some other
local people uh... never really originally planned
on this online teaching but it's just it's really
taken off far faster than we ever thought it
would Uh, and it's, it's a lot of fun to see
people when it starts clicking for them and CW,
everybody seems to pick it up at a different
rate and that's fine. But when they finally get
it and you can see them smiling and nodding,
cause they're understanding what's being sent.
That's what makes it all worthwhile. Well, that
sounds like a great plan. And I know. uh... you
guys are also uh... or at least howard i know
uh... we talked about this is ncw ops which also
has an academy and they do some some things over
over Skype. But you all have your own version
of this and some of the activities that go with
it. And, you know, so this is another option,
another way to to get in and learn CW if you're
trying to do that. And I'll share the little
story here since since we have some time. When
I got into ham radio at five years old, my dad
and I did it together. But mom would have absolutely
nothing to do with it. She, she didn't have any
interest at all. But when we started learning
Morris code and we were talking to people and
she had no idea what we were saying, that was
the trigger. Excuse me. Uh, that was the trigger.
And so the next year after we went to a code
class, the next year, she went to the code class,
not to become a ham, but so she could find out
what we were saying and, uh, and it got her hooked.
And then she ended up. Getting a license and
she ended up getting on and using it and talking
to people on code and on on FM as well and So,
you know it kind of got her interested into ham
radio because she just had to know what we were
saying that that CW Ops is an excellent organization.
I'm a lifetime member with that, and when their
sprint gets on the air on Wednesday night, it
lights up the band with hundreds of operators.
It's something to behold. They're doing a fantastic
job. What our angle is, as far as what our guideline
is, is that the most important class that we
have, we have all different types of beginners
classes, intermediates classes, we have sending
classes. We have, I think, something very unique
in a QSO class. Now, how does that work? We're
all on Zoom, you know, internet video conference
at the same time like we always are. But at the
same time, people have their rigs on. We all
get on the same frequency and we try and hear
the same station, no matter what state we're
in. Sometimes even East Coast and West Coast
can hear the same station. And then all the students
take turns working that station. I do the decoding
to take the pressure off them to handle the entire
QSO because it's a little bit nerve -racking
for beginners, and therefore they don't have
to worry about the speed that's being sent or
the QSB or the conditions, and they concentrate
on their sending and what we call the QSO protocol.
You know, how to do the QSO, RST comes first,
then QTH, then name, how do you sign off. Do
you say the weather? Do you talk about your rig?
All of that. They concentrate on that. And I
help them with the decoding. So all our classes
are dedicated to that. And we try and get people
on the air within three months of starting with
us no matter what. As long as they can send 599
and their call sign, we get them on the air in
the QSO class. And that's the binder that keeps
them interested and motivated to keep learning.
Yeah, I like that because you get some practical
experience and, um, you know, there there's,
there's people out there like, uh, like Gordo
who, you know, does, uh, vacuum cleaning while
the code's going on because that's a reality.
And so I like that you're, you're getting on
and getting some of the QSB and some of the,
you know, some of the interruptions and the noise
and everything to adjust to that, because that's
something that you have to work through. Well,
you know, when they first get on, they're very
nervous, and when they make their first QSOs,
it's very rewarding, and we all give them a round
of applause. And then most of them need to take
a cold shower after that, because they're all
broken up in a hot sweat. But every time they
come back to the QSO class, it gets better and
better and better. Uh, so that's what we do.
Um, rich is very involved in the beginners classes.
He runs four beginners classes, uh, uh, and gives
them, um, a really good foundation. We have quite
a few teachers. Uh, uh, we have classes every
single night and we have different teachers.
All right. Very good. Well, we're going to take
a break here and then, uh, we're going to come
back with Howard and rich and we'll take your
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one that, uh, is in on Twitter and, uh, rich,
I think you're going to take this. Uh, this is
from Jacob KG seven EQ in, and, uh, Jacob wants
to know what advice do you have for someone learning
CW on their own? due to time constraints. I don't
have time to sign up for a class. I would love
to, but with young children, it's not an option
right now. So any suggestions for Jacob? Sure.
