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Well, joining me tonight live is the Chief Nerd,
Bill Stearns, N -E -4 -R -D, the newly proclaimed
National Jamboree on the Air Task Force Chairman.
Bill currently resides in Billings, Montana with
his wife and three children, one of whom has
a birthday today, so happy birthday. And he's
a life member of ARRL and the K2BSA Amateur Radio
Association, of which he is currently the vice
president. And he is active in a lot of stateside
contesting with the Big Sky Contesters and Skywarn
with Yellowstone County Ares. And he's a software
and systems engineer, podcaster, and just generally
nerdy guy. You can find him on the Linux in the
Hamshack podcast. where he's been a co -host
since May 2016, and also over on Amateur Radio
Newsline reporting on radio scouting. So Bill,
welcome back. Yeah, thanks a lot Neil. Thanks
for having me back. I'm glad I didn't bore you
guys the last time I was here For a while you
had like two or three episodes in a row Yeah,
you had us on with Linux in the ham shack and
then I came back on for the world scout jamboree
and yeah, we just Constantly making the rounds
here. Yeah, it's the Bill Stern show Well, congratulations
on being named the chair for JOTA and big thanks
to Jim Wilson K5ND for all his years of work
and we wish him some well -deserved rest from
at least part of his volunteering. So tell us
how that new job's going so far. It's going pretty
well. We had a couple of meetings on the phone
at least to kind of at least get me in touch
with the BSA people and our Jodi counterpart
here in the U .S. We have it split into two different
task force right now for the U .S. And we actually
just had a meeting I think about two or three
weeks ago with WASM, the World Organization Scouting
Movement, the international organization, talking
about, you know, our Joda and Jodi preparations
and stuff like that. So it's kind of interesting
being on the sort of the business side of the
organization of the event here for the U .S.
and I hope we can continue to grow it as we have
been doing over the past few years that I've
been involved with it. Well, let's talk a little
bit about this year's Jamboree. Now, what do
you hope to accomplish this year and And how
can hams that are listening to us tonight help
out? Yeah, let's talk about Jamboree on the air
and Jamboree on the internet is next weekend.
It's the 18th through the 20th of October. And
if you don't know what Joda and Jody is, you
obviously haven't been listening. It's the largest
scouting event in the world, not just in the
US. It's the world event. This is an international
event. And if the sign of going to a national
jamboree in the U .S. versus a World Scout jamboree
in the U .S., we had twice as many people at
the World Scout jamboree. close to about 50 ,000
scouts. I think the number is close to 45 ,000
scouts. So everything in the world is scoped
huge, and a lot of people are involved in it,
and it's great. It's billed as the travel -free
jamboree. It's the jamboree you can participate
in from your home, from your troop, from a park,
or anywhere that the event is being hosted by
local parties. Whether that be a ham club for
like a Jota or you know, it might even be a troop
member that's a ham radio operator or just a
trooper pack or Crew that has somebody doing
the the Jota portion or Jodi portion as well
Which is basically using the internet to have
Scouts talk to other Scouts all over the world
And, you know, we here in the amateur radio community,
of course, focus our efforts on the Jota side
because we want to get kids on the air. And it's
a great way to introduce youth to ham radio and
amateur radio as a hobby, as a lifelong hobby,
as I like to say. It's definitely something that,
you know, you can, you know, get them interested.
And, you know, maybe. maybe they'll go get a
license, maybe they'll buy a radio, maybe they'll
get on the air. It happens. Some kids dig it,
and they want to get into it, and they do, and
some are just going through the motions. This
is one more little checkbox that they need to
check off for requirement, whether that be as
a Cub Scout for talking to someone in another
country. which is a requirement for their air
of light, or whether it be part of an Olympic
radio merit badge program that the Boy Scouts
are running, the Scouts are running. So yeah,
there's a ton of things that the Scouts can get
involved with with this event, and it's a great
opportunity to get the youth on the air. Now,
I got to relate this story, and I totally didn't
realize that I would do this until just now.
Uh, but today at school, it was ham club day
and we've got a new member and he has his license
and he got it at a scout camp this summer. Um,
so he was in New York state somewhere and did
the radio merit badge, got his license, hasn't
been on the air yet. So we got him to sit down
at the radio. We got him to call a station in
Spain a couple of times that We're getting him
over the mic fright, but But we're getting him
on the air and he's he's all excited about it.
