WEBVTT 00:00:09.130 --> 00:00:11.949 Thanks for tuning in. HamTalk Live will be on 00:00:11.949 --> 00:00:29.750 the air shortly. Please stand by. This episode 00:00:29.750 --> 00:00:33.329 of HamTalk Live is brought to you by Tower Electronics. 00:00:33.750 --> 00:00:38.030 For connectors, cables, and more, call 920 -435 00:00:38.030 --> 00:00:44.770 -2973 or visit pl -259 .com. And by ICOM, heard 00:00:44.770 --> 00:00:50.009 it, worked it, logged it. Visit www .icomamerica 00:00:50.009 --> 00:00:53.729 .com slash amateur for more information about 00:00:53.729 --> 00:01:28.909 ICOM radios. Good evening, everyone. It's time 00:01:28.909 --> 00:01:35.010 for HamTalk Live episode number 189. NTS Message 00:01:35.010 --> 00:01:38.689 Handling recorded live on Thursday, November 00:01:38.689 --> 00:01:45.650 7th, 2019. I'm your host, Neil Rapp, WB9VPG. 00:01:46.150 --> 00:01:49.370 Thanks for tuning in to this episode of HamTalk 00:01:49.370 --> 00:01:56.620 Live. Tonight, we're joined by Marcia Ford. W1U 00:01:56.620 --> 00:01:59.819 and we'll take your calls live in just a few 00:01:59.819 --> 00:02:05.739 minutes. Last week, John Portun, W6NBC was here 00:02:05.739 --> 00:02:10.460 to talk about HOAs and stealth antennas. If you 00:02:10.460 --> 00:02:12.500 missed that show, you can listen anytime. Just 00:02:12.500 --> 00:02:16.620 go to hamptalklive .com or your favorite podcast 00:02:16.620 --> 00:02:20.840 app or YouTube and you can listen to it whenever 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:24.590 you like. Or you can catch the rebroadcast on 00:02:24.590 --> 00:02:31.430 WTWW. That's 5 0 8 5 a .m. Saturday evenings 00:02:31.430 --> 00:02:35.590 and that's about about 6 30 p .m. Eastern time 00:02:35.590 --> 00:02:38.250 on their lineup. Well a couple of comments here 00:02:38.250 --> 00:02:41.009 before we go. There's been a ton of stuff going 00:02:41.009 --> 00:02:45.189 on around here and Next Friday night, I'm kind 00:02:45.189 --> 00:02:49.969 of excited. Val NV9L is going to be our guest 00:02:49.969 --> 00:02:52.229 speaker at the Southern Indiana Amateur Radio 00:02:52.229 --> 00:02:54.990 Association meeting here in Bloomington next 00:02:54.990 --> 00:02:58.210 Friday. She's going to talk about emergency communications 00:02:58.210 --> 00:03:01.389 and her experience in Puerto Rico. So I know 00:03:01.389 --> 00:03:03.770 most of you aren't, but if you happen to be in 00:03:03.770 --> 00:03:08.210 the area, We invite you to be there. It's going 00:03:08.210 --> 00:03:11.150 to be over at the Indiana University campus. 00:03:11.389 --> 00:03:19.509 So check out 73SIARA .org and you can check that 00:03:19.509 --> 00:03:22.849 out. And looking forward to hearing what she 00:03:22.849 --> 00:03:26.189 has to say. And I had to share this today at 00:03:26.189 --> 00:03:29.729 school. It was a great experience. After we had 00:03:29.729 --> 00:03:32.909 our ham radio club meeting, we had a Girl Scout 00:03:32.909 --> 00:03:35.729 troop that visited and I was able to get six 00:03:35.729 --> 00:03:38.889 Girl Scouts on the air. They came and visited 00:03:38.889 --> 00:03:41.590 the shack today and they completed their Girl 00:03:41.590 --> 00:03:44.550 Scout patch for radio and wireless technology. 00:03:45.310 --> 00:03:47.870 So congratulations to them and a shout out to 00:03:47.870 --> 00:03:51.870 John HK3C down in Columbia for getting on and 00:03:51.870 --> 00:03:54.509 trying. We never could hear him and he couldn't 00:03:54.509 --> 00:03:59.000 hear us. Um, so jumped on 40 and just started 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:02.139 tuning around and who do I find? But Vito VA 00:04:02.139 --> 00:04:06.840 three VMD loud and clear on 40. So, uh, he quickly 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:09.400 agreed to talk to all six of these young ladies. 00:04:10.060 --> 00:04:13.620 And, um, so Vito, thanks for letting us get those. 00:04:13.979 --> 00:04:17.860 first contacts today for those six Girl Scouts. 00:04:18.019 --> 00:04:21.079 It was a whole lot of fun. It was a blast to 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:24.980 see their faces as they're talking on the radio 00:04:24.980 --> 00:04:29.459 to Ontario. So we'll come back. We're going to 00:04:29.459 --> 00:04:31.959 talk message handling tonight. Get your questions 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:34.259 ready to go. If you're listening to us live on 00:04:34.259 --> 00:04:37.959 Thursday night, you can ask your questions. Right 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:40.500 after the interview, we'll give you a chance 00:04:40.500 --> 00:04:42.279 to do that, but I'll go ahead and give you the 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:44.699 phone number now so you can have it and write 00:04:44.699 --> 00:04:49.399 that down, have it ready to go. It's 812 -638 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:57.920 -4261. 812 -NET -HAM -1. You can also send us 00:04:57.920 --> 00:05:01.199 a question via Twitter. Our Twitter handle is 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:05.779 at HamTalk Live. So I'll be back with Marcia 00:05:05.779 --> 00:05:08.560 right after this word. from Tower Electronics 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:12.300 right here on HamTalk Live. Thank you for a lovely 00:05:12.300 --> 00:05:16.000 dinner. Aren't you going to ask me in to solder 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:19.959 some PL259s? Well, I do have some from Tower 00:05:19.959 --> 00:05:24.139 Electronics. How can I refuse? 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Their HamFest schedule 00:06:44.810 --> 00:06:48.850 coming up this weekend. It's Montgomery, Alabama. 00:06:49.170 --> 00:06:52.370 November 8th and 9th. November 16th and 17th 00:06:52.370 --> 00:06:55.889 will be in Fort Wayne, Indiana. December 6th 00:06:55.889 --> 00:06:59.149 and 7th, Ocala, Florida. And December 13th and 00:06:59.149 --> 00:07:03.389 14th... Plant City, Florida, that's near Tampa. 00:07:04.189 --> 00:07:07.790 And if you can't make any of those, you can visit 00:07:07.790 --> 00:07:15.949 them 24 -7 at PL -259 .com. My guest tonight 00:07:15.949 --> 00:07:20.290 is Marcia Ford, KW1U. She's been a ham since 00:07:20.290 --> 00:07:24.269 1980. and currently resides in Concord, Mass. 00:07:24.610 --> 00:07:27.889 She was introduced to Ham Radio when her son 00:07:27.889 --> 00:07:33.870 Dale, now K1WU, was 13 years old and took a summer 00:07:33.870 --> 00:07:37.930 school class in Morse code from Ham. She's been 00:07:37.930 --> 00:07:42.449 an active traffic handler in the ARRL's National 00:07:42.449 --> 00:07:46.250 Traffic System since 1981, participating at all 00:07:46.250 --> 00:07:49.170 levels from local and section to region and area 00:07:49.170 --> 00:07:53.990 and even the Transcontinental Corps on both CW 00:07:53.990 --> 00:07:57.470 and Sideband. She's a first region net control 00:07:57.470 --> 00:08:00.550 operator and the first region net liaison to 00:08:00.550 --> 00:08:03.829 the Eastern Area Net and she is the section traffic 00:08:03.829 --> 00:08:09.220 manager. for the Eastern Massachusetts ARRL section. 