And thank you for listening to us, Jacob. We
appreciate that. Basically, I could tell you,
I know what it's like to have kids at home or
distractions at home that take away from your
time. I've had three kids, although they're grown
up now. One is still home, and I got three dogs
that act like kids sometimes. So it's tough to
get a quiet moment to get in there and work on
it. But the biggest thing is just daily practice.
That would be the most important thing I could
suggest to you. You're going to get out of this,
whether you're doing it on your own or through
a group like ours with the Long Island CW club.
Daily practice is key. it's uh... it and you
have to really want to do this we have some people
that start out and and you can tell maybe they
just they don't have the real drive in it but
most of the people really do and uh... they will
be successful uh... it's it's not as easy i think
doing it on your own i think it helps to be in
a class atmosphere And that's one thing with
our group, because we have classes at all different
days of the week and at different times, you're
not locked into a specific time slot. And we
don't have a very rigid schedule or format as
far as the classes, where they're going to say
the beginners class is going to run for two months,
and then that's it. And if you didn't finish
by then, well, you have to take it over again.
That's not the case. We work with people even
individually. If it takes you a little bit longer,
we'll work with you as long as it takes to get
you on the air. comfortable with the code. But
you know, it's like I said, even doing it on
your own, or with us, it's I think daily practice
is going to be the key. And listening to live
code on the air as much as you can, even when
you're learning, you're not going to understand
a lot of what's going on. But listen to it as
much as you can under real on the air conditions.
That would be my suggestion. Alright, well if
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check over there right now and don't see anything
on the comments okay so so we're caught up here
but give us a call eight one two six three eight
four two six one and We'll try to get your questions
answered. So we mentioned CW Ops Academy and
you mentioned a little bit of the differences
here. Let's kind of compare and contrast because
CW Ops Academy obviously does a great job and
you guys obviously do a great job. So let's try
to find what might be the better fit for certain
people. Well, the difference I would say between
the two organizations is CW ops prepares and
teaches their students for their sprint The sprint
is a contest that they run three times a day
every Wednesday and it's just like any Contest
rapid fire and high -speed Contacts and in their
case It's the member number of the organization
that's always assigned to one individual and
the name. And you exchange that and you move
on to the next one. We're not exactly teaching
for the sprint or for the contest. We're teaching
for the QSO. Most of the people in our club really
want to rank you and know how to do it. And they
also want to head copy, not so much for a 35
or a 40 word a minute contest exchange, but they
want to put the pencil down and be able to sit
back in their chair and head copy a rag chew.
So that's where we dedicate our focus to. And
I would say that's the difference. Both have
very valuable spots in the world of CW. Anybody
these days who's promoting CW or ham radio to
keep it going. Um, deserves, um, some credit,
but to compare and contrast, that's where I would
say would be Neil. Very good. Eight, one, two,
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and we'll get your questions in on here. Um,
so let's say, you know, there's, there's somebody
out there like, like Jacob that, uh, Is trying
to do this on their own. What tips do you have?
If, if that's just the only option and they're
not able to get into the CW ops Academy or they're
not able to make any of the, you know, uh, scheduled
classes that you have, even though they're, they're,
you know, widely varied on dates and times. If
somebody is trying to do this on their own, what
do you suggest they do? Well, uh, Just just to
say I mean for for Jacob Jacob if you take a
look at our website Long Island CW club org and
go over to the calendar page Right now we're
on summer break. We only have three classes a
week But if you page back from let's say June
backwards, you'll see what our time schedules
are It's all in Eastern Standard Time. I don't
know where you are You sounded like you had I
think a w7 call. So he's probably out West. We
have classes going up till seven or eight o 'clock
your time and sometimes every day. You'd be hard
-pressed not to be able to find one of our classes.