But you know, he probably wouldn't have Done
that had it not been for for going to the scout
camp over the summer and and picking up the merit
patch That's right, and you know as Jim used
to say it's it's planting seeds like you're you're
planting a garden You know some of the some of
the roots will will take in and some won't you
know? So it's always it's always good to to give
you know to show this show amateur radio to as
many people as possible I mean, that's how we
grow the hobby is to get more people involved
in it and Obviously with with the scouting program.
We have a good captured audience because at one
point in time in their career, they're going
to have to cross over and use radio for something
or at least pass through like a jamboree, a summer
camp where someone set up a scout camp on the
air station. It's going to happen. They're going
to see it. So in the scouting programs throughout
the world, You know large amounts of scouts all
over the place So the the odds are as good to
get to get the youth involved with radio But
let's let's get back to just the Jodha and Jodi
event just to kind of get the paperwork out of
the way as they say if if you want to participate
in Jodha and Jodi if you're not already signed
up and Signing up means if you have a group Scouts
and you you want to register your call sign as
the event stations call sign You can do that
if you're going to operate by yourself and just
provide contacts For Scouts Which is it was needed
much like when we were talking about world scout
chamber II, you know Just we need other people
on the other end of the radio band conditions
are up and down still You know, the Sun is not
really our friend all the time And sometimes
we have really good conditions and sometimes
not, so the more people that can get involved
is always better. And I've even convinced a few
others, just get on the air, just register yourself
as a single person. You don't have to register
a group of 10 scouts or whatever, you can register
yourself and be participating in the event. And
with that... With that registration, there's
two places to register for at least the US market.
There's the international site, which of course
is jodajodi .info, J -O -T -A -J -O -T -I .info.
And on the website, you'll see a big sign up
button where you'll have to go ahead and register
your account. And you do have to have a scout
.org account. So you'll have to go through the
motions to get that. And what I am telling people
to do is if you even are a single, go ahead and
register as a group, because when you register
as a group, it opens up other options under your
profile, which allow you to also participate
and have what at least the Jodi people are gonna
be looking for generally, but we did get a lot
of this last year, these Jam Puzz IDs. So you
get a JID number when you register your group.
And you'll get an email, like I just got my email
today for it. So if you are already registered,
you probably received an email as well with your
number. Now, if you registered as an individual,
you will not get a number. So if you plan on
being on the air, then you probably want to go
ahead and flip your registration to a group.
And when you get down to the numbers of scouts,
just put zero. and you'll go ahead and be a group
of one. And you can go ahead and put all your
other information there. I'll ask you for your
call sign, if you're gonna be on Skype or the,
drawing a blank now, ScoutLink has a IRC chat
room as well. And that information is over there
as well. Air as like I'm logged in as any 4rd
there. So I'm the same pretty much everywhere
and once you get that registration done We're
losing you bill and strangely enough. Oh, there
you are. You're back. How And we've lost you
again You happy The wonders of the internet.
Yes, you're back. And now you're gone. The wonders
of the internet, ladies and gentlemen. Live radio.
Do you have me now? Yeah, yeah. I can hear you
now. Good. Where did I fall off at? Not far back,
you were just talking about converting it to
a group and all that registration stuff. Yeah,
so once you finish up with the international
site, go to the k2bsa .net site, register yourself
there, and you can register there as a group
of one as well, and put all your information
in there, and you're off to the races at that
point. You're registered for the event. Now,
you talked about what we want to accomplish during
the event. So what we want to accomplish is once
the event is done, we want as many people to
report back their experience and their information
back at the ktubsa .net site. So we can collect
accurate numbers on participants. So we can show
that we are growing the Jamboree on the Air and
Jamboree on the Internet program here in the
US. And the more stations we have sending back
reports, the more information we have. to know
exactly how many people are participating, because
that's really a hard number for us to get at
without people actually giving us that feedback
on exactly how the event went. And to incentivize
that, we do have for stations that follow through,
register, and follow through with reporting what
happened after the event, the follow -up. ICOM
America has graciously donated an ID51A Handy
Talkie for a prize for one of the people that
send back in their follow -up report, their after
action report to the K2BSA. So it's very cool
of them and we're really happy to have them as
a sponsor for that. Well, that's really cool.
ICOM helps out in so many ways and it's cool
that you can incentivize those reports because
that's a lot of the data that you need to move
forward with everything. So that's good news.
Yeah, it's hard to know if it's growing without
people sending it back in reports. But so far
so good on the registrations. We're about where
we were the last time at this time. We are just
crested over 234 234 registrations on the K2BSA
site. I haven't looked at the numbers over on
the Jota Jodi site because those will be mixed
between ham radio operators and non. So I'm more
interested in the ham radio side, obviously.