00:08:10.019 --> 00:08:12.459 So, Marcia, thank you so much for coming on the 00:08:12.459 --> 00:08:16.060 show tonight and your net controls relieving 00:08:16.060 --> 00:08:18.579 you here out of part of your duties tonight so 00:08:18.579 --> 00:08:23.300 you can be here. Good evening to you, Neil, and 00:08:23.300 --> 00:08:28.699 all your listeners there. Yeah, I had no problem 00:08:28.699 --> 00:08:31.279 getting someone to cover for me. I normally would 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:38.529 be on a net at 930. Yeah Yeah, I was gonna say 00:08:38.529 --> 00:08:42.549 you've got quite a string of Thursday night nets 00:08:42.549 --> 00:08:46.250 now run them down for us because it was it was 00:08:46.250 --> 00:08:50.750 pretty impressive Well, we have our section phone 00:08:50.750 --> 00:08:53.429 net at six o 'clock, it's a Massachusetts Rhode 00:08:53.429 --> 00:08:57.769 Island phone net and At seven o 'clock. We have 00:08:57.769 --> 00:09:01.429 our CW section at Massachusetts Rhode Island 00:09:01.429 --> 00:09:07.889 and they are I At 745, I'm on First Region Net, 00:09:08.210 --> 00:09:13.549 1RN, and I go to Eastern Area. Well, I skipped 00:09:13.549 --> 00:09:17.090 one. At 8 o 'clock, I do have a local net that 00:09:17.090 --> 00:09:21.529 I also net control on on Thursday nights. At 00:09:21.529 --> 00:09:25.870 830, I'm on Eastern Area net, and at 930, now 00:09:25.870 --> 00:09:30.429 on 1RN again, late session. So it's a full night 00:09:30.429 --> 00:09:33.840 on Thursdays. Boy, it is. That's a lot of nets 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:38.360 on the Thursday night. And I appreciate you getting 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:41.539 relief for a couple of those to stick with us 00:09:41.539 --> 00:09:44.259 here a little longer tonight. And talk about 00:09:44.259 --> 00:09:46.139 message handling. It's something we haven't talked 00:09:46.139 --> 00:09:50.539 about on the show. We got some requests for this 00:09:50.539 --> 00:09:54.779 topic. And I know that it's something that hams 00:09:54.779 --> 00:09:59.080 aren't. All familiar with there. There's a lot 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:01.759 of hams out there that don't know how to pass 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:05.159 Formal traffic and you know, it's something I 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:08.700 picked up early on but it was something that 00:10:08.700 --> 00:10:11.960 I had time to do and and it was a really big 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:17.860 thing because Sometimes that was the only Affordable 00:10:17.860 --> 00:10:22.669 means of long -distance communication that was 00:10:22.669 --> 00:10:26.110 timely it would it would beat the letters you 00:10:26.110 --> 00:10:30.629 know that took a month from overseas and so it 00:10:30.629 --> 00:10:33.649 was a it was a big thing so i i spent a lot of 00:10:33.649 --> 00:10:37.250 time doing that when i was uh when i was a young 00:10:37.250 --> 00:10:42.529 boy but um what does a new ham or a ham that 00:10:42.529 --> 00:10:46.159 hasn't pass traffic before really need to know 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:50.120 about the delivery of a message. So if a message 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:54.960 comes in and they decide to take it and deliver 00:10:54.960 --> 00:11:00.340 it, what do they need to know? Well, first of 00:11:00.340 --> 00:11:04.179 all, when you take the message, you need to be 00:11:04.179 --> 00:11:07.440 pretty confident that you've copied it correctly, 00:11:07.740 --> 00:11:11.879 accurately. And we can go through that at some 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:15.940 point. But having copied it, you're quite sure 00:11:15.940 --> 00:11:18.860 you have it correct. You need to be able to. 00:11:19.019 --> 00:11:21.340 Most of the time, deliveries are made by phone, 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:24.179 although, as you know, today's world, a lot of 00:11:24.179 --> 00:11:29.059 people don't answer their phone. They don't recognize 00:11:29.059 --> 00:11:31.220 the number, and I'm one of those. I don't pick 00:11:31.220 --> 00:11:35.000 it up. So it can be kind of difficult making 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:38.259 phone deliveries, but delivery can be also by 00:11:38.259 --> 00:11:41.899 email. It could be by snail mail. We have one 00:11:41.899 --> 00:11:46.120 guy in our section who rides a bicycle, and he 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:48.039 will deliver a message anywhere within about 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:52.019 a 40 -mile radius on his bicycle. Wow. On a bicycle. 00:11:52.179 --> 00:11:54.720 Bicycle mobile. I used to do bicycle mobile. 00:11:54.740 --> 00:12:04.500 That was fun. Yeah, he enjoys it. But if you're 00:12:04.500 --> 00:12:07.299 going to make a phone call, there's several things 00:12:07.299 --> 00:12:12.179 to keep in mind. You want to be sure that the 00:12:12.179 --> 00:12:15.379 person gets a message. Very often you might get 00:12:15.379 --> 00:12:17.539 a voicemail and you can leave a message, but 00:12:17.539 --> 00:12:21.600 it's best not to actually read the message itself, 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:24.259 but to leave your name, your number. You always 00:12:24.259 --> 00:12:28.179 want to introduce yourself, who you are, that 00:12:28.179 --> 00:12:32.899 you're a ham radio operator, and that you have 00:12:32.899 --> 00:12:37.000 a radiogram. We stress it. It's free, like a 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:40.139 free telegram, but it's handled by amateur radio. 00:12:40.889 --> 00:12:43.490 It's going to whatever the individual's name 00:12:43.490 --> 00:12:46.049 is and you always want to mention who it's from 00:12:46.049 --> 00:12:49.149 so they Get right off the bat. They know you're 00:12:49.149 --> 00:12:55.009 not a telemarketer So That's one of the things 00:12:55.009 --> 00:12:57.669 some of the people will now do emails because 00:12:57.669 --> 00:13:00.850 we can't get the phone So I also have people 00:13:00.850 --> 00:13:04.830 in my section. They want to send an email to 00:13:04.830 --> 00:13:07.649 give a little brief explanation in the beginning, 00:13:07.789 --> 00:13:10.570 just to introduce themselves and where they got 00:13:10.570 --> 00:13:12.710 the message. It's often something people wonder. 00:13:13.710 --> 00:13:17.809 So some of the finer points of delivering traffic. 00:13:19.029 --> 00:13:24.129 We have a lot of information available in our 00:13:24.129 --> 00:13:26.889 methods and practices guideline. If people are 00:13:26.889 --> 00:13:31.539 interested, it's very voluminous. publication, 00:13:31.740 --> 00:13:34.759 it's on the Aero website, but it is very well 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:38.200 indexed, I think, and you can look for what particular 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:46.700 topic you're interested in. you know, like you 00:13:46.700 --> 00:13:50.200 said, it's a challenge to make sure they understand 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:53.820 what's going on. And then, you know, just today, 00:13:53.820 --> 00:13:57.340 I got three calls that, you know, were supposedly 00:13:57.340 --> 00:14:00.159 from the Social Security Administration telling 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:04.659 me that I need to take care of this problem immediately. 