Anyhow, as I always offer to any student, since
I'm retired, I'm available anytime somebody wants
to have a private lesson and there's no extra
cost or anything for this. We have some people
that have some very sophisticated careers. We
have one guy who's a a orchestra leader and he
travels all over the world and he's taken lessons
from me he's called in from China just to have
a private lesson we have time differences between
the USA and Australia where we have some members
and also Europe and I've given private members
private lessons to those members too so if there's
a will we are flexible it doesn't matter if you
miss a class So what I'm trying to say is it's
very important to be tied in to a community like
Rich was saying. Because when you're doing something
abstract like CW, it's like learning a language.
If you don't have anybody to commiserate with
and share your experiences and your trials and
tribulations and encourage you along, you're
probably not going to make it through. It's very
hard to learn CW and you got to be there in a
community. Can you do it? Sure. But we really
encourage people to get involved in some sort
of group. Having said all of that, Neil, if it
was all impossible, practice 15 or 20 minutes
a day, do it every day, and listen, like Rich
said, on the air, even if it's W1AW, so you get
to understand what band conditions are and what
they do to CW, because that's eventually what
you're going to copy. You're not going to be
copying a computer. All right, well there you
have it and and there's all kinds of you know
software out there too But you know, obviously
the the class thing is the way to go when you've
got somebody there to to work with you But there's
software out there too. That'll help So those
are some options. So if there's some other people
out there like Jacob that are Under some severe
time constraints, you know, those are some options.
All right. Well, let's take one more standby
here for some calls at 812 -638 -4261 or give
us a tweet at HamTalk Live and we'll try to get
your... questions answered here tonight. We're
talking with Howard Bernstein WB2UZE and Rich
Collins K2UPS, the founders of the Long Island
CW club. So we'll take some more questions here
as those come in and then we'll finish things
up tonight. So 812 -638 -4261. Now I gotta talk
to Rich a little bit about this because You've
gone through several call signs, but this UPS
thing, we were figuring out that you drive over
the road for UPS. So we were doing some quick
math there. I think Howard was calculating before
the show how many miles you've logged and how
many times you've been around the globe. So why
don't we talk a little bit about that? Well,
K2UPS is a vanity call. I got that. I think shortly
before I got my extra class license, probably
about 12 years ago now, I guess. And I was trying
to think, well, if I get a vanity call, what
should I get? Should I get my initials? And for
some reason, UPS popped in my head. I said, well,
that might be fun. And I checked, and it was
available. So I put in for it, and I got it.
And I got to tell you, I've had a lot of fun
using that call on the air. I get a lot of comments.
People ask, do you actually work for them? Yes.
Did they give you permission for it? No, they
didn't have to. But I've been with UPS now, I'm
in my 32nd year. Started out in the little brown
package cars, as they call them, even though
they're small trucks, they call them package
cars. And after about 10 years, moved into the
tractor trailer or the feeder department. And
I was working mostly nights, but home every day.
And then I got a chance to try the long haul.
And I did that and fell in love with that and
been doing that probably for, I guess, the last
15 to 18 years. Um, and about the last six years
now, I've been going to Chicago twice during
the week and to Louisville, Kentucky on Sunday,
which is about 5 ,000 miles a week. Um, but it's,
it's, uh, it's a lot of fun. Okay. So Howard,
what was the math? Well, Rich said he drove over
a million miles a year in his lifetime so far
so we figured that the earth is 25 ,000 miles
in circumference that he's done 40 trips around
the earth So can you imagine like you think about
it like we worry about let's say the traffic
on the Long Island Expressway Can you imagine
if you drove to Australia 40 times in your life
back and forth? It's a lot That is it is a lot.
So now I got to ask the other question with that
is How do you do CW while you're doing that?