And yeah, our numbers are looking good. So hopefully
if we get every single one of those registrations
to actually report back, that would be awesome.
That would be great. But we'd like more. So if
you haven't registered, I know a lot of you haven't
registered yet, because generally by the time
Friday comes rolling around, we should be well
over 300. So I'm looking for another 70 or so
of you guys and gals to go ahead and register
your stations. And let's get on the air and let's
talk about scouting and ham radio and promoting
the hobby to the youth. And if you can put a
group together, that's good. And talking to Jocelyn
over at the Voice of America Museum of Broadcasting
in Westchester, Ohio today reminded me that they're
hosting the event at the museum. And so if you
come during museum hours on either the 19th or
the 20th, if you're a scout or a leader in uniform,
you get in free to the museum and you can get
on the air. And they have reduced prices for
adults and children that are with the Scouts.
So it's a chance to come check out the Voice
of America Museum of Broadcasting over there
in Westchester, Ohio. As well as get some Scouts
on the air and they're going to do some demonstrations
and that kind of thing because you know you can't
have every Scout on the radio. at the same time.
That's something that you can do with your own
group. Yeah, and it's always good, especially
if you have a group doing this, is to have volunteers,
because the more volunteers you have, obviously
the more people you can cycle through the station.
If you only have one radio, it really bores people
standing around looking at you cycling one or
two through the station. So yeah, it's best to
have a couple extra hands to help you out. Obviously,
if it's a sanctioned scouting event, you'll definitely
need to have at least one registered adult who's
been properly youth protection trained in your
group. And that's generally not a problem, because
I know a lot of those guys are also ham, so.
So yeah, I mean, by now, you should have already
planned your event if you're in a group. It does
take quite a bit of timing to get that handled,
get on the calendar and everything else. But,
you know, I've even thrown up a group in one
week, you know, send out a blast of email. You
know, I'm a registered scouter. I had a couple
of friends. We can all go out and throw up a
radio over at the park and say, you know, you
show up, we'll get you on the air. But we highly
recommend you plan the event so you can do all
the logistics of, you know, what are we going
to do when they're not? on the radio. You can
talk about demonstrating other aspects of amateur
radio, doing like little amateur radio direction
finding, building antennas, taking apart antennas,
doing stuff with Morse code keyers. There's lots
of little things that you can do at your event
to kind of augment the actual demonstration of
the radio. And you can find a lot of those resources
on the K2BSA site for that. Well, Jamboree on
the air is one of many operating events going
on this month and some contests and Christian
k0sth from the 100 watts in a wire podcast is
busy tonight's with his daughter's dance recital,
but he's here in spirit and by Well, I said mp3
but I guess it's actually a wave but but by recording
so here's a little bit about another operating
event that's coming up this weekend it's called
fallout and and and we'll um well there was a
little incident so we'll we'll let you hear about
that well well well look who it is old neil the
restraining order isn't awkward at all is it
buddy I told you, I didn't do it. You want to
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accidentally bumped you and you fell. So, several
hundred feet, sure. It was an accident. It was
an accident. We have to practice for fallout.
You know? We get up the mountain. I push you.
I mean, you fall down the mountain. You know,
these are things that happen. I don't have any
insurance to cover this medical pearl. bill thing
how's your knee by the way let me just get on
with it the 100 watts in a wire fallout is happening
this week it's actually happening right now or
as you would say Neil right now beginning tonight
going all the way through the weekend until Sunday
you can get on the air and make contacts and
have a chance to win some prizes in the random
drawing October 11th all the way through the
13th. We're gonna start tonight So zero hundred
UTC was the kickoff boop were underway Set up
your antennas outside if you can work from the
comfort of your own shack. It's up to you. I
Say if you have a portable station, let's try
to get it out before the weather gets too bad
And we say mmm. I don't know about that. I'm
gonna get the pellet stove going and I'm gonna
cuddle with my honey Because that's what people
do but if you can't go portable no problem. You
can work from your shack Let's exercise our gear
get on the air and you know what I like to do.
I Like to pretend there's something happening
whether it's a tornado or an earthquake God forbid,
but let's be ready for the fallout any band any
mode Just give you call sign a 100 watt ID if
you have it your state province Maybe you're
a DX country in a real signal report. There's
a point system this year, Neil, and it's because
there are a couple thousand dollars worth of
prizes, but the point system is very easy. You're
saying, see, child, I thought you said it wasn't
a contest, my man. It's not. But because of the
value of the prizes, I want you to at least work
25 contact points, and it's easy for you to do.