00:14:05.539 --> 00:14:10.220 And it's not. And so, you know, you want to ignore 00:14:10.220 --> 00:14:15.629 those calls and And so that is an added challenge 00:14:15.629 --> 00:14:20.149 these days because, yeah, I mean, I do the same 00:14:20.149 --> 00:14:23.289 thing. If it's not a number I know, it goes to 00:14:23.289 --> 00:14:28.389 voicemail and then I'll call back if that's it 00:14:28.389 --> 00:14:32.629 because most of the time it's not somebody I 00:14:32.629 --> 00:14:37.389 know. And so that's a challenge. Well, what about 00:14:37.389 --> 00:14:41.610 sending a message? How do you format The message 00:14:41.610 --> 00:14:44.129 and how is it sent? And I will say this before 00:14:44.129 --> 00:14:47.450 I, before I turn it over to you that in the, 00:14:47.450 --> 00:14:51.129 uh, promotions on the show for, uh, Facebook, 00:14:51.129 --> 00:14:54.509 Twitter, Instagram, and E ham and Reddit and 00:14:54.509 --> 00:14:57.190 well, we didn't put it on, on, uh, Reddit and 00:14:57.190 --> 00:15:00.409 E ham because we don't do graphics, uh, and QRZ. 00:15:00.590 --> 00:15:03.330 So, so Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and QRZ, 00:15:03.649 --> 00:15:07.769 I did put a picture of a sample radiogram form. 00:15:08.230 --> 00:15:12.360 So, um, since this is radio and you can't look 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:15.600 at the form, if you have one of those around 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:18.700 and you want to see the form, I did send out 00:15:18.700 --> 00:15:22.539 a picture of that. So tell us about how to send 00:15:22.539 --> 00:15:25.360 a message, how it's formatted and how you go 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:31.480 about sending it. Okay, well, if you can have 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:33.559 a picture of this form in front of you, you can 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:35.500 understand what I'm talking about. One of the 00:15:35.500 --> 00:15:42.080 primary things, parts of a radiogram is the header, 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:45.100 what we call the header or the preamble, which 00:15:45.100 --> 00:15:47.399 contains very important information. One of the 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:49.820 advantages of what we do is that we could track 00:15:49.820 --> 00:15:53.179 a message. We have a written record of it. And 00:15:53.179 --> 00:15:55.799 we can always go back and find it, find out what 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:58.440 happened to it, if it gets lost for some reason. 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:04.440 So you'll notice at the top of the form, there 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:07.100 are boxes across there. There's eight boxes. 00:16:10.100 --> 00:16:13.500 The six of those are absolutely mandatory. Two 00:16:13.500 --> 00:16:17.600 of them are very optional. With the first box, 00:16:17.620 --> 00:16:20.759 you'll have a message number and this is an identifier 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:24.440 for that message. That's your message number. 00:16:24.500 --> 00:16:27.720 You assigned that number. A lot of people start 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:31.039 with one and just go sequentially. People have 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:33.200 various other numbering schemes, but that's up 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:39.409 to you. The next box is a precedence and that 00:16:39.409 --> 00:16:43.309 establishes the priority of the message We have 00:16:43.309 --> 00:16:49.330 four precedences emergency priority welfare and 00:16:49.330 --> 00:16:54.570 routine emergency we I've never seen I've never 00:16:54.570 --> 00:16:56.429 seen a formal written message with emergency. 00:16:56.509 --> 00:17:01.029 Usually that's done more tactical but the priority 00:17:01.029 --> 00:17:05.130 you will see with the officials of organizations 00:17:05.130 --> 00:17:10.470 if you do emergency work or it may be a priority 00:17:10.470 --> 00:17:14.410 if there's a time sensitivity to it. Health and 00:17:14.410 --> 00:17:19.950 welfare is pretty obvious and then we have routine 00:17:19.950 --> 00:17:23.970 which is mostly what we do. Routine messages 00:17:23.970 --> 00:17:27.170 are what we practice on and that's one of the 00:17:27.170 --> 00:17:30.400 reasons we We do this as much as we do because 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:33.880 we're ready, we've practiced, and we know what 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:39.299 to do if the emergency situation arises where 00:17:39.299 --> 00:17:44.740 it's not the time to learn. The next box, the 00:17:44.740 --> 00:17:46.619 handling instruction, and that's an optional 00:17:46.619 --> 00:17:50.019 one. And what it is is the originator of the 00:17:50.019 --> 00:17:53.380 message wants to add some additional information 00:17:53.380 --> 00:17:58.609 for a delivering station. We can leave that for 00:17:58.609 --> 00:18:01.690 another time, but as I say, that's optional. 00:18:02.609 --> 00:18:05.089 And just a couple of examples of that would be 00:18:05.089 --> 00:18:11.009 like, you want a return receipt or something 00:18:11.009 --> 00:18:16.450 that is special about that delivery. Correct. 00:18:17.390 --> 00:18:21.990 We use HX and then another letter between A and 00:18:21.990 --> 00:18:28.220 G. So we would say Hotel X -Ray, Charlie, for 00:18:28.220 --> 00:18:32.460 example, might say, please report back the date 00:18:32.460 --> 00:18:34.839 and time of delivery. We want to know that it's 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:40.400 been delivered. Or we might use HXE, Echo. And 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:43.319 there will be a request for a reply back. So 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:48.559 something of that nature. Very good. And then 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:51.119 the next box is your station of origin. And that 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:54.099 is your call if you're formatting the message 00:18:54.099 --> 00:18:58.369 and putting it on the air. You may be creating 00:18:58.369 --> 00:19:03.549 your own message or you may help someone else, 00:19:03.589 --> 00:19:08.450 a third party, put a message on the air. It would 00:19:08.450 --> 00:19:10.490 be your call if you're the one that's formatting 00:19:10.490 --> 00:19:14.390 that message and putting it on the air. The next 00:19:14.390 --> 00:19:17.609 box is a check and that's a very important part 00:19:17.609 --> 00:19:19.890 of the message because that's what helps us to 00:19:19.890 --> 00:19:23.890 maintain accuracy. That is the number of word 00:19:23.890 --> 00:19:28.559 groups in the text of the message. That number 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:30.980 has to agree with the number of words you see 00:19:30.980 --> 00:19:33.880 below in the text, so we'll go through the text 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:39.200 later. The next box is a place of origin, and 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:41.819 if it's your own message, it would be your location. 