Well, I don't because this what I do is a team
operation I go out with another driver who is
sleeping while I'm driving and after ten hours
I wake him up and he drives and I go in the back
and I go to sleep So because of that, I don't
do any ham radio Plus being a commercial vehicle,
it's distracted driving. I just don't want to
get into that. Although I have brought my KX3
QRP rig with me to Chicago when we have about
a six to eight hour layover waiting for a train
to come in with our return loads and tossed a
wire up on top of the building and sat in a passenger
seat with headphones on and operated CW a few
times. But I don't do that when I'm driving.
I can have Zoom on and listen. to the classes
while I'm driving. I listen to a lot of CW. I
have a SDR app in my phone so I can listen to
the HF bands but I do any operating from the
big truck. I do do it from my private Jeep. I
do a lot of CW mobile and it gets interesting
because I have a manual transmission and I use
a straight key. So that's not for the faint of
heart but it's a lot of fun. You know it's interesting
when Rich comes in on Zoom during one of the
classes when he's driving he's got this very
big steering wheel in front of him he's wearing
this brown uniform it's dark out at night and
he turns his phone around so we see the road
and all the street signs and uh it's it's just
amazing with this internet these days and and
with um a video conference platform like zoom
we could have guys in long island that are the
same strength and clarity as rich on the road
as a guy in australia were all equalized by the
internet And therefore, the classes are seamless
no matter where people are. It's really neat.
Actually, Neil, I called in from a cruise ship
two weeks ago to see how one of the classes were
doing. So am I going to have to ask Rich QLF?
No. I send pretty good. We are going to set up
a big key similar to what the straight key sentry
club has done at Dayton. They usually have a
large key they put on the ground and get people
to send with their left foot. I like any type
of, between the five different types of keying
apparatus between a straight key, a side swiper,
single paddle, dual paddle. With an iambic here
and a bug I have examples of all of them I have
probably close to 40 different keys right now
And I use all of them I rotate them in and out
at home and at any one point There's usually
at least five of them hooked up In you know in
series to the radio, so if I want to change keys,
I just move my hand I don't have to unplug and
plug something else in I like using them all
Well for those that don't know QLF is this this
imaginary Q signal that's are you sending with
your left foot because It sounds like you're
using your left foot to send so Anyway, I had
to throw that in there. Well, we do have one
more question. So we're going to end with this
question here from Ryan trilling or and I Ryan,
I'm sorry, I don't have your call in front of
me and I forgot it, but it says, I have been
interested in ham radio for over 50 years, but
listening to the CW records on a photograph didn't
work. Then I tried cassettes in my car while
commuting in the seventies. That didn't work.
Now that I have time, what next? Well, the method
that we use and it's used by a lot of the online
and apps is a combination of Koch and Farnsworth.
Koch is a fixed random order of letters. So if
you have any other app or program that you find
that says it uses the Koch method, they're going
to teach the exact same order of letters. that
we use. I know, I believe the military had taught
it like, say, E -I -S -H -5. They taught all
the letters that were similar, like, you know,
one dit, two dits, three dits, then the same
with the dashes. But that, in my mind, leads
to a student to counting. And once you start
counting, that's really bad. Morse code is an
audible language. It's not a visual language,
with the exception of semifore or flashing light.
But you don't ever want to use any kind of method
that will lead you to counting the individual
dits and dows in the letters. that will really
severely hinder your ability to to increase your
speed. Stay away from any sort of visual aids.
I know there's charts out there. You can put
your finger on it. And every time you hear a
did or a die, you follow it down this little
ladder. And at the end, it'll tell you what letter
was sent. They're gimmicky, but they're not going
to do anything to help you learn it. Same thing
with these phrases like say the letter Q, da
da da da. God save the Queen. People hear that.
So they hear And if they learn those phrases,
they have to think what phrase that is. Okay,
God save the Queen, and that's the letter Q.