You can work any station. Get on the air, call
CQ Fallout. Teach people about the 100 watts
in a wire community make a contact It's worth
one point if you work a station with a 100 watt
ID, so it's worth asking That's worth two points
and If you work any of the special ops stations
It's worth five points all of the details are
at 100 watts in a wire comm click the activities
page It'll give you a list of prizes what you
need to do and how to enter the random drawing
All right, Neil, my friend, thank you for this
time. I should only be another 20 minutes or
so. So here we go. Let's start talking about
it. I'd like to first start with the song. This
is Whitney Houston, and it's for you. I'm just
kidding. I need to get outside and get this mask
going get this antenna up and start making contact
Neil bless you my brother Thank you so much.
I'll see you down the row won't be too long And
I hope to hear you guys on the air seven three
everybody. This is kilo zero Sierra Tango Hotel
listening for you doing the 100 watts in a wire
fallout Well, there you go. There's a Christian
k0 sth and and and Christian the the knees recovering
and and and If you're if you hear Christian on,
you know, he wanted a true signal report So so
don't give him a five nine, whatever you do,
you know, you know one one or something So well
anyway fallouts going on so you can check that
out as well and we've talked about Joda and we're
gonna talk a little bit about School club roundup
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at 812 -NET -HAM -1, 812 -638 -4261. And Bill,
one of the things that, you know, I always associate
with this because School Club Roundup is one
of my big things with being a high school club
sponsor. And so we always kind of associate Jamboree
on the Air with School Club Roundup because it's
either... you know the weekend before the weekend
after so we usually catch uh... a little bit
of traffic on both sides of uh... this year it's
right before school club roundup yeah yeah that's
always a good lead -in to uh... because uh...
you know scouting's involved in a lot of the
schools and and and so on and so forth and it's
always uh... it's you know another opportunity
to get you know youngsters on the air and uh...
yeah i'd i'd definitely see a a good good good
mashup of the two events being always next door
to each other, it makes a lot of sense. Whoever
planned that must have known something. Yeah,
there you go. The fall school club roundup is
always the third week of October and it's Monday
through Friday, so it's school days. And at our
school, we get on after school. Some schools
get on during the day. But it's another chance
for you to get on and talk to some youth out
there and get them involved in ham radio. So
School Club Roundup is October 21st through 25th.
So don't miss that and get on. And again, give.
them some people to talk to. There needs to be
somebody on the other side of the radio. And
if you can work with a school to get a club station
going, that's even better. Yeah. Speaking of
getting involved and getting together, we were
just talking in the break about one of the comments
we had via Twitter about a club trying to get
a local group together and do this jamboree on
the air event. And we always tell people that
if you're really trying to work hard at getting
JOTA started or JODI started in your area where
let's say there isn't an organized group doing
it, start working the district roundtables. That
way you get to the local district, you get there,
they have a monthly meeting, I don't know of
many districts that don't. and you start talking
to the district executive and the people that
are actually running, you know, the actual district
mechanics. So you can get people involved. You
can start getting it on the calendar. You know,
the Jamboree on the Air calendar is up on our
website that kind of tells you when you should
be doing stuff. And for you areas, for the areas
that are having this issue where your club's
interested in doing it, but can't get cooperation
from a local council or a local district, or
maybe you're only talking to a troop, I don't
know. Definitely start early and keep up with
the engagement with the district and possibly
even a council if you're in a larger area or
smaller area where the councils are more representative.
So that's all I could say to that is definitely
start earlier and talk people's ears off about
this event. Planning is always good if we know
what's going on ahead of time. It makes it a
whole lot easier to justify things in the youth
world because there's always those concerns that
need to be addressed about legal things and liability
and all that stuff that unfortunately has to
be... You know put into place to safeguard people
and and to make sure that you know, the resources
are there To make it a successful event. And
so if you can plan ahead that that always helps
Yeah, our planning calendar starts 10 months
out. So in january is when you should start planning
it That's when you should get it. Make sure it's
on everybody's calendars on everybody's newsletters
You kind of you start early and uh if you if
you follow that calendar uh... it's just a recommendation
not required but if you follow it you can kind
of gear up to making your event a success eight
one two six three eight four two six one is the
telephone number if you'd like to call in and
talk about uh... any of these events the uh...
jamboree on the air and internet or uh... fallout
or school club roundup give us a call at eight
one two net ham one eight one two six three eight
four two six one A little bit more about School
Club Roundup. You can find information about
that on the ARRL website. And also don't forget
about yotaregion2 .org. Go for it, yotaregion2.