00:19:42.779 --> 00:19:45.779 But if it's for a third party, it would be their 00:19:45.779 --> 00:19:48.859 location, whoever it needs to match with the 00:19:48.859 --> 00:19:52.990 signature of the message. The next box is a time 00:19:52.990 --> 00:19:56.210 file and we rarely use that, particularly for 00:19:56.210 --> 00:19:58.730 routine messages, but it is optional if people 00:19:58.730 --> 00:20:03.970 want to use that. And we generally use UTC time 00:20:03.970 --> 00:20:09.269 in there because the message may be going across 00:20:09.269 --> 00:20:12.910 time zones or maybe going to another country. 00:20:13.869 --> 00:20:17.940 So to be consistent, we use UTC time there. And 00:20:17.940 --> 00:20:20.319 then the final box is the date of the message 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:22.900 and I often use because I handle so many. The 00:20:22.900 --> 00:20:25.039 date is very important if I need to locate it. 00:20:25.059 --> 00:20:28.000 If you could tell me what date was in it then 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:30.380 that helps me to find it because I have so many 00:20:30.380 --> 00:20:33.619 to go through. But you have the six parts then 00:20:33.619 --> 00:20:35.799 that are absolutely mandatory and that's what 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:41.200 helps us keep track of a message. Following that 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:44.579 part of the message we have the address, the 00:20:44.579 --> 00:20:48.480 name and address. It's important to have as much 00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:51.119 information that would help someone to deliver 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:56.880 that message. If there's a ham call, you might 00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:59.579 include that. You want to have a street address 00:20:59.579 --> 00:21:04.079 if it has to be mailed, a city in town or town 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:07.319 and state. And a zip code is very important. 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:10.940 We also have a digital network and the digital 00:21:10.940 --> 00:21:14.150 system of which I'm involved. forwards often 00:21:14.150 --> 00:21:16.869 by zip code. So it's very important to have a 00:21:16.869 --> 00:21:19.789 zip code in there. And then obviously the phone 00:21:19.789 --> 00:21:23.210 number and also email address if you have anything 00:21:23.210 --> 00:21:28.569 helping to get that message delivered. At the 00:21:28.569 --> 00:21:32.869 end of this portion, we would have a break. We'll 00:21:32.869 --> 00:21:35.509 go through that later when we do a sample message. 00:21:36.410 --> 00:21:40.390 Then you have your text. We try to keep the text 00:21:40.390 --> 00:21:44.769 to 25 words or less. It's not a hard and fast 00:21:44.769 --> 00:21:48.549 rule, but that's encouraged to be succinct in 00:21:48.549 --> 00:21:52.190 how you word a message and also to help cut down 00:21:52.190 --> 00:21:57.269 the sending time to get it relayed. Following 00:21:57.269 --> 00:22:04.329 the text, we have the signature. And I would 00:22:04.329 --> 00:22:09.009 caution that people like to put things like 7 00:22:09.009 --> 00:22:14.460 -3, best streak hours, Love whatever they put 00:22:14.460 --> 00:22:17.299 that is all part of the text only thing in the 00:22:17.299 --> 00:22:21.220 signature is the signature self Anything else 00:22:21.220 --> 00:22:23.839 this person sending the messages wants to add 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:25.680 if they want to put their own phone number down 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:31.079 so the address he can can Call them by phone 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:37.880 So that is the format of the message And we can 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:40.900 go over at some point and what you might find 00:22:40.900 --> 00:22:45.900 in the text And so forth. Yeah, I think I think 00:22:45.900 --> 00:22:50.519 the breaks in the word count are probably the 00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:54.420 most tricky for beginners because if you have 00:22:54.420 --> 00:22:59.099 numbers and then you have periods which are x 00:22:59.099 --> 00:23:03.400 -rays that they it's not really an x -ray it's 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:07.319 The term x -ray is used for a period for end 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:11.420 of sentence. And so that can get a little bit 00:23:11.420 --> 00:23:14.059 tricky. So you can kind of point that out. But 00:23:14.059 --> 00:23:18.619 I was going to ask you to kind of display and 00:23:18.619 --> 00:23:22.380 sample what passing a message would sound like 00:23:22.380 --> 00:23:25.000 and where the breaks are and everything. And 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:31.319 this is the wonders of live radio. We got a tweet. 00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:35.059 Wall ago, and it was in the form of a message. 00:23:35.059 --> 00:23:38.039 So I decided right before the show, right before 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:42.220 we went to air that I'd just go ahead and pass 00:23:42.220 --> 00:23:44.960 this message to you and then you can critique 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:48.380 me and you can, you can use this as an example 00:23:48.380 --> 00:23:51.819 and kind of explain what I was doing. So, uh, 00:23:51.819 --> 00:23:56.460 thanks to Dave K five I X for sending in a tweet 00:23:56.460 --> 00:23:59.960 in the form of a NTS message. We're, we're going 00:23:59.960 --> 00:24:04.900 to. We're going to do this. So here we go. So 00:24:04.900 --> 00:24:12.599 this is David's number 11 routine. Now, now you 00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:14.819 hear you hear her typing. She's trying to keep 00:24:14.819 --> 00:24:17.799 up with this. And you know, I used to I used 00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:20.759 to write all these by hand when I did them. And 00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:25.599 so I would leave a lot more space. I'm going 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:28.140 a little faster here because I don't want to. 00:24:28.220 --> 00:24:30.319 you know put everybody to sleep as i'm doing 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:33.779 this but okay so it was number 11 routine hotel 00:24:33.779 --> 00:24:43.079 x -ray golf from kilo five india x -ray a check 00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:52.960 of 19 bracketville that's bravo radio alpha charlie 00:24:52.960 --> 00:25:01.319 kilo echo tango tango Victor, India, Lima, Lima, 00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:10.440 Echo, Brackettville, Texas, November 7th. Going 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:31.579 to Marsha Ford, NW1U. Break for text. Now at 00:25:31.579 --> 00:25:34.380 this point I took the break. Yeah, okay. Oh good. 00:25:35.420 --> 00:25:39.140 I Was just gonna say when you do break allow 00:25:39.140 --> 00:25:43.420 a few seconds Before continuing and allow me 00:25:43.420 --> 00:25:46.400 to break in if I need to fill what you've done 00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:50.369 so far But if I don't respond to you, then you 00:25:50.369 --> 00:25:53.390 can just keep going because I'm typing and then 00:25:53.390 --> 00:25:56.170 I have to pick up that microphone and so forth. 