You just decoded that letter twice, okay? And
it's pointless to do that. If you're trying to
get up to good speed, you wanna learn the code
at the speed that you like to operate it at,
which is what the Koch method does. It sends
the characters at least 20 words a minute. But
Farnsworth gives extra spacing between those
letters so that overall, character overall word
speed might be as slow as five words a minute
but the individual letters are still being sent
at 20 words a minute or higher so that your brain
hears the sound that each letter makes not the
individual elements within that letter and as
you get your training your brain and you're learning
a language that's exactly what you're doing then
you reduce that gap so instead of being five
words a minute you get it up to 10 and then 15
until ultimately You don't need that extra spacing
because you have trained your brain, you've learned
the language and now you're operating Morse code
with everybody else. Yeah, I can testify to that
because when I learned the numbers, I counted.
The rest of the time I didn't, but numbers still
get me because I'm sitting there counting them
and that will do it. So totally agree. Well guys
I think that's that's all we've got for tonight,
but I appreciate you coming on appreciate you
sharing the information and Let's remind everybody
of the website again, and then we'll take some
final comments here before we go Well, thank
you very much for having us Neil. It's our pleasure.
There's a lot of fun to be a part of this and
Our club website is longislandcwclub .org. We
put a lot of things up on that website of interest
for CW. There's CW in the movies. There's historical
photos of CW back from World War II all the way
till today. It's just chock full of all type
of things that would be interesting to any...
CW Affixionato and you could probably spend a
couple of hours paging through all of that. So
you can find us there and you can have a lot
of fun on the website. Alright, so there you
have it. LongIslandCWClub .org .org .org. And
you can find them there and find all kinds of
good stuff there. So guys, final comments here.
Rich go ahead. I Just thank thank you for having
us on Neil. I appreciate it. And Again, if anybody's
interested in learning, please check us out We
want to help everybody to have as much fun as
Howard and I have Operating CW. Yeah, that's
right that should have mentioned that a long
time ago. Our motto is Having fun with CW if
you're not having fun. You're not going to learn
it. So For Ryan who was saying, you know, what
next? You really got to be involved with the
community to get the most out of learning. Learning
by yourself or doing anything by yourself is
not a motivating thing. It's better to be connected
to like -minded individuals. Now I remember those
records and I remember how fast I memorized the
records And I found the other day. I found the
original set of Farnsworth records that That's
one of my college professors gave me he was cleaning
out some stuff and he had those and gave them
to me and I still have them around but but yeah,
it you'd memorize everything pretty quickly on
those so that's That's one of the downfalls.
But it was cool that you could adjust the speed
by adjusting the speed of the record. That was
kind of cool. Well, put it this way, Neil. I
still have my 1965 Amico code practice record
that I used. I still have my Garar turntable
where I could increase the speed. So I have all
of that stuff still in the house. Yeah, so technology
has changed, but But the code has not, so it's
still there and we hope that people can take
advantage of these opportunities to have a community
that teaches CW and if they want to learn it
and get on and make some contact. So guys, thanks
so much for being on and I'm sure we'll be talking
again in the future. Well, thank you very much
for having us Neil really appreciate it. It's
our pleasure. Thank you, Neil All right. Well,
that is a wrap for this week's edition of ham
talk live Thanks to my guests Howard Bernstein
WB to use EE and rich Collins K to UPS and everybody
out there in cyberspace for listening and calling
in and typing in and invite you back next Thursday
night at 9 p .m. Eastern Time. Dave Swartz, W
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They just did some testing, so we're going to
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Neil Rapp WB9VPG saying 7375 and may the good
DX be yours! Well you came right back to my secure
call Your readability five and strength nine
You never once mentioned your weather at all
And I didn't mention mine We talked and talked
for hours and hours I completely forgot you're
a ham I don't know your power or the height of
your tower And frankly I don't give a damn 73
to you and your family I'll be seeing you further
down the law 73 to you and your family I'll be
seeing you further down the law