They try to promote all of the youth events in
North Central and South America. So you can check
that out and get links to all of these places
as well. So don't forget about that. Well bill
Last we talked you were out in west virginia
and uh working the world scout jamboree. How
how did things go? Yeah, things went really well
at the uh at the world scout jamboree like I
said, we had uh, um, you know 45 000 scouts there,
uh, we saw about Gosh, I want to say 3 ,000.
I don't have the numbers pulled up right in front
of me from the final report. But yeah, we saw
about 3 ,000 in our tent. And this year, well,
for this event, we only had the demonstration
station there. We didn't do radio merit badge.
We did have also the amateur radio direction
finding group. They were over in the orienteering
section. And they saw quite a few scouts over
in there. And of course, we did three balloon
launches. And we had the ARIS contact with with
the space station, which was really awesome to
see that firsthand. I've kind of seen them online
and stuff like that, but never actually been
to one actually happen. And it was kind of interesting,
amazing, fun, and scary all at the same time.
Trying to organize it and get all that to come
off. And luckily we have just the right people
involved. Mike, W4UOO took care of the soundboard
and everything else for us, managed through that
content. was there and of course Jim running
the microphone, being the MC master like he always
is, it was great. And yeah, we had a lot of fun.
We had over 4 ,000 contacts. We also had an impromptu
testing session while we were at the World Scout
Jamboree for some of the adults in the camp.
And two of the people that we had in volunteering
at our tent both took their licenses, license
test, and they both passed the first time. So
they both got their technician's license, one
from Liechtenstein and the other one from the
UK. So it was really, really cool to see that
we had two staff members that weren't licensed,
but when they left the event, they were licensed.
So we were 100 % licensed in our event tent.
So it was pretty awesome. Well, that's great.
That's good news. So, sounds like that one went
well and you don't even have Jota over with yet
and already you're planning the National Scout
Jamboree event. Yeah, we got the National Scout
Jamboree coming up in 2021. It definitely feels
like this is an every other year thing. But no,
really, National Jamborees every four years.
It's just we had to squeeze a World Jamboree
in the middle of it all. Fortunately, it's at
the same place. So we're real excited to kind
of turn back on those antennas. So we just got
the new antennas for the World Scout Jamboree,
and they did perform very, very well. So we're
real excited. to get those back up in the air
and get those on the ICOM gear in 2021. And we're
already kind of retooling and refocusing. We
have some initial thoughts on how we're gonna
do it. I think we're gonna focus this time on
the Morse code interpreter strip as kind of what
would be the normal radio merit badge program.
It's kind of an idea, maybe more than an idea.
But we're going to be all about Morse code this
time. We've had so much interest in Morse code
at the event and not enough representation of
it. And I think this time we're going to try
to go a little bit crazy with Morse code. So
we haven't put the call out for team members
yet, but have that in mind. Brush up on the old
CW. We need some CW ops. for National Scout Jamboree.
So, yeah, that sounds great. Yeah. Yeah, so we're
real excited about it. Yeah, I think, you know,
that's a lot of good stuff, but a lot of planning
ahead. So good luck on getting it all squared
away and be sure to let us know what's going
on and how people can help out. Yeah, for sure.
For sure. No car. All right. Well anything else
I think we're gonna I think we're gonna wrap
things up here, but Anything else we need to
throw in here real quick bill No, they just just
remember register at the nationals, you know,
sorry the glue world site the international site
Joda Jodi info and The national site of course
for the u .s. Is ktubsa .net definitely register
there As well there is a net tonight in about
20 minutes or so on the star Jambo 365 star echo
link node where they have a the US radio scouting
net every second Thursday of each month And this
one luckily falls the week before Jota. So if
you have Jota questions, there are a ton of Jota
professionals that attend that. And I suggest
you connect over there and you can talk live
with Chris Overby and a bunch of other guys that
help make Jota a reality and the excellent event
that it actually is. So that's the USA Radio
Scouting Net over on starjota -365 star. And
I think that's all I have yeah, and somehow we
keep having you on right before that Just happens
Thursday of the month and it happens to be yeah,
it happens multiple times Well, Bill, thanks
for coming on the show. Thanks for filling us
in on what's going on with Jamboree on the air
and some upcoming things with K2BSA and radio
scouting and we look forward to hearing from
you again soon. Yeah, thanks for having me. All
right, well that's Bill Stern's Ne4RD. So that
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