00:25:56.549 --> 00:25:59.589 So it makes it, it's better if you just keep 00:25:59.589 --> 00:26:02.509 going is just allow a few seconds for a response. 00:26:03.410 --> 00:26:08.009 Go ahead after the break. Here's the text. Thanks 00:26:08.009 --> 00:26:23.359 for your visit to ham talk live. x -ray I look 00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:39.519 forward to the podcast during my morning commute 00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:54.170 x -ray seven three Break for signature. Signature 00:26:54.170 --> 00:27:04.750 is Dave Kilo five India X -ray. End of message. 00:27:07.650 --> 00:27:12.130 All right. So that's, that's what it sounds like. 00:27:12.289 --> 00:27:15.309 So you, you critique what I did and, and, and 00:27:15.309 --> 00:27:21.529 explain what I did there. Okay Well, first first 00:27:21.529 --> 00:27:25.410 of all, I would say I Roger your message although 00:27:25.410 --> 00:27:31.609 I think purse what I would like to Say I confirm 00:27:31.609 --> 00:27:39.470 that ham talk live is one word It is on Twitter 00:27:39.470 --> 00:27:43.809 it's the at ham talk live thing so it is actually 00:27:43.809 --> 00:27:47.900 typed as one word Even though it's okay That 00:27:47.900 --> 00:27:51.460 gives me the check of 19, and I can roger your 00:27:51.460 --> 00:28:00.359 message. Okay, so you gave me the required information 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:05.900 and the preamble, including the check of 19, 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:09.539 and we will count as we get to the text. And 00:28:09.539 --> 00:28:12.619 you gave me the town in Texas as Bracketville, 00:28:12.619 --> 00:28:15.059 and you spelled it out for me, which was very 00:28:15.059 --> 00:28:18.640 important because I've never heard of Brackenville, 00:28:18.740 --> 00:28:22.519 so it's important, I think, to use phonetics. 00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:26.660 We always use phonetics when spelling out proper 00:28:26.660 --> 00:28:31.579 names and unusual spellings. Makes it easier 00:28:31.579 --> 00:28:38.839 to copy. You gave me, after my call sign, which 00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:42.559 he got was in W1U, I'm KW1U, but that's beside 00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:46.640 the point, you gave me a break. And I said that... 00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:50.240 as I mentioned before, you just need to pause 00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:53.819 and I didn't need any fills at that point so 00:28:53.819 --> 00:28:57.839 you were able to continue on and you gave the 00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:02.460 the text at a nice relatively slow speed. It 00:29:02.460 --> 00:29:04.579 was slow for me because I could have typed faster 00:29:04.579 --> 00:29:06.900 but for someone writing it down you want to kind 00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:10.859 of visualize you're writing it yourself if you're 00:29:10.859 --> 00:29:16.359 reading a text. People, especially when they're 00:29:16.359 --> 00:29:20.200 new, they tend to read fast. And a lot of people 00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:22.500 who are copying by hand can't copy that fast, 00:29:22.539 --> 00:29:24.819 so we always suggest that you kind of picture 00:29:24.819 --> 00:29:27.099 in your mind that you're writing it down as you're 00:29:27.099 --> 00:29:33.920 reading it. I personally copy five words to the 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:36.119 line. I've gotten used to doing that, so it makes 00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:39.599 it easy to check the number of words I have in 00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:45.789 there. I use the x -ray for a period. Twice and 00:29:45.789 --> 00:29:54.470 that x -ray actually counts as a work group And 00:29:54.470 --> 00:29:56.950 at the end of your text you said break which 00:29:56.950 --> 00:30:00.490 gave me time to Ask for a fill if I needed it 00:30:00.490 --> 00:30:07.170 and then you gave me the signature so Did a fine 00:30:07.170 --> 00:30:15.680 job Oh, thank you Now we talked about x -ray 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:19.420 counting as one of the numbers, you know, one 00:30:19.420 --> 00:30:24.220 of the word groups in the check. Numbers are 00:30:24.220 --> 00:30:27.079 kind of confusing because if you spell out the 00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:29.819 number, it's a word, but if you use the digit 00:30:29.819 --> 00:30:36.400 for a number, how do you count those? All right. 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.559 When you gave me the 7 -3, you want to say, Figures, 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.059 7 -3. Otherwise, if you just said 7 -3, I would 00:30:45.059 --> 00:30:48.880 write out 7, S -E -V -E -N, 3, T -H -R -E -E. 00:30:49.180 --> 00:30:51.460 So when you're reading a message, you want to 00:30:51.460 --> 00:30:56.000 use the term Figures, 7 -3, and then I know that's 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:59.759 what I need to type. So if we count the words, 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.980 thanks for your visit, too. I guess it was five 00:31:03.980 --> 00:31:07.660 words. And then on the next line, I take ham 00:31:07.660 --> 00:31:12.660 talk live, x -ray, I look forward. That was another 00:31:12.660 --> 00:31:17.279 five word groups. And then we get to the next 00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:24.559 line, to the podcast, during my. And that's another 00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:29.440 five words. And then finally, morning commute, 00:31:30.500 --> 00:31:34.950 initial x -ray. And we always say initial. X 00:31:34.950 --> 00:31:40.809 -ray or letter or initial X -ray or We need to 00:31:40.809 --> 00:31:48.089 preface that so that It makes for an easier copy 00:31:48.089 --> 00:31:51.089 and then you say figure seven three which is 00:31:51.089 --> 00:31:54.730 four words in that so we had Three lines of five 00:31:54.730 --> 00:31:57.730 and one of four totaled up to 19 and I got the 00:31:57.730 --> 00:32:01.029 correct check So I I think I did pretty well 00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:06.500 All right. Well, that's how it works. So I should 00:32:06.500 --> 00:32:09.099 have said figures or numbers I sometimes I'll 00:32:09.099 --> 00:32:11.019 do numbers, but yeah, that should have should 00:32:11.019 --> 00:32:14.140 have said figures but I got everything else I 00:32:14.140 --> 00:32:18.119 think so So that's how you do it. So what we're 00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:20.079 gonna do we're run a little over. So we're gonna 00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:22.099 take a break We're gonna come back. We're gonna 00:32:22.099 --> 00:32:26.109 take your questions And so we'll talk about this 00:32:26.109 --> 00:32:27.789 some more and I'll be back with Marcia right 00:32:27.789 --> 00:32:30.410 after this word from ICOM America right here 00:32:30.410 --> 00:32:35.990 on HamTalk Live. Wish it. Wrap it. Gift it. Step 00:32:35.990 --> 00:32:38.609 up your gift -giving game this year and get your 00:32:38.609 --> 00:32:41.049 favorite ham the transceiver at the top of their 00:32:41.049 --> 00:32:44.250 list. 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Oh, wait a minute. 00:35:57.539 --> 00:36:00.059 I should have said, I should have said figures. 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:08.079 Figures 8 1 2 6 3 8 4 2 6 1 or you can tweet 00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:11.019 us It's at ham talk live and if you're listening 00:36:11.019 --> 00:36:15.519 to us on WTWW or on the podcast edition You won't 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:18.599 be able to reach us because it's live on Thursday 00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:27.230 night. So Give us call 8 1 2 6 3 8 4 2 6 1 So 00:36:27.230 --> 00:36:31.789 we've got a tweet and a comment here on Spreaker. 00:36:32.170 --> 00:36:36.789 First of all, Jill KD8QGA is in the shack and 00:36:36.789 --> 00:36:40.329 yeah, she used to be a troop leader so she enjoyed 00:36:40.329 --> 00:36:43.170 the Girl Scout thing today and I'm just glad 00:36:43.170 --> 00:36:48.829 they have that patch. That was a good move. We 00:36:48.829 --> 00:36:52.650 also have a message here. We got another message. 00:36:52.710 --> 00:36:56.329 We've started something here, Marcia. We've got 00:36:56.329 --> 00:37:00.150 a message here that came in over the the Spreaker 00:37:00.150 --> 00:37:05.210 chat from Smokey McCray So and I'm I'm I'm gonna 00:37:05.210 --> 00:37:08.690 just read this like fast pace here We're not 00:37:08.690 --> 00:37:11.389 gonna we're not gonna copy it, but it's number 00:37:11.389 --> 00:37:16.530 357 Wow, that's That's a lot of messages. Number 00:37:16.530 --> 00:37:22.050 357 routine, HXC from N5 MKY with a check of 00:37:22.050 --> 00:37:25.250 25, Battle Creek, Michigan, November 7th, going 00:37:25.250 --> 00:37:30.130 to Marsha Ford, KW1U. Hello Marsha, X -Ray, good 00:37:30.130 --> 00:37:32.789 to hear you on HamTalk Live, X -Ray, good to 00:37:32.789 --> 00:37:36.730 hear you without QSN and QSB. See you on the 00:37:36.730 --> 00:37:45.199 EAN Smoky N5 MKY. All right, well smokey's listening 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:49.119 let's say hello because I've heard smoky on Eastern 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:53.179 area 90 checks in when I'm net control So I thought 00:37:53.179 --> 00:37:55.480 we's good to have him there and I thank him for 00:37:55.480 --> 00:38:01.400 the radiogram And you can send him an HXC saying 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:05.099 it was delivered Okay, we'll do that. Hang here. 00:38:05.099 --> 00:38:08.460 Let me type that delivered. There we go. Okay 00:38:08.460 --> 00:38:11.639 got it All right. So we've, we've, we've delivered 00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:16.219 our message. So that's what, what it's about. 00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:18.360 And I'm, I'm glad we're kind of having some fun 00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:21.480 with this tonight because it can be, it can be 00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:24.460 a fun thing. It, it's just, uh, it's something 00:38:24.460 --> 00:38:26.280 that you gotta learn and you gotta learn, you 00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:28.559 know, where the X -ray is and where the breaks 00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:32.300 are. And, you know, and all those little things, 00:38:32.460 --> 00:38:34.579 but you know, people can kind of help you through 00:38:34.579 --> 00:38:38.800 that. Um, and. kind of you know like anything 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:42.139 else it takes some practice it takes some some 00:38:42.139 --> 00:38:44.900 teaching and learning and and hopefully we've 00:38:44.900 --> 00:38:49.059 got some people started on that tonight oh i 00:38:49.059 --> 00:38:51.239 hope so i say i've done it for a lot of years 00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:55.679 now it's been a lot of fun uh we have our section 00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:58.599 nets and our local nets where we do the training 00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:01.480 that's what they're there for is to help people 00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:05.449 to to learn and to be able to practice so that 00:39:05.449 --> 00:39:09.570 they feel comfortable doing it. Okay that number 00:39:09.570 --> 00:39:15.510 again 812 -638 -4261. If you have a question 00:39:15.510 --> 00:39:18.510 about traffic handling give us a call or give 00:39:18.510 --> 00:39:21.829 us a tweet or if you're on Spreaker you can type 00:39:21.829 --> 00:39:24.909 something in the chat there. Now let's talk about 00:39:24.909 --> 00:39:27.429 some of these training nets and nets that are 00:39:27.429 --> 00:39:29.889 passing these. We talked about all the ones you're 00:39:29.889 --> 00:39:33.480 on on Thursday night. So explain what the difference 00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:36.280 is between like a local net and a region net 00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:40.980 and a district net, an area net. How do all those 00:39:40.980 --> 00:39:47.219 work and interface with each other? Well, the 00:39:47.219 --> 00:39:49.559 national traffic system, which was developed 00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:54.340 after World War II by George Hart, W -1 and J 00:39:54.340 --> 00:40:03.179 -M devised a layer network in a layer of nets 00:40:03.179 --> 00:40:09.260 and also in a sequence of nets. We start with 00:40:09.260 --> 00:40:13.460 the lower layer of the local net. These are small 00:40:13.460 --> 00:40:17.739 area nets. They might be on a local repeater. 00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:23.099 Then we have section nets. We have a section 00:40:23.099 --> 00:40:26.420 -wide net. In many sections, it covers a whole 00:40:26.420 --> 00:40:30.880 state. And these are also for training nets, 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:36.820 these are on HF. And then in order to get traffic 00:40:36.820 --> 00:40:40.099 moved out of your local area, you need to have 00:40:40.099 --> 00:40:43.440 liaisons to the next higher level, which is a 00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:46.860 wider geographic area, where we go into the region 00:40:46.860 --> 00:40:50.500 net. In my case, we go into one RN. You're in 00:40:50.500 --> 00:40:55.940 Indiana, I believe you're in nine RN. And then 00:40:55.940 --> 00:41:02.000 from the region area, For example, our region 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:06.420 covers all of New England, the six states of 00:41:06.420 --> 00:41:11.019 New England. Then we have second region, third 00:41:11.019 --> 00:41:14.920 region, fourth, and so forth. Then we go to the 00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:20.710 next level, wider area. We have the area nets, 00:41:21.250 --> 00:41:23.849 and there are three of these area nets across 00:41:23.849 --> 00:41:26.550 the country, one in eastern, one in the central 00:41:26.550 --> 00:41:28.530 part of the country, and one in the western part 00:41:28.530 --> 00:41:31.849 of the country. And depending upon where your 00:41:31.849 --> 00:41:34.389 message is going, it would go up from one level 00:41:34.389 --> 00:41:37.130 to the next, and it can get off at any point. 00:41:38.190 --> 00:41:40.650 And then it gets up to the eastern area net. 00:41:40.650 --> 00:41:44.730 If it's going beyond the area net, that's where 00:41:44.730 --> 00:41:48.130 you have your transcontinental core. This is 00:41:48.130 --> 00:41:51.889 not a net, but it's a group of individual hams 00:41:51.889 --> 00:41:55.530 who have a director and they keep one -on -one 00:41:55.530 --> 00:41:59.030 schedules with other people from other areas. 00:41:59.289 --> 00:42:01.869 Or in some cases, like from Eastern to Central, 00:42:01.989 --> 00:42:04.809 we actually go from Eastern area net right into 00:42:04.809 --> 00:42:07.369 Central area net. But it's a way of getting traffic 00:42:07.369 --> 00:42:10.289 moved across the country. And when I speak a 00:42:10.289 --> 00:42:14.369 sequence, we have a section level net in the 00:42:14.369 --> 00:42:17.090 evening. It starts at seven o 'clock. goes to 00:42:17.090 --> 00:42:20.789 the region at 745 and then to the eastern area 00:42:20.789 --> 00:42:25.869 net at 830. And then traffic comes back down, 00:42:26.010 --> 00:42:28.449 anything coming back to 1RN is going to come 00:42:28.449 --> 00:42:30.809 to the first region net and then it's going to 00:42:30.809 --> 00:42:33.730 come down to the section level net where it will 00:42:33.730 --> 00:42:38.809 be set out for delivery. So it's just a very 00:42:38.809 --> 00:42:41.969 effective network for getting traffic moved from 00:42:41.969 --> 00:42:47.489 anywhere in the country. So if you want to get 00:42:47.489 --> 00:42:51.230 on and send a message to somebody you can jump 00:42:51.230 --> 00:42:56.369 in where You can get on your local net you can 00:42:56.369 --> 00:43:01.050 get on your section that You can't even go to 00:43:01.050 --> 00:43:05.610 into the region that although As you get up to 00:43:05.610 --> 00:43:07.510 the different level of nets, they get a little 00:43:07.510 --> 00:43:10.550 faster They expect that you're more knowledgeable 00:43:10.550 --> 00:43:13.369 about traffic net. So especially if you get to 00:43:13.369 --> 00:43:16.880 the area net They expect you to have some experience 00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:20.019 and know what you're doing. But anyway, any of 00:43:20.019 --> 00:43:22.940 your local nets, section nets, it's a good place 00:43:22.940 --> 00:43:27.519 to start. All right. We'll check out your local 00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:32.599 net. Go ahead. Each net should be having a liaison 00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:35.019 station that's going to go up. Take that traffic 00:43:35.019 --> 00:43:41.119 up to the next level net. So so check out the 00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:43.780 the net directory you can you can check that 00:43:43.780 --> 00:43:48.099 out on on the ARL org website and you can find 00:43:48.099 --> 00:43:51.719 where those nets are and and if you have a local 00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:54.579 net that handles traffic then you can you can 00:43:54.579 --> 00:43:58.300 just Send it there and it'll it'll go on up the 00:43:58.300 --> 00:44:00.519 line and and get to where it's supposed to go. 00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:06.070 So That's a good rundown of all the different 00:44:06.070 --> 00:44:11.070 nets and so that's somewhere to start so check 00:44:11.070 --> 00:44:14.909 out your local net and And try it out sometime 00:44:14.909 --> 00:44:17.889 and then be that'd be good. Well, let's see if 00:44:17.889 --> 00:44:22.789 we have any more messages coming in or Any comments 00:44:22.789 --> 00:44:25.869 here before we close down because we are start 00:44:25.869 --> 00:44:30.690 to run out of time here And let me refresh here. 00:44:30.690 --> 00:44:35.510 Okay. Don't see anything over there And it looks 00:44:35.510 --> 00:44:38.070 like we're good there. So, okay. I'm very good. 00:44:38.170 --> 00:44:41.889 Well, I hope that that some people have gotten 00:44:41.889 --> 00:44:48.230 some experience here By listening to to us, you 00:44:48.230 --> 00:44:52.460 know past one of these and all the rundown of 00:44:52.460 --> 00:44:56.000 all those boxes at the top and how to do that 00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:59.300 and and one thing I didn't put in the script 00:44:59.300 --> 00:45:01.719 and and we we don't have to get into this a whole 00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:05.460 lot, but If you get into this more there are 00:45:05.460 --> 00:45:09.099 some standard messages So that you don't have 00:45:09.099 --> 00:45:13.340 to write all of that stuff out. So if you want 00:45:13.340 --> 00:45:19.019 to say happy birthday I think is that arl 42 00:45:19.019 --> 00:45:24.179 46 Forty -six. Okay. So there are these standard 00:45:24.179 --> 00:45:28.420 numbered radiograms that have standard messages 00:45:28.420 --> 00:45:32.539 that you can throw into the message. So talk 00:45:32.539 --> 00:45:35.099 a little bit about that and how those are in 00:45:35.099 --> 00:45:39.940 the check. How do you handle those? All right. 00:45:40.019 --> 00:45:44.760 There is a listing of what we call ARRL numbered 00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:48.539 radiograms. You can find those also on the ARRL 00:45:48.539 --> 00:45:55.039 .org website. There's a number of them. Some 00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:57.599 of them are used more for emergency use and some 00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:03.099 are for general use. What they do is to shorten 00:46:03.099 --> 00:46:11.099 the message ideally and it allows for faster 00:46:11.099 --> 00:46:17.219 transmission of a message. If you find one that's 00:46:17.219 --> 00:46:20.039 appropriate to use, by all means use it if you 00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:23.980 wish. However, when you do send a message with 00:46:23.980 --> 00:46:28.880 an ARL numbered radiogram in it, you're going 00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:33.159 to, in the check up at the top, under the count, 00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:36.039 it's going to be, if it's instead of a check 00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:42.920 of, say, 19, it would be a check of ARL19, ARL19. 00:46:43.530 --> 00:46:46.090 that indicates that there is one of these messages 00:46:46.090 --> 00:46:50.670 in the text. Now, in the text, you're going to 00:46:50.670 --> 00:46:56.269 spell it out. You're going to say A -R -L, letter 00:46:56.269 --> 00:47:01.409 group, A -R -L, 40, and you're going to spell 00:47:01.409 --> 00:47:06.849 40, Foxtrot, Oscar, Romeo, Tango, Yankee, six. 00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:11.679 I spell Sierra, India, x -ray. You're on HF especially. 00:47:11.739 --> 00:47:14.659 This is important because conditions can be pretty 00:47:14.659 --> 00:47:18.980 rough. But it's important to spell it out like 00:47:18.980 --> 00:47:24.699 that. And then some of them will have blanks 00:47:24.699 --> 00:47:28.099 that you fill in. And after you do your ARL and 00:47:28.099 --> 00:47:32.719 the number, you would fill in the blanks in the 00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:37.289 text. Obviously, when you're delivering a message, 00:47:37.449 --> 00:47:42.429 you're going to need to translate that to the 00:47:42.429 --> 00:47:44.090 recipient because they're not going to know what 00:47:44.090 --> 00:47:48.769 you're talking about. So you have to look those 00:47:48.769 --> 00:47:51.429 up and then you can read it. And so maybe it's, 00:47:53.010 --> 00:47:57.110 you know, trying to think of one of those has 00:47:57.110 --> 00:48:02.949 blank in it. Arrive safely at. Blank I think 00:48:02.949 --> 00:48:05.570 is maybe one of them something like that. It's 00:48:05.570 --> 00:48:08.690 probably one of them. Yeah, we see a lot of you 00:48:08.690 --> 00:48:12.449 see if you can't deliver a message You need to 00:48:12.449 --> 00:48:14.889 send the service message back letting the origin 00:48:14.889 --> 00:48:17.650 and know you were not able to deliver it and 00:48:17.650 --> 00:48:22.610 you can use what we call ARL 67 and That has 00:48:22.610 --> 00:48:25.170 blanks after it because you would identify the 00:48:25.170 --> 00:48:28.329 message. It would be the message number and it 00:48:28.329 --> 00:48:31.389 might be the call sign of the recipient or the 00:48:31.389 --> 00:48:33.210 last name of the recipient or something like 00:48:33.210 --> 00:48:38.010 that. And then you would give a brief explanation 00:48:38.010 --> 00:48:40.469 why. Those are the blanks that you'd be filling 00:48:40.469 --> 00:48:48.590 out in that. For example, no answer to phone 00:48:48.590 --> 00:48:54.369 after three days or number is disconnected or 00:48:54.369 --> 00:48:57.849 something like that. So that's one with a blank. 00:48:58.820 --> 00:49:03.519 Those are are great for you know standard things 00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:06.440 that you say over and over again it you can abbreviate 00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:09.599 them with those and and somebody came up with 00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:13.039 a funny idea and and they came up with this parody 00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:17.460 of the AR RL number of radiograms and it was 00:49:17.460 --> 00:49:21.780 the RAA L number of radiograms and I always got 00:49:21.780 --> 00:49:24.159 a laugh out of them because it would be like 00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:31.199 happy birthday to you and yours So it'd be okay 00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:36.840 your entire family has the same birthday or There's 00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:42.599 a series of them one of them was I arrived safely, 00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:48.079 but my baggage is lost My baggage arrived safely, 00:49:48.460 --> 00:49:53.820 but I am lost and The plane arrived safely, but 00:49:53.820 --> 00:49:59.780 I and my baggage are lost So yeah, they had some 00:49:59.780 --> 00:50:06.840 pretty funny parodies of those numbers, but yeah, 00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:11.980 the numbers help shorten the message. It's kind 00:50:11.980 --> 00:50:14.840 of like, you know, those tiny URLs, if you're 00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:17.300 familiar with those, that you've got this great 00:50:17.300 --> 00:50:20.159 big long web address, but then if you do the 00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:26.670 little tiny URL, it shortens it. Well, we are 00:50:26.670 --> 00:50:29.110 out of time, Marcia, but thank you so much for 00:50:29.110 --> 00:50:33.030 coming on and teaching us about message handling 00:50:33.030 --> 00:50:37.190 and telling us about all these things. And I 00:50:37.190 --> 00:50:40.329 appreciate you taking time out and, like I said, 00:50:40.550 --> 00:50:44.389 getting coverage on your nets to be here tonight. 00:50:44.489 --> 00:50:48.030 So thank you very much. Well, thank you, Neil, 00:50:48.170 --> 00:50:54.000 for inviting me. It's been a pleasure. we get 00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:58.219 some new hams new traffic cameras out of it all 00:50:58.219 --> 00:51:01.900 right well that is a wrap for this week's edition 00:51:01.900 --> 00:51:04.880 of ham talk live thanks to my guest marcia ford 00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:08.840 kw1u and everyone out there in cyberspace for 00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:12.519 listening and typing in and invite you back next 00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:16.440 thursday night at 9 p .m eastern time when becky 00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:20.719 schoenfeld w1bxy will be here to talk about what 00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:25.579 goes into making Qst magazine and also the new 00:51:25.579 --> 00:51:28.980 on the air magazine that's coming out soon For 00:51:28.980 --> 00:51:31.559 a list of all of our upcoming guests visit ham 00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:36.300 talk live comm and and one last thing if you 00:51:36.300 --> 00:51:40.340 Are around next week and are watching ham nation. 00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:42.340 We've got a big announcement coming from youth 00:51:42.340 --> 00:51:46.760 on the air camp So so tune in and and I think 00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:50.639 you're gonna really like it. 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